WEBVTT - Graham Norton: Britain's King of Late-Night 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:09.640 Hi, Brian, Hi Katie So, Dame Judy Dench, Sir Elton 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.520 John and a talk show host walk into a studio 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.480 and sit down over drinks. It sounds like a setup 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.440 to a joke, doesn't it. But it's actually a typical 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:22.320 episode of The Graham Norton Show, the wildly popular British 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.680 comedy chat show. But if anyone is listening in the UK, 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:29.400 of course you know that our guest today is Graham 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.800 Norton himself and I am really tickled pink about this. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.640 Me too, but maybe I'm not pink anyway. Listeners, remember 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.920 how we mentioned the last episode that we had something 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.400 special in store for you, Well here is a big 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:46.080 surprise everyone. We're coming to you today from London. That's right. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.360 The pod took us across the pond. All we had 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:56.040 to do was at an end. The fine folks over 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.320 at the British Broadcasting Corporation invited us to record some 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.480 podcast episodes on their home turf and they didn't have 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.920 to ask us twice. We're very excited to be here. This, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.120 by the way, won't be our only episode out of 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.680 London in collaboration with the BBC, so be sure to 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.280 stay tuned in the month ahead. Now, listeners, we like 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.600 analytics as much as the next podcast, and so we 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.520 know that most of you are not British. Perhaps you're 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.800 not familiar with Graham Norton or his TV show. Don't worry, 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.759 We're here to help you get acquainted. So the first 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.480 thing you should know is that the format of the 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.800 Graham Norton Show is essentially an a list cocktail party. 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.640 On camera. He invites several celebrities to sit down side 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.160 by side to chat and drink with one another. And 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.920 they're not just there to promote their latest projects. They 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.160 tell stories, they do impressions, even party tricks, and they 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.440 feed on one another's energy. The result is a rollicking 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:49.240 good time. It's incredibly entertaining. But Graham is not just 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:53.080 funning games. He is also an acclaim novelist and advice 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.760 columnists for the Telegraph, something of a British icon. I 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.760 just say he's just a plain old British icon and 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.880 frankly a guy who knows how to have a good time. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.000 We began our conversation by asking him about the whole 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.640 spirit of the show and what it's designed to do. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.760 Graham Norton, we are so excited a to be in 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.760 London and be to be sitting here with you. Well 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.120 vice eversy. I live in London, but the sitting with 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.280 you is exciting. I'm sure it's equally exciting for him. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.079 So so I gosh, I have so many questions to 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.320 ask you, Graham, and I know Brian does as well. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.440 But you've been doing your what do they call it 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.200 a chat show? Over here across the pond? We call 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.920 it a chat show for a long time, but but 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.480 in its current incarnation for about eleven years? Is that right? 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.720 I don't even know, because I count from the beginning. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.920 I count from when we started the Channel four with 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.360 a show called so Graham Norton and that was twenty 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:52.440 years ago this year. So thank you and in various forms, 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:57.480 I've been doing a chat slash talk show for that long, um, 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.800 and I genuinely I still enjoy it. I didn't you know. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.400 It's sort of extraordinary that you know that you would 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.320 get a job and be doing the twenty years later 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.160 and going, hey, it's a great job. And you do 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.079 it once a week every Friday night. You tape on Thursdays. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.200 And I read that your goal is to make sure 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.360 everybody has a fantastic time. You're not there to poke 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.160 and prod people. That's our job, by the way here today, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.000 And I think that's that's the difference. That's the difference 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.880 I think between kind of a news agenda and entertainment agenda. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.320 I am not there to upset anybody. If people say 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.240 I don't want to talk about what, why would I care? 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.240 I don't care who you're dating. I don't, you know, 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.800 I don't If you're sick of talking about that film, 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:36.800 I'm not going to bring it up. You know, it's 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.840 not my job to upset you. And and also the 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.280 audience for our show don't want to see that. They 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.320 don't want to watch people be uncomfortable fort They just 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.680 want to relax and they wanted to be fun. They 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.720 want to watch some famous people on accouch having a 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.240 good time. And that's what we try to provide. And 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.000 you think this relax setting actually yields more from the guests, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.320 right that, like, if they're comfortable, they actually will say 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.280 more about their lives and their backgrounds and all the rest, 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.960 and the audience will really get to know them. Right, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.480 That's kind of what I think. I think people if 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.880 if they're on guard. You know, these people, they're not stupid. 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.040 They've been around the block. They've been if not, they've 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.000 been media trained. But they you know, they know what 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.000 they're doing. So they're not going to tell you anything. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.320 They don't want to tell you. You know, it's it's 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.520 like asking O J. Did you do it? You know 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:28.159 he's not. That's there's no point. So, uh, if you've 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.200 watched people on the show, if you see the things 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.800 that makes them laugh, or how they react to a 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.679 shocking story, how they react to an anecdote or something, 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.400 it oddly is more of an insight into who they 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.680 are and the sort of person they are than to 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.719 just have them sat and chair by themselves answer questions, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.200 you know, about their life or their career. You use 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.720 Ryan Gosline as an example, when he laughed uproariously at 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.160 some story that he heard on your show, and kind 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.799 of what that revealed about him, his sense of humor, 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.800 his kind of naturalness, sensibility, because how cute he is 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.240 that we noticed already that was that was on festival. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.600 But because they're because they because they share the couch 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.960 the guests, there's also really telling things about you know, 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.480 the ones who are interested in the other people on 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.039 the couch, the ones that listen. There are some guests 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:25.760 and they are nameless, Seriously, they'll remain names. And they'll 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.280 sit there and I'll go, what are they looking at? 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.920 What are they looking at? And then I follow their 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.000 gaze and they're looking at the monitor that's at the 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.360 front of the little set for waiting for their close up, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.279 waiting to see themselves. And I know that your idea 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.920 of a fantastic guest, and I would like to say, 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:49.280 just in advance, I would be a fantastic guest. This 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.600 is not my effort to book myself on your show, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.520 but I did read that you like when people ask 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.960 other guests questions, absolutely, and you don't mind if they 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.279 kind of take the microphone from you and asked the 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.159 guests a question. And best shows, the best shows are 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:04.800 the ones where I sit in my chair and the 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.640 couch takes on a life of its own and they're 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.599 just talking to each other. And that's those are the 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.479 nights that I enjoyed the most, and I think the 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:16.120 audience do too, because if there's something sort of almost 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.640 like I don't know, sort of privileged about peering into 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.920 this kind of celebrity dinner party that you would never 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.599 normally be invited to. That it's like that dinner party 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.880 where you, you know, who would you like to have 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.320 dinner with? Dead or alive? Your guests happened to be alive. Basically, 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.640 you're living that out almost every day, well every week, right, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:35.840 And some of them I wouldn't choose after dinner. But 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.960 but well, we're going to get to that in a moment. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:39.760 But actually I wanted to tell you both the funny 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.080 story to apropos of the asking a question. At one time, 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.200 I was on the Tonight Show when Jay Lenna was hosting, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.480 and I came out and then there was a second 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.279 guest and I don't even remember his name, but he 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.680 was a young kind of actor and he was quite nervous, 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:58.320 and his big thing is that he could cry on 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.440 que as out, crying on to and or whatever. So 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.120 I was sitting at, you know, next him. But at 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.239 the Tonight Show, you don't kind of continue to engage. 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.280 You just kind of laugh and chuckling. You're sort of 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.120 like a potty plant. But when he said this, I 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:16.320 was waiting for Jay to say, okay, cry and he 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.600 never did. And it was It took all the strength 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:24.160 I had to not say ask him to cry, because 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:25.800 why would why would you bring it up if you 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.560 weren't going to do I don't know. I think there 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.480 must have been a miscommunication in the pre interview. But anyway, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.800 so I I like asking questions. The guy who cries said, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.760 I'll do anything you want except cry, right, And I'm 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.200 just going to say that I can do it. But 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.520 you know, I was going to ask you about the chemistry, grant, 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.480 because your show, obviously with three people on the couch, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.840 so much of it depends on chemistry and how the 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:52.600 guests interact. Um has there ever been a moment where 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.240 the three I mean, it just did not seem to 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.040 gell at all. There are, oddly, there are some nights 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.280 when the guests are perfectly fine individually and the just 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.960 is zero chemistry. The funniest times is when that happens 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.920 is when they're all from the same movie. Sometimes we'll 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.960 have three or four people from the same movie and 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.840 you're watching them, think, Wow, that was a long shoot. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.080 None like this. No bonding at all went on here. 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.840 Clearly a lot of trailer time, separate trailer time went on. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:25.680 How do you what do you do in that situation? 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.600 How do you get it kind of cranking? You don't, 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.720 you don't. It's just not a very good show, really, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.079 that's you know, And that's that's the nice thing about 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.360 having these long runs. You know, you do a bad show, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.040 you go, we'll try about another one next week. We'll 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.960 do another one next one. How do you prepare? You know, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.480 we obviously read a lot of articles about you. I 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.680 know more about you than you probably know about you 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.040 at this point, Grant. But when you're doing a show 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.880 like that, do you read up on these folks or well, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.200 I'm sure it's the same when you did you know, 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.360 the morning shows and your talk show. You know, there's 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.160 a team, so people will do. They do all the research. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.000 They then write quite chunky boggs, I mean kind of 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.599 you know boggs, which I'll read. I read them on 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.080 a Tuesday night, and then we go in on a Wednesday, 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.400 and that's when we spend the day in the office 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:16.439 together and we kind of choreograph the interviews. So obviously 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.600 there's the core things we have to cover the product. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.120 So it's a film, a book, an album, whatever they have, 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.360 we've got to talk about those things. And we've got 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.199 to get all that right, and we've got to talk 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.319 about those things enough so that you know, the people 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.600 backstage are happy and the guests are happy, they handless. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.640 And then and then we try to find the other stories, 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:40.280 the funny stories and what you're looking for, our moments 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.679 where you can say, oh, you had a funny story 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.240 about your first pet, and then you have a funny 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.840 story about your first pet, and now we've got there's 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:55.720 a conversation going about animals or whatever, and those are 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.400 the kind of things we try to find. We then 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.599 kind of knit all that together in a sort of 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.200 a sc ripped and then we do this bizarre thing 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.079 and I don't quite know how we started doing it, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.239 but when we get into the studio on a Thursday, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.800 we do address rehearsal and the yeah and you know, 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.880 the researchers play the researchers play it again, and we 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.080 do it and they tell the stories and we do 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.760 all this and it gives you you kind of it's 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.720 only after that you kind of go, you know, what 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.800 they didn't talk for like twenty minutes, or that guest, 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.320 you know, it was ages before I got to them, 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.840 or there's too much of them at the beginning, or 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.320 that interview seemed to go on too long, and then 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.440 we have another meeting, we changed things around, and then 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.840 we do the show. But but, but I imagine it's 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.320 hard to replicate the real thing because you never know 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.120 they're going to say. Because sometimes the guests are so 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.600 much better than the researcher, right, we know. The bad 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.880 ones are when the researcher told Jill stories and they're 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.720 really funny, and then the actual person tells their own 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.400 stories and it's like, oh, that was it was funny 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.840 this afternoon. I was gonna ask you, sort of on 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.200 that note, what makes a great guest on your show? 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:03.800 And what do you think is the best show you've 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:09.160 ever had? Oh? Um, the show that kind of uh 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.760 we I suppose a lot of us we think we 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.760 like it was. It was a show we did with 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.680 some of the guys for Monument Men. So it was 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.720 Matt Damon, Bill Murray, and Hu Bonneville from Downton Abbey. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:22.880 I was just one. Matt Damon got a little bit 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.200 into the sauce. They all got quite into the sauce. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.600 So yeah, we didn't even mention that you get people 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:32.240 snuckered before they is that the word what's the British 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.320 word for drying? I think they're like twelve sauce a 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.560 drink is available, case it's available. But you always have 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.840 a little bit of Van Blanc, yes, because I gotta 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.920 think if I look, you know, if I look like 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.160 I'm having a nice time, then maybe someone else will. 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.400 You know. It's I ever get in the grip of 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:56.520 the grape. No, no, I mean I do not on television. Um, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.520 but the monument Men's Guys they came on and because 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.640 it was a really I can't remember, there was someone 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.400 else in that movie, and he canceled at the last minute. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.640 And then the studio was saying, were like, Bill Murray 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.440 might show up, but he might not. We don't know. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:11.719 It all depends on he is a nice time of 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.920 the premiere. They might he might join the others. So 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.320 you know, that idea of scripting it and rehearsing it, 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.160 of course, that was all out the window. We were 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.160 just you know, we had no idea what the show 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.400 was going to be until we found out who was 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.440 going to rock up. And so Bill Murray did rock up. 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.560 He was in a great mood and that was one 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.480 of those nights where I did nothing. I just watched 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.319 the couch. I watched the couch and wasn't Matt Damon 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.960 really good as well? Why were they were all terrific? 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.280 They just told their stories. They made each other. That 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.320 was lovely was they made each other laugh so much. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:48.320 They enjoyed each other. When you were going over the 0:12:48.360 --> 0:13:04.720 script and you're really Jumper is a sweater? I actually 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:12.120 asked it to where will will dumb her everything? I 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.440 take my woolet Jumper, So in this scene in the 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:17.920 hot tip, am I going to be in my wooley 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:24.320 j have any guests of this show? And I suppose 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.320 that is what makes a good on a bullet that 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:35.040 time point, I don't know. Katie expression on a bull 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.280 well be useful to the bull if they were nursing 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:42.400 a baby bull, although bulls they can. Yeah, that's it, boy, 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:52.120 I'll work with you later, Okay. And useless and privileged 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:53.640 at the same time, because you know I have the 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.559 best seat in the house. Can I ask you something? Well, 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.120 clearly I can. Everybody shares a couch on your show, 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:03.400 except Hillary Clinton, who came on last year. Did she 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.360 have like a lot of handlers making a lot of 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.960 demands or why did you decide to put her on alone? 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:13.000 Because the only little window of opportunity we had with 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.000 her was I think eleven o'clock in the morning, so 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:17.240 we kind of thought, we don't want to do a 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.080 whole show at eleven o'clock in the morning. So we 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.480 have done these one on ones and they we either 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:23.880 start the show with the one of when we did 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.040 a one woman with Charlie Sheen was in the middle 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.920 of the drug Yes it was. It was kind of 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:30.360 towards the end of that, but yes, it was a 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.920 long period and we just kind of, actually, that's a 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.880 lot to ask other people to actually, yeah, he's HIV positive, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.880 so that we're very serious and we wanted to talk 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.400 about stuff like that. So so we do occasionally do these, uh, 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.200 single interviews. So with the Hillary because we only had 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.480 the left frolock in the morning, so we get we 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.920 put out there saying, look, if anybody wants to come 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.520 and see an interview with Hillary Clinton at eleven o'clock 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.480 in the morning, feel free. So audience full, six hundred 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:01.840 people there, six d people. They show up. They did 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:07.120 not see until I think a quarter past four in 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:11.600 the after I read that what she heard her foot. No, 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.440 that's right, and she was in a cast, right, Yeah, 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.320 she had one of those boot things. Yeah. And it 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.080 was extraordinary because we didn't we literally did not know 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.120 what was going on. They didn't tell you anything. They 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.840 were telling us as much as they could, but they 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.400 didn't know how badly she had hurt her foot. She 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:27.640 didn't know what you know, what, was she going to 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:32.040 need surgery? Da dada? She did rock up and she 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.800 was you know, I think she was on pain medication 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.600 by the end of the That makes for an interesting interview. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.640 A little pain medication next with a little caepernet. No, no, no, no, 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.080 no booze. I think I did have to because otherwise 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:47.920 it would looked weird if I didn't have one. So 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.160 it was good. It was good for me that it 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.440 moved in the afternoon. So but but by the end 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.520 you could tell that the what was causing her pain 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.560 and she was uncomfortable. But but nice that she showed up. No, 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.800 nice that she showed up. And and it was one 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:05.160 of those weird things where the minute and elections over, 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.320 you suddenly see who they should have been all along. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.920 You know, her interview was so great. Why weren't you 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.680 like this? Why was it so great? Because she was 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.640 she was on guarded she wasn't trying to second guess everything. Well, 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.440 this was after the election of the inauguration, so she 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.440 could let her hair down, and she'd written a book 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.520 where she'd kind of put it all in there. And 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.400 the book. Have you read the book? I haven't read. 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:33.760 I want to read it. It's on my list. It 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.400 is good. And what isn't it interesting? The things she 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.160 can't let go of? These we well know, but like 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.640 but weird. There's like an interview where they didn't ask 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.360 her enough questions about foreign policy and stuff, and you're like, 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.040 I think I know what interviews she's talking. Yes, yeah, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:55.240 it was on the Intrepid. So you enjoyed her a lot. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.600 She was funny and she also talked about the inauguration. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.240 We have a clip from that interview. Let's take a listen. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.760 I mean, it's it's weak Shakespearean right. You went to 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.160 the in racial and that was because you were first lady, 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.680 not because you're being right. And and you know, I 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.879 really tried to get out of going. Um, I you know, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.439 because I was going, not as the candidate or the 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.520 opponent but as a former first lady, because the tradition 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.280 is presidents and former first ladies all show up, regardless 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.760 of Republican or Democrat, to show support continuity of our government. So, 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.000 oh my gosh, I didn't know what to expect. What 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.879 I wanted to have happened was despite the kind of 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.720 campaign he ran, I wanted him to rise to the 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.680 occasion of being our president and being the president for everybody, 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:48.920 not just people who supported him. That didn't happen. And 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.679 so we were we were sitting there listening. I was 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.040 sitting next to George W. Bush and Bill was on 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.240 my other side, and we were listening to this really dark, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.520 divisive speech that I just scribe as a cry from 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:06.320 the white nationalist gut um. It wasn't an outreach. It 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.239 was a narrowing and a hammering of what he had 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.480 said before. And it's reported, so I put it in 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:16.360 the book. It's reported that George W. Bush, as it ends, 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:24.960 says that was some weird ship. She's so likable. It's 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.600 so funny to hear her just say that, right, because 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.440 it's just you just feel like if that woman had campaigned, 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.920 she had done a lot better. Maybe, although she would 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.080 have offended a bunch of people. She'd have gotten a 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.840 denial from George W. Bush if that had happened before. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.399 I mean careful, but but but I think she was 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.120 too cautious and too careful. If she had let her 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.960 personality show in this warm, funny side of her, I 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.359 think it would have made a big difference. And it 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:58.640 was something I don't know whether it's about. Because she 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.960 was a woman, she felt she had to be better 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.080 and try harder, but she was. But she was all 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.040 about doing her homework. She was all about I'm prepared, 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.440 and I say, you are up against this guy who 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:12.600 you know, Like I said, she was worried about her 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.960 foreign policy. That guy couldn't point out American CDs on 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.719 a map, and nobody cared. She always, I think, seemed 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.800 like the prepared girl in the front of the class, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:26.320 always with her hand up in the A yes's exactly 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.840 Tracy Flick. But you know, I have to just say 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.600 that watching that inauguration, you had to admire how stoic 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:38.399 and poise she was because it must have really driven 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.400 her crazy. And you know what she would have said 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.359 about that, I'm always liked best when I'm a victim. 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.280 She's made this point several times. Because she was, you know, 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.239 hurt and defeated, people are more sympathetic the same thing 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.000 to happen when her husband cheated on her with Monica Lewinsky. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.399 And I think that is very gendered. Actually there's something 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.200 you know, because people though, oh, I you know, I 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.679 hate her some because when we announced she was going 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.720 to be on, you actually saw it was weird. I've 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:08.040 never encountered Russian bots before, but suddenly, well yeah, because 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.800 I thought that's so weird. And sure enough, even when 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.280 the show went out, when it was going out in 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:17.159 real time, um, the feed was really positive. It was 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.080 real viewers in Britain watching an interview with Hillary, and 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.880 once the morning came and they were up in Russia 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.080 and they had time, they want, Oh that happened, we 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.439 better get in there. Suddenly you all this negativity, but 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.680 at a random time when the show wasn't on anywhere. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:39.520 The show, yeah it was, it wasn't interesting. But also 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:41.800 I do think you know, the way that people hate her, 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.960 You I think fair enough hate a politician, you know, 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.040 be feel free to head a politician. But to those people, 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.720 you've gotta think, is there a male politician you hate 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:52.919 as much as you hate her, and I think the 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:56.480 answer is no, And therefore that has to be something 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:58.360 to do with gender. Well, do you think that Margaret 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.879 Thatcher faced some of the same problems that Hillary Clinton faced. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:08.080 I'm sort of too young to really well. Actually, well, 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.600 let's say other female politicians, even Theresa May. I mean 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.600 Theresa A definitely, I think she does. Is it a 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:18.840