WEBVTT - WSOP Kickoff, Crypto ETFs, and Airfare Refunds

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hey everyone, welcome back to Risky Business, a show

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<v Speaker 1>about making better decisions. I'm Maria Kanikova and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nate Silver. Today we have a lot to get into.

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<v Speaker 2>We are literally hours away and across the street from

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<v Speaker 2>the World Chairs of Poker.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll also be talking about some huge news in the cryptosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>The approval of the eth ETFs and crypto is something

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<v Speaker 1>that is very firmly in the realm of Risky Business,

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<v Speaker 1>even though we haven't talked about it yet on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally, inspired by an unexpected detour, I took to Buffalo,

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<v Speaker 2>New York on the way into Las Vegas. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about new rules by the Department of Presportation governing compensation

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<v Speaker 2>ref your flight is late and how that might affect

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<v Speaker 2>the risk taking behavior of both passengers and airlines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm looking forward to that one night, because my

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<v Speaker 1>flight was also very very late.

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<v Speaker 3>You did not end up in Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not end up in Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 3>Name and Buffalo, Maria.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Okay, Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 1>You win this one, and I look forward to getting

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<v Speaker 1>into it. At the end of the show. Let's begin, though,

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that we both got here So we

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<v Speaker 1>are both in fabulous Las Vegas for the opening of

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series of Poker, and we are taping this

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday, May twenty eighth, which is literally the opening

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<v Speaker 1>day of the World Series, and you and I will

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<v Speaker 1>both be playing the first opening event, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars players Championship, which is exciting and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited. Are you excited?

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<v Speaker 2>Night, Yeah, I've never actually been here for the exact

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<v Speaker 2>start of the World Series before. It's it's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>better than the end, right we were there till the

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<v Speaker 2>bitter end last year. The end is kind of depressing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like literally tearing the building down. The beginning, everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>bank rolls are full, everybody he's in a good mood.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a new event this year to start out

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<v Speaker 2>with a five K. Usually it's something smaller. I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>curious to see what type of field it draws. Usually

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<v Speaker 2>five K is like high enough that the amateur players

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<v Speaker 2>are a little bit just waited by it. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>the first time bank rolls, it's the first event. I

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<v Speaker 2>think some of the pros from Europe are taking their

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<v Speaker 2>time and getting here, so it might be a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good field.

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<v Speaker 3>We will see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So for anyone who wants to join us this summer,

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<v Speaker 1>or anyone who is just thinking about doing the World

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<v Speaker 1>Series or something that is kind of this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>marathon experience where you have to keep making good, risky

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<v Speaker 1>decisions over and over and over. It doesn't even have

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<v Speaker 1>to be poker. Nate and I have both come up

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<v Speaker 1>with our top three tips for dealing with a situation

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<v Speaker 1>like this, and we're going to be talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>in the context of the World Series, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to always keep in mind that it can be

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<v Speaker 1>abstracted to other decision making situations. And we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>each other's top tips. So I'm going to start, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're going to go one at a time

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<v Speaker 1>and throw out one tip and these are actually in

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<v Speaker 1>our order of importance, and react and see whether we're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this in the same way or in very

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<v Speaker 1>different ways. It would be very fun either way. And

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, we have no idea what the other

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<v Speaker 1>person is going to say, although I have more idea

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<v Speaker 1>than Nate, because Nate did have a list of his

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<v Speaker 1>top twenty one tips for the World Series on his newsletter,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's that. But he's seen nothing from me, But

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<v Speaker 1>actually I wrote a book about it, so maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>has some idea too. All Right, my top tip would

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<v Speaker 1>be number one, take care of yourself. People are here

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<v Speaker 1>to play poker and they get super excited. I'm really excited,

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<v Speaker 1>and they forget the basics like get exercise, get sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>and eat good food and buy good food. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean like food that you're going to be like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is delicious. I mean actually nourishing food that's good

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<v Speaker 1>for your brain, good for you decision making, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of science on this. All of these things

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<v Speaker 1>matter when you're trying to make good decisions. If you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't slept well, your decision making capacity is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go downhill. If you've been inside all day, if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been moving, if you haven't exercised, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>gotten that blood flow going, your decision making capacity is

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<v Speaker 1>going to go downhill. If you're eating crap, your decision

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<v Speaker 1>making capacity once again is going to go downhill. There's

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<v Speaker 1>even a funny study, it's one of my kind of

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<v Speaker 1>pet favorite psych studies because it's so ridiculous, that shows

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<v Speaker 1>that your risk taking propensities become less than optimal when

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<v Speaker 1>you have to go to the bathroom if you have

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<v Speaker 1>to pee, you actually start evaluating risks incorrectly. Mind and

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<v Speaker 1>body are intimately connected. Decision making ability is intimately related

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<v Speaker 1>to how we're physically feeling. And so I want to

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<v Speaker 1>urge people to not forget about that. You just want

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<v Speaker 1>to go out, you want to play everything, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>will not be going out for drinks. I'm sorry, Please

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<v Speaker 1>do not take this person after an event. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be going straight to bed because I think that

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<v Speaker 1>these things are incredibly important. So, Nate, what do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not promising that I won't get drinks after

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<v Speaker 2>an event sometimes here and there. But look, I played

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<v Speaker 2>some online events yesterday and what happened is because of

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<v Speaker 2>this flight thing we'll talk about later on right, my

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<v Speaker 2>schedule got very messed up over the weekend. Basically I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't like eaten very much, and I was playing some

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<v Speaker 2>online tournaments and was like fucking starving and like, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, hangar tilt.

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<v Speaker 1>Hangary is actually a thing and has been studied in psychology.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even like irrational. It's like, I really need

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<v Speaker 2>some fucking food. I want to double up or go

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<v Speaker 2>home because I didn't really manage my eating schedule properly. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Look, it's a seven week event. If you're here

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<v Speaker 2>for four days or a week or something, you maybe

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<v Speaker 2>can like burn the candle at both ends a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more.

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<v Speaker 3>But remember the most.

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<v Speaker 2>High stakes decisions that you make are later on in

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<v Speaker 2>an event. You can play a beautiful poker on day one,

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<v Speaker 2>day two. If you make your goal, I'll make you

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<v Speaker 2>to day three or something. And then you start to

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<v Speaker 2>get hanger tilt or or exhaustion tilt or whatever else,

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<v Speaker 2>then then it's really negative ev right, even if you're

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<v Speaker 2>like plus if to make the money. If you if

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<v Speaker 2>you blow it and I've seen so many guys blow

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<v Speaker 2>it on day three, day four of events, then you're flushing.

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<v Speaker 3>Your money down the toilet. So yeah, look, I'm not judgmental.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're somebody who has a routine that involves different things,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's fine. If you eat more calories or less,

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<v Speaker 2>or you drink or you don't or whatever, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>here to I'm not here to judge. But it requires

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time and concentration, and that has cumulative

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<v Speaker 2>effects with the course of the event. So every decision

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<v Speaker 2>you make away from the table effects in some way,

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<v Speaker 2>you're your decision.

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<v Speaker 3>At the table.

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds n like you agree with my number

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<v Speaker 1>one tip.

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<v Speaker 2>You have you since I have so many good tips

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I have twenty one and I can't. They're

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<v Speaker 2>like my babies, you can't, but have you read they're

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<v Speaker 2>equally good. And one of the important things in poker

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<v Speaker 2>is you have to sometimes randomize when you're indifferent between

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<v Speaker 2>good options. So I'm going to have you randomly pick

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<v Speaker 2>between one and twenty one. If it's like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the worst tier of the twenty one, then I'll veto it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a number from one to twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I actually have no idea what number any

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<v Speaker 1>of your tips are because I read that when it

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<v Speaker 1>came out, which was now a few weeks ago. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go with number six.

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<v Speaker 2>Six six is like that's a logistics thing for how

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<v Speaker 2>you get your money to the world series.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be a different one, come.

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<v Speaker 1>On, all right, So sometimes, oh, this is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>really really good point. When you truly randomize at the

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<v Speaker 1>poker table, you have to do what your randomization tells you. So,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, randomization at the poker table means if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a decision that you take X percent of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>say twenty percent of the time, and one that you

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<v Speaker 1>take eighty percent of the time. You can actually randomize

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<v Speaker 1>and say, okay, if I have a number, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from zero to one hundred, if it's below twenty, then

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<v Speaker 1>I take the twenty percent decision, and if it's above twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>I take the eighty percent decision. But if you roll fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do that. And sometimes you're like, you know, what,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck you randomize are? I'm just going to do what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do. I call, or I raise, or

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<v Speaker 1>I do this. That's not why you randomize, So Nate,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're truly randomizing, this is not why you randomize.

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<v Speaker 1>If you truly think that every single one of your

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<v Speaker 1>tips is equally valid, then your number one tip is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be about how to register.

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<v Speaker 3>Furtherwise, I'm sorry, I told you that in advance. I

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<v Speaker 3>was part of the strategy. This is my one veto.

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<v Speaker 4>PI.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fine, this is your one veto. I just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going on records saying that I objecked all right. Tip

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<v Speaker 1>number thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a good one. Expect to come home with

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<v Speaker 2>less money than you started with. I was talking with

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<v Speaker 2>one of our mutual friends a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't name him because it was a dinner conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you were there, I forget, right, So is someone

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<v Speaker 2>who'll be regarded as one of the probably top ten

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<v Speaker 2>poker players, turn the poker players of all time, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, yeah, I had a losing summer. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's usually how it works if you run the math.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is for a player who's playing lots of events,

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<v Speaker 2>almost all the events varius till the misk events too.

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<v Speaker 2>But even if you're a player with a large edge,

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<v Speaker 2>having say fifty entries over a six week tournament or

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<v Speaker 2>seven week tournament, the mess says that, like, because so

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<v Speaker 2>much of the money is constentrat in getting final tables

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<v Speaker 2>in first place, you're probably going to lose money of

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<v Speaker 2>the course of a series. And if you're coming in

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<v Speaker 2>for three weeks like I am, over two stretches this

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<v Speaker 2>year even more likely. In fact, according to some simulations

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<v Speaker 2>I've ran from my book, over a full year two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred entries in live poker tournaments, a winning player is

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<v Speaker 2>still almost fifty fifty to.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a losing year.

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<v Speaker 2>So coming in looking at the opportunity. If I may

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<v Speaker 2>do great, it may go well, but like it's often

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<v Speaker 2>going to be twelve bullets as a term poker players

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<v Speaker 2>use slightly violent term for an entry new tournament, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be twelve, fifteen, seventeen bullets no cashes. It

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<v Speaker 2>might be twenty three bullets, two minimum cashes. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>poker works. That's a lot of time, but most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Frankly, I think that's actually a really good tip, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's a really important tip for life

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<v Speaker 1>that in when you do something where you take risks,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to think and plan accordingly and realize that

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<v Speaker 1>it might go not your way. And so I'm actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to fast forward to my tip number three because

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<v Speaker 1>it's very related to this, and then we can go

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<v Speaker 1>back to tip number two, which is keeping your bank

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<v Speaker 1>roll management strict. So what I mean by that is

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<v Speaker 1>when you come out here, or when you're making any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of decision when you're going to be spending money,

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<v Speaker 1>plan out ahead of time your entire bank roll and

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<v Speaker 1>stick to it. So my first ever summer out here

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<v Speaker 1>in Vegas for the World Series, I didn't do that

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, I was bright eyed and bushy tailed.

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<v Speaker 1>I was researching my book and I got caught up

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<v Speaker 1>in it. There's this event called the Colossus, or as

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<v Speaker 1>I like to call it, not affectionately after that summer,

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<v Speaker 1>the colass Hole, because it has a million possible re

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<v Speaker 1>entries and it's a very low price point. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was like five hundred or six hundred dollars, which

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<v Speaker 1>for the World Series that's kind of as about about

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<v Speaker 1>as low as it gets. But you can enter it

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<v Speaker 1>ten times or twelve times, I don't even remember. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember playing and busting and playing and busting, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think I only had two bullets budgeted for this event.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kept going because everyone around me was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this event is such great value. You really have to

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<v Speaker 1>re enter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, yeah, you're right, it's great value.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to re enter. And do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I was the great value. I didn't know what I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing that summer. I did not play well like

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<v Speaker 1>I had just kind of I was just learning the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I went way over my head. They correctly got me

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<v Speaker 1>to re enter, and then they took my money again

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<v Speaker 1>and again, and that was a really expensive and really

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<v Speaker 1>important lesson for me that when you're emotional, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in the heat of the moment, it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>to get caught up and say, what's an extra five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks when I've already budgeted ten thousand. No, your

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<v Speaker 1>budget has to be strict, your bankroll has to be strict.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is true of any risky decision that you take,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're a trader or whether you know it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really matter. Otherwise you're going to go broke and that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a fun feeling. I think this is actually quite

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<v Speaker 1>related to your tip number one.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, it does depend kind of whether you

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<v Speaker 2>see yourself as a professional or an amateur, and we

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<v Speaker 2>probably do have some people in that audience are here

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<v Speaker 2>as recreational players. It's a little bit different. I still

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<v Speaker 2>don't like to play any event where I think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>negative EV negative expected value, or if I do, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to play the cheaper events, right, I will enter

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<v Speaker 2>some mixed game event for ver, say fifteen hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe I'm negative ten percent ROI I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to enter some ten thousand dollars tournament return on investment, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And this is disputed kind of how much money an

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<v Speaker 2>ROI is for a good or decent player, but plausibly,

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<v Speaker 2>if you enter, like say a one thousand dollars event

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<v Speaker 2>with a very soft field, your expected value in that

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<v Speaker 2>event might be a few hundred bucks. I think some

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<v Speaker 2>people is optimistic, but I think for like, for like

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<v Speaker 2>good tournament pros and even good amateurs, those fields are

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<v Speaker 2>so soft where your ev expected value might be three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars for one thousand dollars entry. But if it's

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<v Speaker 2>below zero, if if you play the tournament a million times,

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<v Speaker 2>I lose money on average. You know, even if I

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<v Speaker 2>can afford to take that loss, I just psychologically something

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<v Speaker 2>about that feels like it's burning money. Unless it's a

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<v Speaker 2>game I'm trying to learn more, when it's an investment

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<v Speaker 2>in the long term.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a I think that's a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>So Nate, I'm gonna do play the lottery again. Write

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<v Speaker 1>one to twenty one. Let's go with twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>So your skill set is worth thinking about early in

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<v Speaker 2>the main event, but don't get carried away in another setting.

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<v Speaker 2>So this means, let's say you come in, and let's

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<v Speaker 2>say we come in and we find the field of

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<v Speaker 2>our dreams, right, it's all recreational players. Some of the

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<v Speaker 2>pros aren't here yet. It's a very soft tournament. People

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<v Speaker 2>can I think go too far sometimes in saying well,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a skill edge relter to the field. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact is that if you have, for example, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to get a fifty five forty five coin flip

0:14:06.044 --> 0:14:09.044
<v Speaker 2>so called situation, so you win fifty five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>your flips, that's actually very very very good. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>a professional gambler, a sports better who won fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>percent of his or her bets consistently would beat the

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<v Speaker 2>books and be on their way to being a very

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<v Speaker 2>successful person at their craft. Now, if you're playing the

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<v Speaker 2>main event, which will happen in seven weeks time, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have more segments on it. That's the one exception that's

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<v Speaker 2>where you only at one entry. It's a ten thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars entry. So it's like there's not like some alternative

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<v Speaker 2>way to spend your time and your money that's equally good.

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<v Speaker 2>And the field is so soft re alter to the

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<v Speaker 2>buying level that I think you actually might want to

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<v Speaker 2>be like a little bit more risk averse on day

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<v Speaker 2>one and day two. But generally speaking, gambling is about

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<v Speaker 2>pushing small edges. Don't underestimate your opponents either, even though

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<v Speaker 2>there are more weak opponents at the World Series in

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<v Speaker 2>the most venues. So it's like, yeah, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>take risks to win a poker tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>I got, I got nothing to add to that night.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have to take risk because a really

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<v Speaker 1>really good UH is a good summation of a something

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<v Speaker 1>that's super important and something that I need to learn

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<v Speaker 1>from because I am someone who has consistently struggled with

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<v Speaker 1>taking enough risks. That's counter to my personality. I'm more

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<v Speaker 1>of a risk averse person, and I've really really worked

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<v Speaker 1>hard to kind of work on that side, because you

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<v Speaker 1>do have to take the correct risks based on the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>based on the odds, based on the math and the percentages,

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<v Speaker 1>not based on how you're feeling, which actually goes to

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<v Speaker 1>my tip two. You know, going back in time since

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<v Speaker 1>we al recovered tip three, this is my final tip,

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<v Speaker 1>which is mental game and working on your mental game.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I mean by that is that when you're

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<v Speaker 1>playing poker, when you're in a decision making environment that's

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<v Speaker 1>extremely high stress and high pressure, and where you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get tired because even if you've gotten beautiful rest

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<v Speaker 1>and all of this, you're playing twelve thirteen hour days.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a really long time to be thinking hard

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<v Speaker 1>and making good decisions. You're going to get cognitively depleted.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to get emotional. There will be moments where

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<v Speaker 1>you get angry because someone pissed you off. There will

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<v Speaker 1>be moments when you are upset because you lost a

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<v Speaker 1>big hand. There's moments when you're going to be elated

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<v Speaker 1>because you won a big hand. And all of those

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<v Speaker 1>things are going to mean that you are tilting. Tilting

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<v Speaker 1>means putting emotion into your game instead of just doing

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<v Speaker 1>the logical rational decision. And my advice to you is

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<v Speaker 1>to sit down and figure out, okay, what makes you tilt,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you tilt, and then to respond accordingly in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment. I always say it's better to take a break,

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<v Speaker 1>to actually physically get up from the table, take a lap.

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<v Speaker 1>You might miss a hand, but you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>misplay that hand right, and it will help you cool off.

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<v Speaker 1>It will help you actually physically remove yourself from that situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever you need to do to detilt, be aware of

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<v Speaker 1>it and do it, and there's no shame in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone tilts. And this is something that distinguishes the truly

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<v Speaker 1>great players from the ones who are just mathematically very

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<v Speaker 1>good is their mental game, their ability to thrive under pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's my final tip, and I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very important one.

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<v Speaker 3>Maria, we're in the lightning around here. I need one

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<v Speaker 3>more number. Roll at Roulett Wheel. Let's let's hope for

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<v Speaker 3>a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's do number five.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, I'll spin this into something better than it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm bluffing a little bit here. It's poker after five

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<v Speaker 2>is as we are both doing, stay within walking distance

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<v Speaker 2>of the World Series of Poker. The broader lesson here

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<v Speaker 2>is that you really want to minimize distractions.

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<v Speaker 3>You do not want to have the worry.

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<v Speaker 2>About fighting through traffic or finding a parking space. The

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<v Speaker 2>hotels are actually quite nice here, as is Maria's apartment

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<v Speaker 2>by the way. But like once you get in deep

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<v Speaker 2>in an event, right, you were on the clock for

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<v Speaker 2>twelve hours a day. Let's say that you want to

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<v Speaker 2>sleep seven hours. Let's say you want to eat something

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning. Let's say you want to work out.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say you want to have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>study time right. You know, let's say you need an

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<v Speaker 2>hour to wind round and have a drink at you

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<v Speaker 2>in the evening, which you often do if if you've

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<v Speaker 2>had a long day, right all the sudden, you have

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<v Speaker 2>committed like twenty four twenty five hours already, so the

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<v Speaker 2>last thing you want to do is have to worry

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<v Speaker 2>about like a long commute to the cute air and

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<v Speaker 2>b you bought forty minutes out of town where you

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<v Speaker 2>can't find any grocery store it's open later, or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I've even had things where if I made

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<v Speaker 2>like day three of an event, I got a different

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<v Speaker 2>hotel room closer to that venue, because at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>even like an extra hour of sleep is worth an

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<v Speaker 2>awful lot.

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<v Speaker 4>Great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Nate, I hope that you are staying close to

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel this time, and I am so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>see you in a few hours and play our first

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<v Speaker 1>event together during this world series.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm already registered, Maria, so I did so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's do it, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Maria.

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<v Speaker 2>Last Thursday, the twenty third, the SEC approved an ETF

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<v Speaker 2>application for Ethereum. We have a variety of listeners who

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<v Speaker 2>are ranged from I'm sure very crypto knowledgeable to thinking

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<v Speaker 2>this is all Greek to them. Can you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>explain down the middle pathway or our media and listener

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<v Speaker 2>what happened and why this is significant.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, So. First of all, an ETF is an exchange

0:19:28.324 --> 0:19:32.084
<v Speaker 1>traded fund, so that means that it's a fund where

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<v Speaker 1>you pool securities and then you can trade that pool

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<v Speaker 1>of securities like stocks, and so what this means is

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, people can participate in that broad pool

0:19:42.524 --> 0:19:45.444
<v Speaker 1>of stocks without actually having to pick every single one themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a huge it's a big deal in the

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<v Speaker 1>financial markets. Last year there started to be rumblings that

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin and Ether, which are kind of the two biggest cryptocurrencies,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get ETFs of their own, and that

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<v Speaker 1>ended up happening this past January with Bitcoin, So that

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<v Speaker 1>was the first ETF that was actually approved in the

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<v Speaker 1>crypto space, which was absolutely just huge, huge news because suddenly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, mom and pop, Joe next door, people who

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know much about crypto might have been a

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<v Speaker 1>little too risk averse to kind of trade bitcoin or

0:20:23.244 --> 0:20:27.204
<v Speaker 1>buy bitcoin directly. Now in their retirement accounts and all

0:20:27.204 --> 0:20:30.044
<v Speaker 1>of these different things in their investments, they can actually

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<v Speaker 1>just get the ETF and they can feel like they're

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<v Speaker 1>participating in this cryptocurrency, in this movement by buying it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then everyone was really excited and was like, oh, wow,

0:20:40.484 --> 0:20:44.124
<v Speaker 1>are you going to approve ETH? And it seemed like

0:20:44.124 --> 0:20:46.004
<v Speaker 1>the answer was going to be no. And it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like the answer was going to be no for a

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<v Speaker 1>number of reasons, not least of all because the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>especially after what happened with Sam Bank, Womin Freed, and

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<v Speaker 1>that whole fiasco, have been very kind of crypto skeptical

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<v Speaker 1>and have really shied away from entering that world. In

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<v Speaker 1>the SEC has not been very friendly to the crypto space.

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<v Speaker 1>So people thought that the chances of approval for ETH

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be incredibly low, and then last week

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<v Speaker 1>that changed. On Thursday, the approval actually went through. We

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<v Speaker 1>went from basically, this ain't happening to holy shit, it

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<v Speaker 1>just happened in four days. And so maybe we just

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<v Speaker 1>jump ahead and talk a little bit about the significance

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<v Speaker 1>of the approval in broader political context, because obviously, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just kind of nod to the fact that there's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously financial it's very important for the financial markets, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about that, but now I think the crucial

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<v Speaker 1>question is why now, right, why did we go from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five percent to seventy five percent to boom where

0:21:55.284 --> 0:21:58.244
<v Speaker 1>people who really know this area were like, it's never happening,

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<v Speaker 1>it ain't happening. Then we're like, holy shit, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it happened. And I think that a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>does boil down to politics and nate to the points

0:22:07.204 --> 0:22:10.324
<v Speaker 1>that you were making. Who is the audience of crypto,

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<v Speaker 1>who are they voting for? And how do they see

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<v Speaker 1>you if you oppose crypto currencies because a lot of

0:22:17.324 --> 0:22:20.644
<v Speaker 1>people in crypto are what's called single issue voters. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're pro crypto, they're going to vote for you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're seen as anti crypto, they ain't going to

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<v Speaker 1>vote for you. And this is true of the president,

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<v Speaker 1>it's true of senators, it's true of Republicans.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we look, Another factor is timing. We're now a

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<v Speaker 2>year and a half removed from FTX blowing up. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>you blame crypto per se for Sam Mekmin free, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a longer discussion I think we have time for right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But look, if Silicon Valley thinks they can make money

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<v Speaker 2>off this and Wall Street things, they could make money

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<v Speaker 2>off this, and the people who care more about crypto

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<v Speaker 2>might be swing voters, gettable votes war and the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are moralistic about it or whatnot. Then you know, look,

0:23:02.404 --> 0:23:05.604
<v Speaker 2>in the end, we actually are a pretty risk taking country,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, And it's hard to bottle that up,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if both parties kind of sense that this is

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<v Speaker 2>some emerging group of voters. I mean, it's still relatively small, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to exaggerate. I mean, if you made

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<v Speaker 2>a list of the twenty most important issues in the election,

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<v Speaker 2>crypto might be somewhere between seventeen and like not on

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<v Speaker 2>the list, Right, let's not exaggerate too much. But as

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<v Speaker 2>you're fighting for scarce real estate, these disaffected younger voters

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<v Speaker 2>who are not super into like watching cable news or

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, are actually voters who may be gettable

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<v Speaker 2>for either campaign. And so so I can see why

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to think about that square on the chessboard

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Nate, we were talking earlier today about poker and

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<v Speaker 1>about the importance of small edges and that you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a gambler, if you're a risk taker, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're any sort of decision maker. If you have an edge,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's, you know, a two percent edge, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to take that edge right because over time that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually going to be important. I think that that's a

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<v Speaker 1>really crucial point when we're talking about something like crypto here,

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<v Speaker 1>because as we've already talked about, I think every single

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<v Speaker 1>week of the Risky Business podcast, this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a close election no matter what. Right, the two

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<v Speaker 1>candidates right now, Trump and Biden are neck and neck,

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<v Speaker 1>and these small percentages might end up mattering, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>swing states. And so if we look at the crypto

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<v Speaker 1>voting block and we say, okay, you know, there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who are voting for whom this

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<v Speaker 1>is very important, and it seems like if we're anti crypto,

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<v Speaker 1>we might lose some votes but not gain any votes.

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<v Speaker 1>But if we're pro crypto, we're probably not going to

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<v Speaker 1>lose any votes because you know, people don't care enough,

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<v Speaker 1>but we might gain votes from that. You know, younger

0:24:52.044 --> 0:24:56.004
<v Speaker 1>swath of the population that does that does actually care

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<v Speaker 1>about that, And that's a that's an important calculus one

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<v Speaker 1>you're a politician.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, Trump also has demonstrated a willingness to go

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<v Speaker 2>and ask for anybody's vote. He was in the Bronx

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<v Speaker 2>the other day New York is not a swing state,

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<v Speaker 2>but trying to signal his support for young African American men,

0:25:16.084 --> 0:25:17.924
<v Speaker 2>which his group. He has gained among in the polls,

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<v Speaker 2>way behind, but better than he had been in previous years.

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<v Speaker 2>He was at the Libertarian nominating convention over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>where he was booed, but did pledge to nominate a

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<v Speaker 2>Libertarian to his cabinet, which is kind of an actual

0:25:32.964 --> 0:25:35.204
<v Speaker 2>and actual thing, right, if you'd like a libertarian Treasury

0:25:35.204 --> 0:25:39.284
<v Speaker 2>Secretary of something that's like actually pretty significant. But Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>as a real estate developer, has always understood that an

0:25:43.764 --> 0:25:47.804
<v Speaker 2>underdeveloped parcel of real estate is worth taking. That's often

0:25:47.844 --> 0:25:51.804
<v Speaker 2>a plus ROI plus EV investment. Right, Here's this like

0:25:51.804 --> 0:25:55.564
<v Speaker 2>blended piece of real estate where actually the fundamentals aren't

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<v Speaker 2>so bad and maybe you can fix it up and

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<v Speaker 2>make a profit on it. And I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>comment on domin Donald Trump's like real estate portfolio management

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<v Speaker 2>skills necessarily, but that instinct, I think is actually one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things I think I would give the most

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<v Speaker 2>compliments on as a politician that Trump like understood the

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<v Speaker 2>landscape was changing in twenty sixteen, the traditional GOP coalition

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<v Speaker 2>was losing. He would build a new coalition. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know why isn't Biden also speaking at the Libertarian conference

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<v Speaker 2>and saying because none of these candidates, including by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>RFK Junior, who at some point had a flirtation with libertarians,

0:26:29.164 --> 0:26:31.844
<v Speaker 2>none of these candids are good for libertarians, like whatsoever? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, but Biden should say, look, we're better on

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<v Speaker 2>reproductive rights. Right, We're better on freedom of the press,

0:26:37.604 --> 0:26:40.524
<v Speaker 2>and make some people about free speech. And Biden seems

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit risk averse to try to reach out

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<v Speaker 2>to new groups. Maybe he's afraid of getting booed. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if Trump one of the news clips

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<v Speaker 2>from the weekend, but he is trying to go after

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<v Speaker 2>that one in one hundred or one and even one

0:26:52.684 --> 0:26:54.884
<v Speaker 2>thousand voter that could make a difference if the elections

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<v Speaker 2>have been as close as they were in the past

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<v Speaker 2>two cycles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think that this is a very positive

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<v Speaker 1>development actually for the for the Biden campaign because it

0:27:05.084 --> 0:27:07.244
<v Speaker 1>does even even though he is more risk averse, I

0:27:07.284 --> 0:27:10.244
<v Speaker 1>think that this does signal that they are paying attention

0:27:10.324 --> 0:27:12.764
<v Speaker 1>and they are starting to do kind of what needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be done to get those votes that they need

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<v Speaker 1>to get. And so, Nate, you know, we were talking earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>this earlier about what we were going to talk about today,

0:27:22.004 --> 0:27:24.764
<v Speaker 1>and you said, you know, let's not do a politics segment.

0:27:24.804 --> 0:27:28.084
<v Speaker 1>So I said, let's do a cryptocurrency segment. And it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that in an election year, you know, everything

0:27:30.604 --> 0:27:33.324
<v Speaker 1>becomes a politics segment to a certain extent, because I

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<v Speaker 1>do not think we would be talking about this. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not think the e ETF would have been approved

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<v Speaker 1>if we were not in an election year, and if

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't kind of light the fire under politicians under

0:27:44.044 --> 0:27:48.084
<v Speaker 1>Biden to actually do things that might be distasteful to

0:27:48.204 --> 0:27:50.684
<v Speaker 1>them on some level, might be more of a risk

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<v Speaker 1>than they would otherwise want to take, but that they

0:27:52.924 --> 0:27:55.764
<v Speaker 1>are now willing to take because it's an election. So Nate,

0:27:56.164 --> 0:28:10.964
<v Speaker 1>everything is about the election. So Nate, as as we

0:28:11.004 --> 0:28:13.084
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, we're both in Las Vegas, and I think

0:28:13.124 --> 0:28:16.644
<v Speaker 1>we both feel incredibly lucky to be here because our

0:28:16.964 --> 0:28:21.004
<v Speaker 1>flight experiences this Memorial Day weekend were anything but smooth.

0:28:21.284 --> 0:28:24.284
<v Speaker 1>So I, for one, found myself sitting in LaGuardia Airport

0:28:25.124 --> 0:28:26.924
<v Speaker 1>and getting an alert that my flight was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, delayed first by an hour, then two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>then two and a half hours, and finally two hours

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty five minutes. And at that point we started,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we started boarding, and it ended up being

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<v Speaker 1>delayed by three and a half hours, but by that

0:28:43.724 --> 0:28:46.564
<v Speaker 1>point everyone was on the plane and it was just

0:28:46.644 --> 0:28:50.084
<v Speaker 1>it was just a nightmare and not something that I

0:28:50.164 --> 0:28:53.404
<v Speaker 1>was very happy with. So I'm happy to have made

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<v Speaker 1>it here, but I know that you have had a

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<v Speaker 1>less than stellar flight experience as well. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>also you know, the fact that our final official delay

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<v Speaker 1>was two hours and fifty five minutes before it was

0:29:05.244 --> 0:29:08.764
<v Speaker 1>pushed while everyone was on the plane also has some significance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was flying from Westchester County Airport HPN. I

0:29:13.684 --> 0:29:16.644
<v Speaker 2>think it is the call sign, and you can't fly

0:29:16.764 --> 0:29:19.724
<v Speaker 2>direct to Vegas from there, but you can connect either

0:29:19.804 --> 0:29:22.804
<v Speaker 2>choice of Atlanta or Detroit. Thing from Michigan. I chose

0:29:22.844 --> 0:29:25.524
<v Speaker 2>Detroit had a much longer connection time. I don't trust

0:29:25.524 --> 0:29:27.644
<v Speaker 2>thirty nine minutes in Atlanta, and I got that American

0:29:27.644 --> 0:29:29.644
<v Speaker 2>Express car where you get sky lounge. Jackson, I'm like,

0:29:29.884 --> 0:29:31.844
<v Speaker 2>you know, so we're circling in and like it's starting

0:29:31.844 --> 0:29:34.004
<v Speaker 2>to take a while I'm like, weren't we supposed to

0:29:34.004 --> 0:29:36.844
<v Speaker 2>have landed half an hour ago? Maybe I'm just like

0:29:36.964 --> 0:29:40.444
<v Speaker 2>kind of misremembering things. Right, We keep circling, and then

0:29:40.484 --> 0:29:44.324
<v Speaker 2>we get the pilot comes on right and he's like, well, folks,

0:29:44.364 --> 0:29:46.804
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like you know from the tona's voice, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a really bad well folks.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, He's like, we're running.

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<v Speaker 2>We're running out a few we have to land in

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<v Speaker 2>fucking He didn't say fucking, we have to land in Buffalo.

0:29:56.044 --> 0:29:58.044
<v Speaker 2>So we're going back where we thought we were in Detroit,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is really bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I had things where I had to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like on the ground somewhere business calls, online poker, stupid crap.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to be like on the ground on Monday.

0:30:06.804 --> 0:30:07.884
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't be flying on Monday.

0:30:07.884 --> 0:30:11.124
<v Speaker 2>Basically, I could have really scrambled the whole trip, maybe

0:30:11.124 --> 0:30:14.604
<v Speaker 2>including this podcast potentially on the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>There's kind of like you know, Lord of the Fly

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<v Speaker 3>or not really.

0:30:18.444 --> 0:30:21.644
<v Speaker 2>It's actually the pilot basically came and said we can

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<v Speaker 2>be plane ba if we be playing. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more paperwork, and so let's take a vote basically, and

0:30:28.124 --> 0:30:30.244
<v Speaker 2>people are like, yeah, let's stay on, except for one guy.

0:30:30.564 --> 0:30:32.044
<v Speaker 3>They had to warner them. They have to tell them.

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<v Speaker 2>We want you to know, sir, you may have to

0:30:33.884 --> 0:30:36.444
<v Speaker 2>be in Buffalo, New York for up to twenty four hours.

0:30:36.644 --> 0:30:39.284
<v Speaker 2>You know, here's a liability waiver in case something happens

0:30:39.284 --> 0:30:42.404
<v Speaker 2>to you. We do make it back to Detroit, and then,

0:30:43.604 --> 0:30:46.004
<v Speaker 2>because the whole rest of the flights have also been

0:30:46.044 --> 0:30:49.804
<v Speaker 2>scrambled by this midwestern thunderstorm, my original flight is also

0:30:49.844 --> 0:30:50.444
<v Speaker 2>three hours late.

0:30:50.524 --> 0:30:52.404
<v Speaker 3>So I get into Vegas at like one point thirty

0:30:52.444 --> 0:30:53.084
<v Speaker 3>in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>So all, well, that ends well, I suppose, But apropos

0:30:58.524 --> 0:31:01.724
<v Speaker 2>of this, there are some new government regulations that would

0:31:01.724 --> 0:31:04.444
<v Speaker 2>have covered I think, both of our situations.

0:31:04.444 --> 0:31:07.044
<v Speaker 3>So this is was released last week by.

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<v Speaker 2>The federal By Mayor Pete, our Department of Transportation issued

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<v Speaker 2>a whole new set of rules last week governing compensation

0:31:14.204 --> 0:31:17.484
<v Speaker 2>for passengers under a variety of circumstances. For example, a

0:31:17.524 --> 0:31:20.324
<v Speaker 2>domestic flight delayed by three plus hours or an international

0:31:20.324 --> 0:31:23.644
<v Speaker 2>flight six plus hours, if there's an extra connection like

0:31:23.644 --> 0:31:26.764
<v Speaker 2>my flight to Buffalo, or you land a different airport

0:31:26.764 --> 0:31:29.484
<v Speaker 2>because of a diversion, if your bags aren't delivered in

0:31:29.524 --> 0:31:33.324
<v Speaker 2>twelve hours. Discovers the guarantees you can get compensation in

0:31:33.364 --> 0:31:36.724
<v Speaker 2>a transparent way and with cash, not just some mileage

0:31:36.764 --> 0:31:38.524
<v Speaker 2>credit that you may or not be able to use

0:31:38.764 --> 0:31:41.404
<v Speaker 2>later on. So it's an effort to kind of streamline

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<v Speaker 2>and standardize punishments to airlines compensation to passengers when you

0:31:46.964 --> 0:31:47.244
<v Speaker 2>have a.

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<v Speaker 3>Really annoying flight delay.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me be a first first reaction to that, by

0:31:51.724 --> 0:31:55.284
<v Speaker 2>the way, is like part of a Biden administration series

0:31:55.284 --> 0:31:59.004
<v Speaker 2>of on junk fees or non transparent fees.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, I mean part of me says, you know, hallelujah, good,

0:32:02.724 --> 0:32:06.484
<v Speaker 1>like we need to hold airlines accountable. But some of

0:32:06.524 --> 0:32:09.924
<v Speaker 1>these things, like I can see the argument that, Okay,

0:32:10.004 --> 0:32:12.364
<v Speaker 1>you know it might not be great for like smaller

0:32:12.364 --> 0:32:16.004
<v Speaker 1>airlines blah blah blah, but honestly, airlines haven't given a

0:32:16.004 --> 0:32:18.244
<v Speaker 1>fuck about us for so long and have tried to

0:32:18.324 --> 0:32:20.764
<v Speaker 1>kind of push their edges. You know, you have fees

0:32:20.764 --> 0:32:23.204
<v Speaker 1>for all your checked bags, you have no lug room,

0:32:23.484 --> 0:32:25.324
<v Speaker 1>like they try to just cram you on the plane.

0:32:25.324 --> 0:32:27.844
<v Speaker 1>They have terrible customer service most of the time. So

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<v Speaker 1>I say, like, yay, yay these rules, and like I

0:32:31.804 --> 0:32:34.644
<v Speaker 1>don't check baggage because it gets lost all the time.

0:32:35.004 --> 0:32:38.684
<v Speaker 1>Like yes, please compensate me if if I have to

0:32:38.764 --> 0:32:41.524
<v Speaker 1>check it and you lose it. Like this seems like

0:32:42.124 --> 0:32:44.404
<v Speaker 1>something on an emotional level. And I know here we're

0:32:44.404 --> 0:32:48.284
<v Speaker 1>all about rational and logical risk taking and decision making,

0:32:48.644 --> 0:32:51.604
<v Speaker 1>but this is something airline travel is something that people

0:32:51.684 --> 0:32:55.484
<v Speaker 1>react to emotionally. I'm emotional about it, and good, I'm happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I want the airlines to have to pay for when

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<v Speaker 1>they actually do this, because you know, as a as

0:33:03.004 --> 0:33:07.764
<v Speaker 1>a consumer, when big corporations try to take advantage of me,

0:33:07.844 --> 0:33:10.604
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't feel good. And so I do think that

0:33:11.044 --> 0:33:14.004
<v Speaker 1>I'm acknowledging that I'm coming from this from an incorrect

0:33:14.404 --> 0:33:18.044
<v Speaker 1>decision making framework, but the hedonic value is actually a

0:33:18.084 --> 0:33:20.124
<v Speaker 1>big part of my expected value here.

0:33:21.124 --> 0:33:22.284
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to come in it from like an

0:33:22.324 --> 0:33:27.164
<v Speaker 2>economist standpoint where in some ways to have regulations can

0:33:27.244 --> 0:33:31.164
<v Speaker 2>actually be beneficial to the industry from a game theory standpoint,

0:33:31.164 --> 0:33:32.564
<v Speaker 2>So let me get it. Kind of give you an example,

0:33:32.604 --> 0:33:36.164
<v Speaker 2>which is if you got to like an online dating profile, right,

0:33:36.524 --> 0:33:39.804
<v Speaker 2>and you look at different men who are trying to

0:33:40.604 --> 0:33:43.364
<v Speaker 2>maybe exaggerate favorably their height or their age or other

0:33:43.804 --> 0:33:48.444
<v Speaker 2>things other features about them. Right, I love that other

0:33:48.564 --> 0:33:52.284
<v Speaker 2>features you want to with what's kind of a prisoner's dilemma,

0:33:52.444 --> 0:33:55.404
<v Speaker 2>believe it or not, where let's say everyone exaggerates their

0:33:55.444 --> 0:33:57.524
<v Speaker 2>height by two inches and you have the same incentive

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, unless you're may be so tall that

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<v Speaker 2>like six or four versus six six doesn't matter all

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<v Speaker 2>that much. By the way NBA players do this, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>an inch or so as well. But the point is

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, passengers know that when they book an

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<v Speaker 2>airline ticket or even more. It's worse with hotels, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, with the resort fees where the hell they

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<v Speaker 2>call them. They know there are a lot of like

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<v Speaker 2>extra add on fees, and therefore, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>like let's say we're a hotel that has like all

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<v Speaker 2>in pricing, there's no hidden fees, well it's still going

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<v Speaker 2>to appear more expensive on Expedia or whatnot. So to

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<v Speaker 2>have like standards that regulate what fees are included or

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what compensation you get if you're late might

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<v Speaker 2>actually be okay and lead to more transparency for consumers

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<v Speaker 2>in general and have less dead weight loss is the

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<v Speaker 2>economics term. With that said, this will be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>priced into the cost of a ticket if every time

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<v Speaker 2>you fly there's a one percent chance of a circumstance

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<v Speaker 2>that would cause the airline to have to pay out

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand dollars fine or something. Then adds ten dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in expected value, and therefore it's kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of insurance.

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<v Speaker 3>Bundled with the ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>But I look, the only critique I have other than

0:35:06.244 --> 0:35:08.084
<v Speaker 2>that's not free money, right, it will get priced in,

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<v Speaker 2>is could this create perverse incentives toward the airlines doing

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<v Speaker 2>things that are unsafe in an effort to avoid these

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<v Speaker 2>these large fees.

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<v Speaker 1>Potentially, Yeah, that's actually something that I hadn't thought about,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be really problematic. I would hope that

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't happen, because the first time that a plane

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<v Speaker 1>crashes where something goes terribly wrong because they cut a corner,

0:35:33.884 --> 0:35:37.084
<v Speaker 1>the cost of that is so incredibly high to the airline,

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<v Speaker 1>to the image, to the perception that I hoped that

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't do that. That said, you know, we hoped

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<v Speaker 1>that Boeing wouldn't do some of the things they did,

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<v Speaker 1>So sometimes that decision making calculus is also a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different. But I'm glad that kind of the games

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<v Speaker 1>theory of this also aligns with my own emotional desire

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<v Speaker 1>to have these things not happen. One interesting thing, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you were actually going to go somewhere with the

0:36:04.804 --> 0:36:08.404
<v Speaker 1>perverse incentives, you know, the two hours and fifty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically like that point when you see that delay, like,

0:36:11.724 --> 0:36:14.164
<v Speaker 1>as a consumer, I should now be like, Okay, there's

0:36:14.164 --> 0:36:16.164
<v Speaker 1>no way it's two hours and fifty five minutes. This

0:36:16.284 --> 0:36:18.524
<v Speaker 1>is actually going to be delayed by more than three hours.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're trying to like they're trying to keep me

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<v Speaker 1>here so that I don't cancel and don't claim my refund.

0:36:24.044 --> 0:36:27.804
<v Speaker 2>And then it's like it's like two hours two fifty eight, right,

0:36:27.844 --> 0:36:31.004
<v Speaker 2>and they're like everyone's got to get seated now or

0:36:31.044 --> 0:36:33.564
<v Speaker 2>else we're gonna hit the three hours. Oh shit, I

0:36:33.564 --> 0:36:36.044
<v Speaker 2>have in a bathroom emergency. I have to go right now, right,

0:36:36.084 --> 0:36:38.804
<v Speaker 2>and everyone, you make everyone I play in one thousand bucks. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we go into a local casino in Buffalo or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, have a great time.

0:36:44.884 --> 0:36:46.844
<v Speaker 1>That's a good that's a good that's a good outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a local casino in Buffalo night?

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking this up. There was, uh, there was

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<v Speaker 2>casino Niagara. I was not sure whether I bought my

0:36:54.764 --> 0:36:57.084
<v Speaker 2>passport or not right, but potentially I could have wound

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<v Speaker 2>up in Niagara Falls, Canada playing some one two I

0:37:00.324 --> 0:37:01.964
<v Speaker 2>don't know, you know, one two limit nine.

0:37:01.884 --> 0:37:03.244
<v Speaker 3>Or the fuck they have in Niagara Falls.

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<v Speaker 1>So that makes me so happy. I'm so glad that

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<v Speaker 1>as you were being diverted to Buffalo in this horrible situation,

0:37:11.244 --> 0:37:15.644
<v Speaker 1>where your mind goes is is there a casino nearby?

0:37:15.924 --> 0:37:18.124
<v Speaker 1>We haven't really talked about this, but I think that

0:37:18.324 --> 0:37:21.844
<v Speaker 1>I affectionately think of Nate as you know, my one

0:37:21.884 --> 0:37:25.044
<v Speaker 1>of my most djeny friends, and djen is short for

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<v Speaker 1>a degenerate gambler, and it's a term of great affection

0:37:29.124 --> 0:37:31.924
<v Speaker 1>in this particular case. And you know, people have more

0:37:32.044 --> 0:37:35.924
<v Speaker 1>or less degen in them, which also I think has

0:37:35.964 --> 0:37:39.244
<v Speaker 1>to do with appetite for risk, and Nate you as

0:37:39.924 --> 0:37:42.724
<v Speaker 1>as the dgen that I know in love. I'm so

0:37:42.884 --> 0:37:45.884
<v Speaker 1>glad that you were looking up casinos. I would have

0:37:45.924 --> 0:37:47.364
<v Speaker 1>been looking up if I had been stuck there, I

0:37:47.404 --> 0:37:51.244
<v Speaker 1>would have been like, eater hit list, Buffalo, Is there

0:37:51.284 --> 0:37:53.964
<v Speaker 1>anywhere good to eat? Or am I going to be just.

0:37:53.964 --> 0:37:57.084
<v Speaker 2>Completely one famous Buffalo anchor bar I think it's called

0:37:57.284 --> 0:37:59.284
<v Speaker 2>And having not been to Buffalo maybe since I was

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<v Speaker 2>like eight or whatever, Right, anchor bar Cassino, Niagara, get

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<v Speaker 2>the six am earliest possible delta flight to Detroit, and

0:38:07.404 --> 0:38:09.644
<v Speaker 2>from there we have options. Once you're in Detroit, it's

0:38:09.844 --> 0:38:12.084
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a real airport, and then the world's

0:38:12.084 --> 0:38:14.524
<v Speaker 2>your oyster. But we had a whole game plan in case,

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<v Speaker 2>in case the flight never left Buffalo again.

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<v Speaker 1>So so Nate, let's just kind of sum this up. Obviously,

0:38:22.044 --> 0:38:24.844
<v Speaker 1>nobody likes to be delayed, right, nobody. Nobody likes this,

0:38:24.844 --> 0:38:28.044
<v Speaker 1>this kind of stuff to happen. And it seems that

0:38:28.084 --> 0:38:32.004
<v Speaker 1>we agree for for even though we're coming from different angles.

0:38:32.004 --> 0:38:34.884
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming from a very emotional tilted angle and you're

0:38:34.924 --> 0:38:38.684
<v Speaker 1>coming from the correct risk taking game theoretic framework angle

0:38:39.004 --> 0:38:41.084
<v Speaker 1>that there are a lot of good things that can

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<v Speaker 1>come from these regulations. What does this mean just for

0:38:45.964 --> 0:38:48.284
<v Speaker 1>us as decision makers on a on a broader.

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<v Speaker 2>Level, Maybe it means you can be like a little

0:38:50.724 --> 0:38:54.084
<v Speaker 2>bit more risk taking with your travel plans because you

0:38:54.084 --> 0:38:56.204
<v Speaker 2>do get compensated in some way. You may get made

0:38:56.204 --> 0:39:00.044
<v Speaker 2>partially whole if if you're if you're late or at

0:39:00.044 --> 0:39:01.684
<v Speaker 2>the margin. I mean, look, I still think people are

0:39:01.684 --> 0:39:05.044
<v Speaker 2>actually much too willing to to make connecting flights.

0:39:05.724 --> 0:39:08.844
<v Speaker 3>I think paying a premium.

0:39:08.364 --> 0:39:09.964
<v Speaker 2>For direct flight is worth it now because it says

0:39:09.964 --> 0:39:13.404
<v Speaker 2>you time, but because like it's just like literally two

0:39:13.684 --> 0:39:16.164
<v Speaker 2>x less likely will have a problem getting to your

0:39:16.204 --> 0:39:19.884
<v Speaker 2>destination if you have one flight instead of two. Right, So,

0:39:21.044 --> 0:39:24.284
<v Speaker 2>but at the margin, now you can take riskier options,

0:39:24.324 --> 0:39:27.164
<v Speaker 2>I suppose if you don't mind the cash compensation in

0:39:27.244 --> 0:39:30.764
<v Speaker 2>terms of flying out of an airport that has more

0:39:30.764 --> 0:39:33.324
<v Speaker 2>delays or making a connection when you wouldn't otherwise. So

0:39:33.444 --> 0:39:36.244
<v Speaker 2>at the margin, if you're a real ev maximizer for

0:39:36.284 --> 0:39:38.724
<v Speaker 2>flight stuff, than it affects your plans a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I appreciate that, Nate. But as for me personally,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's any chance of me ending up in Buffalo,

0:39:45.644 --> 0:39:47.364
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm going to play it safe.

0:39:47.604 --> 0:39:51.884
<v Speaker 2>I hope we have some Buffalonian listeners will who will

0:39:51.964 --> 0:39:54.604
<v Speaker 2>understand that I am pro Buffalo and Marie's anti Buffalo.

0:39:54.844 --> 0:39:57.364
<v Speaker 2>I would have enjoyed Anchor Bar, would have Enjoyedino Niagar.

0:39:57.924 --> 0:39:59.564
<v Speaker 2>If there were a Sabers game, I would have gone,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, so I'm you know, Bill's game would be thrilled.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm pro Buffalo, all right.

0:40:04.204 --> 0:40:06.764
<v Speaker 1>But we don't have to be in Buffalo. Right now,

0:40:07.004 --> 0:40:10.164
<v Speaker 1>we're in Las Vegas and we we have to end

0:40:10.284 --> 0:40:13.244
<v Speaker 1>this podcast here because we are both running out to

0:40:13.364 --> 0:40:15.644
<v Speaker 1>play our first event for which we're both registered, and

0:40:15.684 --> 0:40:16.484
<v Speaker 1>we're so excited.

0:40:16.844 --> 0:40:18.324
<v Speaker 3>In fact, we're going to Paris.

0:40:19.044 --> 0:40:22.084
<v Speaker 2>But the Paris Las Vegas Awesome Hotel is just you know,

0:40:23.724 --> 0:40:24.404
<v Speaker 2>to play.

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<v Speaker 3>In the at number one of the two thousand and

0:40:26.924 --> 0:40:29.724
<v Speaker 3>twenty four Worlds. Heis at poker, absolutely night, Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I will see you there and I will see you

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<v Speaker 1>at dinner where we will both have heaps and heaps

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<v Speaker 1>and heaps of chips.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to you, s Maria.

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