WEBVTT - Hellscape City: Memphis 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:07.120 As media. All right, y'all, Hood politics with prop So 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.600 I'm starting a series here that's not gonna be like 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.680 every you know, it's not gonna be back to back 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:16.919 by like a mini series like you know, behind the 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:18.919 Police or something, but just something to come back to, 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.960 and one of which is I just want to walk y'all. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:24.480 Through the American health scapes. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.720 You know, all these cities that our president is telling 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:47.960 us are just unlivable, just horrible places for people to 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.400 live and work and survive. Like you can't even wear 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:55.400 your watches anymore, you know. And my biggest thing about 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.200 hearing stuff like that is like, I mean, have y'all, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.560 like if y'all been to the cities that he's talking about, 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.920 Like do you know anyone that lives there? Like why 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.880 would you just believe that? I feel like it's such 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:12.640 a fixable problem, you know. But it's also if you, 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.200 like I said, like how this show works, Like if 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.080 you understand the hood, you grew up in the inner cities, 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.720 you understand politics. People have been saying this about us, 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.720 whether you're black, you Latino, or you're from the inner city. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.840 This is these are the things that we've lived with forever. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.959 Where it's just like you have this narrative about it. 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.200 Just pull up, like, just come through, act like you 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.760 got some home training, you know, and you will be 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:36.520 treated well. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:37.399 Right you know. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.800 So anyway, so to kick this off, I wanted to 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.040 start in Memphis. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:44.520 How you am I saying it right? 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:45.440 Are you close? 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.280 I'm close? It's too much. I got too much, lam me. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:50.120 Now. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.560 One of my favorite things is when Prop gets into 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.040 his like Southern dialect bag. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.360 Yeah yeah, because my grass, my granny, because you know, 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:00.840 our granny Ranny for the feeling. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.680 Every time, I was like, oh yeah, Grandma, Yeah it's 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:06.160 coming out. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:07.000 I love it. Bro. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.000 Yeah, everybody, everybody la they granty from the South, Like 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.000 that's we're all like, you know, transplants from there. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:15.079 Uh. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:20.600 But anyway, Uh, my man Bartholomew Jones, uh, coffee Black. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.160 We've had him on here before when we were doing 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.359 the terraform and stuff about making coffee black again and 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.880 and sort of the specific movements of how he was 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.639 trying to like uplift you know, uh, bring the blackness 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.320 back to coffee, you know, reclaim some narratives here and 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:40.160 and just what he's doing as a business owner that's 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.680 you know, not just about business, but about the community 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.120 and being like, you know, rooted in a place that 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.079 you exist in and working and it's given so much 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.400 to you and you just want to give back. So 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.960 this one is not so much about the coffee, although 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.680 that's gonna come up because we are us, but it's 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.320 this is more about what it. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.200 Means, like I just want him. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.440 I just want him to come in here and just 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:10.280 gush about Memphis, like like imagine, imagine, you know, I 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.920 pop in and I'm like, Okay, I got five days, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:15.840 I got five days in the city. You know what 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.000 I'm saying, Like, make me fall in love with Memphis. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:26.200 So that's that's really what's happening here. So we're gonna 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.800 go ahead and start with your personal narrative. Okay, So 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.480 coffee black generational member of Memphis, give me, give me 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:35.040 some history. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.480 Yeah, man, So I've grown up my whole life in Memphis. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.960 My father grew up his whole life in Memphis. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.960 His father moved to Memphis from Arkansas after his father, 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.960 you know, lost the land they had about ninety acres 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.440 or so in Arkansas where. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:54.760 He was actually not a sharecropper. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.840 And that's a big part of my dad and my 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.840 granddad was said out of time, we are not sharecroppers, 0:03:58.880 --> 0:03:59.360 you know what I'm saying. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.560 And it was big, it. 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.600 Was big thing for us bro They were not able 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.920 to keep the land that they were working, they kept 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.200 the soft skills, they kept the social capital and all 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.320 of that. So, like, business ownership has always been part 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.320 of my legacy, my family has been, you know, either 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.440 supporting through. My granddad had like four or five jobs, 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.360 two or three business ran, plus working with other people. 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:23.960 That's just been a part of history. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:24.120 Man. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.960 So we you know South specifically, So if you know. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.440 About that, you know about that and no no pause pause, Okay, 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.760 if you know about that, assume we don't what are 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.520 we missing? Like in the sense that like what do 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.680 you not know? Is truly South Memphis? You know what 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.360 I'm saying. Like you're like, oh, you remember the song 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:42.760 that y'all loved that South Memphis? 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:47.159 Right if you think about young Dolph Okay, right, historically. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.400 Very love beloved artists like that's that's South Memphis right there. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.680 You know what I'm saying, So pl e that South Memphis. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.159 A lot of those artists that are coming out from there. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.360 And when you think about the South I remember was 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.200 actually like the quintessential. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.160 Black neighborhood in Memphis. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.760 Of course there's a history in North Memphis too, but 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.599 a lot of social history you think about I W well, right, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.800 like she had a lot of her initial work was 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:16.160 in South Memphis. She actually, like her activist work started 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.000 out like writing a letter against or a series of 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.720 letters against a lynching that happened from on grocery store 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.720 called People's Grocery in South Memphis. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.920 You know what I'm saying. South Memphis has like had 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:29.280 a lot of history there. 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:33.080 So even with People's Grocery, that particular store black owned. 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.760 You had like some of the first black millionaires in 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:40.039 South Memphis. There was a thriving history there, and of 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.760 course that wasn't beloved by some of the folks outside 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.520 of that community. And so yeah, you have to come 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.840 into this black owned grocery store. The story goes that 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.400 two kids were playing outside. One kid was a black 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.800 kid whose parent was in the store. The kid was 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.760 a white kid who was outside. They were playing Jack's. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.680 You know what I'm saying, If you remember Jackson Jacks 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.599 and a black kid wins, the white kid's parent comes 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.159 out as dad, and you know, start saying that the 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.520 black kid was cheating and so on this before they're like, nah, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.880 that's disrespectful. This is our store, of course, Now your 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.520 kids just lost. Anyway, long story short, you come back, 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.880 the store has been burned down. That night, several people 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.440 got lynched. And this was in the middle of like 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:23.279 a bustling, thriving black on community. And this incident is 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.159 what kind of instigated id B Wells, which is I 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.800 think in a lot of ways as indicative of the 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.719 history of Memphis, because you know, we talk about things 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.760 being burnt and things being bitter and things being desolate, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.200 but these are ruins, you know what I'm saying. And 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.720 a lot of these are places that have been ransacked 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.520 and pillaged. And people's grocery is a perfect example of 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.440 a place that the only reason why you ransacked or 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.719 pillage the place is because there's wealth. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.279 There's well, right, So like, yeah, there. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.000 Was wealth there, and you know, when we get into it, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:51.400 I'll talk about how there still is. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:52.760 But that history. 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.000 Now we think about South Memphis, we think about drugs 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:59.800 and crime and beads and basketball, these narratives that are 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.320 out there, but like South Memphis was the first flourishing 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:07.680 black owned neighborhood filled with millionaires and musicians and grocery 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:08.520 stores whatever. 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.760 The antithesism desert is, yes. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:15.760 And because of that jealousy towards that, or envy towards that, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.800 or hate towards that, or maybe maority, I'm not sure, 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:23.000 because I mean there were still tons of Jim Crow happening. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:23.680 You know what I'm saying. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.240 White people were not actively being oppressed. They were just 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:27.280 thriving in spite of that. 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:28.320 Right, I love. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.440 I love that point. I love I. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.280 I wish I could like this is where I wish 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.640 I could be like a Cornell West level history teacher, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.000 like right, where you could just change that narrative or 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:47.520 that that perspective of like it's it's in spite of 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.400 you know what I'm saying, it's not because like when 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.640 you say okay, you hear a lot of like now 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.640 these like new white supremacists, like these new ones is weird, right, 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.440 but they were They're like listen, uh f no states 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.960 meaning like ending you know, keeping us segregated is actually good. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.720 And they're like, well, look man, like Japan's flourishing because 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:09.600 it's an eth no state. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.280 They're like look you're you're They're like. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:15.360 Look, man, you look at Finland and Scandinavia, like, yeah, 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.560 they have it's like a utopia because. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.400 They just don't allow diversity, you know what I'm saying. 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.000 So they were so then they look at what you 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.480 just argued, and they said, no, look, Jim Crow was 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.880 good for black people, just like they knew Baby Martyr. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:27.520 You know what I'm saying. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.120 Mister Kirk, you know, was like I think civil rights 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.160 move was bad. He's like, listen, you guys had black 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.400 owned businesses. You this, you stay in your community, your money, 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.400 state in your community. Like I understand what the problem is. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.280 Let's go back to segregation. And it's like, no, no, 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:43.640 you're it's in spite of segregation. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:45.000 And I think part of. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.040 The piece that's missing there too is I don't think 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.680 white people like segregation because like when you think about 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.400 this of how how how I don't even mean the 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.600 way you think about it first, But like they were 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.920 at the store. Nobody I came in shop. You wanted 0:08:59.920 --> 0:09:00.600 to be in the store. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:01.160 I don't know if. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:04.880 You know what I'm saying, But there was the desire 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.680 to be in the community that God actually created us 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.440 to be in you know what I'm saying, even though 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.560 the segregation was forced or people were like, yeah, but 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.080 I want to go over there. Yeah, but I want 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:14.880 to go to Bill Street. Yeah, but I want to 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.559 be be king. Yeah but yeah I want to hear W. C. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.800 Handy like, yes, there is a desire for so for 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.120 and you even see that now, like so much of 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.440 the cultural export of Memphis, whether it's the Blues or the. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.520 Grizzlies, it's mafia. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.640 Yeah people, you know what I'm saying, Gotti like or 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.560 when we talk about you know what I'm saying, flipp 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.360 it like these these the cultural export, the barbecue, the 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.839 fried chickens. So much of what I loved about the city, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:46.439 by everyone who is here right comes from these black 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.840 seeds that for some reason I saw the spot and 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.400 it's like yo, you you you even in your spirit, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.520 you know that this is not how God intended us 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.640 to live, because you ain't living like yeah, exactly. Segregation 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.120 was what people really wanted. There wouldn't be all these 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.800 these babies on slave plantations. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.040 Come on, now, you know what I'm saying, Come on 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:04.840 now here. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.959 Cuisine, you know what I'm saying, German cooking styles if 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.720 you with like my brother right here islagg and that 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.120 how you get schnittle style chicken on a plan. You 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.600 know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, no, yeah, I'm with it. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.839 People the desires like mag of cheese, you know what 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.920 I'm saying. Like here's a black man enslave getting sent 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.000 out to Paris and bringing the techniques. You know what 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.199 I'm saying, one of these that's so beautiful. My brother 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.760 Steven zennierman here, he's our new assistant manager. They actually 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:33.040 just moved to Memphis. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:33.720 So they just moved. 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.400 He's from Georgia, Augusta and they lived in Jersey's a 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.560 coffee rollser Now they just moved their whole family to Memphis, 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.640 you know what I'm saying. And one of the things 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.880 that he's they're bakers and chefs as well as coffee 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.720 roasters and barises, and they've been baking these golageechee snacks 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:53.520 or deserve like uh, like a chewi which has a 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.080 whole history to that joint. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:55.600 You know what I'm saying. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.319 Where it's like black folks, where Steve, would you want 0:10:58.320 --> 0:10:58.800 to talk about that? 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:03.960 So them you're here, you're here, all right, Steve, come 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.840 to the mic. Yo, my look so with it? 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:09.479 What's going on with you? 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:09.679 Oh? 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:10.640 What's up? Boy? Wait? 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:11.320 Okay, now I. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:16.760 See who he is? Yeah, yeah, man, just real quick. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:17.800 Yeah. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:19.920 And this I don't want to I don't want to 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.079 say this. This history is the the gospel. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:24.040 Okay. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:25.800 Yeah, that's what was told to me. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.319 And I got the recipe from my one of my aunties. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.120 Units gave me this recipe of chewis your auntie? 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:37.200 What? 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.440 Now? Say it again? My name was Lee Eunice. I 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:41.520 love it black as hell? 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:47.600 Okay, go on, yeah, man, my auntie she she gave 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.640 me this recipe a couple of years back, man, because 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.520 we always had them when we was kids and were 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.800 running around the churn, want something to eat? Yeah, and 0:11:58.200 --> 0:11:59.520 going on over to the table and get one of 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.800 them chooser there. So we get one of them at 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.800 one of the family events. And as I got older, 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.719 went the Coulinary school and everything, uh started learning a 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.400 little bit, and then a lot of the older people 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:13.719 in the family just start dying off. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.240 So you just want to three. 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.760 You want to keep the recipes from our parents, you know, grandparents, aunties. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:21.960 And I just asked her one day, Auntie Lee, can 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.000 I get that recipe from you for the for the 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.000 for the chewies. And the history goes from what I 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.680 was told by another family member that back in the day, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.200 if it looks like a brownie, if you don't it 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.559 looks like a brownie, eats like a brownie, the inside 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.080 is a little bit more chewy. 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:41.839 So that's kent. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.440 It's called that. Yeah, But we couldn't. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.280 Afford chocolate, uh or it was a delicacy or is 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.200 it was a privilege to have. But we still knew 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.480 how to bake, still knew how to do something with 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.200 what what what what? The little that we might have 0:12:55.840 --> 0:13:00.199 and with chew was just flour, brown sugar, eggs, a 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:04.880 little bit of sea salt or salt, yeah, some vanilla, 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.560 and you melt it. It's like the straight though method. Yeah, 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.959 make melt it down in the pot, spread it in 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.760 a cookie sheet, bake it twenty five maybe thirty minutes, 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.760 and cut it and eat it. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.120 And that's that's the true delicacy. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.880 It's a delicacy. And people been doing that for their 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.520 churn for a long time. And my aunt, my aunts, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.440 and my uncles, my grandma, they did it for us 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:29.920 when we was was looking. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:34.000 At thanks for that, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love you. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.880 You know what I'm saying, they like it's like it's 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.920 almost like, oh, you have pecan pie, like the feeling 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.640 of a pekan and pie. Uh huh that plus a 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.440 plus a blondie. You know what I'm saying, absurd, absurd crazy. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:46.760 Yeah. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.440 But think what people are reacting to is they're seeing 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.959 a culture in the history that is so unique and 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.680 so regional, but at the same time, they're seeing themselves 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.840 in it and like, this is not black folks who 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.000 coming like we can't keep these chees and stocks since 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.959 they've been making them everything, Like. 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:01.840 The chewies in here. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:02.880 You know what I'm saying, they gone. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.600 I think that's such an example of like this this 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.760 clear blessing, you know what I'm saying, of people making 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.079 good things because they are made of a good creator 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.920 and people kind of like your appetite is telling on you. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.160 I think that there's, uh, there's something to that in 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:00.200 the sense that like what I what I remember and 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.480 loved about Memphis, especially when I tied it to history, 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.120 which is in a lot of ways, it's something that 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.520 growing up out West I don't necessarily have, Uh, is 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:13.160 the length the length of history and culture to pull 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:18.320 from in the sense that you know, with like California 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.600 was Mexico, Like this was something else, you know what 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.520 I mean. But I think that there's like I didn't 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.440 grow up in a world in the way that you 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.240 did to be like, well man, you're you know, the 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:35.080 grocery store, the you know, the bank, your principal. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:36.040 You know what I'm saying. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.000 Like they was all they was all black, you know 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.280 what I'm saying, Like I didn't necessarily see that in 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:43.880 a way that a lot of people who grew up 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.560 in the South, and of course we did because we're 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:46.400 part of La was from. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.800 Of course I was black panther. It was plain black people. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:49.280 You know what I'm saying. 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.360 It wasn't like that my my third grade teacher, Miss Spears, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:53.000 you know what I'm saying. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:55.600 But for her, you know, this is a black woman. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.440 But we was we were in a. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.120 That she taught it a Latino neighborhood school, you know 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.200 what I'm saying, because that's where I lived, you know. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.880 And but she was like a studio. She was the 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.000 official background singer for Whitne Houston. You know what I'm saying, 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.040 Like like she was saying saying, you know what I'm saying, like, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.840 but that was just but for us, that's la to 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.080 where you're just like, look, dude, like everyone everyone's gorgeous, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.320 everyone's talented, we're all howded together. The streets are dangerous, 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:25.800 but just act like you got sense it is what 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:30.240 it is, right. So so I think that like you 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.400 having this like longer history of saying, I can look 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:38.640 at this building, I know this corner for generations was 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.680 an example, Like you said, the first black billionaires. I 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.720 think it's also important with music, you know, whether it's 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.480 the Motown sound or what was going on in Nashville. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.240 The players were from Memphis, like the people that. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.560 Actually we got to talk about Soulsville in South Memphis. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.200 That's what I'm trying to say, the actual musicians, you 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.000 know what I'm saying, Like that's also South mephis right, exactly. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:05.720 We're talking about records, Yeah, we're talking about Isaac Hayes. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.080 We're talking about the songs song like Green Onions, Yeah, 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.840 all over the world. We're talking about, Yeah, the Staples singers. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.639 So much of what is the soul music sound, Like 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.560 I say, soul music was created in Memphis. 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:21.120 You know what I'm saying. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.639 It was exported and polished in Detroit. You know what 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:25.080 I'm saying. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.080 They really commercialized the sound. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.359 But when you talk about that gritty so much, so 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.240 many hip hop samples came from Stax Music Records for 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:32.639 a reason. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.840 Yeah, I know, it's just gotta swing. Yeah. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.320 And then the way the drums hit like this is 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.240 again such a huge part of even saying the words soul. 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.000 You know what I'm saying. This is a huge part 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.640 of Memphis culture. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.600 And so when you think about these things, of course, 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:54.240 Memphis is not just the crime, it's not just the improvement. 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:55.919 It is the things that. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.119 Were here prior to it that many times were the 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.080 reasons why someone came and plundered us in the first place, 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:02.440 was because there was gold there. 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:03.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.879 I love that you got plundered. You got plundered. So 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.480 unfortunately for you and I, like we are, we were 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.439 born in that era, the era of you know, the 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.800 post plundering. We grew up in the ashes of a 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.639 once beautiful civilization and had to create something out of 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.960 out of what we had. Right, So, you know, me 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.359 being a product of like you know, the crack academic 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.720 and you know in the in the street sweepers and 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.760 the you know, militarization of the police and LAPD like 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.280 you know, you know which gave us you know, gangster rap, 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:38.720 which gave us you know what I'm saying. 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:40.840 Uh, the graffiti culture. You know what I'm saying. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.200 And a lot of the things that you know are 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.040 in galleries now you feel me? 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:50.720 Uh and are you know yeah, yeah yeah and mimicked. Yeah. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.120 You know what I'm saying. It all over the world, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:52.439 you know. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.520 So I think you know, whether it's you know, trap 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:01.320 music obviously is specifically Atlanta, but like but either way, uh, 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.320 there was it was, it got it got dark like 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.040 you know, like I don't let anybody, don't. I do 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.160 not romanticized gang life. So like, so I was gonna say, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:11.560 tell me about the darkness, you know what I mean? 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.280 And I think that this is a thing that is important. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:20.040 Like we live here too, So if anyone knows that 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.000 it is dangerous, if you want to find the people 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.200 who can speak the most about it, like you ask 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.360 somebody who lived there whose business has to go through, Yes, 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.040 vandalism and the burglaries and and we call them call heads, 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.560 you know, what I'm saying, but like the con heads 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.720 coming up and shooting up on the trying to get 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.240