Speaker 1: I have to, like, I have to turn all the
Speaker 1: way off, and I tell my partner, like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to watch a movie that's smart. I don't want
Speaker 1: to watch a movie that is challenging or difficult for me.
Speaker 2: I got a good one for you, The Union, starring
Speaker 2: Mark Wahlberg and Halle Berry.
Speaker 1: Oh, America's greatest actor, Mark Wahlberg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, America's greatest patriot, America's greatest actor. Would have gone
Speaker 2: down a lot different if he had been there for
Speaker 2: literally any of the horrible attacks in American history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should I should include some alternate histories of
Speaker 1: the terrorist events in my show where Mark Wahlberg stopped.
Speaker 3: Them Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 2: That sh would have gone down a lot different if
Speaker 2: I had been there, Bro.
Speaker 3: I would have told, Hey, keep your head on a swibble, Bro,
Speaker 3: keep your head on a swibble. Bro. I think literally
Speaker 3: they're sending it. They're sending messages that they're gonna attack Bro.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, if Mark Wahlberg had been in the
Speaker 1: radio tower, he would have said something, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely clear, eyes, warm heart, Hello the Internet, and
Speaker 2: welcome to season three point fifty one, episode two.
Speaker 4: Of Dr Day's iisting production of iHeartRadio. This is a
Speaker 4: podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness.
Speaker 4: And it is Tuesday, August twentieth, twenty four eight.
Speaker 3: Twenty two four mm hmm, which means National Accessible Air
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Speaker 3: Don't care about that because this is podcasting. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's it for today. Just three three things, just the
Speaker 3: three menu.
Speaker 2: Damn, just three on the menu down out here, and
Speaker 2: pick can pie?
Speaker 3: You a fan? Oh yeah? Oh fuck yeah, even not
Speaker 3: even in a pie like in like the roasted in
Speaker 3: a bag. I could fucking dust a bag fucking seconds straight.
Speaker 3: It's just something so delicious about it.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 3: Are they like greasy? Is that why? Yeah, they got
Speaker 3: a little greasy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't fuck with them before, but yeah now I'm
Speaker 2: a I'm up the cam bitch for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: My name is Jack O'Brien aka the the cam Bitch
Speaker 2: aka sit in on the trash, eating garbage, ripping them
Speaker 2: crows into in the half with my mind on a
Speaker 2: murderer and a murder on my mind. That is courtesy
Speaker 2: of m P L M D nine seven four four
Speaker 2: six seven of course that's just going off off the dome.
Speaker 2: I just that name, I just sticks in my brain.
Speaker 3: MP. Yeah, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm always worried that I'm like mispronouncing or like missing
Speaker 2: something in the screen name, Like is m P L
Speaker 2: M D? Is that like maple doctor or something? You know,
Speaker 2: like is ninety seven four four sixty seven like some
Speaker 2: code that I should know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, wow? Or nine what happened September seventh,
Speaker 3: thineteen forty four? There's so many ways to break that down.
Speaker 2: September forty four through nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah seven, yeah, yeah, my golden era.
Speaker 1: It's the last six of his social that's yeah.
Speaker 2: Which, yeah, that shit doesn't matter anymore, every single one
Speaker 2: of them. So we can stop fucking worrying. I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna go go ahead and say mine right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I think a couple episodes back.
Speaker 5: Did you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're brave, brave, don't.
Speaker 1: Give I see them unredacted in court documents all the time.
Speaker 1: They're not careful.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, that's wow. They're just like, yeah, it doesn't anymore.
Speaker 2: Whatever, Like we have to build a new system. We
Speaker 2: haven't done it yet, but that we need to build
Speaker 2: a new system because everything is for free on the
Speaker 2: internet everywhere. Well, speaking of for free on the internet,
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co
Speaker 2: host mister Miles Gray.
Speaker 6: Yes he's back, the bee boy champion of North Hollywood
Speaker 6: who missed my flight to Paris for the Olympics, the
Speaker 6: original bee Boy Gray Gun in the building.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. Uh you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of my moves were premiered in ray Gun's
Speaker 3: actual breakdancing battle set, inspired that one, the human scissor,
Speaker 3: the rub my head on the ground like a mop.
Speaker 3: These are awesome seminoles. I know so specifically too, the
Speaker 3: she really did. I was like, get that ray Gun,
Speaker 3: go ahead, go ahead, make a mockery of it.
Speaker 1: The organ Zoo had a great TikTok sound like my mother.
Speaker 1: I saw a lovely TikTok that you would enjoy. But
Speaker 1: the organ Zoo took Zoo clips of her Olympic breakdancing performance,
Speaker 1: and so obviously she did the kangaroo move, but they
Speaker 1: took each move from the performance and showed a kangaroo
Speaker 1: doing a very similar operation wow, and just sort of
Speaker 1: cut them together back and forth like Raygun the kangaroo.
Speaker 1: Raygun the kangaroo is beautiful. I would give the kangaroo
Speaker 1: a ten out of ten.
Speaker 2: I like the end of usual Suspects where it's all
Speaker 2: coming together and ray Gun was like cooling things, but
Speaker 2: it was all just from kangaroos.
Speaker 1: I mean he thinks about it. Should she should get
Speaker 1: extra points for it being you know, Australian nationalism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like, oh, my moves are mark I
Speaker 3: do Marsupial based movements and I think that's what people
Speaker 3: need to look at through that lens and analyze my
Speaker 3: dancing from there.
Speaker 1: About the culture of break dancing, it's unique to the
Speaker 1: to the area where the dancing is occurring. So in Australia,
Speaker 1: just kangaroo moves.
Speaker 3: That's exactly.
Speaker 1: That's like, is a culturally bound Yeah, right right.
Speaker 2: You would think so the break dancing community has come
Speaker 2: together to be like, leave ray Gun alone. The kangaroo community,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, are like, she's making us look
Speaker 2: fucking stupid.
Speaker 3: Drag her. Yeah, so exactly.
Speaker 1: You don't want to fuck with the kangaroo.
Speaker 3: That's a different KHive on Twitter. You don't want to have.
Speaker 2: Ever seen them trying to drown another animal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you also see those videos are like
Speaker 3: in a they're like they're trying to fuck with a dog,
Speaker 3: and then they're like adult like human comes around, like
Speaker 3: just pushes them over and like the fuck out of here, kangaroo.
Speaker 3: And I always thought they could. I mean, I hear
Speaker 3: you don't want to fight them, but cartoons have conditioned
Speaker 3: me to believe you do not want to box one
Speaker 3: of these motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: Ever, watch out for the kicks because they've got rid
Speaker 2: of toenails like me, like me, exactly, Miles. We are
Speaker 2: thrilled to be joined in our third seats by a
Speaker 2: journalist who's been published in plays like The Guardian Enslaved.
Speaker 2: You probably already follow her on Twitter at Socialist dog
Speaker 2: Mom for her in depth investigative work on white supremacist,
Speaker 2: neo Nazis and hate groups in the US. Her new
Speaker 2: podcast for cool Zone is Weird Little Guys, Please welcome.
Speaker 1: Molly can't glad to be here.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was weird to do that when we were
Speaker 3: just talking, so let's well pretend I didn't just scream
Speaker 3: my way, but anyway, what's up? Thank you for joining us. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm pumped about it.
Speaker 2: The show is so good. Weird little guys. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: well we're gonna get into it. That the timing, Like
Speaker 2: I'm just curious to hear how it felt as the
Speaker 2: entire Democratic Party kind of coalesced around the messaging of
Speaker 2: like what if we called these guys weird? Like as
Speaker 2: your podcast is about to come out basically making that point.
Speaker 1: I mean like cynically, that's marketing you couldn't engineer, right,
Speaker 1: that's the SEO on that is beautiful. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, like you know, people are like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: just aping democratic messaging. It's like I don't. First of all,
Speaker 1: this is this is my first job in you know,
Speaker 1: in audio media. But so maybe people don't know. But
Speaker 1: the production cycle on this show, like if we could
Speaker 1: turn around a whole show from the day Tim Waltz
Speaker 1: called him weird, Like the trailer came out like two
Speaker 1: days later, Like do you think, right, do you think
Speaker 1: the art department mocked us up yesterday?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like take like two three hours is about here.
Speaker 3: And nobody could have thought of like that way to
Speaker 3: describe these weird dudes.
Speaker 1: Like now I have been saying that for literal years
Speaker 1: and that's that's why the show's called that, right, He's
Speaker 1: like in a meeting months ago, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: we're sort of talking about production of the show. Is
Speaker 1: like a regular like work business meeting, and I just
Speaker 1: can't help myself. I'm always looking at a weird little guy.
Speaker 1: So I'm you know, interjecting, you know, how is everybody's
Speaker 1: day going whatever he's doing, And I'm like, you, guys,
Speaker 1: I just found the weirdest little guy. And so if
Speaker 1: you wrote it down her little notebook, and that's why
Speaker 1: it's the name of the show.
Speaker 3: Because like I always like, yeah, yeah, the only way
Speaker 3: to only way to describe it, only way to describe
Speaker 3: it amazing.
Speaker 2: All right, We're going to get into the show, the
Speaker 2: weird little guys, all of it, but first we do
Speaker 2: like to get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 2: by asking you questions such as, Molly Conger, what is
Speaker 2: something from your search history that is revealing about who
Speaker 2: you are besides your Social Security number?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my search history is sort of a land
Speaker 1: of troubling contrasts, right, Like, So, in the course of
Speaker 1: writing my show and doing my research in my day
Speaker 1: to day work, the things I'm googling are disgusting and
Speaker 1: upsetting and weird, like you know, like this week, I've
Speaker 1: been googling a lot about like the Rhodesian Bush War
Speaker 1: and like war crimes in colonial Africa. That's not fun,
Speaker 1: that's not about me. Spoiler for this week's episode of
Speaker 1: the show. I had to look at a lot of
Speaker 1: websites about like a particular genre of like really degrading
Speaker 1: an abusive fetish porn that was for work, let's be clear, right.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 1: Oh god, this one's grows. I threw up, like threw up.
Speaker 3: Wow, Oh God? Does that are you?
Speaker 2: Is that usual? Is this the first that has made
Speaker 2: you throw?
Speaker 5: It? Was?
Speaker 1: What I saw was not good.
Speaker 3: It's not okay, okay.
Speaker 1: In terms of in terms of things that I'm googling them.
Speaker 3: You'll have to tune in. But no.
Speaker 1: I've also recently done some in depth research about the
Speaker 1: best kind of small hats you can get for a dog,
Speaker 1: because my dogs have their birthday recently and this you know,
Speaker 1: they have birthday hats. They have cowboy hats, and they
Speaker 1: have like a little pink princess hat. But I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, this year, you need crowns and I don't
Speaker 1: want some flimsy piece of shit plastic dog crowns. So
Speaker 1: I really dug in and did some googling about small
Speaker 1: princess crowns for dogs, and I got ready.
Speaker 3: Ones made of precious metals and stones.
Speaker 1: Oh it's made out of like cheap metal, but it's
Speaker 1: better than plastic, you know. Yeah, it's durable, fake pearls,
Speaker 1: you know, very different.
Speaker 7: You have dogs that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they
Speaker 7: and they're like I've I've had pets but that I've
Speaker 7: tried to dress in the past, and some just will
Speaker 7: not have it.
Speaker 3: They are patient with the headwear.
Speaker 1: They don't love the hats, but an outfit they love
Speaker 1: an outfit.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, right, once they see themselves in the mirror,
Speaker 2: they're like worth.
Speaker 1: It, right, I think because they know, like, whatever is
Speaker 1: happening to me, everyone around me is loving it. I'm
Speaker 1: being pretty much everyone is so into what's happening right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: Like a couple of years ago, we did something I
Speaker 1: called dog Tober where every day of October I took
Speaker 1: pictures of them in different costumes. So I do own
Speaker 1: like forty dog costumes.
Speaker 3: What's the weirdest one you got?
Speaker 1: Well, the lobster is my favorite because they just look
Speaker 1: so crazed with the little lobster antennas, like right right, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they have those long bodies, they do look like lobster.
Speaker 1: I love the lobster.
Speaker 3: Wow, I need to look that up. Lobster Wiener dog costumes.
Speaker 1: Buck looks great. And his lion costume the panda bear.
Speaker 1: I don't love the purple octopus a classic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lion costume is the most that
Speaker 2: my dog, dearly departed Finny ever communicated that like fuck
Speaker 2: you to me. He was so furious, he was like
Speaker 2: shaking it off his head and it was just a
Speaker 2: battle of wills.
Speaker 1: Sometimes find it very degrading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like I think he rolled
Speaker 2: his eyes at me, right, and then you're like, bro, without.
Speaker 3: This, you're fucking naked. You look ridiculous. What is something,
Speaker 3: Molly that you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: Okay, wait for it, having a little treat. I subscribe
Speaker 1: to something I call the little treat lifestyle. You know,
Speaker 1: like people like, oh, you know what we should should
Speaker 1: know if if you can afford it and it's reasonable
Speaker 1: and the treat is available, you should always have a
Speaker 1: little treat. And sometimes it's like you know, an actual
Speaker 1: treat that you eat, or like a little thing that
Speaker 1: you get for yourself, Like I just got myself a
Speaker 1: really nice new pencil.
Speaker 3: I saw that. That's a Japanese that's a Uni.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did some googling about Japanese pencils.
Speaker 3: What is that point five millimeter or point?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, point five point five?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 3: Just checking, just checking, just checking.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna annotate these Nazi memoir with something precise.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, as someone who grew up going to
Speaker 3: Japan like for summer vacation and coming back with just
Speaker 3: the dopest mechanical pencils, like I would stunt on my classmates.
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, it's nice, cheap ass plastic bic. Bro,
Speaker 3: look at this shit. It's heavier than a police baton
Speaker 3: and I'm writing with it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean the engineering is.
Speaker 2: Tysnically a murder weapon. You are you guys are able
Speaker 2: to use like I can't use a regular mechanical pencil
Speaker 2: without snapping that ship in half, Like, not not in half,
Speaker 2: but snapping the lead.
Speaker 3: And you're able to use finer? How many times are
Speaker 3: you clicking that thing?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: How much is the lead out when you're like like,
Speaker 3: damn it fourteen times, Jack, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think you understand the engineering that goes into the Korutoga
Speaker 1: Elite mechanical pencil.
Speaker 3: Okay, you got you got a elite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes with a diamond infused graphite. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's not breaking off Holy shit.
Speaker 3: No way is it marketed like that.
Speaker 1: That's what it says.
Speaker 3: Wow. I thought it was just my pre roll joints
Speaker 3: that were diamond infused, and now we're talking about fucking
Speaker 3: pencil led to Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, if you're struggling with your with
Speaker 1: your horrible little cheat mechanical pencil, try the cola wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'll be like.
Speaker 2: I mean I have also snapped like plastic where in
Speaker 2: half like I.
Speaker 1: Just because you're just too strong.
Speaker 2: I'm incredibly strong.
Speaker 3: You were too much of a poz would say where.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm just thinking about something stressful and then suddenly
Speaker 2: a thing snaps in my hand.
Speaker 1: Is back door bragging about your incredible grip strength?
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know, and then like the pencil speaking
Speaker 2: of diamonds turns into a fucking diamond in my hand.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Is handwriting analysis like that? Forensic is that
Speaker 3: an action. Is that a pseudo science? It's fake right? Yeah,
Speaker 3: But I feel like the one time they're like, yo,
Speaker 3: this dude, look just looking at this handwriting. He is
Speaker 3: gripping that shit way too hard and present now way
Speaker 3: too We know that based off this light handwriting and.
Speaker 2: All the just sweat pouring all over over the page.
Speaker 3: Oh no, he's got a lot.
Speaker 2: Going on, a lot of internal churn, a lot.
Speaker 3: Wait, what's another kind of treat? What's another Like, what's
Speaker 3: your sort of the framework to determine whether or not
Speaker 3: it's treat time for you?
Speaker 1: It's fives based, man, you know it's Yeah, when the
Speaker 1: opportunity for a treat arises, naturally, just go with it.
Speaker 1: Let it happen. Let the treat be part of your life. Like,
Speaker 1: was shopping at Costco recently and they had the Kirkland
Speaker 1: signature brand sweatshirt that I've been thinking about for a long.
Speaker 3: Logo blasted on the front. Yeah baby wow, and they
Speaker 3: got that black black color tone black on black, Like,
Speaker 3: I didn't need this.
Speaker 1: I didn't need this, but it's on sale and it
Speaker 1: was a treat and it was yeah, and now it's mine.
Speaker 3: And in a way like impossible to detect, like to
Speaker 3: be like we got to find someone in a Kirkland
Speaker 3: signature hoodie. They're like, good luck, motherfucker, that's Cosco Country West.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Damn I got to get one of those.
Speaker 1: I know, I got this. I got the matching sweatpants
Speaker 1: too fucking rocks.
Speaker 3: And they got a logo too cool.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah down the leg baby is.
Speaker 3: Wow, all the way up and down the lake, like
Speaker 3: one leg is consumed by the kirk ciggy logo.
Speaker 1: They have that one, but I couldn't find it, so
Speaker 1: mine just has like the small logo like near the head.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I mean I got the Kirkland fit.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, damn okay, all right right sponsored me Costco.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see you, but only as related to fashion items,
Speaker 2: the Kirkland fashion line.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Like now that I am a professional podcaster, I just
Speaker 1: I feel so much more at home, Like I can't
Speaker 1: go to office, I can't go to a job, like no,
Speaker 1: I buy all my clothes at Costco. Right, so like,
Speaker 1: thank god I'm a podcaster now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you fit right in and you're you look
Speaker 3: the part. You look the part.
Speaker 2: When my friends talk about going into an office. I
Speaker 2: spit on the ground. I can't don't even conceive of it.
Speaker 2: What would that even be?
Speaker 3: Like, They're like, I don't even have clothes I can
Speaker 3: wear in bubbling.
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing pants right now.
Speaker 3: No, none of us are. I'm wearing I'm wearing one
Speaker 3: third of a T shirt. If I actually stood up,
Speaker 3: you'd see it just covers my shoulders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this isn't from the mid chest up professional?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it looks like those like like how like
Speaker 3: someone would wear on like the like a linebacker and
Speaker 3: football in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Just h oh yeah, the little drop top.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If my belly button can't breathe neither cannot. All right,
Speaker 2: what is Molly? Something you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, so I am. I'm my struggle right now. So
Speaker 1: overrated wedding venues. I am trying to plan a wedding
Speaker 1: right now. And I don't know if you guys have
Speaker 1: spent any time in the American South, Every wedding venue
Speaker 1: used to be a fucking plantation, every single one of them.
Speaker 1: And they don't tell you it's not on the website.
Speaker 1: They're not honest about it. So I'm digging through like
Speaker 1: land use archives and the history of the building, Like,
Speaker 1: I need you to tell me, shit, did slaves build this?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Because they will tell you and everything is a fucking barn.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get married in a barn.
Speaker 5: Question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was this the venue for unspeakable atrocities haunt my marriage?
Speaker 1: For professional portraits made of my entire family? Like in
Speaker 1: front of the lynching tree? That's not the vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, wait, so have you like I'm guessing like
Speaker 3: some places been like and we're just an old traditional
Speaker 3: house like here in Virginia, and then you've actually had
Speaker 3: to go through like old records and' like hold on,
Speaker 3: I just found the thing that basically it bears all
Speaker 3: truths that this was an actual plant, a working plantation.
Speaker 1: I mean, thankfully, you know, doing the research, getting weird,
Speaker 1: getting deep into the archives. That's my wheelhouse. So I'm set.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about everybody else, right right, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: need to know the providence of these bricks, okay, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Further, it's like, are these conflict bricks because we can
Speaker 3: have we can't because they don't want to be had children.
Speaker 1: They had children make the bricks because their hands were small.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want any.
Speaker 3: Part of that, right, It's like, how do you think
Speaker 3: they got the intricate thing a little thinky.
Speaker 1: Prints, Like the nail factory that used to be here
Speaker 1: in town was like staffed by enslaved children.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, well then so so no Blake Lively plantation
Speaker 3: wedding for you. That's that's that's what we're getting at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just I don't want there to be
Speaker 1: a horse there. I didn't invite a horse. I'm not
Speaker 1: getting married in a barn.
Speaker 3: So what are your options? You don't want a barn,
Speaker 3: you don't want a plantation, even an incidental horse. You're like,
Speaker 3: get that motherfucker out of here.
Speaker 1: There's no hay. There's no hay in this in this situation. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: but guys overrated, you know, like, oh, for twenty five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, you can come to our barn, get fucked.
Speaker 3: No, sure, no, no, it's like, but the horses do
Speaker 3: stay if you want the horses out, that's thirty.
Speaker 1: Grand Oh that's extra, that's extra, yeah right.
Speaker 3: Right right, right, oh my god, No, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't course hotel.
Speaker 3: I don't envy those. I know a few people who
Speaker 3: are trying to get wedding things together and just remembering
Speaker 3: my own distress I encountered. I was like, no, no, don't.
Speaker 3: I don't miss that. I don't miss that.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to plan my own birthday party.
Speaker 1: Why why is this my problem so overread? The entire
Speaker 1: industry a disaster?
Speaker 2: Don't want to is that because people used to be
Speaker 2: into the idea that it was like a plantation, and
Speaker 2: so that's like a remnant from an older time or
Speaker 2: it's just like everything with plantations back then.
Speaker 1: So they're just like, I mean, it's for Virginia. So
Speaker 1: a lot of our large, beautiful old buildings, right, didn't
Speaker 1: get constructed ethically, But I think that's part of it too,
Speaker 1: where there was that sort of like mid twentieth century
Speaker 1: fascination with Antebellum Southern culture.
Speaker 3: Right, so that was to draw yeah, right exactly, it's like,
Speaker 3: well ignore, just just focus on like the glitz and
Speaker 3: glamour of it, and then we can have a good time.
Speaker 1: It was a farm, Oh who was farming?
Speaker 5: Far?
Speaker 3: They sound like cotton or something. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think like the king was cotton or something. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I can't I didn't read the whole thing,
Speaker 3: but kind of murky, move.
Speaker 2: It along, move it along. All right, let's take a
Speaker 2: quick break and we're gonna come back and talk some
Speaker 2: weird little guys.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, and we're back and yeah.
Speaker 2: So just to kind of give people an introduction, although
Speaker 2: everybody should just go listen to episode zero, where you
Speaker 2: do a beautiful job of giving an introduction to the
Speaker 2: premise of the show. But one of the ideas is
Speaker 2: that these people who you know, organize the Unite the
Speaker 2: Right rally in Charlottesville, stage domestic terrorism, storm the Capitol
Speaker 2: on January sixth, They are associated with these big ideas
Speaker 2: and huge historical trends, but ultimately they often turn out
Speaker 2: to be just some guy you compared to the end
Speaker 2: of a Scooby Doo episode, except Scooby Doo doesn't have
Speaker 2: the courage or run time to then like spend an
Speaker 2: hour digging into the weird backstories of the people under
Speaker 2: the masks.
Speaker 3: But you do.
Speaker 2: You tell us what the fuck is going on with
Speaker 2: these people, and it's it's endlessly entertaining. Is there an
Speaker 2: example that you use to explain the premise of your
Speaker 2: show to someone who asks, like what your podcast is about.
Speaker 1: Oh man, they should have prepared me better for this marketing.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: No, but like you said, the idea is that they're
Speaker 1: all just these kind of sad little freaks, and they
Speaker 1: want us to believe that they're like the second coming
Speaker 1: of Hitler, right, that they're mighty and powerful and impressive
Speaker 1: and you should be very scared of them.
Speaker 2: And that is a compliment that gets like thrown around there,
Speaker 2: like people are like, this person might be the second
Speaker 2: coming of Hitler, and that's good, and that's.
Speaker 3: What he wants.
Speaker 1: He wants you to think like, oh, it's this powerful monster.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. Like the things that they did
Speaker 1: are not serious, right, Like you know the end of
Speaker 1: an episode of Scooby Doo when they unmask the you know,
Speaker 1: the caretaker who's been haunting the mansion, like he still
Speaker 1: did what they think the monster did. He said, a monster.
Speaker 1: He's just the weird old caretaker, right.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: So, I mean I don't want to spoil any future episodes,
Speaker 1: but for the two episodes that are out now, you know,
Speaker 1: the first one was an exploration of Kevin Strome. He
Speaker 1: was a member of the neo Nazi group National Alliance.
Speaker 1: And you know, he thinks of himself as this sort
Speaker 1: of learned intellectual of race science and race purity, and
Speaker 1: he mixed this little show every week since the nineties.
Speaker 1: And he's pedophile, right, he has been to Britain for childborn,
Speaker 1: and he's his commitment to racial purity is so extreme
Speaker 1: that he won't let the foods on his plate intermingle
Speaker 1: because that's too much like race mixing.
Speaker 3: Oh wait for yeah, okay, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like you can't book Gravey on mashed potatoes because that's
Speaker 1: misagenation of flavors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, the freaks. I do the normal thing. I
Speaker 3: put in a little teacup and I and I sip
Speaker 3: it while I have a one bite after I fully
Speaker 3: swallowed the mashed potatoes. But I mean, like to your point, right,
Speaker 3: Like whenever we hear about these like violent plots or
Speaker 3: these groups that have like you know, acted out like
Speaker 3: all kinds of wild violence in physical space, like we
Speaker 3: create this image in our mind of like some fucking
Speaker 3: master criminal like with no soul that if like we
Speaker 3: saw on the street, we would immediately be like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, run in the opposite direction. This person is
Speaker 3: fucking scary and they're dangerous, and like, clearly it's clear
Speaker 3: that all these guys are like not even close to
Speaker 3: being some kind of cloaked Marvel super villain, and like
Speaker 3: we would run in the opposite direction if we saw
Speaker 3: them on the street because they're literal just fucking creeps.
Speaker 3: What do you think is like the like, obviously there's
Speaker 3: a power to demystifying our sort of like reflexive tendency
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, this person, because like what they're
Speaker 3: into is so odious and dangerous that they themselves it
Speaker 3: must be dangerous. But like it's clear that you find
Speaker 3: there's a way to sort of by taking the curtain back,
Speaker 3: we're able to just sort of reckon with these kinds
Speaker 3: of characters or you know, not characters, human beings and
Speaker 3: like a much more objective but while also being like, look,
Speaker 3: these aren't the kinds of people who are like absolute
Speaker 3: like these masterminds that we do need to fear. Is
Speaker 3: that sort of part of it? I know at one
Speaker 3: point you said, it's not about it's about understanding the creeps,
Speaker 3: like in every facet of our lives that they do exist, right, And.
Speaker 1: I think you know, on a broadle broader social level,
Speaker 1: just you know, emotionally understanding that this isn't some sort
Speaker 1: of amorphous onto logical evil is empowering, right because like, right,
Speaker 1: you can't fight a monster. That's disempowering. It feels like, well,
Speaker 1: this is just this is something we can't change. There
Speaker 1: there are monsters in the world, and it's just a guy.
Speaker 1: It's just a guy who's afraid to talk to women,
Speaker 1: right right, It's a guy who got a free sex
Speaker 1: doll head because he complained to the fucking customer support.
Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, okay, huh, that's weird. But he's
Speaker 3: making bombs too, Yeah, well yeah he is, right, like.
Speaker 1: He knows how to make a pipe bomb, but like
Speaker 1: he's fucking a used sex.
Speaker 3: Doll, right right, You're like, yeah, not now, it's now
Speaker 3: it's giving me the creeps in a completely different way,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The episode about the Civil War reenactment false flag is
Speaker 2: so wild. But before before we get into the details
Speaker 2: of that, I do just want to talk about this
Speaker 2: idea of weirdness because it has become the focus for
Speaker 2: the Democrats and the presidential campaign. And it happened as
Speaker 2: you're preparing to launch a show focused on the weirdness
Speaker 2: of right wing fascists, their policies, their personalities. What was
Speaker 2: it that made you focus in on weird Like based
Speaker 2: on the content, it feels like it just naturally took
Speaker 2: you in that direction. But first of all, what was
Speaker 2: it like to have that emerge as like a central
Speaker 2: Democrat talking point? And do you have an opinion on
Speaker 2: how they're doing with regards to calling it out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think arriving at the idea that, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about these guys in the context of their idiosyncrasies
Speaker 1: and their their weirdness, the fact that they're out of
Speaker 1: step with the world arose naturally for me, right Like,
Speaker 1: I'm researching these guys in the context of domestic terrorism
Speaker 1: and trying to understand that, and something I keep coming
Speaker 1: across is like everything about the way they engage with
Speaker 1: the world is weird, right, Like, it's not just their
Speaker 1: ideas about race, their ideas about the Jews, or their
Speaker 1: ideas about how political power should be achieved mainly through violence.
Speaker 1: That's not separate from the fact that they're just weird.
Speaker 1: On a personal level, these things are intertwined, Like they
Speaker 1: have all these ideas about, you know, whether women should
Speaker 1: be able to vote because they just have weird ideas
Speaker 1: about how the world works, and so that was sort
Speaker 1: of a natural progression for me and I think, you know, separately,
Speaker 1: the Democrats have recently arrived at the same place that
Speaker 1: like their weird personal lives and the weird shit they
Speaker 1: want to do to your personal life are obviously related.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It feels like for the longest time, like prior to this,
Speaker 3: like we were using very like academic terms to like
Speaker 3: accurately describe like their ideologies. So it's like, well, they're
Speaker 3: these are ethno nationalists, these are proto fascist model, like
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And like it does in
Speaker 3: a way it clearly identifies like where their you know,
Speaker 3: political might how like where their ideologies lie in terms
Speaker 3: of like a political spectrum. But the weird sort of
Speaker 3: cuts through that to not only be like, well it
Speaker 3: is weird to already be so like ant like like
Speaker 3: the race mixing is terrible. It's like what are you
Speaker 3: a fucking civil war ghost? Like what the fuck are
Speaker 3: we talking about? But the weirdness it does sort of
Speaker 3: in a way help sort of cut through. I think
Speaker 3: of these like sort of very academic terms that are
Speaker 3: used to accurately describe them and really sort of remind
Speaker 3: people of like maybe what is sort of what we
Speaker 3: consider normal for the most part in terms of like
Speaker 3: it's not being obsessed with people's genitals, it's not being
Speaker 3: obsessed with like children's genitals. It's not a being obsessed
Speaker 3: with like, you know, miscegenation or whatever these things are,
Speaker 3: that these are all like all of these things that
Speaker 3: they believe are weird are actually normal. And now it's
Speaker 3: it is actually them now that has crossed over into
Speaker 3: this space. So I feel like that was sort of
Speaker 3: like the one thing that I was like, Oh, I
Speaker 3: think it's it's able to connect in a much easier
Speaker 3: way for people because it's much more conversational. But it
Speaker 3: does feel like a little bit I'm sure you're a
Speaker 3: bit frustrated to someone who's been reporting on this for
Speaker 3: a long time not to be not necessarily that it's
Speaker 3: like the Democrats, but that the warnings about being like
Speaker 3: these people are dangerous wasn't sort of enough until it's like, oh, wait,
Speaker 3: they're weird.
Speaker 1: We're getting a ratings bump from being interested in this,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know, betterly than never. Sure, it's a
Speaker 1: weird coincidence. But I think the reason it cuts to
Speaker 1: the quick so badly for them, the reason it's like
Speaker 1: so shockingly hurtful to them to be called weird, is
Speaker 1: because their whole ethos is that we are the arbiters
Speaker 1: of what is acceptable and what is normal, and we
Speaker 1: want to return to this nineteen fifties Norman Rockwell painting
Speaker 1: of imagined American life, and that's what's normal. And so
Speaker 1: you're the ones that are weird for you know, continuing
Speaker 1: to move forward in a society that progresses with time, right,
Speaker 1: and so saying like, actually that that's not normal, you're
Speaker 1: the weird one. You're the weird one. It undercuts their
Speaker 1: their belief about, you know, their reason to exist.
Speaker 2: And they their personal lives so often fall completely out
Speaker 2: of line with that ethos that they claim to like
Speaker 2: they are. It's in line with it, but it's just
Speaker 2: like a weird When you first encounter they're like, well,
Speaker 2: all I care about is families, and then you see
Speaker 2: like the strange direction that spins off into and then
Speaker 2: you look at their personal lives, it's I don't know,
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess it's unexpected at first, and then
Speaker 2: it's like totally expected once you take the time to
Speaker 2: think about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the it's you know, it's spoiler for
Speaker 1: this week's episode, but like, you know, these guys who
Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, traditional white values and
Speaker 1: Western civilization and you know, restructuring society so that we
Speaker 1: have you know, traditional Western values. One of the guys
Speaker 1: in this terror cell was making degrading hardcore pornography, and
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not that's not the world you're talking
Speaker 1: about building, right right?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean from your perspective, from like looking
Speaker 3: at all these people for years, and you know, even
Speaker 3: like this latest episode with the Civil War reenactor, Like,
Speaker 3: is it that they're just that they're sort of repressing
Speaker 3: some dimension of who they are and that's that's manifesting
Speaker 3: them in like this like externalized hatred of people that
Speaker 3: like might intersect with their own like weird interests or
Speaker 3: feelings or how do you sort of look at these
Speaker 3: people sort of through the prism of like what they're espousing,
Speaker 3: but also the context of like their personal lives, Like
Speaker 3: how like how do those things or interact like in
Speaker 3: terms of like how you've how you've looked at these people.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's a question for a psychologists. I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes these sometimes these manifestations are like a desire to control.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of fascists they want to control society
Speaker 1: just the way they want to control their wife or
Speaker 1: their children. And so for a lot of pedophiles, it's
Speaker 1: about the exertion of control over a powerless victim, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of what they want to do to society.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't think the cognitive dissonance
Speaker 1: matters to them at all. Like you know, you see
Speaker 1: a lot of white supremacists with Latino wives like that
Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance is irrelevant to them, right, So like there's
Speaker 1: no making sense of it as a psychological drive. It
Speaker 1: just the rules don't apply to me. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to do this to society.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because psychology is like not a thing. It's not
Speaker 2: even like the concepts in their head. They're just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is what I do, like my shadow self, the
Speaker 2: are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I mean, like maybe maybe we can like necromance Freud
Speaker 1: and get him to take a look at this. Like
Speaker 1: for years I had this Nazi cyberstalker who would send
Speaker 1: me these messages that were like really graphically about like
Speaker 1: sexual fantasies involving feces. Yeah, and it's like that that
Speaker 1: doesn't involve me, right, right, maybe you should talk talk too,
Speaker 1: sithm Freud about that, like you're stuck in the anal
Speaker 1: development stage or something. I don't know, so mixed bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, but I feel like historians, like
Speaker 2: or at least the History Channel like kind of does
Speaker 2: it with Hitler, right, Like Hitler behind Closed Doors is
Speaker 2: not this amorphous ontological evil, right, He's driven by very
Speaker 2: strange demons and a lot of scatological you know shit.
Speaker 2: And then but then I feel like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it popped in my head when you were talking about
Speaker 2: Richard Spencer, like when he first came on the scene
Speaker 2: years ago, and it felt like the mainstream media was
Speaker 2: like into him, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, They're like, oh, finally, like a handsome, well
Speaker 1: spoken Nazi and a yeah guy we can put on
Speaker 1: TV right.
Speaker 2: Because he want Yeah, they want a Nazi. That is
Speaker 2: like central casting of a fascist in a non comedy movie.
Speaker 2: But when you look at them, it's just doctor Strange
Speaker 2: loves all the way down right, just time after time,
Speaker 2: It's like, nah, they have like weird suppressed urges and
Speaker 2: repressed repressed ideas that are like bursting out of them
Speaker 2: in these strange ways, but it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the real Richard Spencer is the Richard Spencer in
Speaker 1: that leaked audio from the evening of Unite the Rights,
Speaker 1: Like the rally got canceled they didn't get to give
Speaker 1: their speeches because there was a terrorist event, and he
Speaker 1: was so mad that he didn't get to give his speech.
Speaker 1: He's like purple in the face, screaming about how like
Speaker 1: they don't get to do this to me, they don't
Speaker 1: get to do this to me, and he starts busting
Speaker 1: out racial slurs that you would have to look up
Speaker 1: in a dictionary, like I think he called someone an
Speaker 1: octoroon or something like.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah wow, taking it all the way back,
Speaker 3: but just like that.
Speaker 1: Sort of petulant, childish rage, like you could put a
Speaker 1: suit and tie on a Nazi, but he's still just
Speaker 1: an angry little guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, because I think so many
Speaker 3: of these people have like very similar, like the similar
Speaker 3: themes in their lives which are there operating in this
Speaker 3: bizarre parallel reality. But when they're like forced to reconcile
Speaker 3: their perceived world and the one they actually live in.
Speaker 3: They just go deeper into the into the void because
Speaker 3: it's just that like that recond like that sort of
Speaker 3: dissonance is like too much. It's like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: And now they like sort of increasingly become more hell
Speaker 3: bent on bringing their fantasy world to life like upon
Speaker 3: the rest of us. And it's like when they inevitably
Speaker 3: fail and realize they don't have the power or means
Speaker 3: to create the world, they typically will just resort to
Speaker 3: violence or destruction because if I can't make something, then
Speaker 3: I can destroy it. And either way, like I think,
Speaker 3: there's just that feeling of powerlessness that has to be addressed,
Speaker 3: and this sort.
Speaker 1: Of direction construction of this alternate reality. It just keeps
Speaker 1: coming up sort of recurring theme in these stories that
Speaker 1: I'm telling, Like I think this guy left out of
Speaker 1: episode one, but after Kevin Strome was arrested for possession
Speaker 1: of child pornography. He so he was the webmaster for
Speaker 1: a neo Nazi group, so he knew how to use
Speaker 1: the internet, right he was. He was an internet guy,
Speaker 1: you know, from the nineties, so early internet adopter. And
Speaker 1: he made a website that convincingly looked like an actual
Speaker 1: local news outlet, and he peppered in like real local
Speaker 1: news stories, stuff about the weather, stuff about you know,
Speaker 1: just like local goings on. But like every third article
Speaker 1: on this fake newspaper website was about how we actually
Speaker 1: Kevin Strome isn't a pervert.
Speaker 3: In other news?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what, like this guy really not bad.
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, it's the exact same thing, like
Speaker 3: even with the Civil Warrior guy like also creating fake
Speaker 3: news articles like that, but he was such a boomer.
Speaker 3: He's like cutting and pasting shit onto physical paper and
Speaker 3: then xeroxing it and be like you've seen in this
Speaker 3: article and it's like what sharing it with like a
Speaker 3: teenager he's working with. Yeah, he's like okay.
Speaker 1: Man this to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Sniper's got a bunch of people. It's like
Speaker 3: what newspapers. That doesn't matter. Man, it happened. It happened
Speaker 3: you too, huh yeah yeah, but it but it is
Speaker 3: like this very weird And then like even like this
Speaker 3: the sex doll thing, like it's a like there's just
Speaker 3: about creating like insulating themselves truly in like this world
Speaker 3: of half truths or total fabrications to kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's very.
Speaker 1: They want they want to live in a cigarette ad
Speaker 1: from a nineteen fifty five issue of Good Housekeeping, Like
Speaker 1: the world you're imagining was never real, Like not only
Speaker 1: can you go back to it, it was never real.
Speaker 1: Like that was on queludes, right exactly.
Speaker 2: She's so high that mom, I'm serving that turkey, Like
Speaker 2: that turkey is not in the middle. Yeah, yeah, she
Speaker 2: is out of her mind. Yeah, let's take a quick
Speaker 2: break and we'll come back. And I just want to
Speaker 2: talk a few of the details about the subjects of
Speaker 2: your first couple episodes, because they are absolute bangers.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 3: We're back.
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the Civil War Reenact
Speaker 2: reenactment bomb threat, which was allegedly perpetrated by Antifa, which
Speaker 2: I always hear Antifa used as this like buzzword on
Speaker 2: the right and then like Fox News stories, Yeah they
Speaker 2: love it as a boogeyman. But I had never seen
Speaker 2: like any of the details of what they think Antifa
Speaker 2: is doing. And so this story is of a Civil
Speaker 2: War reenactor group that's being threatened, and it's like not
Speaker 2: even the biggest one in the area, but it's being
Speaker 2: like repeatedly threatened and told like they have to stop
Speaker 2: or they're going to like all be murdered. And it's
Speaker 2: signed Antifa, like with this like logo that you could
Speaker 2: not official, yeah, unofficial Antifa letterhead. Yeah yeah, absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 2: And the letters are very threatening, but they also have
Speaker 2: this juvenile tone of like make believe that reminded me
Speaker 2: of this story. It was very early days of this
Speaker 2: show during Hurricane Harvey in Houston, where there were all
Speaker 2: these Facebook posts that were from the quote Harvey Loot Crew,
Speaker 2: like hashtag Harvey Loute crew, and it would be like
Speaker 2: a picture of a store that had been you know,
Speaker 2: all the stuff was off the shelves and it says
Speaker 2: we out here a Corpus Christy at the quickie store,
Speaker 2: you know, where cash and beer gone, but Munchie's left.
Speaker 2: Hashtag Hurricane Harvey, hashtag hurricane hashtag Harvey Luke crew. And
Speaker 2: it's like we just immediately were like, oh, that's these
Speaker 2: are like weird white people trying to write a character
Speaker 2: that they find scary, and you get the sense in
Speaker 2: these letters the same thing, like there's so much weird content,
Speaker 2: Like some of us have dogs and we will even
Speaker 2: throw their feces at you is like one of the
Speaker 2: things from one of.
Speaker 1: The letters, just not how I would make a threat.
Speaker 3: We are Antifa and we throw pea at people, and
Speaker 3: it's like, what.
Speaker 1: Yes, one of us is a rapist, Like yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: It's like we've got a rapist also on the team.
Speaker 3: It's like what what what is this? Like the fucking
Speaker 3: weird goon squad? But yeah, that is the version of
Speaker 3: like this organization. I guess they're trying to present to people.
Speaker 2: But I don't so eventually that it's revealed that this
Speaker 2: is in fact not Antifa, but it has because this
Speaker 2: audience that they're aiming at is so gullible and willing
Speaker 2: to believe anything like this feels like a danger that
Speaker 2: could get worse and worse as our inability to distinguish
Speaker 2: false information kind of grows more and more. Did the
Speaker 2: fact that this wasn't Antifa? Do you think that that
Speaker 2: like penetrated at all like that. I'm sure maybe the
Speaker 2: specific group that was being targeted eventually realized it was
Speaker 2: like one of their own, But like in terms of
Speaker 2: the stories that are reported on Fox News, I'm sure
Speaker 2: like the most of the people who watch Fox News
Speaker 2: think Antifa planted a bomb at a Civil War reenactment, right, right.
Speaker 1: And I think the average Fox News you were, even
Speaker 1: when confronted with the truthful resolution to this story, would say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but Antifa would do that, right, We like it says
Speaker 1: a lot about Antifa that I believed it, But that's
Speaker 1: not what happened. That's not what happened at all. But
Speaker 1: I think you know, for for Gerald, the subject of
Speaker 1: that story, he was a Confederate reenactor, he is I
Speaker 1: could say comfortably a racist, Like I read all of
Speaker 1: his Reddit posts, like he is personally a racist. And
Speaker 1: so when he wanted to frighten his former friends, who
Speaker 1: he knew were mostly also racists, he's like, what's the
Speaker 1: scariest thing to us? What can I say to them
Speaker 1: that will be so scary, Like, Oh, we're being targeted
Speaker 1: for our beliefs, right right, We're being targeted by these
Speaker 1: left wing like scary monster people just because we love
Speaker 1: history so much. And also saying the N word, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the exact big argument was that, like he
Speaker 2: wanted to be able to use the N word. He
Speaker 2: was like, that's just what it would have been at
Speaker 2: the time, and we should be able to and the
Speaker 2: fact that they're not letting us is actually the real discrimination.
Speaker 1: It's ruining everything.
Speaker 2: And like his the other Confederate reenactors were like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, man, like even they.
Speaker 3: Were really helping us here, right, yeah, And I think
Speaker 3: just even the weird part two or like that you
Speaker 3: pointed out, like the Battle of Cedar Creek, like that
Speaker 3: was a Union victory too. It's like, wouldn't they be
Speaker 3: targeting a Confederate victory if it was truly about this
Speaker 3: like ideology, like ideological attack or like.
Speaker 1: A battle that anyone's heard of, like I've never heard
Speaker 1: the Battle of Cedar Creek and I live here right.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right right, But yeah, it's just there. There's
Speaker 2: this fascinating part where you just go through like his
Speaker 2: trip Advisor reviews, like so as he's doing all this stuff,
Speaker 2: he's taking trips to your treats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does loves Europe, huh.
Speaker 2: Going to the finest dining establishments in Europe, like Burger King,
Speaker 2: five guys McDonald's, I think, and then just like leaving
Speaker 2: negative reviews for or Nazi museums for being like two PC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's the interesting thing about Gerald, Right,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know a lot of these guys are Nazis.
Speaker 1: Jerald's not like he has an interest in World War
Speaker 1: two history as like you know, a boomer American watching
Speaker 1: the History Channel. So like his problem with the Holocaust
Speaker 1: Museum in Amsterdam wasn't like that he loves Nazis. He
Speaker 1: just like wanted to see more atrocities. Yeah right, he
Speaker 1: just thought that the museum didn't show him enough.
Speaker 3: Atrocities, right, could have been more atrocity memorabilia there, but
Speaker 3: like nah.
Speaker 1: One story gore.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, truly. But I guess that's
Speaker 3: what's like so interesting too, is like on some level, right,
Speaker 3: and this is something you talk about like when I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: this guy's this fucking weirdo. He's leaving like one agro
Speaker 3: reviews about Burger King or like the Nazi Museum, but
Speaker 3: he loves the Louver in Paris. That like, in a
Speaker 3: way it feels disarming because you're like, this, what the
Speaker 3: fuck is what's this fucking guy gonna do? But at
Speaker 3: the the same time, it's not so you're not so
Speaker 3: dismissive of these people that you're like, these aren't people,
Speaker 3: aren't dangerous, but it's also being like just understand where
Speaker 3: these people are operating from. It's not necessarily like because
Speaker 3: they have these like weird interests or just have these
Speaker 3: like weird proclivities doesn't mean that they aren't presenting a
Speaker 3: similar threat. But I think it does help melt away
Speaker 3: this idea that it's like you know, fucking fanos or
Speaker 3: some shit.
Speaker 1: Right, Like he's a silly little guy who got a
Speaker 1: Poshmark account so he could buy women's panties for his
Speaker 1: sex stall, and he reviews the dunkin Donuts in his
Speaker 1: neighborhood once a month, Like he's definitely a weird little guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he did build an operational bomb that would have
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of children in the like gifts, Like
Speaker 1: the tent where the bomb was was where you buy
Speaker 1: like souvenirs and stuff, like there were kids around, and
Speaker 1: like at the bomb had gone off, like it would
Speaker 1: have killed children.
Speaker 3: Right, So, like what he did.
Speaker 1: Was was violent and frightening and evil, and like this
Speaker 1: campaign of terror against these people who wouldn't let him
Speaker 1: do civil war reenactment anymore, Like it's real and it's frightening.
Speaker 1: You should take it. But like he's not a criminal mastermind.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, he's a guy who pretends to be a
Speaker 1: cop on Reddit because it makes him feel powerful.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, that's it's like so not not like infuriating,
Speaker 3: but you know, like we obviously the threat of like
Speaker 3: domestic terror and the like, you know, a white nationalist
Speaker 3: violence is it was real and super scary, but like
Speaker 3: there's also something kind of maddening when you're like and
Speaker 3: it's this fucking guy.
Speaker 9: That's like we deserve a better enemy year, yeah, or
Speaker 9: like that you are causing so much, you're sewing so
Speaker 9: much chaos from your place of being so dissatisfied and
Speaker 9: unhappy and whatever sociopathic you know, psychopathic tendencies you have.
Speaker 3: But there's just some there's I don't know, like it's
Speaker 3: like every time I'm having a reckoning with like the
Speaker 3: actual what they're what they're trying to act out and
Speaker 3: who they are as people, and you're like, dude, this
Speaker 3: is this is the last person who probably roll up
Speaker 3: to you and try and say something to your face
Speaker 3: in public, Yet they are still I don't know. I
Speaker 3: think that's where like the Internet truly like begins to
Speaker 3: embolden people because they can have this one version that
Speaker 3: they present through their like digital avatar of themselves while
Speaker 3: also being like and then the real world version is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like I shout out to sex Doll Queens dot COM's
Speaker 3: customer service department for being really understanding that my sex
Speaker 3: doll was damaged, and you.
Speaker 1: Know, Patrese is very responsive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like the.
Speaker 2: Last that was his last post before being arrested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before the FBI like rated his house and took
Speaker 1: him away. He was just posting on a sex.
Speaker 2: All for him, right, being like with the Trece fucking rocks.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Patrese for customer service. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: there are plenty of them. Oh yeah, monthly reviews of
Speaker 2: his local dunkin Donuts. That's so wild.
Speaker 1: He loves it's high quality update.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess does that do you like?
Speaker 3: Do you see that as like another version of like
Speaker 3: trying to at least exert some form of power, like
Speaker 3: because then it's like it's review through my review I
Speaker 3: can and from my eyes, I'm doing one over, getting
Speaker 3: one over on this place that I felt wrong by.
Speaker 3: So like that's always like they're kind of look like
Speaker 3: it feels like it really goes hand in.
Speaker 1: Hand, right, like I do you think for him specifically,
Speaker 1: it is this sort of manifestation of the idea that, like,
Speaker 1: this world exists for me and it should meet my
Speaker 1: needs and it should be the way that I think
Speaker 1: it should be. And when it's not, that's, you know,
Speaker 1: a sign of a culture in decline, Like they put
Speaker 1: pickles on my whopper even though I said no, And
Speaker 1: that's because society is in decline. We no longer have
Speaker 1: traditional Western values or something.
Speaker 3: Right right, right, Yeah, pickles and onions.
Speaker 2: Only in Europe can they get that order right? On
Speaker 2: the on the wapper, he says no pickles, no onions,
Speaker 2: and every fucking time in the United States, his burger
Speaker 2: king gets it wrong. Meanwhile, Kevin is that his name,
Speaker 2: Kevin Kevin Strome. Strome disappears into the bathroom for hours
Speaker 2: at a time to take a bath and eat pickles.
Speaker 1: So I actually so his second ex wife, second ex wife, no,
Speaker 1: his first second, so his first his first, his first wife.
Speaker 1: After they got divorced, she wrote a memoir and it's
Speaker 1: been out of print for twenty years. You can't buy it.
Speaker 1: So I found a used copy of it on the internet,
Speaker 1: and I was so excited and it came and so
Speaker 1: I read this. You know, this woman's memoir of her
Speaker 1: time being married to this famous Nazi, and you know
Speaker 1: she's been through a lot, respect to her. Not well written,
Speaker 1: a little deranged, but just the little kernels of like
Speaker 1: day to day life of being married to this man.
Speaker 1: Worth the twenty bucks, Worth the twenty bucks they spent
Speaker 1: on it, especially because it was signed. So when you
Speaker 1: when you buy this book, you never know what you're getting.
Speaker 1: It says, you know, like in decent condition, there's markings inside,
Speaker 1: and so I get it. It is the copy she
Speaker 1: gave to the woman who mentored her during her conversion
Speaker 1: to Catholicism.
Speaker 3: Woow, So is she in the book? The person she
Speaker 3: like like wrote this to, like inscribed the message to
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: If she's in there my name, but there is, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of a lot of discussion of like, as she's
Speaker 1: leaving Kevin because the National Alliance is they have what's
Speaker 1: called the Cosmotheist Church. It's just like a made up,
Speaker 1: like white people religion that doesn't involve God or Jesus
Speaker 1: and it's taxing. Sure, So she's leaving National Alliance. She's
Speaker 1: leaving Cosmotheism. She's leaving Kevin, she starts seeing apparitions of
Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary, so she converts to So she converted
Speaker 1: to Catholicism. And like just an incredible, an incredible memoir.
Speaker 1: And so the pickle thing was in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hours at a time, just eating pickles in the bathtub.
Speaker 2: Like I can kind of get behind that, Like.
Speaker 1: You have three children and you're just gonna be in
Speaker 1: there for five hours eating a whole jar of pickles?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And also how big is that jar of pickles for
Speaker 3: five hours? Or what's your eating?
Speaker 1: You're swelling?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you savor every bite of a pickle, so it
Speaker 3: takes you five I mean I could eat a jar
Speaker 3: of pickles, I think in like twenty minutes easily.
Speaker 1: I think it's kidneys would enjoy that experience.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the doctors, that's their opinion. But like
Speaker 3: I heard from my friend Molly, I need a treat.
Speaker 2: I have to you need a treat, And like you
Speaker 2: heard from your friend Jack, do your own research. Okay,
Speaker 2: don't you trust the doctors? What do you you know?
Speaker 3: I don't look, what do you know? What do you oh? Sorry,
Speaker 3: you're a specialist in renal issues. I don't even know
Speaker 3: what that means, man, but my side's hurt real bad
Speaker 3: in the back whenever I eat my pickies. Help. I'm curious, like, Molly,
Speaker 3: is there what is sort of like a I guess
Speaker 3: a takeaway that you come with, take a takeaway that
Speaker 3: you arrive at after looking at these people, because you know,
Speaker 3: you've studied like really horrific shit and a lot of
Speaker 3: these events that have been at the hands of these
Speaker 3: types of people, But like, what what like what's the
Speaker 3: experience for you when you're like, of course they're a
Speaker 3: weird little guy? Is it more to not necessarily again,
Speaker 3: because it's not to sort of mitigate or minimize the
Speaker 3: threat that these people pose, but like, what is sort
Speaker 3: of the what is like the sort of message that
Speaker 3: you come away with from realizing time after time these
Speaker 3: people have such a similar kind of way of being.
Speaker 1: I think, as I've been doing nothing but writing for
Speaker 1: weeks now, kind of going insaying becoming my own weird
Speaker 1: little guy. What seems most important to me to take
Speaker 1: away from like trying to tell these sort of like
Speaker 1: brief biographical arcs of individuals is that like they are weird,
Speaker 1: but they are not aberrations, right, Like they are not
Speaker 1: one off like random mutations of the human mind that like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think in recent years, you know, we
Speaker 1: see like, oh, there's like a groper who works for
Speaker 1: your congressman. Like, what a strange aberration. This is never
Speaker 1: this is unprecedented. No, it's not. It's super precedented, right,
Speaker 1: And so like trying to situate these things in historical
Speaker 1: context for the last hundred years or so, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know. My plan is to sort of bounce back
Speaker 1: and forth between like a guy who just went to
Speaker 1: prison recently, sort of this modern weird guy, and then
Speaker 1: reach back and talk about a guy from the seventies
Speaker 1: or the eighties and sort of the Nazi group that
Speaker 1: would grow to become what's giving us today's weird guys. Right, So, like, right,
Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, hiring some weird little Nazi from the
Speaker 1: internet is not unusual. If you know that there was
Speaker 1: a scandal in the forties where some congressmen. So congressmen
Speaker 1: can send free mail, they don't have to pay postage
Speaker 1: on stuff they send to their constituents. But you know,
Speaker 1: the franking systems.
Speaker 2: Rika the job. That's why a lot of them get
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: Free mail, free mail. Maybe stamps are expensive, but there
Speaker 1: was the scandal in the forties where they were using
Speaker 1: their franking privileges. They would go on the house floor
Speaker 1: when nothing else was really happening. There's like not an
Speaker 1: important big day for bills, and they would give a
Speaker 1: speech that was Nazi propaganda. So then it's in the
Speaker 1: congressional record and then you can mail Nazi propaganda to
Speaker 1: all of your constituents for free.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, because there was a weird little fucking Nazi working
Speaker 1: for a congressman, Like this is not unprecedented. We've always
Speaker 1: been like this right just online.
Speaker 3: Now yeah, and now like then, it sort of makes
Speaker 3: it more about like what do we do about these
Speaker 3: like these things, these shadow creatures that have appeared on
Speaker 3: a nor It's like no, it's like whack a mole.
Speaker 1: But like with the weirdos and no, wow, we got
Speaker 1: to get a fourth clan act you lissies ys Grant
Speaker 1: and not go far enough.
Speaker 2: Right exactly Jesus Well, Molly Congres, I can't wait to
Speaker 2: listen to the next episode and just yeah, you know
Speaker 2: future episodes. I particularly the little crumb, the little nugget
Speaker 2: you gave us on Timothy McVeigh and the song Bad Company.
Speaker 2: He comes up a couple of different places, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he the obsessive way he only listened to that song
Speaker 2: is terrifying. It's like one of the strangest instances of
Speaker 2: human behavior where you just kind of have to be like, huh,
Speaker 2: how interesting, and.
Speaker 1: Like maybe it doesn't even mean anything, right, Like we
Speaker 1: all have our idiosyncrasies, and once you commit a major
Speaker 1: active domestic terror, they all look suspect in retrospect. But
Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe you just really love Bad Company by
Speaker 1: the band Bad Company from their album.
Speaker 3: From Bad Me have that company Bad Company. Maybe he
Speaker 3: just loves like those He's like, I call that a trifecta. Man.
Speaker 3: If you've got a titular track with the band name
Speaker 3: from and it's on the album, that's what that's.
Speaker 1: Fucking don't I don't know what the bass is like
Speaker 1: in a Sherman tank, Like maybe it just felt good.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, right, right, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Some of the other people who were in there with
Speaker 2: him must have. I can't imagine, although I can kind
Speaker 2: of emt like my kids are currently really into do
Speaker 2: you know who Perry Grip is? He's like from the
Speaker 2: band the Nerf Herders. It's like children.
Speaker 1: Children's music. They did the Buffy theme song.
Speaker 3: Okay, well he does children's music. He does it's a cat,
Speaker 3: post buffys a toilet.
Speaker 2: It's a cat, and they're singing to that. They're listening
Speaker 2: to that repeatedly and like over this weekend as I
Speaker 2: was like thinking about the Timothy McVay thing from your show.
Speaker 2: So don't think about, like dad, what's wrong. It's a
Speaker 2: catush the toilet, it's a cat.
Speaker 1: Just think about Ellaheim City.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Molly Conger, what a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all
Speaker 2: that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, my show's on Coolzone Media. It's on the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio network and you can subscribe, subscribe to it wherever
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, and I hope that you will
Speaker 1: do that. Maybe leave me a review that's not weird.
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of like race science reviews.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We need the reviews.
Speaker 2: We need the normal, the normies out there reviewing.
Speaker 3: Someone started doing amazing some one star.
Speaker 1: Reviews from guys who think I'm being unfair to white men,
Speaker 1: which yes, I hope to continue to do that, right,
Speaker 1: got some some cool weird guys coming up. But you
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Socialist dog Mom and
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of it.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 1: I occasionally host episodes of It Could Happen here, also
Speaker 1: a cool Zone show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just out here online out here. Is there
Speaker 2: a work of media that you've been enjoying a tweet
Speaker 2: or otherwise? Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, No, I've only been consuming newspaper articles from the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. Oh I recently read some congressional testimony from
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, very intriguing. You'll have to wait two
Speaker 1: weeks to hear about that on my show though. So No,
Speaker 1: the media I'm consuming is not normal, and I would
Speaker 1: not recommend it.
Speaker 3: Stay a Stay a.
Speaker 5: Miles.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Is there a workI media
Speaker 2: you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 3: You can find Jack and I on the basketball podcast
Speaker 3: Miles with Jackot Mad Boosties. You can also find me
Speaker 3: on the latest episode of Black People Love Paramore, where
Speaker 3: I'm on there talking about rat beefs and just it's
Speaker 3: been a while I haven't really had an ability to
Speaker 3: really get through all of my feelings with different rat beefs.
Speaker 3: So this is a perfect opportunity for that. Check out
Speaker 3: that episode, the latest episode of Black People Love.
Speaker 1: Paramore and is there're more than one beef going on
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: I think we're just talking generally like we're going through
Speaker 3: some of them, from Biggie to jay Z and Naas
Speaker 3: to you know, n w A and Iceke all of
Speaker 3: that up to Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 1: I'm more that Kendrick is overshadowing some other current beef.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, it's yeah,
Speaker 3: the Kendrick Lamar. I don't know, man, that this that
Speaker 3: the beef though definitely took over my mind as someone
Speaker 3: who's from Los Angeles, I definitely spent a lot of
Speaker 3: time talking about that. But anyway, check me out there.
Speaker 3: I don't have a work of social media because I've
Speaker 3: been I was, I was out taking a break, so
Speaker 3: I don't like to look at the social media that
Speaker 3: often to give myself a bit of a brain reset.
Speaker 3: But you know what I did watch. I've just been
Speaker 3: watching that that that show Presumed Innocent, that Jake Jillenhall show,
Speaker 3: which is wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's again, you watch it all right, I'm the
Speaker 2: fourth recommendation.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm on the last episode of it, and
Speaker 3: it's it's pretty good. I would say. The one thing
Speaker 3: was like I was, I was amazed that it's just
Speaker 3: wild to see how many actors like who aren't from
Speaker 3: America that are playing Americans all the time. Like like
Speaker 3: one of the like the one of the black characters
Speaker 3: who plays the da is like from England. The judge
Speaker 3: who's a black woman is like from Switzerland. Ruth Nega
Speaker 3: who is plays Jillen Hall's wife, she's Irish. I was like, Irish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Surprised that's not in Trump's twenty twenty four platform, right,
Speaker 1: like bring back American jobs.
Speaker 3: These are these are black jobs. These are the black
Speaker 3: jobs I'm talking about, even if nothing's safe even for them.
Speaker 3: They were doing it. The Australians were taking the white
Speaker 3: people jobs, and now the black people acting jobs are
Speaker 3: all gone. They're all gone. So yeah, I've just been
Speaker 3: watching that and it's Peter Sar's Guard will always make
Speaker 3: I will always be suspicious of Peter Sar's Guard whenever
Speaker 3: I see him on the screen. So there's that.
Speaker 2: It's got a very unnerving presence.
Speaker 3: He could because he's got like like Malcols like Malkovich energy,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's Dylan is looking Scars Guards.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah, Sars. That's the only part
Speaker 3: Stars Guard that guy, not the Scars Guards. The thing
Speaker 3: different Scandinavian acting family. Yeah, the one that's married to
Speaker 3: Maggie Jillenhaller was married to.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what wor scarguard the thing that you
Speaker 2: put on a cut to make sure that it doesn't
Speaker 2: get scarred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the SEO was all fucked up for them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so shame.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrian.
Speaker 2: Somebody retweeted the reaction of test audiences while watching the
Speaker 2: chestburster scene in Ridley Scott's Alien, and everybody's like, oh gross,
Speaker 2: like screaming, and then Robert Evans from Cool Zone zoomed
Speaker 2: in on this one guy, like guy with a beard
Speaker 2: and long hair who's just got this facial expression that's
Speaker 2: like yeah, man, all right.
Speaker 3: He just tweeted, Hell yeah, brother, this is from the
Speaker 3: eighties Test audiences seventy nine. Wow, Wow, why I.
Speaker 1: Just feel like receiving that even knowing it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: We've got you go react. But yeah, he's made a
Speaker 1: stronger stuff stronger.
Speaker 9: Yea.
Speaker 1: We're just like a bunch of seventies dish weed.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, rightah yeah, it's like yeah, it's like the
Speaker 3: movie version of like when you're listening to music and
Speaker 3: you're like, damn, this is like kind of a band,
Speaker 3: you know, like when you hear a band you didn't
Speaker 3: know you were trying to hear, and you hear and
Speaker 3: you're like all right, like yeah, that's the social expression this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: chess burst. It finally feel seen.
Speaker 1: It awoke something in him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyways, we will link off to that in the footnotes.
Speaker 2: The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts.
Speaker 2: Wait no, I didn't do the thing anyways. You can
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Speaker 2: the information that we talked about in today's episode, as
Speaker 2: well as the song we think you might enjoy miles,
Speaker 2: did you hear any music while you were off that
Speaker 2: you think the people might enjoy?
Speaker 3: I did? I mean it's I'm a bit behind on
Speaker 3: the trends. This like music video was doing big numbers
Speaker 3: on YouTube. It's by this rapper from Kerala, India who
Speaker 3: goes by Hanumankind. The track is called Big Dogs awgs
Speaker 3: that's how they put big Dogs. But the video is dope.
Speaker 3: The beat instrumental is fucking it's it's wago, it's fire,
Speaker 3: it's crazy. The wrapping, you know, it's it's fine. The
Speaker 3: production of the visuals were so good, you know, the wrapping.
Speaker 3: I could go either way on but I think it's
Speaker 3: a track we're listening to because it's just like we're
Speaker 3: just check the video out. It's super fun. It's Big
Speaker 3: Dogs by Hanuman Kind. I know I'm late, or at
Speaker 3: least probably younger people in your life would be like, dude,
Speaker 3: you're so fucking late. Well guess what ten days old?
Speaker 3: What is wrong with you?
Speaker 6: My god?
Speaker 3: Dude, are you dead? All right?
Speaker 2: We'll link off to the video on the footnotes. The
Speaker 2: guys the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts for my.
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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. That's going
Speaker 2: to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon
Speaker 2: to tell you what is trending and who will talk
Speaker 2: to you all.
Speaker 3: Then bye bye bye