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Speaker 1: Oh, America's greatest actor, Mark Wahlberg.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, America's greatest patriot, America's greatest actor. Would have gone

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Speaker 2: literally any of the horrible attacks in American history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I should I should include some alternate histories of

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Speaker 1: the terrorist events in my show where Mark Wahlberg stopped.

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Speaker 3: Them Pearl Harbor.

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Speaker 2: That sh would have gone down a lot different if

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Speaker 2: I had been there, Bro.

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Speaker 3: I would have told, Hey, keep your head on a swibble, Bro,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely clear, eyes, warm heart, Hello the Internet, and

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Speaker 2: welcome to season three point fifty one, episode two.

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Speaker 4: Of Dr Day's iisting production of iHeartRadio. This is a

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Speaker 4: And it is Tuesday, August twentieth, twenty four eight.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two four mm hmm, which means National Accessible Air

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Speaker 3: Travel Day, is National Chocolate pecan pie Day, National radio Day.

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Speaker 3: Don't care about that because this is podcasting. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Damn, just three on the menu down out here, and

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Speaker 3: You a fan? Oh yeah? Oh fuck yeah, even not

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Speaker 2: My name is Jack O'Brien aka the the cam Bitch

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Speaker 2: aka sit in on the trash, eating garbage, ripping them

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Speaker 2: I'm always worried that I'm like mispronouncing or like missing

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Speaker 1: Molly can't glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was weird to do that when we were

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Speaker 2: The show is so good. Weird little guys. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Wow, Oh God? Does that are you?

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Speaker 3: Ones made of precious metals and stones.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's made out of like cheap metal, but it's

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Speaker 1: It, right, I think because they know, like, whatever is

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Speaker 3: What's the weirdest one you got?

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Speaker 1: Well, the lobster is my favorite because they just look

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Speaker 3: Wow, I need to look that up. Lobster Wiener dog costumes.

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Speaker 1: Buck looks great. And his lion costume the panda bear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lion costume is the most that

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Speaker 2: my dog, dearly departed Finny ever communicated that like fuck

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Speaker 1: Sometimes find it very degrading.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like I think he rolled

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Speaker 3: This, you're fucking naked. You look ridiculous. What is something,

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait for it, having a little treat. I subscribe

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Speaker 3: I saw that. That's a Japanese that's a Uni.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did some googling about Japanese pencils.

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Speaker 3: What is that point five millimeter or point?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, point five point five?

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Speaker 3: Just checking, just checking, just checking.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna annotate these Nazi memoir with something precise.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, as someone who grew up going to

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Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, it's nice, cheap ass plastic bic. Bro,

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Speaker 3: look at this shit. It's heavier than a police baton

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Speaker 3: and I'm writing with it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean the engineering is.

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Speaker 2: Tysnically a murder weapon. You are you guys are able

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Speaker 3: And you're able to use finer? How many times are

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Speaker 3: How much is the lead out when you're like like,

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Speaker 1: Think you understand the engineering that goes into the Korutoga

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Speaker 1: Elite mechanical pencil.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you got you got a elite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes with a diamond infused graphite. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: that's not breaking off Holy shit.

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Speaker 3: No way is it marketed like that.

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Speaker 1: That's what it says.

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Speaker 3: Wow. I thought it was just my pre roll joints

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, if you're struggling with your with

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'll be like.

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Speaker 2: I mean I have also snapped like plastic where in

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Speaker 1: Just because you're just too strong.

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Speaker 2: I'm incredibly strong.

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Speaker 3: You were too much of a poz would say where.

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm just thinking about something stressful and then suddenly

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Speaker 1: Is back door bragging about your incredible grip strength?

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Speaker 2: Right, I don't know, and then like the pencil speaking

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. Is handwriting analysis like that? Forensic is that

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Speaker 3: But I feel like the one time they're like, yo,

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Speaker 2: All the just sweat pouring all over over the page.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, he's got a lot.

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Speaker 2: Going on, a lot of internal churn, a lot.

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Speaker 3: Wait, what's another kind of treat? What's another Like, what's

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Speaker 1: It's fives based, man, you know it's Yeah, when the

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Speaker 1: Let it happen. Let the treat be part of your life. Like,

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Speaker 3: Logo blasted on the front. Yeah baby wow, and they

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Speaker 3: I didn't need this.

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Speaker 1: I didn't need this, but it's on sale and it

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Speaker 3: And in a way like impossible to detect, like to

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Speaker 3: be like we got to find someone in a Kirkland

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Speaker 3: signature hoodie. They're like, good luck, motherfucker, that's Cosco Country West.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Damn I got to get one of those.

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Speaker 1: I know, I got this. I got the matching sweatpants

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Speaker 3: And they got a logo too cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah down the leg baby is.

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Speaker 3: Wow, all the way up and down the lake, like

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Speaker 3: one leg is consumed by the kirk ciggy logo.

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Speaker 1: They have that one, but I couldn't find it, so

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but I mean I got the Kirkland fit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, damn okay, all right right sponsored me Costco.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see you, but only as related to fashion items,

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like now that I am a professional podcaster, I just

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Speaker 1: I feel so much more at home, Like I can't

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Speaker 1: I buy all my clothes at Costco. Right, so like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you fit right in and you're you look

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Speaker 2: When my friends talk about going into an office. I

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Speaker 2: What would that even be?

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Speaker 3: Like, They're like, I don't even have clothes I can

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Speaker 1: I'm not wearing pants right now.

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Speaker 3: No, none of us are. I'm wearing I'm wearing one

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Speaker 3: third of a T shirt. If I actually stood up,

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Speaker 3: you'd see it just covers my shoulders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this isn't from the mid chest up professional?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it looks like those like like how like

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Speaker 1: Just h oh yeah, the little drop top.

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Speaker 2: If my belly button can't breathe neither cannot. All right,

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Speaker 2: what is Molly? Something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Man, so I am. I'm my struggle right now. So

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Speaker 1: overrated wedding venues. I am trying to plan a wedding

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Speaker 1: used to be a fucking plantation, every single one of them.

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Speaker 1: And they don't tell you it's not on the website.

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Speaker 1: They're not honest about it. So I'm digging through like

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Speaker 1: I need you to tell me, shit, did slaves build this?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Because they will tell you and everything is a fucking barn.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get married in a barn.

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Speaker 5: Question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, was this the venue for unspeakable atrocities haunt my marriage?

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Speaker 1: For professional portraits made of my entire family? Like in

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Speaker 1: front of the lynching tree? That's not the vibe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, wait, so have you like I'm guessing like

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Speaker 3: to go through like old records and' like hold on,

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Speaker 3: I just found the thing that basically it bears all

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Speaker 1: I mean, thankfully, you know, doing the research, getting weird,

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about everybody else, right right, right, Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Further, it's like, are these conflict bricks because we can

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Speaker 1: They had children make the bricks because their hands were small.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want any.

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Speaker 3: Part of that, right, It's like, how do you think

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Speaker 3: they got the intricate thing a little thinky.

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Speaker 1: Prints, Like the nail factory that used to be here

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, well then so so no Blake Lively plantation

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Speaker 3: wedding for you. That's that's that's what we're getting at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just I don't want there to be

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Speaker 3: So what are your options? You don't want a barn,

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Speaker 3: you don't want a plantation, even an incidental horse. You're like,

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Speaker 3: get that motherfucker out of here.

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Speaker 1: There's no hay. There's no hay in this in this situation. Okay, right,

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Speaker 1: but guys overrated, you know, like, oh, for twenty five

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Speaker 3: No, sure, no, no, it's like, but the horses do

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Speaker 3: stay if you want the horses out, that's thirty.

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Speaker 1: Grand Oh that's extra, that's extra, yeah right.

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Speaker 3: Right right, right, oh my god, No, yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't course hotel.

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Speaker 3: I don't envy those. I know a few people who

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Speaker 3: I don't miss that. I don't miss that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to plan my own birthday party.

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Speaker 1: Why why is this my problem so overread? The entire

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Speaker 2: Don't want to is that because people used to be

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Speaker 2: so that's like a remnant from an older time or

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Speaker 2: it's just like everything with plantations back then.

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Speaker 1: So they're just like, I mean, it's for Virginia. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of our large, beautiful old buildings, right, didn't

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Speaker 3: Right, so that was to draw yeah, right exactly, it's like,

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Speaker 3: well ignore, just just focus on like the glitz and

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Speaker 1: It was a farm, Oh who was farming?

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Speaker 5: Far?

438
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Speaker 3: They sound like cotton or something. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

439
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 3: I think like the king was cotton or something. I

440
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 3: don't know. I can't I didn't read the whole thing,

441
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 3: but kind of murky, move.

442
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: It along, move it along. All right, let's take a

443
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: quick break and we're gonna come back and talk some

444
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: weird little guys.

445
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Speaker 5: We'll be right back.

446
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, and we're back and yeah.

447
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 2: So just to kind of give people an introduction, although

448
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: everybody should just go listen to episode zero, where you

449
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 2: do a beautiful job of giving an introduction to the

450
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 2: premise of the show. But one of the ideas is

451
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: that these people who you know, organize the Unite the

452
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: Right rally in Charlottesville, stage domestic terrorism, storm the Capitol

453
00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: on January sixth, They are associated with these big ideas

454
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: and huge historical trends, but ultimately they often turn out

455
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: to be just some guy you compared to the end

456
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: of a Scooby Doo episode, except Scooby Doo doesn't have

457
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: the courage or run time to then like spend an

458
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: hour digging into the weird backstories of the people under

459
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: the masks.

460
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: But you do.

461
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: You tell us what the fuck is going on with

462
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 2: these people, and it's it's endlessly entertaining. Is there an

463
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: example that you use to explain the premise of your

464
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: show to someone who asks, like what your podcast is about.

465
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, they should have prepared me better for this marketing.

466
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 3: Right.

467
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: No, but like you said, the idea is that they're

468
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: all just these kind of sad little freaks, and they

469
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: want us to believe that they're like the second coming

470
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: of Hitler, right, that they're mighty and powerful and impressive

471
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: and you should be very scared of them.

472
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Speaker 2: And that is a compliment that gets like thrown around there,

473
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: like people are like, this person might be the second

474
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: coming of Hitler, and that's good, and that's.

475
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 3: What he wants.

476
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: He wants you to think like, oh, it's this powerful monster.

477
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. Like the things that they did

478
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: are not serious, right, Like you know the end of

479
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: an episode of Scooby Doo when they unmask the you know,

480
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: the caretaker who's been haunting the mansion, like he still

481
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: did what they think the monster did. He said, a monster.

482
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Speaker 1: He's just the weird old caretaker, right.

483
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Speaker 5: No.

484
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Speaker 1: So, I mean I don't want to spoil any future episodes,

485
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: but for the two episodes that are out now, you know,

486
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: the first one was an exploration of Kevin Strome. He

487
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: was a member of the neo Nazi group National Alliance.

488
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Speaker 1: And you know, he thinks of himself as this sort

489
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Speaker 1: of learned intellectual of race science and race purity, and

490
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Speaker 1: he mixed this little show every week since the nineties.

491
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Speaker 1: And he's pedophile, right, he has been to Britain for childborn,

492
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Speaker 1: and he's his commitment to racial purity is so extreme

493
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Speaker 1: that he won't let the foods on his plate intermingle

494
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: because that's too much like race mixing.

495
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Speaker 3: Oh wait for yeah, okay, right, yeah.

496
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: Like you can't book Gravey on mashed potatoes because that's

497
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: misagenation of flavors.

498
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, the freaks. I do the normal thing. I

499
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: put in a little teacup and I and I sip

500
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: it while I have a one bite after I fully

501
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: swallowed the mashed potatoes. But I mean, like to your point, right,

502
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: Like whenever we hear about these like violent plots or

503
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 3: these groups that have like you know, acted out like

504
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: all kinds of wild violence in physical space, like we

505
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: create this image in our mind of like some fucking

506
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: master criminal like with no soul that if like we

507
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: saw on the street, we would immediately be like, oh

508
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: my god, run in the opposite direction. This person is

509
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: fucking scary and they're dangerous, and like, clearly it's clear

510
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 3: that all these guys are like not even close to

511
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 3: being some kind of cloaked Marvel super villain, and like

512
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 3: we would run in the opposite direction if we saw

513
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 3: them on the street because they're literal just fucking creeps.

514
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 3: What do you think is like the like, obviously there's

515
00:24:54,520 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: a power to demystifying our sort of like reflexive tendency

516
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, this person, because like what they're

517
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: into is so odious and dangerous that they themselves it

518
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: must be dangerous. But like it's clear that you find

519
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: there's a way to sort of by taking the curtain back,

520
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: we're able to just sort of reckon with these kinds

521
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 3: of characters or you know, not characters, human beings and

522
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: like a much more objective but while also being like, look,

523
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: these aren't the kinds of people who are like absolute

524
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: like these masterminds that we do need to fear. Is

525
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 3: that sort of part of it? I know at one

526
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: point you said, it's not about it's about understanding the creeps,

527
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: like in every facet of our lives that they do exist, right, And.

528
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Speaker 1: I think you know, on a broadle broader social level,

529
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: just you know, emotionally understanding that this isn't some sort

530
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: of amorphous onto logical evil is empowering, right because like, right,

531
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: you can't fight a monster. That's disempowering. It feels like, well,

532
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: this is just this is something we can't change. There

533
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: there are monsters in the world, and it's just a guy.

534
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: It's just a guy who's afraid to talk to women,

535
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: right right, It's a guy who got a free sex

536
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: doll head because he complained to the fucking customer support.

537
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, okay, huh, that's weird. But he's

538
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: making bombs too, Yeah, well yeah he is, right, like.

539
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: He knows how to make a pipe bomb, but like

540
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: he's fucking a used sex.

541
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: Doll, right right, You're like, yeah, not now, it's now

542
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 3: it's giving me the creeps in a completely different way,

543
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: for sure.

544
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

545
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 2: The episode about the Civil War reenactment false flag is

546
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: so wild. But before before we get into the details

547
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 2: of that, I do just want to talk about this

548
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: idea of weirdness because it has become the focus for

549
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: the Democrats and the presidential campaign. And it happened as

550
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: you're preparing to launch a show focused on the weirdness

551
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: of right wing fascists, their policies, their personalities. What was

552
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: it that made you focus in on weird Like based

553
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: on the content, it feels like it just naturally took

554
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: you in that direction. But first of all, what was

555
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: it like to have that emerge as like a central

556
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: Democrat talking point? And do you have an opinion on

557
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: how they're doing with regards to calling it out?

558
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think arriving at the idea that, you know,

559
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: talking about these guys in the context of their idiosyncrasies

560
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: and their their weirdness, the fact that they're out of

561
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: step with the world arose naturally for me, right Like,

562
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm researching these guys in the context of domestic terrorism

563
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: and trying to understand that, and something I keep coming

564
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: across is like everything about the way they engage with

565
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: the world is weird, right, Like, it's not just their

566
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: ideas about race, their ideas about the Jews, or their

567
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: ideas about how political power should be achieved mainly through violence.

568
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: That's not separate from the fact that they're just weird.

569
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: On a personal level, these things are intertwined, Like they

570
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: have all these ideas about, you know, whether women should

571
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: be able to vote because they just have weird ideas

572
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: about how the world works, and so that was sort

573
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: of a natural progression for me and I think, you know, separately,

574
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: the Democrats have recently arrived at the same place that

575
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: like their weird personal lives and the weird shit they

576
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: want to do to your personal life are obviously related.

577
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

578
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

579
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: It feels like for the longest time, like prior to this,

580
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 3: like we were using very like academic terms to like

581
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: accurately describe like their ideologies. So it's like, well, they're

582
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: these are ethno nationalists, these are proto fascist model, like

583
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And like it does in

584
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: a way it clearly identifies like where their you know,

585
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: political might how like where their ideologies lie in terms

586
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: of like a political spectrum. But the weird sort of

587
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: cuts through that to not only be like, well it

588
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: is weird to already be so like ant like like

589
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: the race mixing is terrible. It's like what are you

590
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: a fucking civil war ghost? Like what the fuck are

591
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: we talking about? But the weirdness it does sort of

592
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: in a way help sort of cut through. I think

593
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 3: of these like sort of very academic terms that are

594
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: used to accurately describe them and really sort of remind

595
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: people of like maybe what is sort of what we

596
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: consider normal for the most part in terms of like

597
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: it's not being obsessed with people's genitals, it's not being

598
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: obsessed with like children's genitals. It's not a being obsessed

599
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: with like, you know, miscegenation or whatever these things are,

600
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: that these are all like all of these things that

601
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: they believe are weird are actually normal. And now it's

602
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: it is actually them now that has crossed over into

603
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: this space. So I feel like that was sort of

604
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: like the one thing that I was like, Oh, I

605
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: think it's it's able to connect in a much easier

606
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: way for people because it's much more conversational. But it

607
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: does feel like a little bit I'm sure you're a

608
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: bit frustrated to someone who's been reporting on this for

609
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: a long time not to be not necessarily that it's

610
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: like the Democrats, but that the warnings about being like

611
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: these people are dangerous wasn't sort of enough until it's like, oh, wait,

612
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: they're weird.

613
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: We're getting a ratings bump from being interested in this,

614
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know, betterly than never. Sure, it's a

615
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: weird coincidence. But I think the reason it cuts to

616
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: the quick so badly for them, the reason it's like

617
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: so shockingly hurtful to them to be called weird, is

618
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: because their whole ethos is that we are the arbiters

619
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: of what is acceptable and what is normal, and we

620
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: want to return to this nineteen fifties Norman Rockwell painting

621
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: of imagined American life, and that's what's normal. And so

622
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: you're the ones that are weird for you know, continuing

623
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: to move forward in a society that progresses with time, right,

624
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: and so saying like, actually that that's not normal, you're

625
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: the weird one. You're the weird one. It undercuts their

626
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: their belief about, you know, their reason to exist.

627
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: And they their personal lives so often fall completely out

628
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 2: of line with that ethos that they claim to like

629
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: they are. It's in line with it, but it's just

630
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: like a weird When you first encounter they're like, well,

631
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: all I care about is families, and then you see

632
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: like the strange direction that spins off into and then

633
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: you look at their personal lives, it's I don't know,

634
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess it's unexpected at first, and then

635
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: it's like totally expected once you take the time to

636
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: think about it.

637
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like the it's you know, it's spoiler for

638
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: this week's episode, but like, you know, these guys who

639
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, traditional white values and

640
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: Western civilization and you know, restructuring society so that we

641
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: have you know, traditional Western values. One of the guys

642
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: in this terror cell was making degrading hardcore pornography, and

643
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not that's not the world you're talking

644
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: about building, right right?

645
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean from your perspective, from like looking

646
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: at all these people for years, and you know, even

647
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: like this latest episode with the Civil War reenactor, Like,

648
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: is it that they're just that they're sort of repressing

649
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: some dimension of who they are and that's that's manifesting

650
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: them in like this like externalized hatred of people that

651
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: like might intersect with their own like weird interests or

652
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: feelings or how do you sort of look at these

653
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: people sort of through the prism of like what they're espousing,

654
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Speaker 3: but also the context of like their personal lives, Like

655
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: how like how do those things or interact like in

656
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: terms of like how you've how you've looked at these people.

657
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's a question for a psychologists. I mean

658
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: sometimes these sometimes these manifestations are like a desire to control.

659
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: Like a lot of fascists they want to control society

660
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: just the way they want to control their wife or

661
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: their children. And so for a lot of pedophiles, it's

662
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: about the exertion of control over a powerless victim, and

663
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of what they want to do to society.

664
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't think the cognitive dissonance

665
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: matters to them at all. Like you know, you see

666
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: a lot of white supremacists with Latino wives like that

667
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance is irrelevant to them, right, So like there's

668
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: no making sense of it as a psychological drive. It

669
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: just the rules don't apply to me. I'm just going

670
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: to do this to society.

671
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because psychology is like not a thing. It's not

672
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: even like the concepts in their head. They're just like, yeah,

673
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: this is what I do, like my shadow self, the

674
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: are you talking about?

675
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean, like maybe maybe we can like necromance Freud

676
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: and get him to take a look at this. Like

677
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: for years I had this Nazi cyberstalker who would send

678
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: me these messages that were like really graphically about like

679
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: sexual fantasies involving feces. Yeah, and it's like that that

680
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: doesn't involve me, right, right, maybe you should talk talk too,

681
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: sithm Freud about that, like you're stuck in the anal

682
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: development stage or something. I don't know, so mixed bag.

683
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, but I feel like historians, like

684
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: or at least the History Channel like kind of does

685
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: it with Hitler, right, Like Hitler behind Closed Doors is

686
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: not this amorphous ontological evil, right, He's driven by very

687
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: strange demons and a lot of scatological you know shit.

688
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: And then but then I feel like, I don't know,

689
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: it popped in my head when you were talking about

690
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: Richard Spencer, like when he first came on the scene

691
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: years ago, and it felt like the mainstream media was

692
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: like into him, you know.

693
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, They're like, oh, finally, like a handsome, well

694
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: spoken Nazi and a yeah guy we can put on

695
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: TV right.

696
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: Because he want Yeah, they want a Nazi. That is

697
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: like central casting of a fascist in a non comedy movie.

698
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: But when you look at them, it's just doctor Strange

699
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: loves all the way down right, just time after time,

700
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: It's like, nah, they have like weird suppressed urges and

701
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: repressed repressed ideas that are like bursting out of them

702
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: in these strange ways, but it does.

703
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, the real Richard Spencer is the Richard Spencer in

704
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: that leaked audio from the evening of Unite the Rights,

705
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: Like the rally got canceled they didn't get to give

706
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: their speeches because there was a terrorist event, and he

707
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: was so mad that he didn't get to give his speech.

708
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: He's like purple in the face, screaming about how like

709
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: they don't get to do this to me, they don't

710
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: get to do this to me, and he starts busting

711
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: out racial slurs that you would have to look up

712
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: in a dictionary, like I think he called someone an

713
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: octoroon or something like.

714
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah wow, taking it all the way back,

715
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: but just like that.

716
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: Sort of petulant, childish rage, like you could put a

717
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: suit and tie on a Nazi, but he's still just

718
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: an angry little guy.

719
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, because I think so many

720
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: of these people have like very similar, like the similar

721
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: themes in their lives which are there operating in this

722
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: bizarre parallel reality. But when they're like forced to reconcile

723
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: their perceived world and the one they actually live in.

724
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: They just go deeper into the into the void because

725
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: it's just that like that recond like that sort of

726
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: dissonance is like too much. It's like no, no, no,

727
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: And now they like sort of increasingly become more hell

728
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 3: bent on bringing their fantasy world to life like upon

729
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: the rest of us. And it's like when they inevitably

730
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: fail and realize they don't have the power or means

731
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: to create the world, they typically will just resort to

732
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: violence or destruction because if I can't make something, then

733
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: I can destroy it. And either way, like I think,

734
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: there's just that feeling of powerlessness that has to be addressed,

735
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: and this sort.

736
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: Of direction construction of this alternate reality. It just keeps

737
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: coming up sort of recurring theme in these stories that

738
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm telling, Like I think this guy left out of

739
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: episode one, but after Kevin Strome was arrested for possession

740
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: of child pornography. He so he was the webmaster for

741
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: a neo Nazi group, so he knew how to use

742
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: the internet, right he was. He was an internet guy,

743
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, from the nineties, so early internet adopter. And

744
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: he made a website that convincingly looked like an actual

745
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: local news outlet, and he peppered in like real local

746
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: news stories, stuff about the weather, stuff about you know,

747
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: just like local goings on. But like every third article

748
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: on this fake newspaper website was about how we actually

749
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Strome isn't a pervert.

750
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: In other news?

751
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what, like this guy really not bad.

752
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, it's the exact same thing, like

753
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: even with the Civil Warrior guy like also creating fake

754
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: news articles like that, but he was such a boomer.

755
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: He's like cutting and pasting shit onto physical paper and

756
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: then xeroxing it and be like you've seen in this

757
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 3: article and it's like what sharing it with like a

758
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: teenager he's working with. Yeah, he's like okay.

759
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: Man this to me.

760
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Sniper's got a bunch of people. It's like

761
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 3: what newspapers. That doesn't matter. Man, it happened. It happened

762
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: you too, huh yeah yeah, but it but it is

763
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: like this very weird And then like even like this

764
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: the sex doll thing, like it's a like there's just

765
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: about creating like insulating themselves truly in like this world

766
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: of half truths or total fabrications to kind of like, yeah,

767
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's very.

768
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: They want they want to live in a cigarette ad

769
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: from a nineteen fifty five issue of Good Housekeeping, Like

770
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: the world you're imagining was never real, Like not only

771
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: can you go back to it, it was never real.

772
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: Like that was on queludes, right exactly.

773
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: She's so high that mom, I'm serving that turkey, Like

774
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: that turkey is not in the middle. Yeah, yeah, she

775
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: is out of her mind. Yeah, let's take a quick

776
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: break and we'll come back. And I just want to

777
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: talk a few of the details about the subjects of

778
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: your first couple episodes, because they are absolute bangers.

779
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 5: We'll be right back, and we're back.

780
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: We're back.

781
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the Civil War Reenact

782
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: reenactment bomb threat, which was allegedly perpetrated by Antifa, which

783
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: I always hear Antifa used as this like buzzword on

784
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: the right and then like Fox News stories, Yeah they

785
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: love it as a boogeyman. But I had never seen

786
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: like any of the details of what they think Antifa

787
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: is doing. And so this story is of a Civil

788
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: War reenactor group that's being threatened, and it's like not

789
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: even the biggest one in the area, but it's being

790
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: like repeatedly threatened and told like they have to stop

791
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 2: or they're going to like all be murdered. And it's

792
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: signed Antifa, like with this like logo that you could

793
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: not official, yeah, unofficial Antifa letterhead. Yeah yeah, absolutely absolutely,

794
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: And the letters are very threatening, but they also have

795
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: this juvenile tone of like make believe that reminded me

796
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: of this story. It was very early days of this

797
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: show during Hurricane Harvey in Houston, where there were all

798
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: these Facebook posts that were from the quote Harvey Loot Crew,

799
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: like hashtag Harvey Loute crew, and it would be like

800
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: a picture of a store that had been you know,

801
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 2: all the stuff was off the shelves and it says

802
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: we out here a Corpus Christy at the quickie store,

803
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 2: you know, where cash and beer gone, but Munchie's left.

804
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: Hashtag Hurricane Harvey, hashtag hurricane hashtag Harvey Luke crew. And

805
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: it's like we just immediately were like, oh, that's these

806
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: are like weird white people trying to write a character

807
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: that they find scary, and you get the sense in

808
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: these letters the same thing, like there's so much weird content,

809
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: Like some of us have dogs and we will even

810
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: throw their feces at you is like one of the

811
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: things from one of.

812
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: The letters, just not how I would make a threat.

813
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: We are Antifa and we throw pea at people, and

814
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 3: it's like, what.

815
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: Yes, one of us is a rapist, Like yeah, exactly,

816
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: It's like we've got a rapist also on the team.

817
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: It's like what what what is this? Like the fucking

818
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: weird goon squad? But yeah, that is the version of

819
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: like this organization. I guess they're trying to present to people.

820
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: But I don't so eventually that it's revealed that this

821
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: is in fact not Antifa, but it has because this

822
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: audience that they're aiming at is so gullible and willing

823
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: to believe anything like this feels like a danger that

824
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: could get worse and worse as our inability to distinguish

825
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: false information kind of grows more and more. Did the

826
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: fact that this wasn't Antifa? Do you think that that

827
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: like penetrated at all like that. I'm sure maybe the

828
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: specific group that was being targeted eventually realized it was

829
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: like one of their own, But like in terms of

830
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: the stories that are reported on Fox News, I'm sure

831
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: like the most of the people who watch Fox News

832
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: think Antifa planted a bomb at a Civil War reenactment, right, right.

833
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: And I think the average Fox News you were, even

834
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: when confronted with the truthful resolution to this story, would say, well, yeah,

835
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: but Antifa would do that, right, We like it says

836
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: a lot about Antifa that I believed it, But that's

837
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: not what happened. That's not what happened at all. But

838
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: I think you know, for for Gerald, the subject of

839
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: that story, he was a Confederate reenactor, he is I

840
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: could say comfortably a racist, Like I read all of

841
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: his Reddit posts, like he is personally a racist. And

842
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: so when he wanted to frighten his former friends, who

843
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: he knew were mostly also racists, he's like, what's the

844
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: scariest thing to us? What can I say to them

845
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: that will be so scary, Like, Oh, we're being targeted

846
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: for our beliefs, right right, We're being targeted by these

847
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: left wing like scary monster people just because we love

848
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: history so much. And also saying the N word, right.

849
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the exact big argument was that, like he

850
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: wanted to be able to use the N word. He

851
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: was like, that's just what it would have been at

852
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: the time, and we should be able to and the

853
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: fact that they're not letting us is actually the real discrimination.

854
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: It's ruining everything.

855
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: And like his the other Confederate reenactors were like, I

856
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: don't know, man, like even they.

857
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: Were really helping us here, right, yeah, And I think

858
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: just even the weird part two or like that you

859
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: pointed out, like the Battle of Cedar Creek, like that

860
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: was a Union victory too. It's like, wouldn't they be

861
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: targeting a Confederate victory if it was truly about this

862
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: like ideology, like ideological attack or like.

863
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: A battle that anyone's heard of, like I've never heard

864
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: the Battle of Cedar Creek and I live here right.

865
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: Right, right, right right, But yeah, it's just there. There's

866
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 2: this fascinating part where you just go through like his

867
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: trip Advisor reviews, like so as he's doing all this stuff,

868
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: he's taking trips to your treats.

869
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does loves Europe, huh.

870
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: Going to the finest dining establishments in Europe, like Burger King,

871
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: five guys McDonald's, I think, and then just like leaving

872
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: negative reviews for or Nazi museums for being like two PC.

873
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's the interesting thing about Gerald, Right,

874
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: it's like, you know a lot of these guys are Nazis.

875
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: Jerald's not like he has an interest in World War

876
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: two history as like you know, a boomer American watching

877
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: the History Channel. So like his problem with the Holocaust

878
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: Museum in Amsterdam wasn't like that he loves Nazis. He

879
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: just like wanted to see more atrocities. Yeah right, he

880
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: just thought that the museum didn't show him enough.

881
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: Atrocities, right, could have been more atrocity memorabilia there, but

882
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: like nah.

883
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: One story gore.

884
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, truly. But I guess that's

885
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: what's like so interesting too, is like on some level, right,

886
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: and this is something you talk about like when I'm like, well,

887
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 3: this guy's this fucking weirdo. He's leaving like one agro

888
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: reviews about Burger King or like the Nazi Museum, but

889
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: he loves the Louver in Paris. That like, in a

890
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 3: way it feels disarming because you're like, this, what the

891
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: fuck is what's this fucking guy gonna do? But at

892
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: the the same time, it's not so you're not so

893
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: dismissive of these people that you're like, these aren't people,

894
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: aren't dangerous, but it's also being like just understand where

895
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: these people are operating from. It's not necessarily like because

896
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: they have these like weird interests or just have these

897
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: like weird proclivities doesn't mean that they aren't presenting a

898
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 3: similar threat. But I think it does help melt away

899
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: this idea that it's like you know, fucking fanos or

900
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: some shit.

901
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: Right, Like he's a silly little guy who got a

902
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: Poshmark account so he could buy women's panties for his

903
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: sex stall, and he reviews the dunkin Donuts in his

904
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: neighborhood once a month, Like he's definitely a weird little guy. Yeah,

905
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: but he did build an operational bomb that would have

906
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of children in the like gifts, Like

907
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: the tent where the bomb was was where you buy

908
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: like souvenirs and stuff, like there were kids around, and

909
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: like at the bomb had gone off, like it would

910
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: have killed children.

911
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: Right, So, like what he did.

912
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: Was was violent and frightening and evil, and like this

913
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: campaign of terror against these people who wouldn't let him

914
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: do civil war reenactment anymore, Like it's real and it's frightening.

915
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: You should take it. But like he's not a criminal mastermind.

916
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah right, he's a guy who pretends to be a

917
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: cop on Reddit because it makes him feel powerful.

918
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, that's it's like so not not like infuriating,

919
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: but you know, like we obviously the threat of like

920
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: domestic terror and the like, you know, a white nationalist

921
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 3: violence is it was real and super scary, but like

922
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: there's also something kind of maddening when you're like and

923
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: it's this fucking guy.

924
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 9: That's like we deserve a better enemy year, yeah, or

925
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 9: like that you are causing so much, you're sewing so

926
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 9: much chaos from your place of being so dissatisfied and

927
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 9: unhappy and whatever sociopathic you know, psychopathic tendencies you have.

928
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: But there's just some there's I don't know, like it's

929
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: like every time I'm having a reckoning with like the

930
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: actual what they're what they're trying to act out and

931
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: who they are as people, and you're like, dude, this

932
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: is this is the last person who probably roll up

933
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: to you and try and say something to your face

934
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: in public, Yet they are still I don't know. I

935
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: think that's where like the Internet truly like begins to

936
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: embolden people because they can have this one version that

937
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: they present through their like digital avatar of themselves while

938
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: also being like and then the real world version is like, yeah,

939
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: like I shout out to sex Doll Queens dot COM's

940
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: customer service department for being really understanding that my sex

941
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: doll was damaged, and you.

942
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: Know, Patrese is very responsive.

943
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like the.

944
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: Last that was his last post before being arrested.

945
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, before the FBI like rated his house and took

946
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: him away. He was just posting on a sex.

947
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: All for him, right, being like with the Trece fucking rocks.

948
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Patrese for customer service. Yeah, and

949
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: there are plenty of them. Oh yeah, monthly reviews of

950
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 2: his local dunkin Donuts. That's so wild.

951
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: He loves it's high quality update.

952
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess does that do you like?

953
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: Do you see that as like another version of like

954
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: trying to at least exert some form of power, like

955
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 3: because then it's like it's review through my review I

956
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 3: can and from my eyes, I'm doing one over, getting

957
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: one over on this place that I felt wrong by.

958
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: So like that's always like they're kind of look like

959
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: it feels like it really goes hand in.

960
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: Hand, right, like I do you think for him specifically,

961
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: it is this sort of manifestation of the idea that, like,

962
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: this world exists for me and it should meet my

963
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: needs and it should be the way that I think

964
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: it should be. And when it's not, that's, you know,

965
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: a sign of a culture in decline, Like they put

966
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: pickles on my whopper even though I said no, And

967
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: that's because society is in decline. We no longer have

968
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: traditional Western values or something.

969
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: Right right, right, Yeah, pickles and onions.

970
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: Only in Europe can they get that order right? On

971
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: the on the wapper, he says no pickles, no onions,

972
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 2: and every fucking time in the United States, his burger

973
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: king gets it wrong. Meanwhile, Kevin is that his name,

974
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: Kevin Kevin Strome. Strome disappears into the bathroom for hours

975
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: at a time to take a bath and eat pickles.

976
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: So I actually so his second ex wife, second ex wife, no,

977
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: his first second, so his first his first, his first wife.

978
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: After they got divorced, she wrote a memoir and it's

979
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: been out of print for twenty years. You can't buy it.

980
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: So I found a used copy of it on the internet,

981
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: and I was so excited and it came and so

982
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: I read this. You know, this woman's memoir of her

983
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: time being married to this famous Nazi, and you know

984
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: she's been through a lot, respect to her. Not well written,

985
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: a little deranged, but just the little kernels of like

986
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: day to day life of being married to this man.

987
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: Worth the twenty bucks, Worth the twenty bucks they spent

988
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: on it, especially because it was signed. So when you

989
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: when you buy this book, you never know what you're getting.

990
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: It says, you know, like in decent condition, there's markings inside,

991
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: and so I get it. It is the copy she

992
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: gave to the woman who mentored her during her conversion

993
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: to Catholicism.

994
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: Woow, So is she in the book? The person she

995
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: like like wrote this to, like inscribed the message to

996
00:49:58,800 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

997
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: If she's in there my name, but there is, you know,

998
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: sort of a lot of discussion of like, as she's

999
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: leaving Kevin because the National Alliance is they have what's

1000
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 1: called the Cosmotheist Church. It's just like a made up,

1001
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: like white people religion that doesn't involve God or Jesus

1002
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: and it's taxing. Sure, So she's leaving National Alliance. She's

1003
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: leaving Cosmotheism. She's leaving Kevin, she starts seeing apparitions of

1004
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary, so she converts to So she converted

1005
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: to Catholicism. And like just an incredible, an incredible memoir.

1006
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: And so the pickle thing was in there.

1007
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, hours at a time, just eating pickles in the bathtub.

1008
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: Like I can kind of get behind that, Like.

1009
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: You have three children and you're just gonna be in

1010
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: there for five hours eating a whole jar of pickles?

1011
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 5: Right?

1012
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 3: And also how big is that jar of pickles for

1013
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 3: five hours? Or what's your eating?

1014
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: You're swelling?

1015
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you savor every bite of a pickle, so it

1016
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: takes you five I mean I could eat a jar

1017
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: of pickles, I think in like twenty minutes easily.

1018
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: I think it's kidneys would enjoy that experience.

1019
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the doctors, that's their opinion. But like

1020
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 3: I heard from my friend Molly, I need a treat.

1021
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: I have to you need a treat, And like you

1022
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: heard from your friend Jack, do your own research. Okay,

1023
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: don't you trust the doctors? What do you you know?

1024
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: I don't look, what do you know? What do you oh? Sorry,

1025
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: you're a specialist in renal issues. I don't even know

1026
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: what that means, man, but my side's hurt real bad

1027
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: in the back whenever I eat my pickies. Help. I'm curious, like, Molly,

1028
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: is there what is sort of like a I guess

1029
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: a takeaway that you come with, take a takeaway that

1030
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: you arrive at after looking at these people, because you know,

1031
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: you've studied like really horrific shit and a lot of

1032
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: these events that have been at the hands of these

1033
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: types of people, But like, what what like what's the

1034
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 3: experience for you when you're like, of course they're a

1035
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 3: weird little guy? Is it more to not necessarily again,

1036
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: because it's not to sort of mitigate or minimize the

1037
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: threat that these people pose, but like, what is sort

1038
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: of the what is like the sort of message that

1039
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: you come away with from realizing time after time these

1040
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: people have such a similar kind of way of being.

1041
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: I think, as I've been doing nothing but writing for

1042
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: weeks now, kind of going insaying becoming my own weird

1043
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: little guy. What seems most important to me to take

1044
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: away from like trying to tell these sort of like

1045
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: brief biographical arcs of individuals is that like they are weird,

1046
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: but they are not aberrations, right, Like they are not

1047
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: one off like random mutations of the human mind that like,

1048
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think in recent years, you know, we

1049
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: see like, oh, there's like a groper who works for

1050
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: your congressman. Like, what a strange aberration. This is never

1051
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: this is unprecedented. No, it's not. It's super precedented, right,

1052
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: And so like trying to situate these things in historical

1053
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: context for the last hundred years or so, Like I

1054
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: don't know. My plan is to sort of bounce back

1055
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: and forth between like a guy who just went to

1056
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: prison recently, sort of this modern weird guy, and then

1057
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: reach back and talk about a guy from the seventies

1058
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: or the eighties and sort of the Nazi group that

1059
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: would grow to become what's giving us today's weird guys. Right, So, like, right,

1060
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, hiring some weird little Nazi from the

1061
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: internet is not unusual. If you know that there was

1062
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: a scandal in the forties where some congressmen. So congressmen

1063
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: can send free mail, they don't have to pay postage

1064
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: on stuff they send to their constituents. But you know,

1065
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: the franking systems.

1066
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: Rika the job. That's why a lot of them get

1067
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: into it.

1068
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: Free mail, free mail. Maybe stamps are expensive, but there

1069
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: was the scandal in the forties where they were using

1070
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: their franking privileges. They would go on the house floor

1071
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: when nothing else was really happening. There's like not an

1072
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: important big day for bills, and they would give a

1073
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: speech that was Nazi propaganda. So then it's in the

1074
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: congressional record and then you can mail Nazi propaganda to

1075
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: all of your constituents for free.

1076
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 5: Wow.

1077
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: Wow, because there was a weird little fucking Nazi working

1078
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: for a congressman, Like this is not unprecedented. We've always

1079
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Speaker 1: been like this right just online.

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Speaker 3: Now yeah, and now like then, it sort of makes

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Speaker 3: it more about like what do we do about these

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Speaker 3: like these things, these shadow creatures that have appeared on

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Speaker 3: a nor It's like no, it's like whack a mole.

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Speaker 1: But like with the weirdos and no, wow, we got

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Speaker 1: to get a fourth clan act you lissies ys Grant

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Speaker 1: and not go far enough.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly Jesus Well, Molly Congres, I can't wait to

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Speaker 2: listen to the next episode and just yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: future episodes. I particularly the little crumb, the little nugget

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Speaker 2: you gave us on Timothy McVeigh and the song Bad Company.

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Speaker 2: He comes up a couple of different places, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: he the obsessive way he only listened to that song

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Speaker 2: is terrifying. It's like one of the strangest instances of

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Speaker 2: human behavior where you just kind of have to be like, huh,

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00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: how interesting, and.

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Speaker 1: Like maybe it doesn't even mean anything, right, Like we

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Speaker 1: all have our idiosyncrasies, and once you commit a major

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Speaker 1: active domestic terror, they all look suspect in retrospect. But

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Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe you just really love Bad Company by

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Speaker 1: the band Bad Company from their album.

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Speaker 3: From Bad Me have that company Bad Company. Maybe he

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Speaker 3: just loves like those He's like, I call that a trifecta. Man.

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Speaker 3: If you've got a titular track with the band name

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Speaker 3: from and it's on the album, that's what that's.

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Speaker 1: Fucking don't I don't know what the bass is like

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Speaker 1: in a Sherman tank, Like maybe it just felt good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, right, right, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: Some of the other people who were in there with

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Speaker 2: him must have. I can't imagine, although I can kind

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Speaker 2: of emt like my kids are currently really into do

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Speaker 2: you know who Perry Grip is? He's like from the

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Speaker 2: band the Nerf Herders. It's like children.

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Speaker 1: Children's music. They did the Buffy theme song.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well he does children's music. He does it's a cat,

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Speaker 3: post buffys a toilet.

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Speaker 2: It's a cat, and they're singing to that. They're listening

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Speaker 2: to that repeatedly and like over this weekend as I

1118
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: was like thinking about the Timothy McVay thing from your show.

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00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: So don't think about, like dad, what's wrong. It's a

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Speaker 2: catush the toilet, it's a cat.

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Speaker 1: Just think about Ellaheim City.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, Molly Conger, what a pleasure having you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all

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Speaker 2: that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, my show's on Coolzone Media. It's on the

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00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio network and you can subscribe, subscribe to it wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, and I hope that you will

1129
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: do that. Maybe leave me a review that's not weird.

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00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of like race science reviews.

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00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We need the reviews.

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00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: We need the normal, the normies out there reviewing.

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Speaker 3: Someone started doing amazing some one star.

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Speaker 1: Reviews from guys who think I'm being unfair to white men,

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00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: which yes, I hope to continue to do that, right,

1136
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: got some some cool weird guys coming up. But you

1137
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Socialist dog Mom and

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00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of it.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I occasionally host episodes of It Could Happen here, also

1141
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Speaker 1: a cool Zone show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just out here online out here. Is there

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00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: a work of media that you've been enjoying a tweet

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00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: or otherwise? Oh?

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00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: Man, No, I've only been consuming newspaper articles from the

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00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. Oh I recently read some congressional testimony from

1147
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, very intriguing. You'll have to wait two

1148
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: weeks to hear about that on my show though. So No,

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Speaker 1: the media I'm consuming is not normal, and I would

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Speaker 1: not recommend it.

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Speaker 3: Stay a Stay a.

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Speaker 5: Miles.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Is there a workI media

1154
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: you've been enjoying?

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00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.

1156
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: You can find Jack and I on the basketball podcast

1157
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: Miles with Jackot Mad Boosties. You can also find me

1158
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 3: on the latest episode of Black People Love Paramore, where

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00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: I'm on there talking about rat beefs and just it's

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00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 3: been a while I haven't really had an ability to

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Speaker 3: really get through all of my feelings with different rat beefs.

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Speaker 3: So this is a perfect opportunity for that. Check out

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Speaker 3: that episode, the latest episode of Black People Love.

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Speaker 1: Paramore and is there're more than one beef going on

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: I think we're just talking generally like we're going through

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Speaker 3: some of them, from Biggie to jay Z and Naas

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Speaker 3: to you know, n w A and Iceke all of

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Speaker 3: that up to Kendrick Lamar.

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Speaker 1: I'm more that Kendrick is overshadowing some other current beef.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, it's yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Kendrick Lamar. I don't know, man, that this that

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Speaker 3: the beef though definitely took over my mind as someone

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Speaker 3: who's from Los Angeles, I definitely spent a lot of

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Speaker 3: time talking about that. But anyway, check me out there.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a work of social media because I've

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Speaker 3: been I was, I was out taking a break, so

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Speaker 3: I don't like to look at the social media that

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00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: often to give myself a bit of a brain reset.

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Speaker 3: But you know what I did watch. I've just been

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Speaker 3: watching that that that show Presumed Innocent, that Jake Jillenhall show,

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Speaker 3: which is wild.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's again, you watch it all right, I'm the

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Speaker 2: fourth recommendation.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm on the last episode of it, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's pretty good. I would say. The one thing

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Speaker 3: was like I was, I was amazed that it's just

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00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: wild to see how many actors like who aren't from

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Speaker 3: America that are playing Americans all the time. Like like

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Speaker 3: one of the like the one of the black characters

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Speaker 3: who plays the da is like from England. The judge

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Speaker 3: who's a black woman is like from Switzerland. Ruth Nega

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Speaker 3: who is plays Jillen Hall's wife, she's Irish. I was like, Irish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Surprised that's not in Trump's twenty twenty four platform, right,

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Speaker 1: like bring back American jobs.

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Speaker 3: These are these are black jobs. These are the black

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Speaker 3: jobs I'm talking about, even if nothing's safe even for them.

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Speaker 3: They were doing it. The Australians were taking the white

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Speaker 3: people jobs, and now the black people acting jobs are

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Speaker 3: all gone. They're all gone. So yeah, I've just been

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Speaker 3: watching that and it's Peter Sar's Guard will always make

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Speaker 3: I will always be suspicious of Peter Sar's Guard whenever

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Speaker 3: I see him on the screen. So there's that.

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Speaker 2: It's got a very unnerving presence.

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Speaker 3: He could because he's got like like Malcols like Malkovich energy,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: There's Dylan is looking Scars Guards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah, Sars. That's the only part

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Speaker 3: Stars Guard that guy, not the Scars Guards. The thing

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Speaker 3: different Scandinavian acting family. Yeah, the one that's married to

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Speaker 3: Maggie Jillenhaller was married to.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what wor scarguard the thing that you

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Speaker 2: put on a cut to make sure that it doesn't

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Speaker 2: get scarred.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the SEO was all fucked up for them. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so shame.

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Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrian.

1218
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: Somebody retweeted the reaction of test audiences while watching the

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01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: chestburster scene in Ridley Scott's Alien, and everybody's like, oh gross,

1220
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: like screaming, and then Robert Evans from Cool Zone zoomed

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Speaker 2: in on this one guy, like guy with a beard

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Speaker 2: and long hair who's just got this facial expression that's

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01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: like yeah, man, all right.

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Speaker 3: He just tweeted, Hell yeah, brother, this is from the

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Speaker 3: eighties Test audiences seventy nine. Wow, Wow, why I.

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Speaker 1: Just feel like receiving that even knowing it's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: We've got you go react. But yeah, he's made a

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Speaker 1: stronger stuff stronger.

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Speaker 9: Yea.

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Speaker 1: We're just like a bunch of seventies dish weed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, rightah yeah, it's like yeah, it's like the

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Speaker 3: movie version of like when you're listening to music and

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01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 3: you're like, damn, this is like kind of a band,

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01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: you know, like when you hear a band you didn't

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Speaker 3: know you were trying to hear, and you hear and

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01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 3: you're like all right, like yeah, that's the social expression this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: chess burst. It finally feel seen.

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Speaker 1: It awoke something in him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyways, we will link off to that in the footnotes.

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Speaker 2: The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts.

1241
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: Wait no, I didn't do the thing anyways. You can

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01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 2: find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore o Brian. You

1243
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist. We're at

1244
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan

1245
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: page on a website, Daily zeitgeist dot com, where we

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01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to

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01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: the information that we talked about in today's episode, as

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01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: well as the song we think you might enjoy miles,

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01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: did you hear any music while you were off that

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: you think the people might enjoy?

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01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 3: I did? I mean it's I'm a bit behind on

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01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 3: the trends. This like music video was doing big numbers

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01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 3: on YouTube. It's by this rapper from Kerala, India who

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Speaker 3: goes by Hanumankind. The track is called Big Dogs awgs

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Speaker 3: that's how they put big Dogs. But the video is dope.

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01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: The beat instrumental is fucking it's it's wago, it's fire,

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01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 3: it's crazy. The wrapping, you know, it's it's fine. The

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01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 3: production of the visuals were so good, you know, the wrapping.

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Speaker 3: I could go either way on but I think it's

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Speaker 3: a track we're listening to because it's just like we're

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Speaker 3: just check the video out. It's super fun. It's Big

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Speaker 3: Dogs by Hanuman Kind. I know I'm late, or at

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01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 3: least probably younger people in your life would be like, dude,

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01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 3: you're so fucking late. Well guess what ten days old?

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Speaker 3: What is wrong with you?

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Speaker 6: My god?

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Speaker 3: Dude, are you dead? All right?

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Speaker 2: We'll link off to the video on the footnotes. The

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Speaker 2: guys the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts for my.

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Speaker 3: Heart Radio, visit the heart Radio app.

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. That's going

1272
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon

1273
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: to tell you what is trending and who will talk

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Speaker 2: to you all.

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Speaker 3: Then bye bye bye