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Speaker 1: M The Around the League Podcast always passes their physicals.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Round League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansens and name joined by room

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Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler and Greg Rosatal.

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Speaker 1: What up boys? Hey? Dan? How is everybody? It's the

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Speaker 1: middle of April. It's beautiful out, It's Los Angeles, warmest

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Speaker 1: can be. I'm just savoring this time with Chris Westley

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Speaker 1: and before he leaves us for a few shows to

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Speaker 1: take a well earned vacation. Don't don't think that I

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Speaker 1: didn't notice that when west came in off today, came

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Speaker 1: in his step because he's going back to Tybee Island.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of good things waiting for west in

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Speaker 1: Tybee Island on a lot of different levels. I have

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Speaker 1: a fair amount of concern and this is this is

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Speaker 1: fair amount that he will not return. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: said the West Coast because I was gonna say, and

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Speaker 1: I want a straight answer, wes Hey, are you bringing

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Speaker 1: your lap top with you? These are little hints whether

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Speaker 1: he plans to come. I am not bringing my laptop

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Speaker 1: with me, and that is the first I've never gone

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Speaker 1: anywhere without my laptop. Alright, Number two, what is the

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Speaker 1: percentage chance you return to Los Angeles? That's pretty low

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Speaker 1: chance you lose one of your employees, like Whiskey shooting

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Speaker 1: a free throw he misses. Yeah, So should I start

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Speaker 1: drying up a job description, you know, just in case

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Speaker 1: the way, if I were to skip town, I would

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Speaker 1: leave work property in the town i'm leaving, So that

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Speaker 1: speaks to the eight percent. I'm leaving my laptop here.

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Speaker 1: That's not cementing him as a guy that's coming back

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Speaker 1: for work. Lass have unfinished business business here? Well, like

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Speaker 1: I still need to grow as a person in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: so I'll be back unless I'm physically tied down like

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Speaker 1: the road you know, why would you coyote in the

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Speaker 1: road Runner? What would the jobless thing be for West

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Speaker 1: if you had to replace him, I would say football.

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Speaker 1: Savant fan of Animal House and other Uncle movies of

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Speaker 1: bullet points. So also does not like other humans interacting

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Speaker 1: books and pub Tweller must be a good reader, great

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Speaker 1: outrageous pub dweller rate at film breakdowns? Reader? Did we

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Speaker 1: get that occasionally shows up to work with a rash

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Speaker 1: like you. I can't imagine there's anyone out there that

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Speaker 1: And there's an eight percent chance that you'll have a

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Speaker 1: new job, right all right, So we got a big

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Speaker 1: show today. We will continue our Roster Reset series with

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesley talking about the a f C North, the

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Speaker 1: subject close to the author's heart for a number of reasons. Um.

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Speaker 1: But before that, we will start, as we always do,

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Speaker 1: the gold Standard. How are you, by the way, buddy,

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Speaker 1: doing great? Thank you? Gold Standard rushed in from the building.

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Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a miscommunication about when

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Speaker 1: the podcast was rolling. We were on the second level

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Speaker 1: of the structure looking down Zack in a soccer shirt,

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Speaker 1: walking briskly to get to the studio tonight. A little

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Speaker 1: to it. By the way, Mark Brady, if you're listening

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Speaker 1: to this, Zach have to uh to your meeting because

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Speaker 1: he had to produce this podcast. It was an emergency.

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Speaker 1: We needed him scheduling, so We're sorry he couldn't make

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Speaker 1: it Total listener disc Wait. By the way, Zac about

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Speaker 1: Johnson has signed a two year contract with the New

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Speaker 1: bit of an understatement. You were positively gidd eat down

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Speaker 1: this whole Michael Vick and Chris Johnson. How could this

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Speaker 1: But the Chris and Chris backfield criss cross, as Mark

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Speaker 1: they needed playmaking ability more than any offense in the league.

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Speaker 1: And you know they're gonna get playmaking ability four years ago. Wow.

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Speaker 1: not as good as they used to be. Forget about.

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Speaker 1: Michael Vick's the only reason that Jets have them right now.

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Speaker 1: You wrote a high octane to use Mark's word, uh

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Speaker 1: analysis piece about the whole Jets off season, and Vick

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Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to playmakers. Uh, they had

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Speaker 1: no buddy. Essentially, Now, is Chris Johnson the same guys

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Speaker 1: he was in two thousand ten? No? Is Michael Vick

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Speaker 1: if he ends up being the quarterback the same guys

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Speaker 1: he wasn't two thousand ten. No, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: And I want to focus more on Chris Johnson because

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Speaker 1: part of this offense. I see you know he'll split

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Speaker 1: Chris Johnson more maybe fifteen touches a game, twelve touches

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Speaker 1: Sean Green. You guys just got rid of Shawn Green

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Speaker 1: So you're getting But I would rather have Sean Green

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Speaker 1: crazy person talking in the room right now. I really do.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you believe that you just Bunsen Burner

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Speaker 1: blowtorched yourself. But really, I mean, I don't I don't listen.

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Speaker 1: two years eight million. He's a guy. He fits the

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Speaker 1: at last ages beyond, He's going to be around long

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Speaker 1: uh not, not in a guaranteed money and then not

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Speaker 1: I think I think he's going to be their number

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Speaker 1: three receiver. Why I'll sign him. I know he's got

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Speaker 1: to make the team. But you're right. I think it

429
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Speaker 1: speaks to Quentin Patton. If they had faith in Quentin Patton,

430
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Speaker 1: they don't make this signing. Lloyd isn't your average guy

431
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Speaker 1: that's been out of the league for a year, or

432
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Speaker 1: he's younger. I think he's thirty two now, uh, turning thirty.

433
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Speaker 1: He's turning thirty July, turning thirty three in July, so

434
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Speaker 1: he's getting up there. But it's not like Randy Moss

435
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: when they signed him. Also out of the league for

436
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Speaker 1: a while and then they signed him at thirty five.

437
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: He's younger. In the last year he was in the league,

438
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Speaker 1: he had nine hundred and fifty yards. He was a

439
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Speaker 1: productive player. He was at times that year the best

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Speaker 1: wide receiver on a very good team. He did take

441
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Speaker 1: he took a sabbatical to do in zombie movie. So

442
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I think we like that right. Well,

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Speaker 1: this would seem to be by the way I just

444
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Speaker 1: said that Brandon Lloyd was better than West Welker by mistake.

445
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: I take that back. He was never better than West.

446
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: Like a metaphor for his career that he's rising from

447
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: the dead now he's undead. Well, Brandon Lloyd, I think

448
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Speaker 1: Greg's probably right. He's probably gonna be a number three

449
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Speaker 1: receiver because what does Brandon Lloyd do? Well, gets outside

450
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Speaker 1: the numbers, works the sidelines, works down the field. Isn't fast,

451
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything after the catch, but he gets outside

452
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Speaker 1: the numbers, which Ordin hunters don't really do. He's but

453
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: he's also similar to Crabtree and Bold, and he's not

454
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Speaker 1: good after the catch, so that's where they're different. But

455
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: they're all good at catching the balls in traffic, the

456
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: catching passes while covered. They're not really guys that are

457
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: going to get past you and and get wide open

458
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Speaker 1: at all. There was one more item I wanted to

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Speaker 1: touch on West, especially you are the resident single man

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Speaker 1: in the group. Uh and you're also unaffiliated with any

461
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Speaker 1: NFL team after your breakup, your bitter breakup of the Bengals.

462
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Speaker 1: So I want to roll this by you. The Green

463
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Speaker 1: Bay Packers. There's a not affiliated with the team, but

464
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Speaker 1: there is a website open for business exclusively for Green

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Speaker 1: Bay Packers fans and uh I did some research on this.

466
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Speaker 1: We did a post in the Around the League blog today.

467
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Speaker 1: I just want to read some of the literature from

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Speaker 1: the site. Green Bay Packers fans are the most loyal

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Speaker 1: fans around. Just look at packs, die hard fans that

470
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Speaker 1: tackle the brutally cold winters to storm outside and cheer

471
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Speaker 1: on the pack attack. I didn't know that was thing

472
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Speaker 1: that existed at our site. You could find other packers, backers,

473
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Speaker 1: cheeseheads looking for love, whether you're looking for true love,

474
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Speaker 1: a long term relationship or marriage, minded, just looking for fun,

475
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Speaker 1: or maybe even just looking for friendship. Doubtful green Bay

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Speaker 1: Packers lovers dot Com is right for you, I think

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Speaker 1: west you could if you wanted to sneak in the

478
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Speaker 1: back door and be part of this group. My whole

479
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Speaker 1: life before I moved to l A, I was staunchly

480
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Speaker 1: against all dating websites. And I got out here and

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Speaker 1: Dan's wife one night at Happy Emily signs me up

482
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Speaker 1: for a local Maybe it's a national dating website. I

483
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: don't know it's it's national, So I get onto this website.

484
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: I've never had a date off this website or anything.

485
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Speaker 1: But um, I've noticed that women are more shallow than men.

486
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Speaker 1: They get dangerous, they have they have height requirements, financial requirements, uh,

487
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: racial requirements all over the board, like they have to

488
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Speaker 1: be this. So my philosophy is welcome to Los Angeles, ladies,

489
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Speaker 1: if you're listening right now, still available, look and then

490
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: people shouldn't be that shallow. And I feel like men

491
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: are plenty shallows. The best the best love is found

492
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: in unexpected places. The views of Chris Wesleyan are not

493
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Speaker 1: indicative of the rest of the podcast or the NFL

494
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Speaker 1: media group as a whole. What did I say that

495
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: was no keep that women on dating websites tend to

496
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: be shallow anyway. So I think you fun love and

497
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: unexpected places. So Packers fans shouldn't just be looking for

498
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: other Packers fans, Lions fans, Lions fans shouldn't single black

499
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Speaker 1: people or whatever. That it shouldn't just be for black people.

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Speaker 1: Farmers dot com farmers only should just be for lonely farmers.

501
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: I think farmers should stick together. That's one. It's not

502
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Speaker 1: just farmers, it's farmers and people that are fans of

503
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Speaker 1: the farming lifestyle like people into. So what I'm saying

504
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: is I don't believe in exclusivity. Okay, I got you.

505
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: And you know what, it is interesting in this time

506
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Speaker 1: of increased tolerance that these websites are splintering more as

507
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: if we're trying to like put up these walls that

508
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: we've broken. It's like, um, it's like news on TV.

509
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: Republicans have to watch their channel, Democrats have to watch

510
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: their channel, and a society has hold has no more

511
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: civil discourse. So you will not be joining this website,

512
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Speaker 1: is no? I won't. I'm just glad we have our

513
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: five minutes sizzle reel for the Peabody Awards this year.

514
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna be setting in this baby in. How about

515
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: the stitchers. I hope you're listening to that, guys wherever

516
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: you are, if you actually exist as an entity. Alright,

517
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: so good. I'm glad we got that out of the way,

518
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: because it's always good to check in on those matters.

519
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: With west moving on, there's a reason why I'm single.

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Speaker 1: Here's your special catch for somebody out there with thank you.

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00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: I think the a f C North is undergoing change,

522
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: like all divisions, Chris Westling, you wrote up our roster reset,

523
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: which you could find on the Around the League page

524
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: at NFL dot com backslash a t L. Greg they

525
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: like that, How about NFL dot com backslash roster reset?

526
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: That really would have been the next level way to

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Speaker 1: get right to the s. Alright, that's the source West,

528
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: Why din't you just give us the start. An overview

529
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Speaker 1: of what's happened in the af C North since the

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00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: end of the season. The a f C North is

531
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: unique in the conference. Patriots, Broncos, and Colts are clearly

532
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: heading shoulders above the rest of the teams in their divisions.

533
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: The Bengals won the a f C North, but they

534
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: haven't really added uh impact talent and they've lost both coordinators.

535
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: The Ravens are much better on offense. The Browns have

536
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: a new regime and they have talent in every position

537
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: except quarterback. The Steelers won six of eight games to

538
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: close out the season. This isn't anybody can take it.

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Speaker 1: If the Browns get a quarterback division, I agree. I

540
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Speaker 1: think it's the most intriguing division in the a f C.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't you could? You could see the Browns being very competitive. Well,

542
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: I think if they if quarterback play. No, here's the

543
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Speaker 1: team to me that I'm most curious about in West.

544
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: You have him at the top of the list, which says,

545
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, we rank in the division who has improved

546
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: the most. You have the Ravens at number one. Obviously

547
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl two seasons ago. Last season, missed

548
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and some weird things happen, and now you

549
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: think they're the best team in terms of growth in

550
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Speaker 1: the last few months. This says a lot more about

551
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Speaker 1: what they were dealing with last year. On offense, Dallas Clark,

552
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: Brandon Stokely and Ed Dixon were so bad that Steve

553
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Speaker 1: Smith and aging Steve Smith, a healthy Dennis Pitta and

554
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Speaker 1: I guess i'd admit and in age O and Daniels

555
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: are a major major upgrade in the passing game. I

556
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Speaker 1: would say also that Baltimore quickly found the tools to

557
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: get a Gary Kubiak type offense together. I think you're

558
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: gonna see Flacco. Remember the opener against the Broncos with

559
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: Stokely out there in a bunch of nobody for what's

560
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: sixty passes. You're not going to see those games this season.

561
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't believe from Joe Flaco. I think he's set

562
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: up to have and improved. They they fortified the line too.

563
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: It's rare. I disagree with wesleying so much that because

564
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: I look at Owen Daniels and Steve Smith and I

565
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: see some if you're lucky, they'll be okay role players.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's not something that changes anything in a

567
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Speaker 1: division there. They're guys that you're hoping are the third

568
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Speaker 1: and fourth best receivers on your team, and they might

569
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Speaker 1: not be very good. I wouldn't put Steve Smith out

570
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Speaker 1: the pasture just yet, all right. I think he's been

571
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Speaker 1: he's been lashed around this offseason, and you know what

572
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: the guy made as if he wasn't fourth in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And for Smith tackles, the guy can still run after

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Speaker 1: the cat. Okay Smith, Perhaps it owned Daniels is I

575
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Speaker 1: guess it putting him in there. And that's really the

576
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Speaker 1: big part of their off season, these two guys. They

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Speaker 1: resigned Eugene Monroe, which was big. Well, don't underestimate a

578
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Speaker 1: healthy Dennis Pitted, he's fair and Daniels number two. He's

579
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Speaker 1: not the number one tight end anymore, right, talking about

580
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Speaker 1: guys that might not make the team, Owen Daniels. I

581
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: think he could be a very good addition or he

582
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: could be a total washout. John always talked about him

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Speaker 1: for the past week. I'd expect him to be a

584
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: pretty big addition. West. So let me ask you one

585
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: more thing about the Ravens. Ray Rice obviously coming off

586
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: a miserable season and even worse off season with his

587
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: legal issues, do you see uh the Ravens. Obviously it

588
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: seems like his roster spot is safe, but do you

589
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: see them maybe using the draft and maybe starting to

590
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: face someone else in that becomes the their feature guy.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect him to draft anybody in the first

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Speaker 1: three rounds um And I would think if they're gonna

593
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: eat somebody into the feature guy would be Bernard Pierce.

594
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: And you know Breer last night A Pierce last year,

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Speaker 1: Well Briers in Baltimore and he was taught. He basically

596
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: reported last night that they added Justin for step, but

597
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: they're looking to add along with him, maybe two other

598
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Speaker 1: running backs, and that they aren't sure her the starter

599
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: is yet, that that may come from who they ad

600
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Now that's not free agent markets, so I don't know

601
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Speaker 1: if it's they're gonna draft someone to take carries away

602
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Speaker 1: from Rice, So I expect it to be like fifth rounder.

603
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I really don't think that anybody's They're not

604
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Speaker 1: gonna bring in anybody nearly as good as Bernard Pierce

605
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: are Ray Rice, by the way, great To answer your question,

606
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: Bernard Pierce saw that he was on my top thirty

607
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: running backs list last year and he crumbled under the

608
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: pressure weight of expectations. Sean Green, right wasn't John They

609
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: made the back end of the list as well. Sean.

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Speaker 1: I see another person that like Sean Green over Christenson.

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Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns West Marks team Mark. They are your

612
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: favorite football team, have been since childhood. That's not really

613
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: the point of this, but Wes you think they have

614
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: also gotten better? Yeah? I think Ben Take's a major

615
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: upgrade at running back. They've gotten a couple of wide

616
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: receivers they didn't have last year. Andrew Hawkins is pretty

617
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: good in the slot. Uh. The defense, I think that's

618
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: pretty even. Trade Carlos Dansby and Dante Whittner for to

619
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Speaker 1: Quell Jackson and t J. Ward. It seems like Petton

620
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: wanted to bring in two guys is who would help

621
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: him installing system and play a long while veterans who

622
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: have been been around and can teach the younger guys.

623
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: So I think they look like a slightly better team.

624
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Speaker 1: Are you pleased with the off season? Mark? As a

625
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: Browns fan, it's a B B plus the new regime.

626
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not displeased with it. I think we

627
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: nailed it up top though that if Brian Hoyer is not,

628
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, a franchise guy and we've seen nothing, what

629
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: we've seen is far too limited to really know that

630
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: they need to find a quarterback or the story remains

631
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: the same. They're not gonna We talked about this months

632
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: and months ago after he heard his knee coming off

633
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: the strong little run of play he had. There's not

634
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a scenario where the Browns actually get behind

635
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Speaker 1: Hoyer to the point where they don't look at the

636
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Speaker 1: top of the draft a quarterback, right, That's not gonna happen,

637
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: is I think the problem a little bit for any

638
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Speaker 1: of these teams up in the top seven eight picks

639
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Speaker 1: is like, you do you do you have a quarterback

640
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Speaker 1: that you pick there that you aren't overvaluing. I don't

641
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: know the end, so I just think that it seems

642
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: like that group of quarterbacks. There isn't that Andrew luck

643
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: guy out there. There isn't they're taking a quarterback. There

644
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: is no number four, No, not maybe not at number four.

645
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Speaker 1: But there is no chance that they get out of

646
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: the first two rounds of this draft. I would say

647
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Speaker 1: two rounds, maybe three, without taking a quarterback in the

648
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: first round draft right, they have three picks early in

649
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: the draft. One of those picks is going to quite right,

650
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't agree more. But I think then

651
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Speaker 1: the land then you suddenly have uh like a Derek

652
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: Carror as your franchise quarterback, and I'm not we just

653
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. And there's there's no doubt

654
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on Kevin Costner right now.

655
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: And it's one of those situations right now. Last draft

656
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: ever in the country veteran not on this roster, specifically

657
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: Rex Grossman starts Week one. I think that's a disaster.

658
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean over Brian have a entire chance of staying

659
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: in Tybee. I think Brian Hoyer coming off in a

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Speaker 1: c L injury seemed like a great bet historic Week one,

661
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see. I think I think that

662
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: he Um has a fan in Pennon. But but you're

663
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: if you talked about someone else, maybe Rex Grossman. Yeah,

664
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Speaker 1: I understand that he knows Shanahan's offense, but that's outside

665
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: of that. What's the upside? Think if you put a

666
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Rex Grossman against Brian Hoyer coming off an a c

667
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: L injury and make it a fair competition, Grossman will

668
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: look better than Yeah, and I would take I would

669
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: take Grossman to the holier thing mystifies me. A guy

670
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: who was a fourth quarterback that nobody wanted a year ago,

671
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: plays three okay games and then has a torn e

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00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: c L and you're counting on anything but just competing

673
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: for a two or three spot. I want to know, Greg,

674
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: you want what the differences and you and you're looking

675
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: at him as a guy that couldn't get a snap

676
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: obviously ever in New England, but in Cleveland. Three good

677
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: games Inburger, Arizona, well, but three good games in a

678
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: row in Cleveland after what's happened is one of those

679
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: things that's memorable to that fan base. That's the difference.

680
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: But it's dangerous. I think he wasn't even there last year,

681
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: but you do see the difference though. That's I in Cleveland.

682
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: That sticks out. A year later, we had three good

683
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: games in a row. But that's fans. That's I'm surprised

684
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: the team would think that. We don't know what the

685
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: team think. That kind of goes back to what we

686
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: were saying, like, that's the dangerous thing that because you've

687
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: had no success, this guy that was basically nobody has

688
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: a little bit success, and then you put too much

689
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: stock into that just because you've just cut the other

690
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks that even had played. Greg's right, they're gonna

691
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: draft someone. He's going to be given every chance to compete.

692
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: Rex gross From probably will be on the team a

693
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: week from now. If to answer your question, if he's

694
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: starting week one, that is ripe territory for you to

695
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: go all out as you did last year on Cleveland's

696
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: group of quarterbacks, you will have a field day. It

697
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: is an epic disaster if he starts week one. Alright,

698
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: let us just there. I love when Cecil gets intense

699
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: and makes me. It makes me feel alive. The Pittsburgh

700
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: Steelers Chris Westling, who, by the way, the pointing which

701
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: usually happens at me, was going at you. There was sweets.

702
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: How would you feel Rex Gross was the Jets starter disaster.

703
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I just caught heat earlier in the pod about Chris Johnson.

704
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: We got we got a deal with something, disaster you

705
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: worked up. I really think it's a possibility without a country.

706
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Greg has known nothing but glory for the past fifteen years.

707
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: They don't know what it's like, but I know what

708
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: it's like. Mark West Steelers, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Greg did

709
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: before long ago. He knew as well. Uh, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

710
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: The youth movement, is it finally on? I think it is.

711
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: I think we've seen them release some guys, and Greg

712
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: and I talked about this in the newsroom yesterday. I

713
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: think the guys they've lost aren't that great. They're just

714
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: average starters. That's that's who Lamar Woodley has been the

715
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: last three years. That's who Emmanuel Sanders is, That's who

716
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: Ryan Clark is now Jericho Contry. These guys aren't hard

717
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: to replace. So I think they they're fine with a

718
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: youth movement, And I think really this draft for them

719
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: is as important as any draft for any team. They

720
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: need a big, physical wide receiver and a guy who

721
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: can come in and be their number one quarter cornerback.

722
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: You know, what they need is Todd Haley and Ben

723
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger and an offensive line that in theory has some

724
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: talent to it to own this division. They have the

725
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: most continuity of any group in this division. They're the

726
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: only team that has the same offensive coordinator as a

727
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: year ago. Right, I mean Kubiak to me is a

728
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: big upgrade in Baltimore, so that that's a plus. But

729
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: they have continuity. They need this offense to be great

730
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: because when you look at the defense, it's not that exciting.

731
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: And the guys they add this offseason, Mike Mitchell is

732
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: the headliner of their free agent crop. One thing to

733
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: note on their offensive line, when they move Calvin Beecham

734
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: to left tackle over last eight games of the season,

735
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: they give only seven sacks in eight games. That's a major,

736
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: major upgrades. They have solidified their offense and rare consistency

737
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: because that line, you know, and also look at who's

738
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: who's the coach of that line? Now that is a

739
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: huge And Marks Pence he missed the entire season. He's

740
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: coming back. I O. One thing about Pittsburgh where I

741
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: think they pulled something away from what Baltimore have liked

742
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: to do. Garrett Blunt, I think that's a nice addition

743
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh to pair with Bell. That would have been

744
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: a great fit for the Ravens, and that's stealing from

745
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: your rival right there. In my opinion, they should have

746
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: the best offense in the division by far. And plus

747
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: they add my boy Lance More. What a weird free

748
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: agent crop that Not that I expect Lance Moore to

749
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: be that great, but more Mike Mitchell, Darius Heyward Bay

750
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: and La Garrett Blunt. That's a Motley Crewe's Prey's weird

751
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: that they sign anyone, because that's like high level acquisitions

752
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: for the Steelers. It's kind of a typical Steelers thing.

753
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: They usually go for below average starters at discount rates. Uh. Finally,

754
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, West You you wrote it very well.

755
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: I thought it was a nice turner phrase that the

756
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: franchises unprecedented streak of three straight playoff appearance has led

757
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: to a quote brain drain, with offensive coordinator Jade J.

758
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: Gruden and defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer each landing head coaching

759
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: jobs elsewhere. Now it's Hugh Jackson and Paul Gunther. They're

760
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: asked to take the lead and you think that's gonna

761
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: be a major issue for the team. Well, Zimmer particularly,

762
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: I thought he was for the last few years the

763
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: best assistant coach in the NFL. I mean, he's been

764
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: spectacular as their defensive boss. I don't think that losing

765
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: Jay Gruden, if you're promoting Hugh Jackson is a big loss.

766
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: Jake Gruden is fine. I just think Hugh Jackson is

767
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: really good and has been underappreciated himself. I'd almost called

768
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: Jackson an upgrade because of what we've seen since. Hey,

769
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: he's a good play caller, and I think we talked

770
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: about this on the last podcast, but he's kind of

771
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: talked about getting Andy Dalton back to what Andy Dalton is.

772
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: I like that. I think this is an upgrade for

773
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Not on defense, though, I totally agree, because

774
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: the passing game, we've seen it, and we've seen what

775
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Jackson has done in his previous spots. I'm more optimistic

776
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: about their offense and I'm much less optimistic about their

777
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: defense now than a year ago. Okay, Weston, what what

778
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: is the loss of Michael Johnson to this team. He's

779
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: been one of the best pass rushers. I guess They're

780
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: counting on three guys coming back from injury, Geno Atkins,

781
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: Leon Hall and a guy I really like, Emmanuel Lemur,

782
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: who was a speedy range linebacker. Who's gonna take James

783
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: Harrison's spot. With these three guys coming back, maybe they

784
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: can make up for the Harrison loss and the Michael

785
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: Johnson loss. Aren't the Bengals just due to slide back

786
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: to the pack, well it's overdue. Well historically, yes, they're

787
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: always due to slide back to the pack. But just

788
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: even as a any team that makes the playoffs three

789
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: straight years as the eleven or twelfth best playoff team

790
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: and doesn't win a game, it just they just feel

791
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: ripe for a six and ten Saturday, the first Saturday

792
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: of the playoffs won't be the same without um, all right,

793
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: So that is the a f C North. We will

794
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: conclude our series on Friday. What's left? We have one more.

795
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: We've got the NFC North on Friday, and we're also

796
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: going to give you our winners and losers from the

797
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: whole shebang. It will be an overview a shebang situation. West.

798
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: You will not be there and we will be hurting

799
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: without you, But you know where to come and text me. Yeah,

800
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: we will. We're gonna touch base. We did, of course

801
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: during the season famously for our listeners anyway, called West

802
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: at his local establishing, uh, what is it called bar

803
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: in Tybee Island. We called up the bar and got

804
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: West on the phone at some state. We're gonna do

805
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: that again. Maybe you don't know, and well, we'll never know.

806
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: We're gonna call whenever. We're just gonna assume you're at

807
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: the bar. Though. It's it's better come back to us. Yeah,

808
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: eight percent chance West does not come back. Let's hope

809
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: that the odds are with us. Patrick's in Chicago being like,

810
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: don't come down, all right, West, We'll enjoy your time

811
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: and definitely come back to us. Uh, we will be

812
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: back on Friday. As I said signing off, this is

813
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: Dan hansis for the mailman, the Boss, the sizzler, and

814
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: the gold standard behind the glass. It was like a

815
00:42:54,600 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: little like oh,