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Speaker 2: But first of all, thank you for being in Miami.

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Speaker 1: you can get yourself you're in your head two indifference,

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Speaker 1: then you've kind of you then there's no room in

440
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: your life for that kind of hate. And that's where

441
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: I had gotten with Kamala, like okay, she said it

442
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: it's over, let's move on, And that's what I felt.

443
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: We did because actually she was as you know, Joe

444
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: chose her as vice president, so you know, you had

445
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: to know where our heads were, especially Joe's. He was

446
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: the one who chose her.

447
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: But there was a there was a little game, you

448
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: will not a little game, but there was a little process.

449
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to read about this in the book.

450
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: You have to read about this in the book. But

451
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: there was a little process you guys went.

452
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: Through where you were he had asked you to sit

453
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: in on the on some of the meetings or most

454
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: of the meetings, and then he said, let's each of

455
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: us put three names on an envelope and you and and.

456
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: See when we coincide.

457
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: And I guess you you.

458
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: Did this a few times and then it was like

459
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: a feudal exercise.

460
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: But tell me, Jill Bien, what were the names in

461
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: your envelope?

462
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: Well?

463
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 3: Amongst friends?

464
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, amongst friends. Uh So what we did, Joe, it

465
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: was during COVID. It was like something a silly little game.

466
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: And he said, you pick your top three choices and

467
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: I'll pick my top three choices and we'll open the envelopes,

468
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, every two weeks. And so the first week

469
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: we did it was like nothing matched, and then the

470
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: second week, same thing, and then I think the last

471
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: time we did it, I we never opened the envelopes.

472
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: So I don't know who he had down as his

473
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: final choices. I don't so I'll never know whether his

474
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: choices was Kamala and your envelope, well, that remains to

475
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: be seen.

476
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: Okay, of course Kamala was in my envelope. I have

477
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: to say I went to that White House a lot,

478
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: and I saw a great deal of cooperation, mutual respect,

479
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: and genuine fondness between Doug and Hoff and you and

480
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: Kamala and Joe and both of you as couple. But

481
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: let's talk about another couple, why don't we. So let's

482
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: talk about the swearing in, which you write about in

483
00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: the swearing in of Donald Trump, and you're in president, Yeah,

484
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: and you go to the White House and there is

485
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: this there is this tradition where you ride over with

486
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: with Milania. So you're in a in a in a

487
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: in a limo riding over with Milannia and the poor

488
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: husband of Amy Klovichar, John, You write about that ride

489
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: over to the swearing and and to quote the great

490
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: American linguist George W.

491
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: Bush, that was some weird ship.

492
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so tell us about that clover.

493
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: So what they do do which is really funny. So

494
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: they I don't know who came up with it. Somebody,

495
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, a long time years ago, came up with

496
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: the idea that someone from the inauguration committee would ride

497
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: in each car. You know, the presidents have someone ride

498
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: the first lady vice president, et cetera. So John Beshler,

499
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: who is Amy Klovichar's husband. You know, she's from the midwest, Minnesota, Minnesota,

500
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: and so I, you know, I knew him as a

501
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: senate's spouse, and I always thought he was kind of

502
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: quiet and and not not loquacious at all. Well, we

503
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: get into the car and thank god he was there

504
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: because he gets in and Amy Clovi char must have

505
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: said him, John, I know you're quiet, but step up

506
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: your game. You know, you have to ask, and they

507
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: probably I bet they sat down together and wrote out

508
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: the questions, like well, because he started in right as

509
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: they closed the door, He's like, how's Baron? Where's he

510
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: in school? And so and her have friends? Does he

511
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: have friends? Do you have a dog? You know She's

512
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: like yes, no, yes no. It was like so tense,

513
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: and you know, we're all like when is this going

514
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: to be over? And how long is that? Right? Well

515
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: it's from too long? No, yeah, too long, but it's

516
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: like ten minutes. But you can imagine because it's somebody

517
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: usually from you know, the other party who's won, right

518
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: usually because that's why you're out of office. And oh

519
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: my god, it was it was funny and I thought,

520
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get out of this car. I'm

521
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: going to write down everything that was said, and I

522
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: did so because it was like so unusual, and.

523
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 4: They take notes, so thinking.

524
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: About taking There were a lot of people who lifelong friends,

525
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: not a lot but a few who are lifelong friends

526
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: of Joe's, of you a lot. I think you got

527
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: a list, don't you. Well hold on, let me finish

528
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: my thought. Yeah, who came out in public personally came

529
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: out in public and said that Joe needed to step down,

530
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: that Joe had cognitive issues, that Joe was too old.

531
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: We all know what happened.

532
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: How was that for you to to listen.

533
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: To Nancy Pelosi on TV read the George Clooney editorial

534
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: op ed it just it was.

535
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: It was one after the other, one after the other.

536
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: There were a lot of anonymous quotes, supposedly of staff,

537
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: and there were a lot of people pushing for that.

538
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: So I just.

539
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: Sums that Joe has been in public servant for fifty years.

540
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: That's a long time. And along the way, I mean,

541
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: you can imagine we made like so many friends on

542
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle, because when Joe was in

543
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: the Senate, Republicans and Democrats got along so beautifully. Yes

544
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: they disagreed, but then you'd go out to dinner with them,

545
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: or you would go to their kids will play, or

546
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, like we were all friends. And I know

547
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: it's probably really hard for you to especially the younger

548
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: people in this audience. That's probably really hard for you

549
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: to imagine, but I want to tell you there was respect.

550
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: These men and women had integrity, and yes they disagreed,

551
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: but then once they were off that center floor, they

552
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: were friends. And it was just so these friendships that

553
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: Joe and I had for over you know, fifty years,

554
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: that's a long time, fifty years. And when people started

555
00:33:54,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: saying things about Joe publicly, and it was it was

556
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: really helpful. I mean, it was really hurtful. And it

557
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: wasn't just me and Joe. I mean, you have to

558
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: remember we'd been in public life for a long time,

559
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: but our kids had two But it's one thing to

560
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: see your spouse hurt. I want to tell you, it's

561
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: a whole different level to see your children and your

562
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: grandchildren and hear their calls to you, and here actually

563
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: calling and saying, Mommy, tell Daddy, he can't get out.

564
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: He cannot get out. People are counting on him. He

565
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: has to continue. And to hear our grandkids and that

566
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: was the tough part. And so when Joe realized that

567
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party wasn't going to support him, you know,

568
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: he made the decision. We were at our beach house

569
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: in Rehoboth's, Delaware or Hobath Beach, and I can remember

570
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: that night going upstairs to bed. We got in bed

571
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: and Joe took my hand and you know, I said, Joe,

572
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: how are you feeling? You know, how how are you?

573
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: And he said, Jilly, I had no choice. And that

574
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: was it. I mean, that was it. He had no choice.

575
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 3: Yes, people who you knew for fifty years, And I've

576
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: got to tell you this. So Joe came on the view.

577
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: After he'd withdrawn from the race, and I talked to him.

578
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: I think it was on a commercial grape actually.

579
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: About Nancy Pelosi, and he said to me, you know,

580
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: politics is politics.

581
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 3: You know, I understand it. But Jill, she's a talent.

582
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 5: And you're right in the epilogue of his book, you

583
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 5: are the.

584
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: Very sad funeral of Patiana Schlasberg, the daughter of Caroline

585
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: Kennedy Schlasberg, who died tragically, very young, of a cancer,

586
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: and you're right on there. Many people from our political

587
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: universe attended. As the priest encouraged those in attendance to

588
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: share the sign of the piece, Joe walked two pews

589
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: behind us and held out his hand to Nancy Pelosi.

590
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: I instinctively knew what was happening without even turning around. Peace,

591
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: let's be friends. They hugged and she kissed him on

592
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: the cheek. Old school both of them.

593
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: Have you talked to Nancy Pelosi?

594
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: I have not talked to Nancy Pelosi.

595
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you were at the same funeral.

596
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: Right, I was at the same funeral. I knew she

597
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: was going to be there. I didn't see her, so

598
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: but I got the guest list. I knew she was

599
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: going to be there. But can I tell you remember

600
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: what I just said about the way it used to be,

601
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: how people, you know, did respect one another. And so

602
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: we were at the church and it was, you know,

603
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: for those of you who are Catholic, and actually my

604
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: church's Presbyterian, you know, sign a piece. But I knew

605
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: Joe was on the end. And when they said sign

606
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: a piece, Joe left the pew and he walked back

607
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't even turn my head, and I knew

608
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: instinctively exactly what was happening behind me. You know how

609
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: you just you know someone after being married for fifty years,

610
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: you just know who they are, And that's who Joe was,

611
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: and he walked back to her and said, let's be friends.

612
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: And they weren't going to let this destroy you know,

613
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: to have this grudge that would go on and on.

614
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: And I must say, even as hurtful as it was

615
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: with Joe's cancer diagnosis, when you think about that and

616
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: you're going through life every day and you're thinking that

617
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: each day is a gift because you don't know how

618
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: many more you're gonna get, a lot of those grudges

619
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: suddenly mean nothing. They do because you think, you know what,

620
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: so much more of life is so much more important.

621
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: And I think you know, that's where I've come to

622
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: as Joe's wife, as you know, as just someone who

623
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: loves him. I mean, you just gotta let it go.

624
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: You can't let it eat it you. You gotta let

625
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: it go.

626
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: And you also talk about losing both, yeah, and we are,

627
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: of course at a Jewish temple. We're at a temple,

628
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: and you say that losing both really tested your faith,

629
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: made you lose your faith. Have you recovered it?

630
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: I think I have recovered it. You know, when Bo died,

631
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: he was forty six. He had Clive Less stoma brain cancer.

632
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: He suffered for over a year and they kept the

633
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: doctors kept saying, he's going to live, this is going

634
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: to turn around, this is going to turn around. And I,

635
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, I was praying and praying and praying, and

636
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: for those of you, I pray to God nobody in

637
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: here has lost a child. But and then you say,

638
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, God, you know, take me, take me, don't

639
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: take my child. And I think I never believed he

640
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: was going to you know, I never believed God couldn't

641
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: hear my prayers and took him. And so after that,

642
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: I lost my I couldn't go to church anymore. I

643
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: mean I just couldn't go. I couldn't get past that.

644
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: And we were in South Carolina, Joe and I in

645
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: a church and we happened to be there, I think,

646
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: for a campaign event, and a woman came up to

647
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: me and I was in the front pew. She was

648
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: a pastor's wife. I hadn't met her before she comes up.

649
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: She kneels down beside me and she took my hand

650
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: and she said, Jill, I want to be your prayer partner.

651
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: And I sort of looked at her and I thought

652
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: prayer partner. I never heard of this prayer partner. I

653
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: don't know what she's talking about. And she said, give

654
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: me your phone number, and I did, and she called me,

655
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: and you know, I felt that God had sent her

656
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: to me to say, Okay, Jill, it's time you need

657
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: to come back to the church. And so that was

658
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: several years ago, and do you know to this day,

659
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: even today, her name is Robin. She and I text,

660
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: we talk, we pray, and I think that was God's way.

661
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 6: Of, you know, reaching out to me. So that touched

662
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 6: me deeply.

663
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: My brother died twenty five years ago today, and my

664
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: mother lost her faith.

665
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: She passed away a few years ago as a result.

666
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: And I just think it tests your metal in a way,

667
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: and it changes a family forever, and the loss is

668
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: with you forever. I probably miss him more today.

669
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: Than I did never.

670
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: But I want to be your gossip partner.

671
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go back to this partner. Let's go back.

672
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: I never had heard of that.

673
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: I'm telling you you needed a Tina gossip partner in

674
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: your life so bad.

675
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 3: But you write in.

676
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: The book about the day of the swearing in and

677
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: it's the last in the White House, and you write

678
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: that you wake up and there is like the window

679
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: is fogged up it's frosted and all steami, and you

680
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: write that you could have written a message and nobody

681
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: would have seen it because it would have disappeared until

682
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 2: the day you did write a message, didn't you What

683
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: was the message?

684
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: I did write a message, Yes, I did.

685
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: Tell me more, tell me more.

686
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: So remember how cold it was? I mean, I you know,

687
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: I said, like hell has frozen over that day, and

688
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: so I can remember they have radiators in the White House,

689
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: so the you know, the heat was coming up and

690
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 1: it was so cold, and so the windows like were

691
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: like frosty, you know what I mean. And so you

692
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: could write it like when you're in a steam shower

693
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: and so and it was just so tempting. And I

694
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: was up so early because I had to do hair

695
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: and makeup at like someone godly hour, like five o'clock

696
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: or something. No one was awake but me, and I

697
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: thought I should write a message because you know, it

698
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: disappears during the day when the sun is out, but

699
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: then the next day it shows up again. Right, So

700
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: so I did write the message, but like, did I

701
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: leave it? What did I write? I'll never tell. I'll

702
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: never tell. I'll never tell.

703
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, no, I'm getting two bottles of wine

704
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: in her tonight.

705
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: I'm getting that message out of her if it kills me.

706
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: So you know, I've noticed, So we've all noticed.

707
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: Michelle Obama didn't go to the Carter funeral, she didn't

708
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: go to the swearing end. I think she's in this

709
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: stage of her life where it's like, you know what,

710
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: if I don't have to do it, I'm not gonna

711
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: do it.

712
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: If it doesn't bring me joy, I'm not going to

713
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: do it. And as a.

714
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: Fifty four year old woman in menopause, I'm all for that,

715
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: which is why I'm here with you today because it

716
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: brings me joy.

717
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.

718
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like you're very dutiful.

719
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: Do you ever see yourself saying, nah, I'm not doing that. Yeah,

720
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm going with Anna to gossip.

721
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, I am a traditionalist. I don't know.

722
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: I do honor our traditions especially I don't know, I

723
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: just I just do. So. I think every first lady

724
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: has a right to do whatever she wants to do.

725
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: And if you look at how Laura Bush did it

726
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: differently than Barbara Bush, her mother in law, if you

727
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: look at how you know Michelle did it if you

728
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: look at how Hillary did it, if you look at

729
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: how I did it, we all did entirely different things.

730
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I taught you know all the time that

731
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: I was in the White House, and you know, some

732
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: people chose not to do anything while they were there.

733
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: Some people worked really hard. Every woman because they've all

734
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: been women have chosen their own path. And I don't know,

735
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like it's a platform like

736
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: no other in the world. And I swore I would

737
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: never ever waste one day of my platform, and I

738
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: don't think that I did. But I also have to

739
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: honor every other woman so far that's done the job

740
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: in that she's done it, She's done it the way

741
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: that she has wanted to do that, whether we like

742
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: it or not, I think, I mean, Jill Biden, I

743
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: think that the First Lady should have that decision to

744
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: do what she wants.

745
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: So you see, there were so many things you did

746
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: as First Lady while still teaching in a community college.

747
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: You put on some beautiful social events. Your Christmas Is

748
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: at the White House were extraordinary. You had Carlos Alisondo

749
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: as a social secretary. I told you the margaritas were

750
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: so good when you were in office.

751
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: But was that fun?

752
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: Was that was a lot of fun. I mean it

753
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: was a lot of work. I worked every every single day,

754
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: even those days I was teaching. I would come home

755
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 1: and go over to you know, grab a cup of tea,

756
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, get my energy up again, and go over

757
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: to my office. And it was a lot of fun.

758
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean some days were just horrible, but because of

759
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: what happened or what was in the news. But well,

760
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: we started planning those Christmas parties in like March, and

761
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: it took months and months and months and months. But

762
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: you can imagine on my staff, I have to say,

763
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: they are just family to me. I just loved them

764
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: all so much, and we worked so hard together because

765
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: we were all working towards the same goal. You know,

766
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: we wanted to make things better for the American people.

767
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: And that was Joe's whole philosophy, I think, And that's

768
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: why I think he you know, i'm his wife, I

769
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: would say this, but I think he was like such

770
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: a great president because he wanted to help the American people.

771
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: You talk about you talk about your staff being like family.

772
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: Your chief of staff is here, Anthony Bernal somewhere, who's been.

773
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: With you for eighteen years.

774
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: Oh there he is.

775
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: How can you have been married for eighteen years but

776
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: your actual.

777
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: You know, in twenty twenty four, a very vindictive man

778
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: was elected president, and he made no bones about the

779
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 2: fact that if he could come after your family, whether

780
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: it was your staff, they Anthony.

781
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: Was a peanut. It was horrible.

782
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: The attacks on your staff and the attacks on your

783
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: family were a real thing.

784
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 3: And Joe issued some.

785
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 2: Last minute pardons which were very controversial at the time.

786
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 3: Did you speak to him about it? How did those

787
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: how did those parties?

788
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: Now, I stay to I was not involved in the pardons.

789
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: My staff.

790
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: I'm a little pissed. I didn't get a pardoner.

791
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: My you know, my staff was not involved in the pardons.

792
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: That was the West Wing and Joe and and you know,

793
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: Joe said he would never pardon Hunter. He said that

794
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: for a long time, but then because of when Trump

795
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: was elective, Trump said, I'm going to go after Hunter. Biden,

796
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to put him in jail. And we knew

797
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: the process was not going to be fair to our

798
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: son Hunter. And there was no way, you know that

799
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: Joe and I were going to I mean, it was

800
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: Joe's decision, you know, that we were going to let

801
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: him go to jail and so, but the whole pardon process,

802
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it was happening in the West wing.

803
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: It was controversial at the many people criticized it front

804
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: of it. But I think now a year and a

805
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: half into the Trump presidency, when they see the weaponization

806
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: and what's happened to people at James? Call me, what's

807
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: happened to people at Leticia James? These frivolous prosecutions just

808
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: to a piece a vindictive man. All of a sudden,

809
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: those pardons that were so controversial at the time seemed

810
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: to be very logical at least to me. Now, thank

811
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: you you. You talk about this stage in your life

812
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: and this being as one more life stage and what

813
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: else do we have to build?

814
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: So what is this stage like and what do you

815
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: what are you hoping to build?

816
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I have a lot of plans and Joe

817
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: and I are going to I'm going to do a

818
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: lot of it by myself. I've been working on women's

819
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: health a lot with the Milken Institute on chair of that.

820
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: You know, Eduardo, I can't hang out my teacher and choose.

821
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: I just can't do it. And so I'd love to

822
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: go into the women's prison for women who never got

823
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: their ged or would like workforce training and get a job,

824
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: get a certificate. Joe and I want to work on

825
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: cancer together. There's just there's we're building our presidential center.

826
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a good chapter. It's a good chapter.

827
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 3: There are so many things that have been destroyed.

828
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's not it's not just when it's your

829
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: Women's Health initiative. As first lady that was it was

830
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 2: a wonderful initiative that started in conjunction with Maria Shreiver.

831
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: Tell us about that and what that meant to you.

832
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: So Maria came Maria Shriver, first Lady of California. I

833
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: don't know what years, but so she came to my

834
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: office one day and she said, Jill, do you know

835
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: that all the research that's done has been done on men?

836
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: And that's why we women don't have the answers to

837
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: their health problems, you know, And this has been up

838
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: until nineteen ninety three, I think, she said. And I said,

839
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: God no, and she said yeah. And I looked into

840
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: it and even the mice in the labs were male mice.

841
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: Honest to god, how do you study menopause with a

842
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: male mouse? So anyway, I went to Joe and I said, Joe,

843
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: you know, listen to this, and he said, you're right.

844
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: We have to change this. So we started the White

845
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: House Women's Health Initiative. We've put one billion dollars into

846
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: research and funded I mean, all these scientists, and it

847
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: was just it just started a movement. You know, people

848
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: had been working on women's health, but I think once

849
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: the White House put sort of this you know, this

850
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: spotlight on it, the move it just started to move.

851
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: And so I think that women now are beginning to

852
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: get the answers, but it's only the beginning. I mean

853
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: my thing is, you know, at my age, yes we

854
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: should talk about menopause, but for the women in this

855
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: audience that are in their sixties and their seventies and

856
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: their eighties, like, where are the answers for us? Like

857
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: after menopause? What about osteoporosis? What about you know, aging?

858
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: What about the things that we go through? Like nobody's

859
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: talking about it. I mean, we got we need to

860
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: know is this natural aging? Or when is there a problem?

861
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much more we can do with prevention,

862
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: and that's where I think I'd like to teach women

863
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: in rural areas all over the United States about how

864
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: to prevent certain diseases, how to help themselves lead healthier

865
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: lives because women lead longer lives, but they live it

866
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: in poorer health. So we have so much to do,

867
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: and it's exciting that you know, we've women have got

868
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: a band together, you know, just like we did in

869
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: the sixties and the seventies and push our health care.

870
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: We need answers for our health care. And I think

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Speaker 1: and we deserve it. We deserve it, but it's only

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Speaker 1: gonna happen when we all come together and make it happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, at some point, a normal president who respects women

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Speaker 2: will be or who is a woman, will be back

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Speaker 2: in the White House, and that initiative will be revived

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Speaker 2: and you will be part of it. I am sure,

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Speaker 2: but I'm getting given the hook by Christina. But I

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Speaker 2: want to ask you a few last questions.

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Speaker 3: Me.

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Speaker 1: A couple of days ago, I.

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Speaker 3: Was doing a book event with jose Andress. It went

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Speaker 3: over like an hour, so I don't think she's letting

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Speaker 3: me do that.

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Speaker 2: But so, you've been a senator's wife, you've been second

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Speaker 2: Lady of the United States. You've been first Lady of

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Speaker 2: the un United States. You're a mother, a sister, teacher,

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Speaker 2: so many different things. If I ask Jill Biden, who's

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Speaker 2: worn all those hats?

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Speaker 3: What qualities?

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Speaker 2: What characteristics should we be looking for or are you

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Speaker 2: looking for in a that would make a good precedent?

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Speaker 1: What are they a good president? Yeah? I think integrity,

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Speaker 1: I think that has to be. You know, empathy, I

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Speaker 1: think is absolutely trust. I mean just the things that are,

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Speaker 1: you know, not just the characters of the man. They're

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Speaker 1: the characteristics of the American people. That's who we are,

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Speaker 1: and we can't forget that, and we gotta keep fighting

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Speaker 1: for that.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know what I wanted a president somebody

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Speaker 2: that wasn't Jeffrey Epstein's best friend.

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Speaker 3: My bar is low these days.

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Speaker 2: I read a quote the other day, or I read

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Speaker 2: a poll the other day.

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Speaker 3: We're about to.

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Speaker 2: Celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America, and

906
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Speaker 2: I read this pool where only one out of five

907
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Speaker 2: Democrats are feeling proud of their country. Are you proud

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Speaker 2: of your country? And how are you feeling as we're

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Speaker 2: approaching this that ever?

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Speaker 1: Proud of my country? I mean, I love this country.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure everybody in this audience loves this country.

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Speaker 2: So as a as a refugee, refuge and opportunity in

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Speaker 2: this country.

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Speaker 3: I'm very proud of my country. I am very ashamed

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Speaker 3: of this. Another way to show there, they're very.

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Speaker 1: You won't have them forever, though, Just remember that they're

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Speaker 1: not going to be here forever.

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Speaker 3: Talking about being here forever or not.

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Speaker 5: There were a lot of people, a lot of people

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Speaker 5: on TV, pundits, journalists, a lot of people talking about

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden's age and whether he was he had cognitive decline,

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Speaker 5: whether he was toold to be president.

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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering. So Donald Trump sits there you want

924
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Speaker 2: you don't want to elect a woke president? Well you

925
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Speaker 2: didn't because he's falling asleep practically every day in the

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Speaker 2: Oval office. His ankles are the size of tree trunk.

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Speaker 1: His why didn't say any of this?

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Speaker 3: His hat bruce, and he's got the.

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Speaker 1: Neck you really watch it. I can't even watch it on.

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Speaker 3: This is why I want to be your gossip partner.

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Speaker 2: But are you bothered that there doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 2: anywhere near the energy that there was about Joe's health.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a double standard for sure. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just I just seld.

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Speaker 3: Is that all you want to sell? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you told us everything. God, all these medical problems

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know about, show you Okay.

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Speaker 3: Last thing I want to ask you.

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Speaker 2: Is you you talk in the book about how many

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Speaker 2: people come up to you, and you know, I think

941
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Speaker 2: they feel like they want comfort from you.

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Speaker 3: I just I mean, you know, they they just.

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Speaker 2: Want a hug, They want words, they want eyes, they

944
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Speaker 2: want guidance as to how we're going to get through

945
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Speaker 2: this very tumultuous time. So as we end tonight this event,

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Speaker 2: what is your message to people who feel hopeless and

947
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Speaker 2: who feel helpless right now?

948
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Speaker 3: What is your message to Americans who feel that way?

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Speaker 1: You know, I do hear from a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: As you can imagine, I don't care whether I'm in

951
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Speaker 1: exercise class, whether I'm in the airport, in the ladies room.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they're basically like banging on my

953
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Speaker 1: stall door, and you know they said, oh, I mean,

954
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Speaker 1: there's so tragic. Their stories are so tragic. You know,

955
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Speaker 1: I've lost my job, you know, I mean, just on

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Speaker 1: and on and on. But I do have hope. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do have hope in the people in this of

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Speaker 1: this country. I mean, I do feel that things are

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00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: going to turn around. And the things that I see

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Speaker 1: the me hope. For instance, what's being done in cancer

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Speaker 1: research and the young researchers I see all the time,

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Speaker 1: you know, studying things and making and finding all these discoveries,

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Speaker 1: and and people who are saying, I'm gonna, Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: been pretty rocky, but I'm going to get back into government,

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Speaker 1: and people are looking for who they're going to young

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Speaker 1: people who they're going to support in office. And so

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Speaker 1: I you know, I'm old enough. I hate to say that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've lived through Vietnam, and I live through

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Speaker 1: you know, the death of the Kennedys, and I've lived

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01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: through as many of you have, the terrible things in

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Speaker 1: this country that have gone on. But we're survivors. Americans

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Speaker 1: are survivors. And I really think that even though this

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01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: is really a tough time and sometimes it feels like

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Speaker 1: so crazy, we're going to get through it, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully we're gonna learn from our mistakes and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go on and be stronger than we ever have before.

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Speaker 1: I have hope.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you two more things?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, how did you feel when you saw

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Speaker 2: Alex Prett renee Good being assassinated on the streets of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: I felt like everybody else felt.

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Speaker 2: And then the last thing, I'm gonna ask you because

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Speaker 2: I think there's so many families that are touched by addiction.

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Speaker 2: My family has been touched by addiction. My husband's daughter

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Speaker 2: died as a result of addiction. What is your message

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Speaker 2: to people who may be in the audience today are

987
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 2: hearing this? By the way, this is being recorded for

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Speaker 2: my podcast Bleep with that Anovaru, What is your message

989
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: to people who are who are dealing with this right now?

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Speaker 3: It is so tough?

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Speaker 1: How do it is tough? And you know, every family

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Speaker 1: deals with it differently, and so many families are dealing

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Speaker 1: with it, whether it's alcohol or drugs. For us, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we dealt with it for I don't know how many years,

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01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 1: a long time, and after bo died, things did get

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01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: worse than they had been. You know, I felt like

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01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: my family was so out of control. But I don't know,

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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: it's really tough, and but I hope people feel that

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Speaker 1: they're they're not alone. And I hope that I don't

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01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: feel with my own family we got enough counseling because

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01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: I felt like we were trying to constantly, you know,

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Speaker 1: tamp it down, tamp it down. We didn't talk. It

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Speaker 1: was just so painful, and you know, rehab after rehab

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Speaker 1: after rehab, and uh, it's it's it's really hard because

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Speaker 1: you feel like, look at what I gave my child.

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01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I tried to give him or her the

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01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: best of everything. But it's a disease. It's a disease.

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01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: And if you can deal with it that way and

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Speaker 1: reach out, don't don't be afraid to reach out for help.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that we hadn't reached out earlier and

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01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: gotten more help. But you know, and even now, I

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Speaker 1: think I still think that there's a stigma. But before

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Speaker 1: I think it was really stigmatized to have a child

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Speaker 1: who was who was a drug addict, and and so

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Speaker 1: they were the times. But now I think it's becoming

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Speaker 1: more acceptable because there are a lot more families are

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Speaker 1: dealing with it, and please don't feel that you're alone.

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Speaker 1: Please reach out and get help.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: In part, in part that the taboo and the stigma

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Speaker 2: is lesser because of people like you, like Joe.

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Speaker 3: I still remember, I still remember hearing.

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Speaker 1: That voicemail that Joe left for Hunter Path. I love

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Speaker 1: you that.

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Speaker 2: Republicans though Trumper's thought that a father expressing that level

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Speaker 2: of love and support for a son going through du

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Speaker 2: drug addiction.

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Speaker 1: Was a bad thing, but I wanna. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here tonight. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for having Yeah, thank you ordinary first lady.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you this conversation and for having

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Speaker 2: up your heart and written this book.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Everybody.

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