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Speaker 1: that you just missed, barely missed a rant my covid rant.

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Speaker 1: It's good, it was impressed. Don't waste your time here, Clay, Uh, Clay.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start because because I don't think you've pronounced

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Speaker 1: calling Clay Newcomb Newcombe man one time, one time, Clay

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Speaker 1: Newcomb Newcombe. Here's a good one for you. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's Newcomb like like Newcomb, like Newcombe. We're gonna nukem

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Speaker 1: I told you that because I used to pronounce your name.

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Speaker 1: How did I pronounce it? And somebody literally said yan Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said Ryan Nella, that's great emphasis on the rye.

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Speaker 1: I like it, Ryan Nella. Somebody was like, if you

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Speaker 1: Ryan Nella, Ronella, Clay Newcomb, Nukem, nukem whatever, you whatever,

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Speaker 1: North Korea. We're gonna newkem. Um. Uh, here's one for you.

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Speaker 1: Do you know this about? This is in your wheelhouse. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's a guy we know, Damon bun Guard. You ever

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Speaker 1: met him? Oh? Yeah, yeah, he's a friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: He's taken up. Like you know, I have a someday

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take up the cause of that that I

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Speaker 1: wanted there to be federal blaze orange laws where blaze orange,

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Speaker 1: And it would be like people, no vest. If you

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Speaker 1: I know I believe in states rights and all that

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Speaker 1: This is one all the way to the top Supreme Court. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: it was like seven to So an individual state, Soldomeyer,

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get back. So an individual state couldn't

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Speaker 1: like in Georgia. Uh, in Georgia, the like the governor

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Speaker 1: the governor of Georgia sued the mayor of Atlanta. No,

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Speaker 1: Do me a favorite bring bringing everybody up to speed.

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Speaker 1: Forget all that with what he's talking about. Well so,

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Speaker 1: And he says, usually, and Damon's emailed me about this.

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Speaker 1: Usually the turning point and in legislation, in the legislation

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Speaker 1: process is clarifying that we're talking about animals that are

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Speaker 1: on the leech. That's right, So they're not out free roaming,

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Speaker 1: and it's not. There's no risk of it crossing fence

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Speaker 1: you can have a dog on a leashan blood trail

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Speaker 1: flames sit overnight in the fridge to complete the rigor cycle.

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Speaker 1: If you cook fish right out of the water, you'll

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Speaker 1: notice the flames really scrunch up on the grill and

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Speaker 1: just like your guests said about red meat, and the

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Speaker 1: meat is kind of chewy, almost a bit rubbery. I

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Speaker 1: never thought much about it, always figured the fresh or

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Speaker 1: the better. After hearing this from my buddy, I noticed

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Speaker 1: a huge difference when you let the flames sit in

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Speaker 1: the fridge overnight, then on the counter to room temp

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Speaker 1: before grilling. He feels that this is especially true with

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Speaker 1: bottom fish, him saying that I could picture what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: I want to scrunches up, it almost becomes thicker. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know that's interesting because when we did uh, then

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Speaker 1: he goes out and say, you probably already know this.

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Speaker 1: I'll be like, uh huh, I bet Yoannie did. When

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Speaker 1: we we cooked, we grilled small mouth filet's on the

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Speaker 1: half shell, skin on and uh. We had caught him

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Speaker 1: that day probably around I don't know, noon one and

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Speaker 1: grilled him at six and they definitely had that like

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Speaker 1: they got short. It started off as maybe a ten

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Speaker 1: inch file at and ended up being an eight inch

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Speaker 1: fil a And it was an inch and a half thick,

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Speaker 1: and when it was done cooking, it was two inches thick.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. Here's the digression. UM, Tony Collared Ross he

446
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Speaker 1: does some deep drop fishing. They fisht of water for

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Speaker 1: sable fish. And I just acquired my own deep drop

448
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Speaker 1: rod and reel. And you know what I mean. Seth

449
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Speaker 1: have our show on CBS called the Flip Flop Flasher's

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Speaker 1: First Shed Saturday morning program. No, it goes up against

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Speaker 1: the nightly news. Um competes well against the nightly news.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start a new show called Deep Drop Boys

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Speaker 1: and What it is boy Z. You see people would

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Speaker 1: watch it. Deep Drop Boys and what it is to me?

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Speaker 1: And Seth travel to all corners of the world where

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Speaker 1: the water is deep, and Um we set my deep

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Speaker 1: drop rod down there and see if anything's down there.

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Speaker 1: You know what would make the show work is if

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Speaker 1: you had a second deep drop round with one of

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Speaker 1: those magnets on it. Have you seen those treasures down there?

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Speaker 1: Ye shall be the treasure guy. He'll be like his deal.

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Speaker 1: He's like a big treasure guy and I'm a big

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Speaker 1: fish guy. Like we argue a lot, We argue a lot,

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Speaker 1: deep drop boys, that would go that would be on

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Speaker 1: the History Channel. Our first episode is gonna be We're

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Speaker 1: gonna call it, We're gonna need more line. And then

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Speaker 1: the second episode is called Antipities. And Uh, for your

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Speaker 1: listeners at home, remember when you're a little kid and

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Speaker 1: you thought that if you dug down straight through Earth

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Speaker 1: you would be in China. Um, I think that's for

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Speaker 1: most Americans. That is, uh, absolutely not true. But in

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Speaker 1: the Antipities episode, we deep drop a spot. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's say where we make our episode We're gonna need

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Speaker 1: more line. Then we go to the antipities of that

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Speaker 1: spot and deep drop that spot, which is exact opposite

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Speaker 1: place on the Earth. See how close the baits are

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Speaker 1: if we snagged the hook. He goes all the way through. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what else I got? Then we get oh, this is

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Speaker 1: interesting for people to hear about. Uh. People aren't aware

480
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Speaker 1: of this, but there's an ongoing competition globally to know

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Speaker 1: what is the oldest representational art in the world. Um,

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Speaker 1: and it's always being you know, when it gets beaten.

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Speaker 1: This is I can see Rick get excited. This is guys,

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Speaker 1: I feel like Rick, like Kave Payne's I do like

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Speaker 1: so you just smiled and I said, oh, I just

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00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: say Kate Payte's Rick smiling. I don't know much about

487
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Speaker 1: him though, A lion figurine or something. Yeah, yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: get the No, no, no, it's not it's humans hunting

489
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Speaker 1: way old, way old, but um it's not a great way.

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Speaker 1: Did you see Herzog something Kava Forgotten Dreams. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: went to that with my buddy Ben Wallace, he's a writer,

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Speaker 1: and left and I said, I don't know how you

493
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Speaker 1: can make a bad movie about cave paintings. And he said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you can make a good movie

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Speaker 1: about cave paintings. Just very different views on cave paintings. Um,

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Speaker 1: it was shotting three D. We agree that we didn't

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Speaker 1: like it. I mean, I loved the cave footage, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't like the handling of it because I wanted

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Speaker 1: more anthropology. I wanted less like modern day her jackasses. No,

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Speaker 1: I like her Zag he's one of the best, but

501
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Speaker 1: modern day jackasses talking about what they think people were thinking,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted more anthropology. I can see that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean the skulls in that cave are unbelievable. Yeah,

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00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: and the footage is unbelievable, like stillag tight stillag might

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Speaker 1: crusted cave bear skull. I mean it was. It was cool, stunning,

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Speaker 1: stunning footage. Cave have forgotten dreams. Dude found the cave

507
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: by This is a common cave hunter thing air drafts.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a kid, but the main one.

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Speaker 1: Two kids found it and they like guarded it until

510
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Speaker 1: they could alert the authorities. Maybe that's remember no, I

511
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: remember I'm talking about people would go on these rock

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Speaker 1: faces because the cave mills over time will get covered

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00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: by debris rock, and they go and they feel for

514
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: air flow. I think it's cool air coming out on

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Speaker 1: a hot day. It's like cool air coming through the rock.

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Speaker 1: To find that there's a recess. Uh So this new

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Speaker 1: thing they found um for a while they thought that

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Speaker 1: Europe had the oldest soul previous to this new discovery,

519
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Speaker 1: which is an Indonesia. UM, there was a site in

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Speaker 1: Europe that had where it's like abstract beings thrying thropes.

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Speaker 1: How do you pronounce that theory? And popes Rick Theian

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Speaker 1: popes I love that you would think, I know that

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Speaker 1: m etherean folpe etherean thrope is a uh like an

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Speaker 1: abstract being that combines qualities of both people and animals. Um.

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Speaker 1: And they feel that they arguably communicated like narrative fiction

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Speaker 1: of some kind, like folklore, religious myths, spiritual beliefs. What's

527
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Speaker 1: that data to They start finding evidence of that around

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Speaker 1: forty years ago, and then that that type of thing

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Speaker 1: disappears at the Pleistocene Hola scene transition, so around ten

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Speaker 1: thousand years ago, UM. But prior there was a site

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Speaker 1: in Germany where there was a human with a cat

532
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: head from about forty years ago. Now there's this new

533
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Speaker 1: limestone cave in Indonesia, UM where they have human it's

534
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: human animal hybrids. So these they and thropes are hunting

535
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: wild pigs and a dwarf form of bovid so some

536
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: extinct wild cow species. Probably a good fat on that thing.

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Speaker 1: Forty three point nine thousand years old. Forty four thousand

538
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: years a long time ago to hang out with those guys, man,

539
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: what would have been that different? Didn't hang out? Yanni

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00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: meets in the freezer. Let's get more. No skin as

541
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: far as we can tell, here's one. Here's a good one.

542
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: This is like one of those ones I flagged. Just

543
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: come trying to tell if it's really true. This guy claims.

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Speaker 1: This guy, I don't know. This guy claims that they

545
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Speaker 1: repaired the car. So they're out el cotton. They're in

546
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: a Jeep c J and the lower radiator hose splits.

547
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: They're so deep in the woods that they take the

548
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: esophagus out of the elk and clamp it on and

549
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: drive on out of there. P s I m hm,

550
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: he no, no, I messed up his mom. Okay. The

551
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: dude rode in, saying his mom told him this about

552
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: some other dude. And this dude's saying, like, do you

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00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: buy that. Let's say the heat would break down and

554
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: cook the esophagus and it would uh first under pressure

555
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: eventually fall apart. He blames he blames his inability to

556
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: test this himself on how hard it is a drawn

557
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: elk tag in Michigan. He's got to put it out

558
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: to other people to help him. I think that's a good,

559
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: good subject matter for Spencer's uh MythBuster. Well, Spencer is

560
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: such a pain, and he asked about the MythBuster thing.

561
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: He's a real pain, and he asked about it because

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Speaker 1: every time I come to him with a thing that

563
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: I know to be true, he says, but you're the

564
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Speaker 1: only person that thinks that, or you're the only person

565
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: that wonders that. And he he likes it to be

566
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: a widely held belief now where it comes to pain

567
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: and the ass is he does things that I didn't

568
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: know about. So I'm like, if it was that widely held,

569
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: I would have heard of it. So it's like widely

570
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: held as understood by Spencer. So I can't get I

571
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: can't do the squirrel nut one do squirrels bite the

572
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: nuts off other squirrels and castra? He goes, I feel

573
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: that everyone who believes that heard it from you. But

574
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: I think I finally got him talked into that. But

575
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: I would love it. Don't just secretly put me on

576
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: BCC or whatever and tell Spencer that it's a widely

577
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: held belief that elkosophagus is you know how to say

578
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: esophagus isn't pluralosophic? Guy, uh can just be used to

579
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: replace your right either holes and you drive around and

580
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: he'll do his thing. Be a good problem to have

581
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: to have a fresh elkosophagus Okay, you guys want can

582
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: we do one last one? Two last ones? You're in

583
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: the show. What do you think like if I started

584
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: into another one, are you gonna be like, Oh my god,

585
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: how good it is? Yeah. We recently shared a story

586
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: where a listener got thumb cuffed by a fishing bait.

587
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 1: So he was like, I don't know how. I can't

588
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: remember the exact details. Anyways, he like grabbed the thing

589
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: out of his tackle box. He's he's like checking out

590
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: or fiddling with a rapalla and tripped and got the

591
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: trouble hooks in each of his thumbs in his phones

592
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: in his back pocket. He couldn't even get at his

593
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: phone to get it out. And he went out to

594
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: the road and he's trying to show people driving by,

595
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: like holding his bloody hands up to try to help

596
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: them understand that he needs assistance and couldn't get any

597
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: Eventually had to walk to a bar uh to get

598
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: some help. Nobody would pull over. No, he said, I'm

599
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: holding my He said, I'm holding my blood profusely bleeding

600
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: hands up in the Air's car strive fine, I would

601
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: have stopped. Was he yelling help me? Yeah? I don't

602
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: know if he laid that if he went to a

603
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: bar and got assistance, I'm not maybe I'm overestimated my

604
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: ability to tolerate pain. I think if it got to that,

605
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: I would just be like, just just you really, you

606
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: can't just get it out plug Spencer's deal. Oh yeah,

607
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: there's the article that I don't know yet for sure,

608
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: but I think that because my wife came up to

609
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: me very excited last night and said, look at this photos.

610
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: This is the title of the article. I like it already.

611
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: That's my kind of article. Fish hook Injuries to meet

612
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: eat Fans, And the the title page has a dude

613
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: very much squinting, both his eyes kind of pretty much

614
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: shut because he's got a trouble hook maybe two out

615
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: of the three hooks in an eyeball, and I think another,

616
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: the forward trouble hook is stuck in his hat. And uh, man,

617
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: if you can bypass that and not click to go

618
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: see the rest of them, you're stronger person than I am.

619
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Speaker 1: But I was saying how he probably broke the internet

620
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: with that one. Oh that's like my like, if if

621
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Speaker 1: you know they use that radar gun to get younis

622
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: I p out if you were to use a radar

623
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: gun on my head and be like, what does this

624
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: person want most? It would be like he would most

625
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: want a book of fishing hook stuck in people's pictures,

626
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: r coffee table book. Would it have a little sub

627
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: chapter of sleeve fingers? Yeah? I put it in like

628
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: an appendix in appendix about appendages. Uh. Well, another thing

629
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: to plug isn't our new and our Wilderness Skills and

630
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: Survival book, which will be available this December. You can

631
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Speaker 1: go look at it now online. I think, yeah, I'm

632
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Speaker 1: pretty sure you can go. You can go to Amazon

633
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Speaker 1: right now and check it out. Gigantic book, humongous book.

634
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: The Mediator Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival. We're talking

635
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: here about how to get hooks out, best practices in

636
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: good tricks. I'm getting hooks out, but no, I had

637
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: to go to I had to go to I still

638
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: have us see that. That's when I was like eight

639
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: or nine years old. I'm looking at a half inch

640
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: scar on a thumb treble hooks hook. I picked up

641
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Chris Babcox crank bait on his rod to admire it,

642
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: and he like gave his rod a tug and then

643
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: when it didn't come and you're a little when a

644
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: hook doesn't when your bait doesn't come, and your little kid,

645
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: what do you do? Pull it harder? And he seated

646
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: it in there quite well. Um and I had to

647
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: go and they had to cut it out of there.

648
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: But when you're when your thumb coughed real good, you

649
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: don't just like you'd probably watch to a bar. This

650
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: guy's dog, This is a funny story. So these guys

651
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: are fishing in Minnesota in a boat and it's wavy.

652
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: The dog sits on a crank bait, gets tangled up

653
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: into crank bait and gets both of its back legs

654
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: firmly snagged by the crank bait. That's a bad day.

655
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: The dad is trying to restrain the dog and the

656
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: dogs going ballistic as they do, and pretty soon gets

657
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: its tongue thumb coughed to the same crank bait. Mm

658
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: hm and nod to like to do the dog and

659
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: get into the beach pound dog. Forty five minutes finally

660
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: out at the beach and we're able to get some

661
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: tools to get the dog's tongue and legs. I don't like.

662
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: I don't like filming fishing for that reason. I get

663
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: air that that thing is gonna I'm just gonna get up.

664
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: Even a little fly just right in my face. I

665
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: snagged an ex girlfriend on top of the head once.

666
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: She didn't handle it well, I pulled it out. Um well,

667
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: when you when you film deep drop, boys, we're just

668
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: sending it right down in use circle hooks which don't

669
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: snag people. That goes. You'll be safe on deep drop

670
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: bright perfect. Well he's I might do two z's. Can't

671
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: decide one last quick thing? Um uh. This guy wrote

672
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: in its an interesting story where he works at a

673
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: freight company. And this is a weird story. It's not

674
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: something I don't think it's make believe because you wouldn't

675
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: like make believe this story. It just wouldn't. It doesn't

676
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: serve any purpose to make believe the story. He works

677
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: for a freight company. We recently had some auto parts

678
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: come in Okay and found a bird's nest in one

679
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: of the parts. Not only were they live hatchling in

680
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: the bird's nest. They took the problem to their operations manager,

681
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: who told them just to load it up and send

682
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: it along to the next stop. So as last he knew,

683
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: there's a live baby bird and a bird nest in

684
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: a piece of auto parts headed from Salt Lake City

685
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: to Billings. His curiosity about this event stems from are

686
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: there any laws against transporting hatchlings across state lines? M

687
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: anyone matters what kind of bird it was. If it

688
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: was if it was a game species, absolutely clutch up

689
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: quail or something, mity song bird. You can't. I don't

690
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: think you can miss mess with him. You can order

691
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: up chickens and turkeys and stuff online. So if it

692
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: was a chick it feels poultry. If it was a

693
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: English sparrow, if it was a European startling, or if

694
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: it was a street pigeon, I know you're cool. Yeah.

695
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: If I was a member of like Peter or something,

696
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: I would be scrambling to Billings trying to find them

697
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: to resuscitate this baby bird. Save him. Okay, now we're ready.

698
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: We're ready to go down to brass tacks. Do you

699
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: know what that means? Clay brass tacks? I mean, I

700
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: know what you're trying to say. What I think it

701
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: comes from? Um my understanding? Is it in surveying? Uh?

702
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: When they do a corner post mm hmm, they'll put

703
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: down a corner post and it's got a piece of

704
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: ending it. When you get down to brass tacks, there's

705
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: like a circle of lead that you can do to

706
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: like mark a corner poster thing to get down to

707
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: brass tacks. If you want to get super detailed when

708
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: it really counts, where on the top of that you

709
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: can you will drive a tack I think this is true.

710
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: You will drive attack into that circle to be like

711
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: this is the spot, not this like two inch three

712
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: inch wide thing, but this is the line property like it.

713
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: So we're ready to get down to brass tacks. First,

714
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: I have a quick listener. Note we did COVID. Yeah,

715
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: it's been real pain. So we're going to have interrupt

716
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: um on Wikipedia, which you know they have all the answers.

717
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: There's four different versions of getting down to brass tacks.

718
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't even make a list there. You gotta edit

719
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: that entry, Steve. I'd go in there now. I didn't

720
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: even make a list of four. I'm throwing out the

721
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: earliest at t Station says in eighteen sixty three Texas

722
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: was that um in a hardware store or a draper

723
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: shop that used to measure used to measure cloth in

724
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: precise units and rather than just holding down and stretching

725
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: it out with your arm to approximately one yard, they

726
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: would pin it with a brass tack so they can

727
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: measure it. I don't buy that for a second. There's

728
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: also a practice of using brass tax to spell out

729
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: the initials of the deceased on the top of their coffin.

730
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: Another theory, adorning one's gun stock with brass taxes was

731
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: common in the American West. True, but I don't buy it. Uh.

732
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: And then the last one was nothing about surveying in there.

733
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's sorry. That was the third one. I

734
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: was just a further explanation. So there was three. Huh,

735
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: we know what you're trying to say, Steve. We need

736
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: to make a note, get in there and just to

737
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: validate my stuff. What I'm gonna do is change it

738
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: and then come back and edit this podcast. You don't

739
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: I gonna write the whole thing before it comes out.

740
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: How about this? How about this? Let's just get down

741
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: to the nuts and bolts of it. Yeah, I like it.

742
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: But before we do that, I gotta explained a thing

743
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: that happened. It was unfortunate. Um. So we had arranged

744
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: to have Donald Trump Junior come in and record with us,

745
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: but then we had a COVID scare on our end

746
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: and the day of had to cancel. It was a

747
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: physical visit in the studio, had a COVID scare on

748
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: our and which turned out to be nothing. But like

749
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, I was. You know, everybody's had this, right,

750
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: Like so and so was with so and so, and

751
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, and then you track it down caught up.

752
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: We got caught up in a web. I was positive

753
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: for like the last night, yet the day of the

754
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: three days prior to yesterday, I knew I was positive,

755
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: but you weren't, just because they put that things so

756
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: far off your nose at her No, it's I don't

757
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: know what it is. But I was at a wedding.

758
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: Oh you just yeah, you told me. And then and

759
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: then like midweek I've never had allergies, and midweek I

760
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: developed this like just slightly running nose and um, like

761
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: a slight tickle in my throat like a scratch, you know,

762
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: like early in the morning. And then you know, late

763
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: at night. I'm like, man, yeah, exactly. Or they're cutting

764
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: the hay right now, and this they are cutting hay

765
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: like a mofo in this valley right now putting some

766
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: sanitized just here. What you're talking about, santizm, i'ner santized

767
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: my lips too. Yeah. Anyways, Uh, when I got that

768
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: test result back yesterday, I kind of walked out of there,

769
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: my chest bopped down. Ray to go to the last

770
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: guys because you got cleared. Yeah, yeah, this is a

771
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: COVID free room right here. Bro. Uh now what was

772
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: I saying? Scare? And and I was like, yeah, you know,

773
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: there's a tendency to protect your business and not tell anybody.

774
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: But we told him and and they had to bail.

775
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: Then uh, we rescheduled, and then he had a COVID

776
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: scare on his end. It needed to be careful. So

777
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: in the end we settled on a hotel. You call

778
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: it skype. We had a skype conversation yesterday for thirty

779
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: minutes or so, and so one's left being like, what

780
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, because this is like a podcast that we

781
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: record in person, but there was extenuating circumstances where we

782
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. We still had a conversation, which was

783
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: I think is uh was worthwhile, So we're going to

784
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: put it on here so when you get done with this,

785
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: you'll get done with this and then natal happened. Wow.

786
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: So if all of a sudden is different people talking,

787
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: don't be confused. It's not like he's sitting here the

788
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: whole time we're ignoring him. It's just a It will

789
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: probably sound different too, but that'll go on the end

790
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: of this. So for you listeners one and like what happened,

791
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: that's what happened. We didn't like, yeah, thirty minutes. This

792
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: is like a ninety minute, two hour show. So we're

793
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: just left scratching our head. So that's what we're gonna

794
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna put it on the end of the interview.

795
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: All right. Maybe a few people know who Donald Trump Jr.

796
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: Is the reason I wanted to talk to you, among

797
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: other reasons. Uh, and we'll get into this is one.

798
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: I thought about him a great deal after he was

799
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: on a hunting trip with Jason Harrison, who was a

800
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: founder both Sitka and Cooe You Holding companies. They were

801
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: on a hunting trip and um, yeah, Jason Harrison took

802
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: his own life like days after the hunting trip and

803
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: nothing hardly. I please don't think I'm trying to make

804
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: this about me in some way like that tragedy. But

805
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: I thought about Don Jr. Because I had similarly had

806
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: spent a week with a very close friend of mine

807
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: and he went home and killed himself. And the amount

808
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: of uh second guessing and analyzing everything that was said

809
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: to you and reading into you know what I mean?

810
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: And so having been through that and then knowing that

811
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: he had that happened to him, I empathized with what

812
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: that the kind of like burden that puts on someone. Uh.

813
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: There's a writer, Ian Frasier, who's a wonderful writer. You

814
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: should read it. We should read his book Great Planes.

815
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: But Ian Frasier was one time writing a profile on

816
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: a steelhead fishing guide and um who people he was

817
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: always out in the sun in Oregon and didn't wear

818
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: a shirt and people he was he went by steel

819
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: Head Joe, but people jokingly called him Melanoma Joe because, uh,

820
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything to protect himself from the sun. Anyways,

821
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: Ian Fraser's profiling, I mean, while he's doing the profile,

822
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: the guy kills himself. And they had been on a

823
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: river trip camping and h one night, Ian Frasier woke

824
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night to take a

825
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: whiz and climbs out of his tent to take a

826
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: whiz and realizes that Steelhead Joe is up standing on

827
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: the edge of the river staring into the river in

828
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and then shortly after killed himself,

829
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: killed himself, and he said it was like I got

830
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: like a preview of him as a ghost, and you know,

831
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: he left like untangled, Like what was that moment? Like

832
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, mhm, which just hard. It's hard on people.

833
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: So I want to talk to about that, and also

834
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: want to talk to because I think that he's, uh,

835
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, he's probably the most widely known, outspoken hunter

836
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: maybe in the world at this point. Really do you think? So,

837
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, give me number, who's who's in competition with him? Well,

838
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: Yanni next to Yanni, but he's already on the show. Yeah,

839
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to hearing that. Uh So, what do

840
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: you think of our trip this spring Man? It was

841
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: great even't had a chance to catch up on it.

842
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: We haven't to review it. We got the business done

843
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: and got out pretty quick. But it was a it

844
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 1: was a great hunt. I love spring bear hunting in Montana.

845
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: That was my fourth you know, quote unquote do it

846
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: yourself spring bear hunt in Montana. UM. The second time

847
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: that I've brought my mules up and hunted, and uh,

848
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: it's a tough hunt. It's a tough hunt. You can

849
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: sure as heck go to Montana and not come home

850
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: with a bear. I would go so far as to say, um,

851
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: if you're doing it for your first time, I would

852
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: go so far as to say, play not not seen one.

853
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of there's a learning curve. Yeah,

854
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, the same way if like someone's gonna, like,

855
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 1: you know, go out to Colorado for their first archery

856
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: elk hunt, you'd be like, it might take you a couple, Yeah,

857
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: take you a couple at bats to get that whole.

858
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: The challenges are so we're all now so connected to

859
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: so many people, And so I started kind of connecting

860
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: with some guys in Montana. And if you're a local

861
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: guy in Montana and you can drive out every afternoon

862
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and you know, going spot for bears and

863
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: and really know the country, that guy, as a bear

864
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: hunter or as any kind of hunter is way different

865
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: than the guy that's driving twelve hundred miles to spend

866
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: six days that he picked out on a calendar four

867
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: months before. In hunting, you know, so I mean like

868
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of local, local guys that I mean

869
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: are passing up bears and are seeing lot of bear

870
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: and so you kind of get this feeling about you know,

871
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: this may not be that as hard as you would think.

872
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: And uh but coming up here on your own and

873
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: and I had some help, you know, the Springs, Justin

874
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: and Rebecca Spring, they've been big allies of mine on

875
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: the barefront for all these years. I've kind of base camps. Yeah. Yeah,

876
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: so they've they've they've they've kind of given me the

877
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, they're like, check out this area, do this.

878
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: But overall it's been doing yourself stuff and I love it, man,

879
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: I really do. You know, everybody talks about bear hunting

880
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: and trying to compare it to elk hunting or mule

881
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: deer hunting, your spotting stock in the West, And Yanni

882
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: even said it while we were hunting. He said, yeah,

883
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm sucking his injergy. The the there's not as much action,

884
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: like you're not watching game all day. But to me,

885
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: that's why it's so cool, because you set there for

886
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, and mean we can get into the details

887
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: of what we were actually doing, but from an overall perspective.

888
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: You know, you're sitting there for eight hours and see nothing,

889
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: and so then when you do see a bear, it's

890
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: it's I think that's an incredible feeling. I think it's uh.

891
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 1: I think it's uh. I think that's actually what people

892
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: say they don't like a bear? What about BARRONI is, well,

893
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: actually what I like about it? You know, uh, it's

894
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: that's a good thing because from filming it, um I

895
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: approached filming it with a high degree of skepticism. I

896
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: sensed that while we're hunting, well, I um, I enjoyed

897
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: the dickens of it. We we devoted years ago, my

898
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: brother and I devoted ourselves quite heavily to it for

899
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: a lot of years, and we would we would be

900
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: that two of us, hunting very heavily, would kill a

901
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: bear every other year, hunting hard for spring season. And

902
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: you guys lived here and there's yeah, and there's no

903
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: other let me you see him and have missed opportunity.

904
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: But like when it was like if you really went

905
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: and looked at like this block of of ten years, um,

906
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: when we like that was our spring thing. This is

907
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: before we even got a lot of it was before

908
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: we got into Turkey Hunt. It was like our our

909
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: spring thing. Um when when you really like laid it out,

910
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: it's like that was our that was our pattern like

911
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: two and I think you'd find that's pretty true like

912
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: bear hunting partners that are kind of like low not

913
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: not doing two week vacations but hitting and when you

914
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: can hit it going on on the weekends. If if um,

915
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: every other spring we get one. And so for filming, it's, uh,

916
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: there's a there's a difference between hunting and hunting and filming,

917
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: like there's an obligation to audience, you know, and so

918
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: you just want to make sure this stuff happening. Yeah,

919
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: and and the ones, the episodes that we do where

920
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff happening just go together very painlessly. Yeah.

921
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 1: You guys had two previous bear hunt episode or that

922
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: you were working to make episodes, right, we'd filmed two

923
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 1: other ones and well another No, we we've had great

924
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: there's other states, like you know, you go to Alaska

925
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have action to Montana bear hunts that

926
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: no bear you ended up. So this was the third

927
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: third go as a high country cameraman. Rick. Yeah, but

928
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: also it's like like you're a bear enthusiast. Were you here? So?

929
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: Are you conflicted? As a high country cameraman to be

930
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna go film a bear episode, are you? Are

931
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: you like, I hope we get one because that will

932
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: make a good episode, or you're like, I hope they

933
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: don't get one because I'm a bear enthusiast. I'm conflicted

934
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: for sure, walk me through it. Um, I'm a bar

935
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: enthusiast two, but just of a different flavor. Yeah. And

936
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: I think there's I think with I mean, outside of

937
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: my own confliction over or conflict over bear hunt. And

938
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: I think I've talked to other hunters that also are

939
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: like I've went on a bear hunt or I've shot

940
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: a bear and are also conflicted. So this isn't just

941
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's some somewhat a universal to

942
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: some degree that there's a a different uh issue versus

943
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: filming an elk cunt. And and it's divisive. It's the

944
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: it's devisive and in my view, unnecessarily. So. Yeah, And

945
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: I though, I mean, I've filmed bears just as like

946
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: a wildlife filmmaker where you're just watching. I'm just watched

947
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: bears more than I'm watched any other animal you explained

948
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: with that, I'll do it for you. Like Smithsonian, Like

949
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: there's a Smithsonian show right now, uh called Epic Yellowstone,

950
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: And I spent multiple seasons, multiple weeks filming the same

951
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: individuals over the course a few years. Grizly bears interactions, yeah,

952
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: interactions and behavior and they're all habituated to something a

953
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: little facial expressions that they can manipulate to make it

954
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: seem as though they have facial expressions. Well, you can

955
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: watch the show and then I think they did a

956
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: great job. Just there's some cool stuff like a coyote

957
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: spooking up an elk calf and then that elk calf

958
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: runs into a pair of grizzly bears that I didn't

959
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: I didn't see that, but I got them feeding on

960
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: that carcass like right away. Really just cool stuff that

961
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: you wouldn't normally see from less than a hundred yards.

962
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: So that's a great job. You've got a great job. Yeah,

963
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: it's totally cool. But so going on a hunt of

964
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: a bear, it's definitely makes me think a good close

965
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: look at him if it works out, yeah, which which

966
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm not against. But ultimately I do this job because

967
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: I like to get exposed to things that I personally

968
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't do, Like, you know, I'm not a hunter, but

969
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: I get to like it's almost like I'm a an ethnographer,

970
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: Like I get to come along and observe you guys,

971
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: and you're basically culture and something that I I you know,

972
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: I grew up in the suburbs and outside of Seattle

973
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: that I was never exposed to growing up or even

974
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: into my through my twenties, rickeys to have job restringing

975
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: tennis racket. Yeah, I've and I worked as a tennant

976
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: to get the cat instructor you know, like very different

977
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: than growing up trapping things like I didn't do that

978
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: as a kid, but like going along trapping Beaver, Um,

979
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean I like Beaver and I like him not dead,

980
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: but I really enjoyed going along seeing how it all

981
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: tell everybody about your hat? Howest my favorite possession. So

982
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: there's yeah, it's fantastic in his pocket right now. And

983
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: I mentioned this stuff at dinner parties and people look

984
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 1: at me, like the room stops like what I'm like, Yeah,

985
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: I got a beaver hat, but those beer are gonna

986
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: get killed by somebody. And I normally don't get a hat.

987
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: But if I go along and film it and I

988
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: know the guy that's trapping him, and I have I

989
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: get to participate. Like this stuff goes on whether or

990
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: not we like it or not or whatever. But you

991
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: know what, I but you're you're arguably complicit. Definitely. Yeah.

992
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a conflict with you know, I

993
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: like a lot bare other than I like a dead bear,

994
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, I mean really yeah, yeah, I mean you know,

995
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: so if you can milk them for bear grease, would

996
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: you yeah? You know. And the other thing that you

997
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: you go along with people are like, well, you know,

998
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: people always ask me, well does it taste good? And

999
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I haven't had an animal that doesn't taste good,

1000
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: so and the answer is yes. And then you get

1001
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: into the history of like now that we can manufacture

1002
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: fats so easy out of vegetable oil and whatnot, Like

1003
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: it's just this we are constantly basically like trying to

1004
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: get less fat as a society. But uh, that's not

1005
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: true anymore a hundred years ago. That's good for you now.

1006
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: But so I think that I predict that sugar will

1007
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: become good for you soon. I love sugar. But but

1008
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: having Clay somebody that's very passionate about this activity explain

1009
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of the holistic history of of bear hunting and

1010
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: the uses of of bear fat, and like, I'm I'm

1011
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: so into having more knowledge about a subject than being

1012
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: like I disagree with this or I'm just not gonna

1013
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna pretend that and not engage. I don't

1014
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: think that's very helpful. So like I'm now, I can't

1015
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: imagine myself ever going on a bear hunt, but I would.

1016
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: I would happily go film another one. I mean, there's

1017
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand black bears in the US. I think

1018
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: there's thirty thousand in Maine. I mean there's a lot

1019
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: of black bears. I don't know what you would usually

1020
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: think it was from continental wide, you know, eight hundred

1021
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: thousand to a million black bears. Yeah, so yeah, I

1022
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: mean this, there's an astounding number of black bears. Um. So,

1023
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, we kill a lot of other things, and

1024
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: we make arbitrary dividing lines about yeah, about what we

1025
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: choose to kill and not kill. I mean, there is

1026
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: an interesting idea that that you know, because black bears

1027
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: are omnivores or prettors are more similar to us, and

1028
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: they potentially have diseases that we don't want um, which

1029
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: maybe is where some of the like we don't eat

1030
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: black bear thing came from. I don't know where people

1031
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: don't exactly. So it's it's interesting where we divide where

1032
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: we choose to divide those those lines. I mean, you know,

1033
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: bears are very humanlike, uh, much more so than I

1034
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: would than a than an elk. Just their anatomy right

1035
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: that you like standing up. They they're like, you know,

1036
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: people think they're sasquatch. Tell people what you and Cal

1037
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: were doing for Cal's weekend reviews. So we're traveling traveling, Yeah,

1038
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: traveling grizzly bears last week with Idaho Fish and Game

1039
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: and to pull like biometric. Yeah. It's part of the

1040
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: Inner Agency Grizzly Bear Study Team, which is a collection

1041
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: of of all the state agencies the federal agencies that

1042
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: the studies have been going on in Yellowstone since the

1043
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: I think late sixties, early seventies. The Craigheads who basically

1044
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: developed collar you know location call it radio colors and

1045
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: usually better as I think we're the only animals that

1046
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: could carry this thing around. At the time, it was

1047
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: like a giant transmitter. But you guys worked two bears

1048
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: and one of them was seventeen and one of them

1049
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: and so that's a see. That's like the point I

1050
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: was gonna bringu because I used to argue, Like when

1051
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: when I used to try to understand when I used

1052
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: to argue with people who would be like, I don't know,

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01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: it's not comfortable shooting a bear. I think, okay, what

1054
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: is it? And like, wow, they're very wide range, you know,

1055
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: they have such a big home ranger. We talked about

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01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: the wolverines too. It's like because they roll them all over,

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01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, caribou are the there they have the

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01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: they have the biggest migration pattern um of any North

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01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: American uh land mammal. And you don't have a problem

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01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: hunting cariboo, right, Like, oh no, They'd be like they

1061
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: get so old and you'd be like, but there's been

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01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: cow elk. They're twenty years old. You know a problem

1063
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: hunting elk? Right? No, Well that's that right, and you

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01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: go down this path. But I was some of the

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01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: other day and they weren't. I didn't engage in this

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: whole game with them, but they were pointing out that

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01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 1: they just get so old. I mean, it makes it

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01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: makes people think differently about it. Yeah, yeah, I think

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01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: we just kind of choose things like we don't need horses,

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01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: we don't need dogs, were just like, but other people do,

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01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: and they might look at us like why not, why

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01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: don't you eat your horses? Like that's crazy? So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I still you know, I mean, I have a

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01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: thing of bear lard in my fridge right now. That

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01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: I didn't, I wouldn't think I would have had that.

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01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: Like if I thought of my future self, I would

1077
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, there's gonna be a point where you're

1078
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: gonna be making pies with bear lard. But I'm like,

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna do with it. Probably I gave

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01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: that to you, didn't. I just remember I was like,

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01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: where do you get large? No? And I was, it's

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01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: really an amazing, clean, real fat It's great. So you know,

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01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think a big part of

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01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: what makes no sense that that actually hunters, And I

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01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: can understand a non hunter kind of feeling this way

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01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: that way, but for a hunter man black bears are thriving.

1087
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever is happening ecologically on the North American

1088
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: continent we can say all the different things that are happening.

1089
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: Black bears are thriving. I mean almost every population of

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01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: bears is for sure stable, but most of them are increasing,

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01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: I mean and expanding in range and expanding the range.

1092
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean southern Missouri. You know, I talked with the

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01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: expanding south, the north. They're expanding north and the south.

1094
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: They're expanding west and the east and east and the west.

1095
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: So I mean, even if you look at it from

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Speaker 1: a position of of of logic and management, I mean,

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01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: these these animals, there's only so much habitat the country

1098
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: is there's only so much suitable bear habitat in the country.

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: And I mean, these animals are expanding, and you know,

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01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: to be able to didn't want to just turn up

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01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: in Iowa. Well, there was a bear that traveled from

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01:10:55,439 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: like Wisconsin down to down to Missouri and they've been

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01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: tracking it and it's been on like a hundreds of miles.

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01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't remember how far. Really saw pictures

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01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: of it. It's just a big loop through Missouri as

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01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: far as you can see. And there's like a black

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01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: dot in the in the middle of it. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: you know, so why wouldn't we build this idea, which

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01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: is very true, that bear meat is an incredible meat

1110
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: these animals, um, you know, I mean that's the foundation

1111
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: right there. I mean, the reason why we hunt these

1112
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: other animals for the meat and bear meats incredible. It's

1113
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: a it's a resource that's expanding. It's a resource that

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01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: we can take the cream off the top. You know,

1115
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: harvesting ten percent of the animals out of a population

1116
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: is going to typically stabilize that population. And if those

1117
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: populations aren't stabilized by hunters, those bears will die in

1118
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: some way. I mean they will, they be euthanized, they'll

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01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: be hit by cars, which is a surplus. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: absolutely I mean when you think about it, like like

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01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: in the like in the Arkansas Ozarks, Missouri, there's only

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01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: so much habitat there and those bears are going out

1123
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 1: in every direction. So you know, the idea that hunters

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01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: could come in and make this really valuable. Uh, you know,

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01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: culture inside of hunting, keeping the meat, keeping the hide,

1126
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: bear fat, bear claws, bear chaps, you got genuine bear chaps,

1127
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: now man hair out. The thing is that you run

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Speaker 1: up against is that, as you brought up, there's a

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01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: point at which there's there's a disconnect from logic, meaning

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: you could go to Americans, like years ago when there

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01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: was a big drought in uh, you know, a big

1132
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: drought in California, grain prices, hay was hard, hay was scarce. Right,

1133
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: people were trying to dump horses. Uh, it was expensive

1134
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: to keep them. Right, it was big problems. You could

1135
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: be like, dude, there's a lot of horses, they're really inexpensive.

1136
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: UM meats great, they love it. In Japan they love it.

1137
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: And what's that country close to Russia they eat a

1138
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: lot of that's like the number one horse, Like Kazakh

1139
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: stigns the number one horse country horse eating place. But

1140
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: people wouldn't do it. And people are gonna be like, yeah,

1141
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not really trying to have a debate with

1142
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: you about whether or not there's like a lot of

1143
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: horses around to eat. I don't want to eat a horse.

1144
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: And I think that there's certain people that you're going

1145
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: to convince by saying that, you know, it's a wild

1146
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: game species. We have a harvesta bowl surplus um. People

1147
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: want it. Why not we let them have it? You know,

1148
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: we we manage all our other game species that way.

1149
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: Why should they be an exception. But some people just

1150
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: gonna be like, I don't need a horse, man um,

1151
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: and I don't care how many horses are running around. Uh,

1152
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: and you're just never gonna get there with them. Yeah, well,

1153
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm not putting this as your problem. Yeah no, But

1154
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: because the horse is just a farther extension of that,

1155
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: these arbitrary lines that Rick was just mentioning, and and

1156
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: bears are closer to if there's a scale, bears are

1157
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: closer to an elk than they are towards or they're

1158
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: like they fall between an elk and a horse right

1159
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: in most people's minds. And I'm very guilty of it.

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's not because I because I

1161
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 1: didn't grow up with bear hunting. Too many teddy bears

1162
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: on my bed as a kid. I mean, all sorts

1163
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: of reasons. But the more I know about it, and

1164
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: like when you tell me, I don't forget which one

1165
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: of you two told me that back in the day,

1166
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: the settlers they didn't want to you know, dear meat,

1167
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: they want to bear meat. They just used the deer

1168
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: for the hides. Right. Well, I'm not I'm not saying

1169
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm just a perfect example of someone that sort of

1170
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: for for an arbitrary reason, Like it was kind of

1171
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: like uneasy about killing and eating a bear. And the

1172
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: more I know about it, the more I do about it.

1173
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: So I'm just getting drawn in and I'm big, I'm

1174
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 1: getting in. It's becoming more and more comfortable. You know.

1175
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: The problem for us if if our position is to

1176
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it is, I think we

1177
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: can say this is the Meteor podcast. If our position

1178
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 1: is to defend the North American model of wildlife conservation

1179
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: and and we're saying, hey, this is the most successful

1180
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: wildlife husbandry effort of all time, then there's a problem

1181
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: when there's a problem with one sector of it, you know.

1182
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 1: So the problem with it, you know, it's it's different

1183
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: than a you know, like making the analogy of it

1184
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: being like a horse is that. I mean, it just

1185
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: presents a problem when people don't And I'm not saying

1186
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: nine hunters. I get that nine hunters may not want

1187
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: to eat a bear. I'm totally cool with that. No. Um,

1188
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: I am a bear hunter. I will defend it all

1189
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: day long. But I also think you might that it, Um,

1190
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: you must well like talk openly and discuss where people

1191
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: are at on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think

1192
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: that I guess I'm like that comfortable in my convictions

1193
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: that I can sit down and verbalize and imagine what

1194
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: a contrary viewpoint would be without like losing my ship,

1195
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't have like these like

1196
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: supposedly deeply held convictions, but they kind of fall apart

1197
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 1: the minute they're confronted with the obligations at least consider

1198
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: where someone else is coming from, and then you left

1199
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: to think like how much of they thought this through

1200
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: that that makes them that uncomfortable. Yeah, we have we

1201
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: have the scale where like you know a lot of

1202
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people are don't eat that much meat,

1203
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: but they'll eat fish. They're okay with fish dying. And

1204
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: then they don't have eyebrows eyelash. Yeah, so there's there's

1205
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: they have a scale where they're like, oh, this sort

1206
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: of animal because teams furthest removed from my experience, And

1207
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: then you get to pray animals and you're like, I'm

1208
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: okay with the prey animal because they're kind of like

1209
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 1: not that aware or maybe not that like on the

1210
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: sentience scale. They're like, I don't know, seem seem a

1211
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: little more simplistic than as you move up and bears

1212
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: and pigs that would include in that same thing. They're

1213
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: like fully emotional creatures. I mean in my view where

1214
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: and I think people would argue that they're they're more

1215
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: intelligent than some of the then some of the lower animals.

1216
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 1: Like have we told you the story of beans the pig? Yeah?

1217
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: I was there, Yeah, yeah no, But so in my mind,

1218
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: like people have no problem eating bacon, like in in

1219
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: the moment, I mean, in these pigs that are raised

1220
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: in industrial food conditions, they're pretty horrific. But then they're

1221
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: real up in arms about a bear that lived its

1222
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: whole life in the woods doing its thing until that last.

1223
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: That's a good point because that's one thing people are like,

1224
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that like collapses vegetarians all the

1225
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: time because they can't resist the bacon pop culture. Like

1226
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: people are like bacon, bacon, bacon, and it's all like

1227
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: from the like you see those videos of them being

1228
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: like squeezed together and those massive slaughter operations, and you're like,

1229
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 1: I need to not eat this stuff at all, but

1230
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: I can't stop. Yeah, you know, it's it's hard, but

1231
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: I would make the argument that people probably should not

1232
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 1: eat bacon and go occasionally bear hunting. There you go,

1233
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,520
Speaker 1: stop eating if you want to be ethically and philosophically,

1234
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: stop any bacon and start as they don't want to

1235
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: do either. I'm totally for it. I would I just

1236
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: want to throw here as a devil's advocate. If Americans,

1237
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: if America's bacon needs were to be satisfied with black bears,

1238
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 1: it would be impossible. I think that we would be

1239
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: out of them, and Clay would be out of a passion.

1240
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: He'd be a passionless man within six months. And this

1241
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,560
Speaker 1: is the other thing that we need to come to

1242
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: grips with. We cannot eat things like bacon for breakfast, lunch,

1243
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: and dinner. It's like made. It's like an American right,

1244
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 1: Like I deserve this much meat every day, all day long.

1245
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean the world is basically wanting to do that

1246
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: as well, and it has serious ramifications. Did you notice

1247
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: me jokingly sanitize my lips without hand sanitizer. I do

1248
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 1: not recommend that. Man. It gave me instantly chapped lips

1249
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: between the time said yeah, that's not safe. And I

1250
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: didn't even really do it that much. I just did

1251
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: it to make my joke. I felt that it was funny,

1252
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: and so I just did a little bit of it.

1253
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: You're taking to heart the ingesting, disinfecting, that's my COVID

1254
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 1: hot tip. This is a COVID hot tip off. Don't

1255
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: sanitize your lips. That's the stuff Perel advanced. You just

1256
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: need some light therapy, Steve. I think what Janice was

1257
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 1: saying was just his his knowledge levels increasing and having

1258
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: some exposure to bear and bear hunting and people that

1259
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: are using bears like that, that is increasing his like

1260
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: he's seeing, he's beginning beginning to see it in a

1261
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: different light. And that's what I see happening all over

1262
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: the place. I mean, I have people I'm not gonna

1263
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: say daily because that's not true, but constantly emailing me whatever, saying, man,

1264
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: I never even thought about bear hunting, but now I am.

1265
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: And and right in their home state or right within

1266
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, some driving distance, they've got this incredible opportunity

1267
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: to bear hunt, and so they're starting to be And man,

1268
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,560
Speaker 1: that's what we have won. When I say we, I

1269
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: mean Bear Hunting Magazine, which is which is me and

1270
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: one other dude, Kobe moorehead uh we have wanted to

1271
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: reform and change the branding of bear hunting in North America.

1272
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: You know, just bring bring it up. You know, so

1273
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: much opportunity, such great meat that people still don't understand,

1274
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: such history, such such challenge, unique challenge that's way different

1275
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: than hunting an ungulate, hunting an antlered animal, you know, which,

1276
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: not taking anything away from that because I love hunting those,

1277
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: but anyway, it's just this unique thing. So I think

1278
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: people think people are starting to see it. I mean

1279
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: I have seen a increase in or noticed an increase

1280
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: in media coverage of you know, pro bear stuff. I

1281
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: mean just in an outdoor section, outdoor world. So but

1282
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: I also think it's part the opportunity is is and

1283
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: people are looking for a way to be a hunter

1284
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: year round, and so much of our traditional honey is

1285
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: just in the fall. And you can spring bear hunt

1286
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: I think in nine states and then all most of

1287
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: the Conti provinces. I think it's nine states and most

1288
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: of them, well, yeah, in Maine you can hunt on

1289
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: some uh uh tribal lands there in Maine there's a

1290
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: spring hunt. But basically there's this opportunity to hunt big

1291
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: game in May and June and people people are you know,

1292
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,839
Speaker 1: went back when and you know in the seventies eighties

1293
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: when my dad was growing up serious deer hunters, deer

1294
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: hunted for you know, thirty forty days and the well,

1295
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: they focused on it for three months during the year.

1296
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: The rest of the year hunting was just like not

1297
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: on the radar. Now people are wanting to do stuff

1298
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: year round, so you know, bear hunting gives an opportunity

1299
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: to do that walk This is a little bit of

1300
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: spoiler alert because we're making a show about this, but

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01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: Clay got a bear walk through because it's kind of

1302
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 1: a good example of like what walk through the bear

1303
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: you got, because it's a good example of how a

1304
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: spring bear strategy, how spring bear hunting works. And you know,

1305
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: every day's got different rules and wyoming. You can bait

1306
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: bears in Idaho, you can bait bears. You can hunt

1307
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: bears with hounds. Um in this state you can't use bait,

1308
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: can't use dogs. Yeah, well, well we go through the

1309
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: unsuccessful Yeah, because that is thing that's almost maybe even

1310
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:07,839
Speaker 1: more telling of some spring bear tips. Yeah, talk about

1311
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: the successful story is interesting. We packed back in on

1312
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: mules five miles. Steve and I were riding mules. Um

1313
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: stink Cole Creek. Stink Cole Creek. Yeah, that's where it was.

1314
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: And we uh so we packed back in five miles

1315
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: and and we were what we were looking for is

1316
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: we were looking for green vegetation. Essentially, when you're spring

1317
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: bear hunting, these bears are feeding on green vegetation. We

1318
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: were looking for green vegetation. We hadn't seen any bears,

1319
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: so we didn't know what elevation they were gonna be.

1320
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: And the way that I like to describe it in

1321
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: the spring is that you're you're hunting the green up.

1322
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: So the higher elevations are not going to be green.

1323
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,879
Speaker 1: Lower elevations are gonna be green, and the bears typically

1324
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: want to they're coming out of dinn and High typically

1325
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 1: going down into the green, but they seem to want

1326
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: to go back up. So it's almost like they followed

1327
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: this green up line, the green wave. Yeah, and so

1328
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: we didn't really know what elevation that would be in

1329
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: but we me and you packed mules and uh and

1330
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:19,799
Speaker 1: and I've got to I like not taking a pack animal.

1331
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: Usually when people think about hunting with a mule or horse, like,

1332
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: usually you have a pack animal that's dedicated to just

1333
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: carrying gear, and then you have an animal that you ride.

1334
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: I like to pack light and pack enough gear for

1335
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: three days and go back in with one man one mule,

1336
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: carrying a backpack full of gear, saddlebags full of gear,

1337
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: enough gear for three days camping stuff, go back in

1338
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: and if you see what you like, you can stay

1339
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: in there for up to three or four days. If

1340
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: you don't see what you like, you can get the

1341
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: heck out of there and go somewhere. So that's what

1342
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: we're doing. Went back in five miles within the first

1343
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: ten minutes of being at the glassing point where we

1344
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: could really see this country that we were wanting to hunt.

1345
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: I believe, honest, the eagle spotted a bear hundred yards

1346
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: away or now I was further than that it was.

1347
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: I think it was yards. I mean it was over

1348
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: a mile, almost a mile away. I would been farther that.

1349
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: I want to say that we did the It was

1350
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: a long ways away, A long ass getting over there

1351
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: to get eight hundred yards away. Yeah, my vision only

1352
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: really becomes focused at about eighteen hundred yards, so I

1353
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 1: know it had to be your eyes are on the

1354
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: side of your head like a meal focus out way

1355
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: out there now. So we we found this bear immediately

1356
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: once we get back in here, and it's a big

1357
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: it's a very nice big Montana bear. And I don't

1358
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: know if you remember our conversation, but I wanted to

1359
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 1: go up higher because I felt like we were about

1360
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: to really get into the good stuff. And to me,

1361
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: that bear was kind of I knew it gonna be

1362
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: hard to get too. It was late enough in the

1363
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: day where it was you were going to get over there,

1364
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: we weren't gonna get over there. And so I don't

1365
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: know how long of a version of this story that

1366
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: you want, but medium well, we we we camped out.

1367
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: It was too late to go after the bear. We

1368
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: camped out the next morning. It's snow, yeah, snowed up there.

1369
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: We were at about hundred six thousand feet elevation where

1370
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: we camped. The bear was at forty feet elevation amidst

1371
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: another person's garbage pile. So we the next morning, rather

1372
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,759
Speaker 1: than going after the bear, which may have been a mistake,

1373
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, we we went way up to glass

1374
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 1: another area. That as a mistake, yeah, I think I

1375
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: did too. I just felt like if we could get

1376
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: over there. We were gonna look down in and see

1377
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: a bear three yards away. I mean, that's where I've

1378
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: been wanting to go. Was back where I took you

1379
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: that bear in the hand. Yeah, I remember, you said, Clay,

1380
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: this is in Alaska, this is Montana. We just walk

1381
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: past the spar so at eleven o'clock eleven am. We

1382
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: get back down to the exact spot where Jana spotted

1383
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: the bear and we see him again. He is I mean,

1384
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: that bear was staying in probably an eighties square yard

1385
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: area on the side of that mountain um and which

1386
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 1: which I think is kind of generally stays true. You

1387
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of guys that have that experience.

1388
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 1: Early they just they find a spot, they have what

1389
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: they need, and they tend to not move around a lot.

1390
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: But as the as spring fades the summer um they

1391
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: the more options they have, the more they're they're gonna move.

1392
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: The later it gets into the spring, the more they're

1393
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: gonna be driven by breeding. So that bear was and

1394
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: that's why I love that early that time, early in

1395
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: the spring is that if you find a bear, you

1396
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: can kill him, you know, if if you don't get

1397
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: winded by him. But so we decided to make a

1398
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: play on the spar we have to go down into

1399
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: the drainage. So we're looking across like three ridges, probably

1400
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: two ridges, and we see this bear. So it's not

1401
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: like you can walk straight to him. So we drop

1402
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: off into the drainage, you know, probably walk close to

1403
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: a mile up a super thick drainage, then pop back

1404
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: up on the mountain. I'd call the willow choked hill hole. Yeah,

1405
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: it was so bad that it was preferable. The bottom

1406
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: is so bad that it was preferable to side hill

1407
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,679
Speaker 1: across scree slides, which is not it's gotta be bad.

1408
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: When that's better than crick walking, that's a bad. We

1409
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: had a game trail. I feel like I'm saying like

1410
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 1: generally I would rather walk up a stream bottom than

1411
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: side hill on scree slides. And the game trails were ephemeral. Yeah,

1412
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: that would come in, they would fade like here's a

1413
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: good trail, then like and also it's gone. Yeah it

1414
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 1: wasn't horrible, but yeah, just saying. So we we get

1415
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: down to about where we were using our onyx, so

1416
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: we we decided where we wanted to come back up

1417
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: the mountain to get a viewpoint of the bear. So

1418
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 1: we're in deep timber while we're walking in this drainage.

1419
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,799
Speaker 1: Then we come back up the hill at this certain

1420
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 1: place and I don't know if you remember, but we

1421
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: split up. Me and Dirt went probably fifty sixty yards

1422
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: up the mountain and you guys stayed down low, And

1423
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 1: within ten minutes we spot the bear, still in the

1424
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: same place, still in the same place, middle of the day.

1425
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: It's two o'clock now, so it's like twenty hours later

1426
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 1: and he still hasn't moved. And at this point, I mean,

1427
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 1: we're in the chips big time. I mean we're yards away,

1428
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards away. The wind is bad, but we're

1429
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: both were pretty confident that he's herd yards away so

1430
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: that we hold on, didn't we I thought we did

1431
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: this twice because we popped up like a thousand or

1432
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: eleven hundred, and then we didn't find him until we

1433
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: were right we found them at that point, and it

1434
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: was like the wind was bad. We are so far

1435
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: away that it was just what almost went without saying,

1436
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: We'll just stay here until the wind gets good, because

1437
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: how the hell is he gonna smell us from here? Yeah?

1438
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: And then bad kind of wind, like not just like

1439
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: lightly blowing up the canyon. It was a gusty afternoon

1440
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: like kind of like you know, honking, like where if

1441
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: someone was more than you know, ten yards away, you

1442
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: probably have to raise your voice to communicate, right, And

1443
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: we're kind of down in the v notch of the

1444
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: valley and it's just washing all that warming air from

1445
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: the afternoon warmth is just a's an noise it makes

1446
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: for people at home, this is like, what's that thing

1447
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: where you play with beads and talk? Yeah, my brother

1448
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: likes SR. Yeah, it's kind of creepy. He was telling

1449
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: me he was listening to one where it's a someone

1450
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: cutting your hair. Dude, that's weird. That's real. D I

1451
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: almost feel should cut that out at you even know

1452
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: that's TV. Yeah, here's what it's like for people who

1453
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 1: like s m R. I what's it called MR? I think? Yeah, yeah,

1454
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: you're right, which is a s m R. Oh, I'm

1455
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: out loup here, boys, Oh, you don't know about a SMR.

1456
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: It's like you listen to people have like a Russian

1457
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,799
Speaker 1: woman playing with beads making noise, banging beads together and talking,

1458
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,560
Speaker 1: and you listen to it to get your jollies, not

1459
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 1: that kind of jollies. Just people just listen to it

1460
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: because they like the way it sounds. It stands for

1461
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: autonomous sensory meridian response. It's like whisper, whisper. Do you

1462
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 1: ever hear something you like so much that it makes

1463
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: you get a tingly feeling in your head where it's

1464
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 1: like a wash, Like, here's what it sounds like. It's

1465
01:31:56,040 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: like tingo, tingo, tingle. Uh, common triggers, whispering, other auditory sounds.

1466
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: Rick could do that, dude, You keep talking to you

1467
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: that that's the wind blown up the hill. Well, hey,

1468
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 1: I've I've evaluated. Well, so we're set up up the

1469
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: hill eight yards from this bear. I spot the bear,

1470
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: Me and Dirt were way up above. You. Guys were

1471
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: the same distance up from the creek as the bear

1472
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: is up from the creek, even though he's up from us,

1473
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: because the whole thing is up right, I see what

1474
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: was extremely clear? Yes, yes, and there was a there

1475
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: was a wall, I mean the mountain opposite the creek

1476
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 1: of a steve. I've analyzed it since then. Why that

1477
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: bear smelled us if it had been like this wide valley.

1478
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have smelled. It was a

1479
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: cliff face. I mean, any air coming through there was

1480
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 1: just gonna be going right to him. I honestly think

1481
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: that he was bedded down on the creek. Think he

1482
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 1: smelled us, and that's why he walked up When I

1483
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: first saw him. He was moving fast when I when

1484
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,879
Speaker 1: I first spotted because I thought it was never relaxed

1485
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 1: when we saw him. When I saw him, he was.

1486
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: He was steadily moving up the hill at two in

1487
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 1: the afternoon, which I thought was weird, waving his nose

1488
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: in the air. Well, Eventually that's what he did. He

1489
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: put his head in the grass a couple of times,

1490
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: but then both of us were watching him when he

1491
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 1: he turned and faced us, and he just started bombing

1492
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: his head and me and you, I don't think we

1493
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 1: said it to each other, but I didn't. I I

1494
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. But

1495
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: it was just improbable. They catched the wind in the

1496
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: very um They catched the wind in a way that

1497
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: doesn't leave a lot to the imagination. Yeah, I mean

1498
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 1: they're like, he's like that bear is smelling like literally

1499
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: waving its nose around up high like he's sampling the

1500
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: wind and he We watched him for just a few

1501
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 1: minutes after that, and then he he didn't just turn

1502
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 1: and walk away, which I thought he might have done.

1503
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 1: He turned and ran away, spent he spent twenty hours

1504
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:17,759
Speaker 1: in one spot and then ran And it's not entirely

1505
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: fair though, if you're if you're trying to understand how

1506
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: big game animals smell, in their ability to smell, there

1507
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 1: were six of us there that all smelled terrible. If

1508
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,560
Speaker 1: two people maybe we could have got away with it.

1509
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 1: What do you all think we could have? Certainly it

1510
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 1: takes take a rot and shrimp and throw that in

1511
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 1: your garbage, and take six rot and shrimp throw that

1512
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: in your garbage. At a point you get something needs

1513
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: to be dealt with, ye, So I was still I

1514
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: want to clarify though, just two points that I think

1515
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 1: need to be clarified here. Point one is that um,

1516
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:04,839
Speaker 1: I was extremely surprised that he winded us at that distance.

1517
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: Point two is I have absolutely zero doubt that that's

1518
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: what happened. What happened? What do you mean that he

1519
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: win us? Oh? Yeah, sure, that's what I'm saying. I

1520
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: have no doubt that he winded us. Yet I'm extremely

1521
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 1: surprised that he winded us. Yep, I thought we were safe.

1522
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: I would have thought we were safe. And what's tough

1523
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 1: about old bear? And that's how you get to be

1524
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: a big old bear. He knew what to do. He

1525
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: don't hang out, you know that. And that's the hard

1526
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: part about committing to a place like that is we

1527
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: pretty much knew that the hunt was over. Like we

1528
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 1: might have been able to find another bear in that drainage.

1529
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: And maybe if we had stayed in there for five days,

1530
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we probably would have. But you guys, I

1531
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, but I went back out

1532
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: and got a turkey shotgun because on the way up

1533
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: steaining Cole Creek. Yeah. Yeah, we're riding mules pretty deep in.

1534
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 1: We're used to seeing these turkeys close to the edges

1535
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 1: of agriculture or civilization in Montana. That's kind of the

1536
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 1: way it works. Oh they're yeah, they're like they're close

1537
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 1: to openings are so typically associated with human developments. They

1538
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: like ranches, they're like backyard feeders, they like cattle fattening operations.

1539
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 1: They like egg and they need and in the winter,

1540
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,759
Speaker 1: you could one could get one could justify this statement

1541
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:41,560
Speaker 1: in many areas of the state. They're not going to

1542
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 1: survive the winner without tapping into human resource. Mhm, fair. Fair.

1543
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: And so we found turkeys two and a half three

1544
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 1: miles back in on the way in, but we didn't

1545
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: have it. So we both have turkey tags. We hadn't

1546
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: said that yet. This was a dual hunt. That was

1547
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 1: that we had spring Montana spring bear tags in Montana

1548
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: turkey tags. And I would come and tell people here's

1549
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,879
Speaker 1: a hot tip. Don't first, don't put that hand santas

1550
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: on your lips. Two, beware, beware the man who um

1551
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 1: thinks he's gonna go do a whole bunch of stuff

1552
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 1: all at once. Yeah, you could generally, generally makes sense

1553
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 1: to be like focuss just getting up in turkey hunting

1554
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: and then just picking in and like, oh, we're gonna

1555
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 1: do this and that, and then hell will fish too.

1556
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: It's just like a lot of times like it just

1557
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 1: it just leads to It can lead to some great experiences,

1558
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of times it leads to some disjointed efforts.

1559
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 1: You know. I think the way that would work is

1560
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: if you we're successful at one very quickly, which sometimes happens.

1561
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: That's what you're some percentage of hunts, you're gonna take

1562
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: an animal on the first day of the second day.

1563
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, probably don't know thirty of hunts.

1564
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna take an animal relatively quickly. And that's what

1565
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was thinking, Man, you know, if

1566
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: we if we get a bear on day two and

1567
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 1: we've still got three days, why wouldn't we turkey hunh

1568
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: That's why I had attack. And then because I just

1569
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: know from my experience in Montana doing what I'm doing, Kylie,

1570
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: you gotta hit the ground running and pound the dirt

1571
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: hard to kill a bear. So I wanted a turkey hunt.

1572
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: But I was like you, I mean, I was like, man,

1573
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: I hope we can. I hope we can focus our

1574
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: efforts enough that we are successful. And but we spring

1575
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: thunder on the way up. When there's one thing more

1576
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: enticing than a turkey, it's a turkey who surprises you

1577
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: with his whereabouts at That's it for me, that's it.

1578
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 1: It's it just has to be scratched, like like what

1579
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 1: because remember we passed that huge beaver dam. It was

1580
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: like the beaver dam of all beaver dams, the beaver Lodge.

1581
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,560
Speaker 1: It was like if you close your eyes, just imagine

1582
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: like a mountain scene with a beaver living in it,

1583
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 1: and then out across that that already speaks my soul

1584
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 1: has already stirred, and then out across that or, as

1585
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 1: Robert Abernathy says, you guys are so focused on that

1586
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:27,640
Speaker 1: mayor he decided not to pack a shotgun as it

1587
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 1: was just so hard to It was just so hard

1588
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: to package shotgun. And we didn't think we're gonna see

1589
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 1: a turkey. And there's legal things here too, where you

1590
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: got a bear hunt, you got a orange on turkey,

1591
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 1: and you don't want orange. So you're kind of like,

1592
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, there's a little bit of like you gotta chance,

1593
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 1: you gotta kind of switch gears. There's a little gear switching.

1594
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 1: A plausible thing is that you're gonna hunt turkeys in

1595
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 1: the morning. If you were really in a honey, well,

1596
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: didn't you kill a turkey to bear in the same day? Seth?

1597
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,759
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't personally. I didn't personally kill a turkey.

1598
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 1: My buddy Ford and Fawston, he works first like shot

1599
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 1: the turkey and then I shot the bear that evening. Yes,

1600
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: I said, you look out one side of your tent

1601
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 1: and your turkey hunt. You look at the other side

1602
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: of your tent and your bear hunt. Nice, Yeah, that's cool. Yeah,

1603
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: that's fun. No spoiler alert, but sort of what happened

1604
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: to us? Well, so you should we walk through the

1605
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: turkey hunt, I ride back and get our shotgun, I

1606
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 1: leave your truck unlocked and all that um, and then

1607
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 1: we turkey out that next morning and find a bunch

1608
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,679
Speaker 1: of birds called them right into the mules. Yeah, yeah,

1609
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: they know, they cold rolled into our mules. We we

1610
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 1: rode for an hour in the dark, parked the mules

1611
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 1: well ahead of where we thought the turkeys were, and

1612
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:51,799
Speaker 1: sure enough, the turkeys were probably roosted a hundred yards

1613
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: from our mules. I mean, is that right. I don't

1614
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 1: know if they were already roosted or I mean if

1615
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 1: they were still roosted when we got there, because wasn't

1616
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 1: it a little after daylight? It was why we got there,

1617
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 1: like right at gobble time. I felt like, I mean,

1618
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:08,560
Speaker 1: it was dark. It's pretty funny because Seth and I,

1619
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, turkey hunting and filming, the name of the

1620
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 1: game is usually like chopped down the crew as much

1621
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 1: as possible to just the minimum amount of cameras and

1622
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 1: for since you guys were hunting together, we had to

1623
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: have at least two. So it's you know, a big

1624
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 1: group as it is. So Seth and I are basically

1625
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: just gonna hang back at the mules. Were like getting

1626
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 1: food out and getting ready to getting ready to make

1627
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 1: some coffee, you know, around to a coffee and just

1628
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and watch the woods light up, you know,

1629
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,600
Speaker 1: from the morning sun. And you guys are just disappearing

1630
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,560
Speaker 1: around the corner down the trail, going to where you

1631
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: think the birds are gonna be, and then all of

1632
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 1: sudden the opposite direction, like not a hundred yards away.

1633
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So Seth and I then just shut ourselves

1634
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: down and hit the dirt, laid there and waited for

1635
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: you guys started working your way. And it was like

1636
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: these turkeys kind of like walk into the mules and

1637
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 1: you can picture him talk and being like, dude, I

1638
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: don't mean to be paranoid, but there's a couple of

1639
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: meals with saddles, and though I do hear a hen

1640
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: calling from those mules, I just don't. As a matter

1641
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: of fact, may be on one of the mules, I

1642
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,679
Speaker 1: don't know. I think we should gobble a whole bunch,

1643
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 1: but still move out of here. Yeah. So we spent

1644
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 1: the whole morning chasing those birds around and probably were

1645
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 1: within fifty sixty yards um several times. It just never

1646
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: could They just just never could make it happen, which

1647
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 1: was surprising to both of us, I think, because these

1648
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 1: are like wilderness gobblers that certainly had I mean, I

1649
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 1: can't imagine somebody else being back in their mess. It

1650
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: might be exceptions to my rule. I don't know, because

1651
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 1: the turkeys will move a long way. Yeah. Uh, you

1652
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,479
Speaker 1: know what I'm just thinking of right now. For some reason. Um,

1653
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 1: we one time we're hunting moose and all laugh, twenty

1654
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:08,639
Speaker 1: miles from the road and we killed a bull whose

1655
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 1: ass is full of bird shot. M hm ah. Healed

1656
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 1: up and I feel like gotten someone's garden. I mean,

1657
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:19,560
Speaker 1: he could have got shot out in the woods. But

1658
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: I always you know, like you know, a nice thing.

1659
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 1: Turkeys don't move, But you talked to the turk. What's

1660
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: what's the Chamberlain, Mike turkey doc, He's got plenty of

1661
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 1: evidence contrary, Like you know, they don't always move, but

1662
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 1: they will move. So I was gonna say that these

1663
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 1: turkeys could be contenders for undoing my observation about turkeys

1664
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 1: needing a little help hereabouts in the winter. But if

1665
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: you told me that those turkeys were spent the winter

1666
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: ten miles away, I would be yeah, yeah, well, in

1667
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 1: those turkeys were only a couple of miles from the

1668
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 1: nearest house, from cabins and stuff. Yeah, that's true. They

1669
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 1: could you like onto a cabin where someone's just putting

1670
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 1: out corn for him, which happens. Yeah, yeah, I will

1671
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 1: say that Janice Patelis has a very impressive mouth crow call.

1672
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hit it for him. Niow, wow, wow,

1673
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 1: can you believe it? Right? Man? Do the far off elk? Johnny?

1674
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 1: Do you hear this? This is what yannest is mostly

1675
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: famous for. That's some a s m R. I right there, man,

1676
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 1: that's an elk way far away. Do it again. I

1677
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 1: haven't even farther away. He's Here's when you know you're

1678
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 1: boned because he's moving farther away. You're like smiling, trying

1679
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 1: to smile, and you're like, I swear her to bugle,

1680
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: I swear her to bugle. Then he gets a little

1681
01:44:55,320 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: farther away. Hit men. Then you're like, we're never gonna

1682
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 1: get him. Um. Yeah, he's got a really impressive crow call.

1683
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: So much so then when we were trying to work

1684
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 1: these turkeys, we at one point we're trying to figure

1685
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 1: out where they were and wander down. Yanni stills hanging

1686
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,759
Speaker 1: out by these mules we wanted way down the trail.

1687
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: Do like crow call, blue jay call, hybrid. I will

1688
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 1: call and then Yanni can hear us trying to shot

1689
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 1: gobble it up, and Yanni rips his crow call the

1690
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 1: bird gobbles bios. Yeah, what's funny is that we we

1691
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 1: pulled out everything we had to shot goblets. Bird didn't work,

1692
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 1: Yannick goblets. I can't say it now because I don't

1693
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 1: want people to get onto this, but my brother had

1694
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 1: an epiphany A shot gobble of piff need this year,

1695
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be very controversial, very divisive. But I'm

1696
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna use it too, and I don't want to talk

1697
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,640
Speaker 1: about what it is, Okay, So you just tells us that,

1698
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: so you could tell us. You can't tell us just

1699
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,520
Speaker 1: I just want to rub people's noses in it. Very controversial,

1700
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 1: very divine. Is it a wild animal. It's a way

1701
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 1: that I will uh in in in the shot gobble world.

1702
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: I will dominate m I look forward to it's a

1703
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: it's a I don't want to go into great detail.

1704
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 1: It will not be ignored by turkeys or people. Very controversial.

1705
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,679
Speaker 1: But I think you need I think you need something

1706
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 1: Steve rather than your blue Jay call. No, dude, I'm like,

1707
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 1: I like, I'm not. There's a lot of things I'm not.

1708
01:46:53,280 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 1: I am uh. I regard myself as relative to I've

1709
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,759
Speaker 1: phoned out with some very good turkey hunters. I regard

1710
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 1: myself as if I had a turkey specialty. Besides like

1711
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 1: a certain level of gur which which I feel like

1712
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 1: I have when it comes to Turkey's enthusiasm, I have enthusiasm.

1713
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: I am a very effective getter of shot cobbles. Okay,

1714
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 1: I'm very good at getting shot cobbles. It's like, I'm

1715
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 1: not a good caller. I'm not a good lot of stuff,

1716
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 1: but I am good at getting shot gobbles. Well, I

1717
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:35,600
Speaker 1: can't wait until next year you can report back to

1718
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 1: us after you had a whole season with your new

1719
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 1: shot gobble getter. Because I don't know, I think there's

1720
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:42,840
Speaker 1: a lot of things out there that people have already

1721
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:47,679
Speaker 1: been doing that are very similar to that and don't

1722
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 1: say too much. I won't. I won't. I mean, we

1723
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 1: all know they shot gobble to all sorts are crazy,

1724
01:47:53,560 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 1: crazy sounds. Yeah yeah, m hm, so we so we

1725
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 1: chased these. I am not. I am. There's many things

1726
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm not even in the turkey woods. Many things I'm not.

1727
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 1: Many areas where I fall short, calling being one of them.

1728
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:20,719
Speaker 1: But I am a good getter of shotgulbs that enjoyed

1729
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 1: hunting with you for a couple of days. Man, many

1730
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 1: things I'm not. Okay, tell us about those ship Clay

1731
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 1: looked at a at the clock. We don't have another

1732
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 1: time for that, okay. So you guys didn't get a turkey,

1733
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: didn't really quit just in the interest of time, I wanna.

1734
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 1: So then I got real in turkey hunt on this trip.

1735
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:50,679
Speaker 1: And then there was no stop in me on turkey hunting.

1736
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 1: And we started doing what is happens hereabouts a fair

1737
01:48:55,080 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 1: bit as we started hunting where um national forest land

1738
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:06,600
Speaker 1: a butts the yards of people who love turkeys and

1739
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 1: feed them corn. All winter laws be damned, um. And

1740
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: that's like a that's like a it's kind of like

1741
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 1: a dirty secret. A lot of turkey hunt like Montana

1742
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:20,560
Speaker 1: hunters opened up a lot of turkeys to find like

1743
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:26,679
Speaker 1: sunflower seeds or corn, and there's like dogs barking doors,

1744
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: slamming people yelling at their kids. But you're on National

1745
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: forest Land hunting turkeys, birds, and you're trying. You're like

1746
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: aware of turkeys because you see them in the person's

1747
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 1: yard as an as an example, trutting on their green

1748
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: lawn as an example of this. And a bird that

1749
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 1: was so comfortable in someone's lawn. We saw that one

1750
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 1: bird strutting like what ten twenty yards from that golden retriever.

1751
01:49:54,479 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 1: Like I got burned on Montana turkeys. A golden story

1752
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 1: about those two and a golden retreat. Yeah. And here's

1753
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 1: the thing. Here's the thing. Like our hunt turkeys wherever

1754
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 1: they are. We get all kinds of emails and people

1755
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 1: be like, I can't tell if it's right that I'm

1756
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:14,839
Speaker 1: hunting the golf course. I'm like, if those are turkey

1757
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:18,680
Speaker 1: and you have legal access hunt the turkey, it's just

1758
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 1: the it's just the reality. But we are actively there's

1759
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 1: a dog, there's a turkey hanging out with a dog,

1760
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 1: and we're trying to bring that bird up there. There's

1761
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: a guy cutting firewood too, and we're trying to lure

1762
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 1: his bird up as a different day and a totally

1763
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:38,599
Speaker 1: different I just got all into I'm saying at that point,

1764
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:41,639
Speaker 1: I was hunting turkeys. Yeah, So so we came out

1765
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:46,040
Speaker 1: of this deep country where we were after Yeah, so

1766
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: we came back and that's when we said, hey, we

1767
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 1: need to split up. So I went bear hunting and

1768
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: you went turkey. I'm saying, in their interests of time,

1769
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: in the interest of time, I'm trying to dispatch with

1770
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 1: my turkey on. I want to do a whole different

1771
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:01,920
Speaker 1: zone where you can we're work of the edges, and

1772
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 1: we found this is a good edge hunting story. We

1773
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:10,439
Speaker 1: found a area that was just really getting scratched up,

1774
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 1: really heavy, and it was kind of like where National

1775
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 1: forests sort of jutted out into that kind of stuff.

1776
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 1: You get where it's all used to be farm and

1777
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:23,360
Speaker 1: ranch but it's becoming housey. But so you got like

1778
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 1: like where we killed our bird. I mean, we had

1779
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 1: seen like white tailed deer, mule deer, a bunch of

1780
01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 1: elk out in the field, Turkeys run around people's yards, um,

1781
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 1: and we're just kind of nudged out into it and

1782
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 1: we were in an area where they were really scratching

1783
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: under some ponder rolls. So they had done a bunch

1784
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 1: of thinning projects, uh fire mitigation, and opened it up

1785
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 1: beautifully into like picture perfect turkey stuff, and they were

1786
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,400
Speaker 1: just scratching like the dickens, and we heard a bird

1787
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 1: gobble and they that went back the next day and

1788
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 1: reworked him and got him the second time around. But

1789
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: it was funny while we're trying to get them. The

1790
01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 1: first time we tried to work them. We're sitting there

1791
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 1: against the tree and got like we're like camoed up.

1792
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 1: We're on one side of an old two track and

1793
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 1: the birds on the other, our decoys on the other

1794
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:08,600
Speaker 1: side of the old two track, and all of a

1795
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:12,439
Speaker 1: sudden ris filming me and also here Rick going ker

1796
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 1: And the reason he's not saying a lot her is

1797
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 1: she's already so close to us. That's like there's just

1798
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 1: no way to alert her to our presence without giving

1799
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: her a heart attack. Man. He's like, look, here comes

1800
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,679
Speaker 1: a woman with walking her dog and the dog doesn't

1801
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 1: even know we're there, but like she's on and she's

1802
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: in our lap. And so I do the old like

1803
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 1: slow wave because although she's got to see us, it's

1804
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 1: gonna be worse. Like every step she takes, it's only

1805
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 1: gonna be worse. So I'm like, pardon me there, you know,

1806
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 1: like give like a wave and she yeah, jumps back

1807
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:55,560
Speaker 1: very alarmed. Dogs hackles instantly go up, and she's in

1808
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: the awkward position like being cool with it. But she

1809
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,840
Speaker 1: was good luck, oh wow, and went about her business.

1810
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 1: But I was pretty funny, man. I was like in

1811
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 1: my hand, like do we ride it out and just

1812
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 1: hope that she never notices us or notices why sir

1813
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 1: rubber turkey sitting here? And you had to make that

1814
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 1: split second call excuse me, ma'am. We're just out here

1815
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:23,280
Speaker 1: enjoying the morning with a big camera and some shotguns playing.

1816
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 1: I ran into some horse for horse people riding their ponies,

1817
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 1: and we had somehow passed by him once already. Then

1818
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 1: we had gone and set up similar situation on this trail,

1819
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:39,559
Speaker 1: and then we hear them talking. They're coming down the trail,

1820
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:42,120
Speaker 1: they're not seeing us, and the guy gets to like,

1821
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten yards from us, and the horse

1822
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 1: the horse sauce, Yeah, the horse sauce. And I'm kind

1823
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:49,639
Speaker 1: of leaning around the corner already starting to like make

1824
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 1: a waiver. And he looks and sees our decoys and

1825
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: he says to his old ladies, like, there's those birds

1826
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 1: and boys are looking forward. What did he cause boys?

1827
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:06,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what he said, but I don't know

1828
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:09,640
Speaker 1: exactly his statement, but he basically said was a derogatory

1829
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:11,760
Speaker 1: towards you know, not at all. He was just saying, like,

1830
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 1: there's there. He saw our decoys and said, oh, there's

1831
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:18,600
Speaker 1: some turkeys. That's the ones they're looking for. Well, the

1832
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 1: horses threw their ears up and and that the reason

1833
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:25,720
Speaker 1: they saw us is because the horse wouldn't go. The

1834
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 1: horse saw us, and that's what horses do. And uh

1835
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:34,160
Speaker 1: and she couldn't get her horse to go, and that's yeah.

1836
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 1: I didn't hear giddy up expressly, um, but that's why

1837
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 1: she was trying to get it to do in anyway, Yeah, yeah,

1838
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: said yeah, I'm not a fan of that kind of hunt.

1839
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, nothing wrong with it. I just would rather

1840
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 1: be out in the woods. Yeah, anybody listen what I'm saying.

1841
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:55,520
Speaker 1: As a Turkey enthusiast, there's places where one just has

1842
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: to embrace. Yeah, you're like, this is where the turkeys

1843
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:01,400
Speaker 1: are I'm a allowed to hunt turkeys. I want to

1844
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys, and you just got to embrace that that's

1845
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 1: what you're doing and and not doctor it up like

1846
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:09,720
Speaker 1: it's something that it's not. If I lived in Montana,

1847
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 1: I would do that. I guess my thing was, I

1848
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 1: don't come to Montana to turkey hunting. Somebody's back here.

1849
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 1: Should you come to Montana? I don't. Yeah, I don't. Yeah,

1850
01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 1: but it's just it's just the reality. Yanni. He had

1851
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 1: to call some Uh they were roosted over a house

1852
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 1: like they were like basically in the chimney, and he

1853
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:34,440
Speaker 1: had to work them. Yeah, but those birds had not

1854
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 1: been hunted and since they have been roosting above that chimney.

1855
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 1: And uh, but I tell you that. I mean an

1856
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:44,960
Speaker 1: example of how a turkey gets real slick, real soon,

1857
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:46,640
Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, shout, hunt him on the

1858
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 1: golf course. It's like, look, man, it may be easy

1859
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 1: a hunt or two. It may it may never be easy.

1860
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 1: But just because you see him on the golf course

1861
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 1: or in the neighborhood and you have that special access,

1862
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna allow you access to those turkeys. It's only

1863
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 1: gonna be easy. So many times we hunted those birds.

1864
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna be easy one time twice, Yeah, once with

1865
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:12,880
Speaker 1: just amazing ease and success. This next time was still

1866
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 1: pretty dang good. Their third time I went back, there

1867
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 1: were no more turkeys. Tell me fool me once, you

1868
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:26,080
Speaker 1: know whatever, twice like whatever, fool me three times. Uh,

1869
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:31,880
Speaker 1: that's what I think turkeys think, Clay. How offensive would

1870
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:35,240
Speaker 1: it be? How offense would it would it be to you? If?

1871
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 1: Since we this is gonna be a this is an

1872
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:44,400
Speaker 1: episode of our show, right it's captured beautifully video, how

1873
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 1: offensive would it be if we left this as a

1874
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 1: cliffhanger and you didn't right now actually tell how you

1875
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 1: got your bear when you went off roll? Was that

1876
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:04,200
Speaker 1: a bull far away? Would that be super offensive? Um?

1877
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:09,120
Speaker 1: That's your call, man. It wouldn't be to me. It

1878
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't offend you. I mean, it wouldn't offend me. I mean,

1879
01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 1: I think I think we could, uh, we could describe

1880
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 1: the hunt and and actually give people some meat to

1881
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:20,920
Speaker 1: take home for how they could bear hunt in the

1882
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:24,360
Speaker 1: spring to go. So I'll just I'll just walk us

1883
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:27,360
Speaker 1: into the third day of the hunt. Janice and I

1884
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 1: and Dirt Myth went back into a new spot where

1885
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:34,360
Speaker 1: you guys stayed hardcore. I went weak, that's right. And

1886
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 1: we so we went to an area that basically, uh

1887
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 1: justin Spring had found on on X that just was

1888
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 1: a big, you know, kind of an opening in the

1889
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,760
Speaker 1: midst of a big drainage full of timber. And I

1890
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 1: would say there was an opening that was probably a

1891
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:53,040
Speaker 1: half mile by a half mile and you could get

1892
01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:55,680
Speaker 1: on the opposite side of the canyon and glass that's

1893
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:58,360
Speaker 1: big opening pretty easily and that and that's where the

1894
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:01,440
Speaker 1: food is, that's where the green as emerging grass, that's right.

1895
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:05,440
Speaker 1: And so we took the mules three miles to get

1896
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: to this vantage point. So this is way pretty far

1897
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 1: back in there, and that's why I went there. And

1898
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 1: long story short, we got there the last hour of

1899
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 1: daylight and within five minutes of glassing, we spotted a bear.

1900
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 1: It was me and Dirt spotted it. The eagle was

1901
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 1: Dirt was within a lot of I love him. I

1902
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 1: love him. He's a lot of things. He's not a spodder. Well,

1903
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 1: he was within our he was within arms reaching me.

1904
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 1: When I spotted the bear, I was giving him some

1905
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:45,960
Speaker 1: credit and so essentially watched this bear. It was too

1906
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:47,840
Speaker 1: late in the evening. He was eight hundred yards away

1907
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 1: across the super deep canyon. I mean to get over

1908
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 1: there would have taken two or three hours, probably two hours,

1909
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, there was no way to get

1910
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 1: to the bear. So we camped out right there that

1911
01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 1: Janice and I and we all we set up camp

1912
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 1: exactly where we had spied the bear. And the next

1913
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 1: day we just woke up at daylight and the plan

1914
01:59:06,720 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 1: was to watch that meadow the whole day. So, I mean,

1915
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:12,800
Speaker 1: that's bear hunting. Find a bear, get in the spot

1916
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 1: where he can't smell you see you, but where you

1917
01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:19,200
Speaker 1: can see him, and you wait for him, and when

1918
01:59:19,240 --> 01:59:21,720
Speaker 1: you see him, you make a move on him. And

1919
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 1: so the next day we woke up at daylight and

1920
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,640
Speaker 1: from camp we glassed and didn't see the bear. Didn't

1921
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:31,160
Speaker 1: see the bear, didn't see the bear. But we were

1922
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: all pretty confident we were gonna see the bear before

1923
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:35,160
Speaker 1: the day was over, and the intent was to stay

1924
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 1: there all day and camp another night if we had to.

1925
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:42,120
Speaker 1: And at eleven o'clock the next day, we saw the

1926
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 1: bear moving down an old, you know, unusable logging road

1927
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:51,520
Speaker 1: through this clearing, kind of going away from us. Well,

1928
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 1: there happened to be a logging road that we were

1929
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:58,400
Speaker 1: on that paralleled this bear. He's on this one ridge,

1930
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 1: we're on another ridge, and so we the bears moving

1931
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:03,880
Speaker 1: away from us. Let's just say it was moving east.

1932
02:00:04,440 --> 02:00:08,160
Speaker 1: We start moving east on our ridge. The more the

1933
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:12,400
Speaker 1: the as we both went east than the draw the

1934
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:16,680
Speaker 1: hollow whatever it's called the holler. We had a debate

1935
02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: over what it was called upstream. Yeah, the holl of narrowed.

1936
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:24,480
Speaker 1: So every step he took to the east and we

1937
02:00:24,600 --> 02:00:26,320
Speaker 1: took to the east. We're getting closer and closer. To

1938
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:29,440
Speaker 1: imagine the letter V, you're both headed towards the point

1939
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 1: of that's right. But the problem is is that the

1940
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:36,480
Speaker 1: direction he's going, we're losing open space. So there's just

1941
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 1: this bush wall of timber. Yeah, so so we're watching,

1942
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 1: were watching, We watch him, and finally we get to

1943
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:45,600
Speaker 1: the end of our road as far as almost as

1944
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:48,280
Speaker 1: far as we can go, and basically we watched the

1945
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:53,640
Speaker 1: bear come down the hill and disappear into a a

1946
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:57,360
Speaker 1: block of timber that was three sides open, and one

1947
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:01,200
Speaker 1: side of this little little you know, a little block

1948
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:05,400
Speaker 1: of timber was connected to this vast, unfragmented forest behind it,

1949
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:08,600
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, absolutely, Okay. We watched the bear

1950
02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:11,240
Speaker 1: go into this little block of Tember, probably fifty yards

1951
02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:17,320
Speaker 1: by fifty yards wide, you know, not not huge, not huge.

1952
02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:21,240
Speaker 1: He We've got a seventy five chance that that bear,

1953
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:23,240
Speaker 1: if he comes out of that block of Tember, that

1954
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:25,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to see him because seventy five

1955
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 1: percent of the edge is open. There's a twenty chance

1956
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:31,120
Speaker 1: that he could skirt into the big timber and we'd

1957
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:35,480
Speaker 1: never see him again. As Yeah, And so what we

1958
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:37,840
Speaker 1: decided to do, you honest, I think it was probably

1959
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 1: honest's idea was for us to go down even further

1960
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:43,600
Speaker 1: and get as close as possible to that block Oftember

1961
02:01:43,600 --> 02:01:45,200
Speaker 1: where we last saw. So that's what we did. So

1962
02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:50,080
Speaker 1: we dropped off super steep, I mean very steep hillside,

1963
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:56,360
Speaker 1: and we got within I want to say, five hundred yards. Yes,

1964
02:01:56,440 --> 02:01:59,120
Speaker 1: some some of the shots might even been closer well

1965
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:04,240
Speaker 1: the a word lower down from the block September. I

1966
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:06,680
Speaker 1: want to say, we were five to six yards away,

1967
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:10,680
Speaker 1: which is, you know, not in range. And but we

1968
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:13,600
Speaker 1: just decided to wait. So the bear, we watched him,

1969
02:02:13,680 --> 02:02:17,640
Speaker 1: he bedded down at eleven o'clock and we sat there

1970
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 1: from eleven o'clock till five pm when Dirt saw the

1971
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:25,400
Speaker 1: bear coming out of the little block September. Dirt did

1972
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:27,320
Speaker 1: it was pretty It was pretty cool because we're sitting

1973
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:30,720
Speaker 1: It was funny because we're sitting there for so long

1974
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:33,720
Speaker 1: that Janna says, where do you all think we're gonna

1975
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:36,120
Speaker 1: see the bear? And so we all forecast, you know,

1976
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I think he's gonna come out from

1977
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:40,400
Speaker 1: here and he's gonna go up there. And Yanna say,

1978
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:42,280
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna come out from here and go there.

1979
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:45,160
Speaker 1: And Dirt says, you'll see right through that little hole

1980
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 1: where there's a we're two trees of falling over and

1981
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 1: there's like an X in a little opening the canopy.

1982
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:54,680
Speaker 1: And we were like, yeah, I don't Dirt wouldn't describe

1983
02:02:54,680 --> 02:03:02,880
Speaker 1: it like that. He described it. You see that uh tree? Well, hey,

1984
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:08,480
Speaker 1: we got you guys been working on his spotting, describedies

1985
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 1: and and describe you see this this magazine covert saw it.

1986
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:14,680
Speaker 1: Then when Dirt made the cover dip Aficionado, I took

1987
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:19,920
Speaker 1: that photo. Rick got a cover photo and dip Aficionado okay,

1988
02:03:19,960 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 1: we really okay, so you know what we're gonna do.

1989
02:03:22,360 --> 02:03:24,280
Speaker 1: Let me, let's just real quick, keep going. But here's

1990
02:03:24,280 --> 02:03:26,840
Speaker 1: the thing is, at this point it's a big we know,

1991
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:28,600
Speaker 1: it's a nice big bear. I want to leave it

1992
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:30,600
Speaker 1: like a cliffhanger. So when you get to go to

1993
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:33,680
Speaker 1: get the shot, let's not tell people whether you got

1994
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:36,360
Speaker 1: it or not. And they'll watch because this is what

1995
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:37,960
Speaker 1: it'll be like what we call in this business, we

1996
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:41,720
Speaker 1: called a throw. It could be a throw of the episode. Well,

1997
02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:46,200
Speaker 1: the bear shows up exactly where Dirt said. Dirt was

1998
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:51,880
Speaker 1: literally like he's standing over the log. I mean, well,

1999
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, Yany's dad can conjure game. I wouldn't rule

2000
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:58,240
Speaker 1: out that Dirt conjured it. It was it was pretty cool,

2001
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:02,880
Speaker 1: and the bear could have done He had three sixty

2002
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:05,120
Speaker 1: degrees that he could have gone. There was about a

2003
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 1: ten degree window that have what would have been the

2004
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:12,160
Speaker 1: absolute most beneficial for shot opportunity for him to go in.

2005
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:15,560
Speaker 1: And the bear came directly down the mountain, and so

2006
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:18,800
Speaker 1: we're on a vid hillside. So the further he goes

2007
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:21,360
Speaker 1: down the mountain, the closer he gets to us too.

2008
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:24,000
Speaker 1: You know, he's getting closer to us as he goes down.

2009
02:04:24,280 --> 02:04:26,920
Speaker 1: And the bear comes into three fifty yards and you'll

2010
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:32,040
Speaker 1: have to watch meat eater blouch. Does he get it?

2011
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:37,560
Speaker 1: Stay tuned all right now into UM that was good.

2012
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:39,440
Speaker 1: People are gonna be, like really on the edge of

2013
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:42,000
Speaker 1: their seats. I think we told him we killed the

2014
02:04:42,040 --> 02:04:46,600
Speaker 1: bear though he did, but they don't know what exacts.

2015
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:52,320
Speaker 1: People don't love you don't even pay attention. UM, stay

2016
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:56,640
Speaker 1: tuned now for our our our the appendix of this episode. UM.

2017
02:04:56,720 --> 02:04:59,080
Speaker 1: In the appendix of this episode, one will find a

2018
02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:07,160
Speaker 1: brief online skype uh interview with Donald Trump, junior member

2019
02:05:07,240 --> 02:05:22,840
Speaker 1: of the First Family. Hey, how's it going. How's it going? Guys?

2020
02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:27,360
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming on. Um. You know,

2021
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:31,640
Speaker 1: I first wanted to talk to you and and thought

2022
02:05:31,680 --> 02:05:37,080
Speaker 1: about you a fair deal after the death of you know,

2023
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:40,040
Speaker 1: a mutual acquaintance, a friend of yours, which is someone

2024
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:44,800
Speaker 1: I knew professionally, Jason Harrison. After you had been out

2025
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:47,000
Speaker 1: a trip together. That must have been that must have

2026
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:50,960
Speaker 1: been pretty impactful. Uh yeah, I mean that that was

2027
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:52,400
Speaker 1: a rough one for me. I mean he was really

2028
02:05:52,600 --> 02:05:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, one of my best friends. Uh, you know,

2029
02:05:55,480 --> 02:05:58,360
Speaker 1: we've we've done you know, sort of numerous sheep hunts together.

2030
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:00,160
Speaker 1: I think it was an interesting thing we sort of had,

2031
02:06:00,720 --> 02:06:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, the commonality that you and I know about,

2032
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, just you know guys from hunting camp. But

2033
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:08,360
Speaker 1: because you know, because he started sitcut, because he started

2034
02:06:08,440 --> 02:06:10,840
Speaker 1: COO you we also sort of had that sort of

2035
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:13,320
Speaker 1: business mindset, so we we we had those two things

2036
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:16,920
Speaker 1: in common. So we spoke, I mean almost almost every day.

2037
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:18,960
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, like I said, I was on

2038
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:21,440
Speaker 1: a sheep hunt with him. We did an incredible uh

2039
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:24,680
Speaker 1: dollar sheep hunt up in the Yukon. Uh. We came

2040
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:27,400
Speaker 1: out of that and he actually had a father's son

2041
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:30,520
Speaker 1: hunt to do. Literally the following week, I had the same.

2042
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:34,360
Speaker 1: I took my son up into b C to do

2043
02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:36,920
Speaker 1: a goat hunt, uh you know, like a father's son

2044
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:38,440
Speaker 1: goat hunt, and it was awesome. And he was up

2045
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:42,160
Speaker 1: doing a cariboo hunt with cash, his son. And you know,

2046
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:45,080
Speaker 1: I remember I was coming out of you know, British Columbia.

2047
02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:48,959
Speaker 1: I was in uh the airport at Vancouver after transferring

2048
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 1: through white Horse, UM and Kirsten, Jason's wife calls me

2049
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:56,760
Speaker 1: and and tells me this goes on. I'm saying, wait

2050
02:06:56,800 --> 02:07:00,520
Speaker 1: a second, Like we've literally gone back and forth all

2051
02:07:00,640 --> 02:07:03,480
Speaker 1: day by text message. I mean literally sharing photos of

2052
02:07:03,560 --> 02:07:06,760
Speaker 1: our hunt that day. We I mean that day, uh,

2053
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:10,800
Speaker 1: we we literally booked a hunt for ourselves with our boys,

2054
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:15,320
Speaker 1: uh and like set a date and so uh that

2055
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 1: that was shocking. I mean I was like, you know,

2056
02:07:17,600 --> 02:07:19,600
Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm literally getting on a plane. She

2057
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:21,760
Speaker 1: was actually in New York, so I was on a

2058
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:24,680
Speaker 1: separate text matters with her and Kimberly, my girlfriend, because

2059
02:07:24,680 --> 02:07:26,520
Speaker 1: we were gonna have dinner in New York with Jason,

2060
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 1: and then him and I are going back and forth.

2061
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, come to find out, you know,

2062
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:33,640
Speaker 1: his last text to me it was, you know, sort

2063
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:37,120
Speaker 1: of a buddy buddy. Uh. You know it's called a

2064
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:40,000
Speaker 1: little slightly ball breaking type of text about eight minutes

2065
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:44,920
Speaker 1: before he did that, and I and you would have

2066
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:47,040
Speaker 1: never known. I mean it was like literally an inside

2067
02:07:47,120 --> 02:07:49,200
Speaker 1: joke that we had going back and forth, just totally

2068
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:53,880
Speaker 1: breaking chops. But like I said, within two weeks prior,

2069
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:56,840
Speaker 1: I shared a tent with him for fourteen days on

2070
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:58,320
Speaker 1: a on a sheep hunt. I mean it wasn't like,

2071
02:07:58,920 --> 02:08:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, we shared a base camp and saw each

2072
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:02,000
Speaker 1: other at night or anything like that. I mean, we

2073
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:04,240
Speaker 1: did a you know, a hundred twenty mile round trip

2074
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 1: track up at uh, you know, the Bonno Plume River,

2075
02:08:07,480 --> 02:08:12,520
Speaker 1: and you know seven was with him. I actually tagged

2076
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:16,400
Speaker 1: out on on day two. Uh, this hunch just you know,

2077
02:08:16,440 --> 02:08:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm just got lucky, so an incredible you know dollar

2078
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:21,240
Speaker 1: ram and you know, tagged out and you know, rather

2079
02:08:21,320 --> 02:08:23,840
Speaker 1: than doing the usual okay, time to go home, I said, hey,

2080
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:26,760
Speaker 1: let me, I'm gonna stick around, you know, do your hunting.

2081
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:28,760
Speaker 1: So it was sort of nice to you know, leave

2082
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:30,760
Speaker 1: the rifle back and camp, just go along for the ride,

2083
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:34,240
Speaker 1: go along for the hike in the scenery. Uh. And man,

2084
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did that because I got a lot

2085
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:39,240
Speaker 1: of good times with a great man. You know when

2086
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:41,760
Speaker 1: I said, I wanted to how I had thought about

2087
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:44,240
Speaker 1: you after that happened, as I had had something similar

2088
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:46,520
Speaker 1: happened with a friend of mine who he was up

2089
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:49,600
Speaker 1: at our fish shack and we were hanging out for

2090
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 1: a week and then he went home and and uh,

2091
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:54,440
Speaker 1: it took his own life, and it makes it really

2092
02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:58,560
Speaker 1: makes you go back and and sort of reanalyze everything.

2093
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:00,040
Speaker 1: And I think there's another guy. There's a guy I

2094
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:02,080
Speaker 1: do know. Nay, I think Jay Scott. I believe you know,

2095
02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:04,440
Speaker 1: Jay Scott and he was friends with Jason too, And

2096
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:07,280
Speaker 1: I was with Jay Scott shortly after that, and Jay

2097
02:09:07,320 --> 02:09:09,760
Speaker 1: Scott said he was talking about how he's gonna start

2098
02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:14,720
Speaker 1: changing the way that he asked his friends how you're doing,

2099
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:18,680
Speaker 1: meaning he's gonna be like no, like really, how are

2100
02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:21,440
Speaker 1: you right? Like I don't want to miss I don't

2101
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 1: want to miss something here, you know, Yeah, No, it's

2102
02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:27,320
Speaker 1: it's really smart. And I mean again for me, I've

2103
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 1: seen it with you know, people that have been pretty

2104
02:09:29,080 --> 02:09:32,280
Speaker 1: close to in the last few years, like yeah, four

2105
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:35,320
Speaker 1: people that I can think of that I mean again, uh,

2106
02:09:36,080 --> 02:09:39,040
Speaker 1: not one of them. You would have seen any outward signs.

2107
02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, hell, Jason, I thought he had

2108
02:09:41,560 --> 02:09:44,200
Speaker 1: the sort of the world by the Cajon is uh,

2109
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:46,200
Speaker 1: you know when you think about everything that he had

2110
02:09:46,280 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 1: going on, I mean, you're just a successful company crushing

2111
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:50,720
Speaker 1: it in every aspect of Lige gets to do what

2112
02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:53,080
Speaker 1: he loves. I mean, you know that said, I mean

2113
02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:57,720
Speaker 1: with me, he did show, you know, some of that vulnerability,

2114
02:09:57,800 --> 02:10:00,840
Speaker 1: but it was more that you know, he understood, uh,

2115
02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, the potential ramifications in his case. You know,

2116
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:07,240
Speaker 1: Cte from you know, a collegiate and professional football career.

2117
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean he understood, uh, you know, the dangers of

2118
02:10:09,960 --> 02:10:12,560
Speaker 1: the head trauma. But like he was that guy that

2119
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, hey, don if if if I had a

2120
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, an injury, you gotta speak to this doctor.

2121
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:18,600
Speaker 1: You gotta speak to him about this. This is how

2122
02:10:18,640 --> 02:10:20,080
Speaker 1: you got to handle it. This is how you're gonna

2123
02:10:20,080 --> 02:10:21,760
Speaker 1: rehab it. So, I mean, this was a guy that

2124
02:10:21,880 --> 02:10:25,560
Speaker 1: was aware, uh you know, he was actively working to

2125
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:28,040
Speaker 1: fix it. He didn't just take a shortcut. He was

2126
02:10:28,080 --> 02:10:30,400
Speaker 1: a really smart guy. You know, did all the research.

2127
02:10:30,440 --> 02:10:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean we spent hours talking about this stuff.

2128
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:35,080
Speaker 1: So I mean he was preparing it such for later

2129
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:38,760
Speaker 1: in life if this thing was going to manifest itself more.

2130
02:10:38,840 --> 02:10:40,920
Speaker 1: But you know, I guess it turns out it was.

2131
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,120
Speaker 1: It was manifesting itself much more than we would have

2132
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:47,360
Speaker 1: uh known. And again, it doesn't take a lot, you know,

2133
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:49,720
Speaker 1: it just needed someone else to be in the driver's

2134
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:52,240
Speaker 1: seat for that that couple of seconds. And you know,

2135
02:10:52,360 --> 02:10:55,400
Speaker 1: there's no there's no taking back that decision. Yeah, it's

2136
02:10:55,480 --> 02:11:00,520
Speaker 1: it's it's horrible. Um, you know you've I was talking

2137
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:02,320
Speaker 1: with some people the other day and I was observing

2138
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:07,640
Speaker 1: how I feel like you're you're the most enthusiastic hunter

2139
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:11,320
Speaker 1: who's like really in the public eye day in day

2140
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:14,120
Speaker 1: out in the country today. I would almost have to

2141
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:18,240
Speaker 1: imagine in terms of like name recognition. But then you know,

2142
02:11:18,360 --> 02:11:20,880
Speaker 1: we have a lot of exposure into your your your

2143
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:23,920
Speaker 1: father's passions and what he does with his time. Um,

2144
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:28,040
Speaker 1: he's not an outspoken hunter. Hunting is so often this

2145
02:11:28,200 --> 02:11:30,000
Speaker 1: sort of you know I bring up all the time,

2146
02:11:30,080 --> 02:11:33,680
Speaker 1: it's this this thing that's passed along like patrilineal descent,

2147
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:35,880
Speaker 1: but with you kind of skipped the generation, right, like

2148
02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:39,320
Speaker 1: you got turned down to it through your grandfather. I did. Yeah, my,

2149
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, my grandfather it was a blue color electrician

2150
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:45,160
Speaker 1: from Communist Czech Slovakia. So he couldn't hunt. I mean,

2151
02:11:45,240 --> 02:11:47,880
Speaker 1: that wasn't for you know, if you weren't like Communist

2152
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:51,080
Speaker 1: party elite in again, you know, Communist Czech Slovakia in

2153
02:11:51,160 --> 02:11:54,160
Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies and eighties, I mean, you couldn't

2154
02:11:54,240 --> 02:11:57,800
Speaker 1: do those things. But he sort of saw the lifestyle

2155
02:11:57,880 --> 02:11:59,880
Speaker 1: that we were blessed with in America with the free

2156
02:12:00,080 --> 02:12:01,560
Speaker 1: m and he just sort of said, hey, you have

2157
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:03,520
Speaker 1: to see the other side of this. So he had

2158
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:05,920
Speaker 1: that conversation with my father. And you know, my father

2159
02:12:06,040 --> 02:12:07,840
Speaker 1: never got exposed to because he grew up in Queens,

2160
02:12:07,880 --> 02:12:10,360
Speaker 1: New York, and you know, he didn't he didn't get

2161
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:12,920
Speaker 1: the ability to have a mentor. And I mean that's

2162
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,800
Speaker 1: what I always talked about with the outdoors, whether it's fishing, hunting, shooting,

2163
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 1: all like, they're not the easiest thing to just pick

2164
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:20,480
Speaker 1: up and go do, Like you need to sort of

2165
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:22,760
Speaker 1: take the time and you know, take a kid of field,

2166
02:12:22,840 --> 02:12:24,720
Speaker 1: take a you know, take a woman of field. They

2167
02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:28,160
Speaker 1: get exposed people, uh, you know to the great outdoors.

2168
02:12:28,200 --> 02:12:29,480
Speaker 1: And so he sort of did that to me. But

2169
02:12:29,560 --> 02:12:31,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't like hunting. It was maybe a little bit

2170
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:35,360
Speaker 1: of fishing, uh and woodsmanship, but he was you know,

2171
02:12:35,480 --> 02:12:38,000
Speaker 1: old school, sort of Eastern European guy. Brought me to

2172
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:41,280
Speaker 1: then Czech Slovakia's like there's the woods. You know, I'll

2173
02:12:41,320 --> 02:12:45,520
Speaker 1: see you at dark, like okay, you know it, six

2174
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:47,640
Speaker 1: seven years old, Like I'd go play in the woods

2175
02:12:47,680 --> 02:12:50,400
Speaker 1: where I mean and I honestly just I fell in love.

2176
02:12:50,680 --> 02:12:53,880
Speaker 1: He passed away when I was about twelve, but you know,

2177
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:55,880
Speaker 1: those the summers that I you know, I spent with

2178
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:58,680
Speaker 1: him there, you know, six eight weeks doing those kind

2179
02:12:58,720 --> 02:13:01,360
Speaker 1: of things just really just off the lasting impression for me.

2180
02:13:01,480 --> 02:13:04,360
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, that was about the time my

2181
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:07,080
Speaker 1: parents were going through a pretty rough divorce, all of

2182
02:13:07,160 --> 02:13:08,760
Speaker 1: that stuff very public, and I just said, you know,

2183
02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 1: get me the hell out of New York City, like

2184
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to be here. So I

2185
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:14,879
Speaker 1: went to boarding school uh in Central Pennsylvania and Pottstown

2186
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:18,000
Speaker 1: sort of you know rust belt p A. But you know,

2187
02:13:18,040 --> 02:13:19,640
Speaker 1: there were a couple of people there that, you know,

2188
02:13:19,720 --> 02:13:21,440
Speaker 1: one guy was just one of these, the dean of

2189
02:13:21,480 --> 02:13:24,160
Speaker 1: students actually just an old school guy. I mean the

2190
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:26,400
Speaker 1: kind of guy that could run around to skeet clean

2191
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:30,480
Speaker 1: uh you know, with an old Winchester fort, like just

2192
02:13:30,880 --> 02:13:32,880
Speaker 1: real outdoorsmen. And you know, he got me into the

2193
02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:35,200
Speaker 1: sort of the shooting sports that way my grandfather got

2194
02:13:35,240 --> 02:13:36,920
Speaker 1: me into air guns and the stuff that they could

2195
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:40,320
Speaker 1: do uh in Czech Republic, but not really any kind

2196
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:43,320
Speaker 1: of center fire or shotgun type sports. Uh. This was

2197
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:45,720
Speaker 1: an old school place that had a rifle range on campus.

2198
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:48,680
Speaker 1: It had skeeting trapped just off and so you know,

2199
02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:50,880
Speaker 1: I fell in love, and you know, I had a

2200
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:52,760
Speaker 1: mentor that was willing to put in the time and

2201
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:55,480
Speaker 1: one day, he just goes, you know, I'll see you

2202
02:13:55,480 --> 02:13:58,280
Speaker 1: in the parking lot Saturday morning, six am, dress warm.

2203
02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:02,640
Speaker 1: And I was like like today today you'd be calling

2204
02:14:02,720 --> 02:14:06,960
Speaker 1: a social services uh you know and the police. Uh.

2205
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:09,040
Speaker 1: For me, I was like, okay, like what's gonna happen?

2206
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:10,800
Speaker 1: And he took me on my first sort of like

2207
02:14:10,920 --> 02:14:14,400
Speaker 1: upland bird hunt, and you know, I fell in love.

2208
02:14:14,480 --> 02:14:15,960
Speaker 1: And then you know, later that year just took me

2209
02:14:16,040 --> 02:14:18,960
Speaker 1: even I just like an apprentice watcher, uh, you know,

2210
02:14:19,480 --> 02:14:22,960
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Opening Day deer, you know, with the sort of

2211
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:26,240
Speaker 1: camaraderie and all of this, and man, they're just at

2212
02:14:26,280 --> 02:14:28,960
Speaker 1: that point, there wasn't a book I didn't read, uh,

2213
02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, a magazine I wouldn't subscribe to, just you know,

2214
02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:34,520
Speaker 1: trying to build up that wealth of knowledge as someone

2215
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:37,560
Speaker 1: who didn't really have anyone else, uh, you know, getting

2216
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:39,760
Speaker 1: him into there. There was a similar story with a

2217
02:14:39,800 --> 02:14:41,839
Speaker 1: guy about flat fishing that got me into the basics

2218
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:44,080
Speaker 1: of fly fishing. But like when I say basics, I

2219
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:46,000
Speaker 1: mean I reeled in the line every time for the

2220
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:48,600
Speaker 1: first two years of my fly fishing career, so uh

2221
02:14:49,240 --> 02:14:51,520
Speaker 1: it was pretty brutal, but you know, I fell in

2222
02:14:51,600 --> 02:14:53,800
Speaker 1: love and just kept going from there. I feel like

2223
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:57,960
Speaker 1: at this point, um, you're like your outdoor activities are

2224
02:14:57,960 --> 02:15:00,160
Speaker 1: so scrutinized by the media, and I feel like a

2225
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:02,960
Speaker 1: kind of weaponize and taken out of context and some

2226
02:15:03,240 --> 02:15:05,000
Speaker 1: to some extent, I feel like you could have an

2227
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:09,879
Speaker 1: impoverished grandmother who has a garden that's getting destroyed by rabbits,

2228
02:15:10,640 --> 02:15:13,680
Speaker 1: and if Don Junior shot one of those rabbits, man,

2229
02:15:14,040 --> 02:15:17,720
Speaker 1: it would be right, it would be You'd be crucified

2230
02:15:17,880 --> 02:15:20,880
Speaker 1: for it. Like, what was the earliest pushback you can

2231
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:23,880
Speaker 1: remember when you started to identify. You're like, I'm gonna

2232
02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:26,160
Speaker 1: I like to hunt. I'm gonna identify as a hunter

2233
02:15:26,200 --> 02:15:28,840
Speaker 1: and angler. What was your first awareness where you're like, oh,

2234
02:15:29,200 --> 02:15:32,280
Speaker 1: there's a price to be paid for this. Yeah. I

2235
02:15:32,440 --> 02:15:33,960
Speaker 1: never hit from it. I mean it was sort of

2236
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of an open book for better

2237
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:37,160
Speaker 1: or worse. I made it probably gets me in more

2238
02:15:37,200 --> 02:15:39,720
Speaker 1: trouble than you know, I need it. But uh, you know,

2239
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:42,560
Speaker 1: someone released or just you know, sort of release the

2240
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:45,040
Speaker 1: pictures of me hunting in Africa with my brother back

2241
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:47,360
Speaker 1: in like early early two thousands, you know, two thousands,

2242
02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:50,640
Speaker 1: tennish or something like that. You know, I didn't. I

2243
02:15:50,640 --> 02:15:53,400
Speaker 1: didn't put them out myself, and you know, the left

2244
02:15:53,480 --> 02:15:55,880
Speaker 1: just pounced on it, and you know, the anti hunting

2245
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:58,600
Speaker 1: crowd just went nuts. Oh my god. I mean they

2246
02:15:58,640 --> 02:16:00,800
Speaker 1: literally wrote front page news for two weeks. You know,

2247
02:16:00,920 --> 02:16:03,960
Speaker 1: they were poached in Zimbi. I'm like, where in Matesta.

2248
02:16:03,960 --> 02:16:05,560
Speaker 1: You didn't want to hear a perfect like but they

2249
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:07,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to hear about permits. They didn't want to see,

2250
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, all the documentation from zimbabwe fishing game. They didn't.

2251
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:14,640
Speaker 1: You know, it was just he's evil. They were, you know,

2252
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:18,560
Speaker 1: hunting inside a fence. You know there's no fence. That

2253
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:21,200
Speaker 1: meant that it's literally millions of acres of open wild

2254
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:24,440
Speaker 1: African terrain. Obviously the meat is going to waste, and

2255
02:16:24,440 --> 02:16:27,040
Speaker 1: if anyone's been to Africa, you know that literally nothing

2256
02:16:27,120 --> 02:16:29,640
Speaker 1: goes to waste. Uh. And it was one of those

2257
02:16:29,720 --> 02:16:31,200
Speaker 1: I just saw it and I was like, man, these

2258
02:16:31,240 --> 02:16:34,280
Speaker 1: guys are they're trying to literally destroy his front page

2259
02:16:34,320 --> 02:16:37,080
Speaker 1: news for like two weeks, going after my brother and

2260
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:39,959
Speaker 1: I and I just said, hey, listen, there's two ways

2261
02:16:40,040 --> 02:16:42,600
Speaker 1: I can go. I can do the usual. You know,

2262
02:16:42,760 --> 02:16:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to consider myself a celebrity,

2263
02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:47,360
Speaker 1: but like you know, had a name that was recognizable

2264
02:16:47,400 --> 02:16:49,920
Speaker 1: and was able to be weaponized against me. I could

2265
02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:53,879
Speaker 1: do the usual I'm so sorry. I'll never do that again.

2266
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:57,400
Speaker 1: I'll quit hunting and take up you know, croquet, uh

2267
02:16:57,920 --> 02:17:00,280
Speaker 1: you know, or I can actually try to use lives

2268
02:17:00,400 --> 02:17:03,600
Speaker 1: that platform uh that you know, they have helped at

2269
02:17:03,640 --> 02:17:08,040
Speaker 1: that point you create to actually speak about conservation. Uh,

2270
02:17:08,120 --> 02:17:12,120
Speaker 1: the dollars that hunters put into uh, you know, saving

2271
02:17:12,120 --> 02:17:14,760
Speaker 1: animals around the world, but especially the North American model,

2272
02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:17,200
Speaker 1: and how it's been sort of imported and exported to

2273
02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:20,000
Speaker 1: other parts of the world where without hunting, you wouldn't

2274
02:17:20,040 --> 02:17:23,320
Speaker 1: have the fauna or the flora uh frankly, uh that

2275
02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:26,000
Speaker 1: you do in some of our incredible wild's places. So,

2276
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, rather than doing the you know, I'm so sorry,

2277
02:17:28,720 --> 02:17:31,920
Speaker 1: I just said, here's some facts. Here's the brutal, honest here,

2278
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:34,240
Speaker 1: here's what really happens. And and it was interesting. I mean,

2279
02:17:34,879 --> 02:17:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, I may have gotten a correction in about

2280
02:17:38,640 --> 02:17:40,960
Speaker 1: ten percent of the magazines, you know, somewhere in the

2281
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:43,440
Speaker 1: back page, or you know, a tweet at two am

2282
02:17:43,480 --> 02:17:45,440
Speaker 1: on a Sunday when no one's gonna see it, say,

2283
02:17:45,520 --> 02:17:47,840
Speaker 1: oh well, they weren't actually poaching, but it doesn't stop

2284
02:17:47,879 --> 02:17:50,160
Speaker 1: them from saying that we still were ten years later,

2285
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:51,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like even with proof, even

2286
02:17:52,120 --> 02:17:55,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But what was interesting about it is

2287
02:17:56,520 --> 02:17:59,280
Speaker 1: I was sort of unknown in the world, but I

2288
02:17:59,400 --> 02:18:01,560
Speaker 1: made so many any friends from sort of the hunting,

2289
02:18:01,680 --> 02:18:06,080
Speaker 1: outdoor even fishing community that we're like, hey, man, like,

2290
02:18:06,520 --> 02:18:09,039
Speaker 1: thank you for just standing up to the nonsense. Thanks

2291
02:18:09,080 --> 02:18:10,960
Speaker 1: for putting out the facts. Like, you know, it's definitely

2292
02:18:11,040 --> 02:18:13,760
Speaker 1: cost me money as a businessman, whether that's in you

2293
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:16,320
Speaker 1: know sort of you know, paid gigs that I did

2294
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:19,040
Speaker 1: and you know now, but like, honestly, you sort of

2295
02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:20,600
Speaker 1: have to stand up for what you believe in it,

2296
02:18:20,720 --> 02:18:23,440
Speaker 1: and there's not enough of that these days. Hunting is

2297
02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely a third rail. Uh you know,

2298
02:18:26,680 --> 02:18:28,400
Speaker 1: I think it's good that I see more of that

2299
02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:31,080
Speaker 1: from you know, from different communities now. I mean even

2300
02:18:31,360 --> 02:18:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, I talked I've seen and talked with like

2301
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, sort of hipster New York hunters that we

2302
02:18:35,520 --> 02:18:38,080
Speaker 1: probably don't share much in common other than you know,

2303
02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:41,480
Speaker 1: sort of the camp fire being the great equalizer, uh Like,

2304
02:18:41,600 --> 02:18:43,840
Speaker 1: and I love seeing that, you know, whether it farmed

2305
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:46,800
Speaker 1: a table, the organic movement, all of these things. I'm like, hey, guys,

2306
02:18:46,879 --> 02:18:49,080
Speaker 1: like you want to see that stuff in real life,

2307
02:18:49,160 --> 02:18:51,800
Speaker 1: like take up hunting, and so I think it's awesome

2308
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:53,440
Speaker 1: and I it's just been a it's been a great

2309
02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:55,640
Speaker 1: community and I'm just glad I did it despite sort

2310
02:18:55,680 --> 02:18:59,320
Speaker 1: of the you know again, there there are costs, but

2311
02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:03,640
Speaker 1: the costs don't outweigh uh to me, the risk of

2312
02:19:03,879 --> 02:19:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, losing this sort of great American tradition, Uh,

2313
02:19:08,680 --> 02:19:11,160
Speaker 1: this great pastime, these great opportunities that I want to

2314
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:13,199
Speaker 1: make sure are available for me and my kids because

2315
02:19:13,959 --> 02:19:17,840
Speaker 1: I know, with hunting, with fishing, with shooting, you know, archery,

2316
02:19:17,959 --> 02:19:19,879
Speaker 1: all of these things that I'm just so passionate about

2317
02:19:19,959 --> 02:19:22,360
Speaker 1: spear fishing. I mean, these are things that kept me

2318
02:19:22,440 --> 02:19:25,160
Speaker 1: out of so much other trouble I would have gotten

2319
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:27,520
Speaker 1: into as a youth with too much free time. Uh,

2320
02:19:27,680 --> 02:19:29,120
Speaker 1: it's sort of hard to get in trouble when you're

2321
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:30,600
Speaker 1: waking up at four o'clock in the morning. I'm not

2322
02:19:30,640 --> 02:19:33,240
Speaker 1: saying I was an angel, and anyone who knows me

2323
02:19:33,320 --> 02:19:36,720
Speaker 1: would would never buy that one, but like, uh, it

2324
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:39,600
Speaker 1: was definitely a guiding force in life and continues to be.

2325
02:19:39,640 --> 02:19:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of where I go to escape

2326
02:19:41,160 --> 02:19:44,320
Speaker 1: the other the craziness of my day to day. Early

2327
02:19:44,360 --> 02:19:46,560
Speaker 1: on with the new administration came in, I think there's

2328
02:19:46,560 --> 02:19:49,959
Speaker 1: a lot of enthusiasm. Um, I'm a part of many

2329
02:19:50,040 --> 02:19:53,640
Speaker 1: hunters and anglers that it was like people were great

2330
02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:59,840
Speaker 1: to have. We're glad to have lifelong practitioner such as yourself,

2331
02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:03,080
Speaker 1: like really close to the administration, right because you feel like, oh,

2332
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, our our viewpoints and perspectives we have are

2333
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna be voiced. Do you And I know you've taken

2334
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:12,720
Speaker 1: pains to make clear that you're not an administration official,

2335
02:20:13,320 --> 02:20:15,280
Speaker 1: but do you imagine like when you heard that you

2336
02:20:15,360 --> 02:20:17,200
Speaker 1: knew that was going on, did you feel that that

2337
02:20:17,400 --> 02:20:22,000
Speaker 1: was warranted? Was it kind of like a naive expectation

2338
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:24,840
Speaker 1: of what sort of what what what a first family

2339
02:20:24,920 --> 02:20:29,000
Speaker 1: members role actually is? You know? Beyond that, I mean again,

2340
02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:31,360
Speaker 1: I think you know, if we're gonna be you know,

2341
02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:34,000
Speaker 1: candid about it, it's sort of like whatever I do

2342
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:36,480
Speaker 1: is wrong in the eyes of the media. I mean,

2343
02:20:36,760 --> 02:20:39,680
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm not loud enough, that's wrong. If

2344
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:41,720
Speaker 1: I'm too loud, it's wrong. If I'm taking part of

2345
02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:43,920
Speaker 1: the administration I'll get killed on the press every day

2346
02:20:43,959 --> 02:20:46,040
Speaker 1: that said. I mean, the only thing I wanted to

2347
02:20:46,480 --> 02:20:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, take part in, uh during the transition politically

2348
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:52,560
Speaker 1: was the Department of the Interior, And you know I

2349
02:20:53,160 --> 02:20:56,200
Speaker 1: did that, uh and was involved. And honestly, they've done

2350
02:20:56,240 --> 02:20:57,920
Speaker 1: a lot of things that you know, you're not gonna

2351
02:20:57,959 --> 02:21:00,240
Speaker 1: get a lot of credit, uh, just because it's the

2352
02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:02,360
Speaker 1: Trump administration. But when you talk about you know, public

2353
02:21:02,480 --> 02:21:05,600
Speaker 1: lands obviously being to me like a number one issue

2354
02:21:06,480 --> 02:21:09,360
Speaker 1: because you know, I understand how difficult it is to

2355
02:21:09,480 --> 02:21:11,240
Speaker 1: have access and I'm blessed to have you know, some

2356
02:21:11,400 --> 02:21:13,600
Speaker 1: of my own private land and friends with ranches and

2357
02:21:13,640 --> 02:21:15,360
Speaker 1: these sort of things. But for people you know who

2358
02:21:15,400 --> 02:21:16,600
Speaker 1: want to get their kids and do it. You know,

2359
02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:17,680
Speaker 1: if you used to be able to go out in

2360
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:20,280
Speaker 1: your backyard and now you've got to drive four hours,

2361
02:21:20,320 --> 02:21:23,360
Speaker 1: guess what you're taking up golf and the tradition is gone. So,

2362
02:21:23,800 --> 02:21:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, advocating for you know, public lands, which hasn't

2363
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:30,039
Speaker 1: necessarily been a conservative talking point, but like this administration,

2364
02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:33,560
Speaker 1: by September one will have opened up four million new

2365
02:21:33,640 --> 02:21:36,440
Speaker 1: acres of public land. I think that's the most probably

2366
02:21:36,480 --> 02:21:39,800
Speaker 1: of any administration since Roosevelt. Uh, you know, they've created

2367
02:21:39,879 --> 02:21:41,880
Speaker 1: that kind of access. They've put in more for like

2368
02:21:42,040 --> 02:21:45,160
Speaker 1: repair and maintenance to the national parks, which again less

2369
02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:47,080
Speaker 1: to do with hunting and fishing, but uh, you know,

2370
02:21:47,440 --> 02:21:49,720
Speaker 1: is a big part of it. I believe it numbers like,

2371
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, sixties six percent more than Obama and Biden

2372
02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:55,280
Speaker 1: did in the same amount of time. So you sort

2373
02:21:55,320 --> 02:21:57,640
Speaker 1: of have these talking points that are out there in

2374
02:21:57,720 --> 02:21:59,640
Speaker 1: the sort of the outdoor community. I don't want to

2375
02:21:59,640 --> 02:22:02,520
Speaker 1: say hunting or fishing, but you know, they're selling off

2376
02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:06,560
Speaker 1: public lands there. Like it's just not accurate, but it

2377
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:09,320
Speaker 1: doesn't stop sort of some of these well funded you know,

2378
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:12,280
Speaker 1: where the political you know could try to sway an

2379
02:22:12,320 --> 02:22:14,160
Speaker 1: outdoor group, and there's a lot of that sort of

2380
02:22:14,520 --> 02:22:17,760
Speaker 1: even in hunting, where it's sort of you know, groups

2381
02:22:17,800 --> 02:22:21,480
Speaker 1: in name only but really pushing a political agenda that's

2382
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:24,000
Speaker 1: not necessarily for the benefit of hunters and outdoorsman. I mean,

2383
02:22:24,480 --> 02:22:26,520
Speaker 1: you hear about, you know, coastal erosion, but you don't

2384
02:22:26,560 --> 02:22:29,840
Speaker 1: hear about like the literally the largest investment uh into

2385
02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:33,480
Speaker 1: the Evergladesh and like Okchobe by the Trump administration. You know,

2386
02:22:33,560 --> 02:22:36,560
Speaker 1: I think it's like seven x what the prior administration

2387
02:22:36,680 --> 02:22:38,680
Speaker 1: even looked at in there same thing with the Great Lakes.

2388
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:41,520
Speaker 1: So you know, the administration is doing a lot of

2389
02:22:41,560 --> 02:22:44,240
Speaker 1: things to ensure that these things will do that again.

2390
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:47,040
Speaker 1: Now that I'm not part of the administration. Once you

2391
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:50,080
Speaker 1: got out of transition, you know, hey, you know I

2392
02:22:50,400 --> 02:22:53,360
Speaker 1: can't get involved without sort of creating a catch twenty

2393
02:22:53,400 --> 02:22:55,640
Speaker 1: two where someone loses their mind that I'm saying something.

2394
02:22:55,720 --> 02:22:57,840
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean, you know that I don't voice

2395
02:22:57,879 --> 02:22:59,560
Speaker 1: my opinion when you know, if we're at a family

2396
02:22:59,640 --> 02:23:02,760
Speaker 1: dinner with various things that are going on that are

2397
02:23:02,840 --> 02:23:06,000
Speaker 1: important to me that I do understand better than most

2398
02:23:06,800 --> 02:23:10,400
Speaker 1: where I do have uh people and friends on the ground,

2399
02:23:10,440 --> 02:23:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean I sort of say, you know, for me,

2400
02:23:12,520 --> 02:23:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, when I have a friend in Montana, it's

2401
02:23:15,400 --> 02:23:17,600
Speaker 1: not a token buddy that shows up that day that

2402
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:19,520
Speaker 1: I've never seen before in my life for the photo

2403
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:21,280
Speaker 1: of It's like these are guys I hunt and fish with,

2404
02:23:21,480 --> 02:23:24,039
Speaker 1: and uh, you know do these things with. So I think,

2405
02:23:24,920 --> 02:23:27,160
Speaker 1: unlike so many of the decisions they get made as

2406
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:29,600
Speaker 1: it relates to you know, the Department of the Interior

2407
02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:31,920
Speaker 1: or the outdoors, where it's decided by you know, an

2408
02:23:31,959 --> 02:23:34,600
Speaker 1: emotional judge in d C that has no understanding of

2409
02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:37,400
Speaker 1: what's going on on the ground. Uh, no attachment to

2410
02:23:37,480 --> 02:23:41,879
Speaker 1: the local community, no understanding of conservation period whatsoever. Uh.

2411
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:44,080
Speaker 1: You know, I I think I do have a pretty

2412
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:46,280
Speaker 1: good understanding of what's going on on the ground because

2413
02:23:46,480 --> 02:23:49,000
Speaker 1: that's sort of where I choose to spend my time,

2414
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, for me, hunting fishes, shooting. It's not like

2415
02:23:51,640 --> 02:23:54,199
Speaker 1: the thing I then talk about at some cocktail party

2416
02:23:54,600 --> 02:23:57,480
Speaker 1: on the you know, bullshit like New York City rubber

2417
02:23:57,560 --> 02:24:01,440
Speaker 1: chicken dinner charity circuit. It's actually what I do every weekend,

2418
02:24:01,640 --> 02:24:04,640
Speaker 1: whenever I have free time, I'm outdoors doing something. Uh.

2419
02:24:04,959 --> 02:24:07,480
Speaker 1: For me, it's actually my lifestyle, uh, you know, much

2420
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:09,400
Speaker 1: more so than sort of the suit and tie of

2421
02:24:09,480 --> 02:24:11,560
Speaker 1: the day to day, whether it's business or politics. You know,

2422
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:14,960
Speaker 1: that's what I want to be doing. I saw you

2423
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:18,280
Speaker 1: and your father speak at shot Show, which would have

2424
02:24:18,360 --> 02:24:20,400
Speaker 1: been still the primaries were still going on, and I

2425
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:23,279
Speaker 1: remember he got up and addressed the audience at an

2426
02:24:23,320 --> 02:24:26,960
Speaker 1: awards dinner I was at. I've ever been really surprised

2427
02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:30,840
Speaker 1: because the public lands debate was really heating up, but

2428
02:24:30,920 --> 02:24:33,040
Speaker 1: it was it was it was still gaining a lot

2429
02:24:33,080 --> 02:24:36,840
Speaker 1: of awareness. I remember be really surprised that on his

2430
02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:41,119
Speaker 1: list of talking points was his acknowledgement of the public

2431
02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:43,040
Speaker 1: lands debate and him saying like, I'm not going to

2432
02:24:43,160 --> 02:24:46,040
Speaker 1: sell off your public lands. And I thought it was

2433
02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:50,240
Speaker 1: interesting that he that, assuming I'm assuming that was something

2434
02:24:50,320 --> 02:24:52,040
Speaker 1: that you had spoken about. I was just surprised that

2435
02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:54,160
Speaker 1: it was even on his radar. And then I think

2436
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:59,760
Speaker 1: that that's been an interesting point with the administration because, uh,

2437
02:25:00,040 --> 02:25:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people that would criticize

2438
02:25:02,760 --> 02:25:06,160
Speaker 1: that the amount of fossil fuel exploration has been opened

2439
02:25:06,240 --> 02:25:08,480
Speaker 1: up on public lands. They'd be like, um, that they

2440
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:11,360
Speaker 1: feel that that's a move against public lands, but really

2441
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:15,560
Speaker 1: there's been people have stayed true to the administration's trade,

2442
02:25:15,640 --> 02:25:20,600
Speaker 1: stayed true to not reducing, not selling off and getting

2443
02:25:20,760 --> 02:25:25,120
Speaker 1: rid of public lands, which uh was actually against sort

2444
02:25:25,160 --> 02:25:28,000
Speaker 1: of the party's platform at the time. Um, And I

2445
02:25:28,040 --> 02:25:30,400
Speaker 1: remember that I remember thinking of that as a pretty

2446
02:25:30,480 --> 02:25:35,400
Speaker 1: bold move to go in the direction of hunters and

2447
02:25:35,520 --> 02:25:39,920
Speaker 1: anglers when it might be against party platform procedures. Do

2448
02:25:40,000 --> 02:25:44,200
Speaker 1: you feel that there are more places and ways that

2449
02:25:44,520 --> 02:25:47,360
Speaker 1: that has happened where you know, where there's a leaning

2450
02:25:47,480 --> 02:25:50,400
Speaker 1: end to hunters and anglers, maybe in a way that's

2451
02:25:50,440 --> 02:25:53,880
Speaker 1: adversarial to industry, in a way that's adversarial to the

2452
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:56,560
Speaker 1: party in general, you know, I I think so, I

2453
02:25:56,600 --> 02:25:59,520
Speaker 1: mean that the conventional dogma was, you know, obviously states rights,

2454
02:25:59,560 --> 02:26:02,880
Speaker 1: which I will believe in. But the problem with the

2455
02:26:02,920 --> 02:26:05,480
Speaker 1: sort of the public lands and states rights issue was,

2456
02:26:05,800 --> 02:26:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, you sort of give the states back the

2457
02:26:07,360 --> 02:26:09,680
Speaker 1: public lands, but then they use that land to sell

2458
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:12,560
Speaker 1: it off to fund you know, a budget shortfall in

2459
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:15,600
Speaker 1: an inner city that's never going to make budget, you know,

2460
02:26:15,680 --> 02:26:18,560
Speaker 1: so it's a one time, temporary fix. But those lands

2461
02:26:18,600 --> 02:26:20,640
Speaker 1: are gone forever. So I sort of, you know, I

2462
02:26:20,959 --> 02:26:23,440
Speaker 1: made the point very clear. But at the same time,

2463
02:26:23,480 --> 02:26:26,240
Speaker 1: I also said, but as I mentioned in the prior point,

2464
02:26:26,360 --> 02:26:31,400
Speaker 1: was like, you still need state and local people involved

2465
02:26:31,480 --> 02:26:34,840
Speaker 1: in the management of those lands. Right, these guys understand

2466
02:26:34,920 --> 02:26:36,440
Speaker 1: what's going on. You look at what's going on in

2467
02:26:36,520 --> 02:26:40,000
Speaker 1: the West or California, you know, with forest fires, because

2468
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:43,160
Speaker 1: there's the preservationist mentality of well, it's lands, but you

2469
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:45,200
Speaker 1: can't touch it. You can't do anything with it, God

2470
02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:48,840
Speaker 1: forbid you even walking it. You know, overgrown dead timber

2471
02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:51,960
Speaker 1: is probably the worst habitat for animals, for plans for

2472
02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:54,200
Speaker 1: anything right, no sun gets to the ground. And it's

2473
02:26:54,240 --> 02:26:58,520
Speaker 1: also a tinder box. It's literally just big, big, sap

2474
02:26:58,640 --> 02:27:02,920
Speaker 1: filled matches waiting for lightning, waiting for in some cases

2475
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:06,960
Speaker 1: unfortunately bad actors, waiting for you know, irresponsible camper that

2476
02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:08,640
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to put out their fire or doesn't

2477
02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:11,480
Speaker 1: do a good job doing those things. And every year

2478
02:27:11,560 --> 02:27:16,080
Speaker 1: then billions in destruction, lives are lost, homes are lost.

2479
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:18,560
Speaker 1: But then you know, the same states that want control

2480
02:27:18,600 --> 02:27:20,320
Speaker 1: of those lands want the federal government to come in

2481
02:27:20,360 --> 02:27:22,400
Speaker 1: and say, well, give us billions to stop this thing,

2482
02:27:22,440 --> 02:27:25,840
Speaker 1: when you could have employed a bunch of people to

2483
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, cut down some of that standing dead timber.

2484
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:33,039
Speaker 1: There's economic value. You create jobs in places that actually needed.

2485
02:27:33,320 --> 02:27:37,520
Speaker 1: You're creating new growth forest, which is a big deal. So,

2486
02:27:37,600 --> 02:27:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean there is an aspect of you know, whether

2487
02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:41,840
Speaker 1: it's even oil and gas. You know, it's not like

2488
02:27:41,879 --> 02:27:44,440
Speaker 1: there's an oil and gas plant from every ten yards. Uh.

2489
02:27:44,600 --> 02:27:46,280
Speaker 1: You know, if you say, well, we're gonna shut down

2490
02:27:46,320 --> 02:27:49,800
Speaker 1: the entire Midwest because you know of the stage ground,

2491
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:53,160
Speaker 1: but you can't have a road to a platform that's

2492
02:27:53,200 --> 02:27:56,520
Speaker 1: thirty by thirty. It's not realistic and it's not responsible,

2493
02:27:56,600 --> 02:27:58,800
Speaker 1: and we're still getting those you know that oil and

2494
02:27:58,879 --> 02:28:01,400
Speaker 1: gas from Russia or from Saudi who's gonna be much

2495
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:04,640
Speaker 1: more relaxed in terms of their environmental standards. You're getting

2496
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:06,600
Speaker 1: these things out of the ground. So you know, there's

2497
02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:11,480
Speaker 1: a way to have responsible stewardship over the land. I mean,

2498
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:14,320
Speaker 1: in many cases you can actually create an economic output

2499
02:28:14,600 --> 02:28:19,080
Speaker 1: and economic benefit and still actually be better off four game.

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02:28:19,680 --> 02:28:23,039
Speaker 1: Uh you know again, cutting standing dead timber all over

2501
02:28:23,120 --> 02:28:25,920
Speaker 1: the West is the perfect example of that. And it's

2502
02:28:25,959 --> 02:28:29,240
Speaker 1: certainly a better option to create some jobs, to create

2503
02:28:29,320 --> 02:28:32,520
Speaker 1: some economic output than it is to spend billions, uh,

2504
02:28:32,760 --> 02:28:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, fighting fires and losing lives uh needlessly, And

2505
02:28:36,920 --> 02:28:39,440
Speaker 1: so you know there's a responsible way to do it.

2506
02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:40,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that it has to be done in

2507
02:28:40,840 --> 02:28:43,280
Speaker 1: a haphazard fashion, but you know, it's one of those

2508
02:28:43,400 --> 02:28:45,119
Speaker 1: rare instances where you can kind of get the best

2509
02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:48,920
Speaker 1: of both worlds if you do it right. What happens when, uh,

2510
02:28:49,680 --> 02:28:51,880
Speaker 1: when you and your dad don't agree on stuff. I mean,

2511
02:28:51,959 --> 02:28:56,400
Speaker 1: you're obviously very loyal, um, but it's limits, right, and

2512
02:28:56,440 --> 02:28:59,080
Speaker 1: I imagine you don't want to throw down publicly, but

2513
02:28:59,200 --> 02:29:02,200
Speaker 1: do you guys, uh? You guys butt heads on stuff

2514
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:06,320
Speaker 1: for you know, now and then you've got to be disappointed, right. Uh, listen,

2515
02:29:06,480 --> 02:29:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that you know, disappointed. There's

2516
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:10,720
Speaker 1: definitely I don't know that anyone. You know, this sort

2517
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:13,320
Speaker 1: of notion of sort of you know, bipartisan politics where

2518
02:29:13,360 --> 02:29:16,080
Speaker 1: everyone agrees with one aspect of something. You're seeing that's

2519
02:29:16,120 --> 02:29:17,960
Speaker 1: becoming more and more of the case. Unfortunately, you know,

2520
02:29:18,400 --> 02:29:20,640
Speaker 1: today the culture is such that you know, if you're

2521
02:29:20,680 --> 02:29:24,840
Speaker 1: not woke, you're canceled. I mean, you're gonna get canceled

2522
02:29:25,000 --> 02:29:27,600
Speaker 1: by some people for even you know, giving me a platform.

2523
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:30,000
Speaker 1: That's sort of how it works these days. So you know,

2524
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:32,560
Speaker 1: I'll give you the disclaimer you had nothing to do

2525
02:29:32,600 --> 02:29:36,200
Speaker 1: with it, YadA, YadA, YadA. But yeah, uh that's a shame.

2526
02:29:36,320 --> 02:29:37,960
Speaker 1: So you know, we do. Just listen, I don't I

2527
02:29:37,959 --> 02:29:41,600
Speaker 1: don't think you could have my personality or my father's personality,

2528
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:44,439
Speaker 1: uh and not be outspoken. I can do that respectfully.

2529
02:29:44,480 --> 02:29:47,760
Speaker 1: If there's you know, bigger issues we disagree on. Generally speaking,

2530
02:29:47,959 --> 02:29:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, I agree with a lot of uh you know,

2531
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:54,800
Speaker 1: his his policies, and again as it relates to these things, man,

2532
02:29:54,879 --> 02:29:57,080
Speaker 1: I think they're doing a very good job of it.

2533
02:29:57,160 --> 02:29:58,640
Speaker 1: You wouldn't know it from what you see about it,

2534
02:29:58,640 --> 02:30:00,160
Speaker 1: because you don't read about I mean, think abou it

2535
02:30:00,480 --> 02:30:06,520
Speaker 1: steve four million plus new acres previously inaccessible for sportsmen

2536
02:30:06,560 --> 02:30:10,360
Speaker 1: and women. I mean, you don't hear that even a

2537
02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:12,840
Speaker 1: little bit. But you you hear every day about, you know,

2538
02:30:12,879 --> 02:30:15,160
Speaker 1: selling off public lands. And by the way, that when

2539
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:17,480
Speaker 1: they talk about that, you know there's people that would

2540
02:30:17,480 --> 02:30:20,000
Speaker 1: complain about selling off public lands. If you sold one

2541
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:23,840
Speaker 1: acre of public land here or traded it for an

2542
02:30:23,879 --> 02:30:27,080
Speaker 1: acre over here that allows people to access you know,

2543
02:30:27,320 --> 02:30:30,560
Speaker 1: ten thousand acres of landlocked public land. Because there's plenty

2544
02:30:30,600 --> 02:30:33,320
Speaker 1: of those people too. There are public land hunters, but

2545
02:30:33,640 --> 02:30:36,040
Speaker 1: guess what, well, they're public land hunters because they're hunting

2546
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:39,360
Speaker 1: landlock you know, public land, but they know the guy

2547
02:30:39,440 --> 02:30:41,960
Speaker 1: that owns the private land surrounding. It's so you know,

2548
02:30:42,800 --> 02:30:44,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bs involved in some of these things.

2549
02:30:44,760 --> 02:30:48,240
Speaker 1: And so you sell off a corner to create access

2550
02:30:48,320 --> 02:30:51,480
Speaker 1: to ten thousand acres where literally no one really from

2551
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:54,600
Speaker 1: the public would have access. Oh my god, you sold

2552
02:30:54,680 --> 02:30:57,920
Speaker 1: off public land. It's like no, no, no, you created access,

2553
02:30:58,080 --> 02:30:59,640
Speaker 1: even if it's a fair trade, even if you say, hey,

2554
02:30:59,640 --> 02:31:01,200
Speaker 1: I'll give you an acre for an acre, or I'll

2555
02:31:01,240 --> 02:31:05,280
Speaker 1: give you, you know, an acre for for two acres,

2556
02:31:05,800 --> 02:31:07,800
Speaker 1: even if you made it sort of a net gain

2557
02:31:07,959 --> 02:31:11,360
Speaker 1: in terms of public land. Someone's outraged and they're pushing

2558
02:31:11,400 --> 02:31:14,120
Speaker 1: a false narrative that's not really there. And I've seen that,

2559
02:31:14,240 --> 02:31:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, buddies places that I hunt in Montana. Uh. Yeah, man,

2560
02:31:17,800 --> 02:31:19,959
Speaker 1: the the amount of stuff I see like that. That's like, well,

2561
02:31:20,040 --> 02:31:22,560
Speaker 1: it's not really public land and you're the only one

2562
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:23,760
Speaker 1: that has access to it, you know what I mean?

2563
02:31:23,840 --> 02:31:27,080
Speaker 1: Like that, that's not uh, that's not the public land

2564
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:29,280
Speaker 1: that I'm pushing for. I'm pushing for public land that's

2565
02:31:29,320 --> 02:31:31,800
Speaker 1: accessible by all, that we can get our kids into

2566
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:34,199
Speaker 1: the outdoors, that we can get our wives and girlfriends

2567
02:31:34,240 --> 02:31:36,119
Speaker 1: into the outdoors, that we can teach them about those

2568
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:40,440
Speaker 1: experience and create new hunters, new fishermen, new outdoorsmen. In general,

2569
02:31:41,320 --> 02:31:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm generally, uh, just speaking personally, I'm generally very appreciative

2570
02:31:46,600 --> 02:31:50,680
Speaker 1: of the environmental the speaking as a hunter and angler,

2571
02:31:50,760 --> 02:31:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm appreciative of the environmental protections that we get from Democrats,

2572
02:31:57,480 --> 02:32:03,160
Speaker 1: and I'm appreciative of the cultural and hunting rights and

2573
02:32:03,240 --> 02:32:06,920
Speaker 1: gun rights protections that we get from the Republicans. So

2574
02:32:07,560 --> 02:32:10,640
Speaker 1: as a closing thought, here, hit me with a pitch,

2575
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:15,960
Speaker 1: like hit me with a pitch for real. Trump's reelection

2576
02:32:17,320 --> 02:32:20,400
Speaker 1: skewed towards like skewed toward a hunter and angler. Well,

2577
02:32:20,680 --> 02:32:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a hunter, obviously, if you like firearms,

2578
02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:24,920
Speaker 1: you see what's going on. I mean, I don't know

2579
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:26,920
Speaker 1: how you know Joe Biden can pretend to be a

2580
02:32:27,000 --> 02:32:29,920
Speaker 1: moderate on firearms, but say, hey, I'm gonna appoint bet

2581
02:32:30,040 --> 02:32:31,760
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, I'm going to take your a R

2582
02:32:31,840 --> 02:32:35,320
Speaker 1: fifteen O'Rourke as your guns are. You saw him sort of,

2583
02:32:35,400 --> 02:32:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, verbally assault a guy I guess I was

2584
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:40,440
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin a few weeks ago who literally asked him

2585
02:32:40,440 --> 02:32:43,280
Speaker 1: a couple of questions about the platform. There's no education

2586
02:32:43,360 --> 02:32:44,880
Speaker 1: on the platform. And again, if you see what he

2587
02:32:44,959 --> 02:32:47,720
Speaker 1: put out was sort of the the Biden Sanders plan

2588
02:32:48,280 --> 02:32:51,520
Speaker 1: you know this week it is a super left uh

2589
02:32:51,640 --> 02:32:54,800
Speaker 1: you'll plan as as it relates to virtually anything. But

2590
02:32:55,080 --> 02:32:57,040
Speaker 1: that's certainly going to be an infringement on our Second

2591
02:32:57,040 --> 02:32:58,640
Speaker 1: Amendment rights, which is a big part of when I

2592
02:32:58,720 --> 02:33:00,440
Speaker 1: talk about the outdoors. I grew that in there. I

2593
02:33:00,520 --> 02:33:02,880
Speaker 1: mean I'm a I'm a competitive shooter. I was you

2594
02:33:02,920 --> 02:33:04,760
Speaker 1: know ranked, you know, high power shooter, did a lot

2595
02:33:04,800 --> 02:33:07,040
Speaker 1: in f class love you know, sort of the PRS

2596
02:33:07,080 --> 02:33:09,200
Speaker 1: stuff that's going on, do handgun, shotgun I I sort

2597
02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:12,280
Speaker 1: of do it all, um. And so you know, this,

2598
02:33:12,440 --> 02:33:15,080
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment arguments is a really big one for me.

2599
02:33:15,400 --> 02:33:17,520
Speaker 1: I think as it relates to you know, public land

2600
02:33:17,560 --> 02:33:20,480
Speaker 1: for hunters, there has not been an administration that's created

2601
02:33:20,560 --> 02:33:26,480
Speaker 1: more access uh for for outdoorsman. Uh, that's gonna continue. Um,

2602
02:33:26,879 --> 02:33:29,360
Speaker 1: that is something that's been a big part of that administration.

2603
02:33:29,400 --> 02:33:30,800
Speaker 1: They get no credit for it, but they've done it.

2604
02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:32,760
Speaker 1: And if you want to talk about preserving the tradition

2605
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:35,520
Speaker 1: of the great outdoors, you're not gonna do it without access.

2606
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:39,160
Speaker 1: And again, this is multiples of what I don't even

2607
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:42,560
Speaker 1: know of. Obama and Biden opened any new land. They

2608
02:33:42,600 --> 02:33:44,640
Speaker 1: may have maintained what was existing there, but this is

2609
02:33:44,680 --> 02:33:48,640
Speaker 1: the largest since Roosevelt in you know, a century in

2610
02:33:48,840 --> 02:33:50,960
Speaker 1: terms of new access. And when you think about that

2611
02:33:51,040 --> 02:33:53,800
Speaker 1: in perspective and over time, I mean, that's a lot

2612
02:33:53,840 --> 02:33:55,080
Speaker 1: harder to do now that it would have been a

2613
02:33:55,160 --> 02:33:57,480
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, just because of the nature of the world.

2614
02:33:57,560 --> 02:33:59,959
Speaker 1: In which we live. Uh you think about the thing

2615
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:03,160
Speaker 1: things that they've done again ever glides for coastal erosion, Uh,

2616
02:34:03,480 --> 02:34:05,200
Speaker 1: great lakes for all the great sport. I mean I

2617
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:07,120
Speaker 1: go up there every year to to go ice fishing,

2618
02:34:07,160 --> 02:34:09,080
Speaker 1: just because you know, it's pretty awlesome to catch at

2619
02:34:09,080 --> 02:34:12,119
Speaker 1: twenty prown brown teat. You know, I'll travel to Wisconsin

2620
02:34:12,200 --> 02:34:13,960
Speaker 1: for a weekend to do that as a sportsman. But

2621
02:34:14,200 --> 02:34:16,480
Speaker 1: you've got to make sure you preserve those fisheries as well.

2622
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:20,040
Speaker 1: So you know the reality of what this administration has

2623
02:34:20,080 --> 02:34:24,240
Speaker 1: done for the outdoorsman. Uh, it's often overlooked, but it

2624
02:34:24,280 --> 02:34:29,240
Speaker 1: shouldn't be. All right, Donald Trump Junior, thanks for joining us.

2625
02:34:29,480 --> 02:34:32,320
Speaker 1: I look forward to having you when all this chaos

2626
02:34:32,480 --> 02:34:36,200
Speaker 1: blows over. Man with the pandemic that seems to have

2627
02:34:36,320 --> 02:34:40,160
Speaker 1: a way of continuing. Ah yeah, to having you in

2628
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:43,760
Speaker 1: and for for an actual uh face face conversation. But

2629
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:46,080
Speaker 1: it's cool to to get a chance to to hear

2630
02:34:46,120 --> 02:34:48,480
Speaker 1: from you a little bit. Um. Well, yeah, I know,

2631
02:34:48,600 --> 02:34:50,280
Speaker 1: we were scheduled last week and then I got the

2632
02:34:50,320 --> 02:34:52,360
Speaker 1: call from your guys. That's someone close to you guys

2633
02:34:52,440 --> 02:34:54,960
Speaker 1: tested positive. And then it turns out the next so

2634
02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:56,440
Speaker 1: we put it off for a week and then it

2635
02:34:56,520 --> 02:34:59,280
Speaker 1: turns out the next day my girlfriend and tested positive.

2636
02:34:59,560 --> 02:35:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's the super rugged outdoors been gene

2637
02:35:01,879 --> 02:35:04,800
Speaker 1: that's preventing me from getting it. Uh but uh, you

2638
02:35:04,879 --> 02:35:07,800
Speaker 1: know so, Yeah, it's been a mess, but I'm sure

2639
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:09,280
Speaker 1: I'll be back out there. We'd love to sit down

2640
02:35:09,320 --> 02:35:11,520
Speaker 1: with you guys, and uh maybe more importantly one day

2641
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:13,880
Speaker 1: share a camp fire. Yeah. Well, we'll get through this

2642
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:16,600
Speaker 1: and get a scheduled. And I appreciate you taking the

2643
02:35:16,680 --> 02:35:21,240
Speaker 1: time to to talk and have a nice civil discourse. Right.

2644
02:35:21,800 --> 02:35:23,760
Speaker 1: Sounds good man. We need more of that. Thank you.