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Speaker 1: This is live coverle each of that twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine.

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Speaker 2: On Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: And we are delighted to be joined as we welcome

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Speaker 3: you back to Indianapolis by Brian McFadden, former Steelers CBS

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Speaker 3: Network as well. Brian, Thanks very much. How's your experience

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Speaker 3: been thus far at the Combine?

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Speaker 4: Man, It's been great?

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Speaker 2: You know, quick disclosure about disclaimer about me and the Combine.

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Speaker 4: This is my first time being here since.

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Speaker 2: I was a prospect, uh huh, because usually I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of wrooking from home with CBS during this week and

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Speaker 2: you know, being back here around this atmosphere and kind

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Speaker 2: of bringing back, you know, some nice memories.

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Speaker 3: What was it like for you? What is a combine

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Speaker 3: experience like for a player?

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Speaker 2: Ah, it's a lot to process, first and foremost, you're

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Speaker 2: overly thankful to be here because of course, you know,

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Speaker 2: invite only, but there's a lot you have to intake,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, in terms of the meetings

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Speaker 2: and the interview process, the questions that you're being asked,

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Speaker 2: making sure you give your best every opportunity you have.

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Speaker 2: In terms of you know, talking to whoever it is

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Speaker 2: side of things, with the drills and things that you

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Speaker 2: have been preparing for for months for this moment. But

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Speaker 2: it's a I don't want to say it's a fatiguing process,

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Speaker 2: but it is a long process, as it is for

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Speaker 2: us in the media. Think about how you feel now

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Speaker 2: compared to when you first got hit Monday.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: You're a little tired, yes, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, and we're not going through the same thing these

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Speaker 2: prospects are going through. So it is a lot, but

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Speaker 2: it's all worth it, all worth it.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and five was your rookie year, correct, So

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty was your rookie year.

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Speaker 3: What was that grind like?

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Speaker 1: Because you mentioned the entire you know, you finish your

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Speaker 1: senior balls?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 1: Then the combine pro days, you get drafted, you're in

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Speaker 1: a new city, rookie MINTI camp, mini camp, training camp,

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Speaker 1: it never stops, and you go all the way and

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Speaker 3: Did you hit that proverbial wall at any point that's.

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Speaker 4: Saying I did.

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Speaker 2: And to your point, I had a long season, played

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Speaker 2: and then instantly you got I got a few days off,

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Speaker 2: you know, trying to get my body as healthy as

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Speaker 2: possible to be able to go to Mobile, to be

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Speaker 2: able to perform. And then you do Mobile, which is

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Speaker 2: kind of a small mini combine because of the meetings

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Speaker 2: and the interview process that you embark in on along

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Speaker 2: and then once the draft hits, you often running OTA's

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Speaker 2: And I can tell you this much. When I got

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Speaker 4: The super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: When the Super Bowl, I literally thought that was the

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Speaker 3: Idea Florida state.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And also too because it happened my rookie year.

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Speaker 3: So I'd like to ask you about this process for

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Speaker 3: who's this Brian McFadden guy. You know they've been scouting

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Speaker 3: you since you're really since your freshman year, right, They've

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Speaker 3: He looked up Bill Kerr was gone and he was

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Speaker 2: My interaction with the Steelers, I didn't have any interaction

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Speaker 2: But then when I came to end, I had a

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Speaker 2: and Joe Green like, oh freak, this is Joe Green. Wow,

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, why is he you know, you know

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Speaker 2: then after that it was like mute, nothing from Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a phone call, I didn't have a

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Speaker 4: The team that usually drafts you.

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Speaker 2: If you listen to so many guys, like you said,

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Speaker 2: Max performance. But guess what, Pittsburgh drafts him. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that was like a Pittsburgh thing show

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Speaker 2: you we're not really interested, but we are, right, yeah, interesting.

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Speaker 3: I think we'd be remiss.

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Speaker 1: We of course, you were pretty fortunate won two Super

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin. Just your thoughts, nineteen years end of an

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Speaker 1: Everything eventually comes to an end, right, But nineteen years

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Speaker 1: and I just feel like everybody who played for Mike

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point, it felt like he would continue.

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Speaker 2: It felt like for sure at least get a twentieth season.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's surprised everyone when that news broke, it

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Speaker 2: the first start for most of us, Like what I.

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Speaker 1: Had to check the accounts on Twitter like seven times

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Speaker 4: Are you serious?

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Speaker 2: And now, granted the season didn't end like we all

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Speaker 2: You want a division playoff game, whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 2: But yes, it's a real moment. And I asked Omar,

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean. He's like, it's different.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen years of doing the same thing, you know, building

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Speaker 2: with him, you know, being involved to some degree, you

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Speaker 4: So it's different. It's gonna take some time to get

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Speaker 2: I think every day you're kind of getting closer to

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Speaker 2: understanding this is the new norm. But to your point, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, nah, not yet. He's not walking away yet.

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Speaker 2: But he had to do what was best for him,

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Speaker 2: and he checked off the boxes, won a championship, you know,

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Speaker 3: You know, there are trends that happened in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: But one of the things that Mike Tomlin said a

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Speaker 3: So he said that more than at any time in

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Speaker 3: And his explanation for that was that kids are and

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Speaker 3: It just takes it's way too involved. But he said,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that is easier, but I think they're

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Speaker 2: more ecuoped to handle that type of work load because

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Speaker 2: You know, up tempo, you're seeing more the passes than run,

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Speaker 4: Consistent in tackling exactly, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So the pro is they kind of they're ready for

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Speaker 3: Tackling, you know. I just I wanted to follow up

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Speaker 3: They didn't want to hit him after a while. You know,

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Speaker 4: That's the case. But for me, I go back to

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Speaker 2: That was the person that you like, Oh, I don't

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Speaker 2: will you tackle? Will you thud?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: What aboutball?

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Speaker 4: Get that?

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Speaker 2: We know about covering, But for us here is about tackling.

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Speaker 2: Because when you're a great tackling defense, you will win

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Speaker 2: We talked about how violent there was, but they rarely

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Speaker 4: Look at the secondary.

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Speaker 2: Talk about guys that played like they were mad, like

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Speaker 2: They flew around. When you watched Seattle play, it felt

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Speaker 2: They swarm the DB's played like big guys. Devon Witherspoon,

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Speaker 3: Those guys like.

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Speaker 2: You saw them in person Wildcard game, Like, so that's

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Speaker 2: the thing. When you tackle and you play with that

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Speaker 4: Played against Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because think about what you thought of when we

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's right. Can we win this game three to two?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Because we knew their defense is gonna be stout and

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Speaker 2: how we played. We want to impose our will on

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Speaker 2: the defensive side. And I know I might be smaller

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Speaker 2: anyway for four quarters because when I do that, I

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Speaker 2: know the cavalry is coming. That's how you earn respect. Like, yo, man,

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Speaker 2: I got a little man just running in this big man.

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Speaker 2: We know you're not supposed to win that battle, but

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Speaker 2: their defense is what embody, their physical violent nature that

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Speaker 3: He's a hard runner. That guy's a hard runner. Man,

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Speaker 3: He runs hard.

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Speaker 2: But tell me this what hard running back? Running this

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, you're thing with Marshawn Lynch with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you're a tough running back nine thousand

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Speaker 3: You've got a tough defense, right And by the way,

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Speaker 3: I think I like the way you flip that too,

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Speaker 3: because you know, you always talk. A lot of us

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Speaker 3: talk in terms of who do you not want to tackle? Well,

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Speaker 3: who do you not want to run against? Because as

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Speaker 2: Well about it, you think about it, Think about the

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Speaker 3: The middle, absolutely right, you know you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So it plays in every area, man, And football is

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Speaker 2: we love it because we love seeing people colliding to

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Speaker 2: each other. But when you do it because you're forced

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Speaker 2: to do it, you won't get the same impact when

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Speaker 3: Right, good point.

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Speaker 1: Last thing. This has been a lot of fun. But

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Speaker 1: last thing we got to ask you about Joey Porter Jr.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he, particularly the back half of the season,

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Speaker 4: It's trying to get paid like one. Let's keep it real.

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Speaker 2: I saw a stat that had Joey Porter Junior and

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Speaker 2: a hell of a cornerback all of us would agree.

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Speaker 2: Having a great season. Great in the Super Bowl, even

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Speaker 3: He was one of the best players on the field.

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Speaker 2: He realized Joey Porter had better numbers than Gonzo in

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Speaker 2: But he doesn't get talked about like Gonzo for whatever reason.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And he's got the penalties out of it, lack of interceptions.

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Speaker 2: I think he had more than Gonzo, and stat checked

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Speaker 2: I think he touched more passes, more footballs than Gonzo

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Speaker 2: did in.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Because that's the first thing most people say, Well, he

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Speaker 2: Lou I'm waiting on I'm waiting on his stat too,

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Speaker 2: He definitely had more PBUs if you were to combine

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we were having a discussion just breaking down

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Speaker 3: you're you know, where are you happy with your roster?

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Speaker 3: Joey Porter's my top corner. I'm happy with that. I'll

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Speaker 3: figure out two and three and all that. I'm happy

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Speaker 3: hardest things to get in football. Yeah. Off, you know quarterback,

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Speaker 3: we know left tackle, but boy, can you get that

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Speaker 3: you know, the edge rusher? Can you have that number

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's shown the ability to be that number

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Speaker 2: one guy. And when you're in a division where you've

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Speaker 2: seen Jamar Chase and t Higgins twice, you better make

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Speaker 2: sure you got somebody who can cover.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: With their extensions, they're not going anywhere anytime.

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Speaker 3: It's own.

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Speaker 4: So I really hope he gets paid.

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Speaker 2: And you know, great point about cleaning up his style

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Speaker 2: He got better this season. He was a competitor, he

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Speaker 2: And he's deserving of seeing that new deal. And if

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Speaker 4: One.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you one more question? Yeah, I want

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Speaker 3: to ask you about a rule. So it's a rule

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Speaker 3: that I'm not in favor of. It is the defensives

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Speaker 3: receiver rule for defensive backs. I'm all in favor of

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Speaker 3: not targeting the head. Right, So I understand all those rules.

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Speaker 3: Let's try to keep players as safe as possible. Right,

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Speaker 3: But when we oh, what did he got? Has he

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Speaker 1: Uh, one more interception for PC Jr. Four more PBUs,

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I'm telling you, Yeah, he's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeaheah, Joey is not getting the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are we talking about. He'll start to better, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he'll start to So all for player safety, all for

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Speaker 3: not targeting the head. I think that the defensiless player

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Speaker 3: thing you talk about the toughness of the game does

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Speaker 3: is this, if you don't want to have a defensive receiver,

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Speaker 3: then don't throw them the ball there? Does it take

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Speaker 3: any of that toughness that that you know, like a

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Speaker 3: heinz Ward, the part of his value was he was

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Speaker 3: on Well, you don't have to do this anymore because

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Speaker 3: they can't hit you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what great about toughness, But I

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Speaker 2: the penalty and also do for us, it's a thin

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Speaker 2: line in being hesitant or being playing fast to create

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Speaker 2: was at Florida State, my defensive coordinat needs to tell

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Speaker 2: us all the time, it's your job to separate the

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Speaker 2: man from the ball right when he's trying to catch

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Speaker 2: it at the point of attack. So if I see

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Speaker 2: you come across the middle, and I know if I

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Speaker 2: hit you as soon as the ball get there, there's

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Speaker 2: a potential chance of a flag because you were defenseless.

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Speaker 2: But if I wait and let you catch the ball,

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Speaker 2: I cannot create an incompletion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, I can't.

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Speaker 4: That's the first down. You're in extended downs now.

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Speaker 2: But if I can hit you simultaneously when you get there,

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Speaker 2: I create an incompletion. Now it could be fourth down

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Speaker 2: you're punting the football. That could be the siding factor

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Speaker 2: in US winning and losing the ball game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, I'm all for player Safety's that's one

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Speaker 3: of the violent parts of the game that I think

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Speaker 3: you just have to live with this part of the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it's been legislated out and they want to keep

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Speaker 3: guys healthy. And I understand that, guys.

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Speaker 4: I understand that as well.

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Speaker 2: But it's hard for us as defenders because you can't

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Speaker 2: sit here and try to be hesitant when you six three,

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Speaker 2: running four threes and running it by the way, now

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Speaker 2: that that's put you in a bad position, no question.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got to slowed down and you might get

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Speaker 3: run over.

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Speaker 4: No question. And that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: So when you do get a chance in a fair

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Speaker 2: situation and putting that that helmet on him, do it right,

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Speaker 2: play like Seattle, play right.

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Speaker 3: Thank you man. I appreciate it, really enjoyed it. We

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Speaker 3: are continuing our coverage from the Combine in Indianapolis on

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