1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. Welcome back All the Smoke, La 2 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Run Serve had a good day, but man, we get 3 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: to sit down with man the newest member of the 4 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: All the Smoke production team. Family God, welcome to the 5 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: team and the show. Ray Johon Rondo Welcome, Man, I 6 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: mean already, family, we're here. We've been talking for a 7 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: few months and we're really excited we were able to 8 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: get this deal done with you, and it just excited 9 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: to what you bring to this space as far as 10 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: a lot of knowledge in the game, a lot of 11 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: years in the game, a champion, a future Hall of Famer. 12 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: What is your goal in its content space? 13 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: Mister kind of shared my knowlge of the game. You know, 14 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: a lot of projects I want to get into eventually, 15 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: but you know, first off, I want to say thank 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: you to y'all taking a chance with me, and I 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: feel like it's going to be a great fit. Obviously, 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: our personality are similar off the court and how we 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: play the game on the court as well, so there's 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: a lot of synergy in this group and it's glad 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: to be a partist. 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're glad to have you. 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: Bro. 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: Last time we talked, you were fresh off a bubble 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: championship in twenty twenty. What's new? What's going on? I 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: know you're going back to school right now. I know 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: you haven't officially retired. Like, what's going on in your 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: day to day? 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: Day to day? Man, I'm actually I'm on spring break. 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: So I'm out here on spring break. 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: Students in LA for spring break. 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: So I am in school, full time student. 33 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: Now money not to cut you off Monday through Friday online? 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: No got I got two in person and two online. 35 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: So actually back in Kentucky, back. 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: In the University of Kentucky. 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: Man, that's done. 38 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: I go twice a week. I take the drive down. 39 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: But as fun loving this new adventure. They're definitely paying 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: for it. The NBA is paying for it. Right to 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: speak to that, because I don't think a lot of 42 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: guys you and I talk. I don't think a lot 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: of guys realize that the NBA will pay for you 44 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: to go back and get your degree. I don't know 45 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: if Jack has a chance because he never even started 46 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: his ship. But for those who already tiptoed in college, 47 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: even not if you haven't tiptoted, I mean, the league 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: still I think up to like maybe six years of 49 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: retirement will pay for your education up to think twenty 50 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: thousand dollars, So as long as you've maintaining a certain GPA, 51 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: they'll pay for it. You get it done, So I 52 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: commanded whoever everyone has ever done it or going back, 53 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: but I encourage guys that aren't playing anymore or havn't played. 54 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: Helped them transition because a lot of guys don't necessarily 55 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: do well with retirement or not have something to do. 56 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: But school for me has been fun. I'm actually enjoying 57 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: it more now than I did, you know, eighteen years ago, 58 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: and was back at UK trying to just get to 59 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: the league. 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: Right. 61 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: So what is it like being back on campus at 62 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: thirty eight? I mean, we were just at UCLA the 63 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: other day and we had to hurry up and get 64 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: off campus because there's just a lot of shit going 65 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: on too much. But what was I mean, what's it like? 66 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously our mindsets are way different from when 67 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: we were eighteen, nineteen twenty walking on our respective campuses. 68 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: Now you're a grown man with the family and the 69 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: whole career behind you. What's it like on the day 70 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: to day? I mean pictures seeing old professors I mean, 71 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: what's the day to day like on campus? 72 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: Day to day, you know how I'm moving. I'm pretty 73 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: much in and out. I park right where I need 74 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: to park, you know, campus to get the class. Like 75 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: I said, my earliest semester classes, like last year there 76 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: were longer walks, but these two in particularly, I go 77 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: to this semester there right next door, I go to classroom. 78 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: I don't give you time, but I go to class 79 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: you on Tuesday and Thursdays, and you know it's no 80 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: big deal. I'm going to class one of my one 81 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: of my classrooms about twelve kids, twelve young young men 82 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: and women. And then the also other classes one hundred 83 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: and thirty five. Yeah, it's been fun. I'm learning a lot, 84 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: and I'm glad I'm doing it. 85 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, so I'm throwing the idea out there already, 86 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: making it come to fruition. So my twins want to 87 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: go to UCLA, and I'm like a semester away from graduating. 88 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: So if they go back to school, I'm going back 89 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: to school. But I want to turn into a show, 90 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: like I want to try, like a scripted dramedy about 91 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: a washed up NBA player going back to school with 92 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: like two up and coming five stars, right, So I 93 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: think I might do that. 94 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: Man. 95 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: So we're going to see your son, your coach now, 96 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: I get a chance to coach my kids. Jack coached 97 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: in the past. But what is that experience like? He 98 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: just went viral on ball his life, So what's that 99 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: what's that journey like? It's a different way. I want 100 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: to talk to you about that too, because you shook 101 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: your head. What's it like being coaching your son and 102 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: just seeing that, you know, him excelling something he loves 103 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: so much. 104 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: It's a joy. It's definitely a joy to coach my son, 105 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: and that he's at the stage now where he's listening. 106 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: So eleven twelve, he's twelve twelve. He's twelve, and he's 107 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: a sponge of the game. He wants to get better 108 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: each time. And me, you know, explained him to understanding 109 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: he has a target on his back. And as you 110 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: mentioned him just going viral. We just came back from 111 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: a big term of down at Hoover and you know, 112 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: all the cameras around the court now, so you're starting 113 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: to get a lot of the notoriety and a lot 114 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: of attention. But for me, I'm just try to keep 115 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: him as humble as possible. He doesn't have social media, 116 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: And then when my team is with me that particular weekend, 117 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: I shut social media down because I think that's affecting 118 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: these kids to when they don't give it. Damn if 119 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: you win. To Losese, like as soon as you get 120 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: out out of the game, they on the ground who 121 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: tagged me, who posted me, was like, that's that's that's 122 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: fucking our young kids' heads up, and that's not what 123 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: we allow on our program. 124 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: No more more. 125 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: I like the Jamal Crawford made a post a few 126 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: weeks ago about parents and outside noise, and obviously we 127 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: came up in a different time. You were a little 128 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: bit younger us, but in the same same kind of 129 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: age group and wave all this. You know again, kids 130 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: can loot me three and done or two and done, 131 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: but you'll see a highlight tape up, you know, the 132 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: next second. So what is like your your focus and 133 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: how successful you obviously touched out, how successful hasn't been 134 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: on understanding with the big picture in but also enjoying 135 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: the ride, allowing the kids to enjoy the ride. 136 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, that's what it's about. Like I said, 137 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: I'm pretty strip on the road. Obviously, I'm a lot 138 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: of kids made. You know, a lot of parents may 139 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: send their kids with with just me and the coaches. 140 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: So obviously where they're extended, dad's on the road. And 141 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: for me it's it's a great experience because I teach 142 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: them discipline. We go to bed at a certain time, 143 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: I take the phones. I said, always say, we don't 144 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: have social media, and it's a business trip kind of 145 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: how we approach it in our game. I try to 146 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: treat them the same level or how we're doing an NBA. 147 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: It's like I said, we come here, we ain't getting 148 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: swimming pools. We ain't doing this in the third We're 149 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: gonna probably go to movies and sit and relax if 150 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: we get a good time or other than that, we're 151 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: there for business. We watch film more than any probably 152 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 2: the NBA team combined. I mean we at each game 153 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: because at that age a game, you're learning the game, 154 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: so each and for me, instead of arguing with my 155 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: kids back and forth, I just pop the tape in 156 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: and then you know, there's nothing to argue about. I 157 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: have the whole team vote was this a travel? 158 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 3: Was this a foul? 159 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: And they get to coach themselves, and not only you know, 160 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: just hear me thinking I'm just crazy and talking the 161 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: sound all the time. It's like, here's the proof. See 162 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: And then when they know where they get to film 163 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: and they changed their mindset within the game, they know, okay, shit, 164 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: I'm have to get up the screen now because last 165 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: time in film we talked about this. So it's easy 166 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 2: for me to teach the kids and I don't have 167 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: to go back and forth with them a lot because 168 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: right after the game we jumped right in the van. 169 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: We watch it. 170 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: I love it, So talk to us about I mean, 171 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: we all grew up playing on the blacktops and playing 172 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: pickup games and there was a little bit of training. 173 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Now it's so much one on one training and then 174 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: just games, and I feel like kids don't really know 175 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: how to play the whole game of basketball. Everyone needs 176 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: the ball in their hands to be effective these days. 177 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: So talk to us about kind of just the new 178 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: form of frames, because I feel like kids are very skilled, 179 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 1: and even the younger players in the league super super skilled, 180 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: but I feel like they lack just an overall understanding 181 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: of the game and sometimes lack a little bit of 182 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: IQ as well. 183 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: I think the big reason is that because now scoring 184 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: is glorified. The game is pushed so much so if 185 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: you can score, you can play it. You can score, 186 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: you can get to the league. It's like I think 187 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: the game is, it's a lost art of actual leaders 188 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: on the court, like myself. You know who can actually 189 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: if a coach got eject that can run the entire game, 190 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: you know who to get the ball to. Nowadays, again, 191 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: when you're training, you're working out and working out against 192 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: the cone. You know these cones and the games move, 193 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: and then it doesn't translate into the game to where 194 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: you're just focused on individual play and don't know how 195 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: to make your teammates better or doing intangibles with things 196 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: that don't show up on ESPN. All the little things 197 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: that make a team click come together. And for me, 198 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: like I said, the main thing is just being a leader. 199 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: You can't teach the game from just playing or just 200 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: drilling with a trainer four days a week, go back 201 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: and work for us, we hooped, yeah, I mean it 202 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: was we hoot more than training. I mean this is 203 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: how it was so uh, these guys don't have the 204 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: opportunity obviously, It's it's not as safe, you know, with 205 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: all the parks and shit clothes, especially back in my neighborhoods. 206 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: You can't just go pick get a pickup game, you know, 207 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: so it does have to be always a school ball 208 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: game or something that particular nature because of the safety. 209 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: But kids still don't play enough, you know, they don't 210 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: play the game enough. They rather train than't play, because again, 211 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: training it taught you how to make any game adjustments 212 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: quicker than when you actually get on a game where 213 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: it counts to pick up ball. You can't. You can't relate, 214 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: you can't. 215 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: I feel like there needs a little be a little 216 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: bit more mix up too, because I feel like one 217 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: of the issues is they play a lot of games, 218 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: but they're just games, so they're not structured or control. 219 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: So I think there needs to be more practice time. 220 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: But that's hard if you have a team that has 221 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: kids from different states and in different cities. But I 222 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, they're either training or they're playing 223 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: actual games. I think there needs to be a little 224 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: bit more control so you can control and help make 225 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: the you know, help correct the mistakes in the games 226 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: before they come habits. So I mean, we got kids 227 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: in it, We're gonna see how it goes. But I mean, 228 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: I think our kids have an upper hand because they 229 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: had dads that have been to the top of the 230 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: mountain and understand what it takes to get there. 231 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: But go back to what you said about what Jamal 232 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: posted and I actually reposted. It is the parents that 233 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: are killed in the game. 234 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: You know. 235 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: I see so many parents now and just got their 236 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 2: cameras in the stands. But it's for a highy tape 237 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: versus you know, if you're going to record recorders to 238 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: teach your kids not to make a highlight tape. And 239 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: then when he has to go against some smoke or 240 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: he fa, he faces challenges. He doesn't know how to 241 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: handle those things. So for me, it is the parents. 242 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: The parents. 243 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: Even on some of my programs, I got four teams now, 244 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 2: you know, don't like the way I may do things. 245 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: I'm thinking myself like, well, you came to my program 246 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: for a reason, so let's wish you the best luck 247 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: to you to get out of here with that type 248 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 2: of mind. So because again everything I'm giving the kids 249 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: and we're taking our time. Obviously we spend a lot 250 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: of money as well paid for it either at all, 251 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: So we're taking the time and teaching your kids. You know, 252 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: it's either you get out of the program or you 253 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: gotta get out, you know. So it's the parents that 254 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: are kind of watering it down and not being authentic 255 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: with their kids. 256 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: Last up, Don Breed. 257 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 4: Two of the top five assists leaders in the league 258 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 4: right now is Saendlers. How do you feel about, you know, 259 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 4: you being one of the point guards, one of the 260 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: real point guards. How do you feel about it not 261 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: being no point guards like, you know, like it's erased 262 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: all the point guards. That's true point guards, you Chris Paul, 263 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: it's no more guards like that in the league, very few. 264 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: Rather, I mean it's sad. I believe, you know, you know, 265 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: basketball guys appreciate, you know, myself and Chris the way 266 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: we play the game. I believe the right way. You know, 267 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: it wasn't not that every guard is scoring down is selfish. 268 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: But at the same time, the point guard is the 269 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: leader of the floor. He's a extended extension of the 270 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: coach on the floor. And like I said earlier about it, 271 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: if a lot of these coaches got thrown out the game, 272 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: point guard wouldnt know how to handle the situation. They 273 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: wouldn't know what plays to call down the stretch of 274 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: the games. They would know who would get the ball 275 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: to a certain time. It's different matchup, so you know this, 276 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: it's sad the game is gone this way. But again, uh, 277 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: the league wanted scoring and they watched you know, one 278 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty point games. Like you know, there's no 279 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: DEFENSI isn't being you know, cherished, and there's a defensive 280 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 2: man of war, but nobody really talks about it. It's 281 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: not like that guy's actual defensive player that can stop 282 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: and play both sides. So I know he was talking 283 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 2: earlier about how Ae and Edwards plays both sides at all. 284 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: But guys aren't valued as much. I believe it's like 285 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: they'll say a three and D guy, but the stars 286 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 2: aren't playing defense, right, the stars aren't the matchups and 287 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: not seeing the tape the other day with him checking PG, yeah, 288 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: locking it up and man like he wanted that smoke 289 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: and he said that since us say that he pleas 290 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: the guy that plays both sides. So to see him 291 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: actually do this at a young age, uh, you know, 292 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: kudos to him. But the point guard is. 293 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: Gone and we respect that that. 294 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: Now it may come back, but the end of the day. 295 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. 296 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: Obviously they're going they're going to European style. They're now 297 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: trying to get to Africa. I mean, they're they're pushing 298 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 2: the game differently, and I don't think the game is 299 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: being taught or valued as it should be. But you 300 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: know that's the the waivers with. 301 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: Teams like Phoenix abandoning the point guard completely. How you 302 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 4: feel about that, I mean, I think it's gonna be 303 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 4: hard to win that way. 304 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: I think it does. You know, everyone wants to be different. Again, 305 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: I don't still see them having a leader on the 306 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: floor because again, you got three great first Battle. 307 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: Hall of famers know how to get their shot first. 308 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: Get that's what that's who they are, and that's okay. 309 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: But for me, like I said, that was easy for 310 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: me to manage in the sense, you know, I was 311 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 2: talked by Doc, great leadership from Sam Caunsell, my Vets, PJ. Brown, 312 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: But that was my mindset. You know, I was always 313 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 2: a selfish player. I wanted to make my teammates around 314 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: me their job easier. No matter how many grates I 315 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: played with, I wanted to make them Okay, if you 316 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: average twenty six, let me get you to twenty seven shooting, 317 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: you know, ten more or six more percentags higher than 318 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: the fields, you know what I mean. So it was like, 319 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: I want to make the game easier, and that's how 320 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: I study their game and study my game to make 321 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: sure it mix. It went well. 322 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 4: P was already a thirty point score, but then you 323 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: getting them six to eighties. Was a game that was 324 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 4: a quick, easy party on us. 325 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: It's okay, let me go to pe right now. Now 326 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: I get Now he gets two free throws. Now he's 327 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: in the rhythm. So it's like this will be able 328 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: to manipulate the game that way. I'm pretty sure nobody 329 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: really thinks that in that way. 330 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Now, walk me through the first you know, football scripted, 331 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: the first you know, first two drives are scripted. Walk 332 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: me through the first three or four minutes of the game. 333 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: When you have yourself, Ray, Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, 334 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: and Kendrick Perkins on the floor. What are you looking 335 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: for and how are you looking to start the game. 336 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking and dominating the paint. Get Ray wide up 337 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: and look early as possible. It depends on the matchups, 338 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean. 339 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: If you got you have to give me a team 340 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: to where Okay, if who's the weakest link, you know, 341 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: we're gonna attack this guy, particularly on defense. If it's 342 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: a star player, we're playing against Vince Card, I might 343 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: want Pe to go Advince the first lead. Again, we're 344 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: gonna set the tone early. He's gonna pick up a 345 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 2: foul and now now I'm going right back at him, 346 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: or it just depends on how the game flow. If 347 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 2: that superstar I got a first foul, Doc, don't you 348 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: have to talk to me. We're going right back to 349 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: Whether I'm coming out of pick and roll and trying to, 350 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: you know, bump into his leg to get the foul, 351 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: or we're trying to post, you know, whatever the case 352 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: may be, I'm trying to get him a second five 353 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: out of the game earlier. That way, they have to 354 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: make a quicker adjustment than we do when you go 355 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: in the ticket. I mean, it just depends. If you 356 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: obviously beat some man down the floor, I'm going to 357 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: him first. If we want to go inside, then obviously 358 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: it's if we're going against a Rasheed or mcdce, I'm 359 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: going to ticket. If I'm going against Kevin Love, I'm 360 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: going to Kevin. Who else is back in the day 361 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: playing and if I'm going against Tim Duncan, we're going 362 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: to We're going a ticket, you know what I mean. 363 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: So it's like whoever had that matchup the first play 364 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: of the game. Hopefully we were trying to go at 365 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: that person. 366 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: This is what I did not is though, because I played, 367 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 4: y'all a lot. Y'all gave Perkins bone first player of 368 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 4: the game a lot. Absolutely, the first player the game. 369 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: We're gona give him his bone because he might not 370 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 4: see no more unless you run the floor. 371 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: But if you if you give him that, now he's 372 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: gonna run through a wall. 373 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 374 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's likestanding who your personality is. Like I said, 375 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: so it doesn't always have to be the Big three. 376 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: I don't think I ever got a first play of game, 377 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: but I was okay again, I wanted the first sister 378 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: the game. But now it was like I said, it was. 379 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: It was fun playing with that group of men, and 380 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: how Doc got us to buy in so quickly we 381 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: was able to get it done. 382 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: Someone who has a very high q IQ of the game. 383 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: And really, when you say extension of the coach on 384 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: the floor, like to every sense of the word, that's 385 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: what you were No one can figure out Jokic. What 386 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: would you do if you were coaching against him to 387 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: try to slow him down? 388 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: First of all, you have to have the personnel. I 389 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: think I think the last team to slow them down 390 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: was us in the bubble with the white and I 391 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: think we actually we had the white javel and we 392 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: had a D so we had three seven footas that 393 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: we can throw at him. So I think the closest 394 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: team is Cat healthy. He's done for this time right now, 395 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: he'll be back. Yeah, yeah, So I mean I think 396 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: the team has the best shot, It would probably be 397 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: the two footas that you know, Minnesotas can throw at him. 398 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: But again, if I was a West Coast team, my 399 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: two big would probably be watching joking the entire year. 400 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: You know, if I'm prepping that way, I'm studying all 401 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: his tendency that I'm saying, you know, when he draws fouls, 402 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: when he becomes dominant. I think last night he had 403 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: like ten and ten or twelve, some low scoring game. 404 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: But I'm watching this game seeing what happened, What do 405 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: they do differently? Or I know Michael Porter Junior had 406 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: it going, but it's like what game wereries games where 407 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: he would slow down. Let's figure out what we can 408 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: do to you know, those try to bring out those 409 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: tendencies versus the game. He said forty and those games. 410 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: I'm watching those games as well. 411 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: Okay, what did he get? Great? 412 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: How many free those did you shoot? How many three 413 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: attempts did you make you? I mean, so I'm breaking 414 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: the game down with his game in particular the entire season. 415 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: If I got to go against him in the playoffs, 416 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: it's very very few games what people were able to 417 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 4: do this. But when you make him try to score 418 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 4: over you, because he's real crafty. 419 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: He's not fast, but you know how to get around you. 420 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: But if you if you constantly make him try to 421 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 4: score over you, he has trouble because he's not athletic. 422 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: He's That's why he crafted. That's why I feel like 423 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: our bigs we were able to throw Dwight. He was 424 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: able to, you know, put a body on physicality. This 425 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: long athletic, you know, a student of the game, and 426 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: you got eight that doesn't have to check him every possession. 427 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: But now he has to go against eighty. So now 428 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: we get an offense eighties attacking joke us. We have 429 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: to do you want him to play both sides. Put 430 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: him in pick a roll, put him in pin downs. 431 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: If that big isn't a great you know, score to 432 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: put him in all of pin downs. Force him the switch. 433 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: If not, attack them. 434 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: Love it. Paul recently said on Draymond's podcast, you went 435 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: to ticket University. Early on, I did, what does that mean? 436 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: I did? 437 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: What did that mean? And what did you learn? 438 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: And I learned so much? You know, he was the 439 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: one guy that when I did fuck up, you know, 440 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 2: he always called me to be like yo, you he's 441 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: a writer. You was wrong and he always kept it 442 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: real with me. And I appreciate that from a from 443 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: a vet standpoint, because a lot of people wouldn't tell 444 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 2: me the truth, you know what I mean, They probably 445 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: continue to kiss my ass or not hold me accountable 446 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: to the level I need to be held accountble to 447 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: if I wanted to be great discipline. You know, he's 448 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: a probably the most disciplined guy I've ever played with, 449 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: you know, doing the ship every day, in the weight room, 450 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: every day, being a professional, taking care of his body. 451 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: You know, he might be in getting massage for two hours, 452 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: then he might go to the kolto. Then he might 453 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: get shot up. 454 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: So he was he does. 455 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: He did everything consistently every day, and I think that 456 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: helped me become a better professional understanding I had. I 457 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: had him every day. I had Raid that was showing 458 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: up at four o'clock on game days getting shot up 459 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: before the lights came on. And then I had part 460 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: that would I would come in a midnight thinking I'm 461 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: in the gym by myself. He'd be upsels on tripmill. 462 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: So it's like I had all these vets that it 463 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: was like damn okay, like oh okay, and I was 464 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: just a sponge write everything down possible to try to, 465 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: you know, implement in my pot and be great. 466 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: You spoke to something that has gone from the game 467 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: these days, is vets. How important do you feel like 468 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: or how do you feel like the NBA is lacking 469 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: by not having these? And we've said this before. When 470 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: we came in the league, there could be guys that 471 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: are thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, pushing forty some 472 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: some some you know, some help on the court, but 473 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: some just help in the locker room, on the flights bridge, 474 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: the guests with the coaches. What is the NBA missing 475 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: by not having Vets anymore. 476 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: They're missing a lot and I said, they're missing a 477 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: lot of discipline off the court for the young guys, 478 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: knowing how to move, knowing how to work, you know, 479 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: and knowing how to be great teammates, you know what 480 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: I mean, Like the game isn't always just about the game, 481 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 2: you know. I think back in the day when Vets 482 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: were around the team, you know, we had like a 483 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: lot more events off the court, you know what I mean, 484 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: Like it was more together and this more camaraderie off 485 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: the court as a team. And again it may not 486 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 2: always have to like each other, but you show it 487 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 2: for each other's events. And now it's kind of like 488 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: it's about me, my brand, it's all, you know, it's 489 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: nothing else about the team or outside of anything else 490 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: but me versus you know, being a team. So you know, 491 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: the the NBA knew what they were doing. They wanted 492 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: people that could control and you know, with the Vets 493 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: in the locker room, you know, that's not as many 494 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: yes men or people that are just say you know, 495 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: you can say anything to them and not have any resistance. 496 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: So they had to get the best out of in 497 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: my and my my thinking. A lot of my boys 498 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: went out at that particular age because I feel like 499 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: they can't control them anymore. 500 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: And they taught us how to be professionals, right, I know. 501 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 4: That's one thing I give credit to Steve Smith and 502 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 4: Kevin Willis and even Steve Carrlem they taught They taught 503 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 4: me how to be a professional bro to deal with 504 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 4: getting taken out the game and being mad at coaching, 505 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 4: all those types of things. Not not having that in 506 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 4: your career, that's. 507 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: Your career short. 508 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: No, That's definitely helped us. The Gap Celtics this year, 509 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: I think right up there with odds on favorite to 510 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: win it. Uh, do you think they are are real contenders? Uh? 511 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: To bring home that first ring with this this Jason 512 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: Tatum and Jalen Brown group. 513 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 3: I do. 514 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I'm biased, but being real as well. 515 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: They they have a great group of young men, and 516 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: I think they have enough guys that are hungry that's 517 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: almost been there, and they have a champ and Drew 518 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: that has been there. And Uh, Sam Cassels on the sideline, Joe, 519 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: I love, you know, working with him when I was 520 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 2: out there just learning fromhim a couple of days in Boston, 521 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: watching how he works and how he's able to get 522 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: guys to buy in and when he speaks, everyone is, 523 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: you know, all eyes up and paying attend to if 524 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: he has he has the locker room, he's commanded their attention. 525 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: And they also mixed with the auhoor for the type 526 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: of vet like guys that, like I said, haven't always 527 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: made it to the top, but have been right there 528 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: at that particular time. And now I feel like now 529 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: they have the group in mind that that's done it. 530 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: Like I said, they were so close last two years. 531 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: Hopefully this is year they get it done. 532 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: Porzingis's health is going to be important. Definitely, gazingis is 533 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: a problem, but you just got to stay healthy. What 534 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: does the global game You've touched on this earlier, but 535 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: what does the global game of the NBA look like 536 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: in the next ten to fifteen years. I mean, they're 537 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: already in Africa, they're trying to expand, you know, to 538 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: these different continents. What is the game as a whole 539 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: look like when our kids are old enough to play. 540 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna be it's gonna be crazy. I 541 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: mean I don't think there's gonna be many Americans in 542 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: the NBA. Possibly in ten fifteen years. It's gonna be 543 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: tough to say, you know, predict the future, but I 544 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: think possibly a percentage of the NBA games would be 545 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: in these different parts of the world, right you know, 546 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: like I said, it may not be eighty two games. 547 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: That might be shortened by then sixty two, maybe twenty 548 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: guys are touring over and you know, and you're turning 549 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: over in Africa playing you know, two three weeks at 550 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: a time and then coming back to the States. I 551 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: think it'll be a rotation of that possibly, but I 552 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: don't know what he's gonna do a lot too, That's 553 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: a lot. It can change really quickly, as it has 554 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: since you know I've started, and now where the game 555 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: is going now, so you know, it's all about the 556 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: dollar and they're gonna do what it takes to continue 557 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: to make it and get the pie bigger, which is 558 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: why we're able to see these type of contracts in 559 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: these deals. 560 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you feel strong about Boston coming out of the 561 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: East in the West, Denver, Clippers, anyone you think as a. 562 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: Man this, sir, uh top My top three right now 563 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: would probably be Minnesota, Denver, and the Clippers. I can't 564 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: I can't choose I think I feel like Minnesota has 565 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: a Clippers number, particularly one player. When you go against 566 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 2: some boys, Like I said, he he's gonna give me 567 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: the best shot and he wants it. So I think 568 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: they have a great chance of getting it done. But 569 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: again I can't. I can't connut the champs. You know, 570 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: Yokers is the man. Then, like I said, his sidekick Murray, 571 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: he's going crazy. Then you got Michael Porters getting more 572 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: and more confidence. A g Yeah, I mean they got 573 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: a whip. And then like I said, they they're will 574 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: the well or the World machine. They've been there before. 575 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: They are missing a big piece I believe in Bruce 576 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 2: Bruce Brown Brown. 577 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: And they're trying to fill that boy with Peyton Watson 578 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: and bron I Liken the from Kansas. Yeah, a little 579 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: white boy's night Brown Brown. 580 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 3: I like it. 581 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: We'll see how it works out, because you know, I 582 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: think the Sebjics do the same thing. And we thought 583 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 2: we could reply Tony Allen. 584 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 585 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, we get back you. Obviously Kevin 586 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 2: doesn't get hurt. 587 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 3: What if? What if? 588 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: But those type of guys, you know, you can't just 589 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: replace and think there aren't is value I mean whether 590 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: maybe you're on the courter off the court, those guys 591 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 2: are key pieces to championships. 592 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: You're on campus with some superstars, Reed Shepherd, DJ Wagner, 593 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: Rob Dillingham, you get a chance of running to them 594 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: at all, And what do you think about this group 595 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: of kids and you know they're talking about you know 596 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: at least two or three of them, two of them 597 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: are going to be lottery picks. 598 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 3: All right. 599 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: Funny thing is, uh, before my child was born, my 600 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: baby girl six months ago, I had class with Dellingham 601 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: and I think Bradshaw. So we had a journalist class. 602 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: That was fun, and of course me and Rob kind 603 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: of clicked right away. First day walking to school, we 604 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: kind of looked up and I was like, I've been 605 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: looking for you. Then obviously you wanted to holler me 606 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 2: to as well. So that was fun, fun moment. Obviously, 607 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: my baby girl came, I had to drop a class 608 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: and now back down to twelve hours. But that was 609 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: a class I had with those guys. One of my 610 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: good friends, John Welch coaching Kentucky. So I was in 611 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 2: Sacramento with John and I go to this office from 612 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: time to time, sit in and talk watch the game, 613 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 2: watch him work out Read, you know, Dylan Ham every 614 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: once in a while. So it's been great having those 615 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: guys around, you know, like seeing their stardom grow and 616 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: the way they play the game. You know, I've actually 617 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: taken a couple of AU teams to see Kentucky play 618 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 2: and always tell them to watch Red. You know, everybody 619 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: loves Rob and want to be you know, yeah, because Rob, 620 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: you know, he got he has moved. I tell him 621 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: watch Rob obviously for the one on one game, but 622 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, watch how Read controls the gainst the game, 623 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, you know, he knows 624 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 2: the game. He's always in the right spot. You know, 625 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: he's not the most athletic, he's not the fastest, but 626 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,239 Speaker 2: it's IQ bingo his i Q is able to meet 627 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 2: up at the game. And now he's talking about being 628 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 2: some Pixie's number one pick in the game. I mean 629 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: was anyway, he shoots the basketball and I've seen him work. 630 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: They got some stuff down at Kentucky and I can't 631 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: wait to get my son up there against some working 632 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: as well. 633 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: I love it. The women's game in college basketball has 634 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: grown tremendously. Have you been able to catch any of 635 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: these young female stars on the rise. 636 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 2: On the highlights, but not you know, specifically studied the game. 637 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: And I'm a big fan of the women's game. But 638 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: like I said, with my schedule, kids, school, new baby, 639 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: new baby, gratulations by the way, playing the wedding in 640 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 2: a couple of months, I mean, appreciate. 641 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: We gotta we got to send some mess to the wedding. 642 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: We got to be there. 643 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: It's in Italy, so. 644 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: You don't know, say what when you get back. 645 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: Congratulations on being inducted. 646 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: Appreciating. 647 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: Brother, yea, yeah, that mean a lot to me. 648 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 4: Tell me, you know, first of all, congratulations, but how 649 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 4: does it feel to you to be you know, in 650 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 4: the Okay Hall of Fame, best high school ever. 651 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: Best high school ever? You know, being there looking at 652 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: that wall, all the names on that wall, it's it's 653 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: definitely a humbling experience, and it's the honored to be 654 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: on that you know, that ballot especial guys like yourself, 655 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: all the greats that has such impact on the league 656 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: as well. But being at that school, like I said, 657 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: if you know, you know, and it's uh, it definitely 658 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 2: changed my life one thousand percent. 659 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: Would you send your son there, But. 660 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: I said my son there. If my son was top 661 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: ten in the country, maybe it just depends on what 662 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: the talent that he was playing with at a particular time, 663 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: you know. For me, like I said, Okill, I wasn't 664 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: playing with the best talent where I'm from Little Kentucky. 665 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 2: So mean, I'm playing with guys my big the biggest 666 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: guy my team was six, you know, six y three. 667 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: When I got to go to o'kill, I got Brian 668 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: Johnson sixty ten, Josh Smith sixty eight, forty five in 669 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: vertican me. 670 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: So it's like I got really crazy. 671 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: I got to really you know what I mean, like 672 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: explore my game to where I just have to just 673 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 2: go try to score sixty every time, Like I was 674 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 2: able to now become a real true point guard, being 675 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: able to get guy. I think that's pretty much where 676 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: it started for me at Okill. So I was able 677 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: to niplate the game and get guys open, keep guys happy, 678 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: and then be an extension of Coach Smith on the 679 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: court to where I need to do what I needed 680 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: to do for him. 681 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 4: Put your out of all the players went to Okill that, 682 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 4: you know, put make your own starting five, starting five, Yeah, 683 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 4: out of all the players that it's been there, starting five. 684 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 3: I'll tell you mine because I had, I had, I had. 685 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: I tell you mynther Rod Strickland said he was a 686 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: big fan of you. 687 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, let's go starting five. 688 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: Don't be bashful. 689 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 3: I'm not. 690 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 4: I mnna have to go with I can't remember. You 691 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 4: can't use Katie because he didn't graduate from I can't 692 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 4: use KD. He didn't graduate from Okill. 693 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: Say less, Okay, Jack bringing. 694 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 4: If you was a ok kill, that's how we go, 695 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 4: that's how we got respect it. 696 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: Let's go with stack Jerry stack House. 697 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: He's I knew who he was talking about. I knew 698 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 3: who he was talking about. 699 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 2: I gotta go with Josh Smith, Camello, Ryan Mercer. 700 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: Who's running the show. Who's running the show. It can't 701 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: be me, Yeah, it can't be. So I said, don't 702 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: be bashful, can you oh to me? 703 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 2: I'd love to play with it, but I mean it's 704 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: not me. I might have to go with a bigger 705 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: line up. I mean, you know, shout out the strict 706 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 2: Jack Brandon Jennings. I mean, it's so much. It's a 707 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: lot of Yeah, like. 708 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: If you ask Themboudy, if you ask somebody, it's gonna 709 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 4: be different every time. Think I would go since we 710 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 4: since you here, I would go you uh me at 711 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 4: the two stack, at the three, mellow at the four, 712 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 4: Josh Smith at the five. 713 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: That's this day. 714 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 3: That's yeah, fel right now, yeah. 715 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: Now dogs and Buckie Getters. Is it true you have 716 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: a superstition about showering? 717 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: I do? 718 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: Is what is it to us? 719 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: I always showered forty five minutes on the clock right 720 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: before you know. I depend on what time you did meetings. 721 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: But you meeting was at thirty five. I was shower 722 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: ten minutes before myself about seven minutes in the shower 723 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: and then come out and I'll put my humble as 724 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: the coach is talking. Some coaches liked it, something didn't. 725 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: But for the most part I was able to put 726 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: my vet move and get it done. But I showered 727 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: on game days usually probably about five times, five times, 728 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 2: five times. Yeah, and what does this dude just kind 729 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: of reset you? Last year it kind of refreshed me. 730 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: Like obviously showering, you get up, come back home and 731 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: shoot around, take a nap, get up, shower, and they 732 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: go to arena showered, and after game shower. So it 733 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: was you know, it's about right, that's about I would 734 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: hope you take at least three yeah, yeah, three old game. 735 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: So now not playing anymore? Do you still have the 736 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: superstition of having to get a certain amount of showers? 737 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: Now? 738 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: And I'm just focused on trying to work out every day. 739 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: Okay after that, but no, that's it. 740 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: Sixteen years, two time champ, four time All Star, four 741 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: time All defensive, top fifteen all time and all assists 742 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: along with John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash, one of 743 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: four players average eleven assists for four or more seasons 744 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: and turn out hell of a hell of a resume 745 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: is have we seen? Have we seen the last of 746 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: Rajon Rondo in the NBA? 747 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's official. 748 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: You're done. 749 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm done. I can't. I can't now, I gotta 750 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: spend time. I'd rather spend time with my kids. You 751 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: enjoyed it that, you know, make me two hundred million dollars, 752 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: and you know, telling them certain things, they're like a like, 753 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: now I'm gonna go with. 754 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 3: My kids over here. 755 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 756 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, when you sit back and look, because most 757 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: of the time in the moment, we never get a 758 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: chance to when we just read your accolades, and I'm 759 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: sure there's a bunch of other shit we didn't list, 760 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: but just the plane rides, the locker rooms, the bus rides. 761 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: Like when you sit back and look out over it, 762 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: what do you think? 763 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: What a time? You know what I mean? Like, it 764 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: was definitely something I would never took for granted. You know, 765 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: while I was in the game, I loved every minute 766 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: of it, and I appreciate the brotherhood that I was 767 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: able to share and bond and grow with over the years. 768 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I learned so much in this game, 769 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: and this made me the man who I am today, 770 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, all the all the ups and 771 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: downs part of my life, but being able to for me, 772 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily about the money. Was about When I 773 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: first was introduced to this game, my mentors, Mike Bibbi 774 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: Dereck Anderson, it was just that free time in the summertime. 775 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: I was like, damn, y'all get that work out morning 776 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: and y'all done the rest of the summer, you know 777 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: what I mean, gott to get Like I would say, 778 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: like it's like a school schedule. I can teach the schedule. 779 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: You work all winter and then you work you had 780 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: fun in summertimes. So for me, that was what initially 781 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: got me to start to motivate it to work and 782 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: work and work and try to get to this goal. 783 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: Because I tell people all the time like this wasn't 784 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: a dream of mine. You know, it was a goal, 785 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: and I was able to lock in, stay disciplined. I 786 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: didn't party a lot in college where I just don't 787 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: party because I now going back out on party off, 788 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: so I just I skipped that. But again it was 789 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: worth the sacrifice of me getting to where I wanted 790 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: to be in life. And I was under underdog my 791 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: whole life, you know what I mean. I was always 792 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: I feel like a guy to overachieved and was counted out. 793 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: But you know I understood what it took to get there, 794 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: and I was blessed and fortunate to have the write 795 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: people around me to keep me going. You know, when 796 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: towns weren't as good and the persevering understood that cream 797 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: always rise to the top. 798 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 4: You was involved in the maybe the most historic pickup 799 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 4: game in my hometown. I think whether it was you 800 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 4: when y'all was down up for perks. You so my 801 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 4: hometown and coach got coaches gonna release the footage, just 802 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 4: gonna give it to us. 803 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 3: But it's Kat you, James, Me Perk and a couple 804 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 3: of other pros. Uh. 805 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 4: That was on OKC team, but it was the wholes 806 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 4: people from my hometown and this was the first time 807 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 4: where we had a pickup game with this many pros. 808 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 3: That was the memorable moment in my hometown. Do you 809 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 3: remember that? It was? 810 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 4: It was one of the best pickup games I've ever 811 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 4: played in bro and like for my hometown like that, 812 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 4: that was like a professional game played in Yeah. So 813 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 4: we got footage of it too. I'm gonna see you 814 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 4: to put it. It was unbelievable that game and it 815 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 4: was all on the prime James kad him. They always 816 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 4: in their prime too. 817 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: We did the same thing at Kentucky the lockout year 818 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: with all the pros. We always had differenceies. We meet 819 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: up and hoop like that was. That was a good 820 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: old day. 821 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: The lockout was fun because there was a lot of 822 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: legendary pickup games that we're put together and happened. We 823 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: had one in the Baby with that we believe team 824 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: versus the Current, So that was the Young Steph Jeremy Lynn, 825 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: our old squad. It was that lockout time was fun, 826 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: that that game with Mellow and Brown. Cobe had some games, 827 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: it was a lot, had some actions. Yeah yeah for real? 828 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: Who is ray Seon Rondo outside of basketball today? 829 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: Man? 830 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: Future husband? 831 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: Talk that ship? 832 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: Uh a college student you know, going back. I'm trying 833 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: to actually what you said about your kids. My daughter 834 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: is actually UK has been on her line a looking 835 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: really so I told him I'm gonna try to get 836 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: at her before you graduate or if I don't, you 837 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 2: know that school together. 838 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: Man. 839 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: You know, dad, I'm a full time dad as much 840 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: as I can be, you know what I mean. I'm 841 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: pretty active and say I got a brand new daughter. 842 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 2: So that's me man, Like I said, trying to be 843 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: the best husband I can be. Uh, become closer to God. 844 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: And it's can you be a better person this day? 845 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: I love it. Quick hitters. One piece of advice you 846 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: would give a young Hooper right now. 847 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: Don't chase the money, man, chase getting better each day, 848 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: you know, fall in love with getting better each day, 849 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: taking one day at a time. Don't look at the rankings, 850 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: don't look at the graham like I said, I was, 851 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: I was ranked two thousand my senior in high school. 852 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: You know, I went to ol kids. I was able 853 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: to exposure. I worked every day. It came to Mickey D's, 854 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 2: and then you know, the rest is history. But like 855 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: I said, I was always just a worker. Like I 856 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 2: didn't give it you, I didn't give it about anything else. 857 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 2: But just's getting better each. 858 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 4: Day, same same road. Okay, child crush. 859 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 2: Shout out the left eye. 860 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: Man. 861 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: No one said her that's a good call. I like 862 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: that crazy, but God bless herself. One thing you wish 863 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: you were better at. 864 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: A better communicator. 865 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 3: That's like, that's the number one answer. We all are. 866 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 3: We all know we burnt. What's your guilty pleasure? 867 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: Fucking with people that be like are you? I'm like 868 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: no or I get that a lot. I don't never 869 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: really Just like I said, they mess with me. If 870 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: they don't ask me to say who I am, I 871 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 2: act like I don't. I get that a lot. Yeah, 872 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 2: So seeing people fucking with them. 873 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: Most underrated player you played with or against in your 874 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: tenure I. 875 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: Have to go with my probably my boy Josh Smith. 876 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: I think he was uh that Atlanta Smith, I mean 877 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawk team he played with. I think he had 878 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: a big portion of where they were successful. He did everything, 879 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: you know, he ran the floor of block shots, play defense. 880 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 2: I mean he was he was an intangible guy. I 881 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 2: never made All Star game. Joe was the man obviously, 882 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: but like I said, I think after that they had 883 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: a lot of good pieces are from Mike Bibbe, but 884 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 2: he was the guy that kind of did it all 885 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 2: that some pretty crazy particularly rebounds everything. 886 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, looked at it. Three point shot. 887 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 4: If you could see one guest on our show, who 888 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 4: would it be? But you have to help us get 889 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 4: your answer on the show. 890 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, get my boy Joshmith for I can get that 891 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 2: right there to fish you know what. 892 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 4: And he's just like Rondo involved coaching kids program. 893 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: We were just together, like I said, we uh yeah, 894 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: that's some of my favorite I mean, getting a chance 895 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: to see people we played against as were they're coaching 896 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: our kids or as we're they're watching our kids. Like 897 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: that's that to me, that was That's really underrated what 898 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed in this I've been in since seventeen since 899 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: I retired. I've been coaching the boys and you know, 900 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: about to start up again. But getting a chance to 901 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: run into each other at these tournaments and kind of 902 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: catching up and smiling and smiling, and you know, just 903 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: seeing our kids, you know, enjoy what they do and 904 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: we enjoy getting back together. 905 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 3: Man. 906 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: That's definitely we got to get that. 907 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 2: We gotta get that tournament. 908 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, get get the kids, and we got the 909 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: doctor World way too. So again, man, welcome to the family. 910 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. Man, definitely looking forward to working 911 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: and building with you. Congratulations on a tremendous career, Congratulations 912 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: on the new daughter, and best of luck with the 913 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: wedding coming up soon. 914 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 3: Man. 915 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: You can find this man and all the Smoke Productions 916 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: all day every day. I want to thank the Ziggy 917 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: Hotel for the hospitality you guys opened up your doors 918 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: a lot of us to do a photo shoot. 919 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 3: You shooting the. 920 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: Show burned down, good drink food. Thank you, We of 921 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: you appreciate you. We'll definitely be back. But you can 922 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: catch this on all the Smoke Productions YouTube and the 923 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: Draft Kings Network. We'll see y'all next week.