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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: It's Thursday evening as you listen now, on the day

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Speaker 3: this comes out, and that means it's one of our

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Speaker 3: conspiracy realists. That's right, we're back with more listener mail.

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Speaker 3: We are going to discuss telepathy. Actual telepathy. That's weird.

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Speaker 3: That's a thing. We've got a wholesome conspiracy from schools. Seriously, no,

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Speaker 3: this one will it's a little bit of levity. We

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Speaker 3: got some great responses to our earlier question about the

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Speaker 3: voter age. Before we do any of that, we have

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Speaker 3: some concerning news or what would you call it.

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Speaker 2: Matt, it is I was trying to make a cow

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Speaker 2: reference or a bird reference. I don't know, no, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna love this one. Oh boy. Birds are sick and

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Speaker 2: their sickness is infecting everybody else, and we get We've

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Speaker 2: been kind of watching things in the news about this

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Speaker 2: in full and Plant Queen reached out to us with

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Speaker 2: the reason why we should cover it, and we'll get

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Speaker 2: into that in just a second. Here's the message from

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, this is you can call me the Plank.

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Speaker 4: I hail from Colorado. I have been kind of listening

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Speaker 4: to you guys a podcast for many moons now many years,

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Speaker 4: and I wanted to call in for the first time, but.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody's talking about something that should.

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Speaker 6: Be talked about. In March of this year, bird flu

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Speaker 6: transferred to farm animals and is now making its way

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Speaker 6: it seems that samples were tested and on Thursday, bird

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Speaker 5: South Dakota, Ohio, and Texas. I just think it's pretty

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Speaker 5: interesting that this hasn't actually hit me in news yet,

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Speaker 5: little bit. Anyways, guys, thanks for all you do for us.

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Speaker 5: And I would die if I heard this on air,

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Speaker 3: Oh oh don't, I don't die.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, everything's fine, everything's fine.

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Speaker 7: I knew the birds were going to be what killed

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Speaker 7: us ultimately, man, I knew it of any colonists.

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Speaker 2: In day one.

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Speaker 3: All right, our our individual or personal biases, be they

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Speaker 3: what they may, or biases whatever. Thank you Plant Queen

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Speaker 3: for writing in and Matt as as you mentioned on Aaron,

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Speaker 3: as we've discussed off air, we're the type of folks

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, because look, part of our jobs is to

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Speaker 2: So if something hits, let's say, an outfit like Reiter's

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Speaker 2: it just doesn't get the traction. The old bird flu

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Speaker 2: So this is a headline from Reuters written on May one,

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Speaker 7: but I do have to wonder if pasteurization deals with

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness, it does. We probably shouldn't be that concerned.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's one of the most horrible things, especially if

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Speaker 2: it gets worse you. Then jump over to MSNBC. The

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Speaker 2: There's a piece in Fortune. The title of that is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a zoonotic flu. What we call this infection whatever,

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Speaker 3: And as you can see, our larger concern plant Queen

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Speaker 2: You know, and how dangerous is it once you get infected? Right, right?

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Speaker 7: And that MSNBC article linked out to another piece from

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Speaker 7: of deadly infectious illness. And that is certainly tied to

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Speaker 2: Avian strain man, Guys, there are too many specifics I

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Speaker 2: go to the poultry site dot com. That's a good one.

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Speaker 2: They've got the dates written out, starting back in February

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Speaker 7: And we've returned with another message from you. Yes you

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Speaker 7: Prove how artificial these are, a kid in Kansas can

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Speaker 7: We know people who should never be allowed to do

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Speaker 7: At this later age, I am more active and am

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Speaker 7: As always, I love what you are doing. Have converted

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Speaker 7: Who knew approvals for everything? As al a is great

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Speaker 2: remember because we did talk about this, right, we like

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Speaker 2: mentioned Okay, so did I tell you the quick story

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Speaker 2: about visiting my cousins. I think I maybe did? I

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Speaker 2: want to echo something that Scooch said there about knowings

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Speaker 2: there's no standard ninety eighty or seventy year old. So

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Speaker 2: I was in North Georgia visiting my mid to late

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Speaker 2: seventy year old cousins. And they they're amazing. They're selling

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Speaker 2: a house. They're really super cool. They are feeling their

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Speaker 2: age a little bit due to some health issues. Right.

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Speaker 2: They told me that their friend is showing up, and

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Speaker 2: they told me she's a little older. This Lincoln SUV

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Speaker 2: rolls into their driveway and out pops this lady that's

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Speaker 2: just like, oh, hey, y'all, how you doing, and just

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Speaker 2: like super vibrant lively, she is ninety four years old yea,

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Speaker 2: and I would have eff I would never have guessed

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Speaker 2: that she was that age. And again it's just that

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Speaker 2: point of like the age really doesn't have anything to

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Speaker 2: do with it. No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 7: And we're talking about mitigating other mitigating circumstances that could

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Speaker 7: happen to anybody at any age.

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Speaker 3: Any Yeah, there's not a one size fits all, even

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Speaker 3: in a relatively harmonicrogenous civilization like think of Japan. Right,

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Speaker 3: even when people will tend to share more genetic factors

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Speaker 3: than they would in a nation like the United States,

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Speaker 3: you still can't account for the case by case variables.

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Speaker 3: I did drop a little bit of a trick there, Scooch,

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Speaker 3: and I think you're picking up on it. The arbitrary

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Speaker 3: concept of what age is or is not appropriate to

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Speaker 3: engage in things like driving or voting, or joining the

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Speaker 3: military and so on, that sort of stuff. In the

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Speaker 3: case of voting, I would argue, is compounded by the

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Speaker 3: fact that voting is a right that can be removed

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Speaker 3: in the US right if you have a felony conviction, etc. However,

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Speaker 3: it is not an obligation. And I yet again say

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Speaker 3: that there is a lot of sand to requiring people

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Speaker 3: to vote, you know, because if you're part of a niche,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of like you're part of the club, right,

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Speaker 3: you got a required to pay taxes. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you gotta pay taxes. So do you choose taxation without representation?

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Speaker 3: That's a question. So people got really up their butts

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Speaker 3: about in seventeen seventy six or so.

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Speaker 7: And you don't think though, perhaps the lack of a

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Speaker 7: you know, mandatory vote isn't in some way convenient for

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Speaker 7: politicians who maybe would rather some people not vote, or

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Speaker 7: they're like depending on that complicity in order to help

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Speaker 7: get elected because they know that it's easier to fire

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Speaker 7: up a zealous base than it is to like, you know,

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Speaker 7: convert people that are maybe not interested.

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Speaker 3: It's a bag of badgers. Yeah, it's a complicated thing.

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Speaker 3: There's not really we don't know the answers, folks. You

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Speaker 3: tell us, fellow conspiracy realist, how you would solve for

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Speaker 3: more equitable voting situation, more equitable society. It's a question

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Speaker 3: that's haunted the humans since they started being people. But

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Speaker 3: the other issue here, you know, you're absolutely right. For

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Speaker 3: some bad faith actors, knowing that people will not vote

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Speaker 3: is a tremendous power, especially when added on to Jerry

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Speaker 3: Mandarin and other very unethical practices.

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Speaker 2: However, mandatory to vote a lot of other countries.

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Speaker 7: Australia is one, Argentina, Belgium, Olivia, Brazil, Congo Costa Rica,

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Speaker 7: a lot of places that we would consider third world countries.

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Speaker 2: Quote unquote, you.

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Speaker 3: Know it's in cold war nomenclature.

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Speaker 7: I know, I'm just saying it's still thrown around.

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Speaker 2: But guys, imagine you're up there, you know you're going,

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Speaker 2: you're up for election, you control part of the government.

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Speaker 2: How do you how do you ensure that those informed

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Speaker 2: people are informed in the right ways that you want

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Speaker 2: them to be. What if get past it? I feel

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Speaker 2: like we need something. I don't know what it would

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Speaker 2: be or what you would call it, but like some

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Speaker 2: form of separate voting block of people that takes the

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Speaker 2: suggested vote of all the other people and then they set.

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Speaker 7: Learned collegiate type never going to.

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Speaker 2: Work proxy votes. Let's take more of the proxy situation.

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Speaker 3: Also. The other issue here, which I believe you have

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Speaker 3: quite astutely anticipated, Scooch, is that we cannot return to

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Speaker 3: the days of pulling test. We cannot practice that. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: it's a look. If everybody was nice and acting in

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Speaker 3: good faith, then that would be fine. It would be

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Speaker 3: amazing if people had the time and the opportunity and

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Speaker 3: the impetus to research the specific issues that they're voting on.

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Speaker 3: But to be quite honest with you, many times in

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Speaker 3: the United States, someone goes into do their bit right,

519
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Speaker 3: their their civic duty, and they vote, and they know

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Speaker 3: a couple of the questions that they want to weigh

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Speaker 3: in on, and then they get hit with all these

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Speaker 3: other weird questions, often phrased in misleading ways. Do you

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Speaker 3: not approve of a following tax relief for small maritime

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Speaker 3: craft if it is added to a municipal tax totally

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Speaker 3: the final thing subdivided over the seventeen years, And then

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Speaker 3: you're like, bro, you think about the last time you

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Speaker 3: saw a boat.

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Speaker 7: The ones among us who do all the homework possible

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Speaker 7: still get thrown by those kinds of questions. You think

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Speaker 7: you're going in fully, you know, educated, ready to exercise

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Speaker 7: your civic duty, and then you every time, we'll get

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Speaker 7: a handful of these WTF moments where you're like, I

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Speaker 7: think this is right, but sometimes it's worded in a

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Speaker 7: way that's borderline intended to trick.

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Speaker 3: Decision trium, you know what I mean. Hit the electorate

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Speaker 3: with a semi colon just in the middle of the question.

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Speaker 2: Just right in Kanye West.

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Speaker 3: That's what I do, or what my best friend and

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Speaker 3: I have done for many years. And write your palin

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Speaker 3: for a local municipal position that you do not understand.

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Speaker 3: Shout out, Corey Oliver, give me a comptroller one day.

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Speaker 7: No man only just figured out what a controller actually does.

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Speaker 3: It took us a while.

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Speaker 2: I could see Corey being a great comptroller.

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Speaker 7: I got the gift to gab that's for sure. Is

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Speaker 7: that necessary for comptroller.

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Speaker 2: Number one thing?

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Speaker 3: But we seriously, we like parliamentarian, we cannot overemphasize, uh,

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Speaker 3: the the importance of not returning to polling tests. They

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Speaker 3: have historically, at least in this country, only been used

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Speaker 3: to disenfranchise people. And we also, I don't know, I'm

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Speaker 3: still on the fence about forcing citizens to vote. I

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Speaker 3: think it's worth a shot, Like you said, Noel, it has,

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Speaker 3: it has worked in other countries. But then also you

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Speaker 3: run the we run the possibility the risk of capturing

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Speaker 3: blocks of voters and sending them in to vote, not

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Speaker 3: their conscience, but to vote on their marching orders. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's already a problem here. What happens when people have

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Speaker 3: to vote and they just say, someone tell me what

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Speaker 3: to do, don't make me think about it.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that was exactly a shot in the

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Speaker 7: arm that we needed from gp GGP Scooch. So thank

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Speaker 7: you very very much for the email itself and for

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Speaker 7: you know, giving us such a great jumping off point

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Speaker 7: for this conversation. I do think I don't know man

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Speaker 7: mandatory voting. The more I think about it is, the

567
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Speaker 7: more like all of the things that we just discussed,

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Speaker 7: there might be an episode in there somewhere, you know.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's certainly something that we've talked about in

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Speaker 7: the past, but there might be a way of getting

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Speaker 7: into this, you know, once election season comes around, you know,

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Speaker 7: to kind of explore some of the more niche ins

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Speaker 7: and outs of the history of why is voting in

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Speaker 7: this country the way that it is?

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Speaker 3: Tell you what, let's vote about it off here?

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Speaker 2: Oh and why do I always experience voters remorse? You

577
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Speaker 2: know what I mean? Is that a thing? Yeah? I

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Speaker 2: think it is okay. It's like buyer's remorse, but it's

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Speaker 2: like after you vote it and you're like, ah, dang it.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Well, it's sort of like that moment, like

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Speaker 7: the opposite of deja vu. It's the French concept of

582
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Speaker 7: the spirit of the staircase, the moment you've you've not

583
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Speaker 7: said the smart thing and you're gone. Then you come

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Speaker 7: up with the smartest possible thing. But it's totally too late.

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Speaker 3: I should have said that lawyer was working pro boner.

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Speaker 7: Let's take a quick pause and come up with some

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Speaker 7: more spirit of the staircase zingers that we can have

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Speaker 7: in our back pocket, and then we'll be back with

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Speaker 7: another piece of listener mail.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned to the listener mail, and a

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Speaker 3: wholesome letter from home. Our listener mail here comes from

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Speaker 3: Jay Connor, who says, hello, my gents, with a zee.

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Speaker 3: You may call me Jay Connor, longtime listener, longtime fan.

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Speaker 3: As the Western public is distracted by Taylor Swift and

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Speaker 3: the multiple wars in the East, major breakthroughs in technology

596
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Speaker 3: continued to be made, Advances that will change our society

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Speaker 3: and flip the world economy upside down. I'm sure more

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Speaker 3: people would care that twenty percent of jobs will be

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Speaker 3: affected by AI and automation by twenty thirty five and

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Speaker 3: fifty percent of jobs by twenty fifty if we were

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Speaker 3: not conveniently oversaturated with information on a daily basis, or

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Speaker 3: the public understood predetermined media celebrity fawning amplified non critical

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00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: issues and controversies, and you know, world incidents are sometimes

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Speaker 3: timed to correspond with technological revelations or more commonly, a

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Speaker 3: divulge of information damaging to the interest of whichever respective

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Speaker 3: ruling establishment. To break that down and saying celebrity celebrity

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Speaker 3: like hubbubs, you know, Taylor Swift, discourse, Drake getting slapped

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Speaker 3: by k dot and the latest in the latest hip

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Speaker 3: hop beef Team k Dot. By the way, what he's

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Speaker 3: saying is sometimes this occurs such that other things can

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Speaker 3: slide under the radar, just like that new Manta drone

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Speaker 3: out there water and they're asking you to look at

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Speaker 3: the right hand and pay no attention to the left.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's something we can agree with on

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Speaker 3: this show, right, would you say that happens?

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Speaker 2: How about this? To my perception, it happens all the time.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it is purposefully done, right, because you

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Speaker 2: would have in order to prove that, you would have

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Speaker 2: to actually make those connections that seem so like obvious, right,

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Speaker 2: But there's no actual connective tissue other than you know,

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Speaker 2: oh well, we know about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm wearing a trucker hat today and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: we know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: That's an awesome trucker hat too.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to our pal for the locals number four,

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Speaker 3: our buddy Harold so the true mayor of Atlanta's side.

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Speaker 3: J Connor continues, it's hard for the average person to

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Speaker 3: fathom how fast AI is improving, or to truly ponder

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Speaker 3: the implications of now living in a world with text

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Speaker 3: to photo and text to video prompt programs that only

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Speaker 3: corporations and governments have access to. It's even harder to

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Speaker 3: care when your tax dollars are being used to drop

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Speaker 3: bombs in Gaza. But I digress. No, my fellow chums,

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Speaker 3: I'm here to inform you and show you this new

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Speaker 3: reality we live in, one where AI has been proven

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Speaker 3: in the laboratory. I want to say laboratory at this point.

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Speaker 3: Doorady to have the capabilities to dundunt read minds, or

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Speaker 3: if I were to phrase it more professionally to quote

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Speaker 3: decode brain waves into communicative text end quote. Oh, says

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Speaker 3: Jake Connor. But it doesn't stop there. My friends meta

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Speaker 3: formally Facebook, Yeah, we're aware, has announced that they have

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Speaker 3: not only proven AI can read minds, but it can

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Speaker 3: also illustrate what you are thinking. Yes, a literal picture.

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Speaker 3: Let's stop there, because we have talked about this recently, Matt.

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Speaker 3: You brought this story not too too long ago about

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Speaker 3: some of the first legislation to protect brain waves. If

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Speaker 3: I'm am I oversimplifying out of Colorado.

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Speaker 2: Uh no, not at all, to protect essentially the intellectual

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Speaker 2: property that are your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: We go, nothing weird, So.

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Speaker 2: You check out.

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00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure you already know about this, Jay, but for

653
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: everybody else, if you miss that one, check it out.

654
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: It's an interesting case of legislation attempting to be proactive,

655
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 3: right to set the lay of the land for future

656
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: inevitable technological progress.

657
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: This is something we didn't talk about, or at least

658
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: a connection we didn't make in that discussion as a

659
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: connection to and I think a bridge is our AI

660
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: discussion here. The way, these large language learning models or

661
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: whatever what are they called, the aims the things that

662
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: we call AI nowadays.

663
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: Okay, the way I'm learning, let's say it that w Yeah.

664
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: The way many of them were originally developed, it was

665
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: by just taking up any and all information that was available, right,

666
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: And we've learned over the past couple of weeks and

667
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: rough well months, some of the loopholes, legal loopholes, and

668
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: legal bending that was occurring when those things were developed,

669
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: where basically copyright law was just kind of ignored in

670
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: order to make sure there was enough stuff to develop

671
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: several of these And we've learned that from the words

672
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: of the attorneys themselves, who were kind of instructed to

673
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: ignore some of that stuff.

674
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: Some real forgiveness versus permission rational.

675
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 2: Yes, which makes you think about what happens when brain

676
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: waves are now accessible to people, and what types of

677
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: legal loopholes and legal bending will occur when that stuff's

678
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: just being sucked up into the cloud and it's your

679
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: brain thoughts, your meat, your meat, murmurings like what happens.

680
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, it's your first.

681
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 3: And last refuge. The last thing that was Sack was saying, look,

682
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: I'm not here to call anybody out, but Matt Noel,

683
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 3: Paul fellow conspiracy realist Doc too. Every single person you've

684
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: ever met has thought of some crazy things and the

685
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: differences they did not necessarily act on those. This, I

686
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: would argue, this gets us very close to a war

687
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: world of pre crime, right and incorrectly predictive things. If

688
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: you are hearing this now, you have, to one degree

689
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 3: or another, you've thought about killing somebody. You maybe haven't

690
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 3: planned it out, but we've all had that what if moment.

691
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: You've been on the road and you thought, eh, what

692
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: if I just tilt the wheel just a little bit?

693
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it makes me think of the three

694
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: body problem. I wouldn't want to spoil it too much.

695
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: But there's a position that's created within that world. It's

696
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: called a what is it a wall? Wallfacers people who

697
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: specifically develop plans in the darkened room that is their brain.

698
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: They don't tell anybody about those plans and their ideas,

699
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: but they develop these things in their own mind, and

700
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: eventually those plans are spilled and get deployed. Right, no more, there,

701
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: no more of that. Somebody actually, you know when it's

702
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: a think tank, now it's a I don't know, cloud

703
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: tank thought thing.

704
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: I think, I think it's also a great violation of

705
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: human rights, you know, or the rights of a thing

706
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: that thinks. To be quite clear, you should be able

707
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: to evaluate the world with at least some shred of sanctuary,

708
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: some kind of internal safe place, you know what I mean.

709
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: Because that's the way we think about it now.

710
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: Right, right, you know? But are we not thinking things?

711
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: Do we not have the right to think the things

712
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: that we think? This gets close to again, decision treeing thought,

713
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: which is a very dangerous proposition, right, And it's the

714
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: kind of gun that fires in both directions. There is

715
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: no one in that conversation who will not somehow become

716
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: a victim of such a mad pursuit. Now, of course, apologies, Jay,

717
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: We're going to we're gonna summarize some of your email,

718
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: which is fantastic for time. We want to get to

719
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 3: something that you pointed out after a pretty top notch

720
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 3: explanation of the brain as biological computer, which absolutely nailed

721
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 3: by the way you have shared what we were talking

722
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: about the creation of something like telepathy, and you didn't

723
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: go into any skullduggree. And I think this is like

724
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: I think this is what Jay is shouting into the

725
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 3: void and into the rooftops Now Meta has extensive research

726
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 3: on this topic. You can read about it at least

727
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 3: their public facing stuff on AI dot Meta dot com,

728
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: go to blog aispeech and brain activity. This contains video content.

729
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: This also contains summarizations of their studies and ongoing research.

730
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 3: It is directly on their website, as j points out,

731
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: which prompts Jay to call this a so open secret.

732
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: Yet very few know about what's going on in these laboratories.

733
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: It scares me sometimes how fast technology is progressing, unbeknownst

734
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: to much of the world. And I'd like to give

735
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: everybody a quote from the website that Jay shared with us.

736
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: This is from August thirty first, twenty twenty two, so

737
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: more than a year has passed at this point. Meta

738
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: FKA Facebook says every year, more than sixty nine million

739
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 3: people around the world suffer traumatic brain injury, which leaves

740
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: many of them unable to communicate through speech, typing or gestures.

741
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: These people's lives could dramatically improve if researchers develop a

742
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 3: technology to decode language directly from You'll love this non

743
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: invasive brain recordings. Today we're sharing research. It takes a

744
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: step towards this goal. We've developed an AI model that

745
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: can decode speech from again non invasive recordings of brain activity.

746
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: And they go through just how far they've gotten through

747
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: this methodology, case test and all of this. All of

748
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 3: this leads Jay to cite some University of Texas semantic info,

749
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: brainwaves AI research, some pieces from CNN, MSNBC, and Jay says,

750
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there. I'll let you go down the

751
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: rest of the rabbit hole yourselves ponder the possibilities, like,

752
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: if you built a sensor strong enough, could you capture

753
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: brain waves meters away and read minds at a distance?

754
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 3: Could we build telepathy? I'm pretty sure at this point

755
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: the answer is yes. I don't know.

756
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: Jay got to me, I can't wait for telepathy, man,

757
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: it'll be like that story Noah was talking about where

758
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: you can walk through with the card reader and was

759
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: about to say, get everybody's credit cards. Man, No sick.

760
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 7: We were talking about that legislation that just came through,

761
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 7: I believe in Colorado where they're trying to prot you know,

762
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 7: the infiltration of our minds man, you know, to get

763
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 7: our personal data.

764
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: Or IP or whatever that is.

765
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 7: Telepathy, you know that's technologically enhanced or you know created telepathy,

766
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 7: and it's coming, y'all.

767
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: Do you think it is?

768
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: It's just not public yet. I'm sure, but Jay concludes,

769
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: I mean, in fifty years, when the state sponsor drone

770
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: the patrols my neighborhood flies by to protect my thoughts

771
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: from its mind to coding sensors and software, the most

772
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 3: efficient and practical defense against it would be to put

773
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: on my tinfoil hat. Maybe, man, but check out our

774
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: tinfoil hat episode.

775
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: We know you did.

776
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: You have to encase the entire biological machine. You know

777
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: what I mean, a future of hazmat suits.

778
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: We just need far day cage domossiles.

779
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's be get the new hip hop flex you

780
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: know what I mean, forget the role x me.

781
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: I wonder if you could build a Wi Fi chamber,

782
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: like a Faraday house right that has a Wi Fi

783
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: chamber that allows the Wi Fi to go through that

784
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: chamber in directly to a device, and you could plug

785
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: in to your modular wall. These tubes allow it would

786
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: be like having cables. This guy plug it into this.

787
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 3: Is showing Nola is showing a cavalcade of cables.

788
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: Well, it's a modular it's my modular wall. What I'm

789
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: what I'm imagining is a modular Internet. Oh wait, this

790
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: is I'm literally describing a router and an old one

791
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: to them, you're also described.

792
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 7: I mean, if you've ever been in a server room

793
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,959
Speaker 7: or you know, one of those massive server farms, that's

794
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 7: all modular as well. Each one of those drives that

795
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 7: creates the Internet is a slotted thing that's physically installed

796
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 7: somewhere and then patch together with other stuff.

797
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: I just also, you know, for anybody who's been through it,

798
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: I find there's a subreddit called oddly uh satisfying or

799
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: something like that, and they have a lot of cable

800
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 3: management pictures for someone bringing order from the chaos.

801
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: Totally.

802
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 3: It's just somehow reassuring. You know, I can't even see

803
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: the colors, and I'm just like, look at that.

804
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 7: You can't exactly do that with the modular because it's

805
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 7: meant to be you know, put in and then reset.

806
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 7: So if you did cable management, that's for stuff that

807
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 7: like stays connected all the time by nature, you're bringing

808
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 7: order to the chaos.

809
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: By just hooking it up correctly like that. I just

810
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: want a lack of clutter. I like clean things.

811
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: Agree that's nice, man, But think about the data clutter.

812
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: That's like hitting there with waves.

813
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 7: Right.

814
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: You can't see it, but it's there. I'm saying, let's

815
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: start the wired movement again. Let's get it back all

816
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: wired technology. That's it WI Yeah, dude, let's do it.

817
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: Also, also, this is uh, this is funny. This is

818
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: making me think of the idea of getting a report

819
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 3: card for your thoughts, maybe around the time you pay

820
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: your taxies. It's like, here's the percentage of times that

821
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 3: you had aberrant imaginings.

822
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: Oh no, have you guys ever owned a car that

823
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: you're driving.

824
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: Yes, I will. I've participated them, but I refuse to

825
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: own one.

826
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So my car had that where you literally get

827
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: a report card that is monitoring everything you have done

828
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: in that vehicle for the entirety that you've been driving it.

829
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: And it was like, Bro, you got a sixty eight.

830
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you need to slow down, take those corners

831
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: a little better, make sure you're signaling, which I am,

832
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: because the dang thing thinks that I'm changing lanes when

833
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: they've got painting. The painting on the lanes is wrong

834
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: or they've done I take umbrance. Is that the word? Yea?

835
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: I take umbrage with this, but anyway, just it's creepy

836
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: to think of that as you're saying, saying been applied

837
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: to if you could open up the terminal of your

838
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: mind and just see everything that's happening.

839
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if humans are ready

840
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: for that level of cybernetic integration, and we don't know

841
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 3: what the world will look like at that time. It's

842
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: fascinating stuff, it's worrying. It is arguably inevitable on some level.

843
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: And listen, when this kind of stuff is rolled out

844
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: or message to the public, it always comes in glowing terms, right,

845
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: in very happy futuristic optimist terms. Right, we're going to

846
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 3: we're going to help people with TBI, which is true,

847
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 3: that part is true. But also we have to ask

848
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: about the other side of this. Because technology knows no

849
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 3: ideological dilemmas, right, it knows only the ethics of its creators.

850
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: Is scary thing. It's one of the big problems with AI.

851
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 3: Now write to us. We want to hear your thoughts

852
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: about it before we end, because that is kind of

853
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: a trippy thing. We want to thank everybody's written to us.

854
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: We also want to give a special shout out to

855
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: talks who hipped us to a very wholesome conspiracy from

856
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: the world of education. There is our letter from home.

857
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 3: Hi guys, longtime listener, but have never wrote in until

858
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: now thought you all might want to know about an

859
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: active conspiracy going on in my little public pre k

860
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: through twelve rural school. Rural school. I work at the

861
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: school that as one hundred kids from pre kindergarten to

862
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 3: twelfth grade. Class sizes range from ten to one. Just

863
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: like every other place deals with small children. We also

864
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: have the notorious stomach ache that comes around when students

865
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: don't want to work time. Is that a thing?

866
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 7: Oh gosh, yes, Actually, you know, I think it might

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Speaker 7: have become a little bit more headaches now with the

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Speaker 7: gen Z kids and their anxiety and neuroses, I think

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Speaker 7: a headache might be more popular. But definitely the legacy

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Speaker 7: thing was my term to a.

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Speaker 3: Little mo lingering. Right, So okay, so Talks says, be

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Speaker 3: to school. We have very strict regulations on medications being

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Speaker 3: given to students. That's a good thing. I am one,

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Speaker 3: says talks of only three people in the district that's

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Speaker 3: allowed to administer medication. Most schools, when they run into

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Speaker 3: tummy trouble or as you said, no headaches without any

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Speaker 3: accompanying visible symptoms. They rely on letting kids have a

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Speaker 3: five to ten minute rest in the nurse's office before

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Speaker 3: returning to class. My school has found a way around this, however.

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Speaker 3: Peppermint candy. Yes, the red and white striped candy is

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Speaker 3: our answer to every excuse. The nice thing is because

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Speaker 3: of the peppermint extract. It does help mild nausea. Being

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Speaker 3: a heart candy, it provides some relief to scratchy throats

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Speaker 3: and coughs. Because these are candy and not actually treating anything,

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Speaker 3: shout out to our supplements episode we can give them

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Speaker 3: to the kids. The older kids have figured out the grift,

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Speaker 3: but still swing by the office for a mint now

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Speaker 3: and then. Thanks for all you guys do you keep

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Speaker 3: me company on my drive every day. I think somebody

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Speaker 3: got me with this when I was younger. I think

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Speaker 3: some I think I got pepperminted.

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Speaker 7: I mean it can you know there might be a

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Speaker 7: placebo effect involved as well, but peppermint does have some

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Speaker 7: stomach calming sure properties.

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Speaker 3: You know, peppermint's great. I just think it's We wrote

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Speaker 3: back to Tonks and just said, you know, there's one

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Speaker 3: of our favorite wholesome childhood conspiracies up there with Santa Claus.

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Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, everybody nop uh, Big Claws is shutting us down, guys,

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Speaker 3: Operation jingle Bells and full Fast. We got to go

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Speaker 3: thanks to a tonks plant Queen GP Scooch, J Connor

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Speaker 3: everybody else. This has been a fun one, huh.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I just realized that peppermint myself all the

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Speaker 2: time when I reach for a stick of gum or something,

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Speaker 2: you know that's just peppermin flavor and I'm like, oh, well, peppermint.

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Speaker 3: Or sharper right, stay frosty by friends? Was that the

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Speaker 3: Dosakis guy, Stay thirsty, stay interesting.

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Speaker 7: He's the most the most interesting, the.

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Speaker 3: Most interesting, dude, I think he says, stay thirsty.

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Speaker 2: I think you might be right.

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