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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: A week ago, in my monologue, I talked about how

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Speaker 1: I think bystanderism is one of the largest cultural problems

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Speaker 1: we face, that people don't step in when they see

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Speaker 1: something bad happening that they were able to stop, and

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Speaker 1: of course even worse the modern problem where they just

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Speaker 1: kind of stand around and film it. And then on

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Speaker 1: Thursday's show, I monologued about the frat boys who protected

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Speaker 1: the flag at UNC Chapel Hill and how America just

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Speaker 1: fell in love with them. Last I looked, the GoFundMe

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Speaker 1: for them was over four hundred and fifty two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: And I said on Thursday that we needed this, We

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Speaker 1: needed to see people step in and be here and

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Speaker 1: remind us how it's done, because it wasn't that long

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Speaker 1: ago that we thought of that as what should happen

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Speaker 1: when something goes wrong. And you know, I pointed to

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven. But I also lived in New York

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Speaker 1: during the blackout of two thousand and three, and people

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Speaker 1: wanted to help, They wanted to step in. They got

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Speaker 1: on the street and they directed traffic, They helped old

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Speaker 1: ladies carry their bags. I mean, I talked about this already,

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Speaker 1: but it really showed me something and I thought that

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Speaker 1: that's how it was always going to be. But like

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Speaker 1: I said in the first episode about this, people are

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Speaker 1: afraid because they've seen people get targeted for it. Daniel

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Speaker 1: Penny in New York stepped in to save a subway

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Speaker 1: car full of people and now is a waiting trial

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Speaker 1: for killing a man. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are waiting for the inevitable backlash right now. The

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Speaker 1: milkshake ducking of the Boys as it's called when someone

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Speaker 1: becomes instantly famous and their old tweets get calmed through

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Speaker 1: to find something. But that's the whole thing we know,

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Speaker 1: and they knew there are risks to stepping in. These

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Speaker 1: boys did it anyway, and we should all follow their example.

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Speaker 1: People are hungry for heroes, and I think we can

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Speaker 1: overcome the risks that people face when they step in

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Speaker 1: by making it something that we expect to happen, something

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Speaker 1: that we prefer happen. If the boys do get targeted

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Speaker 1: for protecting the American flag from being torn down on

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Speaker 1: their college campus, then we should be the ones who

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Speaker 1: step in for them. We should protect them. We should

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Speaker 1: defend them. It will be a better society and that

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Speaker 1: should be our overall goal. Coming up next and interview

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Speaker 1: with David Reboy. Join us after the break.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 2: guest today is Claremont fellow and podcaster at Late Republic Nonsense.

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Speaker 2: David Reboy.

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Speaker 3: Hi, David, Hi, It's great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Really nice to have you. I was actually just thinking,

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Speaker 2: I absolutely never call you Dave like you are David

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the time.

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Speaker 3: Is that really?

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Speaker 2: Is that the case for everybody or no?

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Speaker 3: Well, that was the case growing up, and then at

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Speaker 3: some point around middle school, I had one friend that

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Speaker 3: of took off. So we have usually it's women who

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Speaker 3: say David and guys who say Dave.

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Speaker 2: Well, I almost always refer to you as Reboy, but

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Speaker 2: if I'm already saying your first name, it's going to

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Speaker 2: it's easier to just do last names at that point,

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Speaker 2: but I actually do last names for all the guys

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I'm having some realizations here as

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Speaker 2: I introduce you. So you are a South Florida pioneer.

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Speaker 2: I owe you a lot of credit for changing my

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Speaker 2: opening my eyes to Florida. And I really do think

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Speaker 2: you were the impetus for a lot of people making

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Speaker 2: the move. You were just already in Florida. You were

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Speaker 2: talking about how amazing it was. So how does it

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Speaker 2: feel to be so right?

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Speaker 3: It feels. It feels great to be vindicated. It feels

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Speaker 3: I I know, I've been talking about how wonderful Florida

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Speaker 2: And so you were like, absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: I said absolutely. My grandparents would say I'll move to Florida,

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Speaker 2: So was it Florida the change or was it that

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I think I think it was a little. I

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Speaker 3: You know, when I was a kid, the thing that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was amazing. It was the kind of place

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Speaker 3: I really that I had. I celebrated my fortieth birthday

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Speaker 2: And why were you? Actually was it a girl?

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Speaker 3: And the way I refer I've moved around so often

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Speaker 2: I love that states. I have a friend that makes

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Speaker 1: No way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it makes sense as the destination. And I also

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned you go to the gym. This is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I go. I go when I can.

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Speaker 3: Sure. So it's something that I've kind of always wanted

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Speaker 2: So when you first started, you you did do it

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Speaker 3: I would find a good coach. And there's a big

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Speaker 3: But a coach will have a comprehensive approach to whatever

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Speaker 2: back on the Carol Markoitz Show. You write about culture,

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Speaker 3: Man, It's funny every year I think I would say

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Speaker 2: Know, I looked up something that you you recommended one time.

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Speaker 3: Republicans good, Democrats bad, and like, yeah, of course I agree,

435
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Speaker 3: you know, Republicans are better, you know better, Democrats bad.

436
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Speaker 3: But there's just a lot more to life. There's a

437
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Speaker 3: lot more to life. I mean, one of the things

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Speaker 3: that I love bringing it back to Florida for a second,

439
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Speaker 3: one of the things I love about this place is

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Speaker 3: that or when I moved here, I was like, Okay, great,

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Speaker 3: I won't have to fight the weather m And people

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Speaker 3: don't realize what a huge thing that is huge constantly

443
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Speaker 3: fighting the weather all the time. And I mean for

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Speaker 3: people with like you know, seasonal locute depression to wake

445
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Speaker 3: up in the morning and the sun is shining almost

446
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Speaker 3: every day, yep, yeah, I mean, it's I mean, you know,

447
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Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's wonderful. And I don't understand how

448
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Speaker 3: people can kind of take or leave that. I guess

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Speaker 3: it's a personality thing. There are folks who live in

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Speaker 3: Alaska and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and people in the world. I'm not one of

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Speaker 2: those people. The weather was always a minus for me

453
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Speaker 2: in New York. Like I loved everything about New York,

454
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Speaker 2: but the weather was like it was never right. It

455
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Speaker 2: was always like a little off, you know, it was full,

456
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Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, it's full, and now it's

457
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Speaker 2: a cold but maybe or maybe hot. It just it's

458
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Speaker 2: never it never felt correct to me. So I love

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Speaker 2: New York despite the weather. But so every day in

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Speaker 2: Florida and I feel like people complain about the heat

461
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: and we've had like a really chilly winter, like it's

462
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Speaker 2: still is not as warm as I would like it personally.

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Speaker 3: So I heard from the start. Yeah, yeah, right, no,

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Speaker 3: I mean I hear you. Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 3: Let's say I show up with the time machine. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I say I could take you back to New

467
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Speaker 3: York nineteen ninety seven, Right, do you go? Do you go? Well,

468
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Speaker 3: it's tough, easy New York four.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're totally right. So the thing is New York

470
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. I'm single, I don't have kids. It

471
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Speaker 2: was amazing, it was a magical time. I would even

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Speaker 2: say in the early days. My oldest was born in

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Speaker 2: twenty ten, and we lived in Manhattan for the first

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Speaker 2: two kids. And when I kind of feel warm and

475
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Speaker 2: fuzzy about New York, it's not that end period in

476
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Speaker 2: Park Slope where we actually achieved our immigrant dream of

477
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Speaker 2: having a townhouse in Park Slope. It's it's the living

478
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Speaker 2: in like the one my husband's like bachelor apartment on

479
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Speaker 2: the Upper West Side, and having two kids and taking

480
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Speaker 2: them to the nearby park. And I mean, is it

481
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven New York was amazing, but I didn't

482
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Speaker 2: have a family, and I don't know what that would

483
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Speaker 2: be like in nineteen ninety seven New York and I

484
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Speaker 2: graduated college in ninety nine. So I feel like that

485
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Speaker 2: that whole time period after things really got good in

486
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Speaker 2: the early two thousands, it was like the best time

487
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Speaker 2: for New York. It was really alive and safe. It

488
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Speaker 2: was really really safe, which you know they managed to undo, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes they did. I don't know. I thought when I

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Speaker 3: left New York in two thousand and three, I was like,

491
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Speaker 3: this place is over. This place, Oh, it's over. It's

492
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Speaker 3: never going to be like it was it's never going

493
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Speaker 3: to be like it was in the nineties. And I

494
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Speaker 3: could see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't like the nineties. It wasn't as unique

496
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Speaker 2: and independent as the nineties. But the safety, you really

497
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Speaker 2: can't overlook that. The fact that you could like walk

498
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Speaker 2: around New York at any time and feel a real

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Speaker 2: sense of security. It's that's it's a draw.

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Speaker 3: Well by then, by then we were starting to take

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Speaker 3: it for granted.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, justification, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. By by two thousand, two thousand and one,

504
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, we were starting to take the

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Speaker 3: safety of the city for granted, for sure, and we

506
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: just assumed it was always going to be safe. You know.

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Speaker 3: After Juliana came Bloomberg, and he you know, he contained that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so five terms altogether of like normalcy and safety

509
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Speaker 2: and you know, kind of again normal ish policies. I mean,

510
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Speaker 2: Bloomberg had his wacky stuff, as did Giuliani, but in general,

511
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Speaker 2: it was like not crazy ideas, like let's not prosecute criminals.

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Speaker 2: So do you feel like Florida is in its heyday?

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Speaker 2: This is going longer than my normal interviews go, just

514
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Speaker 2: because you know, super interested. Okay, so I'll ask you

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Speaker 2: two more questions. One is, do you feel like Florida

516
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Speaker 2: is in its nineteen nineties New York moment where everything

517
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Speaker 2: is just blooming and amazing.

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Speaker 3: I think so. I the history of Florida is interesting

519
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: because this is really the first time that we've had

520
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: a statewide boom, like like we're going through now. There

521
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: have been booms from Miami or for Orlando or Tampa

522
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Speaker 3: and places like that where you know, people come from

523
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: you know, different parts of the country and you know

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Speaker 3: it gets a little more expensive and there's more amenities

525
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: and and things like that. But really this is this

526
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: is this boom is affecting you know, small towns in

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Speaker 3: the middle of Florida.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Everyone wants to be here. Everyone wants to be here,

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Speaker 3: and of course with that come all kinds of problems

531
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Speaker 3: because you know, this is this is reality we're dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Right.

533
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: So, you know, you do have you do have prices

534
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: going up, you do have more traffic, you do have

535
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 3: you know, quality of life things that that are a

536
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: little bit you know harder now than you know they

537
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: would have been five ten years ago. But on the

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Speaker 3: other hand, is now you you just have an optimism

539
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: and an energy that that that I haven't seen here before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel it.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, absolutely feel it. Every day going around.

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Speaker 2: People are just so excited to be here. They're like,

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00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: I said this somewhere else recently. But the people that

544
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Speaker 2: moved here, I feel like in the last four years,

545
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Speaker 2: especially like they moved for I don't want to say

546
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: a movement, but it really is some it's like ideological.

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00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: It's not just for the weather and the taxes. It's

548
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Speaker 2: it's like they came here to be something, to do

549
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: something together. You can sense it everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's definitely New Florida, New Florida, the Free State

551
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Speaker 3: of Florida. But it's definitely New Florida because it's not

552
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Speaker 3: the place that it once was. I mean, now, when

553
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: you meet somebody, one of the first things you asked

554
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: is when you get here? Yes, number one regretted it. Yeah, right,

555
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Speaker 3: you know are you? You? Are you? Kind of you? Have?

556
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Speaker 3: You been here for thirty years? You know almost nobody

557
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Speaker 3: was born here.

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Speaker 2: Right, I do meet a killbody? Yes, yeah, but that

559
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: is a question. It's like it's a gauge. Right, you

560
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: came in the last four years. I know right away

561
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Speaker 2: that you and I are going to align pretty closely

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Speaker 2: on a lot of things. I just it's it's you know,

563
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: it's a known thing. So okay, I'm gonna my final

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Speaker 2: question and hear your best tip for my listeners on

565
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's a hard one. I mean, I'll

567
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: say I'll say the easy thing. No, No, I'll say

568
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: the thing that I believe is most true. I think

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Speaker 3: more people should have a personal relationship with art and

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Speaker 3: the creative process.

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Speaker 2: Wow. I thought you were going to say God, and

572
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Speaker 2: I was going to be like, wow, I what Okay,

573
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: relationship with art. No, that makes a lot of sense. Okay,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, continue.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you know, in lieu of in

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Speaker 3: lieu of the divine, you know, create activity is definitely

577
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: in that in that category because at the end of

578
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: the day, you're creating something from nothing right and learning

579
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Speaker 3: how that process works, how that mysterious process works through

580
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Speaker 3: a variety of tiny micro decisions that are completely imperceptible

581
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: most mostly is completely imperceptible to you. You know what

582
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: leads you. You know, you're you're making a painting, you're

583
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: writing something, You're you're creating another you're creating a piece

584
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Speaker 3: of music. What are the things that are going or

585
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: here or beyond that that influence you into into doing

586
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: these things. A lot of people will will talk online,

587
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: especially about you know, they'll they'll go and have photos

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Speaker 3: of old cathedrals and you know, Renaissance art and things

589
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: like that and Caravaggio, and yes, of course they're beautiful. Yeah,

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00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: I mean, who doesn't love that? But when you kind

591
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Speaker 3: of venerate that too much as a as an aesthetic ideal,

592
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Speaker 3: I think I think you're giving short trip to the

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Speaker 3: creative process, which everybody would, in my opinion, would benefit

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Speaker 3: from being more engaged with. So what does that mean

595
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: on a practical level, Try to create something from nothing,

596
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: see how it goes. And if you create something from

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00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: nothing every day or every week, and it could be

598
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Speaker 3: a piece of writing, it could be music, it could

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Speaker 3: be you know, you could be playing around in photoshop. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: see how that goes, and see how that will kind

601
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Speaker 3: of change the way you think. Because I think it

602
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Speaker 3: really I think it really does. And exploring your own creativity,

603
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: you know, and if you've got kids and you know

604
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: other folks like that, you know, certainly get them to

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Speaker 3: get them to do it because a love of art

606
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: and you know, creative things from you know, music to cinema,

607
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: to books to to what have you. They can be

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Speaker 3: life changing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. He is David Reeboy. Check out

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Speaker 2: his Late Republic Nonsense podcast. Really love talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, David, Thank you, thanks so much for joining

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