1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I hope some stuff 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: I've never told you Protective, iHeartRadio, and welcome. As we 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: record this, it is November, November twenty twenty five. We 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: are outside of Halloween and spooky times. But if you've 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: been listening, you know that we've had a lot of delays, 6 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: sits as Samantha has been ill. Feeling better though, yes. 7 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 2: I am feeling much much better. 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, So this was originally planned for October. But 9 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: as we always say, we love horror. We love to 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: talk about horror all the time, and we love to 11 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: talk about religion all the time. 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: Honestly, so I mean, if you're from the US, with 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: the card state of things, you can't not talk about it. 14 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: It's true. I didn't even get into Honestly, I think 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: we believe this will be a two parter. Sometimes it's 16 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: hard to tell at the beginning, but I'm pretty sure 17 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: I didn't even get into the much of the political 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: horror part of this conversation, which there are political horror 19 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: movies about this kind of stuff. Yes, yes, but today 20 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: we are talking about religious horror. As we've teased, we've 21 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: been mentioning that we were going to get into and yeah, 22 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: we have talked about this a lot in various ways, 23 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: so you can see our religious trauma episodes. I would 24 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: say The Witch, the movie The Craft, maybe Women in Colts, 25 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: which was a two parter, Alien which was our first 26 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: feminist movie, Friday No, I love It, Jennifer's Body, Mexican Gothic, 27 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: Final Girl, an episode about what girls are, Witch Poyitation, 28 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: the episode why Didn't You Believe Her? Black Christmas A 29 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: Quiet Place, and Blair Witch, the Blair Witch Project. Those 30 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: are just some We have touched on this a lot. 31 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: It's just a huge genre. And also none of the 32 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: things we're going to talk about are sponsors, and there 33 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: are going to be some spoilers. We're basically having a 34 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: conversation about some big themes we see in these religious 35 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: horror movies. Largely movies, but it is. I was reading 36 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: about religious horror and comics and apparently that's a huge thing, 37 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: religious horror and games. You've heard me talk about Silent 38 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: Hill f recently, which. 39 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: I guess we had that graphic novel well, the cultish twist. 40 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, down Low, Yeah, that was real dark. I loved 41 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: it though, but it was obviously. 42 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: Sick when they like it's very religious. It's kind of 43 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: like almost to that level of like we may eventually 44 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: talk about the Masons, but like kind of in that 45 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: conversation of like mel dominated cults. Yeah, yeah, it happens 46 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: with that, Yes, And that. 47 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: Was part of the issue of making this wrangling this 48 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: into an episode, was you know, you can it was 49 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: just hard, mean a lot of things. 50 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but talking thinking about like graphic novels 51 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: and like comics and I'm like, yeah, oh yeah, that 52 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: was We've had a few we have. 53 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: And I would actually like to you know, Unfortunately, Samantha, 54 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm afraid this might become a bit of a series 55 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: because we are largely. 56 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: Mine. 57 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, this doesn't because I did find a lot of 58 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: great resources about comics and video games in this arena 59 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: that I didn't have time to get into because there's 60 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: already plenty with just movies. Yeah, and today we are 61 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: primarily focusing on Western Christian religious horror. We do have 62 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: a few other examples, but I would love to explore, uh, 63 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: not that, because I think there are a lot of 64 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: examples of not that, and I would just need to 65 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: give them more time. But because this is something this 66 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: is a genre I'm very familiar with I think you're 67 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: very familiar with Sama. 68 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is probably the one that I would lean 69 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: towards as a preference. And maybe this has everything to 70 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: do with my psyche and like unlearning slash stepping away 71 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: from Christianity and especially Western Christianity in general, coming from 72 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 2: an Appalachian town. 73 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but okay, before we get into the conversation, 74 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, because I feel like we 75 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: both do like this genre, why do you think you 76 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: like it? Even though I feel neither of us are 77 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: very religious? 78 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: Right again, there's something okay, I think this is far 79 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: enough removed from me, as in like when I see 80 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: murder and slashers and men coming like those kind of depictions, 81 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: it kind of feels too heavy. I don't know if 82 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: that's my own trauma whatever coming into religion and understanding 83 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: religion as I do, as well as the fact that I, 84 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: I mean, like I do believe there are bad vibes 85 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: I'll say it that way in many realms, but at 86 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: the same time, like me being a little more agnostic 87 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: more than anything else, feels like it's a little bit 88 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: more removed, But at the same time it feels also explanatory, 89 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: Like there's sometimes like it feels a little more explanatory, 90 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: and most of the time I feel like these movies 91 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: don't as so I have a happy ending, but they 92 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: have a conclusion that makes sense. Yeah, so maybe that's 93 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: what I mean. Like there's so many reasons I might 94 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: just like, again, the fantasy level of what it is 95 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: has just enough jump scares to get me there, as 96 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: in like the fear level. But also again like I 97 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: don't know much about like a lot of them are 98 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: Catholic revolving for some odd reason. Yeah, I thought I was, like, 99 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: we didn't talk about talk to Catholics about this level, 100 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: especially when it comes like possession and such. So seeing 101 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: like that kind of feels removed maybe fictional enough for 102 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: me because I don't know a lot about Catholicism. Maybe 103 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: what about you. 104 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I I think that a lot of it, And 105 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: we're going to talk about this and I have talked 106 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: about it before on the show. 107 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: But I was I did truly used to be afraid 108 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: of hell, Like I was very very scared. My mom 109 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't let me have the Exorcist in the house, Like, 110 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: would not let me have it in the house, and 111 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: so it felt very real to me. But after I 112 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: sort of moved on and became more atheistic, I just 113 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: it's like I recognize those signs. I recognize, like, even 114 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: if I don't necessarily believe it, I know what this 115 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: like holding up the cross is supposed to mean. I 116 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: know what saying this thing is supposed to be, and 117 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: I recognize the music of it. And I do think 118 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: a lot of elements of this, it is usually Catholic 119 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: faith that we're talking about, are very fear based, so 120 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: it makes sense to me. It makes sense, but it 121 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: does also feel and this has been purposeful, which we're 122 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: going to get into, but it feels very good versus evil. 123 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,559 Speaker 1: Here's how you triumph over the evil or maybe you don't, 124 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: but here's how you could. 125 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the obvious bad guys. Although I think 126 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: like a lot of the newer movies have started to 127 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: like cross the boundaries. Were we the bad guys? No? 128 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: You made us the bad guys? 129 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely absolutely, But there's I mean, I'll admit it, 130 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: like sometimes I just want to like, there's your good guy. 131 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: They won. 132 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: That's nice, right, And I. 133 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: Shouldn't be based on real stories because you figured it 134 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: out that the real people are not great. Yes, the 135 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 2: heroes are not great. 136 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're also going to get into for sure. 137 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: And so I also wanted to answer before we get 138 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: into this, why does this topic impact women marginalized people? 139 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: There are a lot of reasons why, uh it is 140 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: once we get into the sections on who gets possessed 141 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: and why, who has the power to help people? And 142 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: why are who are the villains and why? There are 143 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things that honestly, you could find so 144 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: much writing about this is not just us saying it's you, 145 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: but in this media, there are a lot of like 146 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: especially in this case, what we're going to be talking about. 147 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: You know, women, they're starting to feel sexual, right, that's 148 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: bad news. 149 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: Women are trying to be independent. How dare you? 150 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: How dare you? You don't believe in Jesus any other religion? 151 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: Oh no, you're not good? 152 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: Right? Or women were the problem to begin with, so 153 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: you know cursed? Yep. 154 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, So there are a lot of themes here that 155 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: I think I make it perfectly appropriate for us to 156 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: talk about on this show about that intersectional feminism. All right, 157 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: So when we're saying religious horror, it is a pretty 158 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: broad subject. But also in this case we are narrowing 159 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: in on something moral less specific as discussed previously. Yeah, 160 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: a lot of Western Christianity is scary. I've said before. 161 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with my D and D crew 162 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: where every single one of us, one of us not 163 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: being Christian, was like, I grew up afraid of this. 164 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: I grew up afraid of hell. If I did something bad, 165 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: this is where I would go. Even if I didn't 166 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: really believe it. There was a part of me that 167 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: couldn't let it go. I would lie awake at night 168 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: thinking about it. And horror movies are meant to quote, 169 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: scare the hell out of you, usually by imparting some 170 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: kind of moral lesson, which is pretty much what a 171 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: lot of religion is. You do this, you get punished 172 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: for it. A lot of them. A lot of these 173 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: movies you recognizable iconography and esthetics, so we kind of 174 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: recognize it. Oh, here's that church, here's how it looks. 175 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: So it's one of those, in a strange way, almost 176 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: comforting things because you're like, ah, I know this setting, 177 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: especially if you like the genre or something like that, 178 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: if that's something you're into. It also is a genre 179 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: that asks questions about death, and what happens after death, 180 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: if anything, which is something a lot of religions are 181 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: concerned with. Many of these films come with the message 182 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: that if you are faithful, if you believe again in Jesus. 183 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: Usually other religions are often painted as other and therefore 184 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: wrong or evil, you will be safe. Though that changes 185 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: based on the religion slash belief, and has been yes 186 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: changing in recent years. You've seen some new things in 187 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: recent years. This is a really enduring subset of the 188 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: horror genre. Many lists of Scariest Movies Ever made have 189 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: quite a handful of these religious horror type of movies 190 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: on there, and many of them, like The Extorcist, influence 191 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: films and other media that came after it, so they 192 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: had this huge impact. Here's a quote from Timothy Beale's 193 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: article The Horror, Religion and the Monstrous on film over 194 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: at the Berkeley Center for Religion, Peace and World Affairs 195 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: at Georgetown, which is famously where The Extorcists was filmed. Quote. 196 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: Horror films often serve as mythic battles of blessed order 197 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: against diabolical chaos. Most often these forces of chaos are 198 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: personified in terms of racial, ethnic, sexual and religious otherness 199 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: projected as monstrous threats to r familiar sense of order. 200 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: In the course of the film, viewers re enact the myth, 201 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: facing our monsters which seem to be winning for a 202 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: horrifically long time, and ultimately defeating them. In the process, 203 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: we are ritually purging ourselves of otherness, re establishing and 204 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: blessing the established social order eg. White Christian American patriarchal heteronormativity. 205 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: Such films put a face on otherwise vague, uneasiness and 206 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: unnamable insecurities to slay them and to send them back 207 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: to Hell where they belong, returning as to a sense 208 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: of security and safety. And the interesting thing about this is, 209 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: I've thought about this along for a long time when 210 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: it reminds me of Charmed. When I used to watch 211 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: Charmed or Buffy, like any show like that, there was 212 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: a like when you would kill the demon, they would 213 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: go up and ash, they would go back to Hell 214 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. But it was so clearly like supernatural. It 215 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: was super It didn't kill well, yeah, supernatural, but it 216 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: didn't kill them necessarily. It sent them back where they belonged, 217 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: so it didn't feel as like superhero movies. Do that too, 218 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: where it's like if they're robot villains, they're not human villains, 219 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So you don't have to 220 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: feel bad about them killing sending back this demon. And 221 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: I do think going back to that, you know, just 222 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: a nice good versus evil that fits into that nicely 223 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: of Okay, well I just sent them back where they belong. 224 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: I haven't done any ofthing. I haven't killed anybody. Yeah, 225 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: but this was uh so, this was actually a whole 226 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: series of articles that came out about this, and I 227 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: recommend them because they delve into a bunch of the 228 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: different They tackle a bunch of the different angles of 229 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: this topic. And they talked about how all of these 230 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: religious scholarly themes about having chaos and then having the 231 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: order that religion brings in. And that's sort of what 232 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: some of these movies are doing, where it's it's chaotic, 233 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: but here it comes your religion and now you have 234 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: some kind of control or something. Yes, all right, so 235 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: let us get started with the themes, some of the 236 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: big themes. All right, let's start with reproductive rights and 237 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: pregnancy and abortion. Yeah, let's go. So I've noticed a 238 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: lot of these right now, this is so big right now. 239 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind it's because of the 240 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: overturning of v. Wade and a continual assault on reproductive rights. 241 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: So the six justices who overturned Roe v. Wade are Catholic, 242 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: and the majority opinion included a seventeenth century quote from 243 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: a judge who hung women for witchcraft. So yeah, that 244 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: has been a thing that is happening in religious horror 245 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: right now. It's not necessarily new, it's just that there's 246 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: a lot of it. So examples I can think of Immaculate, 247 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: the first omen Rosemary's Baby, which first came out during 248 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: the anxiety around women's rights in the late sixties, Alien, 249 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: which first came out during the second wave of feminism, 250 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: also when a lot of slashers punishing sexually liberated women 251 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: started coming out. So Alien, I'll get into this more 252 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: in a second. If you're like, that's not a religious 253 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: movie in later ones, yes it is, It actually is. 254 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: But also also I think you can kind of expand 255 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: some of these themes outside of a strictly religious movie, 256 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: because it's one of those things you can't take out 257 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: of a culture that is raised in it, steeped in it, 258 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: it's very hard for us as the audience to not 259 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: see a movie like this and think about abortion and 260 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: how religion in our country in the US impacts abortion. 261 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: So that is the reason I included it. Also, I 262 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: love talking about Alien you all know it, but I 263 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: did think, you know, when it comes to these types 264 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: of movies. I've watched The Omen when I was way 265 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: to young, the original, and I just remember thinking, like 266 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: I wish they had killed the baby, and I felt 267 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: horrible for it. But it's the anti crisis, like the 268 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: Bad Seed. It's the opposite of what you're supposed to 269 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: feel with the Virgin Mary and Jesus. And the horror 270 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: of it in quotes is that the woman in this 271 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 1: usually in this case, in this trope, is like, I 272 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: can't kill the baby because I saw it as the baby. 273 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: I just can't do it. I have my maternal instincts 274 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: refuse to allow me to do it. 275 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: Like some many of them are like, and they eat 276 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: the mother or they eat away. Yeah, and for the 277 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: sake of but they can't say no because that's their child. 278 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it's it's miserable. Like don't get 279 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm not like I can't wait to see 280 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: the death of this child, right, But but it is 281 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: I likes Auntie crist and you built it up to me, right, 282 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: this horrific child that has killed all these people. 283 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: Right, Like, But that's kind of interesting because a lot 284 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: of them and maybe it's kind of like the Left 285 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: Behind series in my head, I know that's just like 286 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: this correlation. But in this mind that they that the 287 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 2: people who think they're right are creating this and like 288 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: we're saving these things, but these things in the you know, 289 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: are the ones that ends them. 290 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 291 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 2: It's like they like they believe that they're going to 292 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: be saved by this white man and accordant left behind 293 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 2: is the white man that's the anti Christ, you know, 294 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: like yeah, which I'm like, you might not be so 295 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: wrong about that one, you know where you go. But 296 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: also in that same level of like these are the 297 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: children and what is that you know that that quote 298 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: what if you this is the one that can kill cancer? 299 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: You know that? Have you heard that line? I love it? 300 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: But in the end, they're actually the ones that bring 301 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: about the death and apocalypse of everything. 302 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it is a lot of these 303 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: things we're going to talk about. I get why they're 304 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: so effective and horrific, like that is a. 305 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 2: Horrible It is interesting again with this really trauma because 306 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: you talk you specifically talk about the anti Christ, the 307 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: bad seed, being like orphans because they know that they 308 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: cannot not have the space. But this baby's gonna be bad, 309 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: so they go ahead and give it away and put 310 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: it in an orphanage, and they steal into being the 311 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: bad guy, the villain. H even Harry Potter had that 312 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: kind of ideal in that like Tom whatever his name is, 313 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: Riddle was was the orphan because he was not good enough, 314 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 2: but he was also evil, that's true, and he grew 315 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 2: into being more evil and the one who ended it all. 316 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: I did find an interesting article because in general, adoption 317 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 2: is the idea of outcast orphan. You know, that conversation 318 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: of being othered, the jokes that siblings play on each other, like, 319 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: oh you were adopted, just to make sure you you know, 320 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: Like that's the zinger. I did find an article on 321 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: Charizon dot com where they talk about the newest movie 322 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 2: which I haven't seen this movie yet and I don't 323 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: think it's religious horror again, you tell me bring her back. 324 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: Have you seen this movie yet? 325 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Yes, I have. 326 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: Okay, is it really horror? 327 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: I guess you could make that argument. It is a 328 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: brutal movie, though, that okay messed me up. 329 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: All Right, I'm not gonna watch it. And either you 330 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: said this because I did think about it because of 331 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: the picture for the icon for it, I'm like, oh interesting, 332 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: but anyway, but this is like they are talking about 333 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: this movie and Mariam Balinesco, I'm sorry if I said 334 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 2: your name, but she talks about the idea of orphans again, 335 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: like how this is coming back round, which I feel 336 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: like they've never gone away, but you know that could 337 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: be me. And she does say this specifically in relations 338 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: to orphans and the kind of like cults in religion, 339 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: films like The Omen in nineteen seventy six, which were 340 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 2: there's so many films with orphans and religion and again 341 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: the anti Christ, the Christ, the Savior, the not Savior, 342 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: whatever has happening, or the reason that the mothers went crazy, 343 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: which is a whole different another thing. Yeah, films like 344 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: The Omen nineteen seventy six whip up fears that there's 345 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: something inanely wicked about taking in a child that isn't yours. 346 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: That movie's five year old infant interloper is able to 347 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: derail not only the conservative American family, but destroy the 348 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: pillars of US politics, which we're not talking about, but 349 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: I think again we probably should. In the full corp 350 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: Children of the corn An entire society of scythe wielding 351 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: orphans run amook, guided only by pagan ritual. Meanwhile, the 352 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: eerie orphan setting has spawned a horror subgenre all of 353 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: its own, but it does kind of bring back that 354 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: conversation of like, what are these things they are disrupting? 355 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: The perfect family? The orphan The actual movie talks about this. 356 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: Also the woman ends up being a woman spoiler. I 357 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: don't know if you haven't seen, because I think there's 358 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: like four more since then. Yeah, they actually did an 359 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: SVU episode kind of like it, but not horror level. 360 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 2: But anyway, all these things in this conversation of like 361 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: what is the bad Sea the Antichrist again that is 362 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: disrupting what is wholesome and pure, even though the reason 363 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: they exist is everything to do with the reproductive laws 364 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: that they have put into place again and since then 365 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: is an interesting back and forth in this conversation because adoption, 366 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: which is the easy throwout for pro lifers slash pro birthers, 367 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: but at the same time they also think that's not 368 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: somewhat evil and that these children are not pure. 369 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I also uh wanted to mention this 370 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: because of what I read about the First Omen, which 371 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: has been a long time since I've seen that one, 372 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: but not the first because that actually is a movie. 373 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the first actual OMEN the 374 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: original referenced. Yes, yes, but also in the conversations we've 375 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: had about how conservatives try to use that as like 376 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: adoption and abortion in their argument, and that I think 377 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: that's why it is relevant in this conversation about religious horror, 378 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: because when we watch the movies, you see that playing 379 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: out in our politics and in our religion, those kind 380 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: of fears and ideas that get perpetuated. So yeah, that's 381 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: it's interesting and upsetting that that has had such a 382 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: lasting effect. And I remember I used to work on 383 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: the show's stuff to blow your mind. I've never seen 384 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: there's actually a movie called The Bad Seed, and they 385 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: did a whole episode on it, and I remember what 386 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: they talked about it. I've never seen it, but I 387 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: it was it was upsetting, Like I remember thinking like, oh, 388 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: my God. There's also something to be said about the 389 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: scary child who just right, children have been made into 390 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: we're afraid of kids. I think that's we can say 391 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: this in horror movies. 392 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: So the article going back to it, they literally say, 393 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: so bring her back is far more realistic in the 394 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: litany of portrayals of orphans and horror that have proceeded, 395 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: where a child's worst side is often explained away by 396 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 2: the occult or possession by the devil. So reason like, literally, 397 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: there's no other explanation for a bad kid who are 398 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: typically orphans other than they're the devil and they're possessed right. 399 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's another topic we're going to get 400 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: into later. But that movie also deals with grieving mother, 401 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: the greeving mother trop. 402 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: Yes it does, and the bad father apparently the absent father, 403 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 2: which yeah, we're going to talk about a little bit too. 404 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: So yep, so much to discuss. Okay, So I again 405 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: going back to Alien. As I said, there are a 406 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: lot of very weird religious elements in newer alien movies. 407 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: Usually it's a man, a very rich man, who might 408 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: remind you of a certain other man that exists actual 409 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: who thinks that he understands religion better than anyone. He 410 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: understands where the meaning of life and where it came 411 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: from and all of this stuff. And I have a 412 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: lot of surprise to no one. I have a lot 413 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: of thoughts about Alien. I some of the movies I 414 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't say are good, but I do think they all 415 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: have something interesting to say. I think they all have 416 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: something interesting to say. There is a pretty graphic, what 417 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: I would consider abortion scene in one of them, and Prometheus, 418 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: which is probably the most religious one. And so if 419 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: you don't remember, if you didn't listen to that episode 420 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: when we first talked about Alien, but there's a lot 421 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: of When it first came out, it was very It 422 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: disturbed a lot of people for a lot of reasons, 423 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: but it brought up these conversations about male rape and 424 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: the horror of having to give birth. A lot of 425 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: people have rightfully pointed out, like, it's interesting that we 426 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: focus on the male part of it because women just 427 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with it, right exactly, But it was, 428 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: it was very horrific, and it was a child, a 429 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: thing inside you you didn't want, you never asked for, 430 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: and had to carry to birth and would kill you 431 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: likely would kill you. And so in the recent alien 432 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: movie Alien Bromulus. 433 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: Spoilers, Yeah, I haven't watched it. 434 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: Isabella Marsad's character does. She's pregnant, but then she gets 435 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: like also alien pregnant, so she gives birth to like 436 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: a human alien highpers superchild. Okay, and that kills her. 437 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: Obviously. 438 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of people brought I was kind 439 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: of surprised how many people brought it up. And when 440 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: I was researching, you know, what's up with all the 441 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: reproductive rights horror movies, and it came up. But she, 442 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: I mean, it was also a thing where like maybe 443 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: she had she wanted that child, but then it became 444 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: deadly to her and she couldn't there's nothing she could 445 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: do when she just died. 446 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: So many of that quip like and so many like 447 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: Supernatural has that with the Antichrist. Yeah, also, yeah, a 448 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: lot of like you have to die, the sacrifice is 449 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: obviously going to be you and and we're all going 450 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: to celebrate this, which again. 451 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Choices Well, interesting that you say that. Okay, this is 452 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: this is a new thing. I did not know about 453 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: this whole thing. This is why I bought a quiet 454 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: place up in past episodes you should re listen to 455 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: or listen to all right. So apparently when A Quiet 456 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: Place came out, there was a big conservative anti choice 457 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: movement saying it was, in their words, pro life. Because 458 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen that movie, spoilers can. Emily Blunt's 459 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: character gives birth to a baby in it and she 460 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: has to be silent because that's the whole plot of 461 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: the movie. And so you know they're saying these quote 462 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: pro lifers are saying the kid was born, so God 463 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: was looking out for them. That must be it. When 464 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: if you think about it, they another kid died, another 465 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: kid died, and they also the family didn't have safe 466 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: access to abortion. They really didn't have a choice. 467 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: They didn't have a choice. 468 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: Also, they kind of like, I don't know what they 469 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: did in previous life, it probably says in one of 470 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: the other movies, but they clearly knew what was up, 471 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: like they had they I knew how to make that 472 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: like case with the oxygen in it for the baby, 473 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: so they wouldn't hit like they were clearly well off. 474 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: They also had to sacrifice a father. 475 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: Like yes, and the conservative people were like, this is 476 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: it everybody. 477 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: I mean, that would be the epitome of pro birth. Literally, 478 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: another child died and the person died. 479 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but they were all into it. I had 480 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: no idea. So here's a quote from this website Desiring 481 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: God about the whole thing. Horror films taking place in 482 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: abortion clinics across the US and around the world, Silent 483 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: assassinations and stale rooms. They wear white coats, They make 484 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: death a business. They snatched children from deceived mothers who 485 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: tragically pay to have them taken away. We live in 486 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: a society full of this movie's monsters, and they seem 487 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: so ordinary against all the loud, pink pro choice banners 488 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: around us. A quiet place stands for human lives worth 489 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: sacrificing for pink. 490 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: Why don't they like pink? That's been that of random. 491 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: Well, I'm assuming this came out maybe around I don't 492 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: remember when this movie came out. Maybe it was around 493 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: the twenty sixty election. 494 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: But was it because they were the pink hats or something? 495 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's my first thought, But I don't know. 496 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: It could just be women like pink and we hate women. 497 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: It could be gendered. 498 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: It's also gendered like yeah, dack on color. 499 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're We're gonna get into this later, probably 500 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: in part two, but I find it very fascinating the 501 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: gall to be like the horror that's happening in these 502 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: abortion centers, when they have crisis pregnancy centers that are 503 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: literally playing horror movies and deceiving people. 504 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: Right, deceiving well those I love that. This whole thing 505 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: sounds like the beginning of when we were talking about 506 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: those horror haunted houses or those horror houses scare houses 507 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 2: that were literally about going to hell, that they were 508 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: going to get together. That's what it sounds like. But 509 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: that's exactly had like someone just this is the descriptor 510 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: they had for their abortion clinic, quote unquote scary house 511 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: before going to hell. 512 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And I have to say, like I watching 513 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: that movie, which I did enjoy, I never would have thought. 514 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: The only thing I thought was they have to survive. 515 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: There was no part of me that was like is 516 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: this All I felt was like, I'm glad she didn't die. 517 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: If right, I'm like, oh that's not good. That's she's right. 518 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: It is a scary thing, exactly exactly. Well, apparently that's 519 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: not what a lot of other conservatives thought. And I 520 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: just want to shout out thanks to Sarah Lynn Missioners. Missioners. 521 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing that closer correctly. Article on Medium, 522 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: the irony that conservatives think a horror film was pro 523 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: life reminds us how little they value life for this, 524 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: because that's I got the quote. I didn't have to 525 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: go to this website. I got the quote from there. 526 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: Oh. I was like, as you're oh, you got lucky. 527 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: I was thinking, you're about to get all the bad 528 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: man no sacrifice search engine. 529 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 1: My algorithm not yet, not for this. It. That article 530 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: is great. I recommend it. It is full of righteous matriol, 531 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: and I love it. 532 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: Very angry. 533 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, a very very good. 534 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: Okay. 535 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: Another thing I wanted to talk about in here that 536 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: I see cheme up a lot in these types of 537 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: movies is kind of the whole not having sex thing 538 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: or being married to Jesus, which I guess we should 539 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: have also brought up the virgin d episodes. Can listen 540 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: to those as well. 541 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: Interestingly, for some reason, when I was trying to look 542 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 2: up about like single mothers and abortion or like orphans, 543 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: it really wanted to talk about nuns. The nuns either 544 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: being the protagonist or the antagonists. 545 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, nuns do come up a lot in this. I 546 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: feel like we're just giving you a bunch of teasers, 547 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: but we are going to talk about that as well. 548 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, we have discussed the trope, the 549 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: very powerful belief in these movies and amongst people who 550 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: are religious, but in the power of virgins, or the 551 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: power of the uncorrupted and the power of corrupting them 552 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: in the case of evil. So evil. Yes. So here's 553 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: a quote about the First Omen from Dread Central from 554 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: the article The First Omen the Perfect Religion Horror Movie 555 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: by Mary Beth McAndrews. This is especially true in Stevenson's 556 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: direct and unabashed betrayal of sexual assault at the hands 557 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: of men and encouraged by other women. Importantly, assault here 558 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: isn't framed as titillating or as a spectacle, but rather 559 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: as violence that destroys the person mentally, emotionally, and physically. 560 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: One such scene is Luzz's vow ceremony, where she takes 561 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: the veil in a gorgeous wedding dress symbolizing her wedding 562 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: to Christ, but as other nuns tie on her wimple, 563 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: Stevenson frames the ceremony as a form of sexual violence 564 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: rather than a moment of joy, Loz whimpers and pain 565 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: as the strings Titan and she lies prostrate on the floor. 566 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: So often religious horror wants to examine the male psyche 567 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: and faith with women simply fodder for the devil that 568 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: need to be saved by the strong man of God. 569 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, so this whole article was about the author 570 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: talks about their own experience with religion and sexual assaults 571 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: and about water this movie where it does frame it 572 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: because again, like you know, we've been taught this generally, 573 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: women have been taught getting married great thing, wonderful thing. 574 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: And when you tie in religion to it, then you're 575 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: adding that sort of religious morality to it. Then when 576 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: you're tying in like I'm getting married to Jesus, then 577 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: it's a whole other level. But in this case, in 578 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: this movie, which was an American woman who went to 579 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: Italy for this and by the way, I've seen this movie. 580 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about it more in a second. 581 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: This was it was interesting because she really wanted this life, 582 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: and they were the ones that were like, let's lure 583 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: her out into the clubs, Like to the people at 584 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: the church, we're trying to let's get her impregnated. It's 585 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: very dark, very very dark. Here is a quote from 586 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: a Din of Geek article by David Crowe called Immaculate 587 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: the First Omen and the blessed rise of pro choice 588 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: horror movies. Thus, in a real subversion of the film's 589 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 1: religious horror roots, Margaret discovers her paternal church father secretly 590 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: raised her and nurtured her with the intention of always 591 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: seeing her impregnated by a familiar of the devil, a 592 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: demonic jackal who we learn was also Margaret's father. In 593 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: other words, because the film's church believes it will empower 594 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 1: their institution if the anti Christ appears and thereby cause 595 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: a secular world to return to Catholicism for salvation, they 596 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: forced Margaret to carry to term an unwanted child that 597 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: was created by both rape and incest. The church even 598 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: aids this defilement by drugging her like the witches in 599 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: Rosemary's Baby and offering her body up to violation by 600 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: a demon who is also her own father. Yeah, that's 601 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: a first Shoman. So they brought this up specifically because 602 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: the old conservative argument has so long been you know, 603 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: except for case of rape and incest, but this one 604 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: was like, no, even then, this church doesn't care. Nobody, 605 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: Actually you can this. Yeah, m I watched this movie 606 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: with my mom, I just want to say, and she was. 607 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: She would just ask me these random questions. But I 608 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: remember at one point she just said, suddenly, did that 609 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: man's head fall off? 610 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 2: You know, there's moments when there's so many incredible, ridiculous 611 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 2: things happening that you just can't help but one part 612 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 2: of like, no, that doesn't make sense. 613 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: I don't think if I asked her today, I doubt 614 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: she could remember anything about it except for that scene, 615 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,479 Speaker 1: because it was just that's not her thing. Like I said, 616 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: she didn't like didn't let me have The Exorcist in 617 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: the house. She hated movie Constantine when I made her 618 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: take me to see it in theater. 619 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 2: Rule I kind of forget about that one. 620 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that movie. I didn't too, but she 621 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: did not like it. But she watched this for me 622 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: with me for whatever reason. Uh, she didn't complain about it. 623 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 2: So there's an interesting thing with all of these religious 624 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 2: horror that it has everything to do with the apocalypse 625 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 2: or the rapture or any of those things happening, and 626 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 2: they want to instigate it. So many of the good 627 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 2: guys become villains because they're trying to instigate or punish 628 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 2: in the name of God by doing these things, which 629 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 2: is an interesting Constantine did the same thing Gabriel. Was 630 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 2: that the angel that she did? But like, it's like, 631 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 2: is it not the only one? There's so many in 632 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 2: this conversation that they would be deemed as the good 633 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 2: people causing the chaos again. 634 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so Immaculate and the first Omen came 635 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: out at the same time, like very close together, and 636 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: they're similar in a lot of ways. I would say 637 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: the first Omen I preferred, but I like the ending 638 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 1: of Immaculate better. 639 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 2: So it's the first omen in relation to the Omen. Yes, 640 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 2: because I've never seen this, but this plot line sounds 641 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 2: really familiar, I'll say. 642 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's hindered by the fact that it 643 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: is part of a forty year old franchise. I think so, 644 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 1: And it's a prequel, so she's given to the. 645 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 2: Date. Yes, because isn't there a movie called Damien in 646 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 2: that franchise as well? 647 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: I think so. It's a long running franchise and it 648 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: also has several spin offs and several comedy spin offs 649 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: as well, but I will say Immaculate did have the 650 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: kill the baby ending that I well, there's that. Yeah, yeah, 651 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,959 Speaker 1: but they were they were very similar. And also both 652 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: of them did hammer on the point that it was 653 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,959 Speaker 1: like mostly men in power, but women were also helping 654 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: perpetrate these things, so it was not just yeah baby 655 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: mm hm, yes, indeed, okay this but mother. Yes I 656 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: didn't even put mother in here, but yes, absolutely, I 657 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: have a quick Nosferatu aside the new one. I have 658 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: not seen it, okay, So I wanted to do a 659 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: whole episode on it because I had so many thoughts 660 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: when I watched it. We might still I don't know, 661 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: but I was so fascinated by it because on the 662 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: one hand, it had so many it's it's interesting when 663 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: you see a movie that has so many of these 664 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: ideas that like, she needs her husband, that's the problem, 665 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: and then you have like the Nosratu, which I've seen 666 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: the original it's been a minute, but there's this whole 667 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 1: idea of like that sexy virginal maiden. You have sex 668 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: with them, and then you're the only one that can 669 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: redeem them or the salvation that's the only thing. And 670 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: then the interesting thing is too if you haven't seen 671 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: Noseratu and you were very interested in because it's the 672 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: same as the prequel. So I feel like the spoiler's 673 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: part is kind of out the window because that movie's ancient. 674 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: But if you really want to let me spoil, then 675 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: just skip two minutes. But you know, she basically offers 676 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: up her body and they have sex until sunrise, and 677 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: he dies because he can't resist her because he's a 678 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: vampire and not Seratu. 679 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 2: She kills. 680 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: She kills someone sex, but she also dies. She also dies. 681 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 2: Well good, I guess. 682 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: And so I got to the end of it and 683 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: I was like, is this a sex positive movie? Because 684 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out the whole time, she's thinking 685 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: about this vampire who at a young age she felt 686 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: kind of some attraction too, not necessarily sexual, but she 687 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: felt some kind of attraction too, and she has all 688 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: these men in her life that are really controlling and 689 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: all this stuff, and she made the decision. But I mean, 690 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 1: but at the same time, like they had sex until 691 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: they both died. 692 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. So the way you're describing it just 693 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 2: sounds like it's just a horny movie. The people. 694 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm probably doing a bad job at describing it, 695 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: but that is ending. It's a long movie, man, though 696 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of other things that happened. So I 697 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: have another quote from that Berkeley Center Georgetown series, and 698 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: this is about the original. Some may read ellen sacrifice 699 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: through the lens of Christian models of devotion, paradigms often 700 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: specifically gendered and gory and sexualized representations of the suffering 701 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: of female saints and martyrs. However, it's notable that the 702 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 1: male figures we meet in the film are incredibly passive 703 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: victims of the vampire, or are simply ineffectual. Perhaps more interesting, 704 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: given the perennial patriarchal need to control female sexuality, Ellen 705 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: feels drawn to the vampire throughout the film. The narrative 706 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: allows a woman not only to show desire, but also 707 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: to direct it toward an image of alterity, the inhuman 708 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: face and form of Noceratu. So I guess you know what. 709 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: You can also listen to our episode on women art Monsters. 710 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I always like to call That's what I 711 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 2: come back to. 712 00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: Nosratu is such a doo soo. Anyway, I would love 713 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: to come back and talk about it. I wrote like 714 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: a whole outlined. Before I'd even asked about that, I 715 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:14,240 Speaker 1: was like, no, I got some thoughts about this. 716 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 2: Is this an essay that you're going to put into 717 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 2: as an outline? 718 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: Maybe recently, when Joey was on the show and we 719 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: talked about New York Comic Con afterwards, they were like, 720 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: you should publish these essays, and I said, I don't 721 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: who wants these essays. I think they're just for me. 722 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't think they're for anybody else. But if we 723 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: do an episode, I'm. 724 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 2: Ready, that's going to be the essay. Let's go. 725 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,800 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I do want to say there are also 726 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: actual horror movies that are very much in the vein 727 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: of like, you know, you're bad Christian horror movies that 728 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: do depict women who have had abortions going to home. 729 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 2: That is the same ones that sexualize women to the 730 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 2: point of like, oh, all they care about is. 731 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,919 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So that does exist. I honestly don't really 732 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: want to give any more. I don't want to shout 733 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: any title, shout out any titles or anything, but that 734 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: is a thing that exists. I would say it's probably 735 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 1: pretty similar to what you might see in a Crisis 736 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: Pregnancy Center. And lastly, before we close out on this 737 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: part one of our religious horror study, we did mention 738 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: recently we've been talking about marriage horror. You can see 739 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: our episodes on Silent Hill f for that, which isn't 740 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: really religious, but it's I feel like when I personally 741 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,879 Speaker 1: think of marriage, at least for a long time, I've 742 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: associated it with religion here in the US, So for me, 743 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: a lot of marriage horror does feel slightly religious. Examples, 744 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: I could think of Ready or Not as a kind 745 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: of satanic cult religious aspect to it, where they're you 746 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: might have to sacrifice this bride depending on what happens 747 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: with the game that we're playing Midsommar. They're not married necessarily. 748 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 2: But I think something about relationship. 749 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: Bad relationship, and kind of a cult thing going on, 750 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: So I could I see that in religious horror, and 751 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 1: then loss of a partner in general leading to some 752 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: kind of possession or hunting. I think that's a big, 753 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: a big trope, and I've actually been reading about it recently, 754 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,280 Speaker 1: and I wanted to do another episode on mental health 755 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: and horror, but it just it's spiraled out of control, 756 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: so I couldn't couldn't do it for now, but you know, 757 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: that's sort of like the grief aspect, which is something 758 00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 1: we're going to pick up on in part two. But 759 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: I think we should. We should probably call it for now, Okay, yes, 760 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: because we do have a lot more to get into 761 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: and listeners. If you have any anything you would like 762 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: for us to talk about, our examples you want to 763 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: shout out, please let us know. You can email us 764 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: at Hello at stuff Iever Told You dot com. You 765 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: can find us on blue Sky at mom Stuff Podcasts, 766 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: or on Instagram and TikTok at Stuff I've Never Told You. 767 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: You can also find us on YouTube. We have a 768 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: new merchandise a cop bureau, and we have a book 769 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 1: you can get wherever you get your books. Thanks as 770 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: always too, our super producer Christina, our executive prdu of 771 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: my and a contributor Joey. Thank you and thanks to 772 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: you for listening Stuff I've Never Told You prediction of 773 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, 774 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 1: you can check out the heart Radio app, Apple podcast 775 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: or if you listen to your favorite shows,