Speaker 1: As media.
Speaker 2: All right, Terrorform, the series we're doing of amazing dope
Speaker 2: folks doing dope stuff. We got a pod crossover today.
Speaker 2: I reached out to me from a show called Woke
Speaker 2: af and I really was like, all right, let me
Speaker 2: see if she means the actual meaning of woke or.
Speaker 3: Some sort of gentrifieder.
Speaker 2: So I listened to a few episodes and was like,
Speaker 2: oh no, Danielle ain't playing this is the correct meaning
Speaker 2: of what. So we did this crossover episode. This is
Speaker 2: part of the Terrorform series of people actually putting out
Speaker 2: dope stuff.
Speaker 3: She's not playing around. She has.
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways the same desires we do
Speaker 2: with the politics. So we essentially interviewed each other and
Speaker 2: are bringing our audiences.
Speaker 3: To each other.
Speaker 2: So this is a crossover episode. It's in their feed
Speaker 2: too for wo KF Daily.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, I forgot.
Speaker 2: I was supposed to be doing this all year, but
Speaker 2: I just wasn't consistent about the look. It's like this
Speaker 2: episode where I try to keep up with what's happening currently,
Speaker 2: even though the podcast recordings are kind of banked. So
Speaker 2: bringing this part back, my bad. What looks like this
Speaker 2: cue to music.
Speaker 4: Bull look is like this bull look is like this
Speaker 4: bull look is like this bulliek is like this.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this week, y'all, it's so much happened, and
Speaker 2: it's happening. Let's do the messy stuff. I can't believe
Speaker 2: CNN was being so messy. CNN out here looking like
Speaker 2: the shade room. They got the video of p Diddy
Speaker 2: whooping homegirl tale Like, Okay, I'm joking about the fact
Speaker 2: that it's on CNN.
Speaker 3: What happened is not a joke.
Speaker 2: If we talked about this when the year started, right
Speaker 2: that Diddy, y'all, Houston been raided, right his ex girl
Speaker 2: brought allegations against him for abuse, you know, sexual is
Speaker 2: It's like his sexual prowess has became a meme. Like
Speaker 2: now it's no Diddy rather than Sam pause, which is
Speaker 2: quite homophobic.
Speaker 3: Point is he done so? Right now?
Speaker 2: He was denying all the stuff categorically false, and then
Speaker 2: apparently he had paid fifty k to this hotel to
Speaker 2: make sure that this video don't come out.
Speaker 3: Video come out.
Speaker 2: This man in his towel doing diabolical nasty work. She
Speaker 2: trying to lead, She's basically she's trying to leave this
Speaker 2: hotel room she's at the elevator. This man with the
Speaker 2: towel wrapped around his waist grabs her by the head
Speaker 2: and throws her down, kicks her while she's down. I like,
Speaker 2: I won't add any extra commentary to it, because it's
Speaker 2: obvious what's going on here. Video comes out, He goes
Speaker 2: on his TikTok on some like y'all, darkest moment in
Speaker 2: my life, the wrongest thing I've ever done. I make
Speaker 2: no excuse. I was in a dark place. I've since
Speaker 2: gone to therapy. I'm trying to be a better man.
Speaker 2: It doesn't excuse it.
Speaker 3: I was wrong.
Speaker 2: I take full responsibility, and think whatever you want about that,
Speaker 2: we shall soon see. I just I can't imagine ever
Speaker 2: being mad at anyone that much love, let alone a
Speaker 2: female at all. Now, maybe there's parts of you know,
Speaker 2: misogyny or patriarchy that I still carry. I just can't
Speaker 2: imagine any scenario where I will ever put my hands
Speaker 2: on a girl. There are times, like I would say,
Speaker 2: short of hurting my children, I would stop you from
Speaker 2: hurting my children. But like, but this right here is
Speaker 2: is out of here. You can't out of here?
Speaker 3: All right. I'll do some commentary on this later in
Speaker 3: a full episode.
Speaker 2: Next, Marjorie Taylor Green messed around and found out you
Speaker 2: done popped off at you got the right one. This
Speaker 2: time you popped off at the wrong system.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: So, Marjorie Taylor Green was popping off in one of
Speaker 2: the Senate hearings, just mouthing off, mouthing off, and then
Speaker 2: she made a comment about Congresswoman Jasmine Why am I
Speaker 2: blanking on that? Oh Jasmine Crockett. So she popped off
Speaker 2: in her AOC jumped in as black and Brown unity
Speaker 2: is supposed to be to be like, yo, you super
Speaker 2: out of pocket talking about homegirls eyelashes. How dare you
Speaker 2: come at somebody's like physical appearance when we're trying to
Speaker 2: be professional here. So eventually when it's when it's Jasmine's turn,
Speaker 2: she was like, hey, look, I just want to make
Speaker 2: it clear, like is it okay Like if I were
Speaker 2: to say, uh, bleach Bond, bad built, butch body, is
Speaker 2: that okay to say into the in this in the
Speaker 2: halls of Congress.
Speaker 3: Just listen.
Speaker 2: You gotta understand, we've been clapping back since we were children,
Speaker 2: Like we know how to There's nothing you can say
Speaker 2: to us. Black people know how to clap back at
Speaker 2: all time. We were trained in the asylum that is
Speaker 2: our families. You do not understand how good we are
Speaker 2: at clapping back. That's what we do. Don't try to
Speaker 2: pop off. Listen, you gonna You're gonna get cooked. That's
Speaker 2: what we do. Jasmine cook that girl, she said, I
Speaker 2: got time today. Next, what you need to think about
Speaker 2: and know about is the International Court of Justice is
Speaker 2: ready to put out a warrant for arrest for Benjamin
Speaker 2: Thatt and Yahoo and one of the other cabinet members,
Speaker 2: basically saying you have committed crimes against humanity. You have
Speaker 2: committed war crimes by using starvation as a war tactic.
Speaker 3: Now listen very carefully.
Speaker 2: That is not an accusation of genocide, because genocide, like
Speaker 2: we say said in the you wasn't outside, but South
Speaker 2: Africa was episode. Genocide has a very specific definition that
Speaker 2: has to do with intent. You're listening and that claim
Speaker 2: or or even if it was an active genocide that
Speaker 2: would be towards the state, you would be bringing that
Speaker 2: claim against the State of Israel. This particular thing is
Speaker 2: an arrest for the person of Nets and Yahoo.
Speaker 3: You have committed these.
Speaker 2: Now there are other cabinet members right now that's like yo,
Speaker 2: which we're gonna do a whole episode on that's like, look,
Speaker 2: if you don't change, if you don't change your ways,
Speaker 2: I'm stepping down. You have no exit strategy for this,
Speaker 2: you have no there's no plan for after the bomb stopped, Like,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? How are you gonna rebuild?
Speaker 2: You have nothing. You have no plans for this, bbe.
Speaker 2: This is just all destruction. You're all gas, no breaks, Like,
Speaker 2: what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Bro? This is absurd.
Speaker 2: So there's like a split even among the Israeli government
Speaker 2: that like everybody don't agree, which should for some of
Speaker 2: us feel good to hear that they not united as
Speaker 2: a government in what they're doing. Give us some little
Speaker 2: bit of hope that, like, everybody ain't crazy over there,
Speaker 2: which we should have.
Speaker 3: Known, because it's just like America, everybody ain't crazy. We
Speaker 3: all wouldn't.
Speaker 2: We all wouldn't for everything we've done right, And it's
Speaker 2: just good to know that every nation is like that.
Speaker 2: Everybody ain't nobody really be on one accord out this mud. Also,
Speaker 2: the president and Foreign Minister of Iran died in a
Speaker 2: helicopter crash. Bro, this is big. Now, he is not
Speaker 2: the Supreme Leader. That's the Ayatola. Now that man is
Speaker 2: still alive, right, and again Iran is ran by the
Speaker 2: Islamic Republic, which now listen, just I said this before,
Speaker 2: just because it's called.
Speaker 3: Islamic, don't mean that it is.
Speaker 2: You could call you name something whatever you want to
Speaker 2: name it, right, but this is a remarkably repressive regime, like, let's.
Speaker 3: Not forget that.
Speaker 2: And this man that just passed away they used to
Speaker 2: call him to he was he was a government lawyer
Speaker 2: right for years. He was really next in line to
Speaker 2: possibly be the Supreme leader. Was known for his viciousness,
Speaker 2: like Bruh bro was putting fools to death all the time.
Speaker 3: And then Bruh was a very very very very.
Speaker 2: Integral in sisterhood that died over the job from the
Speaker 2: morality police that the Irani government has, like he played
Speaker 2: a big role in that. So whether there's love loss
Speaker 2: about this man particularly, I'm not Iranian. I don't talk
Speaker 2: out my neck about stuff. I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: will say that this is going to have huge international
Speaker 2: like huge, huge international implications. Hamas jumped out and was
Speaker 2: just like, look, dude, y'all were sorry to hear man
Speaker 2: recipes to a real one. Because again, remember Iran is
Speaker 2: the bread for Hamas and has.
Speaker 3: Beloved and Lebanon, like we all know these things.
Speaker 2: So like this dude is like particularly a shot caller
Speaker 2: and he's one of the or he's the highest elected.
Speaker 3: Official in Iran.
Speaker 2: Like not again, nobody, because this is a cleric ran
Speaker 2: government in country. You not the full head honcho. The
Speaker 2: full head honcho is the ayatola, right, this brother is not.
Speaker 3: But he was next in line.
Speaker 2: His helicopter went down like Kobe's did in the fall
Speaker 2: twelve other people. There's like zero survivors, big dog zero
Speaker 2: wild and lastly, were watching the conclusion of Trump's Push
Speaker 2: money trial. Now the question is Trump gonna get on
Speaker 2: the stand?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Anybody who understands the law at all would be like,
Speaker 2: that would be.
Speaker 3: The dumbest thing you could possibly do.
Speaker 2: Now, Have you and I have any experience with Donald Trump?
Speaker 2: And whether something is dumb or not don't really matter
Speaker 2: at all. Has that man not got away with some
Speaker 2: of the most outlandish, gravity defying things? Absolutely, So who
Speaker 2: knows what they're gonna do. I just know that Michael
Speaker 2: Cohen stuff is done. The defense's job was to make
Speaker 2: sure that this man seems like a slide ball. The
Speaker 2: prosecution was like, we know he's a sliine ball. That's
Speaker 2: why he was able to work for Trump. We know
Speaker 2: you're liar. He was like, yeah, I lied for this
Speaker 2: man all the dog on time. So we're gonna see
Speaker 2: how that plays out. Who knows how long they're gonna deliberate,
Speaker 2: but it's concluding this this week and let's see what's up,
Speaker 2: and that's this week's messiness.
Speaker 4: Bully gets like.
Speaker 3: Bulle is like this.
Speaker 5: Folks super excited to be doing a crossover episode with
Speaker 5: a fellow iHeart podcaster, a fellow politico, Jason Petty aka Propaganda,
Speaker 5: who is the host of Hood Politics. I love what
Speaker 5: you say under the description of the show, which is
Speaker 5: basically like, you know, if you've ever been in a gang,
Speaker 5: if you've ever like been in the street, if you
Speaker 5: know anything about that, then you know politics. And I
Speaker 5: think that that for me, I was just like, oh,
Speaker 5: how opening is that? Like yea, you because the way
Speaker 5: that politics is discussed has always been this very narrow
Speaker 5: you need to have a degree, you need to have
Speaker 5: this like all of this kind of bullshit, and what
Speaker 5: you're offering is like, no politics is for all of us,
Speaker 5: for every for every one of us. So talk to me,
Speaker 5: I guess about how your show got started and why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, then first of all, thank you for reaching
Speaker 2: out and making this happen. Yeah, Like, whether it's like
Speaker 2: you were in a gang or you ran from them,
Speaker 2: you know, the interactions, the ways for which you had
Speaker 2: to learn to navigate just to survive the world that
Speaker 2: we're in is like like you said, like we're made
Speaker 2: to feel like we don't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: And the more that I became more formally educated, the
Speaker 2: more I was like, man, a lot of this, Like
Speaker 2: I know a lot of this already, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I just didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't know these words or these terms, you know, right.
Speaker 2: And then when I before I was doing like music
Speaker 2: and podcasts and stuff, like before I was doing that
Speaker 2: full time, I was teaching high school, I was teaching
Speaker 2: at juvenile halls. And so if you're teaching a juvie
Speaker 2: like I mean, if anything, it's like I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to figure out how to keep y'all engaged, you know.
Speaker 2: And so as I was finding I was like, man,
Speaker 2: there's I'm pulling for my own past. I'm pulling from
Speaker 2: experiences they had, and I'm like, dude, it's like it's
Speaker 2: really like we really know this no more than we
Speaker 2: think we do, you know. And and I think ultimately,
Speaker 2: like you said, like, I'm super passionate about the fact
Speaker 2: that like politics, that maybe the name of it, but
Speaker 2: they're discussing our lives like you're you're You're discussing things
Speaker 2: that in a lot of ways don't even affect them,
Speaker 2: it affects us. So and then with the like Mama
Speaker 2: and Auntie and them would say the unmitigated gal to
Speaker 2: act like I am not, I'm like, I don't, I'm
Speaker 2: not worthy to be in this conversation because I ain't
Speaker 2: got the vocabulary you got, Like I'm like, this is absurd.
Speaker 2: You're discussing my life, you know. So so I feel
Speaker 2: like the more that like what I wanted to do
Speaker 2: was come in and really like like translate that for us,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And you know what I
Speaker 2: mean when I say us, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to translate that to and and hopefully
Speaker 2: to like I want to onboard you, Like I'm like,
Speaker 2: why why shouldn't Pooky and them run for city council.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like you actually you know the streets better than the
Speaker 2: rest of us, you know what I'm saying. Like we
Speaker 2: talk a lot about like like I explained the difference
Speaker 2: between like real political power and like astro turfing. You know,
Speaker 2: I already know, like you know, your uncle, your auntie
Speaker 2: and them could send out a text be like, Hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be at the park on Saturday. You got
Speaker 2: fifty people there. Like that's real power, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So I'm like, I just I wanted people
Speaker 2: to like to participate in something that has much more
Speaker 2: to do about their lives than than they think it,
Speaker 2: do you know, and that you're actually well, way more
Speaker 2: equipped than you think you are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that that's right.
Speaker 5: And I also think that the narrative around politics has
Speaker 5: been set up in a way to make people feel
Speaker 5: like no, no, no, you go ahead and vote in
Speaker 5: these these presentatives, right who who know more, who are
Speaker 5: who are smarter than you, who will figure things out
Speaker 5: so that you don't have to bother yourself with them
Speaker 5: or educate yourself in any type of way. I actually
Speaker 5: put up a post on broke ass Twitter, uh recently
Speaker 5: because I said that. You know, I I was a
Speaker 5: fellow on Capitol Hill. I worked for a member of Congress.
Speaker 5: That's how I got like first started in in politics. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like that's how I first got started. And this is
Speaker 5: one hundred years ago. And I had such reverence for
Speaker 5: Capitol Hill. I had such reverence for these members of Congress.
Speaker 5: And now you look at these people and they are absurdly.
Speaker 6: Like clowns, like it is.
Speaker 5: It's it's a travesty, right like how how how ignorant
Speaker 5: they are and how much they are celebrating you know
Speaker 5: that ignorance, and so it for me, it's like, no,
Speaker 5: if we were to rename politics, it would be like
Speaker 5: called you know, your daily life, right like right like
Speaker 5: if you were to if you were to say, like,
Speaker 5: it's not politics, it's your da.
Speaker 6: You are voting on what your day to day.
Speaker 3: Life, your day to day life.
Speaker 6: And when it's your day to day life, when you.
Speaker 2: See these dudes, like when you see them up close,
Speaker 2: you're just like, oh, nigga, you're twelve, you're and you're
Speaker 2: just trying to get put on. So you're saying whatever
Speaker 2: you need to say.
Speaker 6: MM.
Speaker 2: So you could stay put on. It's so it's so
Speaker 2: like you're like, man, that's so true. When you see
Speaker 2: it up close, and it's like, oh, fam you you didn't.
Speaker 2: You haven't read any of them.
Speaker 3: You haven't read these briefs. Like you didn't, you didn't
Speaker 3: read it. Like so I'm like, oh, I'm more informed
Speaker 3: than you are. Yeah. When you when you when it,
Speaker 3: when you.
Speaker 2: See it up close, yeah, it's like the facade falls.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And it's and I think that that's what people and
Speaker 5: that's why I really like the the onboarding, the opening
Speaker 5: up that your show is offering, because we need more people,
Speaker 5: not less, to be involved. And I think that the
Speaker 5: way that the Republicans their strategy has been, let us
Speaker 5: just throw a bunch of shit at the wall, let
Speaker 5: us exhaust as many people as we possibly can.
Speaker 6: Let's overwhelm right, this.
Speaker 5: System with crazy, and then those that would likely be
Speaker 5: to tap in will tap out because they just don't
Speaker 5: have the bandwidth for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: And so I think that it's I think that it's
Speaker 5: important one for people to recognize that that's a strategy,
Speaker 5: the overwhelm, the ignorance that it isn't it isn't just
Speaker 5: by accident brilliant?
Speaker 2: Do you find that like your show has sort of
Speaker 2: the same kind of like ethoughts, like you're like the
Speaker 2: point you're trying to make is that like you're smarter
Speaker 2: than you think you are.
Speaker 3: Is that is that kind of interesting?
Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of your shows, and it's like,
Speaker 2: first of all, you're brilliant, Like let me just say
Speaker 2: that number one, thank.
Speaker 6: You very much brilliant.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And and I love the like you know part to
Speaker 2: meet with. Listeners can take this however they want. But
Speaker 2: like the sound of black women being fully black women
Speaker 2: is like a warm blanket for me. So to just
Speaker 2: hear you, just to hear you speak naturally, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, be like broke ass shit, Like I'm
Speaker 2: like that's I need that. Yeah, I need that like
Speaker 2: that Like I'm like, huh, I yes, anyway, go on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that for me, WOKF started out the
Speaker 5: show started out of anger. It was a response to
Speaker 5: Donald Trump becoming president of the United States. So the
Speaker 5: show launched in twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen rather And
Speaker 5: what I will say is that for me, I wanted
Speaker 5: people to recognize that they have more power than they think,
Speaker 5: right that this game that these white, old, you know,
Speaker 5: rich straight men are playing, it is a game about power,
Speaker 5: and the way that they take power from you is
Speaker 5: to make you believe you have right. And so my
Speaker 5: show has always been about raising consciousness.
Speaker 6: Like no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: You see why your school board looks the way it does,
Speaker 5: it's because you didn't show up to the school board. Meaning,
Speaker 5: but you know who always shows up, the seventy year
Speaker 5: old racist white people that live in your neighborhood. They're
Speaker 5: the ones that are always going to show up because
Speaker 5: they have time and they are making and they are
Speaker 5: making the time to do it right. So the reason
Speaker 5: why certain things look the way they do is because
Speaker 5: those people they are they are committed to their racism,
Speaker 5: they are committed to hatred, and they will do and
Speaker 5: stop at nothing in order to make sure that the
Speaker 5: system remains the way it is. So for me, it's
Speaker 5: about raising people's consciousness and saying no, no, no, no, no, yes.
Speaker 5: The place that we're in is incredibly overwhelming and incredibly
Speaker 5: dark and incredibly frustrating, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: we have more numbers. We have the numbers. We have
Speaker 5: the people right, the people just need to wake to
Speaker 5: wake the fun up.
Speaker 3: Wake up.
Speaker 2: Yeah you I love that you called it well one
Speaker 2: because like it's before the name was stolen from a.
Speaker 6: Fire, right like it was before if it came like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before they stole it and redefined it, which is
Speaker 2: another thing that they do, which is another like move
Speaker 2: of power to like take something that sounds familiar and
Speaker 2: redefine it and then give it back to us as
Speaker 2: if we don't know what we talk about, you know.
Speaker 2: So I love that you like kept the name to
Speaker 2: be like no, no, no, no, no, you don't you don't
Speaker 2: get it, you don't. I'm not just gonna I'm not
Speaker 2: just gonna let you have this like nah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think too. Like what I picked up from a lot
Speaker 2: of a few of your episodes is really and about
Speaker 2: the example that you gave is the fact that like
Speaker 2: as broken as the system is, like it, it does work,
Speaker 2: you know, which is which is why such an effort
Speaker 2: to disenfranchise us, you know, even if you go back
Speaker 2: to like reconstruction and like why we were disenfranchised from
Speaker 2: voting is because when we did do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, why are there why are there at least
Speaker 2: five black neighborhoods under lakes, because because it works, you know,
Speaker 2: and so so to so to lock us out, to
Speaker 2: convince us that we don't know what we're talking about,
Speaker 2: is because why you don't show up at the you know,
Speaker 2: like you said, the school boards, or why to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's let's make sure, let's make sure voting polls are
Speaker 2: only between the hours of ten and four.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Why everybody's it's because it works,
Speaker 3: like yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and that and that's the thing too,
Speaker 5: is you know I constantly say on the show every
Speaker 5: time that we're coming up on an election, and all elections,
Speaker 5: is that no one tries to steal anything that isn't
Speaker 5: worth something. So if people are trying to steal your
Speaker 5: vote aka voter suppression, it is because your vote is valuable.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: If people are trying to throw out your ballots, right,
Speaker 5: it is because your voice is valuable, right, because nobody
Speaker 5: tries to steal something that is of no value to them.
Speaker 2: Man, did you guys have did you guys have the
Speaker 2: the fake ballot boxes around your way?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: No, I live I live in New York. I'm like
Speaker 6: I live. I live in Brooklyn. Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So we saw him around Kelly, like I'm in LA,
Speaker 2: like East La, and we saw him. Obviously it was
Speaker 2: targeted because this is like a black and brown neighborhood,
Speaker 2: so you would put you would put them over here.
Speaker 2: But for me, it was so it was funny, like
Speaker 2: that is so funny to me. How like it's like
Speaker 2: you have to look at you looking at somebody like, yo,
Speaker 2: that's your man's like get your man's like word like
Speaker 2: this is really is this your king?
Speaker 1: This is what y'all doing?
Speaker 6: Y'all put yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: It was funny to me that, like, how man, it's
Speaker 2: just like like I know, I know clearly, like consistency
Speaker 2: doesn't matter to these people or how corny you look.
Speaker 2: But I'm like that is corny, Like there's there is
Speaker 2: something about I feel like us people of color in general,
Speaker 2: like we have a code that we live by, and
Speaker 2: like part of that code is like what I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna be is corny.
Speaker 3: Right, that's corny, you know.
Speaker 5: Right because you because you don't have the ability to
Speaker 5: actually like basically what you're saying is you ain't shit
Speaker 5: and you actually have to you have to go to
Speaker 5: these incredible lengths in order to cheat, because if it
Speaker 5: was just based on merit alone.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you you, you would not wish.
Speaker 5: And I feel like if we were to if we
Speaker 5: and I and I say, like, if folks were to
Speaker 5: talk about the Republican Party in that way and being
Speaker 5: like they are just objectively corny as fuck, it's just
Speaker 5: like they just they don't they don't have the swag,
Speaker 5: they don't have the ability, they don't have the intellect,
Speaker 5: they don't have the charisma. What they do have an
Speaker 5: abundance of is hate and the ability to cheat and
Speaker 5: cheat and do so unchecked, right in a lot of
Speaker 5: ways because their whiteness protects them. And so I like
Speaker 5: to me, I think you know, and I want to
Speaker 5: talk to you about about twenty twenty four and the
Speaker 5: black vote and what is what you know I'm hearing
Speaker 5: and I want to hear like what you're hearing from
Speaker 5: the people that listen to you. But black people, particularly
Speaker 5: and I'll say older black people and younger Black people
Speaker 5: are really frustrated with Joe Biden for a myriad of reasons.
Speaker 5: And one of them right, like, there was just recently
Speaker 5: an article in the New York Times and an advertisement
Speaker 5: that was put out by like a thousand black pastors
Speaker 5: and churches that are calling for a ceasefire, that are saying,
Speaker 5: how can you talk about the soul of this nation
Speaker 5: and fighting for democracy? And this is what our money
Speaker 5: is going to fund? On top of that, just you know,
Speaker 5: are you you like, are you once again using us
Speaker 5: right in a way that we've been used before. We
Speaker 5: know what the stakes are, right, you don't have to
Speaker 5: tell us about what happens if Donald Trump becomes president again.
Speaker 5: Black people live this right like we are. We are
Speaker 5: very aware and so you know, my my, my question
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 6: Is what are you hearing?
Speaker 5: Because I hear a mix of I'm gonna vote my values,
Speaker 5: I'm not, I'm you know, I I you know, and
Speaker 5: they're saying this now and it's it's you know, we're
Speaker 5: in February, right, We're still nine months away.
Speaker 6: It's still very early.
Speaker 5: But but what are you hearing from folks that are
Speaker 5: that are that are listened to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hearing, Like you said, I'm hearing a lot
Speaker 2: like it's kind of.
Speaker 3: All over the board.
Speaker 2: And what I've noticed is is at least among black people,
Speaker 2: your socioeconomic status has actually played a bigger deciding factor
Speaker 2: that I found. Like generally, I have found black people
Speaker 2: as a community when it comes to our votes in
Speaker 2: our politics, it's very transactional in the sense that like
Speaker 2: I don't have to like any of y'all what you're
Speaker 2: gonna do for us, you know, and if you could
Speaker 2: show and prove, like if I can honestly say, like
Speaker 2: my life is better, my children are better, We're not
Speaker 2: being locked up, like we're not being hunted, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you doing something about you know,
Speaker 2: police brutality, doing stuthing about the money doing some of
Speaker 2: our community.
Speaker 3: And it's like, word whatever, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: At least and you don't sound at least you're not
Speaker 2: talking racists, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Right, So like at least you're not saying it, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So like stuff be super transactional that I found at
Speaker 2: the same time, Like, so with that said, like I
Speaker 2: found we're not very like we're centrist, Like we're not
Speaker 2: very progressive.
Speaker 3: Where it's just like.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't talk all that all that
Speaker 2: because my dad was a black Panther. So like, for me,
Speaker 2: a lot of times, when I start talking like the hummies,
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 3: Oh, here we go.
Speaker 2: You know, he on that revolutionary you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So like there's like that you feel me. And then
Speaker 2: at the other side, if they are gonna be obviously
Speaker 2: it's like that it's mask off with the Republicans. So
Speaker 2: they're like, well, it's mask off with y'all, So like
Speaker 2: that's like kind of a non starter. But what I
Speaker 2: found is when you feel like we're not getting back,
Speaker 2: like we've given the Democratic Party so much and we haven't,
Speaker 2: we haven't received what you said you was gonna give us.
Speaker 2: At this point, it's like, well, I mean, at least
Speaker 2: I know at least I know what it is. With
Speaker 2: the Republicans, at least I know what it is. And
Speaker 2: then your default is to become selfish and be like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna give mine, like I'm just gonna if
Speaker 2: you not like I thought it was about us. I
Speaker 2: thought it was I thought it was. It's not about us, okay, word,
Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna get mine. At least I know
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 3: You want? You want?
Speaker 2: You just want money, okay, word me too, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, right, So, so I found that a
Speaker 2: lot of times, Like it's like, well, since clearly I
Speaker 2: don't trust none of y'alls morals anyway, then I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: who gonna get me to the bag faster? It has
Speaker 2: been what what I have found now to your point
Speaker 2: as far as age demographic, I feel like Gaza could
Speaker 2: cost Joe the election.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like even with the stuff that, like cause again it
Speaker 2: was like you was you was talking talking when we started,
Speaker 2: you know, and yeah, like I was like, at least
Speaker 2: you like you could say, well, at least he's not
Speaker 2: FeelA like bomb somebody to the stone age, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And it's like, well, bro, now you're
Speaker 2: doing that, like right bruh, Like I'm own fam. So yeah,
Speaker 2: both of us in our you know, uh coastal enclaves obviously,
Speaker 2: like our lenses are, our lenses are pretty distorted, so
Speaker 2: like I have to try my best to get out
Speaker 2: of that. But like what I have found, especially what's crazy,
Speaker 2: and what I have found is like Trump resonates with
Speaker 2: like hood dudes like stream.
Speaker 6: Which I just I don't get. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I don't agree. I don't agree, but I get it.
Speaker 6: What is the what is it?
Speaker 2: Because they recognize that he's a boss, like this is
Speaker 2: a gangster. They're like, well, you're just I understand this,
Speaker 2: You're just a gangster. It's like I'm never wrong.
Speaker 5: But there's no code, there's no He throws his own
Speaker 5: fucking clique under the bus. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5: Like there's no honor there.
Speaker 3: I know, but it's like you niggas should have fell
Speaker 3: in line. Wow, what I'm saying that?
Speaker 2: Like, I get it, Like you supposed to fall in line,
Speaker 2: Like I told you what we was doing, this was this,
Speaker 2: This was the system, this what we're doing. You fall
Speaker 2: in line, you stay loyal.
Speaker 3: We good? You know. But I agree too, cause I'm
Speaker 3: just like I agree too.
Speaker 2: Like man, well but like but when it comes down
Speaker 2: to it, you're gonna let all your boys go to
Speaker 2: prison for you, Like I don't. I don't understand that.
Speaker 2: But they're like, bro, it's like mob stuff. That's mob stuff.
Speaker 2: Like you supposed to be able to you supposed to
Speaker 2: like if we all if we all own, you're supposed
Speaker 2: to take your team. You're supposed to take your five
Speaker 2: ten five ten years. I'm gonna put money on your
Speaker 2: books and make sure you're family good. I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: that on.
Speaker 3: What he's doing. That's what he's saying.
Speaker 5: Like, so I'm saying like if you are, because I
Speaker 5: and I cannot pretend to know the ins and outs
Speaker 5: of anybody's of gang life, of street life, of anything.
Speaker 5: But what I will say, the little the little snippets
Speaker 5: that I've seen in her, It's like, whether I agree
Speaker 5: with it or not, there is a code. There is
Speaker 5: a code of like you protect you protect your own,
Speaker 5: like this is this is our this is our click,
Speaker 5: this is our tribe, this is whomever. Like, yes, if
Speaker 5: somebody does go away, like we're gonna do our best
Speaker 5: to make sure that like they're taken care of, you know,
Speaker 5: and then when that person comes out that we're gonna
Speaker 5: try and give them what it is that you know,
Speaker 5: we held on to them or whatever.
Speaker 6: And I'm just like, so just in that vein right,
Speaker 6: this man is I agree?
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like if you don't, like they're
Speaker 2: also not I mean it's not like they sitting down
Speaker 2: and like following all ninety one charges. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, they just you just know what this dude's
Speaker 2: putting out, which is like, I'm the boss, Like this
Speaker 2: is what I do. You know what I mean, and
Speaker 2: I can and I can get that from I could
Speaker 2: get it from a cursory standpoint.
Speaker 3: And then and then even among that community.
Speaker 2: There's diversity of thought. There are dudes that are like, nah,
Speaker 2: like you said, this man got no honor. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: the more that you see him up close, you like,
Speaker 2: this man got no honor. You realize all of its
Speaker 2: cap Like he's not a millionaire. He's not a billionaire.
Speaker 2: It's not really his money, you know. But that's the
Speaker 2: type of stuff that I feel like that's where me
Speaker 2: and you come in when we sit down and say, now,
Speaker 2: hold on now, like that's right this because I'm because
Speaker 2: not true, not true. Now you make your own decision,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying at the end of that,
Speaker 2: But like, but.
Speaker 5: Do it with do it with actual information and not
Speaker 5: just the things that he's putting out. Let me ask
Speaker 5: you that with this because we're rapping on time. But
Speaker 5: let me let me close out with this question for you,
Speaker 5: which is this, you know, we have nine months until
Speaker 5: the election, if prop if Trump manages to steal this election,
Speaker 5: to win this election. I talk about it every day
Speaker 5: on WOKF that this country our democracy ish, which is
Speaker 5: which is what it is for black and brown people,
Speaker 5: for queer people, for anyone who's not white and wealthy,
Speaker 5: straight and Christian, it's democracy light. But if Trump gets in,
Speaker 5: do you think that people truly understand what will happen?
Speaker 5: Do you think that the consequences like that, or that
Speaker 5: they think that we'll just be able to hang on
Speaker 5: like we did in the first four years.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I think I come from.
Speaker 2: Like history, social science, like educational background, and when you
Speaker 2: come from that, it's like I can name off hand
Speaker 2: ten democracies that collapsed, like it happens all the time.
Speaker 2: Democracies collapse, you know, and nations collapse and they rebuild.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 2: I find that any predictions are usually off the mark
Speaker 2: in either direction. Like you know, I feel like it's
Speaker 2: not like the day after he gets elected the world's
Speaker 2: going to go up in flames, and it's also not
Speaker 2: like nothing's going to happen, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 2: I think that the slow crawl, which clearly started decades
Speaker 2: ago into the collapse of the American democracy and it'll
Speaker 2: become something else later. But you know, the idea of
Speaker 2: an autocratic you know, dictator, which he is, is like
Speaker 2: this happens all over the world all the time. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It's the death of an empire.
Speaker 2: It's really we're really watching the slow death of an empire.
Speaker 3: It is what it is.
Speaker 2: I don't think people really understand what that means and
Speaker 2: how it looks, and then how long it's gonna take
Speaker 2: to if we'll ever become an empire again, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I think that people have a much like
Speaker 2: shorter understanding of history than they than they should, you know,
Speaker 2: which to me actually gives me a little peace in
Speaker 2: the sense that like there is such thing as France,
Speaker 2: like Greece is still a country, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like those were collapsed to democracies, like they've collapsed, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Now, I mean it still exists,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I think in some senses,
Speaker 2: having a longer view of history, Like I'm like, in
Speaker 2: the same way that like when the meteor, the asteroid
Speaker 2: that killed the dinosaur struck, you know, it wiped out
Speaker 2: life and then Earth was fine.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think that there is there is that like it
Speaker 2: ultimately will be fine.
Speaker 3: Will we survive it?
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna survive correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but I do think, Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that like Trump in the sense again going back to
Speaker 2: like why like I think hoods does like recognize it
Speaker 2: is like he's like, I'm gonna do what I said.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do, like I told y'all day one, I'm
Speaker 2: finna black and fools.
Speaker 3: Up like that. I don't understand. I told you that's
Speaker 3: what I was gonna do. And I was like, yes,
Speaker 3: he did what he said he was gonna do.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: So I think that there's that reality.
Speaker 2: I think also think the reality that people are not
Speaker 2: accepting is the fact that he might win. That is
Speaker 2: a high possibility that he is, that he will win
Speaker 2: this election. Now he's I also get frustrated with the
Speaker 2: fact that people talk like he like y'all forget he
Speaker 2: lost twenty twenty, like he didn't. He did lose that,
Speaker 2: you guys, Yeah he lost like y'all like y'all y'all
Speaker 2: talking about him like he won like he he lost
Speaker 2: you know, so so yeah, but yeah, I don't I
Speaker 2: don't think people understand like the idea of like you
Speaker 2: could live in a fallen democracy that that is possible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have loved this conversation so very much.
Speaker 5: We will have to do more of these as we
Speaker 5: count down to the election.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna have to.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to do some like reaction pods where
Speaker 2: like some g did you see this ship?
Speaker 6: We absolutely will.
Speaker 5: So this is we'll say this is the first installment
Speaker 5: prop for OOKF and hood politics prop.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Thank.
Speaker 3: You reach out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I appreciate, appreciate you everything you're doing, the
Speaker 2: way you're bringing it like this is dog.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
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