WEBVTT - Title: Episode 11 - Third World Country on Mars 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.360 My hopes and dreams are to finish my prison terms 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:06.920 sooner than my sentence is judged by the federal government. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.000 I hope I can get out and do positive things 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.320 as a human being. I want to reunite with my 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.040 brothers and sister and have a close relationship with all 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.560 of them. I want to rebuild the trust that they 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:23.080 once had for me. I want a house in Texas 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.720 or Florida where I can have a small property. I 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:31.400 also want to travel and see Europe, Australia, the Philippines, Alaska, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.960 and buy a boat and explore the South Pacific for 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.760 wreckage to recover and sell to antique dealers. I also 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.839 want to begin another career as a photographer for models 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:48.240 and wedding parties. I would like to work in healthcare 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.280 or a home business where I can work hard, make money, 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:58.680 and succeed in life. Welcome to The Dockerty Gang, a 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:03.320 production of I Heart Radio and Katie Studios Episode eleven, 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.559 Third World Country on Mars. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.039 producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie lie Decker. We've been 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.000 working with producer Beth Greenwald on The Dougherty Gang for 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.600 months now. These three siblings have agreed to tell their 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.080 story for the very first time, each from separate prisons. 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.800 Lee Grace Docherty is at the Federal Correction Institute Aliceville 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:30.160 in Alabama. Ryan Docherty is in the U S Penitentiary 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.000 Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty is currently at the 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:38.400 United States Prison of Atlanta in Georgia. The podcast You 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.560 are about to Hear contains explicit language and mature content 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.360 that some listeners may find offensive. Let's call to think 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.240 that I am a good person. Yeah, maybe I've done 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:53.040 from my family. Isn't one of them. You know, maybe 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.120 I would like to change though the way that I 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.160 was there. But I'll never say I'm sorry for I'm kind. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:00.680 I'm not I'm not sorry for being a My family 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.280 marks the tenure anniversary of the Dougherty family Crimes Free. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.440 Despite the fact that they're only able to communicate via email, 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:14.560 their devotion remains intact. This is producer Beth Greenwald on 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.320 with Ryan in one of their final interviews. It's not 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.520 like Good Fellows. We didn't just get like some fresh 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.399 pudo and fucking some loaves of bread and a couple 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.519 of bottles of wine. It's not like that. This ship 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.880 is very fucking uh there and they're kind of off 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:32.720 stir or whatever the fucking word is. And you got 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.919 like a few clothes. You might have like a pair 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.880 of shoes, you might have some of your personal photos 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.880 in a little bit of food, Like you don't really 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.239 have anything. I really is in like a concrete block 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:48.400 room with like a metal locker than painted gun metal gray. 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:52.440 Everything is white on gray everywhere except for some blue 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:54.880 accent for like where the phones are at and where 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.919 the doors are at. Right, besides that, the same aryact color. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.960 And it's like it's seen know, there's no windows. Cloths 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.600 are easily acceptable like that. It's super eutilitarian, Like they're 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.400 tu bunks in the room that's like I don't know, 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.959 seven feet by nine feet, right, there's a toilet in 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.880 the stink and and there you go. You've got like 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.679 a couple of uniforms that they give you, and give 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.760 you a pair of boots that are sucking made out 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:24.720 of like cardboard and like dead animals. Like it's very minimal. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.840 That's all on how you look at it. When's the 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:30.359 last time I had to cook the dinner? I don't 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.400 have to cook the dinner. Somebody else cooks dinner for me. 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.280 What's the last time I washed my you know, my clothes. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.000 I don't have to. I can put him in the 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.120 bag and somebody else wash us. So we have to 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.200 clean the bathroom in the shower, somebody does that. I 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.280 don't have to sweepelf before or somebody else does that. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.720 You know what I mean? I want to a close 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.600 side and you know, play horseshoes or you know, basketball 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.440 or botchy ball or half a dozen other things. I 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.200 know means that I like being in prison. I'm just 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:02.080 saying as far as you kind of shift your reality. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.520 And one time I came and I said something to 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.440 my attorney and she's like, oh, why are you so happy? 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.840 You know? And I, hell, yeah, I had thirty two 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.840 years in Colorado. This is my federal attorney. And you know, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.800 I'm looking at a you know, a crazy sent spare 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.400 with the beds, and I was like, well, you know, 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.839 I said, you know, I focused on what I do have, 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.520 not on you know, and she's like, well, what else 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.000 you don't have? And I was like, well, if I 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.720 focused all the things I didn't have, I'm ansoes go 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.840 back to the unit. And you know, tied sheet around 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.840 the rail and jump over. Here's Lee Grace giving her 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.600 take on life in prison. The first year is really 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.360 hard because you're a gap thing. But once you adapt 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.919 and you can see things and your vision becomes clear 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.960 about how people really are and how the officers really aren't, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.120 how the unit team really are, and the people that 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.960 work in the prison system, everything gets so much worse 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.960 because you see the reality, you see the honesty. So 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:53.240 I've been here about eight, eight or nine years. She's 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.880 I need to count, but I think eight years. And 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.400 where were you before that? I was in Hazelton, a 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:05.120 small within prison in West Virginia. It's a federal facility. Well, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.279 I mean they're both federal facilities, but I've been in 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.120 I was in county before that, so that causes a 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:15.359 lot of confusion. State and said are completely different type 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.120 of prison. Ryan is having a harder go of it 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.000 in prison. But I ended up doing timing about six 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:25.000 different county jails in Georgia. Why are they when they 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:26.960 heard that? Like, I was having a hard out time 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.280 in making because making took me from in bib County jail. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.440 There's a murder every time they run wrecked there like 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.800 somebody dies, somebody gets stabbed at death. Like it's more 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:36.760 violent than any of the prisons I've ever been to. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.760 It's like rats all over the floor and cockroaches, and 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.920 you'd be lucky if you get a mattress, Like there's 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.680 no food. It took me from two hundred thirty seven 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.680 pounds to a hundred and fifty eight pounds and a 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.440 little less than six months, so you do the math. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.440 Marshall came and picked me up and didn't recognize me. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.600 He's like, what the funk happened? And I told him 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.240 it was like, bro, listen, when I get in the 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.320 van with you right now, y'all are gonna have to 0:05:58.360 --> 0:05:59.880 beat the funk out of me and taste for me 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.640 in order to get me to go back into that 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.400 county jail. Ryan is in protective custody at his prison 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.039 due to being charged with sending a minor harmful information 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.279 and loud moss of his conduct. It was the original 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.360 case that tipped off the entire crime spree. The yard 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.840 where I'm out currently is like splits, like seventy job 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:26.039 molesters and other either gang dropout, rat, hit the wrong person, 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.320 bad luck, drug that you know, take pick or choose. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.160 But anyways, right you cut it, you're not good you know, 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.520 and you're not in good standing, so you end up here. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:37.800 And this is like the bottom of the barrel. So 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.159 like I look at these people would disdain because the 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.120 ones that like, let's call the ones that like raped 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:46.600 their two year old daughter. You know, I think they 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.000 should burn in hell. But you know, it's not my 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.520 place to judge or punish them, like that's that's not 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.360 my deal. And then for me at like a regular yard, 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.280 somebody would look at me for fucking a fifteen year 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:57.960 old stick when I was eighteen, and it's the same 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:59.320 as they would look at one of these people that 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.640 suck the ju world, you know, when they were forty. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:06.280 It doesn't there's no differentiation in their eyes. I mean 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.640 in the beginning, you're a good looking guys. You get 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.680 into jail, it's twenty something years old. Are you protecting 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.920 at all in anyway? But no, No, it's predatory as ship. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.240 Let's protect your own asshole with a knife forget raped. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.880 I mean it's one of the two. Lee Grace has 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.119 their own opinion of the women's prison. These are women 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.440 that have fat on their asses and couches all day, 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.360 you know, selling drugs out of their out of their basement. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:36.840 These aren't athletic, strong, strapping women from Alaska. These are fat, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.040 overweight people from the South, so they're not good fighters. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.280 Men can kill somebody and women can't. Well, it would 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.320 take a lot for somebody a woman. There's not very 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.440 much violence. Women are all bullshit and talk and physically 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.560 they're weak, so they can't. It's hard for them to 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.880 kill somebody. This call is from a federal prison. Men 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.080 can just snap your neck or you know, stabby in 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.840 the artery and just you know, rip your heart out. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.960 So women don't really fight with weapons and men do. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.480 So once you get a shank in your hand, it's 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:13.120 really easy to flip somebody's throat. Meanwhile, Ryan is living 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.320 in fear, like there's been a few stabbings recently, and 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.240 there's been a few people hitting the head with locks, 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:19.840 and there's been a few people kicked in the head 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.560 with boots, and like, the majority of that violence is 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:29.640 either because of gay stuff or people owing money, or 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.360 just people not wanting to be here. That's steered the 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.920 conversation with Ryan to work. But what about the people 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.360 then you know the other prisoners that work, do they 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.120 make a wage that volunteer based? How does that work? 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.199 It's volunteer based. It's work if you want to. They're 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.120 trying to pay the dudes like eighteen dollars months to 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:52.319 clean ten showers twice a day, five days a week, right, 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:53.599 and it's like you gotta get in there and you 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.680 gotta scrub, and like people are nasty. There's like jizz 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.960 or fucking used razors or like a pubic care ball 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.000 the size of a raccoon in the corner. It's just agreed. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.480 Just man, here's Dylan talking about his day to day life. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.400 I just changed jobs. You know. I used to work 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.960 on the rack yard. Was king water keg build up 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.440 the water kigs, and I know that's something like wow, well, 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.440 I mean what is that? You know, when you have 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.720 five people in the yard and there's you know, ten 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.400 ten gallon kigs push at least three Olympic swimming pools 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.440 of water up that girl in the six years that 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.720 I've been out there, so I recently went to facilities. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.920 Thank you all the plumbing, electrical. If you realize that 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.640 the prison is, you know, the maintenantonent is kept up 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.319 by the you know, the inmate population. We didn't work, 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.160 they couldn't keep us locked up. But but I went 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.480 to facilities that Bunny might got me a job down there. 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.400 It's weirdy one way that, you know, maintaining the cage 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.360 that keeps me, but it also gives me a chance 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:52.760 to do stuff that I used to do on the 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:57.680 street and feel productive. Here's beout speaking with Ryan about 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.960 how different events in his life have shaped to my 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.400 the person. Let me ask you something. When you look 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.440 at this big picture, is there a moment that if 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.959 things like just a little differently, this wouldn't have been 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.120 the story? Oh man, you know what. Yeah, there's pivot 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.880 points in everyone's life. There's big watershed moments, right and 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:19.800 I guess the first one is the youngest one. When 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.840 I was a kid and my father died, you know, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.400 seven years old, fam right then and there, that's a 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.080 big momentum the car accident where I broke my neck 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.959 and I smashed my head and I have a dramatic 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.360 brain injury from that. Um. That's another one that's kind 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.439 of where I fell in love with opiates, from sucking 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.640 breaking my back and having to take oxycotton and morphine 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.960 and ship because my back hurt. And then uh, let's 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.200 see what else here, Oh, when my sister died. That 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.480 was a vicious one because man, if you want to 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.960 talk about a completely different person, that's where it felt 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.560 like I developed two separate personalities that go on in 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:56.160 my head at any given time. While Ryan remembers his pain, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.400 Dylan tries to remain positive. You know a lot of 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.800 people big they you know, they have a lot of 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:06.440 regrets and and and the whole you know, everything is 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.360 it's a negative. And it does not for you know, 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.760 it's just not me. And so I don't really dwell 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.319 on the situation a lot. And when I really sit 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.640 down and think about it, sometimes it does kind of 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.600 pluck out my heart stream. Annie Armstrung me out as 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:24.160 a psychotherapist who has followed the Dougherty story closely. More 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.959 adverse experience as a kid has loss of a parent, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.479 substance abuse in the home, separation, you know of siblings, 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.280 those things all would be considered adverse experiences. So the 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.560 higher doses of adversity, they do affect the pleasure and 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:44.480 reward center of the brain. And what happens is the 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:49.400 person needs a higher dose of whatever that pleasure stimulant 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:54.360 is in order to feel pleasure, and so people who 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.600 have higher amounts of adverse childhood experiences are way more 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.920 likely to be involved in risky behavior. In one of 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.480 her last interviews with Lee, Grace's attorney Patrick McCarville, that 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.840 spoke with him about Marfan syndrome, the genetic cart disorder 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.640 that runs in the Dougherty family, and how that may 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.520 have affected her family's choices in life. You know, they 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.640 lost dead, they lost sister both to Marfan syndrome. You know, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.200 at least in your conversation with Lee, did she feel 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.200 like she didn't ever longed to live or she you know, 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:30.319 was that a huge factor in her actions? Absolutely? I 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:36.320 think the night that they hatched this plan, I believe 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:41.040 they discussed that they didn't believe that they would live 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.360 as long as most people because of that hereditary disease, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:50.520 and that was a factor in what caused them to 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.480 do these crimes. They were going to get out of 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:58.040 Dodge and go live happily ever after together as a 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.480 family with what all time they thought they had left. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.959 Sean McEwan is a filmmaker who wrote and directed a 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.320 feature film about the Doughertyes. He's also a friend to 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.800 the trio. I think what strikes me at this point, 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.640 kind of revisiting the story and kind of seeing it 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.240 through a lens of the perspective of a decade later, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:24.640 is that I vacillate between two truths. One is the 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:29.800 tragedy that they didn't accomplish their objective. While I'm very 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:34.120 glad no one got injured and could have. But the 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:38.640 tragedy that, apparently and everything that they say is all 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.120 about the fact that they just wanted to be together 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.200 and be safe and get the heck out of Dodge 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.760 and try to forge this new life and that didn't happen. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.400 And then yet and maybe I'm just trying to be 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:56.200 the total optimist here in some sense, but they they 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.480 still have this bond. That bond is stronger than ever. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:00.959 You can hear it, and the way they retell the 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.280 stories you can hear it, and how strong the feelings 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.000 are toward each other. So in spite of it all, 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:11.640 nothing could separate them. They are still figuratively still together. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.440 Their ten years into their sentences, but they've done thirty years. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.079 That's how they think of the others. There that intertwined 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.200 that when you add it up, that's thirty years of 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.440 them all being apart, not spending time together, you know. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.640 And by the some of this, it's years of that, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.480 you know, when you compound it like that, And I 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.280 think that's what's so interesting. Also, they're not going to 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.600 have that opportunity to really beating each other's lives, and 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:41.080 that's all they really ever wanted. We're going to take 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.400 a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.920 Although the docerty has pled their cases, the Florida courts 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.880 have not settled with Dylan and Lee. Grace. Ryan is 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.040 the only one of the siblings who are a you 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:05.960 play out in Florida. Here's Beth speaking with Dylan. This 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.680 call was from the federal prison. This call, it's from 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.880 Dylan family. You may begin speaking now, Hey, how are 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.600 you doing. I'm in a really bad mood now, not 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.280 just kind of a legal letter from my new attorney 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.000 that I have in Florida, and um, I don't know 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.000 what is going on down there, but yeah, what what 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.600 does the letter say? Well, I've had to learn that 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.520 apparently much time so I could start until I get 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.760 this case resolved. And so like, I don't know, I 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.400 was on any impression that they would it would you know, 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.680 I would start from the moment that I was InCAR 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.920 story would just come up on ten years now. So 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.280 he's saying that I'm not I get creative for the 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.440 time that I've served already, which is just unacceptable because 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:54.280 it you know, forty years since. So only they they're 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.520 offered me with a twenty five year minimal menatory with 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.240 another fifteen years recurrent want to I want to play 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.840 charged second secondary to the attempted murder police officers. So 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.920 uh yeah, I just just uh, I don't know. It 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:13.040 was crazy. Dylan has been serving his sentences concurrently, and 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.680 this letter revealed that he may face even more time 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.840 in Florida. But the real question is why did it 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:24.000 take so long? Ten years later they're deciding to do this, Well, 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.680 I mean ten years, they haven't done anything. They just 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.640 sort of they have. They never came to get me, 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.800 They never you know what I mean. They just whenever 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.000 I go to a new institution, they relodge a detainer 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.160 against me. And it's just like, I don't know, they 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.360 were just waiting for waiting for me to get out 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.360 and then have the State troopers come quickly up after 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.080 serve you know, thirty years in the FEDS or you know, 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.360 I don't know, it's really weird. I just emailed my 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.760 brother and so I got that and asked him if 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.800 they have started his time in two thousand and eleven 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.560 or if that is indeed what they did, because he 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.720 didn't he didn't get the case result until two thousand 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:59.040 and fourteen. But it's definitely, you know, it's not good news. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.520 How long do you have this lawyer I'm working on this, 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:05.720 he just started. I just kind of you know, because 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.760 I was I was wanting to get this all resolved 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.280 before all these other things, you know, work out, and 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:12.800 I just want to kind of wanted it behind me 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.719 and you know, a bow tied on it, and then 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.679 I could have you know, a day and uh, you know, 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.640 and and start working towards that, you know, the definitive day. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:25.960 You know. It's definitely disheartening because if that's true, that's true, 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.600 I I'm I have to take it a trial. I'm 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.920 not gonna you know what I mean, she just if 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.360 nothing shakes out with my stay cake and then you're 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.919 talking to ten ten years, it's dead time. It's kind 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.280 of just so it's you know, that just that puts 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.760 me at you know, six eight seventy years old. Do 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:43.840 we know we we don't know if Lee Grace that 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.359 a letter as well? Right, talk to her, you know 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.119 what I mean, letter show explain to you what her 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.960 attorneys told her. She said that her attorney back, she 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.320 had so hard. You're up there and you know, sucking 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.480 a lask her, you know, moth Ambique and we really 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.719 you know, we don't have a mule train to come 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.520 get you. Just you know, I don't know, I don't 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.040 understand why it's so hard. You know, I mean I've 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.000 been in the same institution for uh seven years or 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.960 six years, uh probably you know, uh not even three 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.480 miles from the support state line, you know what I mean. Uh, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.280 if this was a big deal to them, and my 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.919 my whole mindset on it was let it sit and 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.159 that the that the you know, it was a rolling boil, 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.520 the oil it boiled over on the stove and it 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:23.760 was you know, I was just like, well, let's just 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.520 let it kind of simmered down, and you know what 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.320 I mean, I can go down there and and can 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.920 get taken care of, you know, seven or eight, nine, 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.000 ten years and you know, maybe to be halfway forgotten 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.720 and people won't you know, you know, I felt like 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.000 time was you know, time heals all wounds or whatever. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.240 Dylan's new attorney, the man who sent him the letter 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.639 was recommended by a fellow inmate. The first thing he 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.879 opens up with is is, you know, I built a 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.680 half hower for this, and I build a half power 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.760 for that. And I was over here for fifteen minutes 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.280 and I was over there for forty five minutes. So 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.879 I mean he's opened up with his his breakdown on 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.840 the building and you know, and says that, you know, 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.200 my so and so is gonna, you know, is takeing 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.040 care of the charges. And you know it's funny Kobe Becker, 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:11.439 who I have all the admiration in respect for, and 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.880 I can't thank her enough. You know, she was more 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.760 than willing to do it. She said, it's only on 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.359 her fifty hours from her to get her federal stamp 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:21.760 for the Middle District of Georgia or whatever the hell 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.879 it was. And you know, I looking at her as 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.040 the first time mom, I was, I was working that 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.359 selfish and I said, no, I'm sure they'll give me 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.200 a great attorney, and they gave me a sorry, worthless attorney. 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.400 And I wish I had been selfish and told her, yeah, 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.159 I want you to be all want to represent me 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:40.480 the whole way. It's probably not too late to do that. Well, 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.480 I mean, if you speak to her, I need all 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.359 the help I can get, apparently, because this is just 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:46.439 I mean, this guy's he's not really a I mean 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.440 need a criminal attorney. It says that on his letter 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:52.119 head here, but it's first says a personal injury and 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.399 then criminal defense and then certified me came. Have you 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.240 reached out to Kobe at to say, no, you just 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.440 just got the information from you last and I'm gonna 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:01.919 go up here and get it on the computer tonight, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.600 and trying to shoot her, Uh it's an email or 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:07.600 I'm really gonna give on my counselor trying to give 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.400 it A couple of attorney calls this week to where 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.800 I can get the bottom is that's reached out to 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.600 Kobe Becker, Dylan's lawyer from Colorado, to see if she 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.720 could offer Dylan any advice. Is it normal for what's 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.119 happening with Florida rearing its headed this way? I don't 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.720 know that I would associate anything with Florida and the 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.960 criminal justice system is being quote unquote normal. Um. But 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:35.960 what I can say is that what happens at the 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.960 state level is if there is a federal case, we 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:45.480 basically say, so these charges have always been in existence 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.439 is by understanding in Florida, and so they didn't They 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.080 had already charged him as what my understanding is, but 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.040 they never brought him there because you know, we kind 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.640 of I don't use the term joke, but we always 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.639 sort of off handedly comment like once our clients go 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.000 in the federal system, they're sort of lost and we 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:10.119