1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know? 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: From House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: that makes the stuff you should know. Jerry's in the 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: other room. Yes, being quiet as commanded. Um, yeah, how 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: you doing just I'm great. I feel like we haven't 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: mentioned Jerry much in a while. So she's got a 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: character playing She's a character on a TV pilot. There's 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: an actress playing her. Right, probably you thought to have 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: that removed right all over the place. I was like, 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: we need less Jerry less Jerry not true, that's not true. 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: So revenge. I'm a big revenge guy. Oh your huh, Well, no, 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: that sounds is bad. I'm a big come up in 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: skye in Justice, sky Sideline Reuters, you know, like you know, 16 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: when people get their come upance and justice is served. 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm very that's a very very satisfying experience for me. Well, 18 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: a friend, you would have done well to have lived 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: in Babylon around the seventeen sixties BC with the gardens. 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: I love that stuff. Yeah, they were the pinking gardens 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: that would have been all over it. Yeah, gardens figured 22 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: heavily prominently in babylon Um, especially Chuck. I think you 23 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: would have enjoyed living under King Hammurabi. Yeah. The code. 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: He's the guy who came up with a code. We 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: take it. You know that whole eye for an eye 26 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: thing that you would stand on the sidelines, like take 27 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: out his eye, take out his eye, the other guy's eye. 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm not like that because people are gonna think I'm 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: some violent person. Come up and can come in many forms. 30 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking. Heart, Like Shank uh 31 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: Brooks hung himself. No, come up, it's against the warden. Like, 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: that's satisfying to me to see that in a movie. 33 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember what happened to the warden. Well, he 34 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: ended up, boy, should not spoil it. I think it's fine. 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: He ended up shooting himself as the cops descended upon him. 36 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: What did he do wrong? He? What did he do wrong? 37 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: He held Andy there for years, knowing he was innocent. 38 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: He had the guy shot and killed who Andy had 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: tutored to get his g e D. Who had information 40 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: that would get his release from Like when the Melrose 41 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: Place or something like that. He ally McBeal, Yeah, I 42 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: think it was hallng mcbell. And then he uh uh 43 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: squandered money from what do you call it when you pension? 44 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, not squandered he uh he no, hele money 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: essentially embezzled, embezzled money from the prison coffers. I it 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: wasn't the warden played by Burr Lives or something. I thought. 47 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: I remember him as like a grandfatherly type, very supporting, 48 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: nurturing fellow. Now he's played by the guy that can't 49 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: ever play anything again because of that movie. Weird. I 50 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: have a list of revenge movies we can go over later. Okay, 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's plenty of those. Remember there's a whole 52 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: exploitation sub genre like I Spit on your Grave. That's 53 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: on the list. Um. But anyway, back to the Code 54 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: of Hammurabi. We take for for granted these days chuck 55 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: the eye for an eye, but this is literally the 56 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: beginning of that, and um, the beginning of systemic, uniform, 57 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: uh socially sanctioned revenge. That's the justice system. It's revenge. 58 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: It's like you did something and we're gonna get you 59 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: back for that. You're going to be punished. It's revenge. 60 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: That's the whole basis of the justice system. People can 61 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: him and how about reform and stuff like that, but 62 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: come on, it's revenge. It's punishments that I'm just saying, right, 63 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: you can, you can dress it up all you want, 64 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: you can do whatever you you you can to it. 65 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: But when you boil it down, I think is what 66 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: we're both saying. The whole basis of the justice system 67 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: is revenge, and the Code of Hammurabi is the beginning 68 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: of this, and that it's also the beginning of the 69 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: eye for and eye think if I may, there's a 70 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: couple like the Code of Hammurabi kind of deals with 71 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: stuff that people were dealing with at the time, and 72 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: it goes far beyond like if you kill somebody, you're killed. 73 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: It gets kind of specific. One of my favorites is 74 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: if a fire breakout in the house and someone who 75 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: comes to put it out cast his eye upon the 76 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: property of the owner of the house and take the 77 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: property of the master of the house, he shall be 78 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: thrown into that self same fire. So a louter essentially, 79 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: you get thrown into the fire you came to help 80 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: put out. And then basically strict your moral obligation by 81 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: stealing instead of helping fight the fire. That's my favorite. Also, 82 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot about runaway slaves, harboring runaway slaves, stealing slaves. 83 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: If you find a bull of slaves and you want 84 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: to bring him back to the owner, um, the owner 85 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: owes you two shekels of silver. Uh. It deals with 86 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: inheritance law. If the son who inherits his father's land 87 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: is still too young and can't take possession of his fields, 88 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: a third of the field will go to the mother 89 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: who basically is paid to raise him, although I think 90 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: she's going to do that anyway. But it's a uniform coat, 91 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: especially dealing with revenge. Right. I say all this to 92 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: tell you that revenge is very old, Chuck. It is, 93 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: and that's the code I mean. I bet took Took 94 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: took revenge over you know, the caveman who wronged him. Yes, 95 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: very primitive ways. I'm sure there was always revenge. And 96 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: depending on how evolved took Took's brain was. If he 97 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: had um dorsal stratium stri atom, why didn't I not 98 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: get that the first time? If he had a dorsal striatom, 99 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: which is governed in feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction. He 100 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: would have probably liked carrying out that vengeance because that 101 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: our pleasure center goes off when we um carry out 102 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: acts of revenge, especially when we think of it. But 103 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: that's why sometimes we will go to such great lengths 104 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: to carry out vengeance because it feels good. See, I'm 105 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 1: not a vengeance carry outer because I don't really get wronged, 106 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: Like I've never had any huge, like wrongings against me. 107 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: I would knock on wood at this point if I 108 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: were you. But um, I like seeing it played out 109 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: mainly in movies. You like standing on the sidelines and 110 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: shouting for the person's eye to be taken out. Yeah, yeah, 111 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: that's me. Do you want to talk about some cases 112 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: of revenge? Because I mean, there's there's it's one thing 113 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: to just say, hey, you know, that's great, that guy 114 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: got his come up, and it's but there's some really 115 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: legendary and some very grim cases of revenge in the 116 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: history of humanity. And we have covered well, you cover 117 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: ten in your article. Yeah, we're gonna cover what seven, eight, six, six, 118 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: something like that. Like, we haven't done a top ten 119 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: in a while. It's been a very long. Actually, we've 120 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: never done a top ten because we only only cover 121 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: six or seven. We haven't based one on the top ten. 122 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: It's waiting, correct, Uh, I like the spam King one, 123 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: should we start there? Might as well? He's number ten. 124 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: Alan Rowski Uh was known as the spam King because 125 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: he was an entrepreneur in Michigan who was one of 126 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: the guys, the main dudes signing you up for all 127 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: those spam emails that we all love before the dot 128 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: com bubble even burst had him in court for bulk 129 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: email spamming. But dude, he's got a rap sheet a 130 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: mile long. I looked at his his like, since this 131 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: is before the spam thing in the nineties, he had 132 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: all sorts of like, yeah, yeah, he's he's just kind 133 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: of a hustler kind of dude very much, you know, 134 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: it's a good way to put it. But he got 135 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: his come uppance in the way of a junk email 136 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: of his own when his address was leaked online and 137 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: then really leaked online. Well, the whole way it came 138 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: out was there was a in I think the Detroit 139 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: Free Press maybe one of the UM one of the 140 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: local papers did a um a spotlight like just kind 141 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: of a soft touch spotlight on his spacious, eight thousand 142 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: square foot home that he paid seven because it was Detroit. 143 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: This one was on you, man, I was just going 144 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: to leave the Detroit alone, but go ahead, and yeah, so, 145 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: uh so this guy is showing off his this man 146 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: who's been referred to as quote vermin and quote scum, 147 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: is showing off his eight thousand square foot house built 148 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: on bulk email and spam. I bet he regrets that. 149 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: And somehow I I couldn't go back and find out 150 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: his address leaked like in the in the article, it 151 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: basically gave away his physical address and that was it. 152 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: The trolls got him. The trolls got him and signed 153 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: him up for basically everything under the sun as far 154 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: as junk mail, like physical junk mail goes, which we've done. Wow, 155 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: we did podcast some junk mail. Remember that we didn't 156 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: remember where rid of it. And that one guy was like, no, 157 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: we're employed by junk mail. So at at the peak 158 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: of his uh junk mail receivership, he was getting hundreds 159 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: of pounds and he was every day. Yeah, he was 160 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: pretty upset. I mean I saw interviews with him today 161 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: where he was like being harassed, and he was trying 162 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: to get courts to do something and they were just like, now, 163 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: come up, and I wish we had a trombone. Yeah, 164 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: we should spice us up a little, Jerry a trombone please. 165 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: She's like, thank you? All right? Did we cover him? Uh? Well, 166 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: he's in jail now. Yeah, he's inmate one oh nine 167 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: dash ow three. Wow, you did your research because that 168 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: was not in the article. We could send him a 169 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: letter Morgantown Federal Correctional Institution. Yeah, he was. What was 170 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: he doing he was inside? Was an insider trading or 171 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: he created a pump and up scheme, some sort of 172 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: penny stock manipulation some scheme, is what I wrote. And 173 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: he's still in jail. Well it was two thousand nine 174 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: and I got a fifty one month sentence. Yeah, but 175 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it doesn't mean much like it served 176 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: time served, you're free. Yeah, you know, but yeah, he 177 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: he's still there though. He definitely made some cash doing 178 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: bulk email. It was clever at the time. It was 179 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: just annoying. Yeah, sure, but hey, we all got biagra 180 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: out of it, so we did. I didn't get in mine. 181 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: Uh run okay. Yeah, So my nephew's middle name is Ronan, 182 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: and I'm still not convinced that my sister and her 183 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: husband know what Ronan is. I have a friend who 184 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: named his kid running. Does he know what Ronan is? 185 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: I'll have to ask him. He's a fan of the show. Well, 186 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: what's what's his name? I don't think he spells it 187 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: this way though, I think he spells it with an A. 188 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: What's his name, Braxton? Brexton? Do you know what a 189 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: Ronan is? Answer us? Let me text him. I don't. Yeah, 190 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: I don't think he spells it the same way. Well, 191 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: let's tell everybody a Ronan is a masterless amurai. At 192 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: this point, I feel like, possibly, if you really want 193 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: to do some digging, press pause on this one or 194 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: just mark down your time code. Go back and listen 195 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: to our House Samurai Worked podcast. Excellent episode and it 196 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: will help you along with the rest of this. But 197 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: if you don't feel like doing that, go back and 198 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: listen to it anyway later on, but we'll give you 199 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: the crib sheet. Basically, a samurai is pledged to the 200 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: death to a single master right, and that involves the 201 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: samurai protecting the damno with his life. That involves the 202 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: samurai carrying out vengeance if the damnio is wronged or 203 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: murdered or anything like that. Um. And this is a 204 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: lifetime contract. This is a lifetime affiliation. Remember they were 205 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: the opposite ninja, which is also a really good episode. Two, 206 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: they were just the hired guns. Yes, the ninja were. 207 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: The samurai were very loyal military advisors, just cool guys. 208 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: They had huge hammer pants too. Um And in this 209 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: particular case of the forties seven Ronan during the EtOH period, 210 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: which was the early beginning of the eighteenth century in Japan, 211 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: um a man named Asano Nagai had uh some Ronan 212 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: assigned to him, or that he had taken on them. 213 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: And Nagai was headed to Kyoto to hang out, which 214 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: was the capital at the time. And um, he saw 215 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: a man he didn't like. And still to this day, 216 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: no one's quite sure. I was going to ask you 217 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: that no one knows, no one has any idea what 218 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: the problem is. But these guys have beef basically as 219 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: a Biggie Smalls would have put it. Did well, Yeah, 220 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: Naganori pulled his sword out and slashed at the man. 221 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: Didn't cause any harm or whatever. But this is Kyoto 222 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: the seat of power in Japan and he's just taken 223 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: a swipe at some guy in front of everybody important 224 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: and in Japan this is a really big deal. Well, yeah, 225 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: so much so that they I did that he should 226 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: commit seppuku, which we have covered before as well. Was 227 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: that a separate one? No, what was that in? Was 228 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: that in Samurai? Yeah? I think we really went into 229 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: graphic details. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we we talked about the 230 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: steps of sippuku because it's very specific. So again, go 231 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: listen to that episode. Um, and he did commit sippuku. Here, 232 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: here's what I don't quite get. Why why didn't the 233 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: guy Yoshinaka, who he attacked, Why didn't his ronan come after? Well, 234 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: he was dead. Why didn't his ronan come after he 235 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: wasn't dead? No, no, no, Naganori is now dead. So 236 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: why did his people feel the need to take revenge 237 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: when he's the one that started it? That is an 238 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: excellent question, and that's what led to the deaths of 239 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: these forty seven ronan Okay, so let's let's talk about 240 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: the story and then we'll go into that. Right, Okay, 241 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: these ronan um basically hung out and waited two full years. 242 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: You know what they say, what revenge is the meal 243 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: best serve cold, very nice, one of my favorite things. 244 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: Is it really one of my favorites? Oh yeah, I 245 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: just I just think it's witty. And you think a 246 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: lot about revenge, don't you know. I just like that 247 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: saying it's a good one. You know it's true with 248 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: you like two years later they don't know it's coming. Yeah, 249 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: And those Japanese winners get pretty cold, so it had 250 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: to two winners had passed by the time the seven 251 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: ronin decided to go pay a visit to the other guy. 252 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: And they went and, uh, your Yoshinaka was the other guy. 253 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: They went to his house um stage an attack on 254 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: his compound, found him in an outhouse and said, hey, uh, 255 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: we will give you the chance to commit suppuku. Here's 256 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: the same dagger that our master killed himself with the 257 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: right thing. And the guy just said there and stared 258 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: at him, and they gave him a beat and then 259 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: said okay, and they cut his head off, and they 260 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: took his head in a bucket and took it to 261 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: their master's grave. Well they cleaned it up, did they? 262 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: Apparently they watched it for some reason. I guess well, 263 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: they're very tidy. They are very tighty people to um 264 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: and they took it to their master's grave and showed 265 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: him the head and said, here you go. And then 266 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: they took it to the Bukufu, the ruling council, and said, 267 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: we're turning ourselves in. And maybe there's a lot of 268 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: discrepancy about what what was the right thing to do 269 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: or what wasn't even at the time and still today. 270 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: But the Bukufu said, okay, go kill yourselves. You have to. 271 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: We were down to forty six here one supposedly was 272 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: killed in the attack. Whatever, but um forty six Ronan 273 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: committed suicide themselves. A lot of people die because this 274 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: guy slashed at the other guy. Now, there's many schools 275 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: of thought in this act of revenge. The Ronans should 276 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: have immediately gone to um Yoshinaka's house and killed him. 277 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: That may have gotten them out of the sentence to 278 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: commit supuku another if they had been like, oh, well, 279 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: let's carry out this vengeance right now. Another school thought 280 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: is that they shouldn't have done anything. That the Bakufu 281 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: had made a decision that their master had to kill himself, 282 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: and they had to abide by it. That Samurai didn't 283 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: see it that way. Well, that was their code, though 284 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: it's not exactly the law of the land. No, it's true, um, 285 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: and that I think that connection between master and Samurai 286 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: supersedes anything that Pakfa came up with. But the last one, 287 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: the hardest one for me swallow, but it's possibly correct, 288 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: is that the ronin or should have, after they took 289 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: Yoshinaka's head, committed supuku themselves right there, and that it 290 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: was a grave act of cowardice to turn themselves in 291 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: because it showed that they possibly hoped for a slap 292 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: on the wrist interesting or at the very least the 293 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: cutting off of their wrists. Wow. Well, and there is 294 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: any style? Is what that is? You point out the 295 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: forty seventh thrown in Terra Saka Kichi man um There 296 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: are reports that he was young and pardoned because of 297 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: his age, and that he lived at the seven or 298 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: he died in the attack. Yeah, and I think there 299 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: would be more than forty seven, But there were forty 300 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: seven that assembled two years later and carried out revenge, 301 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: I believe. And there have been countless stories and uh 302 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: movies and stuff about then running. Yeah, including the movie 303 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: running There you go some big revenge man. That was 304 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: a roller coaster ride. Should we cover the uh the 305 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: Huguenots to the massacre? That was pretty grim. I will 306 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: go over real quick. I like the last line of it, 307 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: did you I went back and rewrit it. I was like, 308 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 1: that was a we'll we'll nugget there at the end, 309 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: We'll save it. Uh. During the Protestant Reformation, there was 310 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on in France, mainly a 311 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: lot to be lost, as in of the real estate 312 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: in France allegedly was owned by the clergy Catholic Church, 313 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: so they had a lot at steak. Yeah. When the 314 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: Protestants came a colin, they were like, I don't know 315 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: about you guys, we should kill you. Yeah. There was 316 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: a big, big problem between there's a big rift between 317 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: the Catholics and the Protestants, and it was largely overland power, 318 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, because if it's all controlled by the Catholics, 319 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: it's hunky door for the Catholics. But then now, if 320 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: you have to divide everything in half, it's not it's 321 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: kind of a problem. Um. So by fift seventy two, UH, 322 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: in August in Paris, it was a hot one. And 323 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: there was a huge wedding between a French Protestant aristocrat 324 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: right now, a French Huguenot aristocrat and a French kill 325 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: okay Huguenot. Yeah, and they were not. This was not 326 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: a marriage that was endorsed by the papacy at all. 327 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: Already really controversial. It was a huge, huge affair on 328 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: the social calendar. And so Paris was swarming with both 329 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Huguenots and Catholics that were there at this wedding, possibly 330 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: the most awkward wedding of all time, sworn enemies in 331 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: the same church. Right the marriage goes off without a hitch, 332 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: as far as I know. And um, almost immediately after, 333 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: Charles the Ninth, who was the King of France, a 334 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: devout Catholic, said, um, why don't we just take this 335 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to kill the military leader of the Huguenots since 336 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: he's here in town. And they did, and let's not 337 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: stop there, let's just keep killing people. And over the 338 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: course of a week or so, I saw all kinds 339 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: of numbers. Sure well, they didn't keep very good records 340 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: in the fifteen seventies. No, but legend has it that 341 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: the rivers in Paris were so full of dead bodies 342 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: that they could not eat fish for months because of 343 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: disease of dead bodies. Thousands, tens of thousands of French 344 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: Protestants murdered a hundred thousands, and it started with the 345 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: one guy. Then that moved throughout Paris. Any Huguenot found 346 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: was killed, and then it spilled over into the countryside 347 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: where basically um the the French King Charles the ninth 348 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: carried out Jenna side against the Huguenots in France. So 349 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: that was a big deal. Sure what all right? Moving on, 350 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: we're skipping over I want to say Dave Carrol as 351 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: per Chuck's request. Yes, but you can read that in 352 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: the article. We're skipping Aaron Burr because you can hear 353 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: about him, or you may have just heard about him 354 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: in our dueling podcast. Good one, and uh let's go 355 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: to Dr Holly Crippen. Oh, we're doing him. You want 356 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: to skip him? No? No, that's fine, you take him though, 357 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: Okause I I thought we agreed not to do him, Okay. Uh. 358 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: Dr Holly Harvey Crippen was a homeopathic doctor in London, 359 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: had a concert singer wife named Cora, and I guess 360 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: did you see his So he was mad because he's small, 361 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: and apparently he didn't like his wife's voice because he 362 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: took up with another lady. She found out about it 363 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: and said, you know what, jerk, I'm out of here. 364 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm the one that has the money taking it with me. 365 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: And in after that she went missing. Of course, he says, hey, 366 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my mistress. I'm gonna move to UH. Well, 367 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry he sold her jewelry first, he told everybody 368 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: that she was on a concert tour in Los Angeles, 369 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: died there and was very easy to figure out. Goodbye, Cora. 370 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: So he set sail for the US with his new mistress, 371 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: his new I don't know if they were married, probably 372 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: not his new wife, and um, the friends of the 373 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: wife started saying. Friends, of course started the same, Wait 374 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: a minute, this is pretty shady. Somebody should look into 375 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: this dude, because we think he has blood on his hands. 376 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: He was arrested when the body turned up in his 377 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: cellar and hanged. However, in two thousand seven, many many 378 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: years later, because nineteen ten, they found forensic evidence that 379 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: uh found out that not only was that not his 380 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: wife's body in the basement, who he was convicted of 381 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: in Yeah, but based on that evidence, perhaps a man, 382 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: not even a woman at all, so that they think 383 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: possibly Crippen may have murdered this other person and gotten 384 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: caught for that because his wife went missing and they 385 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: think they murdered her as well and just disposed of 386 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: her body. He did, he did. He supposedly acted alone 387 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: or or um he didn't kill this man, but he 388 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: did kill his wife and ended up getting hanged anyway 389 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: as an act of vengeance beyond the grave, right for 390 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: killing his wife. Or he didn't kill anybody and it 391 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: was hanging wrongly right, just vengeance twisted all up? What 392 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: that's wrong with you? Okay, let's see Lorena Bobbitt. This 393 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: is a good one because this is in our our 394 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: immediate memory, the nineties, the nineties, the crazy nineties, grunge, 395 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: flannel and dismembered penises flying out a car window. That's 396 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: exactly what happened. John Wayne Bobbitt was not a model husband. No. 397 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: And I really want to stress this because when I 398 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: was like, well, when I was thinking of this, LORRAINA. 399 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: Bobbitt was the first one that came to mind, and 400 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: then I did a little more research I was like, 401 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: good God, she had a really rough life. Um. She 402 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: was allegedly the victim of a lot of spousal abuse, 403 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: physical abuse, mental abuse. UM. She was an immigrant and 404 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: her husband supposedly used that against her to manipulator to 405 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: keep control of her. Didn't speak great English at the time. Um. 406 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: And there was allegedly a lot of marital rape in 407 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: that marriage as well, UM, including the night of UM well, 408 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: I don't know when it was, but it was when 409 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: supposedly Mrs Bobbitt said that her husband, John Wayne Bobbitt, 410 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: came home drunk, assaulted her, and then raped her and 411 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: then passed out. Apparently this was one in a long 412 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: string of these um encounters, and she had had enough, 413 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: so she got a knife and while he was asleeping, 414 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: Chuck cut off more than half of his penis a 415 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: significant portion, more than half. And although if you ask me, 416 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: five percent would be a significant portion. Five percent. It's 417 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: like a zipper accident. Yeah, but just nothing needs to 418 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: be going on down there. No, I agree, I'm saying 419 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: in general, I mean, I'm not saying he did or 420 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: didn't deserve it. I'm not weighing in on that. No, 421 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: I see your point. He was a big jerk. I'm 422 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: not saying people should do this, of course. No. I 423 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: feel like we should stay out of this little pool 424 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: right here, because if you do do the research and 425 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: you do start to kind of see where she was 426 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: coming from. She was the butt of many a late 427 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: night joke for years and years. She just became a punchline. 428 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: But if you look into her story, it was horrific. Yeah, 429 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: very sad um. Anyway, about three am, she takes this 430 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: dismembered member and drives out into the night with it. 431 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: At some point, rolls down a window in the passenger 432 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: side and just throws it out into the grass, and 433 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: by some incredible luck, a suf's deputy managed to find it. Well, 434 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: I remember a lot of people looking exactly like there 435 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: was a missing child or something like that. There was 436 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: a multi tens of thousands of dollar search party out 437 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: looking for a dismembered penis in the grass, and they 438 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: found it. That's the craziest part to me, right, It's 439 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: pretty crazy. And they reattached it, put it on ice, 440 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: reattached it. She says she didn't remember it. She said 441 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: she was Later on, she said she was driving with 442 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: the member in one hand and a knife in the other. 443 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: And she said she went to turn the wheel and 444 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: realized she needed a free hand and that's why she 445 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: does it. Yeah. Um, she she went to court, She 446 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: went to trial, and I can't remember what her charge was. 447 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: It was one of those very clever like old timey 448 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: eighteenth century charges. You shall be charged with penis cutting. 449 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: I think that was a charge. She was found not 450 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: guilty for reasons of temporary insanity. Uh, she snapped after 451 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: years of abuse, and they said, you're fine. He was 452 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: acquitted for assault charges on her, but he went on 453 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: to be convicted later on for more domestic abuse on 454 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: another wife and in the so they divorced. In here's 455 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: the crazy thing. In he was in a pornographic film 456 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: called Uncut. Yeah, he was in more than one. And 457 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: oh was he I just knew about the one. Yeah, 458 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: he was in one called Frank and Penis. Okay, I 459 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: thought Uncut was the one. I thought Frank and Penis 460 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: was the name of Frank and something. I remember that. Well, 461 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: there's one called Uncut um that came out in and 462 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: Vince Neil and Lemm theres a bum and Vince Neil 463 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: plays himself. Yeah, he was also in a band called 464 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: The Severed Parts. Yeah, so he was clearly trying to 465 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 1: make some money off of this incident, which goes on 466 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: to show even more about his character. Lorreina bob It 467 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: went in a different direction and founded a women's abuse 468 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: uh nonprofit called Lorraino's Red Wagon, which is an aid organization. Yeah, 469 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: and she's a little girl now she's uh, I don't 470 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 1: know if she's remarried, but with the father and has 471 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: a little girl. And she was actually brought to court 472 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: for attacking her mother after this too. Yeah, she was 473 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: let go for that as well. I didn't run into 474 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: that one. Yeah. Man, nothing's ever black and white, is it. No, 475 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: it's all great, Josh, it's all great. The next one's 476 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: fairly close to black and white as far as revenge 477 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: goes chuck, Yeah, this one is pretty good. Come up, 478 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: it's let's let's hear. Anthony Stockelman in two thousand and 479 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: six was put in prison for molesting and murdering a 480 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: ten year old girl named Katie Coleman. Horrific, horrific incident. 481 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: His come upance came right away in the case of 482 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: your going to jail for life, and it wasn't like 483 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: there was a lot of did he didn't he do it? 484 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: Apparently it was a slam dunk case. There were um 485 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: red carpet fibers that matched the carpet in his mom's 486 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: house found at the scene. His DNA was on the 487 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: body and on a cigarette. But at the scene and 488 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: and I witness saw Katie Coleman riding and Anthony Stockleman's 489 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: pickup truck that day. So he copt the deal to 490 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: avoid the death penalty and went to prisons of his life, 491 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: went to prison, uh and unfortunately he went to prison 492 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: with Jared Harris, who was a burglary UH inmate serving 493 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: time for burglary and also Katie Coleman's cousin. Yeah, because 494 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: they had a different last name. Indiana Board of Corrections 495 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: missed that this was Katie Coleman's cousin because they would 496 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: have did they look to avoid I don't know the 497 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: rules with think they'd be protocol for that kind of thing. Yeah. Um. 498 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: After a couple of months, Stockelman shows up one day 499 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: for breakfast with a fresh tattoo carved into his head 500 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: that says Katie's revenge and very very big prominent block 501 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: letters like his entire forehead is covered in this amateur tattoo. 502 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 1: Did you see it? Yeah? That the I think one 503 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: of the guards ended up posting that and was got 504 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: in trouble posted the photo, so the Board of Corrections 505 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: looked into it said, oh, we can't implicate the cousins, 506 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: so who knows who did it? And that was that. Yeah, 507 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: well no, he actually um served extra time for assault. 508 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 1: Oh they got him. When I wrote this, they still hadn't. 509 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: They were like, we can't, we can't find any evidence 510 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: that it was him. They got him. I'm sure he 511 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: was like fine attacking one. He was gonna kill him. 512 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: He you know, did one of those deals where the 513 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: dude looks up and all of a sudden, this guy's 514 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: in his cell with the door closed behind him, and 515 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: put his hands on his throat and said him, either're 516 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: gonna stick you or I'm gonna tattoo your forehead and 517 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: he was like dotto. I don't know if he actually 518 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: gave him the choice, but he Yeah, he had a 519 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, a prison tattoo gun that he ditched in 520 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: the trash and I can find pictures of it online. 521 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for the follow up stuff, man, that's awesome. Well, 522 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: not awesome for Jared Harris, not the actor Jared Harris, 523 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: by the way, son of Richard Harris Anthony Stockman. No, no no, no, 524 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean Jared Harris is the cousin. Oh yeah, but 525 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: he's not the famous actor son of Jared her or 526 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: Richard Harris, Jared Leedo. No, okay, we're up to our 527 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: last one. This is all we're doing. This is number six, 528 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: I think, right, Yeah, which one of these one? What 529 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: do you have? I got dach how and what's the 530 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: other one? James Annesley? Let's okay? Am I saying it correctly? Uh? 531 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: Sure you say it. I'll see if I'm saying it well, 532 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: people just say dach owright. Yeah, you were sort of 533 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: overdoing it a little bit. Uh. This is one that 534 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, Quentin Tarantino probably got some inspiration for his 535 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: movie and Glorious Bastards, and it was in Shutter Island prominently. 536 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: You know Tarantino's doing a slave revenge movie next. No, 537 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, and Escaped Slave. And in fact, 538 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: you could argue that most of his movies are revenge movies. 539 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, like almost all of them revenge except well 540 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: executing Tim Ross and the cops scene. Oh yeah, with 541 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: the ear but that wasn't really revenge. Kill Bill, total 542 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: revenge movie. That the car Win was revenge, Glorious Bastard's 543 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: was revenge. And now the slave Runaway. Was there any 544 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: revenge in there? There was more redemption than revenge. Yeah, 545 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: I mean, well, oh revenge against the rapists. Oh yeah, 546 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: that was big time. I'm going to call in some 547 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: HiPE pitting uh torches. Yeah, so there's been elements of 548 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: revengelict at LEAs say that. Okay, okay, So back to 549 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: World War two. Did you know that Quentin Tarantino and 550 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: Alan Ball, the writer of Six Ft Under, have an 551 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: ongoing feud that Tarantino has brought the law into. Apparently 552 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: Alan Ball and his husband or a partner one of 553 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: the two um raise like tropical birds in their Los 554 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: Angeles home. Sounds nice, and they have an aviary and 555 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: apparently it's not fully enclosed, and Quentin Tarantino, who lives 556 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: next door, has to hear birds squawking all day and 557 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: can't get any work telling really, so he's like gone 558 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: to court to basically get the courts to tell Alan 559 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: Ball that tells birds to shut up interesting it And 560 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: well I know where that is then, because I used 561 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: to work for a director that supposedly lived a few 562 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: houses down from qt because when I went and picked 563 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: him up, he was like, you know, lu lous right there, 564 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino, and I guess Alan Ball on the other side, 565 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: who do you side with? I'm a big fan of both. 566 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love Alan Ball and Tarantino. I'm not 567 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't think should keep birds in captivity, so I'm 568 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: gonna go with Tarantino in this, all right. So now 569 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: back to World War two finally, all right. Dachau obviously 570 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: was one of the sites of the atrocities committed against 571 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: the Jewish people at their prison camp. There, awful, awful 572 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: things happened, and when the American soldiers of the Thunderbird 573 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: Army Infantry Division showed up to take that camp, they 574 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: exacted a little revenge. Well, one of the they had 575 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: a huge impetus there was what was called the death car, 576 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: the death train, which is thirty nine rail cars that 577 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: were on a rail line that were parked basically just 578 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: inside the camp walls, and they were literally overflowing with 579 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: the dead and dying. I think, um almost three thousand 580 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: corpses spilling out of these rail cars, and that's what 581 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: these guys came upon. The The members of the Thunderbird 582 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: Army Infantry, the four fifth Thunderbird Division UM found this 583 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: and apparently just snapped. And what's the worst army infantry 584 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: atrocity carried out by any Allied force supposedly in World 585 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: War Two? And this is pretty atrocious. Well, I mean 586 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: they basically there were There are different reports on what 587 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: went on. I tried to look at a bunch of 588 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: different ones, but we do know that they at one 589 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 1: point lined some SS up against the wall, modem down 590 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: with machine guns so unarmed. By the way, and this 591 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: is also Duck Cow is the site where a lot 592 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: of S. S officers came to UM came to surrender. 593 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: They weren't even in the camp. This is like, oh, 594 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: the Americans took this camp. I want to surrender. I'm 595 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: gonna go surrender. And they were executed. And apparently one 596 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: report says that some of the U. S. Soldiers gave 597 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: some of the freed inmates guns and like shovels and 598 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: things and said, have at it, fellas, and they exacted 599 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: their own revenge. Some of the Jewish inmates. Then when 600 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: I have a fewer problems with yeah, of course. Um, 601 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: but apparently General Georgia's Patton had no problem with any 602 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: of it. They formed the some of the people there, 603 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: some of the army guys, the U. S. Army guys 604 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: would probably say the lions share. I had a problem 605 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: with what was going on and complained, filed report and 606 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: there was a classified army investigation um that said, yeah, 607 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: this happened, and there were about unarmed Germans that were 608 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: executed at Dakau that day, and um, you know, he 609 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: was all the evidence, patting through the stuff in the 610 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: trash and said, you guys go home, forget this ever happened. 611 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: But one one copy was put in the National Archives. 612 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: It was mislabeled, and it sat there until and no 613 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: one had any clue about it until the Boston Globe 614 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: did like this four or five part series on the 615 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: doc Cow massacre in two dozen one, and that finally 616 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: brought it to light. Wow. So that's uh number two. 617 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: While they weren't labeled in order of importance, they were 618 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: just ten right, it even says, in no particular order, 619 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: because it's kind of sick to say, like this is 620 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: the best or this is the worst. In case it's 621 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: like this. Um. I did go to Film School Rejects so, 622 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: which is a fun website because I just started thinking 623 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 1: about revenge movies. It's a common theme. And they listed 624 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: this is their top ten. Commando, Oh yeah, that's a 625 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: good one. Gladiator yeah. Uh Friday and Jerry Lapkinson but 626 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: said me, Friday, well, those kids watched her son drown. Yeah, 627 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: oh that's true. Been her one of the granddaddys of 628 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: all revenge movies. Good one. I am being her, I 629 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: am her, I am her. Like Fall Dogs. Yeah, that 630 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: one Star Dougs is crazy. We were just talking about 631 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: the other day. It was disturbing. Kill Bill one and two, 632 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: Once upon a Time in the West. I never saw 633 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: that one either, it's supposed to be awesome. That's a 634 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: good one. The Virgin Spring, which I have not seen. 635 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: That was a Bergman picture, and The Godfather, which I 636 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: didn't really see that as a revenge. Pick revenge and 637 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: they said Death Wish is the number one. Yeah, but 638 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: they didn't have Old Boy on there. Oh yeah, the 639 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: Ultimate revenge movie. That's as revenge as it k. Yeah. 640 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: So then I told some other top ten lists and 641 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: some of the other other ones that made the list Memento, 642 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: mad Max, Carrie, great revenge movie, and Glorious Pastard's obviously 643 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: the professional the crow hard Candy, but you should see 644 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: to be confused with Jawbreaker, I'll bet have you ever 645 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: seen that movie? Now? I didn't see that. It was good. Yeah, 646 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: I spit on your grave Era of Persctable. That one 647 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: was pretty hardcore. You may likes that movie. I haven't 648 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: seen it yet. Your Reversal, yes, he said it's really good. 649 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: It's really tough to watch. But that was a good movie. 650 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: It is. Well, it's a rape revenge, so those are 651 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: those are always the best. What about the last House 652 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: on the left that's a rape Prevet's like the rape 653 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: prevenge that was next on my list? Or was that 654 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: before after I spent on your grave? When was I 655 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: spin on your graves? That have the date? No? When 656 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: I have the dates? Because the last house on the left, 657 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: I think two? Munich? Oh yeah, I spent on your 658 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: graves one was it? Yeah, Munich. That's a great revenge 659 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: movie star Trek to Wrath of con No. Really yeah, 660 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: Unforgiven pretty good one. I mean, great movie. But I 661 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: wouldn't throw it in the super revenge category and then 662 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: taken with the Liam Neeson. I enjoyed that. I did too. 663 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: I just can't get pest Liam Neeson as an action star. 664 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: You know, he has a set of very specific set 665 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: of skills and they make it unwatchable. All right, So 666 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: that is revenge and it's best served what with Liam 667 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: Neeson piping hot? Uh? Yeah, this was That was like 668 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: six of ten. So there's more for you to go read. 669 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: It's right how stuff works dot com. Um in the 670 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: article I wrote, just type in biggest revenge or even 671 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: probably just revenge in the search part how stuff works 672 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: dot Com, and that's gonna bring up this article. So 673 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: do that and I said search bar, which means the 674 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: type of listener mail or is it? It's not quite yet, chuck. Uh. 675 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: We should tell everybody about CIVA. Man. We did it. 676 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: We did what. We We met our goal in the 677 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: million dollar March. Yes, one million dollars in loans over 678 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: the past million years is gonna be October less than three. 679 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: And it all started with the well jabb at Colbert 680 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: Nation and they're just like that. They we left them 681 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,439 Speaker 1: in the dust years ago. I know when you watch 682 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: that video it's so quaint. We're like first one to 683 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars. No, I remember everybody was like, 684 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: I just know where you're gonna make it two? A 685 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. Crazy, that's a million, dude, million dollars 686 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: loaned by our Kiva team. It takes a village town 687 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: and we are proud of you guys. Thank you, yeah seriously, 688 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: and uh, I guess let's just keep going on. Let's 689 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: double down. Yeah, thank you to Glenn and Sonia as 690 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: always for helping us set our financial goals. And we'll 691 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: have a new one coming up soon. Yeah, we're not quitting. 692 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: We're not like we got a million forget it, We're done. 693 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: We're going to bed. Everyone pulled their money outr go party. No, 694 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: don't do that. Okay, Um, that's that's for December. Okay, alright, well, 695 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: so back to it, all right, Josh, I'm gonna call this, 696 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: uh cannibalism. It's been a while, but it's about cannibalism. 697 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: And I like to read good smart ones and this 698 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: is one of those guys on a biology undergrad at 699 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: University of New Mexico. Go jeeze, what do they go fighting? 700 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: As texts. Let's say, I bet you bet, you're right. 701 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: One of my recent projects was a computer model attempting 702 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: to answer some questions regarding disease transmission through cannibalism. You 703 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: close the podcast with speculation about the origin of cannibalism 704 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: and humans. Materialism versus idealism. Uh. Though both of these 705 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: arguments are compelling, they both seem to ignore just how 706 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: young the human species is. The prevalence of con specific 707 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: neck rog neck rog big necro necrofi let's say necrofogy 708 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: it sounds a kid, Yeah, man, I had that all 709 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: worked out there. Eating the dead and other species provides 710 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: evidence that cannibalism is significantly older than uts, and the 711 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: prevalence in near species like chimps suggests that it may 712 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 1: be a trait we've had since we have been a week. 713 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: Lobsters are big cannibals spiders of the sea. The materialism 714 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: versus idealism argument it takes on all new facets when 715 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: applied to chimps. Materialism materialism doesn't hold very much water, 716 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: as chimps are pretty well fed on fruits and catching 717 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: smaller simians is far easier and arguably adequate nutrition. Idealism 718 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: begs the question of just how much chimps care about 719 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Are they expecting some gain other 720 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: than nutritional value, like spiritual or even just striking fear 721 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: to the hearts of enemies? Are they even capable of this? 722 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: My guess, which is just a guess, is that they 723 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: kill for territorial reasons and then simply don't want to 724 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: waste the large quantity of delicious dude. Mhm. So that 725 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: sweet thinks maybe we started that way in some cultures 726 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: to sell onto the practice applying spiritual reasoning after the fact. 727 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: And that is smart, and that is from Mica makes Mica. 728 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 1: That is smart from New Mexico. And if you why 729 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: is new it was New Mexico State Golden Gophers. Now 730 00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: that's Minnesota, the bear Cats, the New Mexico State Bearcats Eagles. 731 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: Holds no, that's our our school, Georgia. UM. If you 732 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 1: had your interest piqued by Micah's assessment of cannibalism, you 733 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: might want to go listen to our cannibalism podcast. We 734 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: did an episode on it a while back and it's 735 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: one of our favorites. Pretty good. Um, and let's see 736 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: what else. If you have a great revenge story we 737 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: want to hear it. Yeah, there's lots of internet revenge 738 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: going on. I was gonna talk about some of it, 739 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: like the people who post anonymous and all that, but um, oh, 740 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: I know it's you mean. I don't like that, Like, oh, 741 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: my boyfriend wronged me, so let me do photoshops of 742 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: him and a bikini and make it a meme. I 743 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: don't know. 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