WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 4/9: Draft Buzz, Positional Draft Favorites: Offense 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.040 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:18.840 Lazar and Alex Barth. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:20.880 And Lazarre. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:24.800 Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us Always buy our bark. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.400 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr The only coach 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.800 you can get away with that technique. There's one coach. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.920 The answers, but that way p one question it love it, 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.000 that was good. That was good. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:43.080 That made me feel good. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:43.680 That was a good. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.200 That was my favorite SoundBite to come from the owner's meetings. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.680 Oh, I'm sure it was favorite sound bite. Nothing, nothing, 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:57.040 but the coach that coaches, you're the team you cover said, certainly. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.080 There's very well had a good You had a good presser. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.040 I talked about building a tough, physical football team, didn't 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.119 he Not only that, nobody talked I'd rather hear about 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.679 that than ep a Ian. Rather hear about how you're 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.440 gonna win football games. And as long as the math lines. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.160 Up, how you're gonna win football games is by building 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.680 a good passing game. That's how that's the point that 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:18.720 he was making. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.959 By building good football team. Good passing game equals wins, 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.320 and good football team equals wins. 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.120 I don't understand that they're they're the same thing. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.959 There's I believe it or not, there's more to football 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:36.720 than just throwing the ball. Yes, there is, for balance purposes. Sure, sure, 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.679 there's more to football than throwing the ball. All right, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.400 I promise you watch a football game sometime. You'll be surprised. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:46.080 Oh wow, Okay, that's where you're going. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, Evan, 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:52.520 watch a football game that never happens. All right, Hello, everybody, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.960 Evan Lazar, Alex Bars Patriots Catch twenty two. Two weeks 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.480 Alex two weeks to go until the NFL Draft. Two 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.320 weeks in a day. But I'm gonna call it two weeks. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.360 I'm gonna round down and call it two weeks. Look, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.520 the hay is not quite in the barn for me personally, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.400 but it's getting there. We're we're we're getting to hayes 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.520 in the barn status, Like we got a few more 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:14.520 was it biales? 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:14.799 Right? 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.200 Bales of hay to go? Yeah, but we're very very close. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.919 And now is how many players? Would you say you're 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:21.160 up to? 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.000 Probably about one thirty? 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:25.880 Yeah, okay, I'm probably not range. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:27.799 Yeah, I'm trying to get to one fifty this year. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.920 Usually I get to around between one twenty five and 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.200 one fifty. But this year, I'm trying to get to 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.520 that one fifty more because they have those two fifths 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:37.840 and you just, you know, you kind of want to 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.920 know a little bit more about early day three in 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.799 a year like this. But we're getting to the point 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:50.960 now where the intel's changing daily. It almost feels like, right, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.200 you know, last week it was a lock that, uh, 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.880 the Cleveland Browns are gonna take Abdual Carter at number two. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.160 Now it's a lock that Travis Hunters is going to 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.400 go to to the Browns. It feels like we're in 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.760 that part of the off season, which I think is 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:11.040 interesting because now is the time where the scouting staffs, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.720 the coaching staffs, the heads of department, if you will. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.400 Now they have their final draft meetings, and really, up 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.960 until this point, the board hasn't been set yet truly, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.760 and I know people find that hard to believe, but 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.640 the board outside of maybe Tennessee, who might know exactly 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:33.000 who they're taking because they're taking somebody first. Overall, it 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.080 takes a minute to set the board in terms of 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.800 all these visits and workouts and all that kind of stuff. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.800 So we're in the next week or so, I would 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.400 say in set the board territory now for NFL teams, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.680 and when that happens, you often start to hear some 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.320 trickling out of more information that might be more accurate. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.800 I think it was two drafts ago, maybe it was 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.680 last year's draft that Bill Belichick's is. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.320 Last year on McAfee. I was going to bring this 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.880 up last year on McAfee, Bill Belichick said, the accurate 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:05.480 information from teams doesn't really start leaking out until about 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.360 twelve hours before the draft. Yeah, and I remember looking 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.920 at it last year. Remember it was JJ McCarthy to 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.200 Patriots JJJJJJ. By the way, JJ McCarthy's agent I hopefully 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.360 got a raise after last year. But it was about 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.640 ten hours out last year that we started getting those 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.800 reports that, Hey, it's Drake may yeh, it's gonna be 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.520 Drake may So. Because, like you said, the scouts have 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.480 been doing their thing, the coaches have been doing their thing. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.760 This is where they all come together. These next two 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.440 weeks two and a half weeks. We call this time 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.000 of your silly season. This is the silliest time of 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.000 silly season because and I love and hate this part 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.320 of the draft process. This is the most like exhausting 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.560 part in a good way, in a bad way. As 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.760 we go on early, right, you have the Senior Bowl, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.680 the Shrine Bowl, you have the Combine, you have Pro Days, 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.760 you have free agency, Like we're getting all this new 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:00.320 information and there's changing takes and it's all evolving because 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.680 there's new things you have to consider that you have 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.720 to involve. At this point, I don't know when the 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.520 deadline is for thirties. I think it's the end of 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.560 this week, so there's still mighty it's next week, it's 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.560 next week. Yeah, but most teams have them done, Like 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.479 there's still gonna be some thirties trickling in. But outside 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.440 of that, for the teams, the hey is in the 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.360 barn like they're done. So we're not really gonna get 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.960 any unless it gets confirmed who the Browns are gonna take, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:28.120 which won't happen until twelve hours for the draft. We're 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.160 not gonna get externally any new information here in these 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.880 next two weeks. So now it's just the same thoughts 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.320 churning through your head over and over. But it's two weeks. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.359 We need stuff to talk about, and now's when the 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.200 real ridiculous stuff starts to come out. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.440 Yeah, one hundred percent. And this is a part of 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.800 the draft where I hate this part. Honestly, this is 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.080 my least favorite part because you just start to hear 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.920 a lot of silliness. You also start to have people 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.880 that and I'm guilty of this too, that are just 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.839 so dug in on their take and there's so take 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.560 ordered well to put certain players. Right now, you're just 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.919 at the point where it's almost argumentative because it's you 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.599 just have your guys, I have my guys, and we're 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.200 just not gonna be well, they're not gonna find a 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:10.720 common ground. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.000 It's the same arguments over and over because again there 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.160 is no new information. But so you get some people 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:19.039 who are so dug in. You also get some people who, uh, 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.280 you know, want something new to talk about. So now 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.840 we're just pulling these random what if ashion. Genty goes 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.719 to Evan with the brown stick ash and genty. 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:28.720 Second, I haven't even heard that. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.080 I just hear I haven't either, But I bet you 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:32.800 in the next two weeks we're gonna hear somebody bring 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.800 up what if, Like what if the not necessarily as 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.800 a report, but again because we have this time to 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.479 fill and there's nothing new, so we're gonna create something new. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.560 What if fashion genty goes second? 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.960 Yeah, I've heard, you know for the Patriots. You know, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.640 we've seen some mock drafts recently, Jalen Walker as I 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.919 picked up a little bit of steam. You know, obviously 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.440 all the trade down scenarios and stuff like that have 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.760 been popular. So you hear a lot of that kind 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.800 of stuff. And we're gonna get into some of the 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.279 new use for the Patriots with the draft or the 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.640 Patriots adjacent news at least as well here in a second. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.680 And then we're also gonna do My Guys starting today. 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.880 So My Guys is a fun segment we like to 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.720 do if you're not familiar. Basically, these are just the 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.240 guys at Alex and I independently will stand on the 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.440 table for right. We're pounding the table for these guys. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.000 We're planting our flags like these are our guys. We're 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.720 gonna do offense today, so we'll go every position, quarterback, receiver, 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.280 running back, tight end, offensive line. Actually I did guard 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.120 and were doing into your end tackles right with the 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.560 offensive line, and we just do an offensive line doesn't matter. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:36.240 I can split it up. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.760 We'll get into all the my guys for the offense. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.400 Next week we'll do defense, and the following week we'll 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.960 just kind of do a general preview slash, you know, 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.960 rap show on the pre draft process. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:47.080 If you will. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.840 So that's the agenda for today. 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Anyways, the big thing I 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:02.040 wanted to start with today is that there's some rumblings 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.960 and again, this is silly season. This is we start 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.440 to get, uh, you know, a little bit tired whatever 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.840 of all the draft talk. But I think Abdul Carter 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.080 is starting to become a little bit of a hot 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.680 button topic of you know, could Abdul Carter be the 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.680 one that falls to four. I think we've talked a 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.280 lot about Travis Hunter falling to four, but after his 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.520 pro day and and after some of the news that 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:29.240 trickled out from Cleveland's side following Travis Hunter's pro day, 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.520 I think they're their GM fight out said like, can 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.679 I draft both? In terms of shador in Travis Hunter, So. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.160 There's obviously Ken if he wants come up to four. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:44.520 Yeah, there's obviously an infatuation with with Travis Hunter across 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:49.000 the league, which is not surprising, but with Abdul Carter specifically, Uh, 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.319 if he's there at four, I think there's an interesting 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.520 discussion that comes to that one. It's another defensive player 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.560 on that side of the ball. But what I continued 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.240 to say is that it is a player that is 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.240 so far above the rest of the pack that you 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.439 have to take talent where the talent is right. And 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.480 I would not sweat it one bit to sit at 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.200 four and have Abdul Carter fall in their laps, But 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.120 I do want to talk about some of the things 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.760 with the abdual Carter that might be causing him to fall. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.440 But what are just your general impressions right now of 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.640 all this chatter surrounding Abdul Carter? 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:26.480 So I don't know. Maybe I'm in the minority here 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.360 because there's been a lot of reporting that the Browns 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.679 were there for Travis Hunter. But and I get they 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.000 sent a big group. I understand that, and Travis Hunter's 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.079 a great player. Is the owner really traveling for a 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.800 wide receiver? Is the owner traveling to see a wide receiver. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.240 Like now he did go to Penn State. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.720 Okay, so, but just the whole party is reminiscent to 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.839 me of what the Patriots sent to LSU and two 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.080 UNC last year. I'm like, this is what teams generally 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.000 send for quarterbacks. So maybe that means that they're going 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.280 to try to move up and get Sanders in, like 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.240 the teens move up from the second round and get 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.040 Sanders in the teens. And they are going to take 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:05.800 Hunter at two, and they do want to pair them up. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.120 But I still think if Sanders goes too, this is 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.360 the part I feel stronger about my conviction. I'm not 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.840 necessarily one hundred percent sold on the Browns doing anything 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:19.680 right now. I do feel like if it is Sanders 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.640 at two, which is admittedly a big if, if it 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.839 is Sanders a two, Travis Hunter is gonna go three. Yeah. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.320 I do think that's the path too. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.199 It happening, yeah, yeah, And I feel like that's that's 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.200 where I'm at. I'm trying to think about this realistically. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.840 You know, if the draft is Ward Sanders Hunter, then 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.959 I think that's probably now the most realistic way this goes. 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.040 That one of those two guys falls to the Patriots. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.880 Hunter Carter falls to the Patriots is if the draft 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:51.480 goes Ward Sanders one and two. I don't think if 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:55.000 the draft goes Ward Hunter, that the Giants are going 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.720 to pass over Abdul Carter. So the Giants were then 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.840 I would believe would would draft Carter. So he's not 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.800 on the board for you anyways. The one thing that 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.319 I wanted to talk about it I always want to 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:09.680 be careful with this kind of stuff, obviously, but it's 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.720 not my reporting, it's just what's out there about Abdul Carter. 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.120 Bob McGinn does a great job every single year of 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.160 really digging up the true feelings of the NFL on 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:19.840 each problem. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.480 He is the draft boogeyman. You don't want to see 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.160 Bob mcgainn writing about a player, do you like? 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.520 Yeah, So he comes out every single year, position by 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.880 a position, and he's got scouts on the record anonymously 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.440 talking about these players. 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.480 And he was the one for Reference last year. Remember 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.120 like a week before the draft and we were big 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.679 Ady Mitchell guys that put out there that Ady Mitchell 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:43.520 was going to fall because teams didn't like the way 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.160 he managed his diet his diabetes. Right, Is that what 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.840 it was? And I so Adie Mitchell then falls on 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.240 draft night way beyond where anybody thought. I don't think 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:54.920 it was ever confirmed that that's why. But like you 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.719 tie those two together, it's like, Okay, here's a guy 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.880 a week before, two weeks before that said he was 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:00.880 going to have the significant fall and then he had 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.800 a significant fault. Yeah, So I don't think we're we're 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.800 quite with the things that McGain is reporting or is sourcing. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.520 I don't think we're quite in Jailen Carter territory where 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.959 there was an actual legal incident. Well that wasn't a 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.480 report that just happened right. 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.600 Well, that's what I'm saying in terms of I don't 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.120 think we're in that territory because I know he had 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.880 the incident a year ago with the total truck driver 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.200 and all that he's been cleared of any charges of 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.840 that in that case, unless there's more cases that we 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.160 don't know about that weren't you know, risen to the 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.960 legal level, you know, where he's getting charged with anything, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.600 Like I guess maybe that could happen. But my point being, 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.360 Jalen Carter had the it was speeding right or reckless 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:48.640 driving yea drag racing that that happened like the spring 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.560 of the draft, right like that happened that year. So 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.559 Jalen Carter ended up falling ten uh to Philadelphia obviously, 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.079 and that looks like a home run pick for them. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.360 But here's what McGinn wrote, you know, just kind of 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.720 I'm not gonna read the whole thing, but here here's 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.320 an excerpt from m again on Abdul Carter. That scout 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.880 was one of four personnel people to express reservations about 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.440 Carter's makeup. He's not a great worker, said one plays 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.040 his butt off on Saturday, but he's not a great 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.840 guy during the week because he's so gifted. So I 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.040 think the bit the general gist of what McGinn wrote 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.440 from all these different scouts about Carters. He's a little 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:26.080 high maintenance. 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:27.080 He's kind of a diva. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.040 He's a little high maintenance, you know, and he's one 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.480 of those guys that Monday through Saturday might not give 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.120 it as all, but Sunday he obviously, you know, when 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:37.480 you turn on the tape, you can see what he 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.800 can do on Sundays or Saturdays, you know, in college football. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.960 So I think the number one thing to me with 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.520 all of this, I always take this type of stuff 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.400 with a grain of salt. You know, you never know 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.720 if anybody has a motive or an axe to grind 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.840 or whatever with a certain player. I tried not to 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.680 look too much into any of that kind of stuff 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.120 and just stick to the to the football and stick 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.880 to the tape. But when Rabel's here and Elliot Wolf 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.440 and Ryan Cowden, and we can see it with their 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:09.120 actions that they have been big culture evaluating us, you know, 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.040 effort and finish on the football field, getting the right 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.680 kind of football players, getting the culture. Guys in this 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.680 locker room, getting former captains, you know, guys that are 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.520 gonna circle the wagons for them with guys like Harold Landry, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.400 like just they're big on culture. Yeah, they're big on 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.880 that word. And if Carter is there again, it's a 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.520 talent grab. It's a situation where you can't hesitate in 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.160 my opinion, but it is a test. It's a little 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:40.360 bit of a test of how much are they willing 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:45.160 to bend in that department Because to me, the reason 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.000 why Travis Hunter is getting some number two buzz now 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:53.000 over Abdul Carter is that Travis Hunter is a perfect 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.680 off and on the field football player he is. He 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.600 eats breeze football. He always says like I have eight 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.160 hours of sleep in sixteen hours to work on football, 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:04.960 and like that's the type of guy that he is. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.720 He's a worker. He's very prepared. He does a lot 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.560 of film study. His character is very well thought of. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.360 All he does. All he does is study football and 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.120 play video games. That's really it. Yeah, Like he talked 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.440 about this on College Game Day last year where he 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.160 was like, I'm in the film room, I'm Matt practice, 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:23.840 I'm in the workroom, and they're like, you must do 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.200 something else. He's a streamer, that's you know what a 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.040 lot of these kids do. That's what he does. But 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.800 usually like he plays CFB twenty five like it's still 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:36.239 a football game. So that he is it is really underrated. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.200 I would say the most underrated part about his game 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.000 right now, just the general consensus what I read about 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.520 him is how much of a student of the game 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:45.720 he truly is. 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:52.280 Yeah, yeah, and if Abdol Carter isn't that And we're 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.040 looking at the two of these players, and I think 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.080 most people would agree either they're one two or two one, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.360 and they're both kind of equally graded. In that blue 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.120 chip terrritory. Like these types of things, when you're making 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.320 a pick that high can certainly sway you towards one 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.440 player versus another. Do you think that Vrabel would concede 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.160 on the culture stuff because Carter is just so overwhelmingly talented. 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.720 Well, this is kind of a I don't want to 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:21.760 do that. It's a catch twenty two. On one hand, 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.879 he doesn't necessarily fit the culture that you're looking for, 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.040 and that might be a red flag. On the other hand, 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.440 isn't this part of why you build that strong culture 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.440 Because if there is a guy that's so monumentally talented, 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.880 and Bill did this again and again and again. If 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.960 there is a guy that's so monumentally talented but maybe 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.000 isn't exactly the person you wanted to be, the idea 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.640 is you can get him in a room that's ninety 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.200 ninety five percent guys that are all pulling in the 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.360 same direction. You hope he's going to buy into that, 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.960 that the culture will support him and uplift him. So now, 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.719 it's one thing to do that ten years in. It's 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.439 another thing to do what you're right. If we were 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.400 having this conversation ten years into the raable tenure, i'd say, 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.359 and things go the way we think they're gonna go, 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.440 or he thinks they're gonna go, absolutely right. You bring 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.840 them in and okay, like the culture is there, the 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.280 program is instilled, and it's just gonna what is it, 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.360 high tides, lift all boats or whatever, like it's gonna 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.240 help me out year one. It's a little more of 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.400 a risk. But the other argument is, this is why 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.760 you build a strong culture. So when a guy like 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.680 Abdull Carter is available with his talent, even if he's 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.879 maybe he doesn't isn't as motivated as you want him 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.800 to be, he's gonna have no choice but to change 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.880 the way he operates when he gets in this building, 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.200 because that's just how things are done in this building. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.919 Yeah, I agree, and and I think the other you know, conversation, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.520 I don't want to spend too much time on the 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.720 character still because I don't know Abdul Carter, Like it's 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.040 not my reporting, Like I don't know the guy's when 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.959 you start to talk about why could he be falling? 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.600 And that's sort of a conversation that's going around right now. 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.679 This is the only reason why it's obviously not the 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.520 tape right, like it's it's obviously not the foot player 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.439 because we can all see how talented he is, but 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.280 it might be some of this other stuff. I don't 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.840 think it's the foot I I think that that's that's 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:08.520 something that is. 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.280 Oh no, he can't, he can't do half a mini camp. 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:12.520 We got drive somebody else. 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.480 Like, No, I don't think it's that. This to me 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:16.840 is is one hundred percent. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.920 Uh. If there's anything going on, it might be care 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.720 I hate doing this stuff, but it also is it's 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.440 important context, like we because we're projecting off the tape, right, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.720 but the one part piece of information that we don't have. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.840 We're not in the meeting rooms with these guys. Yeah, 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.199 we and you hear coaches talk here and there, but 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.840 everybody has an agenda, right, We don't have necessarily the 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.800 full personality, mental makeup picture that the teams do. So 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.200 we this happens every year. There's one or two guys 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.840 I really like that fall and it's why do they fall? 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.639 If if you thought they were so good? Has happened 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.840 with Deman Jones a couple of years ago. You know, 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:55.720 I thought he's gonna be an early second round pick. 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.960 He went what mid fourth like early forth, Sometimes guys 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:00.520 fall a little bit and it's like, already felt a 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.240 little bit. Maybe I was wrong. There's a certain point 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:03.960 where a guy falls to a level where it's like, 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.320 clearly somebody knows something I don't know. And at this 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.520 point I'll go with the somebody. Nolan Smith. We thought 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.720 Nolan Smith was a clear cut first round pick and 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.320 we were shocked when he felt like beyond the top twenty. 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:18.840 What do you end up going third round? Right? You mean? 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:19.000 Ni? 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.600 Kobe Dean? N Kobe Dean, thank you? Yeah? Na Kobe 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.360 Dean goes like very late in the draft, and then 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.120 it comes out he had a shoulder injury that nobody 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.000 knew about. And it's like if I had known that, 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.240 I would have adjusted, but it wasn't out there. So yeah, 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.680 I hate talking about this stuff, but it all it's 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.760 the part of the picture that we don't have. So 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.399 when we get these little nuggets of it, I do 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.000 think it's worth the dressing. And it goes the other 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.119 way too. It's not just to beat on guys like 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.080 we've talked about, but the good things usually those are 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:50.639 put out there because they're good and they want you 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.439 to know, when we hear about like the leadership of 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.239 certain players or things like that, how they are as 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:57.960 a teammate. Like, the good stuff is going to be 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:59.439 put out there, so we have a little bit more 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:00.320 of that to talk about. 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.240 Whether you think it's overblown or not with some of 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:05.760 this stuff that comes out in these you know, McGinn 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:10.320 style articles. Dan Brukler released the Beasts today. Usually Dan's 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.679 a little bit more timid with some of this stuff. 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.360 But if there is honest. 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.879 Concerns about a player's you know, mental makeup. You know 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.480 Javon Baker, I remember last year, you know, some of 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.560 this stuff about his maturity and all that kind of 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.760 stuff came in the Beast like that that he'll come 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.800 out and say it too, right, And it's important because, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.159 like you said, we're on the outside looking in to 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.240 this puzzle. We don't have all the information at hand, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.120 and when we will, you know, get our takes out. 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.359 It's about the tape, it's about the film, it's about 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.240 the player, and we have to realize that this other 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.560 stuff is just as important to teams as the football. 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.119 Yeah, and we did. The only reason we don't talk 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:53.840 about it is is we don't have it right, right, 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.680 we will look and sometimes it ends up being Psyeah. 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.000 Two years ago, teams were worried Christian Zalez was soft yeah, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:01.920 and he wouldn't make it, and he fell to fourteen, 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.000 and then he fell to seventeen, and Annual fourteen he 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.480 went over him. Kean White too, Kean waves another one. 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.040 So sometimes it ends up being bs yeah in the 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.679 at the end. But it impact we're talking about when 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.240 we're talking about draft stock. It matters. And then you 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.880 know I said it about Gonzales at the time, all right, 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.240 it impacted this draft stock. I understand that. I didn't 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:21.879 think it was going to impact him as a player. 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.439 Those are two different conversations. Team screwed the draft up 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:26.120 all the time. You have to consider that. 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.280 So the other thing, as we segue into the next 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.840 news item I wanted to bring up, I have zero 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.320 hesitations about Abdul Carter playing defense, like not being like 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.680 a tackle or a receiver an offensive player. I think 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.960 the bad teams stay bad by passing on better players 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.800 for needs. Right, any if you have a chance to 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.320 get Abdul Carter now, you might look at me and 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.280 say you think Mason Graham's a better prospect than Will 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.000 Campbell or you think Jalen Walker is a bet. Those 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.080 guys to me are in the same cluster. They're in 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:02.200 the same stack, so need andsosition and positional value might 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:04.920 be a little bit more heavily weighted when you're within 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:08.120 a tier of players. Abdul Carter is in his own tier, 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.600 different tier, right, So when we're talking about Abdul Carter 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.280 over Will Campbell, or Abdul Carter over Ted McMillan or 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.520 Tyler Warren or whatever the case may be, we're talking 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:18.840 about a different level of prospect. 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.800 Gent is in that tier with Kit, with Carter and Hunter. 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.200 To me, he's just it's sure the running back thing. 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:29.560 But like I so to case in point for the Giants, 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.639 if it goes quarterback quarterback, they get to do the 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.840 whole positional value and fit thing. Yeah, with Carter and Hunter. 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:37.880 And that's why I think they would take Travis Hunter, 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.160 even though Carter might be a little bit of a prospect. 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.400 The one thing that kind of haves edge, So they 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:45.320 get to do that. If you're the Patriots and it's 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:48.199 Abdul Carter or the field, you don't get to do 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:50.920 that or Travis Hunter in the field. You don't really 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:54.520 get to do that because they're such different levels of player. 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:56.399 And I like what the Patriots have done on the 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.399 defensive line. Milton Williams is obviously a great player, a 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:02.560 good sign Harold l Anders, a solid signing that's gonna 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:06.040 be an NFL caliber starter that's gonna be plug and 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:08.840 play and a defense he's familiar with. But they don't 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:10.879 have it. They don't have a sack artist, like, they 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.240 don't have a finisher. They to me Abdull Carter completes 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.040 the defense like that's a cherry on top of the Sunday. 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:20.160 We've talked so much about the coverage dictating wide receiver. Yeah, 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:25.040 the blocking, dictating pass rusher. They don't have the Matthew Judon. 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:27.120 Right, the jude On, you know, the pure one on 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:31.080 one winner on the outside that's gonna have double digit sacks, right, 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:32.040 I don't know if they have that. 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.679 Who's the guy that's going to force offenses to do 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:39.160 things differently? And boy, you drop Carter into the thing. Carter, 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:42.320 Milton Williams, Christian Barmore. He is healthy, which probablys great 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.719 to seem in the building this week. Ye can right for workouts? Well, 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:47.520 I was just going to say, at all three levels, right, 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.159 you talk about cornerstone players. Kean White will see you 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:53.440 can get there, He's not there yet. Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:58.359 Abdul Carter, Christian Gonzales. That's a defensive core. Yeah, that 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:00.919 is a true core that you can build around. And like, 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.320 those guys are going to give you a really solid floor. 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.680 When I look at the Patriots and then I promise 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:08.040 we'll move on because and I spend a lot of 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:09.720 time on this, but when I look at the Patriots 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.280 in terms of, you know what, there are pillars of 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:19.760 this team moving forward, Drake May, Christian Gonzalez and potentially 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:24.640 Abdul Carter. Doesn't that feel a little bit like Stroud, 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.600 Stingly and Will Anderson in Houston a little bit? 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:27.920 Right? 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:31.640 Like it's very similar. Obviously, Drake May hasn't risen quite 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.520 yet to the C. J. Stroud level. I wouldn't say 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:38.120 Stingley and Gonzales both all pro corners. I think Will 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:42.320 Anderson and Abdull Carter are adjacent in terms of talent 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.280 and you know, just ceiling as prospects coming out of college. 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.760 The Texans just did this right. The Texans just kind 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:51.560 of put set themselves up for the next at least 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:55.320 five years of being a playoff contending team. 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.080 Well before they tore their offensive line apartment. 0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.840 Yeah yeah, Now the difference is, and this is where 0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.080 we get into defense and some of the guys I'm 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.320 I'm gonna mention with some of these recent visits that 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.439 have been reported, the little bit of difference is that 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.240 the Texans hit on Day two picks right, so that 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.560 they hit on Dave two picks specifically on offense. I 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.119 know he's been you know it hurt at times, but 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.919 you know, tant Dell, Nico Collins, you know, players like 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:22.840 that like you need to if you're gonna draft best available, 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:24.840 which is what I think Houston pretty much did with 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:26.359 Stingley and will Anderson. 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.440 Well they moved up to get and. 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:31.800 Yeah, but they he was the best player available and 0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.840 they moved up and got him. When you draft those 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.560 types of players on one side of the football, you 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.000 got to hit in rounds two through seven on some 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:43.080 of the other positions that are going to be important 0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.440 to your offense. And Nico Collins is like a mid 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.000 round draft pick that turns into one of the best 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.600 receivers in football. You know, that's right, that's the type 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.119 of thing you have to do. So along those same lines, 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:57.960 the Patriots reportedly again over the last week or so, 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:02.880 have met host did Mikel Williams and Shamar Stewart on 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:07.639 thirty visits. Now, my instant reaction to that was, oh, well, 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.560 they're stacking a trade down, right, Like if a trade 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.359 down is their best option at four. And I'm not 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.199 saying that they want a trade down or they have 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.719 a trade down in place. I'm just saying if like, 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.359 you have to come up with all the contingencies and 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.160 be prepared for every single possible contingency that could come 0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.560 your way. So let's say they get the draft night, 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.840 Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter go in the top three. 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:34.040 They're sitting at four. The New Orleans Saints call, right, 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.919 and they want Shador Sanders, So they're trading up for 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:40.200 Shador Standers. You go back to nine. Who are what's 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:41.680 your stack at nine? 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:42.040 Right? 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.280 Like, who are the guys that you would be comfortable 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.640 with taking at nine? And Mikel Williams and Shamar Stewart 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.800 to me, would fit into that stack that range of 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:55.720 the draft. Now, I'm definitely mikel over Shamar Stewart. I 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.959 think Mikyle Williams is a much better football player than 0:27:59.000 --> 0:27:59.800 Shamar Stewart. 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.320 Williams said McKay like the safety. 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:06.800 I said, I don't know. Mike hal Williams. 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:07.160 Yeah. 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:11.480 Uh, he's a better football player to me than Stuart. 0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.360 Stewart's a better athlete. Stuart's a one to one athlete, 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:18.920 you know, absolutely rare tools and athleticism. But I didn't 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:20.920 love what I saw on tape from Stewart. I thought 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:22.880 he was stiff. It doesn't have a ton of bend 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.840 off the edge, not gonna win with much finesse. You know, 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:29.760 I really actually thought watching him that Will Campbell, you know, 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:31.640 kind of ate his lunch. Like he really didn't give 0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.280 Will Campbell very many problems at all. You know, Guys 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.080 like Kyle Knard, you know, his teammate Nick Scot and 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:39.520 like some more twitched up guys that can you know, 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.000 win with more speed and win with more finesse. Like 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.840 those guys tended to give Will Campbell some problems. But 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.840 to me right now, Shamar Stewart's a ball play. He's 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.320 a risk I think for the Patriots shore to your 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.120 point earlier if we were two, three, four years into 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.760 this thing and they had somehow got into the you know, 0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.120 a top ten pick or a late top ten pick, 0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:02.440 and they want to give Rabel and Terrell Williams this 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:06.479 ball of clay, you know, raw toolsy athletic pass rusher, 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:08.880 you know, have at it. But I think the Patriots 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.840 need to get on base with this draft pick as 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:14.040 much as anything. They need to hit one right down 0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:17.280 the fairway. Mikel Williams, I think does that a little 0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:20.080 bit more, a little bit more college production, a little 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.360 bit more translatable. I think to a four to three 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:23.840 and you know he's a four to three base end, 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:27.240 like that's what he is. Great length, you know, above 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.840 average length in terms of arm length, and also stride 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.160 length as well. I think is a good strength of 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:37.160 his really good film against Kelvin Banks Junior. A trade 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:42.240 down to nine ish in drafting Mikel Williams or you know, 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.680 Jalen Walker, I know is getting some buzz as well. 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.000 To get a nine. I feel like he's heat. That guy, 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:48.160 screams Carolina Panther. 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.240 Yeah, yeah, either one of those guys, though, I'd be 0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.720 okay with in that scenario but what are your thoughts 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.360 in the meeting with those guys, because I think Williams 0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.880 and again, I think Williams and Stewart are kind of 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.280 in the no man's land for them, like it doesn't 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:03.800 really feel like they're going to be in a position 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:04.720 to draft those guys. 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.680 Well, so, Stuart, I've seen some mocks that put them 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:10.920 down into the twenties. Now, some of that is Mike 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:13.840 Green going higher than expected with that, that's another guy 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:18.320 that has some non football concerns. Yeah, some of those 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.080 mocks have some other edge guys going earlier, but no, 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.520 they're they're they want to be ready if a trade 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.560 down comes. You can't get to nine and be like, shoot, 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.480 we don't know anything about any of these guys, right, 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.920 so you want to be prepared in that situation. It 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.640 also might be something we've heard of this. Both those 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.520 guys played in the SEC, right, Yeah, Hey, what you 0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:39.040 what did you think of well Campbell? Yeh? What was 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.360 it like facing him? Kelvin Banks? What was that like? 0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.560 Going up against him like that? That's the best that 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.800 can be some of the best intel you get literally 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:48.880 talking the guys who are lined up on the other side. 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.479 So it doesn't have to be one of the other. 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:52.880 It could be both. Hey, we want to know about 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.440 a trade back and also we're kind of interested in 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.160 what this guy is to say about some of the tackles. 0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:00.800 So I don't hate it they're doing. They're due diligence. 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.960 I see people freak out some time they're burning thirty visits. 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:07.800 Thirty is a lot of visits, especially when you consider that, well, 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:09.560 they don't have as much help with the local pro 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.080 dates as like, there's no reason for the Cowboys to 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.760 have a thirty Yeah, because you can. You can host 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.560 players who are either I think it's what within ninety 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:19.560 miles of your team facility. 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.600 There's some like outside the lines with that in terms 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:25.120 of like the lines, I mean literally like drawing the 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:29.280 mileage lines, Like Yukon is a local visit for the Patriots, 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:31.680 So I don't know if it exactly fits into the mileage, 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:33.960 but they stretch it because they know there isn't a 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:35.520 ton of college football. 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:37.960 The Cowboys have the university, they have all those schools 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:39.960 in Dallas, plus all the kids that are from that 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:44.200 area that ARECU Baylor. Yeah, some of the Florida teams too, 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.480 the Dolphins, the Jags. They have a nice advantage there. 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:50.800 But yeah, that's a side rant. Yeah, no, I think 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:51.720 it's just due diligence. 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:53.520 Yeah, I would agree with that. 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.560 And it's also you know, it's a smoke screen too, 0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:00.000 like if they only met with Will Campbell, do they 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.440 meet with Membo? So I don't. 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.840 I'm sure they have, but I don't know if. 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.800 For thirty, But if you have Will Campbell visit and 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:11.640 that's it, you kind of lose a lot of leverage 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.560 if you're trying to make a trade or what have you. 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:16.960 So yeah, get to know the top guys on the board. 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.120 I think it's interesting. Uh, you know, we hear these 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:26.040 thirty visits and you mentioned that them knowing the opponents 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.160 that they've gone up against. You know, Calvin Banks Junior 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:31.200 is a good one. I don't know if if Williams 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:34.000 ever faced Campbell maybe two years ago. They didn't play 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.080 Georgia last year. I know that, But anyways, yeah, uh, 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.320 maybe he has along the line. But I've heard that 0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:44.240 before that guys will get hosted for visits and they'll 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:47.200 spend the entire visit talking about their teammate or talking 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.720 about a guy they went up against. Usually it's a teammate. 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.680 Like usually you're you bring in like you know, a 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:57.280 quarterbacks receiver, recorder, you know, vice versa, and like you 0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.640 kind of use them to get to know the other player. 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.000 But there's times where like they'll say, yeah, like they 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.640 didn't ask me any questions about me, that they're asking 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.000 me all questions about you know, Shador, They're asking me 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.720 all questions about Travis Hunter. Like you know, it's something 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.840 totally different. But I looked at that in my at 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.200 face value and said, you know, if they if they 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.520 orchestrated trade down here than those two guys. And I 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.440 think in general, just having interesting interest in edge in 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:25.880 general makes a lot of sense. And I know some 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.560 people look at it and and want other positions and 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.080 want them to fill other needs early in the draft. 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.080 But it's a great edge class. And I would say 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:38.080 that the Patriots still could use a young, you know, 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.120 developing player there. You know, Harold Landry I think is 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:43.240 good for now. He's he's going to be a good 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:47.000 starter for them in the short term. Really opposite of Landry, 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.320 you know, is it Kean White, you know, is he 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.080 an outside guy? Is he really more just a rotational 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:55.400 inside guy? You know, Chase On I think is really 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.120 a situational pass rusher. I don't think he's a starting 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:04.360 end for them, So drafting somebody at that position, I again, 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:06.360 like going back to the Abdual Carter thing. I don't 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.120 think it's crazy, Like I don't. 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.520 I'm with you, but I think in this draft, like 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.239 they don't need to take that guy in the first 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:14.399 round and get that guy. There's some really good Day 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:15.200 two edge guys. 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.399 All right, let's get into my guys, and then we'll 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:20.960 take the calls in the emails for the last hour 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.200 or so here. Let's start with quarterback as we can 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:25.160 kind of probably. 0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:26.879 Go pretty quickly. Just go to the first round. Yeah, 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.760 first round, guys are out let me at real quick. 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:33.160 Just aside from the Patriots. Who ends up being QB 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:33.960 three and where does he go? 0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:41.920 Jackson Dart yep, mid to eight first like twenties. 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.080 So I when I did my mock draft, I added, 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.200 as Jackson Dart, I had the Giants moving up to 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:48.160 I think twenty six to take them. I had them 0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:54.200 taking Hunter right and then Jackson Dart makes the most sense. 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:56.960 Jalen Miller accepted that invite to the draft, so so 0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:02.520 I'm not se was surprising some people. I think he's no, no. 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.800 I just quarterback. I gotta be honest. I just didn't 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.560 really care too much about quarterbacks. So, uh, I liked 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:10.200 what I saw. 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:11.120 At Jillian Milroe though. 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:12.959 And you know, most of these guys I just watched 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.960 because I was watching other guys, and you obviously the quarterbacks, 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.640 so you see them. I just look at Jalen Milroe. Uh, 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.279 he's such a great athlete and uh he's got some 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:24.760 zip on the ball. Like he's not a bad thrower either. 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.960 That I think you can build an offense with Jalen Milroe. Like, 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.520 it's gonna have to be specific to Jalen Milroe. It's 0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:34.400 gonna have to be, you know, similar to what the 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.359 Eagles do with her, you know, and stuff like that, 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.879 even you know, the Commanders with Jayden Daniels. It's gonna 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:41.879 have to be specific to the player, and it's gonna 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.080 have to be different, uh than you know, you're not 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:48.400 gonna just plug him into a pro style NFL offense 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:50.640 that goes under center and uh and does what NFL 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.200 pocket quarterbacks do and expect it to work. But if 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.400 you're crafty enough, if you're creative enough as an offensive mind. 0:35:57.760 --> 0:35:57.880 Uh. 0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:00.160 I think that there's so much raw talent there and 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:04.680 raw ability, especially with his athleticism and his mobility, that 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.560 I'd be willing to take a bet on Jalen Hurts 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:08.160 in the second round. 0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.600 So, Jen, I'll give you a couple fits for Jalen 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:15.879 Milroe for me. Yeah, one is the Saints if they 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.000 move up in the late first right, Kellen Moore just 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:19.520 did that with Jalen Hurts. The other one is the 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:23.280 Browns because when Jaln Milroe had that breakout your album 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:27.320 in twenty twenty three, who was his offensive coordinator? That 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:31.919 wasn't Bill O'Brien Nope, twenty three. Oh Tommy Reese, who's 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.080 now the OC in Cleveland. Yeah. I think Jaln Milroe 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:36.640 or Will Howard should be the QB three in this 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:40.560 draft because one has immense ceiling, one has a very 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.200 solid floor. Jackson Dart to me is splitting the difference. 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.399 I have no interest in splitting the difference. On day two. 0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:48.080 Give me an extreme, which extreme we could debate that 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:49.719 and that's probably Team New Team. I think it should 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.200 be Milroe. I really like Will Howard. 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.080 I do I have Will Howard on my list too, 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.319 as day two obviously as well. I don't know where 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.680 Milroe is gonna fall in exactly, but I watched his 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.600 doing like the QB school stuff. Again, he's great on 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:07.080 the whiteboard, A smart kid, you know, can conceptually understands 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.759 the game really well. I thought he throws a great 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.520 ball like it you know, it's he's a pocket passer's 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.560 big you know, six foot five, two hundred and thirty 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:18.200 pound pocket passer. Throws a really good ball again, understands 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:22.080 conceptually what the offense is trying to achieve, what he's reading, 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.560 what he's seeing out there from the defense. I mean, 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.319 he's probably not the most creative offscript guy or most 0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.520 mobile guy. He doesn't really. 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.640 Have that in him move around a little bit. 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:33.640 But I think that he's you know, like you said, 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.080 maybe I don't know if you know, high floor, but 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.680 like I just think that you run an offense with 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:40.680 him right like you cat, he can really come in 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.240 and step in and run an offense. Now, he's obviously 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:46.040 going to have the concerns if you will, you know, 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.360 similar to like Mac Jones at Alabama, Like was it 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.360 just you know, Jamari Smith and all all these different 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:52.960 people you know around him. 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.080 He was pretty good at at Kansas State. Yeah he 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:57.759 didn't have Ye, there's some guys on that team, but 0:37:57.800 --> 0:37:58.799 not the same level of talent. 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:03.160 Yeah, so I get that concern. Yeah, he's he's got 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:06.160 a great offensive line, he's got Chip Kelly calling plays, 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.480 he's got all worldwide receivers all over the place at 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.319 Ohio State. But I just like the skill set and 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.239 I think he's a guy that will make it work 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:17.080 in the NFL. Probably won't be a ceiling quarterback. He's 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:19.279 probably never gonna be like a top five quarterback in 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:21.440 the league, but I think he could be a starter. 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:22.200 I think so too. 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.520 Yeah, should we do like Patriots guys? Now, Well, I 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.640 was just I don't. I don't think the Patriots have 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:29.080 any interest in any of these quarterbacks. 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.320 I well, they're gonna add a quarterback because Josh McDaniels 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:35.279 usually wants foreign camp, so that's they're gonna get their 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.760 Trace McSorley veteran camp are right, I wouldn't be surprised 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:42.480 they draft another guy to have him around imagency emergency 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.320 third quarterback. Obviously, he's not gonna have the same physical 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.640 tools as a guy like Joe Milton, so there's less 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.400 concern there. There's two guys. I look at one and 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:52.560 I know you hate this, and I've kind of dumped 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:54.759 on this guy during the process. But for where the 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.319 situation is now, it makes sense, and that's Brady Cook. 0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:01.000 Brady Cook was terrible in twenty twenty four. He was 0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:01.560 not good. 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:03.799 Why Luther Burnden is not gonna go in the first round. 0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:07.120 Brady Cook in twenty twenty three was a baller. Brady 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.600 Cook was awesome in twenty twenty three ball stretch. He 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.000 was really he was better. He was he was one 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:13.799 of the best quarterbacks in the SEC. In twenty twenty four. 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:16.799 He was better. Teams are gonna look at it and say, 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:20.120 what happened in twenty twenty four. If Elliott Wolf wants 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:21.960 to repeat what he did with Joe Milton, Okay, we're 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.400 gonna find a guy with some tools, with some sneaky upside, 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:27.160 see if we can flip him. Brady Cook's got some mobility, 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:28.919 he's got a big arm. It's not in the same 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.040 stratosphere as Joe Milton, but nobody is right. Yeah, you 0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.000 want to try to bet on somebody that maybe can 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.000 have a couple of good preseason games, you can flip. 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.880 Brady Cook has flashed more than any of those guys 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.080 late on Day three or the udfas are gonna flash. 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:46.120 The other one is Max Brosmer from Minnesota, very experienced quarterback, 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.640 a local guy, played at UNH for a few years, 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:52.239 was dominant at UNH. Transferred to Minnesota last year and 0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:56.040 held his own. He looked like a solid. He wasn't unbelievable. 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.080 But again, if you're just looking for somebody to be 0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:01.160 that emergency third quarterback on game day that maybe you 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.239 can flip in a year or two, Brasmer is a 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.680 little interesting to me. All right, Well that's your quarterbacks. 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.040 You don't have anybody they're gonna go late in the draft. 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.399 You must have one. Come on, now, watched all these 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:11.160 wide receivers. 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.400 I have no appeal for any of them, his quarterback 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:16.160 coast thinks, And I have no appeal for any of them. 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:17.400 Churizma. 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.560 Now like maybe maybe, like you know, I could get 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.440 talked into like a Curtis Roke or Brady Cook, like 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.080 as like a seventh round you do. 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:27.520 That's what I'm saying, Like I'm not taking these guys, Curtis, 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:28.680 I think. 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.560 To me, kinder Minds reminded me a little bit of 0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:33.600 like Aidan O'Connell, Like he's just like gonna be like 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:34.400 an NFL backup. 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:36.600 Well he also he played all of last year on 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:37.600 a twenty cl Yeah. 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:41.080 So if you're looking for somebody that is totally non 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.560 threatening and is going to just fit into a back 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.000 of what I'm saying, then Curtis Rourke I think makes 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:46.480 the most sense. 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.920 Curtis Rourke. Brady Rabel's gonna like Curtis Rourke, excuse me, 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.759 because he has the intangibs. Let me give you one 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:53.360 more quarterbacks. 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.160 I think Brady Cook. It not that I don't want 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.040 to do the whole Juem Milton thing again, but I. 0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.680 Think Brady He's not on that level. 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.520 Brady Cook, though, has is more of like the tools upside. 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:04.960 Yeah, pick here. 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.200 Curtis Rourke to me, is if you want a draft 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.280 Chase Daniel, Like if you want to draft a career backup, 0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.319 who could back up? Who could back up Drake May 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.799 for the next five years? Like this is Curtis Rurke. 0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.399 That that's Curtis Rourke and Bros. Murder me Brady Cooks 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:20.560 a little more. If they want to see if they 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:21.560 can flip another quarterback. 0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:23.719 Yeah, one more quick quarterback take because I've seen people 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:26.960 bring up Garrett Green from West Virginia and Tommy Mellett 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:30.480 from Montana State and say, hey, you can bring these 0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:32.719 guys in. They can be the third quarterback and maybe 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.120 they can play receiver. Garrett Green's like five to eleven. 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.560 Tommy Mellett's a smaller guy who was an option quarterback 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.919 in Atanta State. Again, well, so here's what I'd say. 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:42.200 I don't think either of those guys are gonna be 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.640 Julian Needelman because Julian Edelman's wonted to mill. But if 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:47.200 you want to try it and they're both, I don't 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:48.880 think either one's gonna get drafted. If you want to 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.320 try it as UDFA, I'm not opposed to it, fine, 0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.200 but there if you're doing that for them to play 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.240 wide receiver, in them to learn how to play wide receiver, 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.560 you can't do Malie Cunningham again, where all right, we're 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:01.000 gonna play a little bit of quarterback are and to 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:02.440 play them a little bit of No, if you want 0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.160 to develop those guys a wide receiver, you develop them 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.360 as a wide receiver, they're not playing quarterback. They're not 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.279 gonna wear non contact jors e. They're not going to 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.080 be the emergency third quarterback on game day. If you're 0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:14.480 adding those guys, you're adding them as receivers. 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.759 Okay, that's enough quarterback. That's that's there's the last point 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:19.520 I want to get out. Let's get to running backs. 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:22.439 So we did day one, Day two, Day three. That's 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.280 how we kind of split this up with each position. 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:29.080 This is my guy and a take all in one. 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.440 Oh boy, okay, you're ready for this. Yeah, So my 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:34.960 Day one running back is Travon Henderson because I think 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:36.239 Travon Henderson might go in. 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:36.719 The first round. 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:40.000 Okay, because two reasons just for the Patriots are in general, 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:40.439 just in. 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:41.600 General, but I also love him. 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:43.719 For the Patriots, it's probably doesn't make sense for them 0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:45.719 to draft him just where he's gonna go. You know, 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:49.120 they at best are gonna get him at thirty eight, right, So, 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:51.479 like you know, I think it's gonna be long gone 0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.080 by the time you wrap back around into the third round. 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.080 But Travon Henderson, to me, for two reasons, I think 0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:01.440 that he might get drafted in the late fur round. One, 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:08.160 he's just a fluid, explosive, big play machine, right. You know, 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:11.760 he's got all of the the tools in the world 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:14.959 to be just breaking off big play after big play 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.320 in the run and in the past game, you know, screens, 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:19.799 routes out of the backfield, like he can do all 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.239 of that. This is, you know, coupled with the fact 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.920 that it's a it's a copycat league. Yea, the Lions 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.480 just did this with Jamiir Gibbs. And I look at 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.920 Traveon Henderson, I don't think he's quite as. 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:32.040 Fast as Jamiir Gibbs. 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:34.239 Like I think Jamior Gibbs had a little bit more 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:38.080 juice than Henderson, but Henderson's close. And I think that 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.840 the best cop for him is probably more like bris 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.560 Hall than it is Jamiir Gibbs. But I think that 0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.839 he's got some shades of Jamiir Gibbs in his game. 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.920 And if you're one of these teams copycat League, I 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:51.960 would not be surprised if somebody grabs Trevon Henderson thinking 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.640 that he's the next Jamier Gibbs. And also just quickly 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:56.239 Jamier Gibbs got overdrafted. 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.240 Yeah, you know, relatively consensus. 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.040 He got drafted a lot higher than people expected. So 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.960 I think that that could also be happening here with 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:06.000 trade first. 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:07.759 Round running backs from Evan I love it. Yeah, so 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.520 I did this more with Patriots in mind. First round guy, 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.200 Amari and Hampton, you want to make your young quarterback happy. 0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:15.879 We've talked a lot about trading up from thirty eight 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:18.960 for a tackle or a receiver whatever. If he falls, 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.480 you know, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, move up 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:24.719 get him in addition of you know, a tackle or 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:27.560 whoever at the top of the first round, and that 0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:31.160 that would be my first round guy. I don't think 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:32.680 Anderson's going to go that high, so I guess he's 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.360 my first round guy too. Genty just feels Genty's not 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:36.799 the kind of guy that can be my guy because 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:38.400 everybody knows how good Ashon Genty is. 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:41.319 I wouldn't be surprised and is going to blow you away. 0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.799 This is just like a like a bold prediction. Yeah right, 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:45.400 this isn't an actual take. It's just kind of a 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.239 bold prediction. I love amar and Hampton. I've loved him 0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.279 since I saw him, you know, last year, But he 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.279 is more of like a linear runner. He's a little 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:56.360 bit tighter hipped he doesn't quite have the game breaking 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.640 speed that Traveon Henderson does. Like, I just wouldn't be 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.520 shocked if Travon Henderson goes a lot earlier than people 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:06.879 are expecting, because somebody wants a speedback in particular, right, 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.080 not you know, a work course like Omrion Hampton's. The 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.600 appeal of Amario and Hampton is the volume that he's 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.000 going to be able to take on. If you're looking 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:16.839 for somebody that's going to be more of a game 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:20.239 changer in terms of play speed and big playability, then 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:24.600 that's more like like Travon Henderson all right, Day two 0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:28.480 running backs, I think you would know this for me. 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.680 I love Dylan Samson from Tennessee. I really think that 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:33.879 he's the best Day two running back in the range 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.839 for the Patriots, maybe with their first third round pick 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:38.960 if they get lucky and he makes it that far. 0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:41.920 I just think he's a really efficient runner, but he 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.960 also has plenty of creativity and plenty of speed to 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:48.040 break off big plays. There are some concern there with 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:50.719 the wonky offense at Tennessee and the light boxes and 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:52.919 all that kind of stuff, but he grated out really 0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.839 well against all different types of boxes. And I think 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.960 the one thing about Tennessee's offense is they underutilize past 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.319 catching running backs thrount of the running back a ton. 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.040 I think in the NFL, Dylan Sampson's gonna be an 0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:07.080 even better pass catcher than he was in college, just 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:09.920 because teams will use him in that vein. He's probably 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:14.080 at his best in like a David Montgomery Jamir Gibbs 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:16.520 style platoon right where he's got like a thunder and 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.439 lightning thing going on with somebody. And that's from Andre 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.200 Stevenson for the Patriots. So if they're gonna go round 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.759 three running back and they want to find a compliment 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:27.520 to Remandre, I feel like Dylan Samson's the best ball 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:28.520 of both worlds there. 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:30.560 So my guy on day two, I think people can 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.120 guess this is Quinn Shawn Judkins. I just think he's 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:36.279 I love the way he runs. He's old school man. 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.000 For the Patriots specifically, though it has to be Sampson. Yeah, 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.200 I think you put him with Dermandre Stevenson. That's that's 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.799 just such a dynamic backfield. You're getting a little bit 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:46.920 of everything with those two. I think he can probably 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:48.759 play that pass catching back role and then do a 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.880 little bit more on top of that. So for me, 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.560 it's it's Sampson at sixty nine. Makes all the sense 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:57.839 in the world. Yeah, So day three, I don't know, 0:46:58.239 --> 0:46:59.440 there's so many options. 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.640 There's gonna be a run of running backs at somewhere 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:05.200 in the late third, early fourth round. So that's the 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.239 cutoff for day two day three, So I don't know 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:08.799 how specific you want to get with that. 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:09.840 You know, if r J. 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.200 Harvey is there on day three though, like that's my guy. 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:13.160 I think RJ. 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:16.120 Harvey reminds me a ton of Dion Lewis, right, just 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:19.000 a low center of gravity, a great jump cut ability, 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:23.000 really elusive, thirty two runs of over fifteen yards last year. 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.160 Explosive guy. I think he's going to be able to 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.759 do that in the passing game as well. Smaller, like 0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:31.480 not a volume back necessarily, but I think he's someone 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.359 that really has a lot of explosiveness and can still 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.239 run between the tackles. If you want to go a 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.239 little bit later because you feel like Harvey might be 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:40.960 third round pick and not again into the fourth round. 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:45.960 Brishard Smith from SMU is really appealing coverage. Yeah, converted 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:49.719 wide receiver goes to SMU, turns into a running back 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:52.239 ran a four to three nine, but still has all of 0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:55.400 the wide receiver skill, ball skills, route running ability, can 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.360 right run routes from the slots. How about you know, 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.160 I see a little bit of Jared McKinnon, Well, Jet McKinnon. 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.120 Niam Hines like another one that I kind of thought 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:05.160 of a little bit of. 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:07.160 Him as well. I mean, like obviously not when he 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:09.640 was here, but like prime time time Montgomery. 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:10.719 Yeah, I can see that too. 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:11.920 I have another converted receiver. 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.560 I don't know if he's quite as as bouncy as 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.279 as Jet McKinnon. Like McKinnon is like a jitterbug. I 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:18.319 don't know if he quite has that. 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.640 He's more straight line. Yeah, So that's why I kind 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:23.120 of thought of Niame Hines. So I'm just gonna because 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.400 there's so many running backs, I'm just gonna use this 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.879 opportunity to ask why more people are not talking about 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:31.319 Kyle Manong. Guy. I feel like it's Isaiah Pacheco all 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:35.000 over again. Yeah, Like, come on, he runs mean, he 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:38.680 runs angry, He's faster than people think he can handle 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.520 himself in the passing game. I really like Kyle mno 0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.279 on guy, but my guy for the Patriots. You know, 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:48.160 I gotta go with laquin Dallen Syracuse or Wood he 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:50.920 marks like Luquindallen, Wood, he marks Purshard Smith. Give me 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.480 one of those three guys to play the James White role. 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:55.520 I will be very happy if they get one of 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:58.960 those three guys and he catches sixty balls in a season. Awesome, 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.000 Like that's what I want from that. And then they 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.200 had a bowling ball back later, great like a film 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:05.040 offa But just give me one of those pass catching guys. 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.520 It's interesting because you know we're doing our big boards. 0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:10.160 Douce and I do dueling big boards. And when I 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:12.239 started to do the running backs, I don't worry. I 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:13.680 put a lot of running backs on there. I know 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:15.839 they're gonna draft a running back. We all know it 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:19.040 because I put a lot of running backs on there. 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:22.439 And I just can't get mister Kraft out of my head. 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:25.600 Speedback right? Not not Damien Martinez. 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:28.399 Right, We're not going Davian Martinez would be fun. 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:30.440 We're not going power between the tackles here. 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:34.040 I even I won't. Why not both? You don't think 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:37.120 I think there's a real chance they draft two running backs, Yeah, 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:39.600 bigger Bowl high. 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:41.520 Like in the four to third fourth, like a Pierre 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:43.400 Strown Kevin Harris Reducks, but better. 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.080 Yeah, I do you get because the past catching backs 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:48.960 are all later unless they want Simpson Samson. Yeah, the 0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.200 pass catching backs all projected to go later. Yeah, I 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:54.240 mean get Damien Martinez are an allibordonate one oh six 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:59.080 or even maybe at seventy seven, or even Caleb Johnson 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:00.839 if he falls right at seven. He said, that's a fall, 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:02.640 but somebody's gonna Caleb. 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:03.839 Johnson is a little bit more of his own back 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:05.280 by here, and then. 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:07.319 You get that passing down back later. And now you 0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:09.960 have if McDaniels is going to go back to splitting them. 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:13.839 Stevenson Rookie one is your early down, Gibson Rookie two 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.600 is you're passing down and your set like that's I 0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:19.080 think that's if it were up to McDaniels. Not if 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:22.160 it were up to McDaniels, but like all other things aside, 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:24.799 if McDaniels could set the running back room up like that, 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:27.520 he'd be very happy. Now, there's other things you have 0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.120 to do that may prevent you from doing that, but 0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.080 I think that's what McDaniels would like to runningack room 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:31.879 to look like all. 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.080 Right, wide receiver, Day one, Day two, Day three again 0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.680 at wide receiver. I'm just gonna take this opportunity to 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:39.560 do once again to say Travis Hunter is a wide 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.320 receiver like that, that's. 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:41.919 My I think that's clear. 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:46.080 That's my Day one guy, Travis Hunter, wide receiver. I 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:49.640 think one of the big things that has irked me 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:53.319 the most this draft season is hearing that Travis Hunter 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.839 is a raw route runner, Like this is just drive 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:57.919 me up a wall. 0:50:57.960 --> 0:50:59.720 Show me a college receiver that isn't. 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:04.399 But it's different buckets, right, Like there's wide there's wide 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:07.680 receivers that win as technicians, yeah, and there's wide receivers 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.200 that win because they're built different, Like Travis Hunter is 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:11.520 in the built different category. 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:11.960 You know. 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:13.520 I think a lot of the things that you hear 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.200 about him and read about him as a wide receiver, 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:18.440 you know, they right remind me a lot of like 0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:21.960 Molik Neighbors, Odell Beckham Junior like guys like that when 0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:24.680 they were coming out that no, if you wanted to 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.200 put teach tape up of how to run a dig like, 0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:29.000 they might not be the ones that you would put 0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:31.279 up on the film, like maybe you'd go up and 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.760 get like a Ladd McConkey right to run a route 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:36.359 and show a sixth grader how to run an out 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:39.080 right Like that might not be your guy, but if 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:42.200 you want guys that have unreal place to be, great 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:46.160 ball skills, great ability to change directions in suddenness, a 0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.160 gear changes, I think is a really underrated skill for 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:52.200 wide receivers or guys that can tempo routes and have 0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:54.600 different gears that they can get to, because that can 0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:58.480 really make corners uncomfortable. Travis Hunter does all of those 0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:01.759 different things as a wide receiver, So I'm just excited 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:05.239 that that take is becoming more popular and becoming a 0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:07.319 lot more of a head of steam, especially after his 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:09.560 pro day when he only ran routes and didn't do 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:12.760 any cornerback drills. So one last time, in my guys, 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.960 Travis Hunter is a wide receiver at the next level. 0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:19.640 So Travis is like Genty, like Travis Hunter is Travis Hunter. 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:21.000 He's not like my guy because it would be like 0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:23.400 Travis Hunter. So I'll go to talk about somebody You're 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.359 gonna put the TEP tape on teach tape on, I'll 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:28.600 go Matthew Golden. I'm to keep pounting the table for him. 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:32.080 I understand the production is not there compared to your 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:35.120 typical first round wide receiver. This is not your typical draft, 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:37.920 and I just think he showed up big in the 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:39.759 biggest games and I value that. 0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:43.080 Yeah, he's a great route runner and he might be 0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:45.680 in in the doughnut as a deuce, and I have 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:48.160 been calling it like right in between picks right four 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.920 and thirty eight. But if you had to come up 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:56.080 with the wide receiver for Josh McDaniels, like, Matthew Golden 0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:58.120 is kind of that kind of guy because he's a 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:00.400 really good route runner and he's a smart round runner, 0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.480 is very technically sound, but he still has a ceiling 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:05.840 to him because of his speed and the ball skills. 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:07.640 So I like Matthew. 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:11.160 Everybody likes very competitive, like he's I think he's wired right. 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:13.840 So on day two, yeah, I think we're both going 0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:16.239 to say names that we both really liked. That we're 0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:18.319 both in contention for my guy. For me, at least, 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:19.360 I won't speak for you. 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:20.720 One x one slot. 0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.280 Uh No, I just had one Day two guy. Oh 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:26.640 maybe maybe you could say, but no, I just feel 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:28.360 like you're going to say a name and that I 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:33.240 I almost said, anyways, Jayalen Noel is my guys. Oh okay, 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:34.799 so maybe I'm surprised you. 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:36.480 Thought I was gonna sayway I did? All right, Well, 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:37.439 yeah those are the two. 0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:40.279 Yeah, so it was between those two. Yeah, you know, 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:42.960 similar but different. You know, Jaylen Nowell I think is 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:46.640 a pure zer, pure slot receiver. But I just I 0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:48.680 was blown away by his tape the first time through 0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:51.879 that I watched it. I was not expecting that kind 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:55.319 of athlete or that kind of separator at the third 0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.160 level of the defense. I thought that this was going 0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:00.160 to be Lad mcconkee, reducs right, like a just a 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:04.680 good crafty wide receiver. That's good route runner, that's heady, 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:07.560 that's smart, that's tough. He is a lot of those things. 0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:10.560 But this is a guy that has true vertical stretch, 0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:13.840 like he has three level speed. He's very very fast. 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:17.120 He's a great athlete. Tested through the roof, I think 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.279 that took a lot of people by surprise. The you know, 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.279 aris score that he put up and all that kind 0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:25.280 of stuff. He was fantastic throughout the whole process, great 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:29.560 Senior Bowl Week, great combine, great tape at o Iowa State, 0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:34.000 his final season. The only knock on Jalen Noel is 0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.040 that he's more of an inside guy, right, Like he's 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:38.120 probably not going to give you the outside reps full. 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:40.880 I still stick to Tyler Lockett as my com I 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:44.200 still feel like that's the speed slot com for him. 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:46.719 But I was close with Kyle Williams. I just wish 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:48.480 that I had gotten to him earlier and kind of 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:51.799 discovered him right to the hesitation that I had with 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:55.120 Kyle Williams. And this is probably unfair, and this probably 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.480 is just a was a me thing, not a himn thing. 0:54:57.880 --> 0:55:00.759 I just didn't come away from Senior Bowl Week with 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:03.719 him circles like I didn't notice him as much as 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.239 I wanted to notice him. You know, I noticed with 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:09.200 strepbo for the wrong reasons, no offense. I noticed the 0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:10.640 tow Iowa State guys for. 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:11.400 The right reasons. 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:13.640 I just felt like I never saw Kyle Williams. 0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:15.320 I'll tell you why, because he was like the last 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:17.480 guy up on every rep. Maybe that was why you 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:19.960 were like mentally checking. I'm telling you, I bet that's 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:21.600 what it was. I bet that's what. 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:23.359 I don't remember Kyle Williams being there. 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:25.600 I'll beat you wouldn't know if you watched it on 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:27.239 TV that kept cutting away from him. Again. 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:29.160 I literally don't remember him being there. 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:32.560 The honest knocks on Kyle Williams. For me, as big 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.200 of a fan as I am, his an older prospect. 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:37.960 He's a late breakout guy. He has kind of four 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:40.680 years old right, twenty three years old. He was decent 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:42.880 in twenty twenty three. Last year was the year that 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.520 he really took off, and his numbers are insane. But 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:47.160 this is a guy that can get open at all 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:50.160 three levels, can create after the catch. He's probably a 0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:52.480 little bit of a higher floor, lower ceiling player, but 0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:55.080 I still think he's a decent ceiling. But I'll take 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:56.719 the high floor for this team at this point. But 0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:59.600 with Noel like as much as I like Kyle Williams, 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:04.960 you give Josh McDaniels Jalen Nowell and you put him 0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:07.600 in that Julian Edelman role with the pop he has 0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:10.120 after the catch. I just think that this ceiling there 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:12.880 is tremendous. I really do. And I don't know if 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.279 this is a hot take at this point or not 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:16.840 specifically for the Patriots. I guess it could be different 0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:20.080 for different teams. I'll take Jalen Noel over Jaydon Higgins 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:22.400 if they're debating between the Iowa State guys, Like Noel's 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:24.239 higher on my list for them than Higgins is. 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:26.800 So I have all three of these guys, you know 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:29.400 that you mentioned Higgs and Higgins, like in one tier, 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:34.080 I haven't Noel Higgins Kyle Williams, but like I have 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:37.680 Noel over Higgins, and I'm surprised that that's not a 0:56:37.719 --> 0:56:40.839 more popular take. I just think Noel runs her out 0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:44.000 so a lot more urgency and a lot more dynamic movement, right, 0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:46.200 Like he's not an outside guy. Yeah, and maybe that's 0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:49.200 why people just like the size outside with Jayden Higgins. 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:51.680 But Jayden Higgins does not play to a four four seven. 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:54.000 I'm sorry, he just doesn't. He doesn't play that fast. 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:56.160 And so you know, I thought he was gonna be 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.279 a mid four fives guy. I thought if he ran 0:56:58.320 --> 0:56:59.680 a four or five to two, that was gonna be 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:01.839 a great time for him. He ran a four four 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:04.640 seven on a fast track. But I just I look 0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:07.399 at these two guys with Williams and Noel, their route 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:10.360 running ability, their separation, it's different. I think Noel is 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:12.720 a technician. I think Williams is a pure separation. 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:15.120 Williams is that like he and he's not Travis Hunter. 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:16.880 But like what you were talking about before, he just 0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:20.000 he it's not technical. He just gets open. Yeah, he 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:23.000 reads it, well, he moves well all of that. One 0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:25.000 more day too, receiver before you move on. Yeah, now 0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:27.080 that you've actually watched, because we've talked about the sky 0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:29.000 a few times, but I don't think you had gotten 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:32.400 him yet, at least not in depth. Saving on Williams. 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:33.280 Where are you at with Savian? 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:35.480 I love Save On Williams. I watched him in the 0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:39.240 in the first run. Interesting, I'm a big fan of 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:43.160 Saveon Williams. It's gonna take some creativity, it's gonna take 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:46.960 right the right fit in terms of the offensive coordinator 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.600 to get the most out of him. Like if the 0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:52.520 forty nine ers took uh Save On Williams and turned 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:54.800 him into Deebo Samuel like, he would be a problem. 0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:58.080 I mean, yeah, that's gotta be the comp absolute problem. 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:01.760 I think Cordell Patterson's a decent as well in terms 0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:06.360 of that, but he's got a little bit more ball skills, 0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:08.600 I would say, then Cordero Patterson did. 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:09.160 I didn't. 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:13.360 We were not into the draft yet with Patterson, but 0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:15.760 from well that was eighteen, right, Well that I mean 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:16.800 when he was with the Patriots. 0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:18.880 Yeah, but you're right, yeah, why do I remember doing 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:20.480 a draft show about Cordero Patterson? 0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:25.439 But Patterson I don't remember him having the contested catchability 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:28.520 and the stuff that save On Williams puts on tape. 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:31.600 But Cordero Patterson was probably a little bit faster in 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:35.680 a straight line than Savion Williams. But Williams got juice, 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:39.680 he's got size, he's got contested catchability. He's just not 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:41.840 a great route runner, and he's got a lot of 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.320 focus drops on tape. He's got way too many drops. 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:46.880 But he's a fun, fun player, you know, if you 0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:49.400 have him in the right role, And maybe Josh McDaniels 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:52.440 remembers Cordial Patterson in twenty eighteen and can kind of 0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:55.439 do the similar thing. I like Xavion Williams a lot. 0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:57.720 It's just this specific type of player. 0:58:57.920 --> 0:58:59.600 We might have to do early day three, late day 0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:00.320 three for vers. 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:05.760 Okay, so, uh my late my day three guy, which 0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.840 was kind of a joke and then kind of also serious. 0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:13.880 Is it? Uh Thornton? Dante Thornton. No, it was close. 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:16.560 He was on the short list. I'm coming around on 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:17.280 Nante Thornton. 0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:19.760 Okay, so let's do early day three and late so 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:23.960 we can get to that. Ted Johnson, I still believe. 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:28.160 I will not quit Tez Johnson, I will not quit. 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:29.560 I will not quit. 0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:32.520 He's gonna. I think Dante Jordan Thornton is gonna get 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:35.520 drafted later, uh than than Tess. I still think Ted 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:36.640 is like a fourth round pick. 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:37.400 Uh. 0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:40.720 He's quick, not fast. We've confirmed that. Yes, he's tiny, 0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:44.520 I get that. Uh, he's quick, not fast. I still 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:46.840 feel like he's Tank Dell, and I still feel like 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:50.280 he is going to overcome all these doubts about him 0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:53.520 and have a nice NFL career. What he's gonna happen 0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:56.400 is exactly what's happened with Tank Dell. He's gonna get drafted, 0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:58.800 he's gonna have it awesome, like first eight weeks of 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:01.680 his rookie season, and he's gonna tear every single ligament 1:00:01.720 --> 1:00:03.640 in his knee and that's gonna be it. 1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:04.720 For him the end of the year. And that's a 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:05.520 good pick. No. 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:07.720 I just think that he's a good football player and 1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:08.040 if he. 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:10.200 Can stay healthy, good college football player. 1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:12.720 If he can stay healthy, and I know it's amazing 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:15.280 major if, but if he can stay healthy, I think 1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:16.600 he's gonna be a good football player. 1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:19.360 My early day three guy, I could go to Dante 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:21.280 Thornton kind of coming around. I think he'll go early 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:23.440 day three. To me, he's like one seventy five and up. 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.160 Yeah, I have a good Dante Thornton Colm for you. 1:00:26.240 --> 1:00:29.080 Okay, So, but we haven't talked a lot about this guy. 1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:30.480 I thought we were gonna talk a lot about him 1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:33.280 throughout the draft, and we really haven't. I'm still believe 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:35.920 in Tory Horton. Yeah, he got hurt this year. That 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:38.480 hurt his stock. He probably should have transferred out of 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:40.800 Colorado State. I respect him for not doing it, but 1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:43.560 he probably should have. He's a true X. He plays 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:48.120 with some pop, he's hyper competitive. He's worth a flyer. 1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:51.040 To me, he's worth a flyer. You know it. It 1:00:51.080 --> 1:00:53.160 Maybe one oh six is a little high, but maybe 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:55.200 with one of those one forty picks, if he's still 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:56.760 on the board, he'd probably need a trade and get 1:00:56.760 --> 1:00:59.960 into like the one twenties one thirties. I like Tory. 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:02.280 I'm not totally out on Tory Horton. I don't think 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:03.800 he's gonna be a top one hundred pick like he 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:05.920 was projected to be, nor should he. But I'm not 1:01:05.960 --> 1:01:07.840 totally out on Tory Horton like some people are. 1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:09.880 I think, Okay, that's fair enough. Alright, let's get the 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:12.120 Dante Thorton who was on my list, Yeah, a short list. 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:14.200 I think it was between him and Tes Johnson, but 1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:18.160 I wanted to get the Tes Johnson, uh Shenanigans in there. 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:21.760 Dante Thorton is the Joe Milton of wide receivers. 1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:25.720 No, Savian Williams is the Joe No, I've made this comparison. 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:29.520 Williams an interesting player in the draft. 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:32.000 Save On Williams is way more refined as a receiver 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:32.640 than Joe Milton. 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:34.960 But he's the most interesting player in the draft. That's 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:39.080 Dante Thorpon beside Travis Hunter. Is Joe Milton of wide receivers. 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:39.640 Explain it. 1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:43.240 He has all of the tools, Like, if you wanted 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:45.880 to program a wide receiver in a lab, it would 1:01:45.880 --> 1:01:48.960 be Dante Thornton. But he's not actually very good at football. 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:51.240 All right, So this is that he's good at all 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:53.960 the individual things you need to be good at football. 1:01:54.080 --> 1:01:55.320 He's not good at football. 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:59.520 He's got legitimate breakaway speed, like not not like, oh, 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:02.120 he just runs a good forty breakaway speed. He has 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:07.120 a legitimate NFL you know, football speed play speed. He's 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:10.800 six foot four, two and five pounds. He's not Taekwon Thornton. 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.240 He's not one hundred and eighty pounds soaking wet. He's 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:13.920 got size. 1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:17.600 He's got speed laterally better than Thornton can. Can he 1:02:17.640 --> 1:02:20.320 get over them? No? All right, well that's a skill. 1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:23.400 But he My point is is that there's a ton 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:26.480 of raw talent with this player. He played at Tennessee, 1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:29.440 so that also fits a little bit true. He has 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:32.280 a Waukee offense just like Joe Milton did at Tennessee. 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:35.440 He runs like three routes. He runs a shallow, he 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:38.080 runs an in or it under or a slant, and 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:40.840 he runs a go like that's it. That's his entire route. 1:02:40.840 --> 1:02:44.600 Tree are slants and go balls in the in the occasion, 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:45.880 you know, a hitch route as well. 1:02:45.960 --> 1:02:47.920 Yeah, right, so those are his four routes. 1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:50.560 But he takes a slant, you know, he takes a 1:02:50.600 --> 1:02:53.320 five step slam, a glance route, skinny post and he 1:02:53.360 --> 1:02:56.040 takes that thing eighty yards to the house when you 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:58.280 hit him in stride with it. And there's only so 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:00.120 many people on planet Earth can do that, just like 1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:02.120 there's only so many people that can throw the ball 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:04.439 as far in as heard as Joe Milton. There's only 1:03:04.520 --> 1:03:07.080 so many people that run as fast as as Dante Thornton. 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:09.680 Look if he can, if the plan is to bring 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:11.760 him in and have him be like tamere Bird, Nelson 1:03:11.760 --> 1:03:14.160 Agilor just running go routes on the side to keep 1:03:14.200 --> 1:03:16.600 other teams honest, and you're getting him at like one 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:21.280 forty something in yeah, and we got it, not not 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.880 above me, get not above that. And I don't think 1:03:24.920 --> 1:03:27.760 that he solves any long term issues at Receiver, but 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:30.240 for this year where they don't have a true X 1:03:30.720 --> 1:03:32.439 and they don't have a lot of speed, you want 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:35.160 somebody to keep teams on again, Uh to mere Bird, 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:37.040 that's the comp and de mere Bird was just kind 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:39.440 of out there to keep teams. He's much bigger, but 1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:42.760 role wise wise, right, Nelson aguil Or that role and 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:45.040 he's doing it with more size and maybe run a 1:03:45.040 --> 1:03:47.120 couple of rounds to him, fine in. 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:50.080 Yeah, he that that. That's the take with Thornton though, 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:51.760 because I think a lot of people, first of all, 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:52.960 like I want to hang on. 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:57.360 If they draft a tall, fast guy named Thornton, you 1:03:57.400 --> 1:03:59.800 know what it takes. He's not saying they're right, but 1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:00.960 you know what's gonna happen. 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:04.360 He's Dante Smith from now on, because I don't want 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:06.600 to hear about the stupid thing about his last name. 1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:10.000 But I'm just picked a generic last name because all 1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:11.680 you people are making such a big deal out of 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:12.600 the fact that his last. 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:13.000 Name is Thornton. 1:04:13.720 --> 1:04:18.520 Again, Thornton's crazy. He's like twenty five pounds heavier than 1:04:18.560 --> 1:04:19.360 Taekwan Thornton. 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:23.040 Like, he's like, look, you're not wrong, they're different players, 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:24.720 but it's gonna be objectively funny. 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:29.440 He to me is like late round fire DK metcalf Right, 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:31.280 Like he's He's obviously not DK. 1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:33.440 Meckis just twitched up, big. 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:38.320 Fast, big explosives outside of Joe Milton comp I don't 1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:40.920 hate Oh no, it's he's it's still saving Williams. No, 1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:43.640 it's definitely not all right. Let's get the tight ends. 1:04:43.680 --> 1:04:46.720 Ago Wall late late day three Okay, I thought we're 1:04:46.720 --> 1:04:47.520 doing Dante Thorton. 1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:48.960 Oh no, that was like in the middle. No. I 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:51.200 have one more guy that's not getting talked about enough. Okay, 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:52.720 and I've talked about a lot on Patriots pet I 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:55.320 haven't talked a lot about him. Here, Isaac Taslot from Arkansas. 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:56.560 Yeah, he's getting some buddy. 1:04:56.680 --> 1:05:00.960 So another guy, big six four two twelve, great straight 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:05.120 line speed, excellent job tracking the ball. Sounds like an 1:05:05.280 --> 1:05:08.520 X right. Yeah, he almost exclusively plays the slot, so 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:10.560 you're gonna have to teach him to do some more 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:15.520 things underneath. But he's good down the field, he brings 1:05:15.560 --> 1:05:19.439 good speed, he's great on special teams. This is again 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:22.439 a late later pick, one of those one seventy picks. Right, 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:27.080 if you can develop his underneath game, you're talking about 1:05:27.080 --> 1:05:30.520 a guy who profiles profiles. Now the mental side of it. 1:05:30.600 --> 1:05:32.920 This other guy had in leaps and bounds, so that 1:05:32.960 --> 1:05:37.160 would have to catch up profiles like a faster Jakobe Myers. 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:39.439 There's gonna be some work for him to get there, 1:05:39.920 --> 1:05:42.080 but that's kind of what the path would be for 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:44.160 me for Isaac to sloth. And he's gonna be really 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:47.120 good on special teams. I got a com Okay, Andre 1:05:47.240 --> 1:05:50.360 Yoshivas with the Bengals. I think he's faster, but that's 1:05:50.360 --> 1:05:52.280 not a bad comp Yeah, that's what I saw. I 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:56.400 think he's maybe I'm underrating how fast Yoshavas. 1:05:55.920 --> 1:05:59.280 Is, but yeah, Yoshavas is like a big slot that 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:03.360 can stretch the field vertically up the seam. You know, 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:05.120 he's not going to run by people on the outside, 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:06.840 but he has enough juice to do it inside. 1:06:07.160 --> 1:06:07.320 Uh. 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:09.880 That was that was sort of what I saw. Uh 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:12.479 with Tesla, I think you're right though, he's he's picking 1:06:12.520 --> 1:06:13.240 up some steaks, and. 1:06:13.200 --> 1:06:14.840 You know what if you get that guy and he 1:06:14.920 --> 1:06:16.840 ends up in the one seventies and he ends up 1:06:16.880 --> 1:06:18.520 being your third wide receiver. Again, this isn't the guy 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:20.760 that's going to solve all their wide receiver problems. Yeah, 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:24.040 I'm just looking up. So Yoshavas he has sixt three 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:25.920 two O five. He ran a four to fourth He 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:28.760 ran a four to fourth three. Okay, reduce to slot. 1:06:28.800 --> 1:06:30.440 Literally ran a four to four three? Did you pull 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:33.400 that off? Off? Mock draftable? I mean, you know, did 1:06:33.400 --> 1:06:35.640 you I do? I did? Okay, I do my homework, Yeah, 1:06:35.680 --> 1:06:38.200 you did? I do my homework. Six three two five 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:41.120 versus six four two fourteen for uh tesla. 1:06:41.280 --> 1:06:44.840 Okay, yep, there's your comp All right, let's get to 1:06:44.880 --> 1:06:46.160 the phones and then we'll come back to the rest 1:06:46.160 --> 1:06:48.200 of the positions because we still got a little ways 1:06:48.200 --> 1:06:50.040 to go, and these people have been waiting online for 1:06:50.360 --> 1:06:52.960 on hold, I should say for a while. Patty is 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:53.880 an agu on what's up? 1:06:53.880 --> 1:06:54.200 Patty? 1:06:55.920 --> 1:06:57.000 What is gentlemen? 1:06:57.080 --> 1:06:58.320 So how we doing? 1:06:57.680 --> 1:07:05.360 I'm doing good? So I just want to I just 1:07:05.400 --> 1:07:08.240 want to make it clear, like I'm on record thinking 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:10.880 that Hunter and Carter are gonna be gone by the 1:07:10.920 --> 1:07:14.960 time we pick, and I'm all in on Will Campbell 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:16.400 if that's gonna be the pick at for if we 1:07:16.440 --> 1:07:20.439 can't move down. Actually, I don't like the I don't 1:07:20.480 --> 1:07:22.560 like the thought of moving down because I think we 1:07:22.640 --> 1:07:24.960 might miss out and I don't mind Jalen Walker, like 1:07:25.000 --> 1:07:27.560 if we do move down and miss Will Campbell. But 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:29.440 I just wanted to read you guys a couple just 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:32.000 a couple of things real quick. And this is from 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:36.960 why It Brooks sec Scout. The tape shows that technically 1:07:37.000 --> 1:07:39.280 or fine blocker who's ready to start from day one 1:07:39.400 --> 1:07:45.320 at tackle, not not guard tackle, and like at the 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:47.320 end of his breakdown, and I got this at NFL 1:07:47.400 --> 1:07:53.120 draft blows dot com. So the very the very last 1:07:53.120 --> 1:07:56.560 paragraph he rights after studying the film, moving Campbell inside 1:07:56.560 --> 1:07:59.960 would be a mistake. Despite this, shorter arms, the exceptional technique, 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:03.840 recovery ability, demand a shot at tackle. And I know 1:08:03.920 --> 1:08:07.040 that's just one man's opinion, and we're kind of getting 1:08:07.560 --> 1:08:09.680 you know, some people that are sitting on the fence. 1:08:09.760 --> 1:08:13.000 And then you got guys like Daniel Jeremiah who says, yeah, 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:17.240 plant tackle. The short arms don't like really pose a 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:21.040 threat or like a concern to me. And really before, Evan, 1:08:21.080 --> 1:08:23.120 you said this weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago, 1:08:23.120 --> 1:08:25.760 and you brought it up last week too, Like there's 1:08:25.840 --> 1:08:29.720 never been a discussion about wingspan until this year. You know, 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:34.719 this prospect why why, you know, why is the big picture? 1:08:35.120 --> 1:08:36.000 I'm not seeing it? 1:08:36.080 --> 1:08:39.000 You know, why why is all this craft coming out now? 1:08:39.720 --> 1:08:42.599 And you know, I think if we get him Noel, 1:08:42.720 --> 1:08:46.040 I've you know, I've said this on PU Evan, Noel's 1:08:46.080 --> 1:08:48.000 my guy. I want him in the second round. If 1:08:48.040 --> 1:08:51.439 we can get those two guys and possibly Mason Taylor 1:08:51.520 --> 1:08:54.280 on day on day two, I'll walk away from this 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:57.680 draft a happy man, that is, with the caveat of 1:08:57.760 --> 1:09:00.800 Hunter and Carter gone. And last night I want to 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:06.840 touch on Alex Yep little Quick none, your co host 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:10.439 on PEB. If he ever starts his own podcast, I 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:14.160 think he should call it Hindsight or Patriots hind Site. 1:09:14.600 --> 1:09:16.799 That's it, is that, Brian? 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:19.479 Yeah? Nice? Nice? Uh? 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:22.400 I think, uh, you know, the Carter thing with wingspan 1:09:23.439 --> 1:09:25.439 or Campbell so many names. 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:25.840 Uh. 1:09:25.880 --> 1:09:28.000 The Campbell thing with wingspan is brought up because it's 1:09:28.000 --> 1:09:30.760 such an outlier, right Like if it wasn't such a 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:34.839 major outlier, you know of mock draft, uh, mock draftible 1:09:34.880 --> 1:09:37.880 had another tackle that was in the same you know, 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:40.600 stratosphere as him in terms of our of wingspan, then 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:42.080 we wouldn't be talking about it as much. 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:43.080 But it is. 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:44.760 And I think that the number one thing that I 1:09:44.800 --> 1:09:47.800 keep coming back to with Will Campbell, I've been you know, 1:09:47.840 --> 1:09:50.599 pretty consistent other than the stupid combine, I've been pretty 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:54.200 consistent about about about him playing at tackle and sticking 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.080 at tackle. And I think the one thing that I 1:09:56.160 --> 1:09:58.640 would just say about it is that is he going 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:01.599 to be Jonathan Ogden? Is he going to be Orlando Pace? 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:02.479 No? 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:04.639 No, he's not going to be one of those types 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:07.880 of guys. But what, in my opinion, he's going to 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:12.280 be is a very solid NFL left tackle for the 1:10:12.320 --> 1:10:15.320 future for a long term. And in this draft, in 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:18.559 this level of talent class, that's a good. 1:10:18.520 --> 1:10:20.960 Pick, and that's a good pick at that. 1:10:20.840 --> 1:10:23.559 Position because he is, uh, you know, a comp that 1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:26.240 I came up with recently I liked a little bit better, 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:28.880 you know, like a Jake Matthews type. Jake Matthews is 1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:33.040 not a future Hall of Famer, he's not a ever 1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:35.960 been like a multi time All Pro or anything like that. 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:39.919 But he's been a quality starter for like a decade 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:44.000 in Atlanta and the Falcons have not thought twice about 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:46.800 left tackle since the day that they drafted him, And that, 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:49.360 to me is is all you're looking for in this 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:51.360 kind of draft, and I think that Will Campbell can 1:10:51.400 --> 1:10:51.680 be that. 1:10:51.720 --> 1:10:54.280 At that position where there's there's not enough think about 1:10:54.280 --> 1:10:56.680 it this way, there's not enough human beings on the 1:10:56.680 --> 1:11:01.080 planet needed to fully staff the NFL for left tackle. Yeah, 1:11:01.120 --> 1:11:03.800 they're just aren't. So if you get a guy that 1:11:03.960 --> 1:11:07.040 can do it for eight to ten years at least, 1:11:07.320 --> 1:11:09.840 who is of that level, maybe not above it, but 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:14.160 of that level, that's a win in this draft especially, 1:11:14.240 --> 1:11:17.160 that's a win. I told Nate Solder Matt Light like, 1:11:17.240 --> 1:11:20.200 just guys that you're not gonna talk about replacing them. 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:22.800 He's there, he's good. Set it and forget it. You 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:24.479 move on. You can build the rest of the team. 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:26.840 It's been seven years they've trying to been trying to 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:28.639 find a guy to play there. They have a guy, 1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:30.479 and they did before, but they have a guy now too. 1:11:30.560 --> 1:11:36.280 They really need to protect. Yeah, it's yeah, just get them, 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:38.800 Just just get them and we can stop work about this. 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:42.519 So I've been looking around for a comfort for Campbell 1:11:42.560 --> 1:11:42.960 for a while. 1:11:43.000 --> 1:11:44.320 It's Jake Matthews. 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:46.800 It is Jake Matthews. Is what I'm settled on. And 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:50.040 I'll pull up the number because Jake Matthews. It wasn't 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:53.519 quite Will Campbell short in terms of wingspan, but his 1:11:53.600 --> 1:11:58.280 wingspan was also under under eighty inches, right, So he 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:00.559 was on the shorter side in terms of wingspan, on 1:12:00.600 --> 1:12:02.680 the shorter side in terms of armlane. He's been in 1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:04.800 the league for eleven years, he's made one Pro Bowl. 1:12:04.880 --> 1:12:07.960 So this is not this is not Jonathan Ogden, right, like, 1:12:08.000 --> 1:12:10.160 this is not Joe Thomas. This is not an all 1:12:10.200 --> 1:12:13.599 time great player at the position. But again, for eleven years, 1:12:13.920 --> 1:12:17.479 the Atlanta Falcons have not thought about who's our left tackle. Right, 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:20.040 they know who their left tackle is. And if that's 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:22.400 what Will Campbell ends up being, then I'm perfectly fine 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:25.320 with that. I said earlier that you know, something that's 1:12:25.400 --> 1:12:27.880 irking me is with Travis Hunter and the rawness and 1:12:27.920 --> 1:12:31.320 the unpolished receiver label that he's getting. Something that is 1:12:31.320 --> 1:12:36.040 irking me right now about the Will Campbell discourse is well, 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:38.559 he's not Jonathan Ogden or Joe Thomas, and you don't 1:12:38.600 --> 1:12:40.760 you know that's what you want if you're drafting at four. 1:12:41.320 --> 1:12:43.400 Cool, if that guy was in the raft, I'll tell 1:12:43.439 --> 1:12:44.200 you to take him right. 1:12:44.240 --> 1:12:46.320 It was great to want things right. That's not the 1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:49.519 talent pool that we're working with. It's irrelevant that he's 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:52.280 not that kind of pross just as a hole across 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:53.479 the board like, well he's not. 1:12:53.880 --> 1:12:56.600 And you hear it with him, You hear it with 1:12:56.600 --> 1:12:59.200 with Keat McMillan, you hear it with Mason Graham. You 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:01.200 hear what the lot he said. If he's not really 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:04.120 what you want at the fourth overall pick, Yeah, if 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:06.640 Malik Neighbors was in this draft, I'd be pounding the 1:13:06.640 --> 1:13:08.280 table for them to take him it for right, I 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:12.559 would that guy doesn't exist. If you can trade down, great, 1:13:13.640 --> 1:13:16.800 but if you can't. Once again, you can't just tell 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:20.439 Roger Goodell Pencilson for next year, right, we're gonna we're 1:13:20.439 --> 1:13:22.400 gonna pass, We're gonna take up. But you can't. You 1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:24.639 got it. You can only pick from the players who 1:13:24.640 --> 1:13:28.080 are available. Right. That's and yeah, it sucks that that 1:13:28.120 --> 1:13:30.040 they're picking high in a crucial year and a year 1:13:30.080 --> 1:13:33.559 where the draft isn't great. That sucks. You can't. It's 1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:35.320 not mad and where you can go load in another 1:13:35.400 --> 1:13:37.240 draft file. This is what it is. 1:13:38.360 --> 1:13:41.320 I don't really understand that reference, but mad for it. 1:13:41.520 --> 1:13:43.960 Like, you can upload custom draft, but you can either 1:13:44.000 --> 1:13:46.360 have it generate one for you, or you can upload 1:13:46.360 --> 1:13:48.840 custom ones. So some people if they're doing a franchise 1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:51.880 and like the custom draft isn't good, you can have it. 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:53.720 You can either upload one somebody made or just have 1:13:53.760 --> 1:13:56.040 it create a new one. You obviously can't do that. 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:57.840 So you can just say you can. You can create 1:13:57.880 --> 1:13:59.559 a new one that has like all ninety. 1:13:59.400 --> 1:14:02.840 Nine if you want or won this year lady. But yeah, 1:14:02.880 --> 1:14:04.360 but then what's the fun in it? All? Right? 1:14:04.680 --> 1:14:09.320 Kendall is in North Carolina? What's up, Kendall? 1:14:09.479 --> 1:14:11.000 Hey, how you guys doing good? 1:14:11.760 --> 1:14:11.960 Hey? 1:14:12.560 --> 1:14:15.080 Yes, just but both of y' all want to know 1:14:15.560 --> 1:14:18.000 what's y'all good feeling right now? I'll have the first 1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:21.519 three picks to go. And my second question is we 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:24.439 visit with a wide receiver today from Auburn. I got 1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:26.559 his name or y'all familiar with it, and I'll take 1:14:26.560 --> 1:14:27.679 it up there. I appreciate it. 1:14:27.840 --> 1:14:30.559 Thanks for the call, Kendall. My gut feeling right now 1:14:30.600 --> 1:14:38.320 on one two three. Ward Carter Hunter same, that's my 1:14:38.400 --> 1:14:43.280 gut feeling. I don't totally buy into, you know, the 1:14:43.360 --> 1:14:45.080 thing we spent the first twenty minutes of the show 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:48.160 talking about with Abdual Carter falling in this draft. I 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:51.840 don't totally buy into that totally yet. If it's not 1:14:52.400 --> 1:14:56.000 Ward Carter Hunter LB, Ward Hunter Carter, I think those 1:14:56.040 --> 1:14:57.799 three guys are the first three picks in the draft. 1:14:58.120 --> 1:14:59.760 I do not think the Browns are the Giants. Are 1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:02.559 anny get duped by drafting quarterback, you know, with Shador 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:05.759 I think at this point everybody says people get silly 1:15:05.760 --> 1:15:09.200 with quarterbacks, you know, they use Pennix and bo Nick's 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:12.439 going higher than expected last year. I almost think at 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:15.519 this point that the Browns and the Giants need to 1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:18.679 look They feel like they might look sparterer by passing 1:15:18.720 --> 1:15:21.360 on Shadore than taking Shador because if they take Shadoor, 1:15:21.400 --> 1:15:23.840 everybody's gonna be It's gonna be Daniel Jones right like 1:15:23.880 --> 1:15:26.559 it's on draft night. Everybody's gonna be like, what are 1:15:26.840 --> 1:15:27.840 this is a bad pick? 1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:28.639 Like what are you doing? 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:28.920 Right? 1:15:28.960 --> 1:15:31.120 They might end up being right in three years, but 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:33.479 like Brian Dable and Joe Shane aren't gonna be there 1:15:33.479 --> 1:15:35.559 in three years to be right about it, like they're 1:15:35.600 --> 1:15:39.280 gonna be out. So I just wonder if maybe, you know, 1:15:39.439 --> 1:15:41.840 they end up just passing. There's a lot of buzz 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:44.479 right now on those two teams, specifically, you know, doing 1:15:44.479 --> 1:15:47.639 their homework on Jackson Dart, doing their homework on Jalen Milrow, 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:50.280 doing their homework on Will Howard. You know, those guys 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:52.960 are all been in thirty visits in all those places too, 1:15:53.320 --> 1:15:55.920 And I wonder if they're one or both of those 1:15:55.920 --> 1:15:59.200 teams is gonna say, let's just get the guy at 1:15:59.240 --> 1:16:00.800 the top of the second around. You know, let's try 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:03.800 Will Levis Right. It doesn't worked out, but it's a 1:16:04.320 --> 1:16:07.200 you're thrown a dart and let's just try something else, 1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:07.800 all right. 1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:10.760 Also, the guy they met with projected late day three 1:16:10.800 --> 1:16:12.639 picks fast guy from Auburn. 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:15.360 I mean there's a lot, there's a lot of that. 1:16:15.400 --> 1:16:16.519 Remember Anthony Schwartz. 1:16:16.840 --> 1:16:19.240 Oh you you were big on Anthony Schwartz. 1:16:18.920 --> 1:16:22.000 Sast guy from Auburn. Yeah, all right, Brad is in Ohio. 1:16:22.040 --> 1:16:22.920 It's up, Brad. 1:16:24.320 --> 1:16:27.960 Hey you doing guys? Hey talk. 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:31.280 A couple of quick days. I want to run by 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:34.360 the players, and he looked into them. 1:16:36.280 --> 1:16:37.280 I'll just spit some out. 1:16:38.240 --> 1:16:43.840 First of all, the cornerback cast and found three ms 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:47.519 birk and then a defensive tax was getting west from 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:52.200 Indiana and then running back my first pick. He's I've 1:16:52.240 --> 1:16:58.320 gotten slower running backs like John from Iowa just because 1:16:58.360 --> 1:17:02.160 I watched him play, and I would like hand junk 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:11.599 and from you from the state and tell me he's gonna. 1:17:11.360 --> 1:17:12.479 Be a. 1:17:14.160 --> 1:17:14.400 Brad. 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:18.400 I got sorry there, Brad, if you want to email us. 1:17:18.400 --> 1:17:22.040 In the names, I heard some of them. I think 1:17:22.080 --> 1:17:23.639 he was mentioned Denzel Burke from all. 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:26.120 So Denzel Burke's really interesting one. 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:29.280 Yeah, he's kind of one of those guys that kind 1:17:29.280 --> 1:17:31.360 of reminded me of like Sean Wade's career arc right 1:17:31.360 --> 1:17:34.479 where there was a lot of hype for him and 1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:36.720 then he didn't have the year that the people were 1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:39.439 expecting last year. The only thing that I you know, 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:41.120 I I did watch him, and the only thing that 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:43.000 I had a little bit of concerns about was was 1:17:43.080 --> 1:17:45.559 top end speed, Like, I don't know if he's Yeah, 1:17:45.560 --> 1:17:47.400 I don't know if he's quite the fastest guy on 1:17:47.439 --> 1:17:48.120 the outside. 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:49.439 I had a lot of penalties too. 1:17:49.479 --> 1:17:51.439 Yeah, and I think that might have been because of that, 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:53.799 you know, him grabbing and him getting a little bit antsy. 1:17:53.880 --> 1:17:58.120 But uh, he he's well versed in different coverages, certainly 1:17:58.160 --> 1:18:00.679 seen a lot of really good competition over the years. 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:03.879 He's kind of a solid guy. I just wouldn't necessarily 1:18:03.920 --> 1:18:06.960 say that he's got a highest ceiling. He's probably more 1:18:07.000 --> 1:18:07.400 of a floor. 1:18:07.560 --> 1:18:10.280 So I think it's the opposite. He's one of these 1:18:10.280 --> 1:18:12.799 guys like Bill would have drafted him. Bill absolutely, because 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:15.360 one of the things that Patriots would do on Day three, 1:18:15.720 --> 1:18:18.519 they drafted a couple guys like this. They would go 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:22.400 find and this Honestly, this kind of player is gonna 1:18:22.560 --> 1:18:24.600 sort of become extinct in the draft because of the 1:18:24.600 --> 1:18:27.679 transfer portal. They would go find the guys that were 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:30.880 high ranked recruits where it didn't work out in college 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:32.599 for one reason or another and see if they could 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:35.439 tap into that. Denzel Burke was a four star recruit 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:38.960 ninety one composite graded at twenty four to seven, and 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:41.080 he had a really good first couple of years and 1:18:41.120 --> 1:18:42.960 he was supposed to be like a first round pick, 1:18:43.280 --> 1:18:44.880 and then in the last year and a half it 1:18:44.960 --> 1:18:46.240 kind of fell off and he had a really bad 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:49.080 year last year. So he's a guy to me you 1:18:49.240 --> 1:18:52.720 take kind of banking on or looking to, all, right, well, 1:18:52.720 --> 1:18:55.559 what went wrong last year and is it something we 1:18:55.600 --> 1:18:58.160 can fix and can we get him back on track 1:18:58.400 --> 1:19:01.000 to where he was supposed to be. I don't know 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:03.519 how very Bolt necessarily feels about those players. Like I'm 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:06.200 not saying he's off the Patriots board, Yeah, I don't. 1:19:06.560 --> 1:19:08.200 It's more a thing where like if it was Bill, 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:10.240 I think it's he's somebody we would have talked about 1:19:10.240 --> 1:19:13.920 a lot more. But he's a really interesting one. Yeah, 1:19:14.000 --> 1:19:15.960 because he he was I think he was a projected 1:19:15.960 --> 1:19:16.960 first round pick a year ago. 1:19:17.040 --> 1:19:19.360 I feel like you just you just described Sean Waite 1:19:19.400 --> 1:19:21.800 like that, like like Sean Wade was really similar to me. 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:22.840 You know. 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:26.080 I also had who was the defensive lineman from Auburn 1:19:26.320 --> 1:19:30.240 who he went to Florida State and they just ruined him. 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:32.560 And then hear No from Maryland. He transferred around to 1:19:32.600 --> 1:19:35.320 Byron Coward. Byron Coward was the number one recruit in 1:19:35.360 --> 1:19:39.280 the country, and he forget the order was a Maryland 1:19:39.320 --> 1:19:41.000 he was at Florida State, he was at Auburn, but 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:44.000 like it just the schools he was at did not 1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:45.360 know how to use him. They turn him from a 1:19:45.360 --> 1:19:48.080 stand up edge rusher into a nose tackle and Bill 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:49.720 drafted him and it was just like, well, let's see 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:52.400 what's there. Yeah, So Denzel Burk's not as extreme of 1:19:52.439 --> 1:19:54.920 the case. I think Coward was the number one recruit 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:57.800 in the country, but it's it's a similar sort of thing. 1:19:57.800 --> 1:20:00.479 Do you remember when Bill dunked on me about Byron Cower? No, 1:20:00.680 --> 1:20:02.760 I still I still remember that to this day. I 1:20:02.760 --> 1:20:05.920 forget these are there's certain like little things that happened 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:08.840 to me when when I got you know, belichicked early 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:12.000 on in my my beat career, and that one like 1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:13.880 it kind of sticks with you, right, like you kind 1:20:13.880 --> 1:20:18.479 of remember these things. I misspoke and I said that 1:20:18.760 --> 1:20:20.600 Coward was like a run player when he was a 1:20:20.600 --> 1:20:22.120 pass player, or a pass player when he was a 1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:25.240 run player. It just like I obviously got my my 1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:26.920 wires crossed, and. 1:20:26.840 --> 1:20:31.120 Bill just roasted me. Bill was just like I think. 1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:33.519 I said, like, you know, you guys have talked about 1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:36.160 him being this and it was totally off. And Bill 1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:37.519 was like, I talked about that, Like. 1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:38.919 I remember that. 1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:42.360 I didn't say that. Yeah, oh god, was I embarrassed 1:20:43.560 --> 1:20:44.800 to work. I thought they might have had something. 1:20:44.960 --> 1:20:45.160 Yeah. 1:20:45.240 --> 1:20:48.000 I those types of things stick with you, all right 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:49.960 before we get back to the phone. So let let's 1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:52.280 try to finish up my guys, because we we we 1:20:52.360 --> 1:20:54.320 got bobbed down there a little bit with some of these. 1:20:54.840 --> 1:20:56.320 Coward is still in the league. Good for him. He's 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:56.719 on the Jets. 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:57.640 Yeah, I feel like he'll kick it. 1:20:57.680 --> 1:20:58.479 Still hanging around. 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:02.960 So we're at tight end, quarterback, running back, receiver, Day one, 1:21:03.000 --> 1:21:06.439 Day two, Day three, tight ends. Day one tight End. 1:21:06.680 --> 1:21:09.880 I put down Colson Lovelan. I just I love Colson 1:21:09.880 --> 1:21:13.400 Lovelyn's tape. I think that it's a risk, sample size risk. 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:16.280 You know, he got injured, he doesn't have a ton 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:19.559 of volume to stats. But you watch the tape man 1:21:19.600 --> 1:21:22.040 and he's the closest thing to Brock Bauers in this draft, 1:21:22.080 --> 1:21:25.320 like in terms of explosiveness and dynamic route running ability 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:28.000 and just a real uh he just plays at a 1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.799 different speed and other people really pops off the tape 1:21:30.800 --> 1:21:34.160 like that. You know, Tyler Warren's more well rounded. He is, 1:21:34.240 --> 1:21:36.720 you know, more productive in college, a little bit of 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:40.280 a cleaner prospect, a cleaner evaluation, which is why I 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:43.040 assume he'll go ahead of Loveland. The Patriots are not 1:21:43.160 --> 1:21:45.599 in a position to risk it on a guy like Loveland. 1:21:46.040 --> 1:21:48.040 So that's why I don't even think I'm gonna have 1:21:48.120 --> 1:21:50.720 him in my top fifty because of that. But I 1:21:50.760 --> 1:21:52.519 think that he's going to be a good NFL player. 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:55.120 I just don't know if you're you have that margin for. 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:56.560 So I'm gonna do kind of what you did with 1:21:56.600 --> 1:21:59.400 the running backs. Call it top forty, maybe not first round. Yeah, 1:21:59.439 --> 1:22:03.000 I'm seeing Mason Taylor projected in the sixties. What are 1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:06.360 we doing. I think he's gonna go much higher than 1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:07.960 people think. I don't know that he sneaks into the 1:22:08.000 --> 1:22:10.200 first round. Does he sneak into the top forty, I 1:22:10.240 --> 1:22:12.519 could see it. He's clearly the third best tight end 1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:15.639 in this draft. Copycat league. People are gonna want their 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:18.400 their brock Bowers and stylistically is a different player, but 1:22:19.080 --> 1:22:22.240 just that rookie upstart tight end. And we talked about this, 1:22:22.280 --> 1:22:24.000 I think last week. Part of what made brock Bauer 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:27.400 is so impressive was tight end is generally a longer 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:30.360 developing position. There's so few tight ends that are impact 1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:34.000 players as rookies. Mason Taylor's young, but he's so polished 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:36.720 for his age. It really stands out that I think 1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:38.559 he's a guy that can come in and contribute year one. 1:22:39.880 --> 1:22:42.599 If you're mocking Mason Taylor to the Patriots at sixty nine, 1:22:42.920 --> 1:22:46.120 I think you're kidding yourself. He's a top fifty pick 1:22:46.160 --> 1:22:48.760 to me at least, and I think he might even 1:22:48.760 --> 1:22:49.680 sneak up higher than that. 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:52.720 Young too, right like twenty right now, he'll be twenty 1:22:52.800 --> 1:22:53.760 one as a rookie. 1:22:53.640 --> 1:22:55.639 Early breakout ton of runway to go. 1:22:55.800 --> 1:23:00.000 Yeah, really high upside player, really fast and straight line 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:03.519 and you know, stretch the field vertically and horizontally. You know, 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:05.840 slide routes, you know, dumpops in the flat, he can 1:23:05.840 --> 1:23:08.080 turn those into big plays. I think he's got some 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:10.439 route running, you know, technique stuff that he's got to 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:12.040 work on to be able to win a little bit 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:14.519 more on angular routes. You know, I don't think he's 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:17.479 gonna you see a ton of like, you know, real angles, 1:23:17.520 --> 1:23:20.040 you know, slants, digs, you know that type of stuff 1:23:20.080 --> 1:23:22.519 with it on his tape. But once he gets to 1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:25.640 that point, maybe you know, he kind of excels at 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:28.240 that a little bit more. I just I look at 1:23:28.280 --> 1:23:30.120 him right now, I see a little bit of Tucker Craft, 1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:32.479 Like I see that you know, straight line speed and 1:23:32.520 --> 1:23:35.639 the gimmicky speed on the scheme touches and things like that. 1:23:36.160 --> 1:23:38.519 But I think that he has a ceiling that's much higher, 1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:41.360 like maybe even like a Sam Laporta like level ceiling 1:23:41.840 --> 1:23:44.040 once he gets into the league. I'm with you on 1:23:44.120 --> 1:23:48.040 Mason Taylor. My day two guy other than Taylor, who 1:23:48.080 --> 1:23:49.880 I think you know will be early day two. I 1:23:49.960 --> 1:23:53.040 really like Terrence Ferguson from Oregon. I just feel like 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:56.960 he didn't really get a chance to show off all 1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:59.120 the things that he can do down the field. He 1:23:59.240 --> 1:24:01.920 was kind of there their dump off security blanket, like, 1:24:02.200 --> 1:24:04.920 you know, kinda near the line of scrimmage kind of 1:24:04.960 --> 1:24:07.599 guy doesn't have a high average depth of target, you know, 1:24:07.920 --> 1:24:10.400 find some soft spots over the middle, you know that 1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:12.599 sort of thing. But I think there's some untapped potential 1:24:12.640 --> 1:24:15.800 there in terms of running seams and verticals, and he'll 1:24:15.840 --> 1:24:17.679 maybe do that a little bit more at the other level, 1:24:17.960 --> 1:24:20.080 at the next level the other guy, because I like 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:21.960 both of them kind of equally. Gunner Helm, Like, I 1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:24.920 think gunner Helm is being slept on. He should not, right, 1:24:24.920 --> 1:24:27.200 he ran that forty and like throw the forty out 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:30.640 like it doesn't exist, Like it is irrelevant that on 1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:33.880 a you know, a torn ankle, he ran a bad forty, 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:36.760 Like it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't. It's not 1:24:36.800 --> 1:24:39.560 going to impact his NFL stays. He reminds me of 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:41.840 Hunter Henry a lot, Like I think that, yeah, I 1:24:41.880 --> 1:24:45.240 have really similar players. I just think that he's gonna 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:47.519 be a quarterback's best friend. He's gonna find the soft 1:24:47.520 --> 1:24:49.479 spots over the middle of the field. He's gonna be 1:24:49.600 --> 1:24:52.120 quarterback friendly. He's gonna have great hands, he's gonna have 1:24:52.160 --> 1:24:55.000 great reliability, he's gonna be able to block. You know, 1:24:55.040 --> 1:24:56.759 I don't think he's going to be a great blocker, 1:24:56.800 --> 1:24:59.719 but he'll be a solid, you know, adequate NFL blocker 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:02.600 in line. If I had to pick anybody out of 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:04.040 this class on day two, I think it would be 1:25:04.080 --> 1:25:04.559 Gunner Helm. 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:06.600 Yeah. Those are my two guys kind of in that 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:09.400 range and not as high on Fannin for the Patriots. 1:25:09.479 --> 1:25:13.120 Arroyo is like fine, doesn't again not necessarily a Patriots 1:25:13.120 --> 1:25:16.479 fit for me. Yeah, Day three though, there's some interesting ones. 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:17.679 All right, give me your day three. 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:20.280 Okay, So my guy for day three is Mitchell Evans. Yeah. 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:23.120 I think he's gonna come in be the best blocking 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:25.439 tight end right away, and he has the upside to 1:25:25.479 --> 1:25:27.360 be a plus receiver, but you have a year or 1:25:27.400 --> 1:25:30.200 two to kind of get him there. Behind certainly behind 1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:32.240 Austin Hooper is the second tight end, and then you 1:25:32.240 --> 1:25:34.320 hope eventually he takes over for Hunter Henry as your 1:25:34.320 --> 1:25:37.360 starting tight end. So I've kind of been on Mitchell 1:25:37.400 --> 1:25:39.439 Evans for a while. I think he's a good fit 1:25:39.479 --> 1:25:42.880 for them. I also, because we're doing tight ends slash fullbacks, 1:25:43.280 --> 1:25:45.280 I got to bring up robbi Oots here. I really 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:48.479 want him to bring in Robbie Oots kind of hybrid 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:52.040 between I've settled on my com for him. He's halfway 1:25:52.120 --> 1:25:54.160 between Kyle used Check and Patrick McCard. 1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:56.040 You can never just give a comp like just give 1:25:56.040 --> 1:25:59.200 a straight comp. But he's not. 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:03.479 He's not as athletic as you used chat and he's 1:26:03.520 --> 1:26:04.439 not as big as a card. 1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:07.160 He's like somewhere in the middle. So who's that wrong? No, 1:26:07.240 --> 1:26:08.720 but there's a guy on the Chargers. 1:26:09.040 --> 1:26:12.280 Oh, well, Matt Locke. He also doesn't play defense. 1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:13.200 He's like three hundred pounds. 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:14.920 He might be able to say. I think he's bigger too. 1:26:15.000 --> 1:26:17.320 There's another guy though. I look up the Chargers in 1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:19.800 the second there's it. They have Matt Locke, but they 1:26:19.800 --> 1:26:22.880 have another guy too, who's like the same kind of guy, 1:26:23.200 --> 1:26:25.360 because like the Hardbuzz have to have like seventeen of 1:26:25.360 --> 1:26:28.280 the same kind of Yeah, I feel I feel like 1:26:28.720 --> 1:26:30.160 maybe that's your Robbie utz Khan. 1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:32.840 But I want I want Robbiots on the Patriots. Okay, 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:35.200 so help me with his last name? No idea who 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:37.720 McCallan Castles? No? Uh? 1:26:38.200 --> 1:26:39.000 Is it CJ. 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:43.560 Dipp I think it's Drippy. I think Drippy from Alabama? 1:26:44.000 --> 1:26:47.240 Uh, just looking late Day three, you know, six seventh 1:26:47.320 --> 1:26:50.240 round guy. But if you want a blocking tight end, 1:26:50.400 --> 1:26:52.040 like just a guy that's gonna be able to come 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:54.639 in and be a third tight end and block really 1:26:54.640 --> 1:26:57.800 well in line. Uh CJ Depri was the most impressive guy. 1:26:57.840 --> 1:26:59.599 I saw him more than Jackson Hawes. 1:26:59.720 --> 1:26:59.920 Yeah. 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:02.519 I really like to pre Hawse. I think has a 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:05.240 little bit more of a receiving upside, and it's probably 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:07.800 gonna go a little earlier, it would be my guest. 1:27:07.880 --> 1:27:10.000 But if you're really looking for, like this is a 1:27:10.520 --> 1:27:12.639 we know what he's gonna be. He's just gonna come 1:27:12.640 --> 1:27:14.960 in and block on red zone and goal line and 1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:18.840 short yarded situations, being a third tight end in the 1:27:18.920 --> 1:27:20.879 league for a long time because he's a great blocker. 1:27:20.920 --> 1:27:23.120 I think Dupre's here's a comp for you. 1:27:23.160 --> 1:27:26.519 It's simple compa Lee Smith. Sure you remember Lee Smith? 1:27:26.600 --> 1:27:26.760 Yeah? 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:29.360 Yeah, Lea Smith. He was the the only tight end 1:27:29.400 --> 1:27:32.560 the Patriots drafted between Rob Gronky. They drafted Gronk and Hernandez. 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:34.960 The next year they drafted Lee Smith, and they didn't 1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:36.760 drafted tight end for like ten years until they double 1:27:36.800 --> 1:27:40.080 dipped in whatever year that was. Did you get a 1:27:40.120 --> 1:27:41.160 chance to watch Roonda Gadson. 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:42.559 No, I got to do all the rest of the 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:45.240 tight ends. That's that's my I'm still curious thought. 1:27:45.240 --> 1:27:47.160 That's one of my last bails to go into the bar, 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:49.000 is it. See? I just go in order. I go 1:27:49.080 --> 1:27:52.439 in like I call it alphabetical order. It's not alphabetical order, 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:54.799 but like the order that positions have always been listed 1:27:54.840 --> 1:27:56.479 in since at the beginning of time. 1:27:56.760 --> 1:28:00.679 I try to go in order of the draft board. 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:01.320 Yeah. 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:04.000 So because of all the content that we do surrounding 1:28:04.040 --> 1:28:06.400 the draft, like knowing the top one hundred is really 1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:07.280 what I got I need. 1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:09.200 To be able to ace, yeah, in. 1:28:09.200 --> 1:28:12.400 Terms of the draft. So I literally go through our 1:28:12.520 --> 1:28:16.080 the mock draft database. I put the consensus board up 1:28:16.120 --> 1:28:19.200 at each position, and anybody that's in the top one hundred, 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:21.080 I just watch all ten of those go okay, and 1:28:21.080 --> 1:28:22.559 then I watched the next ten, and the next ten 1:28:22.560 --> 1:28:23.439 and the next I just do. 1:28:23.680 --> 1:28:25.280 I guess it's because like I kind of figure out 1:28:25.280 --> 1:28:27.600 the top one hundred guys just watching college football in 1:28:27.600 --> 1:28:30.400 the fall. So yeah, I'll go just position by position. 1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:35.080 All right, Uh, did you do tackle in into your up? 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:35.400 All right? 1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:38.360 So I did tackleing into your offensive line? So day 1:28:38.400 --> 1:28:43.280 one tackle is Will Campbell. Like I it's I've been 1:28:43.320 --> 1:28:45.960 on Will Campbell since the beginning. I know that I 1:28:46.280 --> 1:28:48.160 got a little flaky there for a second, but I've 1:28:48.160 --> 1:28:50.680 been on Will Campbell since the beginning. I'm not going 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:53.120 to come off it now. If the Patriots draft Will 1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:55.960 Campbell in two weeks, I will not be upset. I'll 1:28:55.960 --> 1:28:58.639 be happy. I'll feel good about it. I will think 1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:01.720 they gotta left tackle, so Will Campbell. You know, I 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:03.680 don't have to go too deep into it. We've been 1:29:03.720 --> 1:29:06.200 over Will Campbell a thousand times. But if I have 1:29:06.280 --> 1:29:08.040 to pick a my guy on day one at tackled 1:29:08.240 --> 1:29:09.920 I can't. I gotta go with Will Campbell. 1:29:10.240 --> 1:29:11.960 Yeah, I wish I had his middle name to hammer 1:29:12.000 --> 1:29:13.720 the point home. I don't. I was just looking. I 1:29:13.800 --> 1:29:19.000 can't find it. William Campbell sounds like a general all right. 1:29:19.280 --> 1:29:24.200 Day two, Day two. So I still don't think Ariante 1:29:24.200 --> 1:29:27.519 Airstory's gonna fallah. I don't so when I say this, 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:31.000 not including Ariante Airstory in his group. It's Ozzy Trapilla. 1:29:31.360 --> 1:29:34.880 We have the same because he's he's swing tackle potential. 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:37.160 Long term, he could be your starting right. I don't 1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:38.840 think he's gonna start on the left side in the NFL, 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:40.120 But if you need him to pitch in there for 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:41.760 a game or two, I think he can. But I 1:29:41.800 --> 1:29:45.120 think ideally he's your swing tackle this year, and then 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:48.280 next year it's him Kane Wallace battling it out for 1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:50.439 the right or whenever Morgan Moses moves on year, two 1:29:50.479 --> 1:29:53.120 years whatever. So obviously not I'm excited for Morgano's but 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:55.400 he's obviously not a young guy. Yeah, one of those 1:29:55.400 --> 1:29:57.320 two guys becomes your starting right time big oz. 1:29:57.479 --> 1:29:59.719 I think Ozzy Trapla is going to be a starting 1:29:59.800 --> 1:30:02.360 right tw tackle in the NFL, not before long. I 1:30:02.360 --> 1:30:05.320 think he's better than Cayden Wallace in terms of a prospect. 1:30:05.360 --> 1:30:07.840 You know, Cadan Wallas barely played last year. So like 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:10.320 right now, if I had to take a bet on 1:30:10.439 --> 1:30:12.519 who would be a starting right tackle in the NFL, 1:30:12.600 --> 1:30:15.920 Caiden Wallace or Ozzie Trapillo, I'm taking Azzy but all day, 1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:19.679 and I just think he's really technically savvy, really good 1:30:19.720 --> 1:30:22.760 hand fighter. He's got great size at the position, great 1:30:22.840 --> 1:30:25.840 length at the position. I just feel like he's a 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:29.320 very good prospect all around. Like I really feel very 1:30:29.360 --> 1:30:31.719 strongly about Trapillo being a good NFL player. 1:30:32.040 --> 1:30:33.200 He's probably right tackle. 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:35.400 I would agree with that he maybe can play swing 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:38.360 tackle early on in his career as the backup, your 1:30:38.479 --> 1:30:41.160 third tackle, swing tackle, whatever you want to call it. 1:30:41.720 --> 1:30:44.080 Maybe you let that happen for a year. You know, 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:47.160 he develops underneath Morgan Moses for a year, year and 1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:49.320 a half, or whatever the case may be. As long 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:52.160 as Moses can can go, you know, you let him go. 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:55.240 I think there's gonna be opportunities. Although Moses has been 1:30:55.360 --> 1:30:59.400 really really durable, durable, it's not been perfect. You know, 1:30:59.439 --> 1:31:01.040 he's missed some games, you know. 1:31:01.040 --> 1:31:03.120 Not the last couple of years. Yeah, it's never. 1:31:03.040 --> 1:31:05.400 It's never been major, like he's missing an entire season 1:31:05.439 --> 1:31:06.040 or half a season. 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:07.519 You might need a game or two, might need a 1:31:07.520 --> 1:31:08.080 game or two. 1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:10.640 I think Trapillo could get some chances to play as 1:31:10.640 --> 1:31:13.720 a rookie that way, and I would take him on 1:31:13.880 --> 1:31:15.680 Day two of the draft them or probably in the 1:31:15.720 --> 1:31:18.679 double dip. You know, it would be ideal. My question 1:31:18.840 --> 1:31:20.879 is is like how long can you wait on Trapillo? 1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:23.000 Like I think thirty eight is a little bit high, 1:31:23.000 --> 1:31:25.120 but I think sixty nine is really you're starting to 1:31:25.120 --> 1:31:26.519 talk about you gotta take them. 1:31:26.520 --> 1:31:28.080 I think it's sixty ninety be a good pick. I've 1:31:28.080 --> 1:31:31.920 said this like, I strongly believe that any players they 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:34.479 take in the top one hundred, they need those guys 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:36.120 to play this year, and they need those guys to 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:39.160 contribute this year. The one exception I have to that 1:31:39.280 --> 1:31:42.040 rule for me, it's not there role. It's my rule. 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:43.920 I guess rule isn't the right word. The one exception 1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:46.000 I have to that take for me is if they 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:49.519 draft a right tackle to be in the pipeline to 1:31:49.560 --> 1:31:53.160 replace Morgan Moses. And I came up with that take 1:31:53.200 --> 1:31:55.880 basically around Ozy Tripillo. YEA, maybe they end up doing 1:31:55.920 --> 1:31:58.760 it with somebody else, maybe it's Anthony Belton, maybe it's 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:01.840 Cameron Williams. But like that's why I have that that 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:04.720 it's like a carve out for Ozzie Trapillo. That is 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:06.760 the one guy I think I'd be comfortable with him 1:32:06.760 --> 1:32:09.360 taking the top one hundred who's not playing a significant 1:32:09.400 --> 1:32:10.360 role in twenty twenty five. 1:32:10.600 --> 1:32:11.799 Agreed day three. 1:32:12.560 --> 1:32:14.320 So I think everybody expects me to say haul in 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:17.960 Pierce because that's my kind of guy. He's huge, he's massive, 1:32:18.640 --> 1:32:20.720 he's not necessarily great at football, but he hasn't he 1:32:20.760 --> 1:32:23.320 can't teach size. I'm actually gonna go away from that. 1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:25.120 I wouldn't hate Hall and Pierce, don't get me wrong. 1:32:25.439 --> 1:32:27.960 I just think Carson Vincent's getting slept on. Yeah. Now, 1:32:28.000 --> 1:32:30.280 he probably isn't a right tackle, and for a guy 1:32:30.320 --> 1:32:34.200 going that low, he's projected later day three, you kind 1:32:34.200 --> 1:32:36.880 of want some positional versatility, So he's an outlier there. 1:32:37.040 --> 1:32:38.639 I think he might be able to play some guard, 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:43.160 which helps. But I think he's got he has the 1:32:43.240 --> 1:32:45.720 size and the sense that he's tall and long. I 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:47.599 think he's only like three hundred and ten pounds, but 1:32:47.640 --> 1:32:49.680 he is. He can add to his frame like he 1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:52.280 can get up to three twenty I think relatively easily, 1:32:52.320 --> 1:32:54.679 and it won't impact him that much. Five year starter 1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:57.519 at Alabama A and M played well at the Senior Bowl, 1:32:58.120 --> 1:33:00.640 held his own against that higher level of competition, and 1:33:00.680 --> 1:33:02.680 he's just I think he's got the mentality down. It 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:05.400 looks like a smart football player. Definitely plays with a 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:08.639 lot of nastiness. He's older, he's coming from a smaller school. 1:33:08.800 --> 1:33:11.120 He doesn't have that positional versatility. I think that's why 1:33:11.120 --> 1:33:12.880 he's gonna go where he's going to go. But in 1:33:12.920 --> 1:33:16.000 a double dip because they might want a backup left 1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:19.160 tackle too if they're not sold on uh Vederian Lowe's 1:33:19.200 --> 1:33:22.080 the backup definitely. I think can be a backup left 1:33:22.120 --> 1:33:25.320 tackle in the NFL, and then you see just kind 1:33:25.320 --> 1:33:27.400 of what happens with him down the road. But a 1:33:27.439 --> 1:33:29.800 good backup left tackle is not nothing. And if you 1:33:29.800 --> 1:33:31.760 can get that guy, I certainly think you can get 1:33:31.800 --> 1:33:33.400 him at the one seventies. You might even be able 1:33:33.400 --> 1:33:35.280 to get him with that two twenty pick, depending on 1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:38.759 how it goes. You get a backup left tackle there, great, awesome, 1:33:38.880 --> 1:33:40.360 solid pick. Yeah. 1:33:40.400 --> 1:33:41.839 I really liked him at the Seapral. 1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:42.400 Everybody did. 1:33:42.400 --> 1:33:44.439 I mean he had that one spotlight drill in the 1:33:44.439 --> 1:33:46.679 middle of the field. Who did he go up against? 1:33:47.080 --> 1:33:50.360 It was a top one hundred rusher? Was Umin me 1:33:50.400 --> 1:33:52.200 Ellen or was it one of the text I think 1:33:52.200 --> 1:33:53.719 it's one of text Amain Stewart. 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:54.599 It was an SEC guy. 1:33:54.640 --> 1:33:57.280 Yeah if shut him down, Yeah, yeah, you won the REP. 1:33:57.439 --> 1:33:59.240 So I do like him a little bit. I really 1:33:59.240 --> 1:34:03.000 like Jealen Rivers from Miami to another Senior Bowl guy 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:05.840 that I thought stood ute. He could play, probably play 1:34:05.880 --> 1:34:08.080 inside as well, you know, played a little bit of 1:34:08.120 --> 1:34:11.040 both at Miami. It's weird the like com almost went 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:12.760 like drive to drive with it at times where he 1:34:12.760 --> 1:34:14.680 played left tackle and left guard, and he would just 1:34:14.720 --> 1:34:17.280 kind of flip flop in and out, which was interesting. 1:34:17.840 --> 1:34:20.240 Uh So I think that long term, you know, he 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:23.000 could play guard and be your starting left guard. I 1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:25.439 think you could also have him play you know, swing tackle, 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:27.920 backup left tackle, that sort of thing as well. I 1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:31.920 just like his game. You know, big, big dude, good size, 1:34:32.439 --> 1:34:34.599 really good length. He has like thirty five inch arms 1:34:34.640 --> 1:34:37.400 and then a short tackle class at the Combine. He 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:39.519 was like the one guy that measured in with long arm. 1:34:39.680 --> 1:34:41.439 He mentioned with thirty five of the combine. They're probably 1:34:41.479 --> 1:34:42.360 closer like thirty eight. 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:45.920 Yeah, he's got freaking tree trunks. And I just think 1:34:45.960 --> 1:34:49.800 he's a big dude, moves people, great length, a little 1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:52.519 bit of positional versatility. I just think those are the 1:34:52.520 --> 1:34:56.000 types of guys that the league needs. You know, every 1:34:56.080 --> 1:34:59.080 team needs that kind of guy that has the functional 1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:02.320 strength the as your bulls in versatility. Like, yeah, he 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:04.640 might not be you know, he's not going to go 1:35:04.680 --> 1:35:06.880 to you know, any all pro teams or Pro Bowls, 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:09.759 but those types of linemen can be really valuable. 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:12.880 What are your thoughts on Holland Pierce. I just need 1:35:12.880 --> 1:35:13.519 that real quick. 1:35:13.960 --> 1:35:16.679 He's a raw ball clay. He's a big raw ball clay. 1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:19.400 I feel the same way, almost similar with him as 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:21.559 I do with Anthony Belton. Like I think Anthony Belton 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:24.280 is kind of three. Yeah, Anthony Belton, I feel like 1:35:24.439 --> 1:35:28.760 is getting a really hyped up in the in like 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:31.120 the media boards and stuff like that for a guy 1:35:31.200 --> 1:35:33.360 that's got a long way to go and past. 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:35.040 My ceiling cam for him is Trent Brown. 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:38.360 That's he's got a lot of He's he's raw. He's raw. 1:35:38.439 --> 1:35:41.120 Anthony Belton. I'm surprised by how much Anthony you know, 1:35:41.160 --> 1:35:42.040 Belton buzz there is. 1:35:42.160 --> 1:35:44.040 Yeah, that's usually the guy that I like that nobody 1:35:44.040 --> 1:35:46.200 else likes. And I'm wondering why he's not ranked higher. 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:48.920 Now I'm like almost suspicious that everybody likes him, Like, yeah, 1:35:49.240 --> 1:35:50.280 this is supposed to be my guy. 1:35:50.479 --> 1:35:52.479 All right, So we have a you have any guards 1:35:52.600 --> 1:35:53.400 or slash centers? 1:35:53.479 --> 1:35:55.280 Yeah, I have some interior guys, all right. 1:35:55.479 --> 1:35:57.960 Day one grays Abel. I think Gray's Abel is going 1:35:58.040 --> 1:36:01.040 to be Joe Toney to point. Oh, I think he's 1:36:01.040 --> 1:36:04.479 going to be a really good football player. He's gonna 1:36:04.479 --> 1:36:06.639 play guard. I think he's gonna play left guard. 1:36:07.160 --> 1:36:09.519 I think Bruger Adam is a center and the Beast today. 1:36:09.640 --> 1:36:12.400 Okay, so there's some center flex there. Yeah, and he 1:36:12.479 --> 1:36:14.680 did some center stuff at the comm at the Senior Bowl. 1:36:14.720 --> 1:36:17.200 Excuse me, but I think that guard's a little bit 1:36:17.240 --> 1:36:18.880 more valuable. I think he can play left guard at 1:36:18.920 --> 1:36:20.760 a really high level. He's going to pass protect at 1:36:20.760 --> 1:36:24.280 a really high level at that spot, be extremely athletic 1:36:24.280 --> 1:36:28.120 at that spot as well. But either interior spot, left 1:36:28.120 --> 1:36:32.320 guard or center, I could see grays Abel excelling at 1:36:32.720 --> 1:36:34.280 and I think there's a lot of value in that. 1:36:34.560 --> 1:36:36.040 Do you have any day one, guys. 1:36:36.200 --> 1:36:39.760 Yeah, I'm gonna again approaching this from a Patriots point 1:36:39.760 --> 1:36:42.080 of view. Yeah, and we I think we talked a 1:36:42.120 --> 1:36:44.599 little bit about this last week. You know, we've talked 1:36:44.600 --> 1:36:47.840 about tackle, trade up, receiver, receiver, trade up tackle, what 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:50.360 about just hammering the offensive line? And some of this 1:36:50.439 --> 1:36:52.000 take too is I think grays Abel might go too 1:36:52.080 --> 1:36:53.800 high for them to do this. Yeah, and I know 1:36:53.840 --> 1:36:56.679 he's a right guard. I would love to see them 1:36:56.920 --> 1:37:01.680 Will Campbell trade up Tyler Booker. Yeah, that whole offensive 1:37:01.680 --> 1:37:07.040 line Campbell Booker, I guess, question Mark, but we you 1:37:07.080 --> 1:37:09.960 know you think you're at Bradberry, mike O and Lenu 1:37:10.280 --> 1:37:14.720 Morgan moses that that is a mean offensive line. You 1:37:14.800 --> 1:37:17.439 are gonna hate your life as a defensive linemen playing 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:20.320 against those guys for sixty minutes. And yeah, it leads 1:37:20.360 --> 1:37:21.960 them short change in some other spots. But I think 1:37:22.000 --> 1:37:26.519 Booker team captain at Alabama, tone setter. You know, played 1:37:26.600 --> 1:37:28.080 a couple he'll be a guard in the NFL, but 1:37:28.080 --> 1:37:29.439 he played some left guard for them, even played a 1:37:29.439 --> 1:37:32.479 little tackle for them. But just again, a guy that 1:37:32.600 --> 1:37:35.200 sets the tone for the Alabama offensive line and didn't 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:37.479 understand that not just his past year. You bring that 1:37:37.520 --> 1:37:40.479 guy in, you put him next to Will Campbell. Holy Molly, 1:37:40.680 --> 1:37:41.920 you're gonna have a lot of fun on the left 1:37:41.960 --> 1:37:44.120 side of the offensive line. I don't know that it's 1:37:44.160 --> 1:37:46.000 like my ultimate favorite thing that they would do, but 1:37:46.000 --> 1:37:48.280 I would like sneaky love that. Oh I'd love it too. 1:37:48.560 --> 1:37:51.720 I've come around, not I never needed to. 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:53.280 If they did it was able, i'd be cool with 1:37:53.320 --> 1:37:55.000 it too. But I really like Tyler Booker. 1:37:55.240 --> 1:37:57.040 I didn't need to be sold on Tyler Booker, but 1:37:57.080 --> 1:37:58.519 I just didn't think he was gonna be there, but 1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:01.559 after the Combine and the fact the intestary. 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:03.320 With DoD Combine. But I don't care like with. 1:38:03.840 --> 1:38:07.240 He's an interior offensive line right. But at the same time, 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.800 you know, you know how teams are, and now Gray 1:38:09.880 --> 1:38:11.600 Zabel might go ahead of him because he had a 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:15.639 better pre draft process than Tyler Booker. Teams might overthink 1:38:15.720 --> 1:38:18.760 Tyler book Yeah, and I don't think it's totally out 1:38:18.800 --> 1:38:23.759 of the question that a quote unquote unathletic guard falls 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:24.120 to thirty. 1:38:24.240 --> 1:38:25.960 I even think of thirty eight. See, so I look 1:38:26.000 --> 1:38:29.200 at it. The Seahawks are at what eighteen, right, Yeah, 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:31.519 and then the Texans are at twenty five. Those are 1:38:31.600 --> 1:38:35.040 two clear guard teams. Yeah, so I could see them 1:38:35.040 --> 1:38:36.599 both going in the first round. But yeah, if Tyler 1:38:36.600 --> 1:38:38.000 Booker is there a thirty eight, you don't have to 1:38:38.040 --> 1:38:39.160 trade up for him, all the better. 1:38:39.600 --> 1:38:43.679 So Seattle not Seattle tends to be uh in love 1:38:43.720 --> 1:38:47.160 with with the with the numbers, with the measurables. Casario 1:38:47.200 --> 1:38:49.160 and Houston makes a lot of sense, like Booker. 1:38:49.280 --> 1:38:51.600 Yeah, it'sable at eighteen, I think is what I have 1:38:51.680 --> 1:38:53.639 in my last Monksable at eighteen Booker in twenty five. 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:56.799 They won't overthink Booker, like they won't overthink the combine 1:38:56.840 --> 1:38:59.479 and all that kind of stuff. You put Tyler Booker 1:38:59.800 --> 1:39:03.960 and Josh McDaniel's gap scheme like a downhill run Scham, Yeah, 1:39:04.000 --> 1:39:04.599 that's where happens. 1:39:04.640 --> 1:39:05.080 One. 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:06.680 I think that's the other thing with Booker. You know, 1:39:06.720 --> 1:39:09.840 there's so many uh you know, Kyle Shanahan inspired on 1:39:09.920 --> 1:39:13.880 outside zone teams. He's not an outside zone's offensive. He's 1:39:13.920 --> 1:39:17.080 a he's a gap downhill. Get him on a double team, 1:39:17.240 --> 1:39:19.400 have him pull, you know, like that's what he does. 1:39:19.400 --> 1:39:22.400 Imagine the Tyler Brook Booker White one on ones in camp. 1:39:23.160 --> 1:39:26.479 I just I think it's great too. Just the fit 1:39:26.760 --> 1:39:31.200 because Bradberry is a smaller center. Yeah, he's undersized, and 1:39:31.240 --> 1:39:33.200 he's you know, his play strength is a big concern. 1:39:33.320 --> 1:39:36.280 Or even if you're gonna try Cold Strange, there also applies. 1:39:36.080 --> 1:39:38.760 Right, So if you put Booker in on when WU 1:39:39.840 --> 1:39:43.800 on either side of Garrett Bradberry or Cold Strange, like 1:39:43.880 --> 1:39:46.880 you give them some some girth next to them, that 1:39:47.000 --> 1:39:49.679 might help the center, you know, be able to handle 1:39:49.720 --> 1:39:52.240 power a little bit better and be able to hold 1:39:52.240 --> 1:39:54.080 the middle of the pocket a little bit better. If 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:57.200 he's got to just boulders on either side of him, 1:39:57.560 --> 1:39:59.760 that would make the most sense. It's what kind of 1:39:59.760 --> 1:40:02.040 why I've I've been a little bit back in on 1:40:02.120 --> 1:40:04.720 city so lately lately, just because I feel like he's 1:40:04.720 --> 1:40:07.080 a big guard too, you know, kind of can do 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:09.639 the same sort of thing. But with Tyler Booker, yeah, 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:13.760 you know, if he's there, if he falls for all 1:40:13.800 --> 1:40:18.000 these combine, you know, athletic profile concerns, I could definitely 1:40:18.040 --> 1:40:21.439 see that. Day two I had Wyatt Milam. I think 1:40:21.479 --> 1:40:24.000 Wyatt Milems is getting slept on because he's probably gonna 1:40:24.479 --> 1:40:28.360 move inside at the next level. But I think he's 1:40:28.400 --> 1:40:31.240 gonna be a very very good guard in the NFL. 1:40:31.280 --> 1:40:32.800 I don't see a real path for him. 1:40:32.840 --> 1:40:34.599 You don't think city center. I think he's be center. 1:40:34.800 --> 1:40:37.519 He's a little tall to be a center, but it's possible. 1:40:37.520 --> 1:40:39.080 Team seem to be less bothered by that now and 1:40:39.120 --> 1:40:39.479 they used to. 1:40:39.840 --> 1:40:42.600 I just love moving these guys to guard, like I 1:40:42.600 --> 1:40:45.240 feel like guard is a There's still a ton of 1:40:45.320 --> 1:40:47.920 value in pass blocking at guard because you have all 1:40:47.960 --> 1:40:50.439 these interior defensive linemen that rushed the pass or at 1:40:50.439 --> 1:40:53.200 a high level, like if you go up against you know, 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:56.320 Quentin Williams twice a year and Ed Oliver twice a year. 1:40:56.439 --> 1:40:58.519 And you know, I'll go on down the line of 1:40:58.560 --> 1:41:00.559 all the guys in the AFC that you're gonna maybe 1:41:00.560 --> 1:41:04.000 put potentially see if you're the Patriots, like you have 1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:06.400 to have guys on the interior that can pass block. 1:41:06.479 --> 1:41:07.000 You just do. 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:09.320 And I think whyatt Milam is gonna be a really 1:41:09.320 --> 1:41:11.880 good one. Like he's a power oriented player. His game 1:41:11.920 --> 1:41:14.400 definitely fits a lot better in a phone booth. But 1:41:14.439 --> 1:41:16.639 he's gonna play really well at guard in the league. 1:41:16.760 --> 1:41:18.800 And he's gonna have a little bit of tackle feet 1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:24.160 and tackle, you know, just experience blocking people that I 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:26.240 think is going to help him a lot in pass protection. 1:41:26.640 --> 1:41:29.360 I don't have any doubts that guys like Zabel and 1:41:29.439 --> 1:41:32.400 Mylam are going to follow in the footsteps of you know, 1:41:32.520 --> 1:41:35.120 Tooney and Sheriff and Martin and all those guys that 1:41:35.200 --> 1:41:38.360 transitioned inside from being college left tackles. I think all 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:40.280 those guys are gonna check those boxes if you want 1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:42.440 to throw, you know, Donovan Jackson. 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:43.920 So that was gonna be my guy again. If they're 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:46.000 gonna do the tackle guard boom boom, at the top. 1:41:46.040 --> 1:41:49.040 Donovan Jackson, I like, yeah, my day two centers obviously, 1:41:49.120 --> 1:41:52.200 Jared Wilson, I've been very high on him. Limited sample size, 1:41:52.240 --> 1:41:56.839 but smart player, athletic player, little similar to David Andrews 1:41:56.880 --> 1:41:58.960 now David Andrews obviously didn't get drafted, but maybe the 1:41:59.000 --> 1:42:01.439 league learned something the last times. A little bit bigger, 1:42:01.479 --> 1:42:03.200 but it's a little bit bigger, but he's still undersized 1:42:03.520 --> 1:42:05.400 size there quotes the center and the other guy gotta 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:07.960 mention her. On Day two Marcus Mabou, who got hosed 1:42:07.960 --> 1:42:10.559 by the combine, going from thirty three and an eighth 1:42:10.560 --> 1:42:12.519 in charms all the way down to thirty two. He 1:42:12.640 --> 1:42:15.479 is a tackle, but he'll probably move. He's played both perdue. 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:19.000 He can probably right tackle guard, flex right tackle guard. Yeah, yeah, 1:42:19.040 --> 1:42:21.759 he uh. He wouldn't be a bad pick for the Patriots. 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:25.080 He's got some of the most bizarre hand fighting I've 1:42:25.120 --> 1:42:28.200 ever seen. Like he's like literally like the karate kid, 1:42:28.600 --> 1:42:30.920 but it works like he gets it done. But like 1:42:30.960 --> 1:42:33.600 he is, he's like wax on wax off. Like you know, 1:42:33.640 --> 1:42:36.360 most times you want those stiff hands, like inside hands. 1:42:36.560 --> 1:42:39.360 This guy's like doing all sorts of like mister Miagi 1:42:39.400 --> 1:42:41.479 stuff and it somehow gets the job done. 1:42:41.479 --> 1:42:42.880 It's it's fun to watch, like. 1:42:42.840 --> 1:42:44.920 It's it's a little different, like when you're going through 1:42:44.920 --> 1:42:46.920 all these tackles. Then you get to him and you're like, oh, 1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:47.599 this is cool. 1:42:47.640 --> 1:42:49.479 This is a little fun. Thirty three and Charms. Don't 1:42:49.520 --> 1:42:50.320 forget it all right? 1:42:50.520 --> 1:42:54.200 Uh day three, Big deal and fairchild guy from Georgia. 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:56.880 A pure left guard right He played left guard at 1:42:56.920 --> 1:42:59.240 Georgia and he's gonna play left guard in the NFL. 1:43:00.000 --> 1:43:03.639 You were high upside high school wrestler, like all world 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:05.840 high school wrestler, and you can see that. You know, 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:07.960 he knows how to grapple, he knows how to leverage, 1:43:08.000 --> 1:43:09.960 he knows how to win with body positioning, can get 1:43:10.040 --> 1:43:13.720 underneath guys. Very versatile blocker, just in terms of all 1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:15.600 the different things you can ask him to do. He 1:43:15.600 --> 1:43:17.920 can zone block, he can gap block, he can double team, 1:43:17.960 --> 1:43:20.280 he can pull, he can get up to the second level. 1:43:20.840 --> 1:43:24.080 He's really versatile in that way. Even though he's not 1:43:24.160 --> 1:43:28.439 positional flex necessarily, he's versatile within the scheme, which I 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:32.479 think is really important. High level mover, high level pass protector. 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:36.960 He's gonna he he just screams, Josh McDaniel's guard to me, like, 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:39.000 I just feel like that when they look at left 1:43:39.000 --> 1:43:42.840 guard specifically, like Touney's obviously like the pinnacle of what 1:43:42.840 --> 1:43:45.040 they want in the left guard. But I think that 1:43:45.439 --> 1:43:47.920 fair Child's kind of in that same mold and I 1:43:48.000 --> 1:43:49.720 like him a lot. And then obviously, you know you 1:43:49.760 --> 1:43:52.519 got to mention Drew Kendall. You know you gotta talk. 1:43:52.600 --> 1:43:55.040 Well, there's a lot of good Day three centers Drew Kendall. 1:43:55.240 --> 1:43:57.920 Jake Majors is a very Josh McDaniels sort of center, 1:43:58.040 --> 1:44:02.679 very cerebral player. Eth McLoughlin would be really interesting coming 1:44:02.720 --> 1:44:05.880 off that injury. The guy all mention those center guard 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:09.800 is Clay Webb from Jacksonville State. So he was a 1:44:09.840 --> 1:44:12.799 five star recruit. I believe he's like a high rank recruit. 1:44:13.040 --> 1:44:15.280 Went to Georgia for a couple of years, wasn't playing 1:44:15.560 --> 1:44:17.200 it as a center. He was a recruited highly as 1:44:17.200 --> 1:44:20.960 a center, transferred to Jacksonville State, moved to guard, played 1:44:21.000 --> 1:44:22.840 it well, went to the Senior Bowl, played it well. 1:44:23.000 --> 1:44:24.400 A lot of people think he's going to move back 1:44:24.439 --> 1:44:26.840 to center in the NFL. I'm certainly not ruling that out. 1:44:26.960 --> 1:44:29.000 I just wouldn't sleep on him as a guard either. 1:44:29.360 --> 1:44:32.240 Little undersize, but kind of fits more for that McDaniels thing. 1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:35.320 And he's projected to go late, so that could be 1:44:35.439 --> 1:44:37.120 kind of like we talked about Denzil Burke, another one 1:44:37.160 --> 1:44:39.840 of these guys that all right now, I think he 1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:42.000 played at a higher level than Burke. He's just at 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:44.560 a less valuable position. That's why he's lower. But it's like, 1:44:44.600 --> 1:44:48.000 all right, he was highly tauted out of high school. 1:44:48.360 --> 1:44:50.559 Why didn't work out in college? And is it something 1:44:50.600 --> 1:44:52.599 we can work around and get him back to being 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:54.880 the player he was projected to be? Fair enough? All right? 1:44:54.920 --> 1:44:57.760 So that's my guys. There's a lot of them in there, 1:44:57.800 --> 1:45:00.280 but I think you know, those are the guys, uh, 1:45:00.320 --> 1:45:02.599 you know, on offense, and next week we'll do defense. 1:45:02.840 --> 1:45:05.400 Let's wrap up the show, get back to the phones, 1:45:05.439 --> 1:45:07.439 and then we have a ton of emails. I'll try 1:45:07.479 --> 1:45:09.920 to go through those as fast as we can as well. 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:13.000 But Aldrid, our good friend is in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? 1:45:15.320 --> 1:45:16.760 Hey, how y'all doing? 1:45:16.880 --> 1:45:17.040 Hey? 1:45:17.640 --> 1:45:21.479 Hey, I'm about the receivers. I'm glad y'all talked about 1:45:21.479 --> 1:45:24.680 my guy do a Doordan, yep, and ever and you're right, 1:45:24.720 --> 1:45:27.559 you got those three routes, but he beats man Fress 1:45:28.439 --> 1:45:30.599 only we can do the stay field over the top. 1:45:31.000 --> 1:45:34.920 But my question is we ain't never developed receive it 1:45:34.960 --> 1:45:37.720 no matter what coaching cre we have. Do you think 1:45:37.760 --> 1:45:39.120 they can develop one this year? 1:45:41.680 --> 1:45:43.559 I mean, I believe it's kind of one of those 1:45:43.600 --> 1:45:45.839 things where like I got to see it, right, Yeah, 1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:49.519 I gotta see it. You know, Todd Downing's background is 1:45:49.520 --> 1:45:51.679 and quarterbacks, and he kind of talked about this last 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:53.360 week that like he'll have them ready and knowing the 1:45:53.360 --> 1:45:55.320 playbook and all of that, But when it comes to 1:45:55.320 --> 1:45:58.679 the footwork and the technique, that's where where we're gonna 1:45:58.680 --> 1:46:00.000 see what they can do with some of these guys. 1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:02.040 That's right. I think you hope maybe Stephan Diggs helps 1:46:02.080 --> 1:46:04.120 out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. 1:46:04.160 --> 1:46:08.240 And the other thing is they're hosting that that that 1:46:08.479 --> 1:46:11.679 cornerback I talked about last time. He supposed to be coming 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:14.880 to New England like I think today or tomorrow. I 1:46:15.080 --> 1:46:17.000 got his name, but he's six to two run at 1:46:17.000 --> 1:46:20.519 four to three forty and I think he objected to 1:46:20.520 --> 1:46:22.680 go in the third or the fourth round. And I 1:46:22.680 --> 1:46:27.320 think he's meeting with us today, Ali from I got 1:46:27.400 --> 1:46:29.280 I think it's I think his last name is Thornton too. 1:46:29.800 --> 1:46:33.160 But he's but that girl Ali from Chatsport. 1:46:33.800 --> 1:46:36.240 She was mentioned missioned yesterday that people have been meeting 1:46:36.240 --> 1:46:37.759 today with the Patriot. 1:46:38.120 --> 1:46:39.400 He got a thirty visits. 1:46:39.680 --> 1:46:43.719 But he's go later in the round though. But there 1:46:43.760 --> 1:46:45.720 you go, Corey Thorton, Okay. 1:46:45.520 --> 1:46:45.720 You go. 1:46:46.160 --> 1:46:47.600 I couldn't think of this guy. I couldn't think of 1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:48.040 his name. 1:46:48.600 --> 1:46:53.120 But uh uh, his background coach, he's the one that 1:46:53.200 --> 1:46:57.719 did Chambers Ward and with Chikov and he got good. 1:46:57.560 --> 1:47:01.439 Corners and a good corner coach. But him and I 1:47:01.439 --> 1:47:03.880 hope we don't sleep on but he's out. 1:47:04.760 --> 1:47:07.679 And how did you? Thank you? 1:47:07.680 --> 1:47:10.719 Thanks Elder, thanks for the call as always. And yeah, Eldred, 1:47:10.800 --> 1:47:13.799 uh you know Alex was was first to Kyle Williams. 1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:16.799 Elder was first to Dante Thorton. He's been on Dante 1:47:16.840 --> 1:47:19.880 Thornton for a while, so props Eldred. You nailed that one. 1:47:20.280 --> 1:47:22.000 Well we'll see if he's a good football player in 1:47:22.000 --> 1:47:24.120 the NFL. But you nailed the draft stock going up? 1:47:24.680 --> 1:47:26.360 Who's did you do? You know? Anythink? I don't know, 1:47:26.400 --> 1:47:27.320 it's not about Corey Thorton. 1:47:27.439 --> 1:47:30.719 Yeah, all right, Uh, Alex is in DC. What's up Alex? 1:47:32.880 --> 1:47:34.639 Hey guys, thanks for taking the call. 1:47:35.280 --> 1:47:37.000 No problem. 1:47:37.360 --> 1:47:37.599 Uh. 1:47:37.640 --> 1:47:41.879 So, yesterday Batards set on his podcast citing a scouting 1:47:41.920 --> 1:47:44.880 report by Bob McGinn of The Athletic that of Duel 1:47:44.920 --> 1:47:47.840 Carter has some character concerns that he's a bit of 1:47:47.880 --> 1:47:51.360 an a whole high maintenance, isn't a hard worker. Have 1:47:51.439 --> 1:47:53.439 you heard anything about this? Do you have any concerns 1:47:53.479 --> 1:47:55.439 around Carter? And do you give any weight to what 1:47:55.520 --> 1:47:57.719 mcginnon says since he's the same guy that said barmore 1:47:57.760 --> 1:47:59.000 head character concern. 1:47:59.479 --> 1:48:00.519 Thanks for the call, Alex. 1:48:00.600 --> 1:48:02.479 Yeah, we actually talked about this exact thing at the 1:48:02.520 --> 1:48:04.240 top of the show, So I don't want to go 1:48:04.320 --> 1:48:05.760 too long on it, but you can go back and 1:48:06.120 --> 1:48:08.960 listen to some of that. You know, we we talked 1:48:08.960 --> 1:48:11.400 to in depth about it. You know, I don't have 1:48:11.479 --> 1:48:11.960 much more. 1:48:11.840 --> 1:48:13.439 To add to that, so now I just say go 1:48:13.439 --> 1:48:14.320 back to the top of the show. 1:48:14.400 --> 1:48:17.360 Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's get into some of these emails. 1:48:17.560 --> 1:48:19.960 We have a ton of them. I am a little 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:22.080 disappointed in the listeners though, and I'll get to that. 1:48:22.160 --> 1:48:25.000 And here in a second, stopping me to the listener. No, no, 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:26.439 I'm not being mean to them. I'm just a little 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:29.960 disappointed that there's no emails about our are I'll get 1:48:30.000 --> 1:48:32.400 to it in a second, but just a couple of questions. 1:48:32.400 --> 1:48:34.360 It's sort of about the tackles. And I think one 1:48:34.360 --> 1:48:36.439 of the things that's going around right now is just 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:39.599 like how confident are we that you know, a Connerly 1:48:39.760 --> 1:48:42.519 or an nursery or even a Simmons is going to 1:48:42.600 --> 1:48:45.360 be there for them at thirty eight? And you know, 1:48:46.800 --> 1:48:48.360 is there a risk there? And I think the answer 1:48:48.400 --> 1:48:52.000 is there's always a risk that just like last year, 1:48:52.160 --> 1:48:55.760 they're not able to orchestrate a trade out, they missed 1:48:55.800 --> 1:48:56.800 the run, and they missed the run. 1:48:56.960 --> 1:48:59.160 Yeah, it's and I think we're going to see a 1:48:59.160 --> 1:49:01.200 similar run this year because there's still that shortage of 1:49:01.200 --> 1:49:04.160 tackles and that shortage alignment. No I'm not caught. Maybe 1:49:04.160 --> 1:49:05.840 one of them gets there. You're certainly not gonna have 1:49:05.840 --> 1:49:08.960 your choice. Maybe one of them gets there. And honestly, 1:49:09.000 --> 1:49:11.920 if Simmons is the one that falls, and they'll know 1:49:11.960 --> 1:49:14.880 what internally like externally, I worry that the medicals aren't good. Yeah, 1:49:14.920 --> 1:49:16.559 if Simmons is the only one that falls. I look 1:49:16.600 --> 1:49:18.679 at that and say, his knees is not in great shape. Yeah, 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:22.240 So I'm not confident that they're gonna get one of 1:49:22.240 --> 1:49:24.640 those guys at thirty eight. If it's not Campbell or 1:49:24.680 --> 1:49:27.120 Membu or Banks at the top of the draft. They 1:49:27.200 --> 1:49:29.960 have to be moving up. They have to be moving up. Yeah. 1:49:29.960 --> 1:49:32.320 And look, I like we say all the time with trades, 1:49:32.720 --> 1:49:35.439 and I've been kind of pounding the table about how 1:49:35.439 --> 1:49:37.400 hard it might be to trade back in this draft 1:49:37.439 --> 1:49:41.120 before trade it takes two to trade tango with the trade, 1:49:41.280 --> 1:49:43.280 but I think it's worse a team to trade out 1:49:43.280 --> 1:49:44.600 with you, Right, I should. 1:49:44.400 --> 1:49:46.519 Be able to trade up because every everybody wants to 1:49:46.560 --> 1:49:47.960 trade down. This is what we're talking about. A Ford. 1:49:48.080 --> 1:49:50.240 Nobody wants to trade up. Everybody wants to trade down. 1:49:50.520 --> 1:49:51.920 If you're trying to trade up, you should be in 1:49:51.920 --> 1:49:52.920 good shape. Uh. 1:49:53.000 --> 1:49:56.000 This is a good question from Ashton in Canada. He 1:49:56.120 --> 1:49:59.160 writes in about Jaden Higgins and Ted McMillan. This is 1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:01.040 something that we've talked to a little bit that like 1:50:01.080 --> 1:50:03.479 Ted McMillan is kind of Day one and Jayden Higgins 1:50:03.600 --> 1:50:06.400 is sort of the early Day two X in this draft. 1:50:06.439 --> 1:50:09.280 And he was just asking, you know, if we felt 1:50:09.320 --> 1:50:11.439 like there's a chance that Jaden Higgins is a better 1:50:11.479 --> 1:50:13.920 pro than Ted McMillan, and like, kind of whatever, the 1:50:14.120 --> 1:50:17.040 you know, who is better at what in certain areas. 1:50:17.280 --> 1:50:20.919 I think the biggest thing to me that maybe separates 1:50:21.000 --> 1:50:23.040 McMillan a little bit is the yards after the catch. 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:24.720 Yeah, Like I don't necessarily. 1:50:24.320 --> 1:50:27.679 See that speed or that ability and that fluidity after 1:50:27.720 --> 1:50:30.960 the catch that McMillan has out of Higgins, and I 1:50:30.960 --> 1:50:33.679 think that that might elevate his ceiling. But in terms 1:50:33.760 --> 1:50:37.240 of what they do in their routes, in the way 1:50:37.280 --> 1:50:39.720 that they play, in the way that they win, the 1:50:39.760 --> 1:50:41.439 fact that both of them are probably going to have 1:50:41.479 --> 1:50:43.400 to play a little bit in the slot to get 1:50:43.439 --> 1:50:46.880 some vertical stretch out of them, I think they play 1:50:47.000 --> 1:50:49.160 very similarly. I think they're kind of comparable in a 1:50:49.200 --> 1:50:52.080 lot of ways. I just would give Tet the edge 1:50:52.120 --> 1:50:54.120 just because of the yards after the catch ability. 1:50:54.240 --> 1:50:55.840 I think his ball skills are also a little bit better. 1:50:55.880 --> 1:50:57.400 I mean, they're both good in that regard, but that's 1:50:57.400 --> 1:50:59.960 why Yet's projector goes high as he has got unbelievable balls. 1:51:00.520 --> 1:51:02.680 Yeah that's fair, all right, you want to play a 1:51:02.800 --> 1:51:04.120 quick would you rather game? 1:51:04.200 --> 1:51:06.120 Oh boy, here we go. Yeah one. 1:51:06.280 --> 1:51:09.439 Have the Patriots trade back the fourth page to trade 1:51:09.479 --> 1:51:11.519 back up in the or trade back up in the 1:51:11.520 --> 1:51:13.880 first round. So would you rather trade back from four 1:51:14.040 --> 1:51:15.240 or trade up from thirty eight? 1:51:16.600 --> 1:51:17.360 Up from thirty eight? 1:51:17.400 --> 1:51:19.479 Yeah, I'm with you. I'm up from thirty eight as well. 1:51:20.080 --> 1:51:23.360 Have Giodd Campbell or Walter Nolan fall to thirty eight? 1:51:23.360 --> 1:51:26.000 Oh? John Campbell, Yeah that's not even close. 1:51:26.400 --> 1:51:27.479 Yeah, Walter noan. 1:51:27.479 --> 1:51:30.639 I like Walter Nolan, but like John Campbell in Rabel's defense, 1:51:30.680 --> 1:51:31.920 would be unbelievable. 1:51:32.080 --> 1:51:34.400 They have, they have the three technique, they have Milton Williams. 1:51:34.479 --> 1:51:36.479 Yeah, yeah, that's part. I don't think they need another. 1:51:36.760 --> 1:51:38.840 I feel like that was disrespectful to Walter Nolan the 1:51:38.840 --> 1:51:40.720 way I reacted, But like, I like Walter Nolan, but 1:51:40.760 --> 1:51:43.080 like John Campbell is so freaking good. 1:51:43.200 --> 1:51:45.240 I didn't spend a ton of time on Walter Nolan 1:51:45.560 --> 1:51:47.240 just because of where he's gonna go and and the 1:51:47.240 --> 1:51:48.479 fact that the Patriots Simon. 1:51:48.280 --> 1:51:50.200 Milton will see him plenty when he's in Buffalo. 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:53.680 I thought he was a little streaky, like it's a 1:51:53.680 --> 1:51:56.240 little hot and cold on the tape, for me personally. 1:51:56.520 --> 1:51:58.840 You know, there's moments where you're like, wow, like there 1:51:58.840 --> 1:52:01.719 it is, and but then there's like stretches of games 1:52:01.720 --> 1:52:04.160 where he kind of just was there like and just 1:52:04.200 --> 1:52:05.719 kind of running into the line of scrimmage. 1:52:05.720 --> 1:52:08.080 You want my defensive tackle take, Yeah, Kenneth Grant's the 1:52:08.080 --> 1:52:09.920 second best defensive tackle in the draft. And I think 1:52:09.960 --> 1:52:12.479 Kenneth Grant projected first round pick. I still think people 1:52:12.520 --> 1:52:13.280 are sleeping on him. 1:52:13.280 --> 1:52:18.280 Good athlete, yeah, Jalen Walker Mason Graham at four. 1:52:18.400 --> 1:52:19.920 I'm going jail Walker Walker. 1:52:20.000 --> 1:52:22.120 Yeah, Jalen Walker, more versatile, better. 1:52:21.960 --> 1:52:24.280 Player, fits a need better Yeah, Jalen Walker. 1:52:24.760 --> 1:52:28.000 Have Gray's Abel or Marian Hampton fall to thirty eight? 1:52:28.280 --> 1:52:30.759 Ooh, that's a good one. Hmmm. 1:52:31.800 --> 1:52:32.559 I'm going Hampton. 1:52:32.920 --> 1:52:35.000 Yeah, I'm siding with the quarterback on this one. You 1:52:35.040 --> 1:52:36.639 can get a guard later on. I'm going Hampton. 1:52:36.640 --> 1:52:38.439 It's a little bit more value even at running back. 1:52:38.520 --> 1:52:41.519 Yeah, I'm going Hampton. That's a close one though, Yeah, 1:52:41.520 --> 1:52:44.200 I could be. I could be. There's an argument for Zabel. 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:45.080 That's a good question. 1:52:45.240 --> 1:52:47.280 Okay, so this is this is more open ended, but 1:52:48.200 --> 1:52:51.040 what player with the first round grade are you predicting 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:53.559 the fall what player with. 1:52:53.560 --> 1:52:57.640 The first round gride? I gotta like pull up the 1:52:57.640 --> 1:53:00.160 list real quick. Hang on, I don't know if I 1:53:00.240 --> 1:53:02.439 thought of something similar. Say what you're gonna say that 1:53:02.479 --> 1:53:03.240 I thought of something similar. 1:53:03.479 --> 1:53:06.200 I don't know if everybody's gonna call I technically feel 1:53:06.240 --> 1:53:09.040 that he's a first round grade kind of guy. But 1:53:09.320 --> 1:53:11.839 Luther Burden falling out of the first round, Luther Bird. 1:53:11.680 --> 1:53:15.440 Would be one very likely. Mike Green would be another. Yeah, 1:53:16.640 --> 1:53:19.160 So what I was thinking is kind of I'll say 1:53:19.200 --> 1:53:20.720 I had Mike Green at like twenty eight. I think 1:53:20.840 --> 1:53:23.519 my last mock, so I'll say Mason Graham's are going 1:53:23.600 --> 1:53:26.040 to go in the first but every mock right now 1:53:26.080 --> 1:53:29.000 has him like six is his floor. I think you 1:53:29.160 --> 1:53:31.519 get down like nine or ten. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me. 1:53:31.600 --> 1:53:33.000 Here's what I was gonna say. I was thinking about 1:53:33.000 --> 1:53:35.080 this week. I was gonna write something about it later on, 1:53:35.160 --> 1:53:39.519 but I'll test it here. What is this year's Michael 1:53:39.520 --> 1:53:41.880 Pennock's pick? And what I mean by that is what 1:53:42.680 --> 1:53:46.639 is the pick that nobody is talking about that happens 1:53:46.680 --> 1:53:49.760 in the first round. That's a good one. I'd have 1:53:49.800 --> 1:53:50.559 to think about that. 1:53:51.439 --> 1:53:53.479 I mean, I had to trade on Henderson thing earlier, 1:53:53.720 --> 1:53:56.240 Like I feel like that could happen. Yeah, but I 1:53:56.280 --> 1:53:58.840 don't know if that's like quite on Michael Pennock's level. 1:53:58.840 --> 1:54:02.240 It's more r nabs, right, but just completely out of nowhere. 1:54:05.360 --> 1:54:07.400 I think Milroe in the first round would be kind 1:54:07.400 --> 1:54:10.400 of a stunner. Now he's invited to the draft, so 1:54:10.479 --> 1:54:13.160 obviously there's there's some ruzz that he might go in 1:54:13.200 --> 1:54:15.599 the first round, but that, to me, I think would 1:54:15.640 --> 1:54:17.320 be a little bit of a stunner, like where he 1:54:17.520 --> 1:54:19.920 was at the end of the college football season, Like 1:54:19.960 --> 1:54:22.400 he's made that much ground up, you know, in the 1:54:22.439 --> 1:54:24.280 pre draft process, and now all of a sudden he 1:54:24.720 --> 1:54:25.679 goes in the first round. 1:54:25.760 --> 1:54:27.600 I'd be pretty stunned about that. Yeah, So I was 1:54:27.640 --> 1:54:31.760 gonna say, like Millroe going like top twenty, Yeah, and 1:54:31.800 --> 1:54:34.800 maybe it's a trade up. But yeah, the other oh, 1:54:34.840 --> 1:54:36.040 the other one I had it. I put this in 1:54:36.040 --> 1:54:37.840 my last mock. I don't think I'm alone in this. 1:54:38.480 --> 1:54:40.480 I've seen a couple other people do it, but like 1:54:41.040 --> 1:54:45.800 Matthew Golden of the Steelers. Yeah, so he plays the 1:54:45.880 --> 1:54:49.160 inside with Pickens and Metcalf on the outside, and then 1:54:49.200 --> 1:54:52.240 Pickens on expiring contract, like it and this is this 1:54:52.360 --> 1:54:55.240 was this takes under the assumption that they finally signed Rogers, 1:54:55.240 --> 1:54:58.480 but like it's a lot of wide receiver in one offseason. 1:54:58.560 --> 1:55:01.720 But all right, speaking of receivers, then I have my 1:55:02.080 --> 1:55:03.520 little thing I want to get you here at the end. 1:55:03.840 --> 1:55:04.280 Uh. 1:55:05.000 --> 1:55:07.800 Will Wrights in and mentions that there just haven't been 1:55:07.840 --> 1:55:10.840 a ton of buzz about Patriots thirty visits with wide 1:55:10.840 --> 1:55:13.880 receivers specifically, I think Jalen Noel. 1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:16.480 Or Noel Yeah, I got that. 1:55:17.240 --> 1:55:20.320 I think he's maybe been reported now that he's. 1:55:20.120 --> 1:55:21.760 Come in and posted himself in the bill. 1:55:22.000 --> 1:55:24.520 Right, all right, but we haven't. We haven't seen you know, 1:55:25.000 --> 1:55:29.320 Golden Murden, McMillan and Will just ask like, do they 1:55:29.360 --> 1:55:31.160 always draft based off the thirty visits? 1:55:31.240 --> 1:55:34.680 No, definitely not pretty rare. Ac Yeah, I think all 1:55:34.800 --> 1:55:38.080 visits thirty combined Senior Bowl? Was it last year they 1:55:38.200 --> 1:55:40.080 like for their picks? Yeah, before that, I think it 1:55:40.120 --> 1:55:40.440 was two. 1:55:40.760 --> 1:55:43.440 It's very it's a it's a low percentage. There's a 1:55:43.480 --> 1:55:47.080 lot of intel information gathering that goes on at these 1:55:47.120 --> 1:55:50.240 types of things that isn't anything beyond just doing your 1:55:50.320 --> 1:55:54.680 due diligence on players. I'd also mentioned with the thirty visits. Uh, 1:55:55.320 --> 1:55:58.880 you're just getting what's leaked, so you don't know. We 1:55:58.880 --> 1:56:00.000 don't know all thirty guys. 1:56:00.280 --> 1:56:02.320 Ta Thornton was one we didn't known till after the 1:56:02.400 --> 1:56:03.400 draft we met with them. 1:56:03.480 --> 1:56:07.080 I remember also, you know, Christian Gonzales, like they sent 1:56:07.560 --> 1:56:11.640 at the time Drawd Mayo out to like personally spend 1:56:11.680 --> 1:56:15.000 like a weekend with Christian Gonzales in Oregon, uh, before 1:56:15.040 --> 1:56:16.920 the draft, and nobody knew about it, you know, and 1:56:17.280 --> 1:56:19.920 nobody knew about it till afterwards. So I would just 1:56:20.120 --> 1:56:23.280 caution that, you know, don't overreact to the thirty visits. Yeah, 1:56:23.480 --> 1:56:25.960 all right, last thing here, you and I got got 1:56:26.000 --> 1:56:29.040 put on blast a little bit on social Like we 1:56:29.120 --> 1:56:31.200 got put on blast a little bit. I think it's 1:56:31.560 --> 1:56:33.160 I think, yeah, I think we should do it. We 1:56:33.240 --> 1:56:35.240 got put on blast a little bit because we Uh, 1:56:35.560 --> 1:56:37.680 it was a class A felony that you and I 1:56:37.760 --> 1:56:40.440 said that we would not take a trade down with 1:56:40.520 --> 1:56:43.960 the Saints going from four for nine and forty and 1:56:43.960 --> 1:56:46.520 we both said we wouldn't do it. It doesn't feel like 1:56:46.640 --> 1:56:48.600 enough to me. It still doesn't feel like enough to me. 1:56:49.400 --> 1:56:52.200 But my main takeaway with this is one, you know, 1:56:53.080 --> 1:56:55.120 like it kind of caused a little bit of a 1:56:55.160 --> 1:56:59.160 start for no reason over like a take content on 1:56:59.200 --> 1:57:04.160 a podcast like Let's calm down. Second of all, if 1:57:04.160 --> 1:57:05.960 the Saints are gonna trade up with the Patriots just 1:57:06.000 --> 1:57:08.120 becoming a popular take. 1:57:07.960 --> 1:57:10.760 Which is banks on the idea that they want Sanders. 1:57:10.400 --> 1:57:12.640 Yeah, which banked on the idea that they want Sanders, 1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:17.320 then that means that the fourth overall pick is going 1:57:17.320 --> 1:57:19.600 to be Shador Sanders. So you are now selling the 1:57:19.640 --> 1:57:22.640 fourth overall pick for a quarterback, which in my opinion 1:57:23.280 --> 1:57:24.800 changes the value of the trade. 1:57:25.240 --> 1:57:28.200 Yes, right, not your opinion, that's generally how it's done. Yeah. 1:57:28.240 --> 1:57:32.240 So if it's Shador Sanders going at four, and that's 1:57:32.280 --> 1:57:34.680 who's gonna go at four, that means if the Raiders 1:57:34.680 --> 1:57:38.000 want you door Sanders, if the Saints want you door Sanders, Steelers, 1:57:38.000 --> 1:57:40.800 if the Steelers want you door Sanders, if any of 1:57:40.800 --> 1:57:43.160 these teams wants you to door Sanders, then they need 1:57:43.200 --> 1:57:45.520 to get up to pick four to get Shador Sanders, 1:57:45.720 --> 1:57:48.040 which just inherently will increase the mark. 1:57:47.920 --> 1:57:48.800 As a quarterback tacks. 1:57:48.840 --> 1:57:51.960 It's a quarterback tax. And so when I heard that 1:57:52.160 --> 1:57:55.360 trade proposal, it didn't feel like enough, and I still 1:57:55.360 --> 1:57:58.160 don't feel like it feels like enough. I want to 1:57:58.200 --> 1:58:01.080 trade down if you can. If Harder and Hunter aren't there, 1:58:01.120 --> 1:58:03.560 I would trade down, But I'm not trading down just 1:58:03.600 --> 1:58:04.200 to trade down. 1:58:04.520 --> 1:58:06.120 It's gotta be worth while. 1:58:06.200 --> 1:58:08.640 It's gotta be worthwhile, And just the last thing I'll 1:58:08.680 --> 1:58:13.320 say on it, I would be pretty disappointed if the 1:58:13.360 --> 1:58:18.560 Patriots came out of this draft without one of Carter, Hunter, 1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:20.440 Campbell or Membu. 1:58:20.320 --> 1:58:22.000 Like I'll put Jalen Walker in there. 1:58:22.240 --> 1:58:24.120 I feel like all four of those guys. To me, 1:58:24.760 --> 1:58:27.120 I want one of those four guys in the first round. Now, 1:58:27.160 --> 1:58:29.240 if you can still get that guy by trading down, 1:58:29.640 --> 1:58:31.760 then I get that there's a ton of value. 1:58:31.800 --> 1:58:33.760 I'm not super confident that all four of those guys 1:58:33.800 --> 1:58:35.640 make it tonight, and I'll put Walker in there. But 1:58:36.200 --> 1:58:38.400 I think for the grading it as a whole, they're 1:58:38.440 --> 1:58:42.200 all similar. But for the Patriots, specifically Ted McMillan, Mason Graham, Taler, 1:58:42.240 --> 1:58:44.720 Warre and those guys are a step back. So and 1:58:44.760 --> 1:58:46.400 I think that's just what it comes down to. Like, 1:58:46.480 --> 1:58:48.600 and some people put it in the replies to that video, 1:58:48.760 --> 1:58:51.440 like I'm just a little less confident in some of 1:58:51.480 --> 1:58:53.400 those guys falling, and it doesn't mean I wouldn't do. 1:58:53.440 --> 1:58:54.920 He just have to make it worth the while. Like 1:58:56.080 --> 1:58:58.840 borish friend of the show put in, like he added 1:58:58.840 --> 1:59:00.800 another trade, and I think Patriots are giving up like 1:59:00.840 --> 1:59:04.200 a fifth or six or something, but another top one hundred. Okay, 1:59:04.360 --> 1:59:06.560 if I'm getting three top one hundred picks back, I'm 1:59:06.600 --> 1:59:08.800 more interested what I would really like to see if 1:59:08.840 --> 1:59:11.200 they were going to make that trade. So we use 1:59:11.240 --> 1:59:14.800 the same basis four for nine and forty. If I'm 1:59:14.840 --> 1:59:16.680 the Patriots, the first thing I'm asking for on top 1:59:16.680 --> 1:59:20.200 of that is a future top one hundred pick early second. 1:59:20.240 --> 1:59:21.560 You're not going to get a first, You're just not 1:59:22.280 --> 1:59:24.840 Can you get a future second. I might even take 1:59:24.880 --> 1:59:28.120 a future third because the idea is, all right, I'm 1:59:28.160 --> 1:59:31.560 moving down this year, give me the ammunition to move 1:59:31.640 --> 1:59:33.560 back up next year in a better draft. I think 1:59:33.560 --> 1:59:35.120 I've talked about a little bit on this show. I've 1:59:35.120 --> 1:59:39.600 talked about it on other shows. The mathematics of the 1:59:39.680 --> 1:59:43.160 future picks and trades in this draft specifically is going 1:59:43.200 --> 1:59:46.640 to be fascinating. They're going to be worth less or 1:59:46.640 --> 1:59:48.360 they're going to be worth more in this draft because 1:59:48.400 --> 1:59:51.760 our team's going to be willing to borrow from future 1:59:52.040 --> 1:59:54.960 better drafts to improve their standing in this one. So 1:59:56.040 --> 1:59:58.360 and on the flip side, they're more valuable to acquire. 1:59:58.600 --> 2:00:01.560 So if I'm the Patriots, not moving back, I want 2:00:01.600 --> 2:00:03.600 a future for I want a future pick. I want 2:00:03.600 --> 2:00:05.640 a future pick. So okay, I'm gonna move back this year. 2:00:06.000 --> 2:00:08.200 Next year when it's better class, I want more top 2:00:08.280 --> 2:00:10.920 one hundred ammunition so I can move back up the board. 2:00:11.120 --> 2:00:13.920 Yeah, I would just be really careful. This is a 2:00:14.000 --> 2:00:17.520 draft to me with the Patriots, they have to nail 2:00:17.560 --> 2:00:18.520 their first round pick. 2:00:18.880 --> 2:00:20.520 They have any draft, but yeah. 2:00:20.400 --> 2:00:22.440 But they but this is a big draft for them. 2:00:22.520 --> 2:00:24.720 It's a big draft, and I have to nail that pick. 2:00:25.040 --> 2:00:26.200 I wouldn't get cute with it. 2:00:26.560 --> 2:00:27.520 Yeah, I'm with you on that. 2:00:27.680 --> 2:00:29.520 And all of a sudden, when you start trading down, 2:00:29.760 --> 2:00:31.840 I'm not saying don't trade down if the trade down 2:00:31.920 --> 2:00:34.080 is there, and it's the value is there for the pick, 2:00:34.280 --> 2:00:38.320 but we're not bit don't trade down just to trade down. Yeah, 2:00:38.320 --> 2:00:40.720 because you're gonna put yourself into a position in a 2:00:40.760 --> 2:00:44.400 weaker top of the draft that you might not nail 2:00:44.400 --> 2:00:44.720 the pick. 2:00:44.800 --> 2:00:47.080 If you believe in a guy, take them, if it's like, well, 2:00:47.160 --> 2:00:49.280 you know, I feel more comfortable at nine than four, 2:00:49.360 --> 2:00:51.440 then you don't really believe in the player, right, And 2:00:51.600 --> 2:00:53.880 if you don't believe in any of the players truly, 2:00:53.960 --> 2:00:55.720 which you might not in this draft, and that's Hunter 2:00:55.760 --> 2:00:59.400 and Carter off the board obviously, then like, yeah, just 2:00:59.440 --> 2:01:01.800 by defaul, you have to believe in one more than 2:01:01.840 --> 2:01:04.040 the rest. So just that's the guy. 2:01:04.840 --> 2:01:07.520 I just I keep coming back to the same thing 2:01:07.520 --> 2:01:12.200 with them. You have to be careful about the fact 2:01:12.280 --> 2:01:15.000 that this is a you gotta be able to get 2:01:15.000 --> 2:01:18.320 on base with this pick. Yeah, And I just I'm 2:01:18.360 --> 2:01:21.960 not jones in to just give away the pilk and. 2:01:21.840 --> 2:01:24.280 That's it to be fair. In twenty twenty three, they 2:01:24.360 --> 2:01:26.440 knew the board, they knew they can move down three 2:01:26.480 --> 2:01:28.280 spots and still get Christian Zales, and we gave them 2:01:28.320 --> 2:01:30.240 a ton of praise for that. Yeah, if you know, 2:01:30.560 --> 2:01:32.480 if you read the board, and you know, and this 2:01:32.560 --> 2:01:35.520 is including teams that might trade up, and like Miami's 2:01:35.560 --> 2:01:37.840 lurking there at thirteen. They're a trade up team for 2:01:37.880 --> 2:01:40.520 a tackle. They worry me. The Bears are a trade 2:01:40.560 --> 2:01:43.440 up team for an offensive lineman. Certainly the Colts might 2:01:43.520 --> 2:01:46.240 be too. Like if you know, all right, one of 2:01:46.280 --> 2:01:48.240 these guys is gonna get to nine if you read 2:01:48.280 --> 2:01:50.760 the board like, yeah, go for it. I just don't 2:01:50.840 --> 2:01:54.680 feel super confident that again that group, if Carter Hunter 2:01:54.680 --> 2:01:57.760 are there, you're not trading, so they're relevant. Yeah, Campbell, 2:01:58.640 --> 2:02:01.800 Membo and Walker. I'll put Walker in a group. I 2:02:01.800 --> 2:02:04.840 know you didn't. I will. And maybe you're okay ending 2:02:04.920 --> 2:02:07.680 up with Kelvin Banks, I guess, But like you're if 2:02:07.680 --> 2:02:11.160 you're not super confident in those guys falling, you get 2:02:11.160 --> 2:02:12.240 nervous about a trade like that. 2:02:12.400 --> 2:02:15.320 Yeah, absolutely, all right. So that does it for today. 2:02:16.120 --> 2:02:18.200 We'll be back next week. 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