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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us Always buy our bark.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr The only coach

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Speaker 1: The answers, but that way p one question it love it,

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Speaker 3: That made me feel good.

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Speaker 1: That was a good.

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Speaker 3: That was my favorite SoundBite to come from the owner's meetings.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it was favorite sound bite. Nothing, nothing,

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Speaker 1: but the coach that coaches, you're the team you cover said, certainly.

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Speaker 3: There's very well had a good You had a good presser.

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Speaker 1: I talked about building a tough, physical football team, didn't

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Speaker 1: he Not only that, nobody talked I'd rather hear about

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Speaker 1: that than ep a Ian. Rather hear about how you're

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Speaker 1: gonna win football games. And as long as the math lines.

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Speaker 3: Up, how you're gonna win football games is by building

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Speaker 3: a good passing game. That's how that's the point that

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Speaker 3: he was making.

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Speaker 1: By building good football team. Good passing game equals wins,

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Speaker 1: and good football team equals wins.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand that they're they're the same thing.

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Speaker 1: There's I believe it or not, there's more to football

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Speaker 1: than just throwing the ball. Yes, there is, for balance purposes. Sure, sure,

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Speaker 1: there's more to football than throwing the ball. All right,

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Speaker 1: I promise you watch a football game sometime. You'll be surprised.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, that's where you're going. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, Evan,

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Speaker 3: watch a football game that never happens. All right, Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 3: Evan Lazar, Alex Bars Patriots Catch twenty two. Two weeks

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Speaker 3: Alex two weeks to go until the NFL Draft. Two

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Speaker 3: weeks in a day. But I'm gonna call it two weeks.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna round down and call it two weeks. Look,

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Speaker 3: the hay is not quite in the barn for me personally,

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Speaker 3: but it's getting there. We're we're we're getting to hayes

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Speaker 3: was it biales?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Bales of hay to go? Yeah, but we're very very close.

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Speaker 1: And now is how many players? Would you say you're

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Speaker 3: Probably about one thirty?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm probably not range.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to get to one fifty this year.

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Speaker 3: and you just, you know, you kind of want to

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Speaker 3: now where the intel's changing daily. It almost feels like, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, last week it was a lock that, uh,

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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns are gonna take Abdual Carter at number two.

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Speaker 3: Now it's a lock that Travis Hunters is going to

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Speaker 3: go to to the Browns. It feels like we're in

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Speaker 3: that part of the off season, which I think is

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Speaker 3: interesting because now is the time where the scouting staffs,

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Speaker 3: Now they have their final draft meetings, and really, up

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Speaker 3: until this point, the board hasn't been set yet truly,

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Speaker 3: I think it was two drafts ago, maybe it was

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Speaker 3: last year's draft that Bill Belichick's is.

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Speaker 1: Last year on McAfee. I was going to bring this

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Speaker 1: up last year on McAfee, Bill Belichick said, the accurate

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Speaker 1: information from teams doesn't really start leaking out until about

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Speaker 1: This is where they all come together. These next two

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Speaker 1: next two weeks. So now it's just the same thoughts

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And this is a part of

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Speaker 1: It's the same arguments over and over because again there

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Speaker 1: we're just pulling these random what if ashion. Genty goes

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Speaker 3: Second, I haven't even heard that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard, you know for the Patriots. You know,

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Speaker 3: And then we're also gonna do My Guys starting today.

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Speaker 3: So My Guys is a fun segment we like to

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Speaker 3: do if you're not familiar. Basically, these are just the

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Speaker 3: We're planting our flags like these are our guys. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna do offense today, so we'll go every position, quarterback, receiver,

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Speaker 3: We'll get into all the my guys for the offense.

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Speaker 3: I think they're their GM fight out said like, can

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Speaker 1: There's obviously Ken if he wants come up to four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's obviously an infatuation with with Travis Hunter across

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Speaker 3: But what are just your general impressions right now of

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe I'm in the minority here

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Speaker 1: were there for Travis Hunter. But and I get they

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Speaker 1: sent a big group. I understand that, and Travis Hunter's

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Speaker 1: a great player. Is the owner really traveling for a

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Speaker 3: Like now he did go to Penn State.

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Speaker 1: He is the draft boogeyman. You don't want to see

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Speaker 3: He's a worker. He's very prepared. He does a lot

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Speaker 1: All he does. All he does is study football and

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Speaker 1: Well, this is kind of a I don't want to

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Speaker 1: Oh no, he can't, he can't do half a mini camp.

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Speaker 1: We got drive somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Uh. If there's anything going on, it might be care

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Speaker 1: We're not in the meeting rooms with these guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: If if you thought they were so good? Has happened

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Speaker 3: Whether you think it's overblown or not with some of

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Speaker 3: a little bit more timid with some of this stuff.

433
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Speaker 1: But if there is honest.

434
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Speaker 3: Concerns about a player's you know, mental makeup. You know

435
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Speaker 3: Javon Baker, I remember last year, you know, some of

436
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Speaker 3: this stuff about his maturity and all that kind of

437
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 3: stuff came in the Beast like that that he'll come

438
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Speaker 3: out and say it too, right, And it's important because,

439
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Speaker 3: like you said, we're on the outside looking in to

440
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Speaker 3: this puzzle. We don't have all the information at hand,

441
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Speaker 3: and when we will, you know, get our takes out.

442
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Speaker 3: It's about the tape, it's about the film, it's about

443
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Speaker 3: the player, and we have to realize that this other

444
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Speaker 3: stuff is just as important to teams as the football.

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did. The only reason we don't talk

446
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Speaker 1: about it is is we don't have it right, right,

447
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: we will look and sometimes it ends up being Psyeah.

448
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: Two years ago, teams were worried Christian Zalez was soft yeah,

449
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Speaker 1: and he wouldn't make it, and he fell to fourteen,

450
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Speaker 1: and then he fell to seventeen, and Annual fourteen he

451
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Speaker 1: went over him. Kean White too, Kean waves another one.

452
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Speaker 1: So sometimes it ends up being bs yeah in the

453
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Speaker 1: at the end. But it impact we're talking about when

454
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Speaker 1: we're talking about draft stock. It matters. And then you

455
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Speaker 1: know I said it about Gonzales at the time, all right,

456
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Speaker 1: it impacted this draft stock. I understand that. I didn't

457
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Speaker 1: think it was going to impact him as a player.

458
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Speaker 1: Those are two different conversations. Team screwed the draft up

459
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Speaker 1: all the time. You have to consider that.

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Speaker 3: So the other thing, as we segue into the next

461
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Speaker 3: news item I wanted to bring up, I have zero

462
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Speaker 3: hesitations about Abdul Carter playing defense, like not being like

463
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Speaker 3: a tackle or a receiver an offensive player. I think

464
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Speaker 3: the bad teams stay bad by passing on better players

465
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Speaker 3: for needs. Right, any if you have a chance to

466
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Speaker 3: get Abdul Carter now, you might look at me and

467
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Speaker 3: say you think Mason Graham's a better prospect than Will

468
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Speaker 3: Campbell or you think Jalen Walker is a bet. Those

469
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Speaker 3: guys to me are in the same cluster. They're in

470
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Speaker 3: the same stack, so need andsosition and positional value might

471
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Speaker 3: be a little bit more heavily weighted when you're within

472
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Speaker 3: a tier of players. Abdul Carter is in his own tier,

473
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Speaker 3: different tier, right, So when we're talking about Abdul Carter

474
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Speaker 3: over Will Campbell, or Abdul Carter over Ted McMillan or

475
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Speaker 3: Tyler Warren or whatever the case may be, we're talking

476
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Speaker 3: about a different level of prospect.

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Speaker 1: Gent is in that tier with Kit, with Carter and Hunter.

478
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Speaker 1: To me, he's just it's sure the running back thing.

479
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Speaker 1: But like I so to case in point for the Giants,

480
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Speaker 1: if it goes quarterback quarterback, they get to do the

481
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Speaker 1: whole positional value and fit thing. Yeah, with Carter and Hunter.

482
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Speaker 1: And that's why I think they would take Travis Hunter,

483
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Speaker 1: even though Carter might be a little bit of a prospect.

484
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Speaker 1: The one thing that kind of haves edge, So they

485
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Speaker 1: get to do that. If you're the Patriots and it's

486
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Speaker 1: Abdul Carter or the field, you don't get to do

487
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Speaker 1: that or Travis Hunter in the field. You don't really

488
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Speaker 1: get to do that because they're such different levels of player.

489
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Speaker 3: And I like what the Patriots have done on the

490
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Speaker 3: defensive line. Milton Williams is obviously a great player, a

491
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Speaker 3: good sign Harold l Anders, a solid signing that's gonna

492
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Speaker 3: be an NFL caliber starter that's gonna be plug and

493
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Speaker 3: play and a defense he's familiar with. But they don't

494
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Speaker 3: have it. They don't have a sack artist, like, they

495
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Speaker 3: don't have a finisher. They to me Abdull Carter completes

496
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Speaker 3: the defense like that's a cherry on top of the Sunday.

497
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Speaker 1: We've talked so much about the coverage dictating wide receiver. Yeah,

498
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Speaker 1: the blocking, dictating pass rusher. They don't have the Matthew Judon.

499
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Speaker 3: Right, the jude On, you know, the pure one on

500
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Speaker 3: one winner on the outside that's gonna have double digit sacks, right,

501
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they have that.

502
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Speaker 1: Who's the guy that's going to force offenses to do

503
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Speaker 1: things differently? And boy, you drop Carter into the thing. Carter,

504
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Speaker 1: Milton Williams, Christian Barmore. He is healthy, which probablys great

505
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Speaker 1: to seem in the building this week. Ye can right for workouts? Well,

506
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Speaker 1: I was just going to say, at all three levels, right,

507
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Speaker 1: you talk about cornerstone players. Kean White will see you

508
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: can get there, He's not there yet. Milton Williams, Christian Barmore,

509
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Speaker 1: Abdul Carter, Christian Gonzales. That's a defensive core. Yeah, that

510
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Speaker 1: is a true core that you can build around. And like,

511
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Speaker 1: those guys are going to give you a really solid floor.

512
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Speaker 3: When I look at the Patriots and then I promise

513
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Speaker 3: we'll move on because and I spend a lot of

514
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Speaker 3: time on this, but when I look at the Patriots

515
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Speaker 3: in terms of, you know what, there are pillars of

516
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Speaker 3: this team moving forward, Drake May, Christian Gonzalez and potentially

517
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Speaker 3: Abdul Carter. Doesn't that feel a little bit like Stroud,

518
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Speaker 3: Stingly and Will Anderson in Houston a little bit?

519
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: Right?

520
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: Like it's very similar. Obviously, Drake May hasn't risen quite

521
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Speaker 3: yet to the C. J. Stroud level. I wouldn't say

522
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Speaker 3: Stingley and Gonzales both all pro corners. I think Will

523
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Speaker 3: Anderson and Abdull Carter are adjacent in terms of talent

524
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Speaker 3: and you know, just ceiling as prospects coming out of college.

525
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Speaker 3: The Texans just did this right. The Texans just kind

526
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Speaker 3: of put set themselves up for the next at least

527
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Speaker 3: five years of being a playoff contending team.

528
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Speaker 1: Well before they tore their offensive line apartment.

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Now the difference is, and this is where

530
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Speaker 3: we get into defense and some of the guys I'm

531
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna mention with some of these recent visits that

532
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Speaker 3: have been reported, the little bit of difference is that

533
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Speaker 3: the Texans hit on Day two picks right, so that

534
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Speaker 3: they hit on Dave two picks specifically on offense. I

535
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Speaker 3: know he's been you know it hurt at times, but

536
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Speaker 3: you know, tant Dell, Nico Collins, you know, players like

537
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Speaker 3: that like you need to if you're gonna draft best available,

538
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Speaker 3: which is what I think Houston pretty much did with

539
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Speaker 3: Stingley and will Anderson.

540
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Speaker 1: Well they moved up to get and.

541
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they he was the best player available and

542
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Speaker 3: they moved up and got him. When you draft those

543
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Speaker 3: types of players on one side of the football, you

544
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Speaker 3: got to hit in rounds two through seven on some

545
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Speaker 3: of the other positions that are going to be important

546
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Speaker 3: to your offense. And Nico Collins is like a mid

547
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Speaker 3: round draft pick that turns into one of the best

548
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Speaker 3: receivers in football. You know, that's right, that's the type

549
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: of thing you have to do. So along those same lines,

550
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Speaker 3: the Patriots reportedly again over the last week or so,

551
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: have met host did Mikel Williams and Shamar Stewart on

552
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: thirty visits. Now, my instant reaction to that was, oh, well,

553
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: they're stacking a trade down, right, Like if a trade

554
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 3: down is their best option at four. And I'm not

555
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Speaker 3: saying that they want a trade down or they have

556
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Speaker 3: a trade down in place. I'm just saying if like,

557
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: you have to come up with all the contingencies and

558
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: be prepared for every single possible contingency that could come

559
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Speaker 3: your way. So let's say they get the draft night,

560
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Speaker 3: Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter go in the top three.

561
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Speaker 3: They're sitting at four. The New Orleans Saints call, right,

562
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Speaker 3: and they want Shador Sanders, So they're trading up for

563
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Speaker 3: Shador Standers. You go back to nine. Who are what's

564
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: your stack at nine?

565
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Speaker 1: Right?

566
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Speaker 3: Like, who are the guys that you would be comfortable

567
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Speaker 3: with taking at nine? And Mikel Williams and Shamar Stewart

568
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: to me, would fit into that stack that range of

569
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Speaker 3: the draft. Now, I'm definitely mikel over Shamar Stewart. I

570
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 3: think Mikyle Williams is a much better football player than

571
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Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart.

572
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Speaker 1: Williams said McKay like the safety.

573
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Speaker 3: I said, I don't know. Mike hal Williams.

574
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

575
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: Uh, he's a better football player to me than Stuart.

576
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: Stewart's a better athlete. Stuart's a one to one athlete,

577
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: you know, absolutely rare tools and athleticism. But I didn't

578
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: love what I saw on tape from Stewart. I thought

579
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: he was stiff. It doesn't have a ton of bend

580
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: off the edge, not gonna win with much finesse. You know,

581
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: I really actually thought watching him that Will Campbell, you know,

582
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: kind of ate his lunch. Like he really didn't give

583
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Speaker 3: Will Campbell very many problems at all. You know, Guys

584
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: like Kyle Knard, you know, his teammate Nick Scot and

585
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: like some more twitched up guys that can you know,

586
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: win with more speed and win with more finesse. Like

587
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: those guys tended to give Will Campbell some problems. But

588
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: to me right now, Shamar Stewart's a ball play. He's

589
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: a risk I think for the Patriots shore to your

590
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: point earlier if we were two, three, four years into

591
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: this thing and they had somehow got into the you know,

592
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Speaker 3: a top ten pick or a late top ten pick,

593
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Speaker 3: and they want to give Rabel and Terrell Williams this

594
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 3: ball of clay, you know, raw toolsy athletic pass rusher,

595
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: you know, have at it. But I think the Patriots

596
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: need to get on base with this draft pick as

597
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: much as anything. They need to hit one right down

598
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: the fairway. Mikel Williams, I think does that a little

599
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: bit more, a little bit more college production, a little

600
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: bit more translatable. I think to a four to three

601
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: and you know he's a four to three base end,

602
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: like that's what he is. Great length, you know, above

603
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: average length in terms of arm length, and also stride

604
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: length as well. I think is a good strength of

605
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: his really good film against Kelvin Banks Junior. A trade

606
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Speaker 3: down to nine ish in drafting Mikel Williams or you know,

607
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: Jalen Walker, I know is getting some buzz as well.

608
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: To get a nine. I feel like he's heat. That guy,

609
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: screams Carolina Panther.

610
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, either one of those guys, though, I'd be

611
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: okay with in that scenario but what are your thoughts

612
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: in the meeting with those guys, because I think Williams

613
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Speaker 3: and again, I think Williams and Stewart are kind of

614
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: in the no man's land for them, like it doesn't

615
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: really feel like they're going to be in a position

616
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Speaker 3: to draft those guys.

617
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Speaker 1: Well, so, Stuart, I've seen some mocks that put them

618
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Speaker 1: down into the twenties. Now, some of that is Mike

619
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: Green going higher than expected with that, that's another guy

620
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: that has some non football concerns. Yeah, some of those

621
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: mocks have some other edge guys going earlier, but no,

622
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Speaker 1: they're they're they want to be ready if a trade

623
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Speaker 1: down comes. You can't get to nine and be like, shoot,

624
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: we don't know anything about any of these guys, right,

625
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: so you want to be prepared in that situation. It

626
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Speaker 1: also might be something we've heard of this. Both those

627
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: guys played in the SEC, right, Yeah, Hey, what you

628
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: what did you think of well Campbell? Yeh? What was

629
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Speaker 1: it like facing him? Kelvin Banks? What was that like?

630
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Speaker 1: Going up against him like that? That's the best that

631
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: can be some of the best intel you get literally

632
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Speaker 1: talking the guys who are lined up on the other side.

633
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Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to be one of the other.

634
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: It could be both. Hey, we want to know about

635
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Speaker 1: a trade back and also we're kind of interested in

636
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Speaker 1: what this guy is to say about some of the tackles.

637
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Speaker 1: So I don't hate it they're doing. They're due diligence.

638
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: I see people freak out some time they're burning thirty visits.

639
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: Thirty is a lot of visits, especially when you consider that, well,

640
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: they don't have as much help with the local pro

641
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: dates as like, there's no reason for the Cowboys to

642
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: have a thirty Yeah, because you can. You can host

643
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: players who are either I think it's what within ninety

644
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: miles of your team facility.

645
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: There's some like outside the lines with that in terms

646
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Speaker 3: of like the lines, I mean literally like drawing the

647
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: mileage lines, Like Yukon is a local visit for the Patriots,

648
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: So I don't know if it exactly fits into the mileage,

649
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: but they stretch it because they know there isn't a

650
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: ton of college football.

651
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have the university, they have all those schools

652
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: in Dallas, plus all the kids that are from that

653
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: area that ARECU Baylor. Yeah, some of the Florida teams too,

654
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, the Jags. They have a nice advantage there.

655
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a side rant. Yeah, no, I think

656
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: it's just due diligence.

657
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that.

658
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: And it's also you know, it's a smoke screen too,

659
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: like if they only met with Will Campbell, do they

660
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: meet with Membo? So I don't.

661
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure they have, but I don't know if.

662
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: For thirty, But if you have Will Campbell visit and

663
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: that's it, you kind of lose a lot of leverage

664
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: if you're trying to make a trade or what have you.

665
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, get to know the top guys on the board.

666
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting. Uh, you know, we hear these

667
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: thirty visits and you mentioned that them knowing the opponents

668
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: that they've gone up against. You know, Calvin Banks Junior

669
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: is a good one. I don't know if if Williams

670
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: ever faced Campbell maybe two years ago. They didn't play

671
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: Georgia last year. I know that, But anyways, yeah, uh,

672
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: maybe he has along the line. But I've heard that

673
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: before that guys will get hosted for visits and they'll

674
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: spend the entire visit talking about their teammate or talking

675
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: about a guy they went up against. Usually it's a teammate.

676
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: Like usually you're you bring in like you know, a

677
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: quarterbacks receiver, recorder, you know, vice versa, and like you

678
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: kind of use them to get to know the other player.

679
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: But there's times where like they'll say, yeah, like they

680
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: didn't ask me any questions about me, that they're asking

681
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: me all questions about you know, Shador, They're asking me

682
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: all questions about Travis Hunter. Like you know, it's something

683
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: totally different. But I looked at that in my at

684
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: face value and said, you know, if they if they

685
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: orchestrated trade down here than those two guys. And I

686
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: think in general, just having interesting interest in edge in

687
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: general makes a lot of sense. And I know some

688
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: people look at it and and want other positions and

689
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: want them to fill other needs early in the draft.

690
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: But it's a great edge class. And I would say

691
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: that the Patriots still could use a young, you know,

692
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: developing player there. You know, Harold Landry I think is

693
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: good for now. He's he's going to be a good

694
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: starter for them in the short term. Really opposite of Landry,

695
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: you know, is it Kean White, you know, is he

696
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: an outside guy? Is he really more just a rotational

697
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: inside guy? You know, Chase On I think is really

698
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: a situational pass rusher. I don't think he's a starting

699
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: end for them, So drafting somebody at that position, I again,

700
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: like going back to the Abdual Carter thing. I don't

701
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: think it's crazy, Like I don't.

702
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm with you, but I think in this draft, like

703
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: they don't need to take that guy in the first

704
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: round and get that guy. There's some really good Day

705
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: two edge guys.

706
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 3: All right, let's get into my guys, and then we'll

707
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: take the calls in the emails for the last hour

708
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: or so here. Let's start with quarterback as we can

709
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: kind of probably.

710
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: Go pretty quickly. Just go to the first round. Yeah,

711
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: first round, guys are out let me at real quick.

712
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: Just aside from the Patriots. Who ends up being QB

713
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: three and where does he go?

714
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart yep, mid to eight first like twenties.

715
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: So I when I did my mock draft, I added,

716
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: as Jackson Dart, I had the Giants moving up to

717
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: I think twenty six to take them. I had them

718
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: taking Hunter right and then Jackson Dart makes the most sense.

719
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: Jalen Miller accepted that invite to the draft, so so

720
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm not se was surprising some people. I think he's no, no.

721
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 3: I just quarterback. I gotta be honest. I just didn't

722
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: really care too much about quarterbacks. So, uh, I liked

723
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: what I saw.

724
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: At Jillian Milroe though.

725
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 3: And you know, most of these guys I just watched

726
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: because I was watching other guys, and you obviously the quarterbacks,

727
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: so you see them. I just look at Jalen Milroe. Uh,

728
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: he's such a great athlete and uh he's got some

729
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 3: zip on the ball. Like he's not a bad thrower either.

730
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: That I think you can build an offense with Jalen Milroe. Like,

731
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: it's gonna have to be specific to Jalen Milroe. It's

732
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 3: gonna have to be, you know, similar to what the

733
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 3: Eagles do with her, you know, and stuff like that,

734
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 3: even you know, the Commanders with Jayden Daniels. It's gonna

735
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 3: have to be specific to the player, and it's gonna

736
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: have to be different, uh than you know, you're not

737
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: gonna just plug him into a pro style NFL offense

738
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: that goes under center and uh and does what NFL

739
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: pocket quarterbacks do and expect it to work. But if

740
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: you're crafty enough, if you're creative enough as an offensive mind.

741
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

742
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: I think that there's so much raw talent there and

743
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: raw ability, especially with his athleticism and his mobility, that

744
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: I'd be willing to take a bet on Jalen Hurts

745
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: in the second round.

746
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: So, Jen, I'll give you a couple fits for Jalen

747
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: Milroe for me. Yeah, one is the Saints if they

748
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: move up in the late first right, Kellen Moore just

749
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: did that with Jalen Hurts. The other one is the

750
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: Browns because when Jaln Milroe had that breakout your album

751
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, who was his offensive coordinator? That

752
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: wasn't Bill O'Brien Nope, twenty three. Oh Tommy Reese, who's

753
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: now the OC in Cleveland. Yeah. I think Jaln Milroe

754
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: or Will Howard should be the QB three in this

755
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: draft because one has immense ceiling, one has a very

756
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: solid floor. Jackson Dart to me is splitting the difference.

757
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: I have no interest in splitting the difference. On day two.

758
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: Give me an extreme, which extreme we could debate that

759
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: and that's probably Team New Team. I think it should

760
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: be Milroe. I really like Will Howard.

761
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: I do I have Will Howard on my list too,

762
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: as day two obviously as well. I don't know where

763
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: Milroe is gonna fall in exactly, but I watched his

764
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: doing like the QB school stuff. Again, he's great on

765
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: the whiteboard, A smart kid, you know, can conceptually understands

766
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 3: the game really well. I thought he throws a great

767
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: ball like it you know, it's he's a pocket passer's

768
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: big you know, six foot five, two hundred and thirty

769
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: pound pocket passer. Throws a really good ball again, understands

770
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: conceptually what the offense is trying to achieve, what he's reading,

771
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: what he's seeing out there from the defense. I mean,

772
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: he's probably not the most creative offscript guy or most

773
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: mobile guy. He doesn't really.

774
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: Have that in him move around a little bit.

775
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: But I think that he's you know, like you said,

776
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: maybe I don't know if you know, high floor, but

777
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: like I just think that you run an offense with

778
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: him right like you cat, he can really come in

779
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 3: and step in and run an offense. Now, he's obviously

780
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: going to have the concerns if you will, you know,

781
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: similar to like Mac Jones at Alabama, Like was it

782
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: just you know, Jamari Smith and all all these different

783
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: people you know around him.

784
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: He was pretty good at at Kansas State. Yeah he

785
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: didn't have Ye, there's some guys on that team, but

786
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: not the same level of talent.

787
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I get that concern. Yeah, he's he's got

788
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: a great offensive line, he's got Chip Kelly calling plays,

789
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: he's got all worldwide receivers all over the place at

790
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: Ohio State. But I just like the skill set and

791
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that will make it work

792
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: in the NFL. Probably won't be a ceiling quarterback. He's

793
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: probably never gonna be like a top five quarterback in

794
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: the league, but I think he could be a starter.

795
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: I think so too.

796
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, should we do like Patriots guys? Now, Well, I

797
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: was just I don't. I don't think the Patriots have

798
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: any interest in any of these quarterbacks.

799
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: I well, they're gonna add a quarterback because Josh McDaniels

800
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: usually wants foreign camp, so that's they're gonna get their

801
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: Trace McSorley veteran camp are right, I wouldn't be surprised

802
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: they draft another guy to have him around imagency emergency

803
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: third quarterback. Obviously, he's not gonna have the same physical

804
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: tools as a guy like Joe Milton, so there's less

805
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: concern there. There's two guys. I look at one and

806
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: I know you hate this, and I've kind of dumped

807
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: on this guy during the process. But for where the

808
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: situation is now, it makes sense, and that's Brady Cook.

809
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: Brady Cook was terrible in twenty twenty four. He was

810
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: not good.

811
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: Why Luther Burnden is not gonna go in the first round.

812
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: Brady Cook in twenty twenty three was a baller. Brady

813
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: Cook was awesome in twenty twenty three ball stretch. He

814
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: was really he was better. He was he was one

815
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks in the SEC. In twenty twenty four.

816
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: He was better. Teams are gonna look at it and say,

817
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: what happened in twenty twenty four. If Elliott Wolf wants

818
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: to repeat what he did with Joe Milton, Okay, we're

819
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: gonna find a guy with some tools, with some sneaky upside,

820
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: see if we can flip him. Brady Cook's got some mobility,

821
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: he's got a big arm. It's not in the same

822
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: stratosphere as Joe Milton, but nobody is right. Yeah, you

823
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: want to try to bet on somebody that maybe can

824
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: have a couple of good preseason games, you can flip.

825
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: Brady Cook has flashed more than any of those guys

826
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: late on Day three or the udfas are gonna flash.

827
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: The other one is Max Brosmer from Minnesota, very experienced quarterback,

828
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: a local guy, played at UNH for a few years,

829
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: was dominant at UNH. Transferred to Minnesota last year and

830
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: held his own. He looked like a solid. He wasn't unbelievable.

831
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: But again, if you're just looking for somebody to be

832
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: that emergency third quarterback on game day that maybe you

833
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: can flip in a year or two, Brasmer is a

834
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: little interesting to me. All right, Well that's your quarterbacks.

835
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: You don't have anybody they're gonna go late in the draft.

836
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: You must have one. Come on, now, watched all these

837
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: wide receivers.

838
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: I have no appeal for any of them, his quarterback

839
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: coast thinks, And I have no appeal for any of them.

840
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: Churizma.

841
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: Now like maybe maybe, like you know, I could get

842
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: talked into like a Curtis Roke or Brady Cook, like

843
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: as like a seventh round you do.

844
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like I'm not taking these guys, Curtis,

845
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: I think.

846
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: To me, kinder Minds reminded me a little bit of

847
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: like Aidan O'Connell, Like he's just like gonna be like

848
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: an NFL backup.

849
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: Well he also he played all of last year on

850
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: a twenty cl Yeah.

851
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: So if you're looking for somebody that is totally non

852
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: threatening and is going to just fit into a back

853
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: of what I'm saying, then Curtis Rourke I think makes

854
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: the most sense.

855
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: Curtis Rourke. Brady Rabel's gonna like Curtis Rourke, excuse me,

856
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: because he has the intangibs. Let me give you one

857
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: more quarterbacks.

858
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: I think Brady Cook. It not that I don't want

859
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: to do the whole Juem Milton thing again, but I.

860
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: Think Brady He's not on that level.

861
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: Brady Cook, though, has is more of like the tools upside.

862
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, pick here.

863
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: Curtis Rourke to me, is if you want a draft

864
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 3: Chase Daniel, Like if you want to draft a career backup,

865
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: who could back up? Who could back up Drake May

866
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 3: for the next five years? Like this is Curtis Rurke.

867
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: That that's Curtis Rourke and Bros. Murder me Brady Cooks

868
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: a little more. If they want to see if they

869
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: can flip another quarterback.

870
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, one more quick quarterback take because I've seen people

871
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: bring up Garrett Green from West Virginia and Tommy Mellett

872
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: from Montana State and say, hey, you can bring these

873
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: guys in. They can be the third quarterback and maybe

874
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: they can play receiver. Garrett Green's like five to eleven.

875
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: Tommy Mellett's a smaller guy who was an option quarterback

876
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: in Atanta State. Again, well, so here's what I'd say.

877
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't think either of those guys are gonna be

878
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: Julian Needelman because Julian Edelman's wonted to mill. But if

879
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: you want to try it and they're both, I don't

880
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: think either one's gonna get drafted. If you want to

881
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: try it as UDFA, I'm not opposed to it, fine,

882
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: but there if you're doing that for them to play

883
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver, in them to learn how to play wide receiver,

884
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: you can't do Malie Cunningham again, where all right, we're

885
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna play a little bit of quarterback are and to

886
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: play them a little bit of No, if you want

887
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: to develop those guys a wide receiver, you develop them

888
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver, they're not playing quarterback. They're not

889
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: gonna wear non contact jors e. They're not going to

890
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: be the emergency third quarterback on game day. If you're

891
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: adding those guys, you're adding them as receivers.

892
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: Okay, that's enough quarterback. That's that's there's the last point

893
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: I want to get out. Let's get to running backs.

894
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 3: So we did day one, Day two, Day three. That's

895
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 3: how we kind of split this up with each position.

896
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: This is my guy and a take all in one.

897
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: Oh boy, okay, you're ready for this. Yeah, So my

898
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: Day one running back is Travon Henderson because I think

899
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: Travon Henderson might go in.

900
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: The first round.

901
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: Okay, because two reasons just for the Patriots are in general,

902
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 3: just in.

903
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: General, but I also love him.

904
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: For the Patriots, it's probably doesn't make sense for them

905
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: to draft him just where he's gonna go. You know,

906
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: they at best are gonna get him at thirty eight, right, So,

907
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,479
Speaker 3: like you know, I think it's gonna be long gone

908
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: by the time you wrap back around into the third round.

909
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: But Travon Henderson, to me, for two reasons, I think

910
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: that he might get drafted in the late fur round. One,

911
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: he's just a fluid, explosive, big play machine, right. You know,

912
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 3: he's got all of the the tools in the world

913
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 3: to be just breaking off big play after big play

914
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 3: in the run and in the past game, you know, screens,

915
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: routes out of the backfield, like he can do all

916
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: of that. This is, you know, coupled with the fact

917
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: that it's a it's a copycat league. Yea, the Lions

918
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: just did this with Jamiir Gibbs. And I look at

919
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: Traveon Henderson, I don't think he's quite as.

920
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: Fast as Jamiir Gibbs.

921
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: Like I think Jamior Gibbs had a little bit more

922
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: juice than Henderson, but Henderson's close. And I think that

923
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 3: the best cop for him is probably more like bris

924
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: Hall than it is Jamiir Gibbs. But I think that

925
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 3: he's got some shades of Jamiir Gibbs in his game.

926
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: And if you're one of these teams copycat League, I

927
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: would not be surprised if somebody grabs Trevon Henderson thinking

928
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: that he's the next Jamier Gibbs. And also just quickly

929
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: Jamier Gibbs got overdrafted.

930
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, relatively consensus.

931
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: He got drafted a lot higher than people expected. So

932
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: I think that that could also be happening here with

933
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: trade first.

934
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: Round running backs from Evan I love it. Yeah, so

935
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: I did this more with Patriots in mind. First round guy,

936
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: Amari and Hampton, you want to make your young quarterback happy.

937
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about trading up from thirty eight

938
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: for a tackle or a receiver whatever. If he falls,

939
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, move up

940
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: get him in addition of you know, a tackle or

941
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: whoever at the top of the first round, and that

942
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: that would be my first round guy. I don't think

943
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: Anderson's going to go that high, so I guess he's

944
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: my first round guy too. Genty just feels Genty's not

945
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that can be my guy because

946
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: everybody knows how good Ashon Genty is.

947
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised and is going to blow you away.

948
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: This is just like a like a bold prediction. Yeah right,

949
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: this isn't an actual take. It's just kind of a

950
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 3: bold prediction. I love amar and Hampton. I've loved him

951
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: since I saw him, you know, last year, But he

952
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: is more of like a linear runner. He's a little

953
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: bit tighter hipped he doesn't quite have the game breaking

954
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: speed that Traveon Henderson does. Like, I just wouldn't be

955
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: shocked if Travon Henderson goes a lot earlier than people

956
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 3: are expecting, because somebody wants a speedback in particular, right,

957
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: not you know, a work course like Omrion Hampton's. The

958
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: appeal of Amario and Hampton is the volume that he's

959
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: going to be able to take on. If you're looking

960
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: for somebody that's going to be more of a game

961
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: changer in terms of play speed and big playability, then

962
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: that's more like like Travon Henderson all right, Day two

963
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: running backs, I think you would know this for me.

964
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: I love Dylan Samson from Tennessee. I really think that

965
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 3: he's the best Day two running back in the range

966
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 3: for the Patriots, maybe with their first third round pick

967
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: if they get lucky and he makes it that far.

968
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: I just think he's a really efficient runner, but he

969
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: also has plenty of creativity and plenty of speed to

970
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: break off big plays. There are some concern there with

971
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: the wonky offense at Tennessee and the light boxes and

972
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, but he grated out really

973
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 3: well against all different types of boxes. And I think

974
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: the one thing about Tennessee's offense is they underutilize past

975
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: catching running backs thrount of the running back a ton.

976
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: I think in the NFL, Dylan Sampson's gonna be an

977
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: even better pass catcher than he was in college, just

978
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: because teams will use him in that vein. He's probably

979
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: at his best in like a David Montgomery Jamir Gibbs

980
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: style platoon right where he's got like a thunder and

981
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 3: lightning thing going on with somebody. And that's from Andre

982
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: Stevenson for the Patriots. So if they're gonna go round

983
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: three running back and they want to find a compliment

984
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: to Remandre, I feel like Dylan Samson's the best ball

985
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: of both worlds there.

986
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: So my guy on day two, I think people can

987
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: guess this is Quinn Shawn Judkins. I just think he's

988
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: I love the way he runs. He's old school man.

989
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: For the Patriots specifically, though it has to be Sampson. Yeah,

990
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: I think you put him with Dermandre Stevenson. That's that's

991
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: just such a dynamic backfield. You're getting a little bit

992
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: of everything with those two. I think he can probably

993
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: play that pass catching back role and then do a

994
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: little bit more on top of that. So for me,

995
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: it's it's Sampson at sixty nine. Makes all the sense

996
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: in the world. Yeah, So day three, I don't know,

997
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: there's so many options.

998
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a run of running backs at somewhere

999
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: in the late third, early fourth round. So that's the

1000
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: cutoff for day two day three, So I don't know

1001
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 3: how specific you want to get with that.

1002
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: You know, if r J.

1003
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: Harvey is there on day three though, like that's my guy.

1004
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: I think RJ.

1005
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: Harvey reminds me a ton of Dion Lewis, right, just

1006
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: a low center of gravity, a great jump cut ability,

1007
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: really elusive, thirty two runs of over fifteen yards last year.

1008
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: Explosive guy. I think he's going to be able to

1009
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: do that in the passing game as well. Smaller, like

1010
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: not a volume back necessarily, but I think he's someone

1011
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: that really has a lot of explosiveness and can still

1012
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: run between the tackles. If you want to go a

1013
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: little bit later because you feel like Harvey might be

1014
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: third round pick and not again into the fourth round.

1015
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: Brishard Smith from SMU is really appealing coverage. Yeah, converted

1016
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: wide receiver goes to SMU, turns into a running back

1017
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: ran a four to three nine, but still has all of

1018
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: the wide receiver skill, ball skills, route running ability, can

1019
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: right run routes from the slots. How about you know,

1020
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: I see a little bit of Jared McKinnon, Well, Jet McKinnon.

1021
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: Niam Hines like another one that I kind of thought

1022
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: of a little bit of.

1023
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: Him as well. I mean, like obviously not when he

1024
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: was here, but like prime time time Montgomery.

1025
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that too.

1026
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: I have another converted receiver.

1027
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's quite as as bouncy as

1028
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: as Jet McKinnon. Like McKinnon is like a jitterbug. I

1029
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 3: don't know if he quite has that.

1030
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: He's more straight line. Yeah, So that's why I kind

1031
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: of thought of Niame Hines. So I'm just gonna because

1032
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: there's so many running backs, I'm just gonna use this

1033
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: opportunity to ask why more people are not talking about

1034
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: Kyle Manong. Guy. I feel like it's Isaiah Pacheco all

1035
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: over again. Yeah, Like, come on, he runs mean, he

1036
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: runs angry, He's faster than people think he can handle

1037
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: himself in the passing game. I really like Kyle mno

1038
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: on guy, but my guy for the Patriots. You know,

1039
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: I gotta go with laquin Dallen Syracuse or Wood he

1040
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: marks like Luquindallen, Wood, he marks Purshard Smith. Give me

1041
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: one of those three guys to play the James White role.

1042
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: I will be very happy if they get one of

1043
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: those three guys and he catches sixty balls in a season. Awesome,

1044
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: Like that's what I want from that. And then they

1045
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: had a bowling ball back later, great like a film

1046
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: offa But just give me one of those pass catching guys.

1047
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: It's interesting because you know we're doing our big boards.

1048
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: Douce and I do dueling big boards. And when I

1049
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: started to do the running backs, I don't worry. I

1050
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: put a lot of running backs on there. I know

1051
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 3: they're gonna draft a running back. We all know it

1052
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: because I put a lot of running backs on there.

1053
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 3: And I just can't get mister Kraft out of my head.

1054
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: Speedback right? Not not Damien Martinez.

1055
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: Right, We're not going Davian Martinez would be fun.

1056
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: We're not going power between the tackles here.

1057
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: I even I won't. Why not both? You don't think

1058
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: I think there's a real chance they draft two running backs, Yeah,

1059
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: bigger Bowl high.

1060
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: Like in the four to third fourth, like a Pierre

1061
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: Strown Kevin Harris Reducks, but better.

1062
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do you get because the past catching backs

1063
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: are all later unless they want Simpson Samson. Yeah, the

1064
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: pass catching backs all projected to go later. Yeah, I

1065
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: mean get Damien Martinez are an allibordonate one oh six

1066
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: or even maybe at seventy seven, or even Caleb Johnson

1067
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: if he falls right at seven. He said, that's a fall,

1068
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: but somebody's gonna Caleb.

1069
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: Johnson is a little bit more of his own back

1070
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 3: by here, and then.

1071
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: You get that passing down back later. And now you

1072
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: have if McDaniels is going to go back to splitting them.

1073
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: Stevenson Rookie one is your early down, Gibson Rookie two

1074
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: is you're passing down and your set like that's I

1075
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: think that's if it were up to McDaniels. Not if

1076
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: it were up to McDaniels, but like all other things aside,

1077
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: if McDaniels could set the running back room up like that,

1078
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: he'd be very happy. Now, there's other things you have

1079
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: to do that may prevent you from doing that, but

1080
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what McDaniels would like to runningack room

1081
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: to look like all.

1082
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: Right, wide receiver, Day one, Day two, Day three again

1083
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: at wide receiver. I'm just gonna take this opportunity to

1084
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: do once again to say Travis Hunter is a wide

1085
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: receiver like that, that's.

1086
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 1: My I think that's clear.

1087
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: That's my Day one guy, Travis Hunter, wide receiver. I

1088
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: think one of the big things that has irked me

1089
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 3: the most this draft season is hearing that Travis Hunter

1090
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 3: is a raw route runner, Like this is just drive

1091
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 3: me up a wall.

1092
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: Show me a college receiver that isn't.

1093
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 3: But it's different buckets, right, Like there's wide there's wide

1094
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: receivers that win as technicians, yeah, and there's wide receivers

1095
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: that win because they're built different, Like Travis Hunter is

1096
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: in the built different category.

1097
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1098
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the things that you hear

1099
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: about him and read about him as a wide receiver,

1100
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: you know, they right remind me a lot of like

1101
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: Molik Neighbors, Odell Beckham Junior like guys like that when

1102
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: they were coming out that no, if you wanted to

1103
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: put teach tape up of how to run a dig like,

1104
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: they might not be the ones that you would put

1105
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 3: up on the film, like maybe you'd go up and

1106
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 3: get like a Ladd McConkey right to run a route

1107
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 3: and show a sixth grader how to run an out

1108
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 3: right Like that might not be your guy, but if

1109
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: you want guys that have unreal place to be, great

1110
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: ball skills, great ability to change directions in suddenness, a

1111
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: gear changes, I think is a really underrated skill for

1112
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: wide receivers or guys that can tempo routes and have

1113
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: different gears that they can get to, because that can

1114
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: really make corners uncomfortable. Travis Hunter does all of those

1115
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: different things as a wide receiver, So I'm just excited

1116
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: that that take is becoming more popular and becoming a

1117
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: lot more of a head of steam, especially after his

1118
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 3: pro day when he only ran routes and didn't do

1119
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 3: any cornerback drills. So one last time, in my guys,

1120
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is a wide receiver at the next level.

1121
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: So Travis is like Genty, like Travis Hunter is Travis Hunter.

1122
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: He's not like my guy because it would be like

1123
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. So I'll go to talk about somebody You're

1124
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: gonna put the TEP tape on teach tape on, I'll

1125
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: go Matthew Golden. I'm to keep pounting the table for him.

1126
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: I understand the production is not there compared to your

1127
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: typical first round wide receiver. This is not your typical draft,

1128
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: and I just think he showed up big in the

1129
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: biggest games and I value that.

1130
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great route runner and he might be

1131
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: in in the doughnut as a deuce, and I have

1132
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: been calling it like right in between picks right four

1133
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: and thirty eight. But if you had to come up

1134
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: with the wide receiver for Josh McDaniels, like, Matthew Golden

1135
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: is kind of that kind of guy because he's a

1136
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: really good route runner and he's a smart round runner,

1137
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 3: is very technically sound, but he still has a ceiling

1138
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: to him because of his speed and the ball skills.

1139
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: So I like Matthew.

1140
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: Everybody likes very competitive, like he's I think he's wired right.

1141
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 3: So on day two, yeah, I think we're both going

1142
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 3: to say names that we both really liked. That we're

1143
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: both in contention for my guy. For me, at least,

1144
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 3: I won't speak for you.

1145
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: One x one slot.

1146
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 3: Uh No, I just had one Day two guy. Oh

1147
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 3: maybe maybe you could say, but no, I just feel

1148
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 3: like you're going to say a name and that I

1149
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 3: I almost said, anyways, Jayalen Noel is my guys. Oh okay,

1150
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: so maybe I'm surprised you.

1151
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: Thought I was gonna sayway I did? All right, Well,

1152
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: yeah those are the two.

1153
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was between those two. Yeah, you know,

1154
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: similar but different. You know, Jaylen Nowell I think is

1155
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: a pure zer, pure slot receiver. But I just I

1156
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: was blown away by his tape the first time through

1157
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 3: that I watched it. I was not expecting that kind

1158
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 3: of athlete or that kind of separator at the third

1159
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: level of the defense. I thought that this was going

1160
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: to be Lad mcconkee, reducs right, like a just a

1161
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: good crafty wide receiver. That's good route runner, that's heady,

1162
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: that's smart, that's tough. He is a lot of those things.

1163
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: But this is a guy that has true vertical stretch,

1164
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 3: like he has three level speed. He's very very fast.

1165
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: He's a great athlete. Tested through the roof, I think

1166
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: that took a lot of people by surprise. The you know,

1167
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 3: aris score that he put up and all that kind

1168
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 3: of stuff. He was fantastic throughout the whole process, great

1169
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl Week, great combine, great tape at o Iowa State,

1170
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: his final season. The only knock on Jalen Noel is

1171
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 3: that he's more of an inside guy, right, Like he's

1172
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: probably not going to give you the outside reps full.

1173
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 3: I still stick to Tyler Lockett as my com I

1174
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: still feel like that's the speed slot com for him.

1175
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 3: But I was close with Kyle Williams. I just wish

1176
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: that I had gotten to him earlier and kind of

1177
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 3: discovered him right to the hesitation that I had with

1178
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: Kyle Williams. And this is probably unfair, and this probably

1179
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: is just a was a me thing, not a himn thing.

1180
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 3: I just didn't come away from Senior Bowl Week with

1181
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: him circles like I didn't notice him as much as

1182
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 3: I wanted to notice him. You know, I noticed with

1183
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: strepbo for the wrong reasons, no offense. I noticed the

1184
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 3: tow Iowa State guys for.

1185
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: The right reasons.

1186
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: I just felt like I never saw Kyle Williams.

1187
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because he was like the last

1188
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: guy up on every rep. Maybe that was why you

1189
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: were like mentally checking. I'm telling you, I bet that's

1190
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: what it was. I bet that's what.

1191
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 3: I don't remember Kyle Williams being there.

1192
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: I'll beat you wouldn't know if you watched it on

1193
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: TV that kept cutting away from him. Again.

1194
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: I literally don't remember him being there.

1195
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: The honest knocks on Kyle Williams. For me, as big

1196
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: of a fan as I am, his an older prospect.

1197
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: He's a late breakout guy. He has kind of four

1198
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: years old right, twenty three years old. He was decent

1199
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Last year was the year that

1200
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: he really took off, and his numbers are insane. But

1201
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: this is a guy that can get open at all

1202
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: three levels, can create after the catch. He's probably a

1203
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: little bit of a higher floor, lower ceiling player, but

1204
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: I still think he's a decent ceiling. But I'll take

1205
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: the high floor for this team at this point. But

1206
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: with Noel like as much as I like Kyle Williams,

1207
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: you give Josh McDaniels Jalen Nowell and you put him

1208
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: in that Julian Edelman role with the pop he has

1209
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: after the catch. I just think that this ceiling there

1210
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: is tremendous. I really do. And I don't know if

1211
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: this is a hot take at this point or not

1212
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: specifically for the Patriots. I guess it could be different

1213
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: for different teams. I'll take Jalen Noel over Jaydon Higgins

1214
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: if they're debating between the Iowa State guys, Like Noel's

1215
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: higher on my list for them than Higgins is.

1216
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 3: So I have all three of these guys, you know

1217
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 3: that you mentioned Higgs and Higgins, like in one tier,

1218
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: I haven't Noel Higgins Kyle Williams, but like I have

1219
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 3: Noel over Higgins, and I'm surprised that that's not a

1220
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 3: more popular take. I just think Noel runs her out

1221
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: so a lot more urgency and a lot more dynamic movement, right,

1222
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: Like he's not an outside guy. Yeah, and maybe that's

1223
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: why people just like the size outside with Jayden Higgins.

1224
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: But Jayden Higgins does not play to a four four seven.

1225
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he just doesn't. He doesn't play that fast.

1226
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: And so you know, I thought he was gonna be

1227
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: a mid four fives guy. I thought if he ran

1228
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: a four or five to two, that was gonna be

1229
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 3: a great time for him. He ran a four four

1230
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: seven on a fast track. But I just I look

1231
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 3: at these two guys with Williams and Noel, their route

1232
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 3: running ability, their separation, it's different. I think Noel is

1233
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 3: a technician. I think Williams is a pure separation.

1234
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: Williams is that like he and he's not Travis Hunter.

1235
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: But like what you were talking about before, he just

1236
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: he it's not technical. He just gets open. Yeah, he

1237
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: reads it, well, he moves well all of that. One

1238
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: more day too, receiver before you move on. Yeah, now

1239
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: that you've actually watched, because we've talked about the sky

1240
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: a few times, but I don't think you had gotten

1241
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: him yet, at least not in depth. Saving on Williams.

1242
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: Where are you at with Savian?

1243
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 3: I love Save On Williams. I watched him in the

1244
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 3: in the first run. Interesting, I'm a big fan of

1245
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: Saveon Williams. It's gonna take some creativity, it's gonna take

1246
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: right the right fit in terms of the offensive coordinator

1247
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: to get the most out of him. Like if the

1248
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 3: forty nine ers took uh Save On Williams and turned

1249
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: him into Deebo Samuel like, he would be a problem.

1250
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's gotta be the comp absolute problem.

1251
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: I think Cordell Patterson's a decent as well in terms

1252
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 3: of that, but he's got a little bit more ball skills,

1253
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: I would say, then Cordero Patterson did.

1254
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1255
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: We were not into the draft yet with Patterson, but

1256
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: from well that was eighteen, right, Well that I mean

1257
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: when he was with the Patriots.

1258
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're right, yeah, why do I remember doing

1259
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: a draft show about Cordero Patterson?

1260
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 3: But Patterson I don't remember him having the contested catchability

1261
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 3: and the stuff that save On Williams puts on tape.

1262
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: But Cordero Patterson was probably a little bit faster in

1263
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: a straight line than Savion Williams. But Williams got juice,

1264
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 3: he's got size, he's got contested catchability. He's just not

1265
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: a great route runner, and he's got a lot of

1266
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 3: focus drops on tape. He's got way too many drops.

1267
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: But he's a fun, fun player, you know, if you

1268
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: have him in the right role, And maybe Josh McDaniels

1269
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: remembers Cordial Patterson in twenty eighteen and can kind of

1270
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 3: do the similar thing. I like Xavion Williams a lot.

1271
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: It's just this specific type of player.

1272
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: We might have to do early day three, late day

1273
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: three for vers.

1274
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: Okay, so, uh my late my day three guy, which

1275
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: was kind of a joke and then kind of also serious.

1276
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: Is it? Uh Thornton? Dante Thornton. No, it was close.

1277
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: He was on the short list. I'm coming around on

1278
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: Nante Thornton.

1279
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's do early day three and late so

1280
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: we can get to that. Ted Johnson, I still believe.

1281
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 3: I will not quit Tez Johnson, I will not quit.

1282
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: I will not quit.

1283
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 3: He's gonna. I think Dante Jordan Thornton is gonna get

1284
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: drafted later, uh than than Tess. I still think Ted

1285
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: is like a fourth round pick.

1286
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

1287
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: He's quick, not fast. We've confirmed that. Yes, he's tiny,

1288
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 3: I get that. Uh, he's quick, not fast. I still

1289
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: feel like he's Tank Dell, and I still feel like

1290
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 3: he is going to overcome all these doubts about him

1291
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 3: and have a nice NFL career. What he's gonna happen

1292
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 3: is exactly what's happened with Tank Dell. He's gonna get drafted,

1293
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 3: he's gonna have it awesome, like first eight weeks of

1294
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 3: his rookie season, and he's gonna tear every single ligament

1295
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 3: in his knee and that's gonna be it.

1296
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: For him the end of the year. And that's a

1297
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: good pick. No.

1298
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 3: I just think that he's a good football player and

1299
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: if he.

1300
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: Can stay healthy, good college football player.

1301
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 3: If he can stay healthy, and I know it's amazing

1302
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: major if, but if he can stay healthy, I think

1303
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: he's gonna be a good football player.

1304
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: My early day three guy, I could go to Dante

1305
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: Thornton kind of coming around. I think he'll go early

1306
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: day three. To me, he's like one seventy five and up.

1307
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a good Dante Thornton Colm for you.

1308
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So, but we haven't talked a lot about this guy.

1309
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna talk a lot about him

1310
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: throughout the draft, and we really haven't. I'm still believe

1311
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: in Tory Horton. Yeah, he got hurt this year. That

1312
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: hurt his stock. He probably should have transferred out of

1313
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: Colorado State. I respect him for not doing it, but

1314
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: he probably should have. He's a true X. He plays

1315
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: with some pop, he's hyper competitive. He's worth a flyer.

1316
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: To me, he's worth a flyer. You know it. It

1317
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Maybe one oh six is a little high, but maybe

1318
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: with one of those one forty picks, if he's still

1319
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: on the board, he'd probably need a trade and get

1320
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: into like the one twenties one thirties. I like Tory.

1321
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm not totally out on Tory Horton. I don't think

1322
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a top one hundred pick like he

1323
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: was projected to be, nor should he. But I'm not

1324
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: totally out on Tory Horton like some people are.

1325
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 3: I think, Okay, that's fair enough. Alright, let's get the

1326
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: Dante Thorton who was on my list, Yeah, a short list.

1327
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 3: I think it was between him and Tes Johnson, but

1328
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 3: I wanted to get the Tes Johnson, uh Shenanigans in there.

1329
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: Dante Thorton is the Joe Milton of wide receivers.

1330
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: No, Savian Williams is the Joe No, I've made this comparison.

1331
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: Williams an interesting player in the draft.

1332
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 3: Save On Williams is way more refined as a receiver

1333
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: than Joe Milton.

1334
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: But he's the most interesting player in the draft. That's

1335
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: Dante Thorpon beside Travis Hunter. Is Joe Milton of wide receivers.

1336
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: Explain it.

1337
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 3: He has all of the tools, Like, if you wanted

1338
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 3: to program a wide receiver in a lab, it would

1339
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 3: be Dante Thornton. But he's not actually very good at football.

1340
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: All right, So this is that he's good at all

1341
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: the individual things you need to be good at football.

1342
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: He's not good at football.

1343
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: He's got legitimate breakaway speed, like not not like, oh,

1344
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 3: he just runs a good forty breakaway speed. He has

1345
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 3: a legitimate NFL you know, football speed play speed. He's

1346
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 3: six foot four, two and five pounds. He's not Taekwon Thornton.

1347
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: He's not one hundred and eighty pounds soaking wet. He's

1348
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 3: got size.

1349
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: He's got speed laterally better than Thornton can. Can he

1350
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: get over them? No? All right, well that's a skill.

1351
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 3: But he My point is is that there's a ton

1352
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: of raw talent with this player. He played at Tennessee,

1353
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 3: so that also fits a little bit true. He has

1354
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: a Waukee offense just like Joe Milton did at Tennessee.

1355
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 3: He runs like three routes. He runs a shallow, he

1356
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: runs an in or it under or a slant, and

1357
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 3: he runs a go like that's it. That's his entire route.

1358
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 3: Tree are slants and go balls in the in the occasion,

1359
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 3: you know, a hitch route as well.

1360
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, so those are his four routes.

1361
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 3: But he takes a slant, you know, he takes a

1362
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 3: five step slam, a glance route, skinny post and he

1363
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 3: takes that thing eighty yards to the house when you

1364
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: hit him in stride with it. And there's only so

1365
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 3: many people on planet Earth can do that, just like

1366
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 3: there's only so many people that can throw the ball

1367
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 3: as far in as heard as Joe Milton. There's only

1368
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 3: so many people that run as fast as as Dante Thornton.

1369
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: Look if he can, if the plan is to bring

1370
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: him in and have him be like tamere Bird, Nelson

1371
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: Agilor just running go routes on the side to keep

1372
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: other teams honest, and you're getting him at like one

1373
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: forty something in yeah, and we got it, not not

1374
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: above me, get not above that. And I don't think

1375
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: that he solves any long term issues at Receiver, but

1376
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: for this year where they don't have a true X

1377
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,439
Speaker 1: and they don't have a lot of speed, you want

1378
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: somebody to keep teams on again, Uh to mere Bird,

1379
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: that's the comp and de mere Bird was just kind

1380
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: of out there to keep teams. He's much bigger, but

1381
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: role wise wise, right, Nelson aguil Or that role and

1382
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: he's doing it with more size and maybe run a

1383
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: couple of rounds to him, fine in.

1384
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he that that. That's the take with Thornton though,

1385
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 3: because I think a lot of people, first of all,

1386
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 3: like I want to hang on.

1387
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: If they draft a tall, fast guy named Thornton, you

1388
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: know what it takes. He's not saying they're right, but

1389
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen.

1390
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 3: He's Dante Smith from now on, because I don't want

1391
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: to hear about the stupid thing about his last name.

1392
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 3: But I'm just picked a generic last name because all

1393
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: you people are making such a big deal out of

1394
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 3: the fact that his last.

1395
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: Name is Thornton.

1396
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 3: Again, Thornton's crazy. He's like twenty five pounds heavier than

1397
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 3: Taekwan Thornton.

1398
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: Like, he's like, look, you're not wrong, they're different players,

1399
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be objectively funny.

1400
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 3: He to me is like late round fire DK metcalf Right,

1401
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 3: Like he's He's obviously not DK.

1402
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: Meckis just twitched up, big.

1403
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 3: Fast, big explosives outside of Joe Milton comp I don't

1404
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 3: hate Oh no, it's he's it's still saving Williams. No,

1405
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 3: it's definitely not all right. Let's get the tight ends.

1406
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 3: Ago Wall late late day three Okay, I thought we're

1407
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: doing Dante Thorton.

1408
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, that was like in the middle. No. I

1409
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: have one more guy that's not getting talked about enough. Okay,

1410
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: and I've talked about a lot on Patriots pet I

1411
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: haven't talked a lot about him. Here, Isaac Taslot from Arkansas.

1412
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's getting some buddy.

1413
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: So another guy, big six four two twelve, great straight

1414
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: line speed, excellent job tracking the ball. Sounds like an

1415
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: X right. Yeah, he almost exclusively plays the slot, so

1416
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to teach him to do some more

1417
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: things underneath. But he's good down the field, he brings

1418
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 1: good speed, he's great on special teams. This is again

1419
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 1: a late later pick, one of those one seventy picks. Right,

1420
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: if you can develop his underneath game, you're talking about

1421
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: a guy who profiles profiles. Now the mental side of it.

1422
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: This other guy had in leaps and bounds, so that

1423
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: would have to catch up profiles like a faster Jakobe Myers.

1424
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some work for him to get there,

1425
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: but that's kind of what the path would be for

1426
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: me for Isaac to sloth. And he's gonna be really

1427
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: good on special teams. I got a com Okay, Andre

1428
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: Yoshivas with the Bengals. I think he's faster, but that's

1429
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: not a bad comp Yeah, that's what I saw. I

1430
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: think he's maybe I'm underrating how fast Yoshavas.

1431
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 3: Is, but yeah, Yoshavas is like a big slot that

1432
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 3: can stretch the field vertically up the seam. You know,

1433
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 3: he's not going to run by people on the outside,

1434
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: but he has enough juice to do it inside.

1435
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: Uh.

1436
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 3: That was that was sort of what I saw. Uh

1437
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,479
Speaker 3: with Tesla, I think you're right though, he's he's picking

1438
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 3: up some steaks, and.

1439
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: You know what if you get that guy and he

1440
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: ends up in the one seventies and he ends up

1441
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: being your third wide receiver. Again, this isn't the guy

1442
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: that's going to solve all their wide receiver problems. Yeah,

1443
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm just looking up. So Yoshavas he has sixt three

1444
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: two O five. He ran a four to fourth He

1445
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: ran a four to fourth three. Okay, reduce to slot.

1446
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: Literally ran a four to four three? Did you pull

1447
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: that off? Off? Mock draftable? I mean, you know, did

1448
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: you I do? I did? Okay, I do my homework, Yeah,

1449
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: you did? I do my homework. Six three two five

1450
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: versus six four two fourteen for uh tesla.

1451
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 3: Okay, yep, there's your comp All right, let's get to

1452
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 3: the phones and then we'll come back to the rest

1453
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 3: of the positions because we still got a little ways

1454
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 3: to go, and these people have been waiting online for

1455
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 3: on hold, I should say for a while. Patty is

1456
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 3: an agu on what's up?

1457
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: Patty?

1458
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 5: What is gentlemen?

1459
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: So how we doing?

1460
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 5: I'm doing good? So I just want to I just

1461
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 5: want to make it clear, like I'm on record thinking

1462
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 5: that Hunter and Carter are gonna be gone by the

1463
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 5: time we pick, and I'm all in on Will Campbell

1464
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 5: if that's gonna be the pick at for if we

1465
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 5: can't move down. Actually, I don't like the I don't

1466
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 5: like the thought of moving down because I think we

1467
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 5: might miss out and I don't mind Jalen Walker, like

1468
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 5: if we do move down and miss Will Campbell. But

1469
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 5: I just wanted to read you guys a couple just

1470
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 5: a couple of things real quick. And this is from

1471
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 5: why It Brooks sec Scout. The tape shows that technically

1472
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 5: or fine blocker who's ready to start from day one

1473
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 5: at tackle, not not guard tackle, and like at the

1474
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 5: end of his breakdown, and I got this at NFL

1475
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 5: draft blows dot com. So the very the very last

1476
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 5: paragraph he rights after studying the film, moving Campbell inside

1477
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 5: would be a mistake. Despite this, shorter arms, the exceptional technique,

1478
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 5: recovery ability, demand a shot at tackle. And I know

1479
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 5: that's just one man's opinion, and we're kind of getting

1480
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 5: you know, some people that are sitting on the fence.

1481
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 5: And then you got guys like Daniel Jeremiah who says, yeah,

1482
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 5: plant tackle. The short arms don't like really pose a

1483
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 5: threat or like a concern to me. And really before, Evan,

1484
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 5: you said this weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago,

1485
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 5: and you brought it up last week too, Like there's

1486
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 5: never been a discussion about wingspan until this year. You know,

1487
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 5: this prospect why why, you know, why is the big picture?

1488
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 4: I'm not seeing it?

1489
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 5: You know, why why is all this craft coming out now?

1490
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 5: And you know, I think if we get him Noel,

1491
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 5: I've you know, I've said this on PU Evan, Noel's

1492
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 5: my guy. I want him in the second round. If

1493
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 5: we can get those two guys and possibly Mason Taylor

1494
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 5: on day on day two, I'll walk away from this

1495
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 5: draft a happy man, that is, with the caveat of

1496
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 5: Hunter and Carter gone. And last night I want to

1497
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 5: touch on Alex Yep little Quick none, your co host

1498
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 5: on PEB. If he ever starts his own podcast, I

1499
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 5: think he should call it Hindsight or Patriots hind Site.

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01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,799
Speaker 3: That's it, is that, Brian?

1501
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? Nice? Nice? Uh?

1502
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, the Carter thing with wingspan

1503
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 3: or Campbell so many names.

1504
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

1505
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 3: The Campbell thing with wingspan is brought up because it's

1506
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: such an outlier, right Like if it wasn't such a

1507
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,839
Speaker 3: major outlier, you know of mock draft, uh, mock draftible

1508
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 3: had another tackle that was in the same you know,

1509
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 3: stratosphere as him in terms of our of wingspan, then

1510
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 3: we wouldn't be talking about it as much.

1511
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: But it is.

1512
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 3: And I think that the number one thing that I

1513
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 3: keep coming back to with Will Campbell, I've been you know,

1514
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 3: pretty consistent other than the stupid combine, I've been pretty

1515
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 3: consistent about about about him playing at tackle and sticking

1516
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 3: at tackle. And I think the one thing that I

1517
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 3: would just say about it is that is he going

1518
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 3: to be Jonathan Ogden? Is he going to be Orlando Pace?

1519
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: No?

1520
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 3: No, he's not going to be one of those types

1521
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 3: of guys. But what, in my opinion, he's going to

1522
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 3: be is a very solid NFL left tackle for the

1523
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 3: future for a long term. And in this draft, in

1524
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 3: this level of talent class, that's a good.

1525
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: Pick, and that's a good pick at that.

1526
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 3: Position because he is, uh, you know, a comp that

1527
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 3: I came up with recently I liked a little bit better,

1528
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 3: you know, like a Jake Matthews type. Jake Matthews is

1529
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 3: not a future Hall of Famer, he's not a ever

1530
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 3: been like a multi time All Pro or anything like that.

1531
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,919
Speaker 3: But he's been a quality starter for like a decade

1532
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: in Atlanta and the Falcons have not thought twice about

1533
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 3: left tackle since the day that they drafted him, And that,

1534
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 3: to me is is all you're looking for in this

1535
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 3: kind of draft, and I think that Will Campbell can

1536
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 3: be that.

1537
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: At that position where there's there's not enough think about

1538
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: it this way, there's not enough human beings on the

1539
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: planet needed to fully staff the NFL for left tackle. Yeah,

1540
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: they're just aren't. So if you get a guy that

1541
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: can do it for eight to ten years at least,

1542
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: who is of that level, maybe not above it, but

1543
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: of that level, that's a win in this draft especially,

1544
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: that's a win. I told Nate Solder Matt Light like,

1545
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: just guys that you're not gonna talk about replacing them.

1546
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: He's there, he's good. Set it and forget it. You

1547
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: move on. You can build the rest of the team.

1548
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: It's been seven years they've trying to been trying to

1549
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: find a guy to play there. They have a guy,

1550
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: and they did before, but they have a guy now too.

1551
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: They really need to protect. Yeah, it's yeah, just get them,

1552
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: Just just get them and we can stop work about this.

1553
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 3: So I've been looking around for a comfort for Campbell

1554
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 3: for a while.

1555
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: It's Jake Matthews.

1556
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 3: It is Jake Matthews. Is what I'm settled on. And

1557
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 3: I'll pull up the number because Jake Matthews. It wasn't

1558
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 3: quite Will Campbell short in terms of wingspan, but his

1559
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 3: wingspan was also under under eighty inches, right, So he

1560
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 3: was on the shorter side in terms of wingspan, on

1561
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 3: the shorter side in terms of armlane. He's been in

1562
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 3: the league for eleven years, he's made one Pro Bowl.

1563
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 3: So this is not this is not Jonathan Ogden, right, like,

1564
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 3: this is not Joe Thomas. This is not an all

1565
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 3: time great player at the position. But again, for eleven years,

1566
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons have not thought about who's our left tackle. Right,

1567
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 3: they know who their left tackle is. And if that's

1568
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 3: what Will Campbell ends up being, then I'm perfectly fine

1569
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 3: with that. I said earlier that you know, something that's

1570
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 3: irking me is with Travis Hunter and the rawness and

1571
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 3: the unpolished receiver label that he's getting. Something that is

1572
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 3: irking me right now about the Will Campbell discourse is well,

1573
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 3: he's not Jonathan Ogden or Joe Thomas, and you don't

1574
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 3: you know that's what you want if you're drafting at four.

1575
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: Cool, if that guy was in the raft, I'll tell

1576
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: you to take him right.

1577
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 3: It was great to want things right. That's not the

1578
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 3: talent pool that we're working with. It's irrelevant that he's

1579
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 3: not that kind of pross just as a hole across

1580
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 3: the board like, well he's not.

1581
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: And you hear it with him, You hear it with

1582
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: with Keat McMillan, you hear it with Mason Graham. You

1583
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: hear what the lot he said. If he's not really

1584
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: what you want at the fourth overall pick, Yeah, if

1585
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: Malik Neighbors was in this draft, I'd be pounding the

1586
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: table for them to take him it for right, I

1587
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: would that guy doesn't exist. If you can trade down, great,

1588
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: but if you can't. Once again, you can't just tell

1589
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell Pencilson for next year, right, we're gonna we're

1590
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: gonna pass, We're gonna take up. But you can't. You

1591
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: got it. You can only pick from the players who

1592
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: are available. Right. That's and yeah, it sucks that that

1593
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: they're picking high in a crucial year and a year

1594
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: where the draft isn't great. That sucks. You can't. It's

1595
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: not mad and where you can go load in another

1596
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: draft file. This is what it is.

1597
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 3: I don't really understand that reference, but mad for it.

1598
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: Like, you can upload custom draft, but you can either

1599
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: have it generate one for you, or you can upload

1600
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: custom ones. So some people if they're doing a franchise

1601
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: and like the custom draft isn't good, you can have it.

1602
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: You can either upload one somebody made or just have

1603
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: it create a new one. You obviously can't do that.

1604
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 3: So you can just say you can. You can create

1605
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 3: a new one that has like all ninety.

1606
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: Nine if you want or won this year lady. But yeah,

1607
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: but then what's the fun in it? All? Right?

1608
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 3: Kendall is in North Carolina? What's up, Kendall?

1609
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 5: Hey, how you guys doing good?

1610
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: Hey?

1611
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 6: Yes, just but both of y' all want to know

1612
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 6: what's y'all good feeling right now? I'll have the first

1613
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 6: three picks to go. And my second question is we

1614
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 6: visit with a wide receiver today from Auburn. I got

1615
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 6: his name or y'all familiar with it, and I'll take

1616
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 6: it up there. I appreciate it.

1617
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, Kendall. My gut feeling right now

1618
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 3: on one two three. Ward Carter Hunter same, that's my

1619
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 3: gut feeling. I don't totally buy into, you know, the

1620
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 3: thing we spent the first twenty minutes of the show

1621
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 3: talking about with Abdual Carter falling in this draft. I

1622
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 3: don't totally buy into that totally yet. If it's not

1623
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 3: Ward Carter Hunter LB, Ward Hunter Carter, I think those

1624
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,799
Speaker 3: three guys are the first three picks in the draft.

1625
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 3: I do not think the Browns are the Giants. Are

1626
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 3: anny get duped by drafting quarterback, you know, with Shador

1627
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 3: I think at this point everybody says people get silly

1628
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 3: with quarterbacks, you know, they use Pennix and bo Nick's

1629
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 3: going higher than expected last year. I almost think at

1630
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: this point that the Browns and the Giants need to

1631
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 3: look They feel like they might look sparterer by passing

1632
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 3: on Shadore than taking Shador because if they take Shadoor,

1633
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 3: everybody's gonna be It's gonna be Daniel Jones right like

1634
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 3: it's on draft night. Everybody's gonna be like, what are

1635
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 3: this is a bad pick?

1636
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing?

1637
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 5: Right?

1638
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 3: They might end up being right in three years, but

1639
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 3: like Brian Dable and Joe Shane aren't gonna be there

1640
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 3: in three years to be right about it, like they're

1641
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 3: gonna be out. So I just wonder if maybe, you know,

1642
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 3: they end up just passing. There's a lot of buzz

1643
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 3: right now on those two teams, specifically, you know, doing

1644
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 3: their homework on Jackson Dart, doing their homework on Jalen Milrow,

1645
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 3: doing their homework on Will Howard. You know, those guys

1646
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 3: are all been in thirty visits in all those places too,

1647
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 3: And I wonder if they're one or both of those

1648
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 3: teams is gonna say, let's just get the guy at

1649
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 3: the top of the second around. You know, let's try

1650
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 3: Will Levis Right. It doesn't worked out, but it's a

1651
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 3: you're thrown a dart and let's just try something else,

1652
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 3: all right.

1653
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: Also, the guy they met with projected late day three

1654
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: picks fast guy from Auburn.

1655
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot, there's a lot of that.

1656
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 3: Remember Anthony Schwartz.

1657
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: Oh you you were big on Anthony Schwartz.

1658
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 3: Sast guy from Auburn. Yeah, all right, Brad is in Ohio.

1659
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 3: It's up, Brad.

1660
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 7: Hey you doing guys? Hey talk.

1661
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 2: A couple of quick days. I want to run by

1662
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 2: the players, and he looked into them.

1663
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 8: I'll just spit some out.

1664
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: First of all, the cornerback cast and found three ms

1665
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 2: birk and then a defensive tax was getting west from

1666
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: Indiana and then running back my first pick. He's I've

1667
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 2: gotten slower running backs like John from Iowa just because

1668
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: I watched him play, and I would like hand junk

1669
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 2: and from you from the state and tell me he's gonna.

1670
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 9: Be a.

1671
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: Brad.

1672
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 3: I got sorry there, Brad, if you want to email us.

1673
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 3: In the names, I heard some of them. I think

1674
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 3: he was mentioned Denzel Burke from all.

1675
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: So Denzel Burke's really interesting one.

1676
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of one of those guys that kind

1677
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 3: of reminded me of like Sean Wade's career arc right

1678
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 3: where there was a lot of hype for him and

1679
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 3: then he didn't have the year that the people were

1680
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 3: expecting last year. The only thing that I you know,

1681
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 3: I I did watch him, and the only thing that

1682
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 3: I had a little bit of concerns about was was

1683
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 3: top end speed, Like, I don't know if he's Yeah,

1684
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's quite the fastest guy on

1685
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 3: the outside.

1686
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: I had a lot of penalties too.

1687
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that might have been because of that,

1688
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 3: you know, him grabbing and him getting a little bit antsy.

1689
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 3: But uh, he he's well versed in different coverages, certainly

1690
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 3: seen a lot of really good competition over the years.

1691
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,879
Speaker 3: He's kind of a solid guy. I just wouldn't necessarily

1692
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 3: say that he's got a highest ceiling. He's probably more

1693
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 3: of a floor.

1694
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: So I think it's the opposite. He's one of these

1695
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 1: guys like Bill would have drafted him. Bill absolutely, because

1696
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: one of the things that Patriots would do on Day three,

1697
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: they drafted a couple guys like this. They would go

1698
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: find and this Honestly, this kind of player is gonna

1699
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 1: sort of become extinct in the draft because of the

1700
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: transfer portal. They would go find the guys that were

1701
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: high ranked recruits where it didn't work out in college

1702
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: for one reason or another and see if they could

1703
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: tap into that. Denzel Burke was a four star recruit

1704
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: ninety one composite graded at twenty four to seven, and

1705
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: he had a really good first couple of years and

1706
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be like a first round pick,

1707
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: and then in the last year and a half it

1708
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: kind of fell off and he had a really bad

1709
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: year last year. So he's a guy to me you

1710
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: take kind of banking on or looking to, all, right, well,

1711
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: what went wrong last year and is it something we

1712
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: can fix and can we get him back on track

1713
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: to where he was supposed to be. I don't know

1714
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: how very Bolt necessarily feels about those players. Like I'm

1715
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: not saying he's off the Patriots board, Yeah, I don't.

1716
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: It's more a thing where like if it was Bill,

1717
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: I think it's he's somebody we would have talked about

1718
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: a lot more. But he's a really interesting one. Yeah,

1719
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: because he he was I think he was a projected

1720
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: first round pick a year ago.

1721
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 3: I feel like you just you just described Sean Waite

1722
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 3: like that, like like Sean Wade was really similar to me.

1723
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 4: You know.

1724
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: I also had who was the defensive lineman from Auburn

1725
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: who he went to Florida State and they just ruined him.

1726
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,560
Speaker 1: And then hear No from Maryland. He transferred around to

1727
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: Byron Coward. Byron Coward was the number one recruit in

1728
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: the country, and he forget the order was a Maryland

1729
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: he was at Florida State, he was at Auburn, but

1730
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: like it just the schools he was at did not

1731
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: know how to use him. They turn him from a

1732
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: stand up edge rusher into a nose tackle and Bill

1733
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: drafted him and it was just like, well, let's see

1734
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: what's there. Yeah, So Denzel Burk's not as extreme of

1735
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: the case. I think Coward was the number one recruit

1736
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: in the country, but it's it's a similar sort of thing.

1737
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 3: Do you remember when Bill dunked on me about Byron Cower? No,

1738
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 3: I still I still remember that to this day. I

1739
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 3: forget these are there's certain like little things that happened

1740
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 3: to me when when I got you know, belichicked early

1741
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 3: on in my my beat career, and that one like

1742
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 3: it kind of sticks with you, right, like you kind

1743
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 3: of remember these things. I misspoke and I said that

1744
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 3: Coward was like a run player when he was a

1745
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 3: pass player, or a pass player when he was a

1746
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 3: run player. It just like I obviously got my my

1747
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 3: wires crossed, and.

1748
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: Bill just roasted me. Bill was just like I think.

1749
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 3: I said, like, you know, you guys have talked about

1750
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 3: him being this and it was totally off. And Bill

1751
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 3: was like, I talked about that, Like.

1752
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:38,919
Speaker 1: I remember that.

1753
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 3: I didn't say that. Yeah, oh god, was I embarrassed

1754
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 3: to work. I thought they might have had something.

1755
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1756
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 3: I those types of things stick with you, all right

1757
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 3: before we get back to the phone. So let let's

1758
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 3: try to finish up my guys, because we we we

1759
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 3: got bobbed down there a little bit with some of these.

1760
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: Coward is still in the league. Good for him. He's

1761
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 1: on the Jets.

1762
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like he'll kick it.

1763
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: Still hanging around.

1764
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 3: So we're at tight end, quarterback, running back, receiver, Day one,

1765
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 3: Day two, Day three, tight ends. Day one tight End.

1766
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 3: I put down Colson Lovelan. I just I love Colson

1767
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 3: Lovelyn's tape. I think that it's a risk, sample size risk.

1768
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 3: You know, he got injured, he doesn't have a ton

1769
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 3: of volume to stats. But you watch the tape man

1770
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 3: and he's the closest thing to Brock Bauers in this draft,

1771
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 3: like in terms of explosiveness and dynamic route running ability

1772
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 3: and just a real uh he just plays at a

1773
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 3: different speed and other people really pops off the tape

1774
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 3: like that. You know, Tyler Warren's more well rounded. He is,

1775
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 3: you know, more productive in college, a little bit of

1776
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 3: a cleaner prospect, a cleaner evaluation, which is why I

1777
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 3: assume he'll go ahead of Loveland. The Patriots are not

1778
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 3: in a position to risk it on a guy like Loveland.

1779
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 3: So that's why I don't even think I'm gonna have

1780
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 3: him in my top fifty because of that. But I

1781
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 3: think that he's going to be a good NFL player.

1782
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: I just don't know if you're you have that margin for.

1783
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:56,560
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do kind of what you did with

1784
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: the running backs. Call it top forty, maybe not first round. Yeah,

1785
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm seeing Mason Taylor projected in the sixties. What are

1786
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 1: we doing. I think he's gonna go much higher than

1787
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: people think. I don't know that he sneaks into the

1788
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: first round. Does he sneak into the top forty, I

1789
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: could see it. He's clearly the third best tight end

1790
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 1: in this draft. Copycat league. People are gonna want their

1791
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: their brock Bowers and stylistically is a different player, but

1792
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: just that rookie upstart tight end. And we talked about this,

1793
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: I think last week. Part of what made brock Bauer

1794
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: is so impressive was tight end is generally a longer

1795
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: developing position. There's so few tight ends that are impact

1796
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: players as rookies. Mason Taylor's young, but he's so polished

1797
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 1: for his age. It really stands out that I think

1798
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: he's a guy that can come in and contribute year one.

1799
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 1: If you're mocking Mason Taylor to the Patriots at sixty nine,

1800
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: I think you're kidding yourself. He's a top fifty pick

1801
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: to me at least, and I think he might even

1802
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 1: sneak up higher than that.

1803
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 3: Young too, right like twenty right now, he'll be twenty

1804
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 3: one as a rookie.

1805
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: Early breakout ton of runway to go.

1806
01:22:55,800 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, really high upside player, really fast and straight line

1807
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 3: and you know, stretch the field vertically and horizontally. You know,

1808
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 3: slide routes, you know, dumpops in the flat, he can

1809
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 3: turn those into big plays. I think he's got some

1810
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 3: route running, you know, technique stuff that he's got to

1811
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 3: work on to be able to win a little bit

1812
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 3: more on angular routes. You know, I don't think he's

1813
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 3: gonna you see a ton of like, you know, real angles,

1814
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 3: you know, slants, digs, you know that type of stuff

1815
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 3: with it on his tape. But once he gets to

1816
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 3: that point, maybe you know, he kind of excels at

1817
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 3: that a little bit more. I just I look at

1818
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 3: him right now, I see a little bit of Tucker Craft,

1819
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 3: Like I see that you know, straight line speed and

1820
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 3: the gimmicky speed on the scheme touches and things like that.

1821
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 3: But I think that he has a ceiling that's much higher,

1822
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 3: like maybe even like a Sam Laporta like level ceiling

1823
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 3: once he gets into the league. I'm with you on

1824
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 3: Mason Taylor. My day two guy other than Taylor, who

1825
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 3: I think you know will be early day two. I

1826
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 3: really like Terrence Ferguson from Oregon. I just feel like

1827
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 3: he didn't really get a chance to show off all

1828
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 3: the things that he can do down the field. He

1829
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 3: was kind of there their dump off security blanket, like,

1830
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 3: you know, kinda near the line of scrimmage kind of

1831
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 3: guy doesn't have a high average depth of target, you know,

1832
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 3: find some soft spots over the middle, you know that

1833
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 3: sort of thing. But I think there's some untapped potential

1834
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 3: there in terms of running seams and verticals, and he'll

1835
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 3: maybe do that a little bit more at the other level,

1836
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 3: at the next level the other guy, because I like

1837
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 3: both of them kind of equally. Gunner Helm, Like, I

1838
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 3: think gunner Helm is being slept on. He should not, right,

1839
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 3: he ran that forty and like throw the forty out

1840
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 3: like it doesn't exist, Like it is irrelevant that on

1841
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 3: a you know, a torn ankle, he ran a bad forty,

1842
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't. It's not

1843
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,560
Speaker 3: going to impact his NFL stays. He reminds me of

1844
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry a lot, Like I think that, yeah, I

1845
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 3: have really similar players. I just think that he's gonna

1846
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 3: be a quarterback's best friend. He's gonna find the soft

1847
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 3: spots over the middle of the field. He's gonna be

1848
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 3: quarterback friendly. He's gonna have great hands, he's gonna have

1849
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 3: great reliability, he's gonna be able to block. You know,

1850
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to be a great blocker,

1851
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 3: but he'll be a solid, you know, adequate NFL blocker

1852
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 3: in line. If I had to pick anybody out of

1853
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 3: this class on day two, I think it would be

1854
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 3: Gunner Helm.

1855
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Those are my two guys kind of in that

1856
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: range and not as high on Fannin for the Patriots.

1857
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: Arroyo is like fine, doesn't again not necessarily a Patriots

1858
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: fit for me. Yeah, Day three though, there's some interesting ones.

1859
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 3: All right, give me your day three.

1860
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: Okay, So my guy for day three is Mitchell Evans. Yeah.

1861
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna come in be the best blocking

1862
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: tight end right away, and he has the upside to

1863
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: be a plus receiver, but you have a year or

1864
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: two to kind of get him there. Behind certainly behind

1865
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper is the second tight end, and then you

1866
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: hope eventually he takes over for Hunter Henry as your

1867
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: starting tight end. So I've kind of been on Mitchell

1868
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: Evans for a while. I think he's a good fit

1869
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: for them. I also, because we're doing tight ends slash fullbacks,

1870
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: I got to bring up robbi Oots here. I really

1871
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: want him to bring in Robbie Oots kind of hybrid

1872
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: between I've settled on my com for him. He's halfway

1873
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: between Kyle used Check and Patrick McCard.

1874
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 3: You can never just give a comp like just give

1875
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 3: a straight comp. But he's not.

1876
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: He's not as athletic as you used chat and he's

1877
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: not as big as a card.

1878
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 3: He's like somewhere in the middle. So who's that wrong? No,

1879
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 3: but there's a guy on the Chargers.

1880
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: Oh, well, Matt Locke. He also doesn't play defense.

1881
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 3: He's like three hundred pounds.

1882
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: He might be able to say. I think he's bigger too.

1883
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 3: There's another guy though. I look up the Chargers in

1884
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 3: the second there's it. They have Matt Locke, but they

1885
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 3: have another guy too, who's like the same kind of guy,

1886
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 3: because like the Hardbuzz have to have like seventeen of

1887
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 3: the same kind of Yeah, I feel I feel like

1888
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 3: maybe that's your Robbie utz Khan.

1889
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: But I want I want Robbiots on the Patriots. Okay,

1890
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: so help me with his last name? No idea who

1891
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: McCallan Castles? No? Uh?

1892
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 3: Is it CJ.

1893
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 1: Dipp I think it's Drippy. I think Drippy from Alabama?

1894
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 3: Uh, just looking late Day three, you know, six seventh

1895
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 3: round guy. But if you want a blocking tight end,

1896
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 3: like just a guy that's gonna be able to come

1897
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 3: in and be a third tight end and block really

1898
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 3: well in line. Uh CJ Depri was the most impressive guy.

1899
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 3: I saw him more than Jackson Hawes.

1900
01:26:59,720 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1901
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 3: I really like to pre Hawse. I think has a

1902
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 3: little bit more of a receiving upside, and it's probably

1903
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 3: gonna go a little earlier, it would be my guest.

1904
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 3: But if you're really looking for, like this is a

1905
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 3: we know what he's gonna be. He's just gonna come

1906
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 3: in and block on red zone and goal line and

1907
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 3: short yarded situations, being a third tight end in the

1908
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:20,879
Speaker 3: league for a long time because he's a great blocker.

1909
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 3: I think Dupre's here's a comp for you.

1910
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: It's simple compa Lee Smith. Sure you remember Lee Smith?

1911
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1912
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lea Smith. He was the the only tight end

1913
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,560
Speaker 1: the Patriots drafted between Rob Gronky. They drafted Gronk and Hernandez.

1914
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: The next year they drafted Lee Smith, and they didn't

1915
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: drafted tight end for like ten years until they double

1916
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: dipped in whatever year that was. Did you get a

1917
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: chance to watch Roonda Gadson.

1918
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 3: No, I got to do all the rest of the

1919
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 3: tight ends. That's that's my I'm still curious thought.

1920
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: That's one of my last bails to go into the bar,

1921
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: is it. See? I just go in order. I go

1922
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 1: in like I call it alphabetical order. It's not alphabetical order,

1923
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:54,799
Speaker 1: but like the order that positions have always been listed

1924
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 1: in since at the beginning of time.

1925
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 3: I try to go in order of the draft board.

1926
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1927
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 3: So because of all the content that we do surrounding

1928
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 3: the draft, like knowing the top one hundred is really

1929
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 3: what I got I need.

1930
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: To be able to ace, yeah, in.

1931
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 3: Terms of the draft. So I literally go through our

1932
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 3: the mock draft database. I put the consensus board up

1933
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 3: at each position, and anybody that's in the top one hundred,

1934
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 3: I just watch all ten of those go okay, and

1935
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 3: then I watched the next ten, and the next ten

1936
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 3: and the next I just do.

1937
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: I guess it's because like I kind of figure out

1938
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 1: the top one hundred guys just watching college football in

1939
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: the fall. So yeah, I'll go just position by position.

1940
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 3: All right, Uh, did you do tackle in into your up?

1941
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: All right?

1942
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 3: So I did tackleing into your offensive line? So day

1943
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 3: one tackle is Will Campbell. Like I it's I've been

1944
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 3: on Will Campbell since the beginning. I know that I

1945
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 3: got a little flaky there for a second, but I've

1946
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 3: been on Will Campbell since the beginning. I'm not going

1947
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 3: to come off it now. If the Patriots draft Will

1948
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 3: Campbell in two weeks, I will not be upset. I'll

1949
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 3: be happy. I'll feel good about it. I will think

1950
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 3: they gotta left tackle, so Will Campbell. You know, I

1951
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 3: don't have to go too deep into it. We've been

1952
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 3: over Will Campbell a thousand times. But if I have

1953
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 3: to pick a my guy on day one at tackled

1954
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 3: I can't. I gotta go with Will Campbell.

1955
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I had his middle name to hammer

1956
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 1: the point home. I don't. I was just looking. I

1957
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: can't find it. William Campbell sounds like a general all right.

1958
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: Day two, Day two. So I still don't think Ariante

1959
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: Airstory's gonna fallah. I don't so when I say this,

1960
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: not including Ariante Airstory in his group. It's Ozzy Trapilla.

1961
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: We have the same because he's he's swing tackle potential.

1962
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: Long term, he could be your starting right. I don't

1963
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: think he's gonna start on the left side in the NFL,

1964
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: But if you need him to pitch in there for

1965
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: a game or two, I think he can. But I

1966
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: think ideally he's your swing tackle this year, and then

1967
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: next year it's him Kane Wallace battling it out for

1968
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: the right or whenever Morgan Moses moves on year, two

1969
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: years whatever. So obviously not I'm excited for Morgano's but

1970
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: he's obviously not a young guy. Yeah, one of those

1971
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: two guys becomes your starting right time big oz.

1972
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 3: I think Ozzy Trapla is going to be a starting

1973
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 3: right tw tackle in the NFL, not before long. I

1974
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 3: think he's better than Cayden Wallace in terms of a prospect.

1975
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 3: You know, Cadan Wallas barely played last year. So like

1976
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 3: right now, if I had to take a bet on

1977
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 3: who would be a starting right tackle in the NFL,

1978
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 3: Caiden Wallace or Ozzie Trapillo, I'm taking Azzy but all day,

1979
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 3: and I just think he's really technically savvy, really good

1980
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 3: hand fighter. He's got great size at the position, great

1981
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 3: length at the position. I just feel like he's a

1982
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 3: very good prospect all around. Like I really feel very

1983
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 3: strongly about Trapillo being a good NFL player.

1984
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: He's probably right tackle.

1985
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 3: I would agree with that he maybe can play swing

1986
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 3: tackle early on in his career as the backup, your

1987
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 3: third tackle, swing tackle, whatever you want to call it.

1988
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 3: Maybe you let that happen for a year. You know,

1989
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 3: he develops underneath Morgan Moses for a year, year and

1990
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 3: a half, or whatever the case may be. As long

1991
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 3: as Moses can can go, you know, you let him go.

1992
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be opportunities. Although Moses has been

1993
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 3: really really durable, durable, it's not been perfect. You know,

1994
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 3: he's missed some games, you know.

1995
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Not the last couple of years. Yeah, it's never.

1996
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 3: It's never been major, like he's missing an entire season

1997
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 3: or half a season.

1998
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 1: You might need a game or two, might need a

1999
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: game or two.

2000
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 3: I think Trapillo could get some chances to play as

2001
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 3: a rookie that way, and I would take him on

2002
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 3: Day two of the draft them or probably in the

2003
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 3: double dip. You know, it would be ideal. My question

2004
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,879
Speaker 3: is is like how long can you wait on Trapillo?

2005
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 3: Like I think thirty eight is a little bit high,

2006
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 3: but I think sixty nine is really you're starting to

2007
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 3: talk about you gotta take them.

2008
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: I think it's sixty ninety be a good pick. I've

2009
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: said this like, I strongly believe that any players they

2010
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: take in the top one hundred, they need those guys

2011
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: to play this year, and they need those guys to

2012
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: contribute this year. The one exception I have to that

2013
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: rule for me, it's not there role. It's my rule.

2014
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 1: I guess rule isn't the right word. The one exception

2015
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: I have to that take for me is if they

2016
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: draft a right tackle to be in the pipeline to

2017
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: replace Morgan Moses. And I came up with that take

2018
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: basically around Ozy Tripillo. YEA, maybe they end up doing

2019
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: it with somebody else, maybe it's Anthony Belton, maybe it's

2020
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 1: Cameron Williams. But like that's why I have that that

2021
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 1: it's like a carve out for Ozzie Trapillo. That is

2022
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: the one guy I think I'd be comfortable with him

2023
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: taking the top one hundred who's not playing a significant

2024
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: role in twenty twenty five.

2025
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:11,799
Speaker 3: Agreed day three.

2026
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: So I think everybody expects me to say haul in

2027
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: Pierce because that's my kind of guy. He's huge, he's massive,

2028
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily great at football, but he hasn't he

2029
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: can't teach size. I'm actually gonna go away from that.

2030
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate Hall and Pierce, don't get me wrong.

2031
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: I just think Carson Vincent's getting slept on. Yeah. Now,

2032
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: he probably isn't a right tackle, and for a guy

2033
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: going that low, he's projected later day three, you kind

2034
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: of want some positional versatility, So he's an outlier there.

2035
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: I think he might be able to play some guard,

2036
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: which helps. But I think he's got he has the

2037
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: size and the sense that he's tall and long. I

2038
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 1: think he's only like three hundred and ten pounds, but

2039
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 1: he is. He can add to his frame like he

2040
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: can get up to three twenty I think relatively easily,

2041
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 1: and it won't impact him that much. Five year starter

2042
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: at Alabama A and M played well at the Senior Bowl,

2043
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 1: held his own against that higher level of competition, and

2044
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: he's just I think he's got the mentality down. It

2045
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: looks like a smart football player. Definitely plays with a

2046
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 1: lot of nastiness. He's older, he's coming from a smaller school.

2047
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't have that positional versatility. I think that's why

2048
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna go where he's going to go. But in

2049
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: a double dip because they might want a backup left

2050
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 1: tackle too if they're not sold on uh Vederian Lowe's

2051
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: the backup definitely. I think can be a backup left

2052
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL, and then you see just kind

2053
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: of what happens with him down the road. But a

2054
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: good backup left tackle is not nothing. And if you

2055
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 1: can get that guy, I certainly think you can get

2056
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: him at the one seventies. You might even be able

2057
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: to get him with that two twenty pick, depending on

2058
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,759
Speaker 1: how it goes. You get a backup left tackle there, great, awesome,

2059
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 1: solid pick. Yeah.

2060
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:41,839
Speaker 3: I really liked him at the Seapral.

2061
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: Everybody did.

2062
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 3: I mean he had that one spotlight drill in the

2063
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 3: middle of the field. Who did he go up against?

2064
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 3: It was a top one hundred rusher? Was Umin me

2065
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 3: Ellen or was it one of the text I think

2066
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 3: it's one of text Amain Stewart.

2067
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 1: It was an SEC guy.

2068
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah if shut him down, Yeah, yeah, you won the REP.

2069
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 3: So I do like him a little bit. I really

2070
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 3: like Jealen Rivers from Miami to another Senior Bowl guy

2071
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 3: that I thought stood ute. He could play, probably play

2072
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 3: inside as well, you know, played a little bit of

2073
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 3: both at Miami. It's weird the like com almost went

2074
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 3: like drive to drive with it at times where he

2075
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 3: played left tackle and left guard, and he would just

2076
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 3: kind of flip flop in and out, which was interesting.

2077
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 3: Uh So I think that long term, you know, he

2078
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 3: could play guard and be your starting left guard. I

2079
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 3: think you could also have him play you know, swing tackle,

2080
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 3: backup left tackle, that sort of thing as well. I

2081
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 3: just like his game. You know, big, big dude, good size,

2082
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 3: really good length. He has like thirty five inch arms

2083
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 3: and then a short tackle class at the Combine. He

2084
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 3: was like the one guy that measured in with long arm.

2085
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: He mentioned with thirty five of the combine. They're probably

2086
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: closer like thirty eight.

2087
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got freaking tree trunks. And I just think

2088
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 3: he's a big dude, moves people, great length, a little

2089
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 3: bit of positional versatility. I just think those are the

2090
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 3: types of guys that the league needs. You know, every

2091
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 3: team needs that kind of guy that has the functional

2092
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 3: strength the as your bulls in versatility. Like, yeah, he

2093
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 3: might not be you know, he's not going to go

2094
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 3: to you know, any all pro teams or Pro Bowls,

2095
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,759
Speaker 3: but those types of linemen can be really valuable.

2096
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Holland Pierce. I just need

2097
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 1: that real quick.

2098
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,679
Speaker 3: He's a raw ball clay. He's a big raw ball clay.

2099
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 3: I feel the same way, almost similar with him as

2100
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 3: I do with Anthony Belton. Like I think Anthony Belton

2101
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 3: is kind of three. Yeah, Anthony Belton, I feel like

2102
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 3: is getting a really hyped up in the in like

2103
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 3: the media boards and stuff like that for a guy

2104
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 3: that's got a long way to go and past.

2105
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: My ceiling cam for him is Trent Brown.

2106
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 3: That's he's got a lot of He's he's raw. He's raw.

2107
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 3: Anthony Belton. I'm surprised by how much Anthony you know,

2108
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 3: Belton buzz there is.

2109
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's usually the guy that I like that nobody

2110
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: else likes. And I'm wondering why he's not ranked higher.

2111
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: Now I'm like almost suspicious that everybody likes him, Like, yeah,

2112
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be my guy.

2113
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 3: All right, So we have a you have any guards

2114
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 3: or slash centers?

2115
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have some interior guys, all right.

2116
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 3: Day one grays Abel. I think Gray's Abel is going

2117
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 3: to be Joe Toney to point. Oh, I think he's

2118
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 3: going to be a really good football player. He's gonna

2119
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 3: play guard. I think he's gonna play left guard.

2120
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 1: I think Bruger Adam is a center and the Beast today.

2121
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's some center flex there. Yeah, and he

2122
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 3: did some center stuff at the comm at the Senior Bowl.

2123
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 3: Excuse me, but I think that guard's a little bit

2124
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 3: more valuable. I think he can play left guard at

2125
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 3: a really high level. He's going to pass protect at

2126
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 3: a really high level at that spot, be extremely athletic

2127
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 3: at that spot as well. But either interior spot, left

2128
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 3: guard or center, I could see grays Abel excelling at

2129
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 3: and I think there's a lot of value in that.

2130
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 3: Do you have any day one, guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna again approaching this from a Patriots point

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01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: of view. Yeah, and we I think we talked a

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01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 1: little bit about this last week. You know, we've talked

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Speaker 1: about tackle, trade up, receiver, receiver, trade up tackle, what

2135
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: about just hammering the offensive line? And some of this

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01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: take too is I think grays Abel might go too

2137
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 1: high for them to do this. Yeah, and I know

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01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,679
Speaker 1: he's a right guard. I would love to see them

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01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 1: Will Campbell trade up Tyler Booker. Yeah, that whole offensive

2140
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: line Campbell Booker, I guess, question Mark, but we you

2141
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 1: know you think you're at Bradberry, mike O and Lenu

2142
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: Morgan moses that that is a mean offensive line. You

2143
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 1: are gonna hate your life as a defensive linemen playing

2144
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 1: against those guys for sixty minutes. And yeah, it leads

2145
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 1: them short change in some other spots. But I think

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01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: Booker team captain at Alabama, tone setter. You know, played

2147
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: a couple he'll be a guard in the NFL, but

2148
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: he played some left guard for them, even played a

2149
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: little tackle for them. But just again, a guy that

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01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 1: sets the tone for the Alabama offensive line and didn't

2151
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 1: understand that not just his past year. You bring that

2152
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: guy in, you put him next to Will Campbell. Holy Molly,

2153
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of fun on the left

2154
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 1: side of the offensive line. I don't know that it's

2155
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: like my ultimate favorite thing that they would do, but

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01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 1: I would like sneaky love that. Oh I'd love it too.

2157
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 3: I've come around, not I never needed to.

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01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: If they did it was able, i'd be cool with

2159
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 1: it too. But I really like Tyler Booker.

2160
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Speaker 3: I didn't need to be sold on Tyler Booker, but

2161
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 3: I just didn't think he was gonna be there, but

2162
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 3: after the Combine and the fact the intestary.

2163
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: With DoD Combine. But I don't care like with.

2164
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 3: He's an interior offensive line right. But at the same time,

2165
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Speaker 3: you know, you know how teams are, and now Gray

2166
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:11,600
Speaker 3: Zabel might go ahead of him because he had a

2167
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 3: better pre draft process than Tyler Booker. Teams might overthink

2168
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 3: Tyler book Yeah, and I don't think it's totally out

2169
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,759
Speaker 3: of the question that a quote unquote unathletic guard falls

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Speaker 3: to thirty.

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01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: I even think of thirty eight. See, so I look

2172
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: at it. The Seahawks are at what eighteen, right, Yeah,

2173
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 1: and then the Texans are at twenty five. Those are

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Speaker 1: two clear guard teams. Yeah, so I could see them

2175
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 1: both going in the first round. But yeah, if Tyler

2176
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 1: Booker is there a thirty eight, you don't have to

2177
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: trade up for him, all the better.

2178
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,679
Speaker 3: So Seattle not Seattle tends to be uh in love

2179
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Speaker 3: with with the with the numbers, with the measurables. Casario

2180
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 3: and Houston makes a lot of sense, like Booker.

2181
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'sable at eighteen, I think is what I have

2182
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 1: in my last Monksable at eighteen Booker in twenty five.

2183
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,799
Speaker 3: They won't overthink Booker, like they won't overthink the combine

2184
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. You put Tyler Booker

2185
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 3: and Josh McDaniel's gap scheme like a downhill run Scham, Yeah,

2186
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 3: that's where happens.

2187
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 1: One.

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01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 3: I think that's the other thing with Booker. You know,

2189
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 3: there's so many uh you know, Kyle Shanahan inspired on

2190
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 3: outside zone teams. He's not an outside zone's offensive. He's

2191
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 3: a he's a gap downhill. Get him on a double team,

2192
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 3: have him pull, you know, like that's what he does.

2193
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Speaker 1: Imagine the Tyler Brook Booker White one on ones in camp.

2194
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Speaker 3: I just I think it's great too. Just the fit

2195
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 3: because Bradberry is a smaller center. Yeah, he's undersized, and

2196
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 3: he's you know, his play strength is a big concern.

2197
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 1: Or even if you're gonna try Cold Strange, there also applies.

2198
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 3: Right, So if you put Booker in on when WU

2199
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 3: on either side of Garrett Bradberry or Cold Strange, like

2200
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 3: you give them some some girth next to them, that

2201
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 3: might help the center, you know, be able to handle

2202
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 3: power a little bit better and be able to hold

2203
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 3: the middle of the pocket a little bit better. If

2204
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 3: he's got to just boulders on either side of him,

2205
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 3: that would make the most sense. It's what kind of

2206
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 3: why I've I've been a little bit back in on

2207
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 3: city so lately lately, just because I feel like he's

2208
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 3: a big guard too, you know, kind of can do

2209
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 3: the same sort of thing. But with Tyler Booker, yeah,

2210
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 3: you know, if he's there, if he falls for all

2211
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 3: these combine, you know, athletic profile concerns, I could definitely

2212
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 3: see that. Day two I had Wyatt Milam. I think

2213
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 3: Wyatt Milems is getting slept on because he's probably gonna

2214
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 3: move inside at the next level. But I think he's

2215
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 3: gonna be a very very good guard in the NFL.

2216
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't see a real path for him.

2217
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 1: You don't think city center. I think he's be center.

2218
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 3: He's a little tall to be a center, but it's possible.

2219
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 1: Team seem to be less bothered by that now and

2220
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: they used to.

2221
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,600
Speaker 3: I just love moving these guys to guard, like I

2222
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 3: feel like guard is a There's still a ton of

2223
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 3: value in pass blocking at guard because you have all

2224
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 3: these interior defensive linemen that rushed the pass or at

2225
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 3: a high level, like if you go up against you know,

2226
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 3: Quentin Williams twice a year and Ed Oliver twice a year.

2227
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 3: And you know, I'll go on down the line of

2228
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 3: all the guys in the AFC that you're gonna maybe

2229
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 3: put potentially see if you're the Patriots, like you have

2230
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 3: to have guys on the interior that can pass block.

2231
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: You just do.

2232
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 3: And I think whyatt Milam is gonna be a really

2233
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 3: good one. Like he's a power oriented player. His game

2234
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 3: definitely fits a lot better in a phone booth. But

2235
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 3: he's gonna play really well at guard in the league.

2236
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 3: And he's gonna have a little bit of tackle feet

2237
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:24,160
Speaker 3: and tackle, you know, just experience blocking people that I

2238
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 3: think is going to help him a lot in pass protection.

2239
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 3: I don't have any doubts that guys like Zabel and

2240
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Speaker 3: Mylam are going to follow in the footsteps of you know,

2241
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 3: Tooney and Sheriff and Martin and all those guys that

2242
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 3: transitioned inside from being college left tackles. I think all

2243
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 3: those guys are gonna check those boxes if you want

2244
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,440
Speaker 3: to throw, you know, Donovan Jackson.

2245
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: So that was gonna be my guy again. If they're

2246
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 1: gonna do the tackle guard boom boom, at the top.

2247
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Donovan Jackson, I like, yeah, my day two centers obviously,

2248
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson, I've been very high on him. Limited sample size,

2249
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:56,839
Speaker 1: but smart player, athletic player, little similar to David Andrews

2250
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: now David Andrews obviously didn't get drafted, but maybe the

2251
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 1: league learned something the last times. A little bit bigger,

2252
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit bigger, but he's still undersized

2253
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 1: size there quotes the center and the other guy gotta

2254
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 1: mention her. On Day two Marcus Mabou, who got hosed

2255
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 1: by the combine, going from thirty three and an eighth

2256
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: in charms all the way down to thirty two. He

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01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: is a tackle, but he'll probably move. He's played both perdue.

2258
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: He can probably right tackle guard, flex right tackle guard. Yeah, yeah,

2259
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,759
Speaker 1: he uh. He wouldn't be a bad pick for the Patriots.

2260
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 3: He's got some of the most bizarre hand fighting I've

2261
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 3: ever seen. Like he's like literally like the karate kid,

2262
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 3: but it works like he gets it done. But like

2263
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 3: he is, he's like wax on wax off. Like you know,

2264
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 3: most times you want those stiff hands, like inside hands.

2265
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 3: This guy's like doing all sorts of like mister Miagi

2266
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 3: stuff and it somehow gets the job done.

2267
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 1: It's it's fun to watch, like.

2268
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 3: It's it's a little different, like when you're going through

2269
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 3: all these tackles. Then you get to him and you're like, oh,

2270
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 3: this is cool.

2271
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 1: This is a little fun. Thirty three and Charms. Don't

2272
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 1: forget it all right?

2273
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 3: Uh day three, Big deal and fairchild guy from Georgia.

2274
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 3: A pure left guard right He played left guard at

2275
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 3: Georgia and he's gonna play left guard in the NFL.

2276
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:03,639
Speaker 3: You were high upside high school wrestler, like all world

2277
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 3: high school wrestler, and you can see that. You know,

2278
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 3: he knows how to grapple, he knows how to leverage,

2279
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 3: he knows how to win with body positioning, can get

2280
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 3: underneath guys. Very versatile blocker, just in terms of all

2281
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:15,600
Speaker 3: the different things you can ask him to do. He

2282
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 3: can zone block, he can gap block, he can double team,

2283
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 3: he can pull, he can get up to the second level.

2284
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 3: He's really versatile in that way. Even though he's not

2285
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 3: positional flex necessarily, he's versatile within the scheme, which I

2286
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 3: think is really important. High level mover, high level pass protector.

2287
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna he he just screams, Josh McDaniel's guard to me, like,

2288
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 3: I just feel like that when they look at left

2289
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 3: guard specifically, like Touney's obviously like the pinnacle of what

2290
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 3: they want in the left guard. But I think that

2291
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 3: fair Child's kind of in that same mold and I

2292
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 3: like him a lot. And then obviously, you know you

2293
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 3: got to mention Drew Kendall. You know you gotta talk.

2294
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of good Day three centers Drew Kendall.

2295
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: Jake Majors is a very Josh McDaniels sort of center,

2296
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 1: very cerebral player. Eth McLoughlin would be really interesting coming

2297
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 1: off that injury. The guy all mention those center guard

2298
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 1: is Clay Webb from Jacksonville State. So he was a

2299
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,799
Speaker 1: five star recruit. I believe he's like a high rank recruit.

2300
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 1: Went to Georgia for a couple of years, wasn't playing

2301
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 1: it as a center. He was a recruited highly as

2302
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: a center, transferred to Jacksonville State, moved to guard, played

2303
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: it well, went to the Senior Bowl, played it well.

2304
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people think he's going to move back

2305
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: to center in the NFL. I'm certainly not ruling that out.

2306
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't sleep on him as a guard either.

2307
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: Little undersize, but kind of fits more for that McDaniels thing.

2308
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 1: And he's projected to go late, so that could be

2309
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 1: kind of like we talked about Denzil Burke, another one

2310
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 1: of these guys that all right now, I think he

2311
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 1: played at a higher level than Burke. He's just at

2312
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,560
Speaker 1: a less valuable position. That's why he's lower. But it's like,

2313
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 1: all right, he was highly tauted out of high school.

2314
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 1: Why didn't work out in college? And is it something

2315
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 1: we can work around and get him back to being

2316
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: the player he was projected to be? Fair enough? All right?

2317
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 3: So that's my guys. There's a lot of them in there,

2318
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 3: but I think you know, those are the guys, uh,

2319
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,599
Speaker 3: you know, on offense, and next week we'll do defense.

2320
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 3: Let's wrap up the show, get back to the phones,

2321
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 3: and then we have a ton of emails. I'll try

2322
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 3: to go through those as fast as we can as well.

2323
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 3: But Aldrid, our good friend is in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

2324
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 4: Hey, how y'all doing?

2325
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 1: Hey?

2326
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm about the receivers. I'm glad y'all talked about

2327
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:24,680
Speaker 7: my guy do a Doordan, yep, and ever and you're right,

2328
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 7: you got those three routes, but he beats man Fress

2329
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 7: only we can do the stay field over the top.

2330
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 7: But my question is we ain't never developed receive it

2331
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 7: no matter what coaching cre we have. Do you think

2332
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 7: they can develop one this year?

2333
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I believe it's kind of one of those

2334
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,839
Speaker 1: things where like I got to see it, right, Yeah,

2335
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:49,519
Speaker 1: I gotta see it. You know, Todd Downing's background is

2336
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks, and he kind of talked about this last

2337
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 1: week that like he'll have them ready and knowing the

2338
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 1: playbook and all of that, But when it comes to

2339
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 1: the footwork and the technique, that's where where we're gonna

2340
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 1: see what they can do with some of these guys.

2341
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 1: That's right. I think you hope maybe Stephan Diggs helps

2342
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 1: out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

2343
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 7: And the other thing is they're hosting that that that

2344
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,679
Speaker 7: cornerback I talked about last time. He supposed to be coming

2345
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 7: to New England like I think today or tomorrow. I

2346
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 7: got his name, but he's six to two run at

2347
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 7: four to three forty and I think he objected to

2348
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 7: go in the third or the fourth round. And I

2349
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 7: think he's meeting with us today, Ali from I got

2350
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 7: I think it's I think his last name is Thornton too.

2351
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 4: But he's but that girl Ali from Chatsport.

2352
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 7: She was mentioned missioned yesterday that people have been meeting

2353
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:37,759
Speaker 7: today with the Patriot.

2354
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 4: He got a thirty visits.

2355
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:43,719
Speaker 7: But he's go later in the round though. But there

2356
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 7: you go, Corey Thorton, Okay.

2357
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 4: You go.

2358
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:47,600
Speaker 7: I couldn't think of this guy. I couldn't think of

2359
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 7: his name.

2360
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 4: But uh uh, his background coach, he's the one that

2361
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:57,719
Speaker 4: did Chambers Ward and with Chikov and he got good.

2362
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 7: Corners and a good corner coach. But him and I

2363
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 7: hope we don't sleep on but he's out.

2364
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:07,679
Speaker 4: And how did you? Thank you?

2365
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:10,719
Speaker 3: Thanks Elder, thanks for the call as always. And yeah, Eldred,

2366
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,799
Speaker 3: uh you know Alex was was first to Kyle Williams.

2367
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,799
Speaker 3: Elder was first to Dante Thorton. He's been on Dante

2368
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 3: Thornton for a while, so props Eldred. You nailed that one.

2369
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 3: Well we'll see if he's a good football player in

2370
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 3: the NFL. But you nailed the draft stock going up?

2371
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 1: Who's did you do? You know? Anythink? I don't know,

2372
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 1: it's not about Corey Thorton.

2373
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Uh, Alex is in DC. What's up Alex?

2374
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 8: Hey guys, thanks for taking the call.

2375
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 3: No problem.

2376
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: Uh.

2377
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:41,879
Speaker 8: So, yesterday Batards set on his podcast citing a scouting

2378
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 8: report by Bob McGinn of The Athletic that of Duel

2379
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 8: Carter has some character concerns that he's a bit of

2380
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 8: an a whole high maintenance, isn't a hard worker. Have

2381
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 8: you heard anything about this? Do you have any concerns

2382
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:55,439
Speaker 8: around Carter? And do you give any weight to what

2383
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,719
Speaker 8: mcginnon says since he's the same guy that said barmore

2384
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 8: head character concern.

2385
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Alex.

2386
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually talked about this exact thing at the

2387
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 3: top of the show, So I don't want to go

2388
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 3: too long on it, but you can go back and

2389
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 3: listen to some of that. You know, we we talked

2390
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 3: to in depth about it. You know, I don't have

2391
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 3: much more.

2392
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 1: To add to that, so now I just say go

2393
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 1: back to the top of the show.

2394
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's get into some of these emails.

2395
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 3: We have a ton of them. I am a little

2396
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 3: disappointed in the listeners though, and I'll get to that.

2397
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 3: And here in a second, stopping me to the listener. No, no,

2398
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 3: I'm not being mean to them. I'm just a little

2399
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 3: disappointed that there's no emails about our are I'll get

2400
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,400
Speaker 3: to it in a second, but just a couple of questions.

2401
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 3: It's sort of about the tackles. And I think one

2402
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 3: of the things that's going around right now is just

2403
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,599
Speaker 3: like how confident are we that you know, a Connerly

2404
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 3: or an nursery or even a Simmons is going to

2405
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 3: be there for them at thirty eight? And you know,

2406
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 3: is there a risk there? And I think the answer

2407
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 3: is there's always a risk that just like last year,

2408
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 3: they're not able to orchestrate a trade out, they missed

2409
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 3: the run, and they missed the run.

2410
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and I think we're going to see a

2411
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 1: similar run this year because there's still that shortage of

2412
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 1: tackles and that shortage alignment. No I'm not caught. Maybe

2413
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 1: one of them gets there. You're certainly not gonna have

2414
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 1: your choice. Maybe one of them gets there. And honestly,

2415
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 1: if Simmons is the one that falls, and they'll know

2416
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 1: what internally like externally, I worry that the medicals aren't good. Yeah,

2417
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 1: if Simmons is the only one that falls. I look

2418
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 1: at that and say, his knees is not in great shape. Yeah,

2419
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: So I'm not confident that they're gonna get one of

2420
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:24,640
Speaker 1: those guys at thirty eight. If it's not Campbell or

2421
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 1: Membu or Banks at the top of the draft. They

2422
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 1: have to be moving up. They have to be moving up. Yeah.

2423
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 3: And look, I like we say all the time with trades,

2424
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 3: and I've been kind of pounding the table about how

2425
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 3: hard it might be to trade back in this draft

2426
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:41,120
Speaker 3: before trade it takes two to trade tango with the trade,

2427
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 3: but I think it's worse a team to trade out

2428
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:44,600
Speaker 3: with you, Right, I should.

2429
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 1: Be able to trade up because every everybody wants to

2430
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 1: trade down. This is what we're talking about. A Ford.

2431
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to trade up. Everybody wants to trade down.

2432
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 1: If you're trying to trade up, you should be in

2433
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 1: good shape. Uh.

2434
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 3: This is a good question from Ashton in Canada. He

2435
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 3: writes in about Jaden Higgins and Ted McMillan. This is

2436
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 3: something that we've talked to a little bit that like

2437
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 3: Ted McMillan is kind of Day one and Jayden Higgins

2438
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 3: is sort of the early Day two X in this draft.

2439
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 3: And he was just asking, you know, if we felt

2440
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 3: like there's a chance that Jaden Higgins is a better

2441
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 3: pro than Ted McMillan, and like, kind of whatever, the

2442
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 3: you know, who is better at what in certain areas.

2443
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:20,919
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing to me that maybe separates

2444
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,040
Speaker 3: McMillan a little bit is the yards after the catch.

2445
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't necessarily.

2446
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:27,679
Speaker 3: See that speed or that ability and that fluidity after

2447
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 3: the catch that McMillan has out of Higgins, and I

2448
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 3: think that that might elevate his ceiling. But in terms

2449
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 3: of what they do in their routes, in the way

2450
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,720
Speaker 3: that they play, in the way that they win, the

2451
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 3: fact that both of them are probably going to have

2452
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 3: to play a little bit in the slot to get

2453
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:46,880
Speaker 3: some vertical stretch out of them, I think they play

2454
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 3: very similarly. I think they're kind of comparable in a

2455
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 3: lot of ways. I just would give Tet the edge

2456
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 3: just because of the yards after the catch ability.

2457
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 1: I think his ball skills are also a little bit better.

2458
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they're both good in that regard, but that's

2459
01:50:57,400 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: why Yet's projector goes high as he has got unbelievable balls.

2460
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah that's fair, all right, you want to play a

2461
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 3: quick would you rather game?

2462
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 1: Oh boy, here we go. Yeah one.

2463
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:09,439
Speaker 3: Have the Patriots trade back the fourth page to trade

2464
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 3: back up in the or trade back up in the

2465
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 3: first round. So would you rather trade back from four

2466
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 3: or trade up from thirty eight?

2467
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: Up from thirty eight?

2468
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm up from thirty eight as well.

2469
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:23,360
Speaker 3: Have Giodd Campbell or Walter Nolan fall to thirty eight?

2470
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:26,000
Speaker 1: Oh? John Campbell, Yeah that's not even close.

2471
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Walter noan.

2472
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:30,639
Speaker 1: I like Walter Nolan, but like John Campbell in Rabel's defense,

2473
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 1: would be unbelievable.

2474
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 3: They have, they have the three technique, they have Milton Williams.

2475
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's part. I don't think they need another.

2476
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:38,840
Speaker 1: I feel like that was disrespectful to Walter Nolan the

2477
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 1: way I reacted, But like, I like Walter Nolan, but

2478
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 1: like John Campbell is so freaking good.

2479
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 3: I didn't spend a ton of time on Walter Nolan

2480
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 3: just because of where he's gonna go and and the

2481
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 3: fact that the Patriots Simon.

2482
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 1: Milton will see him plenty when he's in Buffalo.

2483
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 3: I thought he was a little streaky, like it's a

2484
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 3: little hot and cold on the tape, for me personally.

2485
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 3: You know, there's moments where you're like, wow, like there

2486
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:01,719
Speaker 3: it is, and but then there's like stretches of games

2487
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 3: where he kind of just was there like and just

2488
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:05,719
Speaker 3: kind of running into the line of scrimmage.

2489
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 1: You want my defensive tackle take, Yeah, Kenneth Grant's the

2490
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:09,920
Speaker 1: second best defensive tackle in the draft. And I think

2491
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant projected first round pick. I still think people

2492
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 1: are sleeping on him.

2493
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 3: Good athlete, yeah, Jalen Walker Mason Graham at four.

2494
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm going jail Walker Walker.

2495
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jalen Walker, more versatile, better.

2496
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 1: Player, fits a need better Yeah, Jalen Walker.

2497
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:28,000
Speaker 3: Have Gray's Abel or Marian Hampton fall to thirty eight?

2498
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:30,759
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a good one. Hmmm.

2499
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 3: I'm going Hampton.

2500
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm siding with the quarterback on this one. You

2501
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:36,639
Speaker 1: can get a guard later on. I'm going Hampton.

2502
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 3: It's a little bit more value even at running back.

2503
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going Hampton. That's a close one though, Yeah,

2504
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,200
Speaker 1: I could be. I could be. There's an argument for Zabel.

2505
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: That's a good question.

2506
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is this is more open ended, but

2507
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 3: what player with the first round grade are you predicting

2508
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,559
Speaker 3: the fall what player with.

2509
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:57,640
Speaker 1: The first round gride? I gotta like pull up the

2510
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 1: list real quick. Hang on, I don't know if I

2511
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 1: thought of something similar. Say what you're gonna say that

2512
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 1: I thought of something similar.

2513
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if everybody's gonna call I technically feel

2514
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 3: that he's a first round grade kind of guy. But

2515
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:11,839
Speaker 3: Luther Burden falling out of the first round, Luther Bird.

2516
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:15,440
Speaker 1: Would be one very likely. Mike Green would be another. Yeah,

2517
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 1: So what I was thinking is kind of I'll say

2518
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 1: I had Mike Green at like twenty eight. I think

2519
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 1: my last mock, so I'll say Mason Graham's are going

2520
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 1: to go in the first but every mock right now

2521
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 1: has him like six is his floor. I think you

2522
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 1: get down like nine or ten. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.

2523
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 1: Here's what I was gonna say. I was thinking about

2524
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,080
Speaker 1: this week. I was gonna write something about it later on,

2525
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 1: but I'll test it here. What is this year's Michael

2526
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 1: Pennock's pick? And what I mean by that is what

2527
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:46,639
Speaker 1: is the pick that nobody is talking about that happens

2528
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,760
Speaker 1: in the first round. That's a good one. I'd have

2529
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:50,559
Speaker 1: to think about that.

2530
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 3: I mean, I had to trade on Henderson thing earlier,

2531
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 3: Like I feel like that could happen. Yeah, but I

2532
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 3: don't know if that's like quite on Michael Pennock's level.

2533
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 1: It's more r nabs, right, but just completely out of nowhere.

2534
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 3: I think Milroe in the first round would be kind

2535
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:10,400
Speaker 3: of a stunner. Now he's invited to the draft, so

2536
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 3: obviously there's there's some ruzz that he might go in

2537
01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:15,599
Speaker 3: the first round, but that, to me, I think would

2538
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 3: be a little bit of a stunner, like where he

2539
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 3: was at the end of the college football season, Like

2540
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 3: he's made that much ground up, you know, in the

2541
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 3: pre draft process, and now all of a sudden he

2542
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:25,679
Speaker 3: goes in the first round.

2543
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 1: I'd be pretty stunned about that. Yeah, So I was

2544
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:31,760
Speaker 1: gonna say, like Millroe going like top twenty, Yeah, and

2545
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 1: maybe it's a trade up. But yeah, the other oh,

2546
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 1: the other one I had it. I put this in

2547
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,840
Speaker 1: my last mock. I don't think I'm alone in this.

2548
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple other people do it, but like

2549
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden of the Steelers. Yeah, so he plays the

2550
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 1: inside with Pickens and Metcalf on the outside, and then

2551
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 1: Pickens on expiring contract, like it and this is this

2552
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 1: was this takes under the assumption that they finally signed Rogers,

2553
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 1: but like it's a lot of wide receiver in one offseason.

2554
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 3: But all right, speaking of receivers, then I have my

2555
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:03,520
Speaker 3: little thing I want to get you here at the end.

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01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 3: Will Wrights in and mentions that there just haven't been

2558
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 3: a ton of buzz about Patriots thirty visits with wide

2559
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 3: receivers specifically, I think Jalen Noel.

2560
01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 1: Or Noel Yeah, I got that.

2561
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 3: I think he's maybe been reported now that he's.

2562
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 1: Come in and posted himself in the bill.

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01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 3: Right, all right, but we haven't. We haven't seen you know,

2564
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:29,320
Speaker 3: Golden Murden, McMillan and Will just ask like, do they

2565
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 3: always draft based off the thirty visits?

2566
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:34,680
Speaker 1: No, definitely not pretty rare. Ac Yeah, I think all

2567
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,080
Speaker 1: visits thirty combined Senior Bowl? Was it last year they

2568
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 1: like for their picks? Yeah, before that, I think it

2569
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 1: was two.

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01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 3: It's very it's a it's a low percentage. There's a

2571
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:47,080
Speaker 3: lot of intel information gathering that goes on at these

2572
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:50,240
Speaker 3: types of things that isn't anything beyond just doing your

2573
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 3: due diligence on players. I'd also mentioned with the thirty visits. Uh,

2574
01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 3: you're just getting what's leaked, so you don't know. We

2575
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 3: don't know all thirty guys.

2576
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 1: Ta Thornton was one we didn't known till after the

2577
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 1: draft we met with them.

2578
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 3: I remember also, you know, Christian Gonzales, like they sent

2579
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 3: at the time Drawd Mayo out to like personally spend

2580
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 3: like a weekend with Christian Gonzales in Oregon, uh, before

2581
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 3: the draft, and nobody knew about it, you know, and

2582
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,920
Speaker 3: nobody knew about it till afterwards. So I would just

2583
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 3: caution that, you know, don't overreact to the thirty visits. Yeah,

2584
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 3: all right, last thing here, you and I got got

2585
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 3: put on blast a little bit on social Like we

2586
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 3: got put on blast a little bit. I think it's

2587
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:33,160
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think we should do it. We

2588
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:35,240
Speaker 3: got put on blast a little bit because we Uh,

2589
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 3: it was a class A felony that you and I

2590
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,440
Speaker 3: said that we would not take a trade down with

2591
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 3: the Saints going from four for nine and forty and

2592
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 3: we both said we wouldn't do it. It doesn't feel like

2593
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 3: enough to me. It still doesn't feel like enough to me.

2594
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 3: But my main takeaway with this is one, you know,

2595
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:55,120
Speaker 3: like it kind of caused a little bit of a

2596
01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:59,160
Speaker 3: start for no reason over like a take content on

2597
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 3: a podcast like Let's calm down. Second of all, if

2598
01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 3: the Saints are gonna trade up with the Patriots just

2599
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,120
Speaker 3: becoming a popular take.

2600
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 1: Which is banks on the idea that they want Sanders.

2601
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, which banked on the idea that they want Sanders,

2602
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 3: then that means that the fourth overall pick is going

2603
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 3: to be Shador Sanders. So you are now selling the

2604
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 3: fourth overall pick for a quarterback, which in my opinion

2605
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 3: changes the value of the trade.

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01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: Yes, right, not your opinion, that's generally how it's done. Yeah.

2607
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 3: So if it's Shador Sanders going at four, and that's

2608
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:34,680
Speaker 3: who's gonna go at four, that means if the Raiders

2609
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 3: want you door Sanders, if the Saints want you door Sanders, Steelers,

2610
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 3: if the Steelers want you door Sanders, if any of

2611
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:43,160
Speaker 3: these teams wants you to door Sanders, then they need

2612
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:45,520
Speaker 3: to get up to pick four to get Shador Sanders,

2613
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:48,040
Speaker 3: which just inherently will increase the mark.

2614
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 1: As a quarterback tacks.

2615
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:51,960
Speaker 3: It's a quarterback tax. And so when I heard that

2616
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:55,360
Speaker 3: trade proposal, it didn't feel like enough, and I still

2617
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:58,160
Speaker 3: don't feel like it feels like enough. I want to

2618
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 3: trade down if you can. If Harder and Hunter aren't there,

2619
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:03,560
Speaker 3: I would trade down, But I'm not trading down just

2620
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 3: to trade down.

2621
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:06,120
Speaker 1: It's gotta be worth while.

2622
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:08,640
Speaker 3: It's gotta be worthwhile, And just the last thing I'll

2623
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:13,320
Speaker 3: say on it, I would be pretty disappointed if the

2624
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 3: Patriots came out of this draft without one of Carter, Hunter,

2625
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 3: Campbell or Membu.

2626
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:22,000
Speaker 1: Like I'll put Jalen Walker in there.

2627
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:24,120
Speaker 3: I feel like all four of those guys. To me,

2628
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 3: I want one of those four guys in the first round. Now,

2629
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:29,240
Speaker 3: if you can still get that guy by trading down,

2630
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 3: then I get that there's a ton of value.

2631
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm not super confident that all four of those guys

2632
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 1: make it tonight, and I'll put Walker in there. But

2633
01:58:36,200 --> 01:58:38,400
Speaker 1: I think for the grading it as a whole, they're

2634
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 1: all similar. But for the Patriots, specifically Ted McMillan, Mason Graham, Taler,

2635
01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:44,720
Speaker 1: Warre and those guys are a step back. So and

2636
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:46,400
Speaker 1: I think that's just what it comes down to. Like,

2637
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 1: and some people put it in the replies to that video,

2638
01:58:48,760 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 1: like I'm just a little less confident in some of

2639
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:53,400
Speaker 1: those guys falling, and it doesn't mean I wouldn't do.

2640
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 1: He just have to make it worth the while. Like

2641
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,840
Speaker 1: borish friend of the show put in, like he added

2642
01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:00,800
Speaker 1: another trade, and I think Patriots are giving up like

2643
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:04,200
Speaker 1: a fifth or six or something, but another top one hundred. Okay,

2644
01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 1: if I'm getting three top one hundred picks back, I'm

2645
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 1: more interested what I would really like to see if

2646
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:11,200
Speaker 1: they were going to make that trade. So we use

2647
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:14,800
Speaker 1: the same basis four for nine and forty. If I'm

2648
01:59:14,840 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots, the first thing I'm asking for on top

2649
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:20,200
Speaker 1: of that is a future top one hundred pick early second.

2650
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:21,560
Speaker 1: You're not going to get a first, You're just not

2651
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Can you get a future second. I might even take

2652
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:28,120
Speaker 1: a future third because the idea is, all right, I'm

2653
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:31,560
Speaker 1: moving down this year, give me the ammunition to move

2654
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:33,560
Speaker 1: back up next year in a better draft. I think

2655
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 1: I've talked about a little bit on this show. I've

2656
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:39,600
Speaker 1: talked about it on other shows. The mathematics of the

2657
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 1: future picks and trades in this draft specifically is going

2658
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 1: to be fascinating. They're going to be worth less or

2659
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 1: they're going to be worth more in this draft because

2660
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:51,760
Speaker 1: our team's going to be willing to borrow from future

2661
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:54,960
Speaker 1: better drafts to improve their standing in this one. So

2662
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 1: and on the flip side, they're more valuable to acquire.

2663
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:01,560
Speaker 1: So if I'm the Patriots, not moving back, I want

2664
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:03,600
Speaker 1: a future for I want a future pick. I want

2665
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:05,640
Speaker 1: a future pick. So okay, I'm gonna move back this year.

2666
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:08,200
Speaker 1: Next year when it's better class, I want more top

2667
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:10,920
Speaker 1: one hundred ammunition so I can move back up the board.

2668
02:00:11,120 --> 02:00:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would just be really careful. This is a

2669
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:17,520
Speaker 3: draft to me with the Patriots, they have to nail

2670
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 3: their first round pick.

2671
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:20,520
Speaker 1: They have any draft, but yeah.

2672
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:22,440
Speaker 3: But they but this is a big draft for them.

2673
02:00:22,520 --> 02:00:24,720
Speaker 3: It's a big draft, and I have to nail that pick.

2674
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:26,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't get cute with it.

2675
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that.

2676
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:29,520
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, when you start trading down,

2677
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm not saying don't trade down if the trade down

2678
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,080
Speaker 3: is there, and it's the value is there for the pick,

2679
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 3: but we're not bit don't trade down just to trade down. Yeah,

2680
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:40,720
Speaker 3: because you're gonna put yourself into a position in a

2681
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 3: weaker top of the draft that you might not nail

2682
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:44,720
Speaker 3: the pick.

2683
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,080
Speaker 1: If you believe in a guy, take them, if it's like, well,

2684
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, I feel more comfortable at nine than four,

2685
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:51,440
Speaker 1: then you don't really believe in the player, right, And

2686
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:53,880
Speaker 1: if you don't believe in any of the players truly,

2687
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 1: which you might not in this draft, and that's Hunter

2688
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:59,400
Speaker 1: and Carter off the board obviously, then like, yeah, just

2689
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:01,800
Speaker 1: by defaul, you have to believe in one more than

2690
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:04,040
Speaker 1: the rest. So just that's the guy.

2691
02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 3: I just I keep coming back to the same thing

2692
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:12,200
Speaker 3: with them. You have to be careful about the fact

2693
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 3: that this is a you gotta be able to get

2694
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:18,320
Speaker 3: on base with this pick. Yeah, And I just I'm

2695
02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:21,960
Speaker 3: not jones in to just give away the pilk and.

2696
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:24,280
Speaker 1: That's it to be fair. In twenty twenty three, they

2697
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:26,440
Speaker 1: knew the board, they knew they can move down three

2698
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:28,280
Speaker 1: spots and still get Christian Zales, and we gave them

2699
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 1: a ton of praise for that. Yeah, if you know,

2700
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:32,480
Speaker 1: if you read the board, and you know, and this

2701
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,520
Speaker 1: is including teams that might trade up, and like Miami's

2702
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:37,840
Speaker 1: lurking there at thirteen. They're a trade up team for

2703
02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:40,520
Speaker 1: a tackle. They worry me. The Bears are a trade

2704
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 1: up team for an offensive lineman. Certainly the Colts might

2705
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:46,240
Speaker 1: be too. Like if you know, all right, one of

2706
02:01:46,280 --> 02:01:48,240
Speaker 1: these guys is gonna get to nine if you read

2707
02:01:48,280 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 1: the board like, yeah, go for it. I just don't

2708
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:54,680
Speaker 1: feel super confident that again that group, if Carter Hunter

2709
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:57,760
Speaker 1: are there, you're not trading, so they're relevant. Yeah, Campbell,

2710
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:01,800
Speaker 1: Membo and Walker. I'll put Walker in a group. I

2711
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,840
Speaker 1: know you didn't. I will. And maybe you're okay ending

2712
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:07,680
Speaker 1: up with Kelvin Banks, I guess, But like you're if

2713
02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:11,160
Speaker 1: you're not super confident in those guys falling, you get

2714
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:12,240
Speaker 1: nervous about a trade like that.

2715
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right. So that does it for today.

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02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:18,200
Speaker 3: We'll be back next week. We're gonna do my guys

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Speaker 3: on defense. We'll try to get the more of the

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2719
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:24,560
Speaker 3: know you guys emailed in a ton of we didn't

2720
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:25,880
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