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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I'll never told your protection of iHeartRadio. And today, as

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Speaker 1: we're entering the new year, we wanted to check back

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Speaker 1: in with what's going on with podcast We've done this

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Speaker 1: a couple of times. Wait, raised you know, it's our industry,

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Speaker 1: it's what we do. So we're really exacting. Hey, what's

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Speaker 1: going on here? And to be honest, not a lot

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Speaker 1: of progress has happened, and in a film cases, some

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Speaker 1: backsliding has happened. And for this episode, we are primarily

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Speaker 1: focused on some new research out of usc Annenberg that

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Speaker 1: was about this whole thing. So at the end of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, usc Anenburg released a study about race

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Speaker 1: and gender and popular podcast as they know it. In

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Speaker 1: their study, twenty twenty five was a big year for podcasting.

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Speaker 1: For example, it was the first time the Golden Globes

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Speaker 1: included nominations for.

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Speaker 2: Podcast Annie, did you know? In their twenty five list

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Speaker 2: did you look at this stuff you should know?

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Speaker 3: Was included.

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Speaker 2: A very own og was included as a possible contender

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Speaker 2: for being nominated for the first ever podcasting category of

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Speaker 2: the Golden Globes. I know and they weren't of course,

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Speaker 2: which is really really disheartening. But yes, they were in

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Speaker 2: that list because as they should be. They've been in

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Speaker 2: the top ten podcast for the last what ten twenty years?

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Speaker 2: I don't know how long podcasts have been around, even

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Speaker 1: Was I think theirs was two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 3: So we're getting there. They are getting there. Congratulations guys.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they were actually in that twenty five list

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Speaker 2: when they were considering it, they were not actually nominated.

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Speaker 2: Three out of the six nominated were celebrity podcast which.

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Speaker 3: Is a thing.

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Speaker 1: It is a thing which kind of does segue into

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Speaker 1: my next point, but before we get into that, I

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Speaker 1: every time I see awards like that, I kind of

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Speaker 1: and it's not like this is unique to podcasting, but

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Speaker 1: I always am like, well, how often does their show

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Speaker 1: the of a production team do they have, because you know, Steph,

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Speaker 1: have a lot of like sound editing or sound effects versus.

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Speaker 1: I imagine a lot of these celebrity podcasts might not

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Speaker 2: Well, I know they don't have a lot. Actually, I

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Speaker 2: don't think that any of them are storytelling. They're just

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Speaker 2: so that while we're here mine as well. The six

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Speaker 2: that were nominated are Armchair Expert with Dax Shepherd, Call

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Speaker 2: Her Daddy, Good Hang with Amy Poehler, the Mel Robbins podcast, SmartLess,

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Speaker 2: and Up First from NPR. So SmartLess, the Ducks, Shepherd One,

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Speaker 2: and Good Hang are all three celebrity based. SmartLess was

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Speaker 2: one of the highest bought out I guess show like

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Speaker 3: Call Her Daddy has been.

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Speaker 2: I think they weren't influencers first, y'all can tell me

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Speaker 2: not surprising to see them there. I think they actually

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Speaker 2: I want to say the Mel Robbins podcast, which we

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Speaker 2: the Armchair one, it was number six among homemakers, earning

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Speaker 1: To Yeah, that's very specific.

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Speaker 1: But one more thing before we get to it. We

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Speaker 2: But like companies really invested in things like that and

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Speaker 2: like Joe Rogan, which they bought for two hundred and

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Speaker 1: I used to have a joke because every time I

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Speaker 2: So when iHeart bought out how Stuff Works and then

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Speaker 2: Okay, for an iHeart really learned the value of podcasting

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Speaker 1: comes to what genres women podcast host are most successful with,

436
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: true crime is the top with fifty three percent. Something

437
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: in the arts, society, and cultural genre is forty three

438
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: point three percent, which is I think that's where we

439
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: fall Samantha, I think that's where we're categorized. Probably. I

440
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: think so News and education both are at about forty percent.

441
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: Women were least likely to host podcasts about business and

442
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: technology and sports and fitness at seven point seven percent

443
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: and eighteen point nine percent seven point seven. That's really low.

444
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really disheartening. Yeah, the numbers are not good.

445
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: And I remember coming on twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, twenty

446
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: nineteen and talking about the state of podcasts and women

447
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: in podcasts, and yeah, we really thought by this time

448
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: the increase would be so huge and so giant, and

449
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: to see not at all and it's only gotten.

450
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: Bleak.

451
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: We had so much hope and then and then yeah, yeah,

452
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: well it gets worse. So when it comes to of

453
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: those one hundred podcast surveyed, about seventy seven percent were white,

454
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: and the percentage rises even higher to about seventy nine

455
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: percent when casting a wider net. So when you're looking

456
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: out at more podcasts, the numbers get worse.

457
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

458
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: These trends were similarly reflected as the ones in gender,

459
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: so there was higher representation in movies, TV, and music

460
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: than there is in podcasting. Only six point six percent

461
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: of the top one hundred podcast host surveyed were women

462
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: of color, and only about eight percent of the five

463
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety two surveyed. Once again, this number is

464
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: lower than representation same groups and movies, TV, and music.

465
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: I want to know if we were in that five,

466
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety two because we were in Spotify.

467
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah technically Oh well yeah, oh oh really

468
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: yeah that podcasts are there, they exist. Oh my gosh,

469
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm not just screaming into the right.

470
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: Now into the YouTube boyd.

471
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tried to find the list of the podcast

472
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: I probably could have, but I couldn't find it easily. No,

473
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: I suspect we weren't on there, but it's possible.

474
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: That makes me sad.

475
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like we're left out of a

476
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: lot of things that we sure.

477
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: Are, or all of.

478
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: Our data is relegated from twenty early two thousands when

479
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: the first the show first began.

480
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's another pain.

481
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 3: That's another pain. It's okay.

482
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we definitely had an amazing beginning. Our platform

483
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: was created by Kristen and Molly and Caroline and they

484
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: really built up this platform so we can be here

485
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: because I don't know, it's so hard again to break through, Yeah,

486
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: in these industries, like people asking us what can we

487
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: do when we just sit there looking at like, oh,

488
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: do you have a friend that's already in podcasting that's

489
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: pretty well known? No, thank good luck?

490
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: My joking horrible answer is always good a time machine,

491
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: but it used to be wild. I don't want to

492
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to discourage anybody, but it's

493
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: just changed so much because we do have that long

494
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: history and that built up audience thanks to previous hosts.

495
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: But no joke. We used to have a kind of

496
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: a penalty. I guess it was a bonus, but I

497
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: saw it as a penalty. You had to get a

498
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: million downloads every month, right, or you wouldn't get like

499
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: your bonus.

500
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: Right.

501
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's more complicated than that, but you

502
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't get this like extra pay, right, And nowadays that

503
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: seems wild to me, that's right? Or with you a

504
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: million yeah a month? And now I'll hear other podcasts

505
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: talking about how much they get and it's their scenic

506
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: successful and it's nowhere close to that. But that's what

507
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: it used to be, right, And now there's so much competition,

508
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: And I don't blame I mean.

509
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: Even within our own company, I know, and.

510
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: Listeners, you have so many options, So thank you for

511
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: being here, thank you.

512
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 2: For listening still being part of our family. We do

513
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: love that. But yeah, the amount of choices when you

514
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: go through it is unbelievable because you can just I

515
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: was looking up Intersectional Feminists podcast for twenty twenty five

516
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: and that they had top one hundred lists and it

517
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: kept going. And that's for intersexual feminism, which I didn't

518
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: think there was that many, but there is, and I'd

519
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: love to see it. But of course each one of

520
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: them more like has like four votes or five votes,

521
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: are like and I want to see more and more

522
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: because we want to have more and more content. But

523
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: then at the same time, yeah, there are so many choices,

524
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: there's so many new voices.

525
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: We need more new voices. We want to hear more voices.

526
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: But it's interesting to se the as it again, this

527
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: market is very saturated, but now they want to be entertained.

528
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: Now they want us to entertain in different fashions, whether

529
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: it is through the clip videos, the the viral Yes

530
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: acts that we can't just conjure up because we don't

531
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: see each other that often. Yes, Well, this split second.

532
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: Another infamous story, Samantha's Nos, and this was not this

533
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: was not iHeart. This was a different company that owned

534
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: us at one point. But we had a meeting where

535
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: they sat us down and played what does the Fox say?

536
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: And I bet a lot of listeners don't even remember

537
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: that viral clip and said why can't you go viral?

538
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: And we were like, what you think if we knew

539
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: how to do it, we wouldn't have done it.

540
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna say it wasn't for the lack of trying,

541
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: because the videos from Kaz House Works are hilarious and

542
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm really glad to not have had to be a

543
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: part of that. And God blessed Ben and Kristen acting

544
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: their butts off for all of these clips, and Jonathan

545
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: doing their bits and trying to appease the viral gods

546
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: and hope that someone sees them.

547
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: And Christin has some viral videos. I know.

548
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: She was really to the point that people did not

549
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 2: realize it was a podcast.

550
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: Yes, and they thought it was just a YouTube show.

551
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: Which was really interesting to me because I feel like

552
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: I was the person who answered listener mail at that

553
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: point as well. I feel like they were separate audiences

554
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: for us. Here's the audio podcast listeners, and here are

555
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: the YouTube primarily listeners, and that was fascinating to me.

556
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember because I had come in with

557
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: Caroline and we were doing some collaborative work with a

558
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: friend of a kind of an acquaintance. We were doing

559
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: a project that I was really passionate about and I

560
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: was into Caroline and she was I was like, oh,

561
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: you know, she's a podcast she does stuff Mom never

562
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: told you. She was like, oh my god, you know

563
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: Kristen And we were like, yeah, they were all on

564
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: podcasts together.

565
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: She's like, she has podcasts.

566
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: Like she was so confused because she knew her from

567
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: again the YouTube series, and she did not know that

568
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: there was a podcast. And I was like, I guess

569
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: because there's two separate entities and they weren't necessarily trying

570
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 2: to show podcasting in YouTube. So it's kind of like

571
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: and then Caroline became full time. She was doing a

572
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: video for another segment that wasn't stuff Mom never told you.

573
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like Caroline came on to the

574
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: this Sminty YouTube show once and even I was like, oh,

575
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: it's Caroline on the video, but yeah, I know it was.

576
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: It was very different and just if any of you

577
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: just haven't seen any of those videos, they weren't a

578
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: lot of what we're talking about now with podcasting. Video

579
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: is literally you're watching a video of them.

580
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: Podcasting recording a podcast. So it's the same episode as

581
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: you could just listen to.

582
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: Yes, this was supposed to be supplemental to the podcast,

583
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: and they were short, like five to seven minute videos skits, Yes,

584
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: but they weren't like educational skits. Yeah, they were meant

585
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: to They kind of were meant to look like a

586
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: journal or somebody talking directly to you. A lot of

587
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: times she did focus on the topics that she uh

588
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: covered in the podcast, but it wasn't like a she's

589
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: talking into a microphone and this is the episode she

590
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: had costumes. I put it in effects like this is

591
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: where I learned all the font names. Yeah. Yeah, so

592
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: it is different.

593
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: Which way have you noticed?

594
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: I don't know all on Spotify they have an option

595
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: to see like just music, to see the videos instead

596
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: of just listening to the music.

597
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: Oh really, I.

598
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: Think there's one story.

599
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: Well, YouTube makes sense because they had music videos that

600
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: kind of they kind of replaced MTV for music videos

601
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: being released, like that's why you would look it up.

602
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: But in Spotify it was never nothing about video. Like

603
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: they came to the point where you could actually read

604
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: the lyrics and I was like, oh that's cool. Now

605
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: you can actually watch the music video and I'm like, oh,

606
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: they're one step away from doing this content.

607
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and that's another thing that as we've been

608
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: discussing how this might impact us if if it happened,

609
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: if we had to do video, I do think in

610
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: some ways this has changed, but it's just going to

611
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: require more for a lot of women are people who

612
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: present as femme because it usually does entail like makeup

613
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: and clothes, and that's extra time of your day and

614
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: hair maybe just stuff that men necessarily don't have to

615
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: worry about as much. And just to like hammer home

616
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: that point, I was in a meeting once where they

617
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: brought it up back when we still did video. It's

618
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: like you should wear more makeup to somebody. So it's

619
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: not like I said, I do think it's gotten better,

620
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: but that's just an extra thing. And I even expend

621
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: some makeup when I thought we had to do it

622
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: because I was like, well, not ready running.

623
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: No.

624
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: Oh well It's It's.

625
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: Interesting because we also have talked about the criticisms that

626
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: women host in marginalists, well they receive is so much

627
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: more vast and so much more harsh and like intense.

628
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: So having that layer of criticism about the way we

629
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: speak about the way we pause, about the way we giggle,

630
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: about any of those things which have the amount of

631
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: criticism I got because of my accent, because of the

632
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: way I spoke, the way I would whisper, and being

633
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: all these things or what I talked about or how

634
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: I talked about it, whatever whatnot was pretty painful and

635
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: damaging for a while that I had to come to

636
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: again talked about this before being like, how do I

637
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: stop looking at this? Because I want I want the

638
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: praise without the criticism, and the amount of criticism was

639
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: outweighing to me what seemed to be the praise. And

640
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: again we've got amazing listeners who have always been with

641
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: us a part of the family, but we have people

642
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: who are comparing us to the previous hosts about not

643
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: being this person or that person. Me being criticized for

644
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: having a non white perspective like that has happened as well.

645
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: But like all of that to come back into having

646
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: our appearance and have being told that these are the

647
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: things that are wrong with me, or these are the

648
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: things like what we look like, what we don't look like.

649
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know if I can go

650
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: to that again.

651
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: It's miserable. It's you stepped answer the YouTube comments and

652
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: it was not fun.

653
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: Oh and but that's the thing, is like, that's what

654
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: we're going to see, and that's kind of one of

655
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: the things that we want to avoid personally in our

656
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: in our every day the coming in sweats and pajamas

657
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: has been a privilege. Again, we love our job, and

658
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: we know we have a privileged position, but understand that

659
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: when you're under scrutiny, the amount of scrutiny is intense,

660
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: and so feeling like we have to do it no

661
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: matter what is unbelievable. And then also to seeing okay,

662
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: but if we have to, because is the tides turning

663
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: to that point that if we don't, we lose to

664
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 2: those willing to do these things or have been doing

665
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: these things. And again, you know, we lose another marginalized

666
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: voice because because of that exactly.

667
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: And obviously these numbers they're terrible. This is terrible, so

668
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: low of a percentage of women and women of color specifically,

669
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: and I do think it has to do with a

670
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: lot of things. But yeah, that scrutiny that when you

671
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: come on you're not getting the support from monetarily from companies,

672
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: but also just from you're getting bombarded with all this

673
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: criticism you're not getting Like sometimes Apple podcasts will spotlight

674
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: a show. You're not getting something like that because maybe

675
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: you're controversial and they don't have anything to do with that,

676
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: like even though you're probably not controversial, but they'll, you know.

677
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: And that's going back to what I was saying earlier.

678
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: When you're talking about a medium that is relatively new,

679
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: that is relatively free, that's a huge deal. If people

680
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: are like going to podcasts to get their news or

681
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: to like shape their worldviews, and they're not hearing from

682
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: women or people of color or women of color, then

683
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: that's a huge problem. Ah. And this was an interesting

684
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: thing too. The study looked into guest appearances on podcasts

685
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: and found that almost seventy five percent of guest appearances

686
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: were men. Women weren't featured as guests on two thirds

687
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: of the over four thousand podcast episodes surveyed, and perhaps unsurprisingly,

688
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: women guests were the most likely to appear on podcast

689
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: with host who were women. That makes so much sense

690
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: to me. The numbers were pretty stark too, though, even

691
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: for podcasts hosted by at least one woman, percentage wise,

692
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: they still had more male guests, about fifty five percent men. Meanwhile,

693
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: podcasts with no women host had over eighty percent male guests. Right, yes,

694
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: and again that's that's part of the p when you

695
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: don't have these hosts who are going to make the effort.

696
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: I guess people.

697
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: Have a conversation like, it's interesting to see how that

698
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: comes about and who is asked to.

699
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 3: Be on what show?

700
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

701
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: I will say, we have plenty of people asking to

702
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: have men, Like, We've had plenty of agencies or men

703
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: asked to be on this show. And I'm like, do

704
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: you know what this show is about? Yeah, and there's

705
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: somewhere it is appropriate, don't get me wrong. There's some

706
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: real conversations and I'm like, yeah, let's let's do this,

707
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: let's have this conversation whatever whatnot. But they are just like,

708
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: again we had that one dude.

709
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was very like.

710
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: Right leaning politics and get your women in control.

711
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, are interesting pitches shall we say?

712
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, of course it's not surprising to see that

713
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: they as guests, even they're not platformed, and by the

714
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: pitches that we get, there's plenty of people out there

715
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: who should be platformed and we don't get to have

716
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: everybody that wants to be on our show or have

717
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: been asked have been doing amazing things. So it's not

718
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: because of the lack of opportunity. There are plenty of

719
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: people out there. There are plenty of women, There are

720
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: plenty of marginalized people, have so many different types of

721
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: experiences and expertise that really should be platformed, but they're

722
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: just not chosen.

723
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, honestly, like you said, we get plenty

724
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: of people that we wish we could. It's just timing

725
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. They're out there. They are out there,

726
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: and I promise they're not pitching just to us, right,

727
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: just to only women.

728
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: Right.

729
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: So this is also a very disheartening number because how

730
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: are you going to have You're just missing women listen

731
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: to just as many podcasts as ment like a little

732
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: a little less statistically, but it's almost equal.

733
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: But like, the thing is interestingly the because we've talked

734
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: about this before, but the percentage of a listeners listenership

735
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: tripled in the last ten years for women. Like the

736
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 2: growth has been astronomical. And we've talked about this before

737
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: about advertising and who is most likely buying things and

738
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: who's also listening to the sponsorships. Hello, it is women,

739
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: It is majority women. They are the one that are

740
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: actually making money for these podcasts.

741
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: So it's kind of interesting to see why once.

742
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: Again, we've talked about this in marketing in every way,

743
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: when we talk about like marketing on TikTok, when we

744
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 2: talk about magazines, when we talk about all of these things,

745
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: we know that women are the buyers. They make up

746
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: the buyers of the household. So podcasting, which relies heavily

747
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: on ads, sorry, y'all.

748
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 3: I know you hate it, I don't.

749
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: I also do the fast forward mark that you would

750
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: think that they would understand having women being sponsored by

751
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: a company would help them in the long run economically.

752
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: I know. But I feel like the issue is there

753
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: was a push a couple of years ago to oh,

754
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: women are listening to podcasts, we should actually pay attention

755
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: to them. They might buy stuff. But then every advertisement

756
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: we got was just the most horrendous. I can't vote.

757
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: I cannot believe you think this would fly on a

758
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: feminist podcast at And it was just so telling to

759
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: me of how little you actually care, right, Like you're

760
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: just oh, they'll buy something they like botox, right, right, else.

761
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: This is a thing that happened everybody, and it's too

762
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: too long of a story and too traumatizing for us

763
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: to go into right now.

764
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: But y'all some of the things that we were like,

765
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: I don't think you understand what we do.

766
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: Yes, and listen if you want to your healthy mindspace,

767
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: you want to get photox. I'm not calling it out,

768
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: but it was the circumstances.

769
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: Yes, No, specifically specifically what we were talking about.

770
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: Yes, it was very bad.

771
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: We were like, you don't understand what this is. No,

772
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: but that's I mean again, And this could because I

773
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: was trying to look up numbers and I could not

774
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: find them. I'm sure I can do a deeper dive

775
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: because I was looking at behind the scenes of podcasts,

776
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: who what, what gender, or what community holds up and

777
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: I could not get specific numbers, but just from what

778
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: I see as white men. So this is part of

779
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: the bigger problem, Like the people who are not a

780
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: part of the conversation once again and not having giving

781
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: the feedback or not understanding the feedback, are not the

782
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: people who understand what is needed and what things are

783
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: like having research, research, what you're talking about, research, what

784
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: show you're trying to trying to use for what conversation

785
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: instead of just putting a band aid because yes, stuff

786
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: Mom never told you comes gets brought up as being

787
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: a mom show, even by the way, by our own bosses.

788
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fun, but show us this like we've been

789
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: here for a long time.

790
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: Right, like literally, Like we're not as big as the others,

791
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: for sure, I get this, but we are known as

792
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: one of the staples. Like they call this a legacy

793
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: show because of that, and then they use our show

794
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: to bring on other guests to when they start a podcast,

795
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: so that we can help get their name out, which

796
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: oftentimes they don't need our name, need our help, you know,

797
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 2: because we are a part of that thing. But people

798
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: who work for our company as leaders really do not,

799
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: and not that they can.

800
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: Again, there's tons of.

801
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: Our there's tons of shows. There's tons of shows. But

802
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: in things like marketing and things in like collaboration, you

803
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: kind of need to know who you say you want

804
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: to work with and why. Yeah, asking two women who

805
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: are not married and have no children and have no

806
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: want of children to do things because you think they're

807
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: moms because of the word mom.

808
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, is in that show.

809
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: It's stuff mom never told you. That doesn't mean we're

810
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: the mom.

811
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: So we didn't tell you. We would be telling you.

812
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: Right every year we have to have this conversation.

813
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: But it is interesting to see in that level of

814
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: like who is behind the scenes, who is navigating this boat?

815
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: And I will say, our.

816
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: Team, I think has been well made and we are

817
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: a well oiled machine. Like our executive producer has done

818
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: a lot to advocate for us, our producer Christina has

819
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: done a lot to advocate for us. Joey has been

820
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: like putting their finger on the pulls to make sure

821
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: that we're in line with the standards for the gen

822
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: z Yers. Oh my god, sorry about that. And I

823
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: hate myself for saying that. But all of that to

824
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: say is like we try. We have a great team,

825
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: So that's for us. We are again once again privileged

826
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: in having that. But just seeing the behind the scenes

827
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: when it comes to the corporate level of who controls

828
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: what is being platformed. I think that's the bigger conversation

829
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: in this narrative. And it is nice to see more

830
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: and more like producers and writers and researchers who are marginalized,

831
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: but it it feels like they get very and I

832
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: can I say this as privilege. They get stuck into

833
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: that same role instead of being able to expand and

834
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: being able to use their talents. And again that's a

835
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: whole different conversation in that because, as we talked about,

836
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: in any industry, if you want those communities to be

837
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: part of this conversation, if you want to grow in

838
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: those communities, we need those people from that community to

839
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: be a part of the conversation.

840
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, our listeners are awesome and we love you,

841
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: and yes, you listeners are fantastic, and a lot of

842
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: times when we do episodes, I'm almost kind of I

843
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: feel kind of not guilt, but I'm like, they already

844
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: know this, but here we are with the facts and

845
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: the research. So you're correct. But I did want to

846
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: include this quote. According to the host of the podcast

847
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: Boy Problems, Liz Plank, women will listen to men without hesitation,

848
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: but there's a real reluctance among many men to engage

849
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: with content made by women. So I think that that,

850
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think we should keep that in

851
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: mind too, because that is also something that just ring

852
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: true to me. Is that feels correct that it's seen

853
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: as you know, women's issues is still a top like

854
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: a genre, which there can be, but it feels so

855
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: like if a woman is the host, then it's a

856
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: woman's issue and I shouldn't engage with it unless I'm

857
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: a woman, and that's not what it is. Women hosts

858
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: talk about all kinds of things.

859
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: Oftentimes we're like, no, we need you to listen.

860
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 3: We're talking to you.

861
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: Yes, you live in the society man that we live

862
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: in as well, So.

863
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: Hello, we are being othered when we need you to

864
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: be a part of this conversation. We do want to

865
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: but they'll listen part.

866
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But I just feel like that was such

867
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: a Yeah. Women listen to male hosts, but.

868
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: Men are like I will say, we do have some

869
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: men that listen to us, and we are very excited

870
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: to get you are on and thank you for doing

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Speaker 2: so and writing in yes, and we appreciate that we

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Speaker 2: see you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, kudos. And with that, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Going to do something that I haven't done in a

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Speaker 2: long time.

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Speaker 1: Anie, I feel like.

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Speaker 2: This is appropriate, which is highlight a few of the

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Speaker 2: podcasts that are out there that you might not know

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Speaker 2: about and that we want to see grow. And some

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Speaker 2: of them are already kind of big, but you know,

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Speaker 2: we still love them. So I was going to start

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Speaker 2: off with Intersectionality in the American South. So this is

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Speaker 2: actually hosted by doctor Katie Acosta, and it is I

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Speaker 2: believe in affiliation with Georgia State University, which made me

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Speaker 2: very excited because obviously we're from Atlanta. But they do

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Speaker 2: great research topics, research topics and interviews with different people

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Speaker 2: in the South in talking about how intersectionality is important

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Speaker 2: for the South and what we are looking at. So

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Speaker 2: they're from their episode description in bus Sprout, they write,

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Speaker 2: Intersectionality in the American South is a podcast to anyone

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Speaker 2: who's ready to take a long, hard look at the

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00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: ways oppressive systems land in people's lives. We bring together

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Speaker 2: academics and everyday people in conversations about the intersectional forms

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00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: of oppression that marginalize people experience.

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Speaker 3: You will hear thought.

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00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: Provoking conversations about hard topics that center the often silence

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Speaker 2: voices of women in color, queer, trans and non binary

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Speaker 2: folk and immigrants. So from our research, this is in

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Speaker 2: correlation with Georgia State University and their Intersectional Studies collective

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Speaker 2: and from a I believe they have twenty two episodes.

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00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: The last one was released in September of twenty twenty five,

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00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: so it's been a minute. And their topics go from

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00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: educational topics to reproductive rights, to specific indigenous groups light

904
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: the golah Geichee community, which is a fascinating conversation and

905
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: if you don't know about them, you really should dive in.

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00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: There's been a big conversations as in fact, there's an

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Speaker 2: island I believe in Georgia that is a part of

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00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: Georgia that is currently being kind of fought over the

909
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: government's trying to take it from the Goliguchi community. So

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00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 2: something that we need to talk about and look at.

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Speaker 2: But they do have an instagram called intersect South that

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Speaker 2: you should go check out. I fin ended up fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I did listen to a little bit. They do a

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Speaker 2: great job in doing some of the research I can.

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Speaker 2: We love intersectionality in any way, but in the South,

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Speaker 2: you know, it hits different.

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Speaker 3: So just so you know.

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Speaker 2: Another one is a Burn It All Down. It's hosted

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Speaker 2: by Sharen Ahmed Amara, Rose Davis, Brenda Elsie, Lindsay Gibbs,

920
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: and Jessica Luther and they are a feminist sports podcast,

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00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: which we were like we need more of so from

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Speaker 2: their site, they just write the feminist sports podcast You Need,

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00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: very succinct with two hundred and seventy episode. The last

924
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: one was released just last month. Definitely you want to

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Speaker 2: go to. They do have all the social media under

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Speaker 2: burn It All Down pod, so you should go and

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Speaker 2: check them out. They've done a lot there. I think

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Speaker 2: they are pretty big in general. But you know we

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Speaker 2: love sports, then we have Uplifters. It's hosted by Arnsas

930
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Speaker 2: Savas and this is from their site, the Uplifters podcast

931
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Speaker 2: dot com. On the Uplifters podcast and the substack, I

932
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: share stories of women in midlife and beyond who are

933
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Speaker 2: pursuing their wildest dreams and biggest ambition despite self doubt

934
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: and societal messaging that says it's too late.

935
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Speaker 3: Spoiler is not.

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Speaker 2: These women are proving that we are all capable of

937
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Speaker 2: building our meaningful, our most meaningful lives at any age.

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Speaker 2: So it's very sweet, very uplifting, great stories. They have

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Speaker 2: one hundred and forty three episodes that have different inspiring

940
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 2: episodes with different interviews. She gets to talk to through

941
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: talk with many different people. Very cool, So you can

942
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Speaker 2: go check that out and then finally, but of course

943
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Speaker 2: there's many, many more, many many more. The Unscripted Revolution

944
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: is hosted by Nikita Ramkissen and this is their Spotify

945
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: show description. Intersectional proletarianism, journalism, and Leftism. From a master's

946
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Speaker 2: graduate in gender studies, Nikita Ramkesen raised in an anti

947
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: apartheid activist household, Nikita grew up with love for human

948
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Speaker 2: rights and good books. Being a survivor of childhood sexual assault,

949
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: she developed by polar disorder and wishes to debunk myths

950
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: about mental illness and shed light on survivor issues through

951
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: her writing. Some might call her a raging feminist, and

952
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Speaker 2: she is guided by Bill Hooks, Angela and the Other

953
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Speaker 2: Black women Is. Nikita wishes to uplift voices of women

954
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Speaker 2: in color and media spaces, so she has some really

955
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: great interviews as well. Her work is pretty fascinating. She's

956
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: not afraid of tackling all of the hard subjects. Very

957
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: good listen, kind of hard listen, but very needed. So

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Speaker 2: those are four that we would recommend for now. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure I'll find them more about it before the end

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Speaker 2: of the year.

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Speaker 1: For y'all, yes and listeners, if you have any oo

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Speaker 1: yes that you would like to suggest we know some

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Speaker 1: of you have podcasts. Just let us know. You can

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Speaker 1: email us at Hello A stuff onever Told You dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Blue skyt Mom Stuff podcast

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Speaker 1: or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff I Never Told You.

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Speaker 1: We also are on YouTube. We have merchandise at Cotton Bureau,

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Speaker 1: and yes we do have a book you can get

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your books. Thanks as always to our

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Speaker 1: super produced Christina executive Priws Maya and your concertor Joey

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Speaker 1: dream Team.

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Speaker 3: Thank you yes, and.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to you for listening. Stuff Never Told You is

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