WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 10/17: Breaking Down Drake Maye's First Start, 3 Up/Down vs. Texans, Jaguars Preview 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.559 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:14.360 Lazar and Alex Bars. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:16.400 And Lazarre. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.920 Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined us always buy our Bara. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:27.440 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. Jam a square 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.960 hole into a round peg. Because your offense is an 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:31.160 under center offense, you. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.960 Can't jam a hole into a peg. So it's nice pegging. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.640 A hole peg into a hole. Yeah, he said, peg, 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:39.360 square peg, round hole. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.880 Yeah there are you just like the worst at preschool? 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:43.080 What do you think? 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:43.480 Yeah? 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.200 Yeah, okay, come on, just making sure you took literally 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.520 the whole toye hitting the one piece. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:51.680 I like how you ended my rant with that. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.560 We're gonna we're gonna cover triangles today now that we 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:56.680 were squares and circles down. 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.240 Maybe you know it was really hard for me. Was 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.840 was coloring between the lines. I could not do that. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:04.240 You know what I was bad with two? 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:06.319 I was like, this is not all twenty two? Like 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:07.959 where's the football? 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.080 You know what I was bad with two? Like art class? 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:12.920 The glue bottle. Yeah, I would just make it like 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:14.360 I had to use a glues stick. They wouldn't let 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.000 me use the glue bottle because I made such a mess. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.360 See we were we were just you know, we were 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.880 ahead of our time. Like now being like people like 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.120 us is like they know what to do with kids 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.039 like us now. Back then they did it and they 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:26.600 were just like, I. 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:27.520 Don't know what that means. 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:27.920 I don't know. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.000 I want you to qualify what that means. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.479 I'm just saying that, you know, somebody like me, I 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:37.319 was not good at school. No, I was terrible at school, 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.840 but I was good at what I liked with like football, 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.640 you know, but I'm not good at like the traditional 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.720 school stuff. And I feel like now they realize, like 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.800 some kids just that they're not BookSmart. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.520 Well you know how there's people that, like remember the 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.200 kids in school that would be like, no, I know it, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.600 I'm just a bad test taker. And then people would 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.440 be like, oh so you're no no, no, But like 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:00.880 I remember like hearing that and somebody be like, oh, 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:02.640 so you're bad of the thing that measures how much 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.880 you know, so you're not It's like, yeah, no, I'm 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:06.880 a bad testinger because I don't know the stuff. Yeah 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.480 that's why. But I just also didn't try you put 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.560 like you know, we used to have was like you'd 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.040 get like sixty math problems in a minute. Yeah, and 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.000 I never could finish it. This isn't like elementary school. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.320 Never could finish it. Put the fifty three players on 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.799 the Patriots roster give me a minute. I I could 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.840 have gotten all those. I'd be done with time. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.359 To spare it exactly. That's that's exactly my point. Thank 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:28.760 you for saying. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.679 I'm not saying now, I'm saying, like back obviously I 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.880 could do it now, but even back then I could 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:33.919 do it well. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.639 Uh Hey, Patriots fans, if you want to see Toyota's 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.320 best offers, including those not seen on TV, go to 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.880 buy at toyota dot com. It's Tyota's official website for 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.520 deals for the official vehicle of the New England Patriots. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.640 Tyota Let's go places and easy to drink, easy to enjoy, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.840 but like the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.800 Hello everybody, Nice to see everyone. That was an interesting open. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.880 I like I like that though, nice cold open for 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.480 us today. But Evan Lazar Alexar Patriots catch twenty two 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.440 with you for the next couple of hours here and 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.440 we're taking calls. We'll get the emails set up here 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.040 in a second. As well, so call on in at 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.600 eight five to five Pats five hundred. We got a 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.120 lot to talk about, though, and I want to start 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:19.000 by looking back as we normally do, and looking specifically 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.800 at Drake May, of course at Shocker and the place. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.760 I want to start with Drake May because on Tuesday, 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.239 we had our typical game recap unfiltered on Tuesday, and 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.200 I'm sure a lot of people heard it. I was 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.960 quite complimentary. I'm sure as you could imagine, I was 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.360 very excited. And when you come off a game like Sunday, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:47.080 where I will tell you point blank, the most exciting 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:52.480 moment of Patriots football in probably three years was Drake 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.520 May's touchdown pass to Kashan Boody before halftime, Like that 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.480 was the first time in probably since Mac Jones's rookie year, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.480 at least maybe even since Brady where I was like, 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.960 holy crap, like you know that is a throw, Like 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.840 that is a franchise quarterback throw. And it was exciting. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.920 And I watched the film on Monday, and that was exciting. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.880 Now that a couple of days have passed and you 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.800 kind of turn the page and all that, I think 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:24.560 there's a lot of conversations about okay, are we just 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:29.280 kind of glossing over the three turnovers, the two picks, 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.200 the fumble, some of the misthrows that he had in 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:36.040 this game, and highlighting just the positives because we're starving 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.920 for positives with this team, especially on the offensive side 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.280 of the ball, and putting our heads in the sand 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.480 and just kind of ignoring the negatives because it's more fun. Frankly, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.480 it's more exciting as a fan. It's more promising as 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.440 a fan. But we talked about this in the draft, 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.680 and this is like a philosophical belief of mine when 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.560 it comes to quarterbacks. I'm gonna try my best articulate 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.240 this better, and I did in my original point about preschool. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:08.960 But I would rather the quarterback where he checks the 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:14.360 physical tools box, and I feel like he checks generally 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.840 checks the mental box of his eyes are in the 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.200 right places, he's making the right reads, he's making good decisions, 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.400 and he has all these physical tools. I would rather 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:28.160 work with that young quarterback. Then I'll give you two examples. 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.120 A quarterback that has all the physical tools, that looks 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.320 great in shorts, that looks great at his pro day, 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.880 but you get him on a field in an NFL 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.720 game and he can't see the defense. He just doesn't 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.640 know what he's looking at. Yes, I knew you were 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.520 going to know my comps already. So I would rather 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.919 have a quarterback like Drake May who checks the physical 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.920 tools box but also seems to have a general understanding 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.320 of how to read coverage, where to go with the 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.039 with the football, how to read out progressions, you know, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.159 all that kind of stuff, than as Zach Wilson, who's 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.360 just really good in shorts right, looks great at the combine, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.520 looks great at his throwing sessions against air. I would 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:09.000 also rather have Drake May over a mac Jones type 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:14.880 who doesn't have the physical skill set necessary to truly 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.840 be a franchise altering guy, but might have some of 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.400 the reads and the decision making and the mental side 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:27.320 of it down. I truly believe that Drake May is 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.520 only going to get better because the things that he 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.240 needs to get better at are things I'm willing to 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:37.200 be patient with him on. It's details, right, it's footwork, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:42.240 it's throwing mechanics. It's not that he looks totally out 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.080 of place playing the position. For one reason or another, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.000 there were the concerning part about the film, if you 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:54.159 want to go concern was that the what I you know, 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.960 we call sprays or like inaccurate throws or wild misses. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:03.400 Those were all over his film at North Carolina. And 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:06.080 it's not fixed yet. Now that doesn't mean it won't 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.479 be in two years, right, But at this point in time, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.920 the Aeron throws were the most of the negative grades 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.240 that I had, you know, graded plays I had for 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:22.960 him were misthrows, not misreads, but wild errant passes, like 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.360 the first interception to Pop Douglas where he just throws 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.160 a ten yards over his head. That is going to 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.760 be prevalent for him. But now that we have this 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.320 archetype out there, of a Drake may type, we have 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.680 seen accuracy developed. It used to be like an old 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.880 quarterback thing back in the day twenty twenty five years ago, 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.920 was that you can't teach accuracy, that that's just something 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.920 that quarterbacks naturally have. Now I feel like we have 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:55.080 enough quarterback We have enough evidence that a Josh Allen, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.240 a Jordan Love, even a Justin Herbert coming out had 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.440 some of these concerns. Those are just three examples. You know, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.760 Patrick mahomes right, and I hate picking up Mahomes because 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.400 he's Mahomes. But this type of archetype, we have enough 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.520 examples that you can fine tune mechanics and you can 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:17.040 develop accuracy and eventually, hopefully he instead of having five 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.320 or six sprays a game, that becomes two or three, 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.200 and then eventually it becomes one or two and then 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.040 hopefully eventually it becomes zero. Right now we're still at 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.440 half a dozen. That's too many. But I still would 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.200 rather work with this type of quarterback. 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.120 Yeah, I mean, I think to your last point, something 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.880 you hit on. Their accuracy and mechanics are tied together, right, 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.880 And that's why there's been this change. It used to 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.199 be a guy would go out there either could throw 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.400 the ballery couldn't, and you were more so coaching how 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.839 to read the field, how to you know, make changes 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.320 at all. Like you weren't coaching the actual mechanics of 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.760 the position. The coaching was pretty much all done on 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.400 the mental side. Now you have teams in house, and 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.640 then also guys like I didn't mean to do this, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.960 but guys like Tom House, right, who are to house 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.600 in house to house Tomhouse. Oh yeah, I didn't need 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.360 to set that up that way. You guys like Jordan Palmer, Tomhouse. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.960 So yeah, I mean accuracy is I don't know that 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.080 it's entirely a product of mechanics, but I would say 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.839 that it's significant slice of the pie when it comes 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.760 to accuracy is due to mechanics. So yeah, they'll clean 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.480 that up. But this is something that I talk about 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:23.800 with players a lot in the draft, not just at 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.679 the quarterback position. I mean, there's there's two kinds of traits. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.120 You can really break pretty much any trait in his 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:33.000 game down to one of two things. It's either natural 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.040 or coachable. There are some traits that guys have that 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.000 you're born with it or or not. And that can 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.199 be physical traits, right That can be speed, that can 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:45.600 be size, that can be you know, agility. It can 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.480 also be mental things like do you have that dog 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.760 in you or not? Like that's not you can't coach 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:54.600 somebody to love football, you can't coach somebody to be tenacious. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.920 And then there's coachable stuff, you know, things like mechanics, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.480 things like like field vision things, field awareness like things 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.920 like that, and just because sometimes there's guys that have 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:06.800 all won not the other and that can go both ways. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.320 And I don't think either one's just qualifying. But for me, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.160 as a general rule of thumb, give me the athletes 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.840 that love football. I'd rather turn an athlete who loves 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.360 football into a football player, right then try to turn 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.280 a guy who knows exactly what to do but doesn't 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.920 have the physical ability to necessarily do it as consistently 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.160 as he needs to. Some of those guys work out. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.240 Like there's some guys at the wide receiver position that maybe, 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.160 like throughout the history of the game, not just right now, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.640 that aren't like nth tier athletes, but have still had 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.480 very successful careers because they're so technically sound. There's some 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.320 linemen too that maybe like aren't the biggest, strongest guys, 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:45.040 but their technique is so good that they make it work. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.040 But again, as a role thumb for me especially, you know, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.360 and you talk about this with Drake May, the things 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.440 that Drake May can do at a high level, and 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.640 you compare them to Mac Shown's right, there are things. 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.120 I know people are gonna roll their eyes at this, 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:58.560 but coming out of college, there are things Mac Jones 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.600 was doing at high level. There were things you can 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.160 coach somebody to do. The things that he in theory 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.280 needed to get better at. He just wasn't going to 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.439 get better at because it was stuff that you're either 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.640 born with you or nine. R. Drake May has a 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.480 lot of natural things that you can't coach, you can't teach, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.160 you can't develop in the on the practice field, in 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.480 the weight room, in the film room, whatever that. There's 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.320 still some other stuff that needs to be rounded out. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.920 But what's become very clear is those physical traits that 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:27.679 you know, you drool over on the film and a 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.880 lot of people will say, well, who he plays in 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.319 the ACC. You know it's not gonna look the same 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.840 in the NFL. No, those all translate to the NFL. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.440 That's what's been clear to this point. Now, it's just 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.240 like you said, the mechanics, seeing the field better, things 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.640 like that, that comes with time. It's not you shouldn't 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.599 expect it to happen right away. It's not going to 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.840 happen right away. It does need to happen eventually. I'm talking. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:51.600 You know, you gave two years. I think you want 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.920 to see most of the development happen over the first 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.120 two years and then you really start honing in on things. 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.440 But I think that to me is the biggest takeaway 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.160 from Drake May not just in this game, but to 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:05.080 this point, the physical tools, the mental, the mental and 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:10.480 physical natural tools are real, They translate and they play 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:11.360 at the NFL level. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.280 You use a word that I like, disqualifying. I still 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:20.040 haven't seen anything whether it was on his college film, 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.520 training camp, preseason, and now one career start under his belt. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.120 I still haven't seen anything from Drake May where I 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.680 say that's disqualifying, like that is he is going to 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:37.000 fail if that doesn't improve, or to your point, well 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.160 about like a mac Jones type, he just doesn't. He 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.839 wasn't born with the arm talent. It's just not gonna 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:43.960 that's going to be disco. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.600 You're push back on that. I do think there are 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.720 things like you can't turn the ball over three times again, Yep, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.400 that's disqualifying. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.480 Right, But why was he turning it over one? We'll 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.280 get to those on him. Yeah, we'll get to it 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:57.360 one and a half through head. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.160 But I guess here's my point, Like, there are things 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:01.720 he needs to get better at. There are things that 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:06.080 if they become patterns, he's not the guy. But all 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.720 of those things are things that like realistically and regularly 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.720 guys improve at once they get into the league, Like 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:18.000 accuracy improves, pocket presence improves. Let's just seeing more football. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.200 So the Tom Brady answers to the test, as he 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.280 gets more answers, he's going to improve in that regard. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.760 It's not that I didn't see anything like. It's not 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.400 that I looked at it and said, if he plays 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.920 that game every week, they have a stud No. But 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:32.760 I look at it and I say, all right, The 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.800 things I'm most concerned about are things I've seen a 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.640 lot of quarterbacks improve on over their first two years 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.400 in the league. And assuming that they can get him 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.880 on that path, then there are some other special tools 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:45.840 in there to build around. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.120 So I want to I want to go we went, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.400 we went macro. Now I want to go micro with this. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.760 And I understand that, you know, if you want to 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.480 go read it on Patriots dot com and listen to 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.360 my commentary watching the film back, that's the visual side 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.120 of it is on and after further review on Patriots 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.160 dot com. But I broke up the plays into plus 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.240 and minus plays, and I'll just say this off the top. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.040 Everybody has a different criteria, right, so I'm probably not 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.160 as harsh of a greater as some other people are, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.720 and that's totally fine. I don't want this to be 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.720 like a shot at anybody or anything like that. But 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.440 I want to go through some of the plus plays 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.960 that I had on here that were particularly I was 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.680 the word exciting to me, and then I want to 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.400 go through some of the minuses that you were just 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:36.920 talking about a little bit as well. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.600 Can we start here because I'm curious. I just want 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.520 to ask you this because I feel like there's like 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.480 three or four different answers to this question that are 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:47.360 going around to regularly. What was the most impressive throw 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.440 he made or the most eye popping throw or the 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.240 most encouraging throw in your mind in that game? 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:59.520 It's a good question, I would I would say the 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.520 best throw is still the booty touchdown. But that's a 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.600 throw that I guess we knew he had in his bag, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.040 So I understand that side that piece of it. I've 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.400 heard that and I understand that piece of it. I 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.880 would actually say that the throw that encouraged me the most, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.760 and this was I was gonna go here first so 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.080 we can just talk about it was the drive starter 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.800 at the two you know, under two minutes at the 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.960 end of the half to Pop Douglas, because that's a 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.760 throw that is his fourth read in the progression. He 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.120 starts on the left hand side, goes through two reads 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.680 over there, comes back backside. When he comes back backside 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.360 on that progression, he's actually like really supposed to hit 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.200 that backside dig route that's also not there, and so 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.520 he progresses all the way to the fourth read across 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.920 the field to Douglas. Not only is that showing some 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:50.360 mental you know, strength right there by progressing you know, 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.560 in a full few of progression, but you also watch 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.760 him throw from a muddy pocket with people collapsing around 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:03.360 him and people at his feet. From an air distance perspective, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.600 next next gen track that as a twenty six yard 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.600 throw coming across the field at the Douglas. So you 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.520 have the mental side of it, if you are into 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.400 that sort of thing, you also have the physical side 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.680 of There just aren't that many quarterbacks that can make 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.760 that throw. Like, there's a lot of quarterbacks that try 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.920 that throw and it's a pick six the other direction. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.280 Yeah. Kendrick Borne talked about this earlier today that when 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.600 they get into these scramble drill modes, you're taught to 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.960 run with the quarterback. And what that means is he's 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.360 rolling right, you break off your route, you go right. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.360 If he's left, you break on ther right. What he 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.640 said is with Drake May and he's whatever. They're not 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.320 coaching it this way, but it's kind of just a 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.840 situational thing, you know, in a moment. And this happened 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.800 on the Hunter Henry completion, which I'm sure we'll get to. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.960 You can break away from Drake May on the scrambles 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.040 and still be in the play, yeah, because he has 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.840 the ability to make those throws, which to your point. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.520 I don't remember if Pop broke away from him on 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.920 that throw, kind of drifts into the sideline like a 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.720 like really nice job by him. It's zone coverage, and 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.040 he kind of feels that that zone defenders, like because 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.320 Drake's eyes are to the left and into the middle 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.880 of the field, so the zone defender kind of drifts 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.840 in that way, and so Pop just naturally kind of 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.440 like gravitates off of it and you know, moves out 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:24.080 into the open space, and I just I love the read. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:28.320 Like obviously the progression is awesome and a progression under 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.239 some pressure too, right, but more importantly, that is just 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.560 a throw that the Patriots have not had in their bag, Like, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.640 that's not something that the Patriots, that was not offense 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.200 for the Patriots before this, you know, putting Drake may 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.080 in the starting lineup, so that gets the whole drive started, 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.560 it wouldn't have been a drive. It wouldn't have ended 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.399 in a forty yard touchdown to Kaishan Boodie if he 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.120 doesn't hit the twenty two yard er. What's your favorite throw? 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.800 So I thought the most encouraging one was the touchdown 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.600 to Pop late in the game. And I mean, first 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.080 of all, like it, it's a good throw. He puts 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.080 some zip on the ball, there's some distance on it, 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.159 he hits some right and stride. But it's more with 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.399 that throw. It's more taking that throw in the context 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.600 of the whole game in the season, because one he 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.960 missed that throw or at least a very similar throw 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.040 twice before. The first pick he threw was on a 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.159 similar concept. And then I think it was like the 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:30.359 drive before, it's it goes as a completion but should 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.800 have had the same touchdown. But it was behind right 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.440 like you said, and Pope's kind of jump up and 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.000 grab it. And he gets tackled. So you go from 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:42.040 it's picked off to it gets there, but it's out 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.320 of the frame of the body to like perfect like 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.840 Pop does not break shrine, it's right there, and that 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:54.520 is all right. Kids, got a short memory. He's learning 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.720 on the fly, he's adjusting, he's improving on the fly 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.800 like you. I'm a big short memory guy when it 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.399 comes to quarterbacks that you cannot dwell on mistakes. You 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.719 have to learn from mistakes. And the other thing is, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.479 and I talked about this going into the game. For 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:11.240 this offense to hit whatever its ceiling is, and maybe 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.919 the ceiling is relatively lower because of other things, but 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.240 you still want to hit the ceiling regardless where the 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.439 ceiling's at. Pop Douglas needs to be a part of 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.600 this offense for it to hit its ceiling. Because the 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:24.000 deep ball, even with Drake May, there're gonna be limitations 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:25.840 on the deep ball because of the protection and you're 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.800 just not gonna have time to access it. So for 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.760 explosive players are gonna have to be guys making plays 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.960 with ball in their hands, which Pop Douglas is better 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.760 than anybody else on this offense. Jacoby and Pop never 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.200 really seem to get on the same page, and it 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.439 hurt the offense as a whole. You see what happens 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.200 now when the quarterback is looking regularly to Pop Douglas 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.879 and on a play like that, like that kind of 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.639 thing that cross or to Pop Douglas needs to be 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.679 a core part of the Patriots offense. So that's why 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.000 I love that throat, not just because it was a 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.760 good throw itself, but it's like it's so many boxes 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.879 you're looking for big termari short memory improvement, getting on 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.679 the same page as a keywide receiver. Like I just 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.679 thought that throw. Give me that, Like, give me that 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:07.840 once a game, you know what I mean. 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:08.720 Oh yeah, like that. 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.160 Not not that I'm saying, don't give me the Kishaw 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.840 Booney throw once a game, but that's a play that's 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.720 realistically going to be available to you one, two, three 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:18.320 times a game. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:18.760 Yeah. 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.800 And if you can hit it right, they ran it 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:22.520 three times, they hit it once. If you can start 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.520 hitting that play twice a game, like, you're in great shape. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.840 Yeah. So I agree with so much of what you 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:32.359 said because that throw and we talk about this and 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.960 we kind of joke about it a lot. Unfiltered Paul 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:36.800 has this thing where it's like, does it look like 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:37.560 an NFL play? 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:37.960 Yeah? 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.679 Right? Does it like not like this like discombobulated and 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:45.760 you just kind of stumbled or lucked into a completion? Right? 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:46.119 Like? 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.320 Does it look like an actual NFL play the way 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.000 that they drew draw it up in the playbook and 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.200 on the whiteboard or whatever cliche you want to use. 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:59.280 And that Pop Douglas touchdown was the receiver beating his 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.840 man and man to man coverage, the protection holding up 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.640 long enough for Drake May to get the ball out 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.439 against the blitz and Drake May just putting it on 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.879 his receiver and stride for a touchdown Like that was 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:14.679 NFL offense. And one of the things that I didn't 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.040 necessarily care if I saw it, but didn't want to 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.360 see was like every single throw being the Hunter Henry 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.399 offscript play because I know to see that. No, No, 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.119 I wanted to see it once or twice. But if 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.639 it was, if all of his production was just that 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.600 then and all the actual like in rhythm instructure stuff 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:35.760 was messy, I would have been like, all right, well 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.600 that how replicable is that going to be? The touchdown 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:43.119 of Booty the throw to Pop Douglas on the other touchdown, 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.399 even the touchdown passed to Hunter Henry, which I know 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.520 is to an open receiver like on on sort of 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.639 a bus. But like those are NFL plays Like that 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.280 looked like NFL offense and that was super encouraging. There 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:55.920 was a couple of other plays I wanted to bring 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:57.960 up on the plus side, and then we'll get to 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:00.560 some of the minuses. We can talk about the you know, 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:02.560 I just mentioned it, so we'll just talk about it. Yeah, 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.520 the Henry offscript plays. We all were waiting for that one, right, 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:10.520 one sort of scramble drill improv type of play. What 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.240 And I posted it on on my my x account. 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.360 I posted on my Twitter What I love so much 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:19.959 about the offscript play to Henry is that he tries 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:23.520 to play in structure and on time and his reads 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:27.280 are are covered right, so he actually doesn't force the 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.879 ball into coverage. He almost gets covered two trapped on 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:32.720 one side of the field, Like a lot of young 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.439 quarterbacks make that throw thinking that it's like, you know, 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.240 this the corner is is going up the field, you know, 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.960 whether it's like you know, cover three or quarters or 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.680 something like that, and they have the flat he gets 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.439 trapped on the on that side of the field, and 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:47.720 he doesn't throw into the trap. He pulls it down 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.080 and says, oh wait, that's not open, and then he 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:51.960 goes ahead and makes a play. So it's not again, 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.919 it's not like instantaneous. I don't know what I'm looking at. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.320 I'm just gonna start running around. That was like a 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.560 true I'm gonna go through my progression. I gonna stay 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.520 in the pocket. Okay, there's nothing there. Now, let's go 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.040 make a play. And that was really encouraging to me 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:10.120 on that one. I would say that late in the game, 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.880 and I know that this is kind of in garbage 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.800 time and whatever, but he had two really good throws 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:20.160 late in the game. One of them was Takeishan Bouti 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.680 on a corner route where he kind of pump fakes 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.920 the corner off and throws the corner out. That type 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:27.840 of stuff, you know I mentioned earlier, the pop play 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.320 before the half, the progression, the full field progression, pump 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:35.040 faking or like manipulating zone coverages and like moving defenders 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.359 with either pumps or your eyes or your kid whatever 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.919 your body language, like whatever it is. That's advanced stuff 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:43.879 like that's not like rookies don't just roll out of 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:46.280 bed and do that kind of stuff already. So his 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.520 feel for Okay, I have cover two, I have the flat, 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.639 and I have the corner. If I pump to the 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:53.879 flat and I get the corner to jump the flat, 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.600 I'm gonna rip the corner behind his head like that is. 0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:02.320 That's a real advanced NFL trow that I'm gonna you know, 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.480 I'm gonna to victory lap a little bit. There was 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.800 a lot of people that told me that he wasn't 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:09.560 capable yet of doing those types of things. 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:11.200 I mean, how do we know he was. He would 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:12.720 have gone out there week one and done that. I'm 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.520 not saying, hell I do that, you know me? 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.320 I would. I think he was doing that in North Carolina. 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.000 I'm just saying that the sit Drake May crowd, the 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.480 especially from like the national media, the sit Drake May 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.840 crowd was telling me that this is a raw, just 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.320 physical marvel, but he doesn't know how to play quarterback. 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.360 Yeah, to be clear, let me just clear it. There 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.800 were because I've been getting this this week, there were 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.600 two different sit Drake May crowds. Yes, there was sit 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:43.280 Drake May. Because he's a project. Yeah, and there was 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.560 sit Drake May because the rest of the team isn't ready. 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:47.639 So I'm not to specify which crowd you're talking to him. 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.680 I'm talking to the the sit Drake May because he's 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.400 a project. Okay, I'll just name names, like I'm talking 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:55.880 about the Dan Orlovsky's that were saying that this guy 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.000 needs to sit for three years because he doesn't know 0:24:58.040 --> 0:24:58.880 how to play quarterback. 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.080 He's a great thrower, he's athlete, but he doesn't. 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.320 Know what And I'm with you on this. Those people 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.639 were you know, I was in the camp of, well, 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:07.360 the offensive line is a message, right, so you can't 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.159 put him out there yet those people find yeah, he 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:11.240 was ready though he was ready. 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.280 Yeah. The people that thought that he wasn't going to 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:15.600 be able to read coverages, that he wasn't going to 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.239 be able to go through progressions, that he wasn't going 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.040 to be consistently accurate enough to put up numbers like 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.800 that type of stuff, they were all proven wrong in 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.080 one game. And it's one game, and maybe it all 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:28.520 snowballs on them, but there was too much evidence on 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:30.720 the film of him doing stuff like the throw to 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.560 Booty that I just I don't think that, uh, And 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:37.560 I mean the second throw, the corner route throw, the progressions, 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.600 you know, getting all the way to his check downs 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.800 on a couple third downs, to Antonio Gibson getting to 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.639 Pop on that one play before halftime. Like there was 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.119 too much of that for me to sit here and 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:51.080 say that those people, like those people are crazy like that. 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:53.679 You thought you had to sit for two years like 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:57.159 he's already doing this kind of stuff and start number one, uh, 0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.960 off the soapbox. Now the last one, I would say, 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:05.600 late in the game, fourth down and he throws it 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.560 out to Pop Douglas, that old friend Miles Bryant tried 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.640 to jump because he's throwing it from the far hash 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:15.320 all the way across the field on fourth down. That's 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.280 a throw again, like kind of like the other one 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.160 to Pop. A lot of quarterbacks get picked six there, 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.400 Like a lot of quarterbacks can't get the ball out 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.880 out there like that. It almost looked like it took 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.720 Bryant by surprise, like, oh God, like this ball, this 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:32.200 ball's by me right. That was a really impressive throw 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.680 late in this game as well. He got much better 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.600 as the game war went on. But in general, I 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.720 would just say, some of the nuanced quarterback stuff that 0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:45.440 he was doing already speaks to that crowd. This guy 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.640 needs to sit, this guy needs to watch. It's gonna 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:50.439 take a year or two for him to be ready. 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:54.119 I think we all know now that all that stuff 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:57.760 was crazy. That's the plus side. Is there anything else 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.680 on the plus side that you wanted to mention before 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.560 we move over to the minus? 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.199 Just his his rushing ability. I mean, it wasn't just 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:05.879 picking up the yards that were given to him. I 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:07.400 thought he created some yards on his own. 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:10.440 Yeah, the fifteen yard scramble was really nice, Like there's 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:12.760 nobody open and he and he just made a play happen, 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.479 and then he picked one up on fourth down lay 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:15.000 in the game. 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.280 I'd like to see. And I guess this is more 0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:21.160 of an Alyx fan Pelt thing than a Drake may thing. 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:23.720 Like I get why you maybe didn't have any design 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:27.040 runs for him in that game specifically. Yeah, but moving forward, 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.880 whether it's Reid options or just outright like QB power, 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.480 QB zone whatever, especially on like goal line short yardage 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:35.320 like when yeah, which which they didn't have a ton of. 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.639 But yeah, like let's let's get the kid's legs involvedmore. Now, 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:40.639 that's I think that that should be on the table. 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:43.880 Yeah, absolutely, I was watching. It was that Monday Night football, 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:47.840 Bill's Jets, right Monday Night football. Yeah, and the last 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.160 the last official play of the game before the kneel downs, 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.520 and then it was third down and gotta have it 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.919 for Buffalo to avoid punting the ball back to the Jets, 0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.399 and they run like a zone read with Josh Allen. 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.200 It wasn't like it it just in that situation. I'm 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.040 not No one wants him to be Lamar Jackson and 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.159 start running the ball ten to fifteen times a game. No, 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.800 just like a couple in right, those high leverage situations. 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.520 They allowed Josh Allen to just go pick up the 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:16.800 first down with his legs, and that's definitely on the table. 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.959 Now for Drake May, that's a good point to bring up. 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.320 All right, let's go to the minuses. So I had 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.919 nine minus plays in this game for Drake May. And 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:26.760 we can do this every week if people like it. 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.000 You know, this is how I do it. I usually 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.000 don't peel back the curtain this much. But he's a 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.240 rookie quarterback and we're all excited. So I decided to 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.879 write it up and share it this week. So I 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:41.520 had nine minus plays for him. The encouraging part was 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.600 that only three of those nine were mental errors in 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.040 my mind. Yeah, six of them were physical, And by 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:49.640 physical I mean Aaron throws, So he had he had 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:50.480 six sprays. 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:52.600 So you're talking about like when you say mentally, you 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:54.560 basically mean like he made the wrong read to make 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:55.200 the wrong decision. 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.280 Yeah, yeah, you know, we didn't make the right reads, 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.080 didn't get the ball out on time, you know that 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.720 sort of stuff. And we'll get to those. So my 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.440 six physical errors, I can just rapid fire through them here. 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.280 The first interception is obviously a physical error, you know, 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:12.600 sales the ball over pop Douglas's head. I had one 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:14.720 play early on in this game where I felt like 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:16.840 he caused his own pressure, got a little bit antsy 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:20.480 in the pocket and ran into pressure. On third down 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.920 early on in this game, Austin Hooper is open over 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.680 the middle of the field and he missed the throw. Now, 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.320 he might have thought that Hooper was gonna sit. There 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.160 could have been more of like a miscommunication there than 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.600 like a physical error. But I put it down as 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.920 physical because I'm not inside his head. So I don't 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.960 know what he was thinking on the play. You mentioned 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.600 this one earlier. He had a third down throw to 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:44.840 Pop Douglas on a crossing grout that he just flat 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.640 out missed that was down backed up inside there on 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:52.360 twenty five and he just flat out misses. You mentioned 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.840 this one as well. He missed behind Pop Douglas on 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.440 a throw on a crossing route that should have been 0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:00.760 a big play. Left yards on the field on that one. 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.520 And then my last one was wide left on a 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.840 hitch to Jamichael Hasty in the flat, just airmailed it, 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:12.120 just missed the throw. So those are my six physical errors. 0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:17.360 My three mental were the illegal man downfield penalty early 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.560 on in this game on a screen that to me 0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.080 is on the quarterback liked you either had to throw 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:23.360 it or you have to throw it away. But he 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.960 held the ball and that's what caused the penalty. So 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.719 I put that on him. I put at least a 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.480 little bit of the strip sack on him. I felt 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.560 like he had open receivers, especially keish On Booty in 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.240 the left sidelight on a hitch that he could have 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:39.240 gotten the ball kind of double pumped on that one 0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:41.680 and held the ball a little bit too long, and 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:43.920 then there was one to late in the game. Another 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.760 the last sack where I felt like he had a 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.320 check down to Antonio Gibson and got caught with his 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:51.960 eyes of the field. So those are my three physical, mental, 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:54.680 excuse me errors in this game. Couple of the sacks. 0:30:54.720 --> 0:31:00.440 Obviously the turnovers that sort of thing, But I I 0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.360 think the biggest thing when I look at these errors 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:06.920 and just just kind of spin it forward, so a 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.040 lot of those are spray throws, right, like a lot 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:13.280 of those are missthrows. And as we move forward here 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.719 with this offense with Drake May, I look at what 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.800 he did last week against Houston against man coverage. Specifically, 0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.560 he had six completions for one hundred and ten yards 0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:27.200 and two touchdowns against man coverage. He also had a 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.040 couple scrambles against man coverage that were positive plays for 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:35.560 the Patriots. I don't think moving forward that teams are 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.440 going to be able to sit in man coverage anymore 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.320 against the Pats. I think Drake May, if you give 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.960 him man to man and you show him the matchups 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.040 that he has, he's gonna shred you. He's gonna absolutely 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.160 shred you. So that's a positive, yeah, but the negative 0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:51.920 side or not even the negative, but just like this 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.320 is the other big thing for me with him moving forward. 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.760 We saw this with mac Mack was great for the 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.400 first what ten games of his rookie then all of 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.920 a sudden, defenses started to adjust, They started to adjust 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:08.080 to his playing style, and he never matt could never 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:12.720 counter from the adjustment. So the counter to Drake May's 0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.520 playing style. If you sit in man to man against 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:19.200 the Patriots, they had a forty yard touchdown, a thirty 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:23.560 five yard touchdown, a seventeen yard completion, a fifteen yard run. 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.760 Like we're talking about explosive place given up against man 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:28.960 to man. That's what it's gonna look like every single 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.160 week if you try to man up against the Pats. Now, 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:33.760 my guess is is that teams are gonna start to 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.760 back off, they're gonna play more zone coverage, and they're 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:38.600 gonna force him to sit in the pocket and pick 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:40.880 them apart at the first two levels. So when we 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:44.160 talk about these misthrows or the spray is like, that's 0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.440 where that I think can be exacerbated is if teams 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.880 are gonna say, you're gonna have to hit these tight 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.520 zone windows at the first two levels of the defense, 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.800 and you're gonna have to be consistently accurate throwing the 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.200 ball into coverage. That's where we don't think that you're 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.320 gonna be great. That's gonna be the test, like can 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:06.640 he adjust to that. I'm not necessarily as concerned about 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:08.560 the mental errors because I think that those were rookie 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:12.720 mistakes a lot of the time. But assuming that he 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:17.080 doesn't get to all the sort of Aaron throws fixed quickly, 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.520 which I don't think he will because it was there 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.680 at North Carolina and it was there already. Now that 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.160 teams are gonna start to do that, they're gonna see 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.600 can you be consistently accurate from the pocket? Is gonna 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.080 now be the game plan on Drake May I think. 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.440 For me the big thing just in terms of the negatives. 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.520 Remember in camp, like the first week, so a lot 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.120 of those misses, a lot of those sprays, they were long, 0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:42.440 they were high, like they were overthrown. Yeah, he didn't 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:44.960 underthrow any passes. They were all overthrown. If you go 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:46.640 back to the early days of training camp, it was 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.360 the same thing when he came out and struggled that 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.959 first week everything was overthrown. And I remember saying at 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.720 the time, like the kids clearly just jacked up. You know, 0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.360 first NFL training camp. He's got the adrenaline going, he's 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.120 probably got some society going, and you know, he's pushing it. 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.360 And I think you saw it. He kind of said 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:05.840 that that's what happened to him in this game, that 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.399 like he needed to settle down because most of those 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.040 misses were early or the ones that happened later. We're 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:14.919 in big spots, right, third downs, things like that. He's 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.880 just got to learn to like settle down and you 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.759 know control you know, controls, heart rate, control, the adrenaline, 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.560 things like that, because do some breathing exercise, breathing excite. 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.080 I wasn't gonna go there, but yeah, but like that, 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.319 that to me is like can he just And I 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.799 know that sounds dumb, but it's fair. 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.320 The first one, the interception, the first pack with Pop Douglas, 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:37.360 to me was a direct correlation of he's amped up. 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.640 Right and it's early on and I know it sounds dumb, 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.399 and I know it sounds simple, just like calm down, 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:45.279 but like this is what the great quarterbacks can do. 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:49.920 This is essentially what I guess it's not really qualifying it, 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.000 but it's sort of qualifying with clutches, right. Don't let 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.680 the moment consume you, don't let the moment be too 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.200 big for you. Level headed, It's just like every other 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:02.279 snap you've taken, high school, call, practice, whatever, and that's 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:03.759 gonna be the next steffort. And I'm not saying you 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.880 shouldn't play with passion, like he has a ton of 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.800 passion and that helps him and he should continue playing 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.440 with it, but it's it's controlled passion. Like this is 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.200 where I don't want to put Tom Brady up as 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:16.319 a standard for the kid because it's impossible to reach 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.360 or we allowed to talk about other teams owners on 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:23.360 the show. I just breaking any rules here like Brady. 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.080 And some people pointed this is why Brady wasn't good 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.800 at the beginning of Super Bowls, because he was maybe 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.160 too jacked up because that gay like those games are 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.399 so special to him. But for the most part, Tom 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:38.480 Brady was cool, calm, collected first minute of the season opener, 0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:40.440 two minutes to go in the Super Bowl, in the 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:44.440 tie game, and it was that same level of intensity throughout. 0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.439 And that's what Drake may again just Drake May get 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.919 to the Tom Brady level of it, Probably not, because 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.399 I don't think anybody has ever gotten to that Tom 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.040 Brady level of just balance. I mean it's one of 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.400 his truly for a guy that has a lot of 0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.640 elite traits, that is an elite of an elite trade 0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.279 for him. But it's something May is going to have 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.640 to chase where he just kind of has this level 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.560 headedness as the game goes on in this find the 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.919 level of intensity that he can play at where he's 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:14.080 locked in, he's engaged, he's playing with passion, but it's 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.319 not hurting him and he's gonna have to kind of 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:17.919 figure that out over the course of this year. 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.120 Yeah. So, you know, we talked to him on Wednesday, 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:26.319 and some of the conversations, you know, I had tried 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.480 to point him in the direction of like heay that 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.719 throat of Booty was pretty darn good, right, and his 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:35.279 lament was about the bad place, and I like, I 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:36.000 kind of love that. 0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.480 Well though those are two different things. Yeah, Like you 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:43.920 can be your own harshest critic. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:45.480 relate those two, Like I'm. 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.400 Not relating to what you were saying. I'm just saying, 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.400 like you're talking about the mental side of it and 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.279 like kind of getting yourself more you know, even killed 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.520 or whatever you want to call it. Uh what I 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.839 I really there's been a lot of praise for his 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.000 play in this game on Sunday, and people you know 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.160 at your station who are on my side, so I 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:08.200 shouldn't you know, pick fights. But people on your station 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.799 are saying, you know, everybody's just glossing over a lot 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.120 of the negatives. Yeah, and just Drake May is not 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:16.520 glossing over the negatives like Drake May is. Like we 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.600 lost by twenty points. I turned the ball over three times, 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.520 but even if the last you know, one off the 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:24.520 tip wasn't necessarily my fall like that, that's what they're 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.759 talking about, you know. He said at the podium on 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.319 Wednesday that he thought he saw it well, he just 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:32.840 missed some throws, and I thought that that was really accurate, 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.000 Like that was exactly what was on the film, Like 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:38.080 he was seeing it. He was his eyes were all 0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:41.120 in the right places at all times, he was going 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.440 the right places with the football. He just flat out 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.440 missed some throws. And I'm, like I said earlier at 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.480 the top of the show. I'm just so willing to 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.200 work with that guy, right, the guy that just you know, 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:53.680 we got to hone him in, We got to get 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:55.960 him more less amped up. I asked him, you know why, 0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:58.080 he said, I missed some throws. Asked him why, why 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.560 do you feel like that was and he said he 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:02.440 felt like he was jacked up, like he was he 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:06.120 was hyped up. Especially he pointed to the Douglas interception 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.759 at the top of the first you know, first one 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.200 at the beginning of the game and just said that 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:14.680 he was amped up. And you know, that's hopefully something 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.040 that first career start, you're just kind of have jitters, right, 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.800 and maybe that that dies down a little bit moving forward. 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.600 I'm also kind of lamenting, like he felt like he 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.759 took too many sacks in this game and he should 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.439 have gotten the ball out more than he did. Uh So, 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.799 I like all the messaging and all the things that 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:34.040 he's that he said, no limp, right, we can we 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.960 can say that at practice, no brace, no limp on 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.920 the knees, So that that's good news as well. Is 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:40.960 there anything else on Drake? 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:41.120 May? 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.279 I feel like we we unpacked it pretty good, but 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:46.040 I I I don't think I have anything else until 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:48.040 we get to the Jaguars, which I will talk about 0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:48.799 here in a few minutes. 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:54.200 With Drake. Uh, no delay game penalties. 0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:57.239 No delay games like the operation had smooth. He had 0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.560 one under center snap that was a little bit wonky, 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:00.799 you know for a first. 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.799 We'll get to Ben Brown, but like, yeah, no, for 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.480 the circumstances that that we're there, I have no problem 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.600 with the Snake. I just remember there were there were 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.440 concerns about him, like you know, the play calls are 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.400 gonna be too long. He never called plays in a 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:17.680 huddle with the headset and things like that. Uh, nothing 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:22.000 in that. I didn't see that like kind of in 0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:23.960 my face right during this game. 0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:26.359 Yep. Absolutely, all right, let's do three up, three down, 0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.160 and then we'll take the phones and we'll we'll get 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.719 into the Jaguars a little bit as well. So let's 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.000 start with the ups, start with the positives as we 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:37.080 normally do. Who is your number one up in this game? 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.080 My number one? Well, we talked about this before, like 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.480 you're you're gonna cover? Are we doing like Drake may Aside? 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:47.719 Since we just did Drake may Aside? Yeah, wait, did 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:48.560 my phone erase it? 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:52.000 I did this earlier. Oh my god, I'm do it again. 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.640 Don't lie to me. You forgot or did that. 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.080 No, Evan I stood next to in the locker room earlier. 0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.279 We were doing it. My phone didn't save it, all right, whatever, 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.279 I just oh wait, oh, I have two up down 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.839 notes in my phone. That's why that's weird. I don't 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.319 know I have that all right. 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:07.640 Uh. 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:09.600 Up number one, I kind of already. Uh you know, 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:11.200 I'm gonna make that up number two, Up number one. 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.640 Ben Brown nice for everything Drake May. Usually I'm the 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.879 guy for everything Drake May did in that game on Sunday. Yeah, 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.399 pound for pound, Ben Brown was the most impressive player 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.000 on the field for the Patriots. Yeah, I'm okay saying that, 0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:26.279 like not to say Drake May was bad. Ben Brown 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.120 was the most impressive player to show up on two 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:33.960 days notice. Center a line that is already patchwork, with 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.840 a guy making his first career start behind you, in 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.680 a system that is heavily predicated on the center making 0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.000 sure things go right pre snap against one of the 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:46.840 best pass rushing teams in the league, and not not 0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:48.680 a guy that's like a veteran either. He played I 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.920 think eight NFL snaps. Yeah, before Sunday, all at guard. 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:54.680 That's unfreaking believable. 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.839 Man, Yes, and I think get tested much like and 0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:01.279 I don't. The bar was on the floor, So in 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:04.920 full disclosure, because I'm with you, full disclosure. Pregame, I 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.480 was freaking out were I was freaking out and I 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:09.480 was freaking out to you and I was like, what 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:12.759 the heck are they doing? This is his first career start. Like, 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.560 even if nick Levert's like not very good at football, 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.040 at least he's been here since training camp and he's 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:19.879 been you know, he's been in this offense and he's 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:22.480 been at these practices. And he actually worked a lot 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.360 with Drake May over the summer because he was the 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.440 backup center, so he took a lot of snaps with 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.200 Drake May and I was like, this is this is 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.640 not good, Like this is not a good decision. And 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:35.400 then he get into the game, and so much kudos 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:37.600 go to Ben Brown, So much kudos to go to 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.400 I know they get a lot of flak, but Scott 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.160 Peters and Kugler and all those guys to get him 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:47.319 ready to play in this game, huge props because all 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.160 of us were like, holy crap, what are they doing? 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.240 And may a cople on that like they he was better, 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:54.960 he was better than I should say. 0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:57.920 Let me add Peters in Coogler to the list as 0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:01.520 well of ops with this and I I know there 0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.239 was kind of some narrative out there this week about well, 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.040 you know, the line wasn't great at the beginning, but 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.800 they keep finding guys. Does the staff deserve more credit 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.320 than they're getting. I don't know about the front office, 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.560 because the front office still put them in this spot. 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:23.080 Peters Coogler, who's third offensive line coach and blacking the 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.799 guy from Brown. Yeah, anyway, we should know the names. 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:28.560 I should know that name. I want to make sure 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:30.960 I get it because he deserves a credit. The fact 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:34.400 that I'm actually incredibly high on Scott Peters just for 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:38.000 the season as a whole. From what we've seen. 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:42.799 There's definitely moments happening, maybe even a little bit more 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:44.680 the last couple of weeks that I've seen. 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:48.400 Michael McCarthy, that's so Scott Peters, Robert Ruey, Michael McCarthy. 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.000 It's been six combinations in six weeks. Is going to 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.600 be seven to seven this week in Jacksonville? Do you 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.560 know how many linemen there are healthy on the active 0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:01.719 roster that were with the team in camp? Five? Yeah, 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:06.640 four guards and Veeri four guards and no I think 0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:10.680 it's all No, it's just four. It's not a tackle. Oh, 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.160 I don't know if I'm counting low or not. I 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:13.720 gonna go back and double check that. But the point 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.600 being like they had seventeen linemen in the start of camp. 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:22.520 The guys who are still here, Jordan low when who Robinson? 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:23.200 So? 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:24.160 Yeah? 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:27.359 Jordan low On when Robinson so? So? For their health? 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.600 Counting right, four that are healthy and all guards and 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.960 the fact that and it hasn't been pretty, but how 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.600 many times we come away from these games saying how 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.120 much better? And I thought it would even if it 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:38.680 wasn't good. 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:39.160 Yeah. 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.800 Ton of credit to the offensive line coaching staff to 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.040 the point where now I'm like, well, what's gonna happen 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.520 When they get like five NFL caliber players across the 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:51.360 board and it's that same group week after week after week, 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.800 they may be able to really put something together. Right. 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.759 So Ben Brown deserves a ton of credit and the 0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:59.000 offensive line coaching staff deserves a ton of credit because 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.319 what happened. Here's the clearest way you can put it. 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.600 What happens Sunday should not have happened. Then Brown should 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.759 not have had that kind of performance. The fact that 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:08.560 he shouldn't have had to play, He should have had 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.960 to play. But the fact that he did that kind 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:14.319 of performance is so far above and beyond expectations. He 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.360 and the coaching staff deserve so much credit. 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.400 Okay, So I agree with a lot of what you said. Now, 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.520 run blocking wise, they were. 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.080 Bad, Well, they were bad. We'll get to the running 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.120 game a little bit. We didn't disagree with me, but. 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:30.359 They did not take They did not block well in 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:34.239 this game. So that's a piece of it. The other 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.840 piece and kind of victory lap a little bit again. 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.360 So I had them with a thirty three percent pressure 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:42.160 rate allowed. It's the lowest of any game this season. 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.160 I do not think it's a coincidence that the quarterback 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:46.560 change and now all of a sudden they have a 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:50.400 low pressure rate with a bunch of backups with Vederian 0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.319 low playing ten snaps and then going out of the 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:56.080 game with a really third string, fourth maybe even four 0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.560 string of Brian Hudson's factoring into this center. Like, I 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:03.440 don't think it's a coincidence that Drake may is playing 0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:05.520 and all of a sudden the pressure rate looks a 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:07.960 little bit better. A lot of that is tied to 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.239 the quarterback, just like a lot of the sacks are 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.239 tied to the quarterback too. To be you know, to 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.520 be fair on both sides of it. To the offensive line. 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:18.719 I told people ahead of time that the line would 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.479 look better with the better quarterback, And the line looked 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:25.000 better at the better quarterback. So the run blocking wasn't great. 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:28.399 You get over there, Yeah, I know what's going on. 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:32.120 The linebacker wasn't great, or the running the linebacker. Linebackers 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:35.000 weren't great out there. The run blocking wasn't great, and 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:38.560 the quarterback changed, And that's a factor. It's a factor 0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:41.719 like the very his first completion of the game, the 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.839 bootleg player comes right through the middle of the line 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.480 of scrimmage. But he's athletic and he's strong enough to 0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:49.799 get out of there anyways. Right, So those are the 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.640 little things that happened that are different now that they 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.240 have a different quarterback. But you're right, Brent Brown played 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:57.399 a heck of a game in this game for given 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.160 the circumstances. All right, So we're taking Drake May out 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:01.759 of this, right, are you dying? Are you good? 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:01.840 Like? 0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:04.839 Are we gonna? I just got like some I don't know, 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.239 Jesus Christ. Everybody's like, I. 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:08.840 Don't know how much people listen to him trying to 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:09.440 pull the mic away. 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:15.839 Apologies, there's yeah, yeah, all right. My number one up 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:18.560 in this game was Pop Douglas. I thought he was 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.160 the best player on the field for the Patriots offensively. 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:21.719 Uh. 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:24.520 Six catches, ninety two yards, touchdown, career high for his 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:27.160 career tee, all that kind of stuff is great, But 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:29.440 I I really felt like he could have had like 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.239 one hundred and fifty yards in this game if Drake 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:35.279 May had made some more throws on those crossing routes. Uh. 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:39.359 He is an absolute problem against man coverage. Like this 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:44.239 is a legitimate man coverage demon in Pop Douglas that 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.920 the Patriots have. Uh, the teams are going to have 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:49.920 to start accounting for this now that they have a 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.759 quarterback that can actually get him the football. Uh, they're 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:54.879 gonna have to. I don't know if they're gonna it's 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:57.000 gonna be a bracket, it's gonna be robber, it's gonna 0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:59.080 be what, you know, whatever they do to try to 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.160 cut off the middle of the because if you just 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.319 play man to man with popping the slot, he's gonna 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.279 run across the field and he's gonna get open. Like 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:09.080 he was absolutely I don't even have the word for it. 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:13.359 Like he was just absolutely owning Jalen Petrie and Eric 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:15.560 Murray in this game. Like it wasn't even some of 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:18.759 the reps weren't even close. They weren't even competitive, Like 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:22.240 he was shaking them off the screen on some plays. 0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:25.800 It was awesome to watch. He was great in this game. 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:29.680 He is a man coverage problem. If he gets hitting 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:32.080 stride on the crossing route that we talked about earlier, 0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:35.920 that when for seventeen, that's probably another thirty five yard touchdown. 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.399 And if he gets hit on that third down play 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.920 early on in the game, and that he airmailed on 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:44.040 the interception, and there was another crosser that he missed 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:47.360 in the early second half, like third quarter on a 0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:51.040 crossing ground. You add those three plays back into his totals, 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.000 we're talking one hundred and fifty and two touchdowns for 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:57.759 Pop Douglass in this game. So he was fantastic. And 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.920 now you know, if they start playing, they start playing 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.600 cut like they start cutting him off on those crossing routes. 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.360 I'm waiting to see the inverted over where he fakes 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.680 the crosser and then breaks out like on a corner 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:12.080 or something like that. I'm also waiting for. Now, you're 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.680 gonna have one on ones other places, right, Like if 0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:16.600 the safeties are helping to Pop in the middle of 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:20.240 the field, that's gonna create one on ones for Polk, 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:23.440 for Booty, for Born, for Hunter Henry. Like those guys 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:25.359 have to then go out and windows. But I had 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:28.040 I had Pop as my number one up. Who's number two? 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.880 Yeah, I popped all this too, I mean, and the 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.200 biggest thing I agree with already said, it's sustainable. I 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:34.080 think this is who he is. 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:34.600 Yeah. 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.320 I just think he's an absolute demon out of the slot. 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:41.239 Yeah he should be he stays healthy. We talked about 0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:42.600 before the year, we thought he could be a thousand 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:43.200 yard receiver. 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:46.560 Like, here we go, he's on pace even with how 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:48.680 a kneemake their passing game was to start the season, 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:51.520 he was He's on pace for seventy catches. And now 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:53.360 if you're factor in that, Drake May is going to 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:55.000 be throwing him the ball, hopefully for the rest of 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:58.480 the season, he might might add, you know, five to 0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:01.640 ten catches onto that pace. We might be talking about 0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.319 like at least eight for eight hundred. Yeah, eighty for 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:07.719 eight hundred. I mean for Pop this year, if not more, 0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:09.960 if he hits on some of those explosive plays. The 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.480 only thing that I'm waiting for now I mentioned the 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.440 inverted over is what they used to call it. Some 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:17.880 West Coast teams call it a Seattle route, or like 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:19.880 you fake the crosser and then you break out, like 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:21.840 you get the corner to commit his hips to the 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:25.200 crosser and then you cut out on it. Edelman was 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:27.799 great at it. Jacobe Myers is actually really good at 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:30.480 that route. The other thing I'm just waiting for, too, 0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.880 is like, you know, some more vertical routes down the field, 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:37.439 like double moves or seams or whatever. Now that Drake 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:39.600 may is in there, I think Pop Douglas is a 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:41.760 big play guy that can do those types of things. 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:44.520 So I had Pop, You had Pop? Who is your third? 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:46.960 I think the second week in Orre, I've had this guy, 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:51.560 Marte Mapu. Yeah, just continues We'll talk about the defense 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:55.040 and then has not been good. But I think the 0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:59.120 like Macro picture for the defense, right, Yeah, you lose 0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:02.080 to On bent Lee, you lose Jabrill Peppers, you lose 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.960 Matthew Judon, you lose Christian Barmore. Not only are these 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:09.160 guys good players, their tone setters. They play with a 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:14.840 physical edge that sort of just becomes infectious to the 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:18.000 rest of the team. And what you have right now 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:20.719 with this defense is I think a unit that's not 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:22.440 playing with a ton of intensity, not playing with a 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:27.200 ton of physicality. Except for Marte Mapu, who continues to 0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:30.840 play very good football, very physical football. They need to 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.160 set it up where he becomes the new tone setter 0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:35.440 for this defense because he's the only guy playing with 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:37.640 that tone right now that they need to get to. 0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:39.279 Yeah, I thought he was good in this game. I 0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:41.680 considered him as well. He also has the pass breakup 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:43.560 in the end zone that leads to an interception. It's 0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:45.680 kind of like the only play they made on defense. 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.360 It feels like the guy that I had on defense, 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.000 because when they lose like this, I try to do 0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:52.279 one offense, one defense. And then I had Drake, so 0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:54.680 you don't have to go over that again. It was 0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:56.880 Devon Gotscha, who I know it feels weird that you 0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:58.920 give up one hundred and ninety rushing yards and you 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:01.520 put the nose tackle as that and up. But he 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:03.600 did it running away from him. Yeah, he had six 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:06.320 stuffs in this game. He's up to eighteen stuffs on 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:10.479 the season. It leads all in interior defensive linemen. Yep, 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:14.960 and that's stat with eighteen of them. So he's been fantastic. 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:18.359 I think he's done his job more than adequately. He's 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:20.919 done his job at a really high level. So they're 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.799 running away from him. It's off tackle and in this 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:26.879 game they actually ran a couple of wham plays where 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:31.359 they specifically blocked him, you know, with scheme because they 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:33.200 couldn't block him one on one, so they had to 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:35.239 throw something else at him. And it's not really on 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:38.520 him that other people aren't making those plays. So Devon 0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:41.840 Godshaw six stuffs is a lot, especially for that position 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:45.000 where you're playing nose tackle. You're getting doubled a lot, 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:47.640 like you're not necessarily in there to put up stats. 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.040 He's put up stats this year and he's been very 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:52.920 very good. So Godshaw is my other one. Let's go 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.200 over to the downs, right, we did all of our 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:58.960 ups ye. Yeah, who's your number one down mine? 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:02.919 Jalen Polk. Yeah, so on a day for the where 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:06.040 the offense really got going for him to kind of 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:07.600 be left out of that. And I'm not somebody who 0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:10.120 believes like this is like who he'll be, but drops 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:11.920 or thing with him. Now, Like we knew he was 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:14.520 getting open, he continued to get open. Doesn't mean anything 0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.960 if he can't catch the ball. So he's just he's 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:18.759 got to catch the ball. 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:22.919 Yeah, some focus drops in this game, and that's that's 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:26.799 a little bit concerning, like drops that are that are 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:30.680 tough catches or forest errors or whatever. Some people don't 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:33.319 even track those as drops, like if the defender gets 0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:36.240 his hand in late or something like that. These were 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:38.440 like these were on your mits and you just dropped 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:40.480 the ball, right, Yeah, Yeah, he was on my list 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:43.920 as well as Austin Hooper, you know. With that fumble 0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:46.719 was my third down, But I'll start back up at 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:49.640 the top. I had four downs actually, because you know 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.960 we'll lose by twenty points, we're gonna have some more. 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:55.040 My number one down right now, and this is like 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:57.960 kind of crawling on my backside a little bit. At 0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:03.400 this point, the defensive coaching the defensive coaching to me 0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:09.279 in in general, I will I understand that they've had 0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:13.680 injuries in off field circumstances and nobody's fault that Christian 0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:17.120 Barmore randomly gets blood clots like the day second day 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.359 of training camp. And I get all that they are 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:23.879 too talented on defense to be twenty ninth in the league. 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:27.680 In Dvoa, they are at bottom five defense in the NFL. 0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:29.799 They have too much talent on the field. Like, they 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:32.920 have guys in the secondary. They have a Christian Gonzales. 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.360 They have a number one corner Kyle Dugger is a 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:38.160 good football player. They have guys in the front seven, 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:41.960 Keon White. I mentioned Devon Godshaw as an up. Joshua 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:44.480 Ja has played better football than this in his past. 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:47.640 Jelani Tavai has played much better football than this in 0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:51.760 his past. Their fundamentals aren't great. Their run fits are terrible. 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:56.000 H they're not playing good fundamentally. Do your job, you know, 0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:59.480 assignment sound football on the defense. Uh, they are getting 0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:02.480 out schemeing weeke in and week out getting out schemed. 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:08.200 I mean they the same play post. It's a simple post. Cross. 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:13.240 San Francisco started it like they started spamming it. Miami 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.239 hit a big playoff of it, and now Houston hit 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:18.280 a big playoff of it, a twenty six yard indcut 0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:22.680 to Stefan Diggs. It's the same play base defense, cover two, 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:26.560 run a vertical over the top, run a cross or 0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:28.719 a dig at the second level, one of those two 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:30.560 routes is going to be open. Just throw to the 0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:33.719 open guy. Three straight games, three straight quarterbacks have hit 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:36.839 the same route all three times. You know, these are 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:40.719 things that you look at the play calling, you look 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:44.800 at the fundamentals, you look at across the board. They 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:48.800 are too good. They have too many horses on defense 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.480 to be giving up forty one points a game. They 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.359 I understand they had some short fields. I understand they 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:57.680 had the injury excuses, but I thought to Von Gotshaw 0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:00.000 said it best after the game, Like we've had injuries 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:03.319 in the past, we've had circumstances in the past, We've 0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:06.600 still been able to maintain a certain standard, a certain 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:09.480 level of defense. And you know, my one big take 0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:12.960 too on the defense, and this is just my opinion, 0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:19.120 strictly my opinion. I don't love the approach that Gerard 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:22.319 Mayo has taken, and I didn't love it. I'm sure 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:24.239 we talked about this when he got hired, because I 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:27.920 didn't love it back then either. It's to the point 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:32.799 now at the defense where I'm starting to consider that 0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:38.040 Gerard Mayo might might need to take over himself. He 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.640 is a defensive minded head coach. He is a first 0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:44.239 time head coach. He's one of the youngest. He's the 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.480 second youngest. I'll just stick to the facts. He's the 0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:51.560 second youngest head coach in the NFL. It's really difficult 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:55.719 to be a CEO head coach. It's the ideal. Bill 0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:59.640 Belichick is the ideal. A guy that has a rolladex 0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:02.080 of knowledg that he can just go all three phases 0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:04.160 and he can just go through it and he can 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.799 hand you know, we got to do this on special teams, 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:11.360 got to do this offensively, defensively. I don't think Girod 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:16.239 Mayo has the experience to be able to pull from 0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:21.080 past experiences like Bill could to coach the side of 0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:24.440 the ball that's not his area expertise. Does that make sense? Like, yeah, 0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:28.960 so I look at it. Coaches across the league that 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:31.480 are in similar spots, that are in you know, similar 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:36.160 age ranges, similar experiences. Demiko Ryans, he was just here 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:40.359 with Houston. Demiko Ryans is the Texans defensive play caller. He's, 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:44.360 by all intents and purposes, their defensive coordinator, Bobby Slowick 0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.800 is running their offense. Does Demiko Ryans every once in 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:49.680 a while get in the headset and say, hey, let's 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.200 run the ball here. I'm sure he does right, I'm 0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:56.239 sure he has input. You're the head coach, but his 0:56:56.360 --> 0:56:59.600 focus is on the defense. He leads the meetings, he 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:03.120 calls the plays like he's the defensive coordinator for all 0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:06.799 intents and purposes. Even a guy that's his experienced is 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:10.319 like Andy Reid in this league. Steve Spagnelo is coaching 0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:13.959 the Kansas City defense. That's his baby, That's his side 0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:17.080 of the ball. Andy Reid's calling plays on offense, He's 0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:20.080 drawn stuff up in the lab. Steve Spagnello is coaching 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:23.080 the defense we see it on Sundays. He's calling timeouts 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.919 from the sideline when they're on defense, right, Like, that's 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:30.760 his side of the football. I like Covington. He's got 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.360 a lot of energy, he's got a lot of intensity. 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:35.120 I think he's got a really good chance to be 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:37.560 a good head coach or a good coach. Excuse me 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:39.800 down the line here, and I'm not saying he's a 0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:42.520 bad coach, but when you're twenty ninth in the league 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:45.360 in Dvoa, I believe there's still thirty first in the 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:48.080 league on third down, Like, they're just not a very 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.840 good defense right now, that's Mayo's side of the ball. 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:53.240 I would like to see him take maybe a little 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:57.160 bit more ownership. And just for the sake of discussion here, 0:57:57.640 --> 0:57:59.440 I don't know for a fact that he's not taking 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:01.840 ownership right Like, I don't know one hundred percent of 0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.800 this isn't already how it's going on. But it feels 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:07.560 to me like he kind of wants to be that CEO. 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:09.960 That's what he told us, that he wants to delegate 0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:11.480 and he wants to sit at the top and do 0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:13.960 all that kind of stuff. I'm just not sure if 0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:16.400 that's the best structure for him right now. I'll give 0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:22.360 you one more name, Mike McDonald. In Seattle, he is 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:27.440 allowing Grub Ryan Grubb, their offensive coordinator, to run the offense. 0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:30.480 Mac McDonald has the play sheet on the defensive side 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:33.320 of the ball. Right former defensive coordinator the Baltimore Ravens. 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.480 That's how he got this job. He is running his 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:40.640 defense and Ryan grub is running the offense. That's the 0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:43.520 youngest head coach in the NFL by like a year, right, 0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:47.000 Sean McVay very first time, and I promise I'll stop 0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:51.760 branding Sean McVay. His very first setup as the Rams 0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:55.720 head coach was Sean McVay is the head coach slash. 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.880 Let's just call it what it is. Offensive coordinator. Wade 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:02.640 Phillips was the defense coordinator. There's nobody more experienced and 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:05.520 more knowledgeable about defense besides maybe Bill and Nick Saban 0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:09.840 than Wade Phillips. So he hired a veteran guy who's 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.800 done it before, and Wade Phillips was in charge of 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:16.680 the defense like it was Wade Phillips' defense. I just 0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:20.680 feel like Girod Mayo might need to be more hands 0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:23.840 on with the defense because this is tackling, this is 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:29.320 run fits, This is not like high level stuff. This 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:33.480 is fundamentals and baseline standard of football. They need to 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:34.600 be better at that sort of stuff. 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:36.439 And to your point about there maybe being a change, 0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:38.360 Trod Mayo said this week when he was asked about 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:40.680 is the penalty specifically, but I think this applies to 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:45.040 all the fundamental stuff they're being changes. Yeah, to you know, 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:47.840 they need reliable guys. And it came across like he 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.400 was talking about the roster and the depth chart. But 0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:52.640 maybe that applies to coaching staff too, So maybe last 0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:54.000 week's game is the impetus for that. 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:57.400 Yeah, And I don't necessarily, I'm not advocating is against 0:59:57.480 --> 0:59:59.880 just my opinion. I'm not advocating for the fact that 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:04.320 they should take play calling away from DeMarcus Comington necessarily. 1:00:04.800 --> 1:00:08.160 But if girod Mayo is trying to have his hands 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.920 in every single sort of jar, so to speak, and 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:14.160 split his time up between offense, defense, special teams and 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:16.640 give each one of those his time, it might be 1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:21.400 time to give seven sixty five percent to the defense, 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:24.480 right like favor of the defense, because that's your area of. 1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:26.440 Any fertities, that's where you need more helpe right now? 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:29.160 Yeah, one hundred percent? All right, who's your another second time? 1:00:29.520 --> 1:00:31.600 So I mean kind of along the same lines. I 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:33.800 just went run game, both sides of the ball. You 1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:35.880 covered a lot of what's going on on defense, poor 1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:38.400 run fits, poor tackling. You look at those two big runs. 1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:41.960 There's guys just shooting out a position, being way too aggressive, 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:44.920 trying to make plays that aren't there. I saw Jacquelin 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:47.240 and Roy who's played pretty well, but like, yeah, he 1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:49.800 had a blown assignment on a run. Marco Wilson had 1:00:49.800 --> 1:00:53.240 a blown assignment on a run. Just guys being out 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:58.000 of position. Then on offense too, they missed Ramandrie Stevenson 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:00.200 badly in this game. Yeah, and this is where you're 1:01:00.200 --> 1:01:03.440 gonna roll your eyes and me and I know, because. 1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:04.640 They're gonna go that was the running back and not 1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:06.080 the guys getting blown off. 1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:10.560 Yes, and no, they didn't block well, but they haven't 1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:13.400 blocked well in the run game all year, and they've 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:16.040 still run the ball well with Stevenson in there. Remember 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:18.480 there's that stat two weeks in the season that kind 1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:21.560 of blew up that Stevenson in more yards after contact 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:23.840 than he did total yards. And you can push back 1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:27.000 and say the way PFF calculates yards after contact or 1:01:27.040 --> 1:01:30.320 the way next Gen calculates yards after contact is maybe 1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:33.240 a litterable, a little more favorable than the running back 1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:37.320 than it needs to be. But the reality is that 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:41.360 all their backs were getting hit in the backfield constantly, 1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:45.360 but with Stevenson. Where they miss Stevenson, and this is 1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:47.959 where I think the running backs don't matter. People miss 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:52.360 the picture. It's not about Stevenson's ability to break off 1:01:52.400 --> 1:01:54.720 a thirty yard run, a thirty five yard run. We 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:56.880 know we can do that, but Antonio Gibson can do 1:01:56.960 --> 1:02:03.320 that too. The difference is, to me, like Ramandrie, Stevenson 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:06.400 is really good at turning a run that should go 1:02:06.480 --> 1:02:08.400 for no yards into a three or four yard game, 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:11.000 or a run that should get stopped in the backfield 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:14.040 into a game of two or three yards. And what 1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:17.600 that does is it allows the Patriots offense to stay 1:02:17.600 --> 1:02:20.960 on schedule. Even when the run blocking's not there. Stevenson's 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:23.920 still gonna get you three yards. Now it's second and seven. Again, 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:26.400 maybe the run blocking's not there, He's gonna get you 1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:29.000 three more. Now it's third and four, instead of when 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:30.640 you look at what happened on the first series of 1:02:30.680 --> 1:02:33.880 this game, third and nine. Because that hidden yards that 1:02:33.920 --> 1:02:37.200 Stevenson was getting for you just by falling forward or 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:39.240 not allowing the first guy to tackle him and waiting 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:42.600 until a second defender got there to come down. Stevenson's 1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:46.040 averaging four was averaging four yards after contact per carry 1:02:46.280 --> 1:02:49.560 coming into this game, right, and again you want to say, well, 1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:52.560 that number is not right. It's not calculated. Just for reference, 1:02:52.640 --> 1:02:56.080 the same people that were calculating that had the Patriots 1:02:56.120 --> 1:02:59.000 at two point one yards after contact in this game. 1:02:59.320 --> 1:03:03.920 That's two yards per run that aren't there. That adds 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:06.800 up over the course of the game. So you know, 1:03:07.480 --> 1:03:11.080 did they They didn't miss when it comes to the 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:11.680 big runs. 1:03:11.720 --> 1:03:14.240 Right, are you telling me that you go and this 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:16.600 with drafting your boys. I'm not. 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:19.920 You still don't understand that take, so I have to 1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:23.520 refine it. I do not say, well, let me just 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:25.200 be I do not think the patriot should draft ash 1:03:25.320 --> 1:03:27.560 genty in the first round. Let me be clear about 1:03:28.720 --> 1:03:32.760 the Patriots should not draft ash Genting. I truly believe 1:03:32.760 --> 1:03:35.400 it true. Whether I want them to or not a 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:39.240 different story, but they should. The take is there's a 1:03:39.280 --> 1:03:42.080 lot of hidden yardage, the issues with the run blocking 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:46.920 that that I think Ramondre Stevenson is able to kind 1:03:46.960 --> 1:03:49.720 of work around and hide because of his ability to 1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:51.880 pick up yards after contact and because of his ability 1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:54.480 to fall forward and to force the second defender to 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:57.040 make the play. They missed that big time in the 1:03:57.080 --> 1:04:01.840 offensive line didn't reciprocate or didn't compensate for it. And 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:03.720 this is where we'll disagree because you'll say the running 1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:06.800 backs don't matter. Not everybody falls forward like Ramandra Stevenson, 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:08.000 and that showed up in this game. 1:04:08.160 --> 1:04:10.000 So I would also just on your side of the 1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:13.080 street because I don't want to be completely combative to 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:16.800 your take. Okay. It also just it chips in with 1:04:16.800 --> 1:04:19.120 Antonio Gibson because now he's kind of playing a different 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:21.640 role right and he's playing a little bit more of 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:24.560 an early down base type of role. 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:26.280 He's also just not a bowling bat. 1:04:26.440 --> 1:04:31.040 Right back or high volume back really ideally like maybe 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:33.480 for a game or two, it's fine, but I thought 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:35.280 it had an impact on him as well because now 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:37.520 he's playing early downs, he's playing third down like he's 1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:40.320 playing a lot of football in this game. On Sunday, 1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:43.360 I could I don't necessarily disagree with you. I can't like, 1:04:43.480 --> 1:04:45.640 I don't have any major you know, pushback to what 1:04:45.680 --> 1:04:49.160 you said. There's been a lot of criticism of a 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:52.800 VP yeah, all year, and some of it from the show, 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:56.160 So it's I'm not saying that it's it's not totally warranted. 1:04:56.760 --> 1:04:59.480 But in this game, they script the first fifteen plays 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:02.880 every game, right, that's the first fifteen is like sort 1:05:02.880 --> 1:05:05.920 of their thing, so they there's a little bit of Christism. 1:05:06.000 --> 1:05:08.440 Myself included. I wrote it in game observations. I didn't 1:05:08.440 --> 1:05:10.280 love it, and then I thought about it some more 1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:13.080 and I realized what really was going on. So they 1:05:13.160 --> 1:05:15.800 run the ball twice to start this game, first and 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:18.760 second down, to your point, like they're thinking that at 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:21.280 the worst case scenario, they'll be in third and medium, right, 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:23.280 they'll be in third and four, three and five something 1:05:23.360 --> 1:05:25.800 like that. Turns out they get one yard on first 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:27.640 and second down, So now it's third and nine. Now 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.760 they're three and out and they're punting. The very first 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:33.600 play of the next drive was the bootleg play to 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:38.560 Kendrick Boord. I actually felt like AVP learned from the 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:41.560 Jets game a little bit that I'm not gonna start 1:05:41.600 --> 1:05:44.320 with the bootleg because we haven't set it up yet, right, 1:05:44.360 --> 1:05:47.160 So I'm gonna run it twice. We'll pick up third down, 1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:50.120 and then on first down we're gonna boot leg. And 1:05:50.160 --> 1:05:52.160 that's how we're gonna get Drake into the game. Like, 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:53.760 that's how we're gonna give them an easy lay up 1:05:53.760 --> 1:05:55.400 because to me, like the best thing to do with 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:57.200 the young quarterback has to give them a layup to 1:05:57.200 --> 1:05:58.920 get them into the game, right, just giving them a 1:05:58.960 --> 1:06:02.720 completion that is simple. One read exactly the throat of 1:06:02.760 --> 1:06:06.040 bourn Like, that's exactly what you do with the young quarterback. 1:06:06.560 --> 1:06:08.720 It just they just went three and out, right, So 1:06:08.760 --> 1:06:11.040 like they went out they If that had been the 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:13.480 fourth play of the opening drive, then I don't think 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:16.080 everybody would have been as critical of how the game started. 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:18.400 It just the first two plays were run plays and 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:21.320 they gained no yards on them. So I agree with 1:06:21.360 --> 1:06:23.880 you and a lot of respects on that. I definitely 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:25.520 put more on the run blocking. But I hear what 1:06:25.560 --> 1:06:27.000 you're saying, Uh. 1:06:27.040 --> 1:06:30.120 Well, I'm just like on that first series, maybe we're 1:06:30.160 --> 1:06:32.800 Monderick Seedson gets them more yards, yep, because again, like 1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:34.480 I think there's hiden yards there. Maybe they do get 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:36.680 to third and five with Romandre right becomes an easier 1:06:36.680 --> 1:06:39.400 pass on third down, and then that bootleg becomes the 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:42.040 fourth play, like the fourth the fourth play to drive right, right, 1:06:42.240 --> 1:06:45.120 because it's all scripted, so everything is it's all sequenced 1:06:45.160 --> 1:06:47.720 together already. So that was always going to be their 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:50.480 fourth offensive play. Whether it happened on the first driver 1:06:50.560 --> 1:06:52.080 or it happened on the second drive, that was going 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:54.400 to be their fourth offensive play. We all got on 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:57.720 a VP after the Jets game on Thursday, that Thursday 1:06:57.760 --> 1:07:00.720 night game for calling play action before setting it up 1:07:00.880 --> 1:07:03.000 right like that was the big criticism coming out of 1:07:03.000 --> 1:07:03.439 that game. 1:07:03.840 --> 1:07:06.200 This game, he's set it up. It just happened that 1:07:06.200 --> 1:07:08.200 they didn't pick up the third down right, And so 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:12.360 that's the difference. All right, a couple more downs, just 1:07:12.400 --> 1:07:15.640 the off ball linebacker play. It's just not good enough. 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:18.800 Ray quand McMillan and Janieva had both of them. 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:20.360 They're gonna get to vie back on the edge. I 1:07:20.760 --> 1:07:25.320 know they're probably Kendrick Bourne told us that there's a 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:27.280 plant's kind of easing back in, and he wasn't gonna 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:30.920 go right right to talking about Takias And yeah, so 1:07:31.480 --> 1:07:33.520 Taki Taki hasn't told us that they're doing that, but 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:37.160 it would stand to reason that that's the situation. But 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:40.800 gotta get that ramp up going because they him and 1:07:40.800 --> 1:07:43.640 and Christian Ellis are suddenly like you kind of need 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:44.040 those guys. 1:07:44.320 --> 1:07:46.840 Yeah, we'll see about Christian Ellis in terms of early down, 1:07:46.880 --> 1:07:48.040 I think he's a little small for that. 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:50.560 Well, they said he's gonna play more early down. 1:07:50.800 --> 1:07:53.439 They gotta try some different things. That's the bottom line. 1:07:53.520 --> 1:07:56.440 Ray Quan McMillan feels like, I hate to pick on him, 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:58.960 but it feels like every single week he's in the 1:07:59.000 --> 1:08:01.560 middle of some big runs, like it's he's at the 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:01.960 point of the. 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:05.000 Sad they just he's so miscast right now to me. 1:08:05.360 --> 1:08:07.840 So I think he's an early down player. I think 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:11.720 right now he's overthinking things and like trying to do 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:13.520 too much. He's trying to cover up too much. He's 1:08:13.520 --> 1:08:16.720 trying to be Juwan Bentley, right. It's what's surprising to 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:20.760 me with him is like be a hammer not a nail, right, 1:08:20.840 --> 1:08:24.280 Like go out there and Bentley would do this all 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:28.000 the time. You might not be the one making the tackle, 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:30.680 but if you can be the one that's ruining the 1:08:30.680 --> 1:08:33.800 blocking scheme, then that will allow somebody else to make 1:08:33.800 --> 1:08:37.040 a tackle. So like on the big fifty nine yard run, 1:08:37.120 --> 1:08:40.520 the first one, it's a wham play. They hit it backside, 1:08:40.800 --> 1:08:44.840 they wham Devon Godshaw and they get a second level 1:08:44.840 --> 1:08:48.519 climb to ray Kwan McMillan, Ray Kwan McMillan tries to 1:08:48.560 --> 1:08:51.920 back door it. He tries to shoot the gap, you know, inside, 1:08:52.479 --> 1:08:54.640 and he just misses. He misses the ball carrier and 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:56.800 it goes out and it's a fifty nine yard run. 1:08:57.120 --> 1:08:59.000 Like I would so much rather see him try to 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:02.439 compress the space, like go into the blocker, like meet 1:09:02.439 --> 1:09:05.479 the blocker in the hole and push him into the 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:08.040 edge so that way there there's less of a hole, 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:11.559 you know, compress the hole for the running back. And 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:13.400 then maybe you don't. Maybe you're not the one that 1:09:13.439 --> 1:09:15.640 gets him on the ground, but maybe that gives you 1:09:15.880 --> 1:09:18.599 Kean White an opportunity to make the tackle, or maybe 1:09:18.640 --> 1:09:21.519 the safety coming from from depth over the top has 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:23.960 more time to get down there now and make the tackle. 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:25.920 It might still be an eight yard run, but it's 1:09:25.920 --> 1:09:28.080 not a fifty nine yard run, right if something like 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:30.960 that happens. So I just think he's been timid and 1:09:31.080 --> 1:09:33.479 just like not playing very it's in his head or 1:09:33.560 --> 1:09:36.439 something like that. Their run fits from the second level. 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:40.120 They're they're constantly in each other's gaps, they're constantly over pursuing. 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:43.559 There's cutback lanes all over the place. From the second 1:09:43.640 --> 1:09:46.960 level the defense, you know, not being sound with their fits. 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:50.680 They can't get off blocks, like it's just ugly. It's 1:09:50.760 --> 1:09:53.599 ugly right now. They don't cover well like their base defense, 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:55.479 Like they can't play bass against the pass because they 1:09:55.479 --> 1:09:58.599 don't cover well in space. So whether it's Taki Taki, 1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:03.680 it's a Ellis, it's whoever, like Joe Giles Harris from 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:07.160 the practice squad, like, yeah, whoever. They have to start 1:10:07.200 --> 1:10:10.040 trying some different people there point blank. It's just not 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:12.600 gonna be good enough like this, Uh, do you have 1:10:12.720 --> 1:10:13.720 another down right third? 1:10:13.720 --> 1:10:15.840 But yeah, I kind of feel bad doing this because 1:10:15.880 --> 1:10:17.840 I mean, he's putting in a bad spot. But Entrey 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:19.639 Jacobs was not good. 1:10:19.760 --> 1:10:22.280 Yeah, him and Thomas were not good, but bad spot. 1:10:22.439 --> 1:10:24.360 Yeah, I mean he got blown by a couple times, 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:27.200 almost almost at the point where it's like, dude, just hold, 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:29.719 just hold if you're gonna get beat clean, Like, don't 1:10:29.800 --> 1:10:34.920 let the kid get hit, right. But I actually thought 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:37.320 he was making some progress at right tackle the last 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:39.800 few weeks, and now he might have to Now he 1:10:39.880 --> 1:10:42.400 might have to flip the left, which that makes me 1:10:42.479 --> 1:10:45.400 really nervous. They got to start doing more to help 1:10:45.439 --> 1:10:48.519 these tackles. Out, Yeah, because they are just putting guys 1:10:48.560 --> 1:10:49.520 in bad situations. 1:10:49.560 --> 1:10:51.160 All right, last one for me, I know we're going 1:10:51.160 --> 1:10:53.360 along on this and we'll get to the phones, I promise. 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:57.800 The last one for me was Jonathan Jones. Just I know, 1:10:57.800 --> 1:10:59.840 I'm not ready to say that he's like declining or 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:00.280 any anything. 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:02.439 Like Dell is a good freaking play. 1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:05.160 He's a good player. But five or five or seventy 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:08.160 one in a touchdown into Jonathan Jones' coverage in this game, 1:11:09.080 --> 1:11:12.880 I just feel like teams are starting not to throw 1:11:12.920 --> 1:11:15.080 a ton at Qrushian Gonzalez. They kind of know that that. 1:11:15.280 --> 1:11:16.120 What do you think of him? 1:11:16.520 --> 1:11:16.600 So? 1:11:16.840 --> 1:11:19.280 I thought that he was okay outside of like two 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:22.479 bad reps and two bad reps one goes for a 1:11:22.520 --> 1:11:25.720 third big third down completion and one goes for a touchdown. 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:29.120 But really, outside of that, there was really no damage. 1:11:29.200 --> 1:11:33.200 I think Diggs had the best game any receivers had 1:11:33.240 --> 1:11:37.360 against Gonzales in his NFL career. Now, I think that 1:11:37.560 --> 1:11:40.519 says more about Gonzalez because because it really it wasn't 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:44.360 this great game, but it like objectively rights one has 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:47.760 to be the most impressive digs just whatever it is 1:11:47.800 --> 1:11:51.439 about the Patriots especially in Jelette Stadium, just gets digs going. 1:11:51.439 --> 1:11:53.559 I don't know if he's a big Lighthouse fan or whatever, 1:11:53.640 --> 1:11:57.240 but like it'll be interesting to see. So two things 1:11:57.240 --> 1:11:59.000 for Gonzalez. I think he has to bounce back from 1:11:59.000 --> 1:12:02.280 what was a objectively I think the best performance against him. 1:12:02.439 --> 1:12:04.920 Okay, I think A. J. Brown was better, but that 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:07.360 was his very first game right in the NFL. 1:12:07.880 --> 1:12:10.200 This is also like, and look, I think Brian Thomas 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:12.120 Junior is a really good player. Yeah, but this is 1:12:12.160 --> 1:12:14.200 also the first game where it's not like like the 1:12:14.240 --> 1:12:18.599 Gauntlet's over, not over, I mean for the time next week, 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:21.120 but like, this is the first game where it's not like, 1:12:21.200 --> 1:12:24.000 oh my god, he's going to an elite elite receiver 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:26.360 was right to monte Ada. Yeah, it's the first game 1:12:26.400 --> 1:12:27.760 where it's not like, oh my god, he's going up 1:12:27.760 --> 1:12:29.920 against that guy. So it'll be kind of interesting to 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:30.559 see how that plays. 1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:32.880 Yeah. No, I mean, look, he's if you had him 1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:35.439 on your downs list, I wouldn't like hold it against you. 1:12:35.680 --> 1:12:37.040 I didn't know, but like I didn't put him on 1:12:37.080 --> 1:12:39.240 my downs, but like those, if you were to rank 1:12:39.360 --> 1:12:42.040 his career performances, this is his last or second. 1:12:41.840 --> 1:12:44.240 Aligne it's down by the bottom. It the one thing 1:12:44.320 --> 1:12:46.600 I was just crazy. It wasn't that bad. Yeah, I 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:49.080 mean the stats are really it's like I think it 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:51.080 was like four for forty four in a touchdown, Like 1:12:51.120 --> 1:12:52.559 it's not like a game of one hundred and fifty 1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:55.840 yards into his coverage. He was. The thing I would 1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:59.800 say about Gonzales is just red zone third down, Like 1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:04.439 those are really big plays for this defense, and they 1:13:04.479 --> 1:13:08.080 need him to be even better in those situations, right, 1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:12.400 Like those are high leverage downs that they need three 1:13:12.439 --> 1:13:15.920 points instead of seven points. So like that's that's a 1:13:15.920 --> 1:13:16.639 big deal. 1:13:16.640 --> 1:13:18.679 And go back to camp. Sorry to go back to camp. 1:13:18.760 --> 1:13:21.120 And I think clearly at this point we made too 1:13:21.160 --> 1:13:22.840 much of the struggles he was having a camp but 1:13:23.080 --> 1:13:26.920 some of us. That was one area that definitely stood 1:13:26.920 --> 1:13:28.519 out with some of the red zone stuff for him 1:13:28.520 --> 1:13:29.480 where he was struggling. 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:31.800 Yeah, So the reason why I put Jonathan Jones on 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:34.479 there more than more than Gonzales A it was just 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:36.559 because the stats were worse, Like the numbers were worse, 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:40.160 But be what's what's gonna end up happening is that 1:13:40.360 --> 1:13:43.400 if Gonzales continues to be really really good or even 1:13:43.439 --> 1:13:45.720 if like that's a down game for Christian Gonzalez is 1:13:45.720 --> 1:13:48.360 still pretty good. Teams are gonna start picking on the 1:13:48.400 --> 1:13:51.840 other corners, right and they're gonna start coming after Marcus Jones, 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:55.120 Jonathan Jones, Marco Wilson, like, those are gonna be the 1:13:55.120 --> 1:13:57.360 guys that are gonna be on teams radars now because 1:13:57.400 --> 1:13:59.880 they're not gonna want to throw at Gonzales as much. 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:02.679 So Jonathan Jones is going to have a lot of attention. 1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:04.200 He's going to get a lot of targets, He's going 1:14:04.280 --> 1:14:06.840 to get a lot of action coming his way, and 1:14:06.960 --> 1:14:09.439 he struggled in this campaign. Dal was a good receiver. 1:14:09.600 --> 1:14:13.040 He is, but this was a down game from Jonathan Jones. 1:14:13.080 --> 1:14:15.240 So those are our downs. Let's get to the phones. 1:14:15.280 --> 1:14:16.680 I know you guys have been waiting on hold for 1:14:16.720 --> 1:14:20.320 a while, so we apologize for that, and then we're 1:14:20.320 --> 1:14:22.200 going to talk a little Jaguars here too, because I 1:14:22.200 --> 1:14:25.400 have some takes about Jacksonville as well. But Patty is 1:14:25.400 --> 1:14:28.720 an agaam. What's up Patty going on? 1:14:28.840 --> 1:14:29.200 Gentlemen? 1:14:29.439 --> 1:14:30.120 How you doing. 1:14:31.640 --> 1:14:31.880 Good? 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:35.040 I just want to say something about May and I 1:14:35.080 --> 1:14:38.120 got a question for both of you guys. May look 1:14:38.240 --> 1:14:41.920 like a Rickie quarterback, but I got heat. For me, 1:14:41.960 --> 1:14:44.759 he exceeded expectations because I didn't know what to expect 1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:48.840 with the line. I was a little nervous, Like you know, 1:14:49.080 --> 1:14:51.840 we all know how the lines look this year, but Havan, 1:14:51.880 --> 1:14:54.519 you're thirty three percent pressure Yate. I think he does 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:56.479 definitely have something to do with that because he is 1:14:56.520 --> 1:15:01.160 so athletic and man, he's always got a cannon. That's 1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:06.040 all I gotta say. I like how they incorporated some 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:09.599 of the second year guys, like like Pop, Douglas and Booty. 1:15:10.840 --> 1:15:13.840 The big question, big overall arching question for me is 1:15:15.320 --> 1:15:17.920 do you guys think that before the end of the 1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:20.600 year or hopefully within the next couple of games, we 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:23.040 see Polk get out of his own head because, like 1:15:23.080 --> 1:15:25.920 you said, Ivan on Taput, it looks like he's getting open, 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:29.520 and you know, he was highly regarded for his hands. 1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:32.320 Didn't catch the ball, hasn't caught the ball in the 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:35.559 last couple of weeks, and I would like to see 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:40.599 him progress and get better much like much like May 1:15:40.640 --> 1:15:43.200 before the end of the year. And two part questions, 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:46.400 do you think he could possibly become a viable number 1:15:46.479 --> 1:15:49.120 two guy? That's all I got because I want DK metcalf. 1:15:49.200 --> 1:15:50.200 That's all I got. Guys. 1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:54.679 Thanks, I appreciate the call as always. Yeah, I'm sure 1:15:54.680 --> 1:15:57.360 you have a Jalen Polk take as well. My thing 1:15:57.360 --> 1:16:00.760 with Jalen Polk is I'm actually in a weird way. 1:16:00.800 --> 1:16:03.360 I'm like, glad this is what he's struggling with, because 1:16:03.360 --> 1:16:05.320 I feel like this is turning almost into like a 1:16:05.439 --> 1:16:07.559 yip situation where he'll get over it because he does 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:09.680 have great hands, and that is a calling card of his. 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:12.920 I would be more concerned if he wasn't getting open, 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:16.280 because you can't. It's harder. It's almost like goes back 1:16:16.280 --> 1:16:18.559 to the quarterback thing we were talking about. To me, 1:16:18.640 --> 1:16:20.840 it's a lot harder to teach separation than it is 1:16:20.880 --> 1:16:22.639 to teach a guy how to catch. Yeah, and I'll 1:16:22.640 --> 1:16:25.760 give you a great example. Julian Edelman. Julian Edelman his 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:29.479 rookie training camp, could not catch cold. He dropped a 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:32.840 million passes. But he had the shiftiness, he had the 1:16:32.920 --> 1:16:35.800 route running ability, he had the work ethic. He could 1:16:35.800 --> 1:16:40.519 get open. So eventually he developed hands, or at least 1:16:40.560 --> 1:16:44.320 good enough hands, and turn into a great receiver. It's 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:46.760 so much harder to teach the separation part of it. 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:49.760 Than it is to teach the hands. I'm glad that 1:16:49.880 --> 1:16:52.880 Jalen Polk continues to get open. I thought he got 1:16:52.880 --> 1:16:54.720 opened a couple times again in this game and just 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:57.880 dropped the ball. And they'll work on and he also, 1:16:57.960 --> 1:16:59.600 you know, just wasn't targeted. It was away from the 1:16:59.600 --> 1:17:02.920 ball in some instances. So they'll continue to work on that. 1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:05.200 He'll be on the jugs machine. He'll you know, he'll 1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:07.599 get it, you know, get it down. And I would 1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:10.640 rather that problem. Then this guy is just not an 1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:13.080 NFL athlete, like right, Like he just can't get open. 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:16.000 He can't separate, he can't run away from anybody. That's 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:16.960 not his problem right now. 1:17:17.040 --> 1:17:18.960 Yeah, I was gonna say, hit the drugs machine this week, 1:17:19.000 --> 1:17:21.960 and can they set up we talked about setting up 1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:23.439 an easy one for Drake May. Can you set up 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:25.320 an easy one some sort of layup with your scheme 1:17:25.400 --> 1:17:27.759 Jalen Polk open you know short, just pitch and catch 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.639 and the you don't want to turn into the yips 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:33.040 right right where Suddenly like now he doesn't get the 1:17:33.080 --> 1:17:35.360 ball next week, Now he's worried about it. Now catching 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:38.720 is all he's thinking about, like as a receiver, like 1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:41.320 catching the football needs to be second nature. Yeah, you 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:44.240 need to be more worried about your route, about your spacing, 1:17:44.240 --> 1:17:46.160 about things like that, like you just just catch the 1:17:46.200 --> 1:17:51.040 ball in your sleep. So for Jalen Polk, it's it's 1:17:51.040 --> 1:17:53.240 getting back to that. It's get one or two under 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:55.240 your belt, get a couple layups under your belt, and 1:17:55.280 --> 1:17:57.639 we move on and you forget this ever happened. 1:17:57.720 --> 1:18:01.640 Yep, absolutely, really quickly. But before they take the next call. 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When you Dare to compare with Bob's 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:40.799 Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of the New England Patriots. 1:18:40.800 --> 1:18:42.720 That was better. I feel like that was better. I 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:45.240 got the Falladay down. That was when I had tough, 1:18:45.360 --> 1:18:45.760 tough time. 1:18:46.120 --> 1:18:48.120 I thought that was last weekend though, Yeah, he did 1:18:48.120 --> 1:18:49.200 a better. Know what today is? 1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:50.280 I have no idea. 1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:51.000 National past today. 1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:53.280 Oh it's a shame. The Bruins don't play shut out 1:18:53.320 --> 1:18:55.160 David Pasternak. And he had a goal last night, right 1:18:55.160 --> 1:18:56.120 he did score back door? 1:18:56.200 --> 1:18:56.600 There we go? 1:18:56.680 --> 1:18:58.679 Ye, all right, Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff? 1:19:00.400 --> 1:19:00.840 How you doing? 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:01.120 Guys? 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:01.439 Good? 1:19:03.000 --> 1:19:05.200 So I got a couple of things. One, I know 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:07.040 you don't talk to fantasy, but I just wanted to 1:19:07.080 --> 1:19:09.640 let you know that the Manhattan Project is sitting at 1:19:09.680 --> 1:19:14.679 a proud four and two. Overcomes some adversity with Cooper 1:19:14.720 --> 1:19:15.919 Cup and Nico Collins. 1:19:15.960 --> 1:19:18.479 But death, it's good death. 1:19:18.560 --> 1:19:22.320 We're holding strong. I thought the same thing in the 1:19:22.320 --> 1:19:25.280 game about Mayo potentially taking over the play calling. It's 1:19:25.400 --> 1:19:27.760 just it seems like in a lot of games this year, 1:19:28.560 --> 1:19:33.680 it's almost like the defense isn't prepared to adjust on 1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:37.040 the fly to anything that they might do. It's like 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:41.160 the third or fourth game where they started incredibly slow, 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:43.240 and it seems like they haven't been able to adjust 1:19:43.320 --> 1:19:48.080 till at least the second quarter. And in terms of 1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:51.880 the only real question I've got, uh, I know that 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:57.960 AVP and Borne talked about Booty working harder and being 1:19:58.000 --> 1:20:01.759 better in practice, but from a film side of things, 1:20:01.800 --> 1:20:07.360 I was wondering what differences physically you've noticed. Obviously his 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:11.519 freshman year, he just dominated the SEC and then he 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:17.920 tested like crap because he was hurt. Rookie year didn't 1:20:17.960 --> 1:20:21.280 do that much. I mean, I don't study the film, 1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:26.720 but I didn't notice anything particularly outstanding physically. And then 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:29.360 this past week he I know there was some hand 1:20:29.360 --> 1:20:31.640 fighting and he was sitting on the route, but he 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:35.400 ran by Derek Stingley, who's a four to three corner 1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:37.799 and probably a top ten or twelve corner in the league. 1:20:38.720 --> 1:20:40.519 So I was just wondering what you guys have seen 1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:45.679 from him physically that might make a difference in how 1:20:45.680 --> 1:20:47.439 he's been playing. And I'll take it off the air. 1:20:47.520 --> 1:20:50.320 Thanks guys, Thanks Jenn, thanks for the call. So with 1:20:50.520 --> 1:20:54.439 Jay with Kaish on Booty, excuse me, I I got 1:20:54.439 --> 1:20:57.840 to apologize to kaishon Boody. I was not familiar with 1:20:57.880 --> 1:21:00.640 your game, right, Like, I really wasn't a big a 1:21:00.680 --> 1:21:02.799 big booty guy. No, no pun intended. 1:21:03.160 --> 1:21:04.400 Yeah, the first one to make that joke. 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:07.840 Well, yeah, I wasn't a big kishon booty guy. I 1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:11.280 hate that we do that where like you know how 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:14.280 much I love Pop Douglas from start to finish, you know, 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:17.000 draft and everything, and then it always kind of comes 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:19.200 off like you hate the other guy, you know, like 1:21:19.240 --> 1:21:22.000 that's that's just sort of the way that those things work. 1:21:22.560 --> 1:21:25.720 I wasn't a big kishon booty guy. I didn't necessarily 1:21:25.760 --> 1:21:27.280 see this coming from him, that he was all of 1:21:27.320 --> 1:21:29.479 a sudden going to be like a core contributor to 1:21:29.520 --> 1:21:32.839 the offense. I don't think physically he looks all that different. 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:35.080 I just think mentally he looks more locked in, and 1:21:35.120 --> 1:21:39.599 he looks more just like sure of himself and confident 1:21:39.720 --> 1:21:42.280 on an NFL field, which is great to see, like 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:46.080 he's playing great, Like it's not the production isn't crazy. 1:21:46.400 --> 1:21:48.160 Like he made two catches I think in this game. 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:50.599 One of them was obviously a forty yard touchdown, which 1:21:50.640 --> 1:21:54.240 is huge, but it's it's really one big play. But 1:21:54.400 --> 1:21:56.599 at the same time, you know, he's he's blocking well, 1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:58.960 he's making big plays down the field. I think his 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:01.240 confidence is a little bit better than it was maybe 1:22:01.960 --> 1:22:05.080 you know, last season, earlier even this season, and the 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:07.519 late speed on Stingley showed up. You know, the ball 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:09.240 was in the air and he pulled away from Derek 1:22:09.280 --> 1:22:12.000 Stingley on the touchdown. I didn't necessarily know if he 1:22:12.080 --> 1:22:14.120 had that in his back either, not just because of 1:22:14.160 --> 1:22:16.160 the forty time, but just you know, he was more 1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:18.559 of like a first and second level guy at LSU. 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:20.280 Even when he was playing well, it was like those 1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:22.920 slants and stuff like that over the middle of the field. 1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:25.559 So he deserves credit. He's worked his butt off, is 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:30.040 what everybody keeps telling us, like born Pop Avp, like 1:22:30.080 --> 1:22:33.160 all these guys are saying that he flipped a switch 1:22:33.160 --> 1:22:35.719 and he started really working his tail off behind the scenes, 1:22:35.800 --> 1:22:38.040 and I love seeing that, Like, good, good for him, 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:39.240 kudos to him. 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:44.679 Yeah, and I really wit Like if you remember back 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:46.800 when we did that draft, I was really high on 1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:49.200 Kishan Boody at the beginning. I wish I knew and 1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:51.120 I don't know why he ran a forty with the 1:22:51.160 --> 1:22:53.400 bust at ankle, but he did. I wish I knew 1:22:53.400 --> 1:22:55.240 that at the time, because I wouldn't have backed off 1:22:55.360 --> 1:22:57.559 my I would have been I would have stayed as 1:22:57.560 --> 1:22:59.080 strong on the take that like he should be a 1:22:59.160 --> 1:23:02.519 target for the Patriot. It's the thing with me, and 1:23:02.560 --> 1:23:04.240 every time we got these calls about him in the 1:23:04.280 --> 1:23:08.240 spring and the summer, like the talent has always been there, 1:23:08.400 --> 1:23:09.760 just hasn't been there consistently. 1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:10.639 Yeah, like you. 1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:12.439 See what the guy's capable of, but he would have 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:14.400 like one big day of practice and you wouldn't see 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:16.080 him again for a week, and then you have a 1:23:16.080 --> 1:23:17.519 big day and then you wouldn't see him. And you 1:23:17.600 --> 1:23:21.080 just have to be consistent in the NFL. He's consistent 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:23.439 right now, like you're seeing it day in, you're seeing 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:25.320 it game in and game out. And I would think 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:27.960 the fact that his playtime is not just steady but 1:23:28.040 --> 1:23:32.040 increasing tells me that that being reflected at practice as well. 1:23:32.560 --> 1:23:35.439 And that's what's big for him. Like the whole thing 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:38.280 last year was there was no consistency to it. He 1:23:38.360 --> 1:23:41.080 wasn't a reliable player. The skill set was clear, but 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:43.000 you just didn't know that he was going to give you. 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:46.080 His top performance came in and came out. Now you're 1:23:46.080 --> 1:23:48.800 starting to see that, and now you're starting to see 1:23:48.800 --> 1:23:51.960 some of what made him such an exciting player at LSU. 1:23:52.400 --> 1:23:54.120 And that's what's big for me is just you talk 1:23:54.120 --> 1:23:56.320 about him being more locked in, like, yeah, I just 1:23:56.360 --> 1:23:59.600 think he's more focused, and I think it's probably a 1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:02.519 better environment for him. I do wonder how much it 1:24:03.200 --> 1:24:05.200 messed with his confidence last year that he doesn't get 1:24:05.240 --> 1:24:07.280 that foot down in the opener and then suddenly doesn't 1:24:07.280 --> 1:24:10.320 get the play right right. I think that probably impacted him, 1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:13.120 and I think that the internal belief in him has 1:24:13.200 --> 1:24:15.760 led to more confidence, and that in turn has led 1:24:15.800 --> 1:24:18.519 to him being more focused. And he's just in a 1:24:18.560 --> 1:24:20.360 good place right now and you love to see it. 1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:23.200 And he's got to keep it up, obviously, But this 1:24:23.280 --> 1:24:24.800 is a guy that has a ton of talent and 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:28.120 he's finally a position to showcase it. He's doing that, Yeah, him, 1:24:28.120 --> 1:24:28.920 that's what's all about. 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:31.599 Yeah, and winning on the vertical routree a lot too, 1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:35.400 like whether it's like stops or comebacks, and then obviously 1:24:35.520 --> 1:24:38.800 goes their verticals like that. That part of his game. 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:41.599 I wasn't really what he did at LSU. 1:24:41.760 --> 1:24:43.800 No, he's a middle of the field or super at LSU, 1:24:43.800 --> 1:24:45.720 which is part of what excites me because if he's 1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:49.760 now establishing this vertical stuff, you can build off of that, 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:51.760 and you know, if teams are going to have to 1:24:51.760 --> 1:24:55.760 play off of them, he'll take He'll run slants. You 1:24:55.760 --> 1:24:58.320 can run him on slants all day. Yeah, and he'll 1:24:58.360 --> 1:25:00.479 take one of the house. If you throw him five 1:25:00.560 --> 1:25:02.760 or six slants, he'll break one of them up the 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:04.400 field for a big gain, if not a touchdown. 1:25:04.479 --> 1:25:04.679 Yeah. 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:06.599 So because that's what he was doing in LSU, Right, 1:25:06.640 --> 1:25:10.280 So what's cool about this is like, he's not that 1:25:10.360 --> 1:25:12.960 guy you think of on the for forty yard go ball, 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:14.559 Like that's not who he is. 1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:16.639 No, So I agree, if. 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:19.360 He's doing that, there's so much more you can build 1:25:19.400 --> 1:25:21.200 off of that. And now let's see how they do it. 1:25:21.320 --> 1:25:22.880 Yeah. I mean this goes back to what I was 1:25:22.960 --> 1:25:26.080 kind of saying about Drake May with the man coverage stuff. Like, 1:25:26.120 --> 1:25:28.040 now if you see more off or you see more 1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:30.120 like soft zone because of that, he's just gonna start 1:25:30.160 --> 1:25:31.800 running unders and slants and things. 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:34.519 And Kaisehan Booty is the guy like get the the 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:37.640 like ceiling ceiling com form in that draft. Do you 1:25:37.640 --> 1:25:42.240 remember who it was I know ceiling ceiling sitting was 1:25:42.320 --> 1:25:47.479 Debo because kind of like this big strong receiver that's 1:25:47.479 --> 1:25:51.040 a ceiling I said, ceiling seat you get, But but 1:25:51.080 --> 1:25:53.840 do you see where like like I could see what 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:55.880 people were saying with that, and I never thought he 1:25:55.960 --> 1:25:58.479 was gonna be Deebo. But it's like, if you get 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:01.600 him the ball in space, he's a problem, not the 1:26:01.600 --> 1:26:03.840 way they've got like Pop Douglas is a problem, or 1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:06.040 not in the way that Julie Edelman is a problem. 1:26:06.160 --> 1:26:08.000 He's a type of guy, right. 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:11.080 He's a big, physical ball carrier that when he gets 1:26:11.120 --> 1:26:13.720 ahead of steam, you're probably not going to tackle him 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:15.680 one on one. So when if you can get him 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:17.840 going over the middle of the field underneath and set 1:26:17.920 --> 1:26:21.240 up situations where he's catching the ball in space, like 1:26:21.560 --> 1:26:23.679 he's going to be able to do things off of that. Yeah, 1:26:23.760 --> 1:26:25.280 I'm not saying he's Deebo. I'm not saying he's going 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:28.000 to be Debo. But that was like the the player 1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:30.840 proto type, the apex of that prototype. 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:33.280 This is this is very different from Debo, Like this 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:34.479 is outside receivers. 1:26:34.600 --> 1:26:36.000 Well, that's what I'm saying. The goal ball is like, 1:26:36.240 --> 1:26:38.880 all right, that is not what I thought he was 1:26:38.960 --> 1:26:41.640 like if to me him having success, wasn't that to 1:26:41.680 --> 1:26:42.880 me him having success? 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:46.800 Douglas catch and run stuff, right, Yeah, you know he's 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:52.040 vertical routes like he's running corners, he's running verticals, he's 1:26:52.120 --> 1:26:54.479 running comebacks a lot of the time, or like stop 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:57.960 routes along the sideline off that vertical action, and like 1:26:58.040 --> 1:27:01.479 he's getting open on these routes, and it's it's good 1:27:01.479 --> 1:27:04.479 to see you. Like I said, you know, you start 1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:06.240 to get teams to back off now a little bit. 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:07.960 They start to fear the deep ball a little bit 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:10.160 more with Drake May and now all of a sudden, 1:27:10.160 --> 1:27:12.439 all that underneath stuff is gonna is gonna be open 1:27:12.520 --> 1:27:13.800 and they're gonna be able to get him the ball 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:18.160 that way. So it's encouraging to see. They needed somebody 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:20.640 because you have Pop who needs to play in the 1:27:20.680 --> 1:27:24.719 slot ruh Jalen Polk's really a flanker, like he's really 1:27:24.760 --> 1:27:28.080 a z or an off the line receiver. And then 1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:30.599 you have Kendrick Bourne who's really like a flanker off 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:33.639 the line receiver too. So to get those four guys 1:27:33.680 --> 1:27:37.240 on the you know, in the mix together, somebody had 1:27:37.280 --> 1:27:40.560 to play the X like somebody had to play outside. 1:27:40.960 --> 1:27:43.040 They've had to play Jalen Polk there a lot more 1:27:43.080 --> 1:27:45.960 than I think they want to. And if Kaishan Boody 1:27:46.040 --> 1:27:49.439 can continue this, then maybe he can be a more 1:27:49.479 --> 1:27:52.360 permanent X and allow those other guys to play to 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:54.800 their restraints and play to their skill sets. So it's 1:27:54.840 --> 1:27:55.479 it's good to see it. 1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:57.680 And just on Kishan Boody, one more thing before he 1:27:57.760 --> 1:27:59.920 fell off in that twenty two year, you take that out. 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:03.639 His freshman year when he broke out, he averaged eight 1:28:03.760 --> 1:28:08.519 yards after the catch, yeah, per reception. He followed it 1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:10.639 up with seven. The next year he had over half 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:12.640 his yards after the catch. So not a guy you 1:28:12.680 --> 1:28:15.040 think of that catches, you know, forty yard touchdown, catches 1:28:15.080 --> 1:28:18.280 it at the one from thirty nine yards away. Not 1:28:18.360 --> 1:28:20.240 usually who he is, but if he can add it, great. 1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:22.479 Phil is in Coventry. What's up, Phil? 1:28:24.280 --> 1:28:25.599 Hey? How you guys doing? 1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:26.200 Hey? 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:26.880 Good? 1:28:28.000 --> 1:28:31.960 Oh well, you're totally ruined my leaving things because I 1:28:32.040 --> 1:28:36.240 was going to talk about case Sean and now I 1:28:36.400 --> 1:28:40.120 kind of been been a fan since they drafted him 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:43.400 and waiting for him come out and finally doing it. 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:46.639 But I guess we can do that with Drake May. 1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:53.599 And I'm kind of considering that, thinking that Drake May 1:28:53.760 --> 1:29:04.840 is kind of like, uh, crap, don't see his cat? Hello, Hello, yep, 1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:12.040 And you know, because it's I'm assuming you guys are 1:29:12.120 --> 1:29:16.519 aware of the theory of uh, they put the cat 1:29:16.560 --> 1:29:20.040 in the box shoating his cat. Excuse me. 1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:22.240 We've actually done Schrodinger's Cat on the show before. I 1:29:22.240 --> 1:29:23.600 don't remember what it was. We did it and I 1:29:23.920 --> 1:29:26.120 said it was I said something. I said it was 1:29:26.120 --> 1:29:31.160 like a psychological thing or philosophical No, that was different. 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:33.840 It was around there, No Schrodinger's Cat. 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:36.400 What it is is you put a cat in a 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:39.200 box with a vile of poison. 1:29:39.720 --> 1:29:43.679 Theoretically, you don't actually do that. It's a theoretically yes. 1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:46.880 We are not we're not. We're not you know, saying 1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:49.640 that this is good to do or anything, and we 1:29:49.680 --> 1:29:55.439 don't do that. But but at that point, nobody knows 1:29:55.479 --> 1:29:58.600 whether or not the cat is taking the poison. So 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:01.120 you don't know if the cat is alive or dead 1:30:01.880 --> 1:30:05.200 until you open the box. And I think that everyone 1:30:05.240 --> 1:30:10.120 needs to, you know, put breaks on with Drake May. 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:15.040 We cover on for a little bit and until we 1:30:15.560 --> 1:30:18.400 really want to open it up and see what we 1:30:18.560 --> 1:30:22.320 got because this is only one week, you know, and 1:30:22.720 --> 1:30:25.799 it's gonna be tough even this week without Romandre Vina, 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:28.840 you know, and having the running game going on and 1:30:28.880 --> 1:30:32.439 all of that. So the other thing I wanted to 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:36.840 ask you guys about is, uh, I believe there's an 1:30:36.960 --> 1:30:42.200 edge rusher in on the Eagles that we may be 1:30:42.400 --> 1:30:46.439 able to grab and sign and you know, I mean 1:30:46.840 --> 1:30:49.320 kind of help out the defense a little bit take 1:30:49.439 --> 1:30:50.360 place of Judaan. 1:30:50.720 --> 1:30:52.160 You talk about Sondick, and. 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:55.160 I believe it is. 1:30:55.360 --> 1:30:59.880 Yes, the Jets, I don't think the division viable. 1:31:00.040 --> 1:31:03.679 Whether that's uh you know what're talking about. 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:07.000 Yeah, thanks for the call, Phil, I appreciated and uh, 1:31:07.160 --> 1:31:09.800 I agree with it with his his what's what's the cat? 1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:14.320 Schrodinger's cat. So it's a it's a thought experiment. It's 1:31:14.360 --> 1:31:15.599 basically if I'm I know. 1:31:15.560 --> 1:31:18.360 He got it, he got it, I get it. It's 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:21.400 a little premature, id to start crowning him. We're not 1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:24.559 fitting Drake may for any Red Jackets yet, but. 1:31:24.520 --> 1:31:26.719 I feel like starting him was opening the box. 1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:31.559 Uh. I think starting him was putting him in the box, right. 1:31:31.640 --> 1:31:33.280 No, drafting him was putting him in the box. 1:31:33.320 --> 1:31:35.080 No, starting him was putting him in the box, because 1:31:35.120 --> 1:31:37.400 now he's in the box with the poison and we're 1:31:37.520 --> 1:31:39.120 and we're trying to figure out what we have. 1:31:39.360 --> 1:31:41.120 But the whole point is you're not observing it. We're 1:31:41.120 --> 1:31:44.360 observing Drake Mane. It's it's about observation. If I know 1:31:44.439 --> 1:31:46.599 this correctly, Okay, I got I got in trouble last 1:31:46.600 --> 1:31:49.920 time because I got this wrong. Like I understand the concept. 1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:52.000 This is definitely more your side of the street. I 1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:53.440 have no idea what we're talking. 1:31:53.160 --> 1:31:56.400 About, so I would say I would guess, and people 1:31:56.400 --> 1:31:57.920 in the YouTube comments, I'm sure'll correct me. 1:31:58.040 --> 1:31:59.440 This is not Yankee concepts. 1:32:00.400 --> 1:32:03.280 Him is putting him in the box. We've now like 1:32:03.400 --> 1:32:06.040 opened up the box. But it's not instant. That's the difference. 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:07.960 This is like an instant thing. You'd see it, yes 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:10.160 or no. It's not gonna be instant with Drake. 1:32:10.040 --> 1:32:13.320 May Okay, to his last point about Hasan reddick that 1:32:13.320 --> 1:32:16.360 that's probably not happening because he's with technically with the Jets. 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:18.920 But I do have a The trade deadline is on 1:32:19.040 --> 1:32:21.439 election day this year, November fourth, right. 1:32:23.000 --> 1:32:23.120 Day. 1:32:23.680 --> 1:32:24.280 I know it's that too. 1:32:24.680 --> 1:32:27.040 Other day I pulled that date out of my fifth 1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:29.360 November fifth, I was close. I do kind of have 1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:34.400 a take on on the trade deadline, and maybe I 1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:37.040 don't know if this is going to be popular. I 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:40.880 actually think I might be in the minority here if 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:45.200 I was the Patriots. I'm not totally out on the 1:32:45.240 --> 1:32:50.719 Patriots buying players at the deadline. The main reason why, 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:54.080 and it's a certain specific type of player, like let 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:57.120 me put it, let me be clear about that. They're 1:32:57.160 --> 1:33:01.360 not like I agree wholeheartedly that like DeVante Adams had 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:04.439 made no sense for them. Amari Cooper I don't think 1:33:04.520 --> 1:33:07.320 made a ton of sense for them either. But if 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:09.400 we get to the trade deadline, and I'm just gonna 1:33:09.439 --> 1:33:11.439 use this as an example because it's a common example. 1:33:12.360 --> 1:33:14.679 If we get to the trade deadline, which is November fifth, 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:19.080 so we're a couple weeks away, and the Cincinnati Bengals 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:21.560 are two and six, Yeah, and they don't feel like 1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:24.160 they're gonna be pulling out of this nosedive that they're in. 1:33:24.200 --> 1:33:26.280 They're not pulling up the plane, nose of the plane. 1:33:26.439 --> 1:33:28.719 Joe Burrow's like low Ki having an MVP season. 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:30.200 Yeah, and they're terrible. 1:33:30.400 --> 1:33:31.040 Yeah, it's weird. 1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:37.760 So I am not totally against the Patriots trading for 1:33:37.760 --> 1:33:42.639 T Higgins because that's not an investment for to put 1:33:42.680 --> 1:33:45.360 you over the top in twenty twenty four. That is 1:33:45.400 --> 1:33:48.280 a future investment to build this rock. 1:33:48.400 --> 1:33:50.600 So basically what the Bears did last year with was 1:33:50.640 --> 1:33:51.760 it Montes sweat right. 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:52.240 Good example. 1:33:52.360 --> 1:33:56.920 So I'm I'm with you as long as that comes 1:33:56.960 --> 1:33:59.679 with an extension. I wouldn't during the We're gonna trade 1:33:59.680 --> 1:34:02.400 for now and hope he likes a year so we 1:34:02.439 --> 1:34:03.719 can resign him in the spring. 1:34:03.960 --> 1:34:06.280 I'm talking about making an investment for the future. 1:34:06.479 --> 1:34:08.360 Yeah, it's got to come with an ext I'm with you, 1:34:08.400 --> 1:34:09.719 But I think they can do both. 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:14.040 Like sure, I think this is a rare occasion where 1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:15.719 both actually could make some sense. 1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:19.040 Yeah. Uh, Like I actually think I know people are 1:34:19.040 --> 1:34:21.759 really down on kJ Osbourne. Yeah, I actually think kJ 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:24.600 Osborne has value to a contending team because. 1:34:24.240 --> 1:34:25.280 He's an NFL receiver. 1:34:25.320 --> 1:34:27.240 He's not always an NFL receiver. Like you see what 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:30.479 he can do when he's next to guys like Justin Jefferson, 1:34:30.560 --> 1:34:33.400 Jordan Addison, yeh in the coverage isn't being dictated towards him. 1:34:33.439 --> 1:34:35.240 That's obviously not the case. Here, even if you add 1:34:35.240 --> 1:34:37.479 t Higgins, that's probably not the case here. But if 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:39.880 even if Minnesota has an injury, maybe they want to 1:34:39.960 --> 1:34:42.400 back or another one of these teams. Right, maybe you're 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:43.800 not gonna tram him the Jets in the division. But 1:34:43.840 --> 1:34:45.680 like if team like the Jets replacing Mike Williams or 1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:48.320 somebody as an injury, like I think you can get 1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:51.360 something for kJ Osborn. Maybe not gonna get top one 1:34:51.400 --> 1:34:53.080 hundred pick, but you get a fifth round pick that 1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:55.559 plays into a trade next year or something. So like 1:34:56.040 --> 1:34:58.559 you know, I I think both makes sense. I also 1:34:58.680 --> 1:35:00.600 just think, you know, opening up or off spots for 1:35:00.640 --> 1:35:03.479 younger guys. How happy is Taekwon Thornton here right now? 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:03.960 Yeah? 1:35:04.000 --> 1:35:06.639 Probably not? Like he's getting passed over left and right. 1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:10.360 Can you just get him off the roster he gets 1:35:10.400 --> 1:35:12.880 to go somewhere where he's gonna play. You get even 1:35:12.920 --> 1:35:15.839 if it's a conditional seventh, and then you get to elevate, 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:17.800 you know, somebody from the practice squad, or you create 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:20.599 more snaps for somebody else. I think both makes sense. 1:35:20.640 --> 1:35:22.479 Like I would not be opposed to them looking for 1:35:22.520 --> 1:35:26.000 that Monteese sweat sort of trade. I'd probably only do 1:35:26.040 --> 1:35:28.200 it for a receiver, maybe an edge rusher. 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:28.599 Or a tackle. 1:35:29.360 --> 1:35:31.599 It's just not gonna happen. Yeah, in theory, but that's not. 1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:34.040 Okay, I'm not one hundred percent sure it's not gonna 1:35:34.040 --> 1:35:37.479 happen at tackle because this is like the pre agent thing, right, 1:35:37.560 --> 1:35:39.639 Like you look at some of those guys. I think 1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:41.599 Garrett Bowles is getting a little bit up there in age. 1:35:41.640 --> 1:35:44.120 He's like thirty two, thirty one, thirty two years old, 1:35:44.160 --> 1:35:47.639 so maybe not him. But like in Jacksonville, Cam Robinson 1:35:47.680 --> 1:35:50.840 they're starting left tackle, is a really solid player. He's 1:35:50.920 --> 1:35:53.680 gonna be a free agent next offseason. Who knows what 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:55.679 the Jaguars. Where the Jaguars are going. 1:35:55.920 --> 1:35:58.320 Yeah, I just think if I'm one of those guys, 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:00.759 I mean I'm hitting the market, okay. 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:03.960 But my point being, no, in general, like we can 1:36:03.960 --> 1:36:05.000 throw out names because. 1:36:05.160 --> 1:36:06.679 I would do it for a tackle, I just wouldn't 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:07.160 count on it. 1:36:07.240 --> 1:36:09.200 Yeah, it's important to put the name a name to 1:36:09.200 --> 1:36:11.320 the claim and not just like throw hot air out. 1:36:11.200 --> 1:36:13.240 There because you say that, like you say, oh, you know, 1:36:13.280 --> 1:36:15.439 maybe they trade for a tackle deadline and then we 1:36:15.479 --> 1:36:17.760 get a million questions about every tackle in the league. 1:36:17.760 --> 1:36:19.200 Remember that guy that called in and wanted them to 1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:22.360 trade for Pina Seoul. Yes, Like that's what I'm trying 1:36:22.400 --> 1:36:26.160 to say that. It's like, sure, you know, there's realistic 1:36:26.200 --> 1:36:28.800 conversation you can have about receivers and edge rushers. I 1:36:28.840 --> 1:36:31.640 don't think you can realistically have that. You can be 1:36:31.720 --> 1:36:33.600 open to it, but I don't think you can realistically 1:36:33.600 --> 1:36:35.599 have that conversation for an edge rusher. 1:36:35.640 --> 1:36:38.599 So my point with this take though, just to put 1:36:38.600 --> 1:36:41.800 a bow on it, the Patriots should be in the 1:36:41.960 --> 1:36:47.760 talent acquisition business. Yes, and you know me, I'm a 1:36:47.760 --> 1:36:51.840 pseudo FM picks kind of guy. Yeah, I'm not touching 1:36:51.840 --> 1:36:53.920 your first or your second round pick. Those are gonna 1:36:53.960 --> 1:36:57.080 be top five to ten picks in those rounds. You're 1:36:57.080 --> 1:36:58.160 not touching those picks. 1:36:58.240 --> 1:37:00.280 I think. Don't you have to trade the second for Higgins? 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:01.280 Though probably. 1:37:02.840 --> 1:37:07.240 Maybe? I mean he's technically a rental, Like I don't know, 1:37:08.920 --> 1:37:10.680 Maybe I would put the second round pick on the 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:11.720 table for Higgins. 1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:14.480 If you can do Higgins for the third, Like, hell, yeah. 1:37:14.240 --> 1:37:15.960 Maybe I put the second round pick. I'm not like 1:37:16.000 --> 1:37:17.200 necessarily thinking about it. 1:37:17.120 --> 1:37:19.960 Like this this deep, but like that you have to 1:37:20.040 --> 1:37:21.320 write if you're gonna say, well. 1:37:21.280 --> 1:37:25.599 My point is is just in general, Yeah, like we 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:28.240 and I this is just a philosophical belief in mine. 1:37:28.479 --> 1:37:32.080 We put way too much emphasis on these draft picks 1:37:32.080 --> 1:37:35.000 sometimes and we treat them like they are this like 1:37:36.800 --> 1:37:41.080 slam dunk commodity. And I get that it's an imperfect science. 1:37:41.120 --> 1:37:44.719 And like you could, I could say, you know, Yadney 1:37:44.800 --> 1:37:47.439 could justin. You could say Fred Warner right, like, you know, 1:37:47.479 --> 1:37:49.880 we could do this all day long. But the point 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:54.360 is is that those picks are only as valuable as 1:37:54.360 --> 1:37:57.000 the player they turned into. And what we've learned here 1:37:57.360 --> 1:38:02.200 over the last couple of years is that sometimes those 1:38:02.240 --> 1:38:06.160 picks end up being completely not NFL players. And if 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:08.680 I'm the Patriots, you know, the Montes sweat trade, I 1:38:08.680 --> 1:38:10.719 didn't even think of that as such a great example. 1:38:11.120 --> 1:38:12.719 Like that's literally what you're describing. 1:38:13.160 --> 1:38:16.680 They should be about stacking talent on this roster, not 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:20.760 about oh, like maybe we'll draft Jake Andrews in the 1:38:20.800 --> 1:38:21.840 fourth round next year. 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:25.600 So what if it's more about like I don't entirely disagree, 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:29.759 but all right, so t Higgins the receiver available to deadline? Yeah, 1:38:30.160 --> 1:38:33.960 what happens if like, like, all right to move your 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:36.439 second for Higgins? And I get to the offseason and 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:39.479 DK Metcalf's available, or maybe Bill goes to Dallas and 1:38:39.520 --> 1:38:41.360 realize it's not gonna work with Ceedee Lamb and he 1:38:41.400 --> 1:38:45.120 becomes available, or I don't eame a receiver, right. 1:38:45.080 --> 1:38:46.120 Yeah, I hear what you like. 1:38:46.840 --> 1:38:49.040 I don't think you can count on that, though I 1:38:49.120 --> 1:38:52.680 almost feel like he can. I know you can't, Like 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:53.960 I know you can't, but. 1:38:54.439 --> 1:38:56.479 You're not gonna get this DK Metcalf thing out of 1:38:56.479 --> 1:38:56.840 your head? 1:38:56.960 --> 1:39:00.000 Has there? Well? I to be fair, I'm kind of 1:39:00.240 --> 1:39:02.720 using DK Metcalf as a placeholder because I think he's 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:07.880 the most realistic. But when was there a period in 1:39:07.920 --> 1:39:11.839 the last five years in the NFL when a star 1:39:11.840 --> 1:39:15.280 receiver wasn't at least available and I acknowledged that they 1:39:15.320 --> 1:39:16.320 didn't all move? 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:19.400 Yeah, ultimately right like two years ago, like Hopkins was 1:39:19.400 --> 1:39:22.800 like the best receiver that ended up being available. There 1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:24.639 was no like splash wide. 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:28.000 Okay, so I guess that. But like if we were 1:39:28.040 --> 1:39:31.920 sitting here in and we wouldn't have been because the 1:39:31.920 --> 1:39:34.280 team is in a different spot. But if we were 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:37.360 sitting here in like I think it was what twenty 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:39.880 twenty two, Oh no, it would have made sense, all right, 1:39:39.960 --> 1:39:42.240 they need a receiver for mac Jones. Yeah, And I 1:39:42.280 --> 1:39:44.160 had said, what if they trade for Tyreek Killed, you 1:39:44.160 --> 1:39:46.040 would have kicked me off the show. I understand what 1:39:46.040 --> 1:39:47.920 you would have kicked you and said, what are you 1:39:47.960 --> 1:39:51.040 talking about? That is the top five most untouchable player. 1:39:51.160 --> 1:39:52.800 But isn't that the point that we're both Like, we're 1:39:52.800 --> 1:39:55.080 both kind of making the same point, because like my 1:39:55.160 --> 1:39:59.000 whole thing is is that I just wouldn't overvalue the 1:39:59.080 --> 1:40:02.479 picks because because right now the Patriots don't need draft picks, 1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:03.360 they need Town. 1:40:03.280 --> 1:40:05.800 So I would I I'm agreeing with you on that, Like, 1:40:05.800 --> 1:40:07.760 I'm not against trading it when it was twenty two 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:11.679 that he'll get traded. I guess my point is more, 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:14.760 I'm not against trading the pick for a player. I'm 1:40:14.800 --> 1:40:20.000 totally on board with that. Yeah, you might have more options, 1:40:20.760 --> 1:40:22.400 Like once you trade that pick, that's it. That's the 1:40:22.400 --> 1:40:24.960 player you end up with. And if it's t Higgins 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:26.960 or nobody at the deadline, and then you get to 1:40:27.000 --> 1:40:31.000 the offseason and there's four or five guys available to 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:35.040 you that are better than Higgins, like it's well, you know, 1:40:35.640 --> 1:40:37.439 we rush to make the move and we missed out. 1:40:37.479 --> 1:40:40.479 On a better player. I'm not against that. Now if 1:40:40.520 --> 1:40:43.280 you can do it for a third. Now, now maybe 1:40:43.280 --> 1:40:45.360 you get Higgins for a third, and then you do 1:40:45.439 --> 1:40:47.400 go out and get DK Metcalf for a second, and 1:40:47.439 --> 1:40:48.960 now you're really I mean, you probably get it. 1:40:49.120 --> 1:40:51.559 But like if you talk about it from Cincinnati's perspective, 1:40:51.600 --> 1:40:53.880 just to play out the T Higgins thing. But again, 1:40:53.960 --> 1:40:58.080 I just like, philosophically, I just really believe strongly that 1:40:59.200 --> 1:41:03.040 you don't pass up opportunities to bring in talented. 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:04.599 So okay, so this is where we're going to disagree. 1:41:04.640 --> 1:41:07.840 I don't disagree with trading the pick. I believe philosophically 1:41:09.120 --> 1:41:12.080 there's always more talent available in the offseason. Like I 1:41:12.120 --> 1:41:16.200 am not a huge fan of like big It is 1:41:16.280 --> 1:41:16.960 kind of across all. 1:41:17.560 --> 1:41:19.960 But the one difference about the off season though, right 1:41:20.640 --> 1:41:24.160 is that the pool of teams that have the flexibility 1:41:24.240 --> 1:41:27.680 now to make that type of move increases. And I 1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:30.240 think the one situation that the Patriots are in right 1:41:30.280 --> 1:41:33.000 now is that it's hard to convince people to come. 1:41:33.120 --> 1:41:35.400 So what I would say is there are the teams 1:41:35.400 --> 1:41:36.880 that can make that move, but the Patriots pick is 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:38.479 probably gonna be higher than most of those teams. 1:41:38.680 --> 1:41:40.640 But this is all true, just all the things in 1:41:40.680 --> 1:41:41.120 the last off. 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:43.440 No, no, but it's not let me finish. The Patriots 1:41:43.439 --> 1:41:45.280 pick is gonna be hired in most teams. You get 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:48.439 more money to offer, more money to offer than most teams. 1:41:48.840 --> 1:41:51.720 All right, you want what changed your guy? This was 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:53.160 the whole thing about play the kid. 1:41:53.320 --> 1:41:57.040 But my guy could he could be great. We're on 1:41:57.080 --> 1:41:59.479 his own without any trades or out any moves or 1:41:59.479 --> 1:42:04.040 any anything like that. But you're it's probably still gonna 1:42:04.040 --> 1:42:06.400 be what it was on Sunday, where there's gonna be 1:42:06.400 --> 1:42:07.760 some ups and there's gonna be some day. 1:42:07.920 --> 1:42:10.080 I think you can still sell a receiver on what 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:10.840 you saw on Sunday. 1:42:11.760 --> 1:42:15.280 I agree, but I'm biased, Like I think the kid's awesome. 1:42:15.320 --> 1:42:19.519 So like I'm biased, right, but like I just I 1:42:19.920 --> 1:42:23.800 just am saying that I wouldn't I wouldn't mind that. 1:42:24.000 --> 1:42:27.360 And I also think that there's value, Like, yes, if 1:42:27.400 --> 1:42:30.320 they traded for a guy like t Higgins at the deadline, 1:42:30.560 --> 1:42:32.599 are they all of a sudden get to rattle off 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:35.439 like six or whatever, how many maybe weeks they're left, 1:42:35.479 --> 1:42:37.479 you know, eight straight wins to end the season. No, 1:42:38.000 --> 1:42:41.320 so you're not gonna completely change the course of your 1:42:41.360 --> 1:42:45.479 franchise with that move. But there's value in well, now 1:42:45.520 --> 1:42:48.000 we have T Higgins for the next four years on 1:42:48.040 --> 1:42:50.160 this team because we signed him to a mega extension 1:42:50.200 --> 1:42:55.120 after doing this trade. Now we maybe have some momentum 1:42:55.160 --> 1:42:58.360 going into your two of Drake may because he has 1:42:58.400 --> 1:43:00.439 T Higgins for the second half of you or one, 1:43:00.920 --> 1:43:02.880 and all of a sudden, like the offense looks like 1:43:02.920 --> 1:43:06.160 a legit offense and we're going into your two with 1:43:07.240 --> 1:43:09.880 maybe we win three out of the last six or 1:43:09.920 --> 1:43:11.920 four out of the last six, or whatever the case 1:43:12.000 --> 1:43:16.280 may be. I just I don't necessarily I hear a 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:17.920 lot of and this is why I brought it up 1:43:18.479 --> 1:43:21.240 that like they should just start selling all their players, 1:43:21.920 --> 1:43:23.840 And I agree with you that maybe it could be 1:43:23.920 --> 1:43:26.280 in the middle, like a little bit sell on the margins. 1:43:26.280 --> 1:43:28.680 I wouldn't move. I've seen people talk about moving like 1:43:32.200 --> 1:43:35.719 I like Andre Stevenson, Hunter, Henry No. We've seen people 1:43:35.760 --> 1:43:38.080 say like like Devon got Like if you want to, 1:43:38.360 --> 1:43:39.120 I wouldn't do that. 1:43:39.200 --> 1:43:41.280 And I don't mean to, you know, pick on anybody 1:43:41.280 --> 1:43:44.519 in particular, but like if you wanted to trade right then. 1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:48.200 Fine, josh Uch, I'll use Taekwon Thornton because we've heard 1:43:48.240 --> 1:43:53.080 his name in trade rumors, right, you know, don't trade 1:43:53.120 --> 1:43:56.280 any of the core guys. But yeah, that's but I 1:43:56.640 --> 1:43:58.720 just I don't know. I like, get to the off 1:43:58.840 --> 1:44:01.240 season and I think you'll have more options, and I 1:44:01.280 --> 1:44:04.719 think that's something. Now people are, oh, you're just excusing 1:44:04.760 --> 1:44:06.160 them not making yal know, if they don't make the 1:44:06.200 --> 1:44:07.960 move this offseason, I'm gonna be upset. 1:44:08.320 --> 1:44:10.400 But like my fear about move and then we can 1:44:10.479 --> 1:44:12.960 we should move on. But my fear about waiting until 1:44:13.000 --> 1:44:16.080 the off season is that you increase the pool of 1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:21.360 teams that that can get involved. And he's yet you 1:44:21.920 --> 1:44:24.439 we had this issue with Calvin Ridley, they had this 1:44:24.520 --> 1:44:27.720 issue with Brandon Nyuk, and maybe Drake May does enough 1:44:27.760 --> 1:44:29.960 that it changes all of that. But you can have 1:44:30.000 --> 1:44:33.040 the highest draft pick, you can have the most money. Yeah, 1:44:33.080 --> 1:44:35.960 and Brandon Ayyuk can give you two birds and say 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:36.880 I'm not coming here. 1:44:36.920 --> 1:44:39.479 What if? But then, like, what's stopping T Higgins from 1:44:39.479 --> 1:44:41.200 doing that? Now? I don't think that changes. 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:44.680 I don't think it necessarily because if you for TI Higgins. 1:44:44.280 --> 1:44:46.080 Like I said, you can't trade for T Higgins without 1:44:46.080 --> 1:44:47.120 signing him to an extension. 1:44:47.160 --> 1:44:49.760 I'm not saying it necessarily changes for T. Higgins, but 1:44:49.880 --> 1:44:53.080 if the Bengals want to sell T Higgins in season, 1:44:53.400 --> 1:44:57.519 there's fewer teams that can legitimately make that move, like logistically, but. 1:44:57.439 --> 1:44:58.840 If Higgins comes to you and says, well, I wan't 1:44:58.880 --> 1:45:00.120 sign an extension. 1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:03.080 Again, I just think it's like, I just think that 1:45:03.320 --> 1:45:06.080 it could be easier because the amount of teams that 1:45:06.200 --> 1:45:08.160 have the money and the flexibility. 1:45:08.200 --> 1:45:10.120 I think better because he's going to look at it 1:45:10.160 --> 1:45:11.680 and say, no, I want to hit the market. I 1:45:11.920 --> 1:45:14.520 want I want people bidding for me. I want a competition. 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:15.680 I want to drive the price up. 1:45:16.040 --> 1:45:18.479 Okay, but if you offer him thirty million dollars a year, 1:45:18.520 --> 1:45:20.400 then you're not going to get a better price than that. 1:45:21.800 --> 1:45:23.639 Is what they want of These guys just want They 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:25.559 just want to see it. They want the bidding more. 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:26.679 They want to be wooed. 1:45:27.080 --> 1:45:27.840 All right. 1:45:28.320 --> 1:45:29.960 I think we're kind of on the same page where 1:45:30.080 --> 1:45:32.799 it's yeah, this is a philosophical yeah, but I wouldn't 1:45:32.800 --> 1:45:34.080 be upset if they traded for Higgins. 1:45:34.080 --> 1:45:35.599 All right, let's get to the rest of these calls. 1:45:36.040 --> 1:45:39.879 John is in Boston. What's up, John, Hey. 1:45:39.680 --> 1:45:40.240 How's it going. 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:47.559 Hey, I just want to ask about stilting his cat. Okay, now, 1:45:47.560 --> 1:45:50.080 I'm just kidding that's a joke. But what I actually 1:45:50.120 --> 1:45:54.320 want to ask about was, I've been really disappointed by 1:45:54.360 --> 1:45:57.240 what I've seen in Michael Lenhu. I think when you're 1:45:57.240 --> 1:46:01.400 paying a guard eighteen million dollars a year, you. 1:46:01.800 --> 1:46:02.240 He's got it. 1:46:02.360 --> 1:46:04.800 Especially when he's two hundred and fifty pounds. He has 1:46:04.800 --> 1:46:07.800 to be an impact run blocker where you know that 1:46:07.960 --> 1:46:10.240 you run it behind that guy, you're gonna be able 1:46:10.240 --> 1:46:13.000 to get three yards every time. And I just haven't 1:46:13.040 --> 1:46:15.560 seen that from him, And I think that he's a 1:46:15.600 --> 1:46:17.640 guy that just deserves a lot more criticism. And I 1:46:17.640 --> 1:46:19.320 just wanted to hear what you guys thought about that. 1:46:21.040 --> 1:46:22.720 Thanks for the calle, John. I didn't even hear what 1:46:22.760 --> 1:46:26.559 he said. Was the first thing that he Oh, okay, John, 1:46:26.600 --> 1:46:29.000 thanks for the call. Yeah, I agree. I agree with 1:46:29.400 --> 1:46:31.879 I've had him on the downs a couple of times recently, 1:46:32.479 --> 1:46:34.200 had him on the downs last week because I thought 1:46:34.200 --> 1:46:36.920 he gave up pressure on the Jalen Polk touchdown. That 1:46:37.000 --> 1:46:40.599 ever was I agree, Like, I don't think he's been 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:44.360 an eighteen nineteen million dollar a year player right now. 1:46:44.200 --> 1:46:46.200 He hasn't I do put some of it on the 1:46:46.200 --> 1:46:48.400 coaching staff, because all right, so they signed him as a. 1:46:48.320 --> 1:46:49.200 Tackle, they keep moving. 1:46:49.600 --> 1:46:51.960 He spends the whole offseason at tackle, comes into camp, 1:46:52.240 --> 1:46:54.360 gets moved to guard, then later in camp he gets 1:46:54.360 --> 1:46:56.679 moved to tackle, then he goes back inside to guard, 1:46:56.800 --> 1:46:58.679 and now this week he's probably going back outside tackle. 1:46:58.760 --> 1:47:01.960 Like he can't comfort anywhere, he can't build any chemistry 1:47:01.960 --> 1:47:03.680 with anybody, he can't get in a rhythm. So like 1:47:03.800 --> 1:47:06.559 I'm not saying he's been good. I just and and 1:47:06.720 --> 1:47:08.400 you may have to write this season off. It may 1:47:08.400 --> 1:47:10.280 be too much at this point, but like, yeah, next 1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:12.439 year and this is gonna be what year six of 1:47:12.479 --> 1:47:16.719 me saying this, can we please please pick a position 1:47:16.760 --> 1:47:19.040 for Mike and WNU and leave them there? 1:47:19.080 --> 1:47:21.639 But the problem that the reason why this is happening, 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:24.320 and I'm not you're right, like I'm not arguing. 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:25.599 With you, Oh is happening. 1:47:25.640 --> 1:47:30.040 But the reason why this is happening is because they 1:47:30.040 --> 1:47:31.760 don't have anybody options, right, so. 1:47:31.880 --> 1:47:34.000 They won't address the tackle. Oh no, I agree with you. Yeah, 1:47:34.000 --> 1:47:35.800 So all right, so let me reface that. Can we 1:47:35.840 --> 1:47:40.240 please next year make sure that the tackle position is set, right, 1:47:40.439 --> 1:47:42.559 so you can put Mike on WINU at guard and 1:47:42.640 --> 1:47:45.800 leave them there. Yeah, is that better? Okay, yes, that's 1:47:45.840 --> 1:47:48.880 but like, can we create a situation in which Mike 1:47:48.960 --> 1:47:54.880 and WNU doesn't become the the last resort savior for 1:47:54.920 --> 1:47:57.800 the offensive line and has to you know, boomerang back 1:47:57.840 --> 1:47:58.919 and forth between positions. 1:47:59.000 --> 1:48:01.160 Yeah, that was the I agree with you that he 1:48:01.240 --> 1:48:04.439 deserves some grace because of that. Yeah, because a lot 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:06.479 of the issues that I'm seeing with him at guard 1:48:06.840 --> 1:48:10.360 are like he's kind of caught between playing guard like 1:48:10.439 --> 1:48:14.040 tackle almost where like with guard, everything happens a lot 1:48:14.080 --> 1:48:17.240 faster on the inside, so guys are on you quicker. 1:48:17.920 --> 1:48:20.160 You know, you're not out in as much space, right, 1:48:20.240 --> 1:48:22.960 So like when that happens, you know, he's getting guys 1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:24.920 are getting into his chest, and he's getting on skates 1:48:24.920 --> 1:48:27.320 a little bit at times playing guard because he's like, 1:48:27.360 --> 1:48:29.360 oh crap, Like this is happening a lot faster in 1:48:29.400 --> 1:48:32.080 here right than it does out there, So week to 1:48:32.120 --> 1:48:33.880 week it changes. You know, He's talked to us a 1:48:33.920 --> 1:48:36.639 few times over the course of the year, and that's 1:48:36.720 --> 1:48:39.920 always his thing. I don't care if it's tackle, right 1:48:39.960 --> 1:48:43.559 tackle or right guard. Wherever they feel like I'm my 1:48:43.720 --> 1:48:46.679 best or that is best for the team. I'm willing 1:48:46.720 --> 1:48:49.000 to do. He just wants it to be one position. 1:48:49.400 --> 1:48:52.000 He doesn't want it to be keep being this inside 1:48:52.040 --> 1:48:56.760 outside inside outside, brought hole. Yeah, like he's a utility man. 1:48:56.760 --> 1:48:58.559 It's a good way of putting it, all right. Aaron 1:48:58.640 --> 1:49:06.160 is in Connecticut. What's up, Aaron? Aaron? Aaron going once? 1:49:06.320 --> 1:49:08.400 All right, call us back. I don't think he's there. 1:49:09.120 --> 1:49:11.240 Kendall is in North Carolina. What's up Kendall? 1:49:12.360 --> 1:49:13.000 Hey, what's going on? 1:49:13.040 --> 1:49:14.240 God? Hey y'all doing good? 1:49:14.439 --> 1:49:14.599 Hey? 1:49:16.040 --> 1:49:18.840 I wanted to get asked about the Jaguars. Man, how 1:49:18.840 --> 1:49:20.960 do you think I'm thick with the whole defense matches 1:49:21.040 --> 1:49:23.519 up to get his Jaguars? I know they are what 1:49:23.720 --> 1:49:26.599 one and five and Tiva Lawrence. I don't think he's 1:49:26.600 --> 1:49:29.000 played that bad, but which I'll think about the matchup 1:49:29.040 --> 1:49:30.680 to get those receivers in tight end. 1:49:30.880 --> 1:49:33.599 Thanks thanks for the call. Ken. I'm glad you put 1:49:33.680 --> 1:49:35.479 us on the Jaguars because I did want to do 1:49:35.520 --> 1:49:38.400 that before we wrapped up the show. Uh, he asked 1:49:38.439 --> 1:49:40.800 about the defense, so we can start there. Uh this 1:49:40.920 --> 1:49:42.760 to me, first of all, I just want to say 1:49:42.760 --> 1:49:45.720 I watched her last two games on film, and I 1:49:45.760 --> 1:49:48.360 think Trevor Horns is playing fine. Look, I really don't 1:49:48.400 --> 1:49:49.240 think he's the issue. 1:49:49.320 --> 1:49:51.360 He was reacting to pressure a little weird for a 1:49:51.400 --> 1:49:53.559 couple of games. But besides that, yeah, he's. 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:56.800 Been He doesn't look he doesn't look like sped up 1:49:56.880 --> 1:50:00.400 or broken his mechanics. His lower half is still excellent 1:50:00.439 --> 1:50:01.360 like it always has been. 1:50:01.439 --> 1:50:05.160 It had what was it five passes six passes dropped 1:50:05.160 --> 1:50:06.200 in the end zone last. 1:50:06.000 --> 1:50:07.920 Week they had three passes dropped. 1:50:07.680 --> 1:50:09.760 In the end zone on the same drive, the same drive. Yeah, 1:50:09.800 --> 1:50:11.040 you know that, and then it was like five or 1:50:11.040 --> 1:50:11.599 six total. 1:50:11.720 --> 1:50:15.720 So, uh, he's second has his receivers have dropped the 1:50:15.760 --> 1:50:18.200 second most passes of any quarterback in the league. He 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:21.080 has fourteen drops on the season already in six games. 1:50:21.600 --> 1:50:26.000 I think he's playing great. I really do. In terms 1:50:26.040 --> 1:50:29.000 of matchups, and I wrote game plan today. It's up 1:50:29.040 --> 1:50:31.160 on Patriots dot com. I'm sure your previous coming if 1:50:31.160 --> 1:50:34.200 it's not up already tomorrow morning. The biggest thing I 1:50:34.240 --> 1:50:36.240 look at with matchups is I actually kind of feel 1:50:36.280 --> 1:50:40.080 like this is one of those games where the outside receivers, 1:50:40.680 --> 1:50:42.760 you know, Kirk is kind of his own thing. Uh, 1:50:42.840 --> 1:50:48.000 But Davis and Brian Thomas Junior BTJ are pretty similar, 1:50:48.320 --> 1:50:51.920 Like their target sharers are similar, their rout trees are similar. Uh, 1:50:51.960 --> 1:50:55.000 they're both vertical deep threats down the field. Like I 1:50:55.000 --> 1:50:56.960 don't My point is is, I don't necessarily know if 1:50:56.960 --> 1:51:00.640 this is a big shadow game, like you have to 1:51:00.640 --> 1:51:04.080 put Christian Gonzalez on player X, like you have to 1:51:04.080 --> 1:51:06.680 put Christianganzalez on Stefan Diggs, or you have to put 1:51:06.760 --> 1:51:12.040 Christian Gonzalez on you know, Tyreek Hill right Like this 1:51:12.120 --> 1:51:15.000 to me feels like those two guys and I obviously 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:17.639 BTJ has a higher ceiling just because he's a rookie, 1:51:17.960 --> 1:51:21.120 but they're pretty redundant as of right now of who 1:51:21.160 --> 1:51:23.600 they are. Christian Kirk in the slot worries me a 1:51:23.600 --> 1:51:26.559 little bit because he's like one of those thicker like 1:51:26.720 --> 1:51:29.439 vertical type of slot receivers, Like he's not like a 1:51:29.520 --> 1:51:33.200 Pop Douglas jitterbug type of slot. But I don't necessarily 1:51:33.200 --> 1:51:34.640 look at this as a game where they're going to 1:51:34.720 --> 1:51:40.200 have corners shadow or travel with specific receivers lasting on 1:51:40.200 --> 1:51:45.040 the Jaguars offense. This is a vertical based passing game. 1:51:45.160 --> 1:51:48.960 This is not Doug Peterson with the Philadelphia Eagles in 1:51:49.000 --> 1:51:52.120 twenty seventeen. Maybe a little bit of the Bengals, maybe 1:51:52.160 --> 1:51:55.040 a little bit, but they are a bombs away offense. 1:51:55.479 --> 1:51:59.559 Trevor Lawrence leads the league and deep pass attempts, deep 1:51:59.560 --> 1:52:02.800 pass completions. He's fourth in the league in air yards 1:52:02.840 --> 1:52:05.720 per past attempt. Like, they are bombing the ball to 1:52:05.800 --> 1:52:09.280 those receivers, as they probably should with that type of group. 1:52:09.640 --> 1:52:13.040 So big plays is a problem. They are explosive offense. 1:52:13.360 --> 1:52:16.840 They've been wildly inconsistent. They've been shooting themselves in the 1:52:16.880 --> 1:52:19.240 foot left and right, you know, but they are a 1:52:19.280 --> 1:52:20.360 big play offense. 1:52:20.920 --> 1:52:24.599 Yeah. Yeah, And that's I mentioned the Bengals because again, 1:52:24.640 --> 1:52:27.360 like they forced the Bengals to kind of just nicklin 1:52:27.400 --> 1:52:29.160 dine their way down the field and and the Bengals 1:52:29.160 --> 1:52:31.200 struggle to do it. Yeah. So I think a similar 1:52:31.200 --> 1:52:33.080 philosophical approach applies in this game. 1:52:33.600 --> 1:52:37.880 Do you Patriots offense against the Jaguars defense? I hate 1:52:37.880 --> 1:52:40.559 to like put a ton of expectations on a rookie 1:52:40.640 --> 1:52:44.920 quarterback in his second career start, but I would be 1:52:44.960 --> 1:52:47.160 disappointed if that Patriots don't put up some points in 1:52:47.200 --> 1:52:53.320 this game. This is a really, really really bad Jaguars defense, 1:52:53.360 --> 1:52:58.120 like a historically bad Jaguars defense. They're giving up the 1:52:58.160 --> 1:53:01.160 most passing yards in the league, two eighty passing yards 1:53:01.160 --> 1:53:05.360 a game. They are thirty second in DVA. They're thirty 1:53:05.400 --> 1:53:09.320 second in DVA against the pass, They're thirtieth in play 1:53:09.320 --> 1:53:12.120 action against the pass. They're also twenty eighth in the 1:53:12.200 --> 1:53:16.240 league and yards allowed on scrambles right Like, they've given 1:53:16.320 --> 1:53:18.840 up a ton to mobile quarterbacks. Caleb Williams had a 1:53:18.840 --> 1:53:22.200 couple big runs last week against them in London. This 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:28.280 is a really, really vulnerable Jags pass defense. And this, 1:53:28.360 --> 1:53:31.280 to me, is a game if you're the Patriots and 1:53:31.360 --> 1:53:34.080 Drake May who just played a really good Houston defense 1:53:34.280 --> 1:53:36.880 last week in his first career start, this is one 1:53:36.880 --> 1:53:39.760 where I hope he's able to build some true, real confidence, 1:53:39.840 --> 1:53:41.880 Like he should go out there. He puts up two 1:53:41.920 --> 1:53:44.960 hundred and forty and three touchdowns against Houston, he should 1:53:44.960 --> 1:53:46.600 be able to put up three hundred yards against this 1:53:46.680 --> 1:53:48.880 Jaguars defense. I don't even know if they're playing for 1:53:48.920 --> 1:53:51.639 their coaches anymore. Also, like that's a piece of it too. 1:53:52.880 --> 1:53:54.479 I know a lot of people are calling for Doug 1:53:54.520 --> 1:53:57.879 Peterson's head in Jacksonville, like Ryan Nielsen, their defensive coordinator. 1:53:57.920 --> 1:53:59.719 I also think is kind of on the hot seat. 1:54:00.080 --> 1:54:02.840 If they don't fire Peterson, that might be the move, right, 1:54:02.880 --> 1:54:05.439 Like somebody has to pay for this. H They are 1:54:05.520 --> 1:54:07.400 thirty second in the league right now and pretty much 1:54:07.400 --> 1:54:08.599 every metric on defense. 1:54:08.640 --> 1:54:10.160 I think this is gonna sound a little weird. I 1:54:10.200 --> 1:54:14.280 think roster wise, not schematically. Roster wise, they're similar to 1:54:14.320 --> 1:54:18.479 Houston in that if you can keep them from getting 1:54:18.520 --> 1:54:21.240 in the quarterback, you're going to be able to throw 1:54:21.280 --> 1:54:26.960 on them. And it's you know, Will Anderson, Denil Hunter excellent, 1:54:27.120 --> 1:54:30.439 like Trayvon Walker is good. They have the best Josh 1:54:30.479 --> 1:54:31.240 Allen in the league. 1:54:31.320 --> 1:54:32.880 Oh God, I know you're gonna say that. 1:54:33.160 --> 1:54:35.320 So, like it comes down to the tackles again, and 1:54:35.320 --> 1:54:37.800 like I guess I should say Josh Heines Allen chadn't 1:54:37.800 --> 1:54:39.160 want to respect to change his name, but yeah, he 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:41.200 shouldn't have had to change his name. The other guy, what's 1:54:41.240 --> 1:54:43.360 the quote from Office Space? Why should I change my name? 1:54:43.400 --> 1:54:48.000 He's the one who sucks. Yeah, But Josh Heines, Allen, 1:54:48.040 --> 1:54:51.480 Trayvon Walker, anybody on that defense stand out t Beside 1:54:51.480 --> 1:54:53.520 those two guys. I remember we were bad big Chad 1:54:53.600 --> 1:54:56.560 Mouma guys in the draft. Yeah, Chad moom is not 1:54:56.600 --> 1:54:58.280 gonna win the Jags this game, right. 1:54:58.440 --> 1:55:01.520 No, No, it's really it's really those two guys. They 1:55:01.600 --> 1:55:05.080 might be getting Tyson Campbell backed or they're starting corner. 1:55:05.160 --> 1:55:08.240 And we had a Jags beat writer on the playbook 1:55:08.320 --> 1:55:10.960 yesterday and he mentioned that they're hoping to get him 1:55:11.000 --> 1:55:14.280 back this week. He's like, there their number one corner 1:55:14.320 --> 1:55:18.760 on the sun side. Yeah, but they are another one 1:55:18.760 --> 1:55:22.520 of those teams two that plays like really a safety. 1:55:22.960 --> 1:55:27.040 Darnell Savage, Yeah, plays the nickel for their defense, just 1:55:27.080 --> 1:55:29.920 like Jalen Petree plays the nickel for Houston. And what 1:55:29.960 --> 1:55:33.200 did pop Douglas due to Jalen Petrie? So again, yes, 1:55:33.320 --> 1:55:36.480 for me, there's so like they're giving up the highest 1:55:36.480 --> 1:55:39.520 passer rating in the league to slot receivers right now. 1:55:39.960 --> 1:55:42.640 Like this matchup is so juicy, Like there's so many 1:55:42.680 --> 1:55:44.960 opportunities for the Patriots offense in this game. 1:55:45.240 --> 1:55:47.600 So again, like it's just a matter of keeping Alan 1:55:47.640 --> 1:55:50.520 and Walker off. Yeah, don't let them Mart, that's it. Yeah, 1:55:50.600 --> 1:55:53.120 because there's nobody in the secondary, there's no linebacker that's 1:55:53.160 --> 1:55:56.120 gonna like, you know, make like life tough for you. 1:55:56.160 --> 1:55:57.600 It's literally just those two guys. 1:55:57.680 --> 1:55:59.600 Yeah. So they play a lot of cover too, Like 1:55:59.680 --> 1:56:02.720 that's their bread and butter coverages, cover two zone. So 1:56:02.960 --> 1:56:05.320 it's a big week forget those cover two beaters, right, 1:56:05.320 --> 1:56:07.520 Like he dust those things off. They play a lot 1:56:07.520 --> 1:56:09.920 of man on third down, like everybody does. They have 1:56:09.960 --> 1:56:12.640 two really good edge rushers. I wouldn't say, yeah, they 1:56:12.640 --> 1:56:15.080 have one really good one and Josh Heinz Allen. He's 1:56:15.080 --> 1:56:18.080 a really good player. Trayvon Walker is good. I don't 1:56:18.080 --> 1:56:18.680 think he's great. 1:56:18.880 --> 1:56:21.920 Trayvon Walker's helped playing across from Allen, but like he's 1:56:21.960 --> 1:56:22.640 a good player. 1:56:22.720 --> 1:56:23.960 Yeah, he's good. 1:56:24.040 --> 1:56:25.960 He's the best pass rusher on the Patriots right now. 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:29.080 Yeah, yeah, he's and he's a freak athlete. But you know, 1:56:29.160 --> 1:56:31.600 I said this the other day on PU. So, first 1:56:31.640 --> 1:56:35.200 of all, he has five sacks on the year. Three 1:56:35.240 --> 1:56:37.440 of them came in one game against the Colts and 1:56:37.480 --> 1:56:39.400 the other two came into another game. So he has 1:56:39.440 --> 1:56:42.520 four games with no production basically in two games with 1:56:42.680 --> 1:56:45.880 really good production. So he's capable of taking over a game, 1:56:45.920 --> 1:56:48.680 but he's also capable of disappearing, right, So there's a 1:56:48.720 --> 1:56:51.160 double edged sword there. With him. I said this on 1:56:51.240 --> 1:56:56.440 PU and I still feel the same way. Trayvon Walker, 1:56:56.520 --> 1:56:59.400 to me, is the exact example of what you don't 1:56:59.440 --> 1:57:01.880 want to happen to the Patriots, which is you have 1:57:01.920 --> 1:57:04.520 the number one overall pick in the draft. It's not 1:57:04.600 --> 1:57:07.520 a quarterback draft, but you have a quarterback, So nobody 1:57:07.520 --> 1:57:09.600 wants the number one pick, right, and they kind of 1:57:09.640 --> 1:57:12.080 got Now, they probably made the wrong pick. They probably 1:57:12.120 --> 1:57:14.240 should have taken Aiden Hutchinson if they were gonna go 1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:14.920 pass rusher. 1:57:15.080 --> 1:57:15.760 Was that two? 1:57:16.000 --> 1:57:19.240 Yeah, yeah, they took they so Aiden Hutchinson and Sauce 1:57:19.280 --> 1:57:23.120 Gardner in that draft, and they took Trayvon Walker, if 1:57:23.120 --> 1:57:23.440 I have it. 1:57:23.560 --> 1:57:26.680 Right, Also Thibodeau too. Some people thought, yeah, so. 1:57:26.880 --> 1:57:30.000 They they take Trayvon Walker because he was the toolsy, 1:57:30.440 --> 1:57:34.320 high ceiling, freak athlete, all that kind of stuff. He's 1:57:34.480 --> 1:57:37.320 been okay for them, but he hasn't in my opinion, 1:57:37.360 --> 1:57:39.360 lived up to a number first No. 1:57:39.920 --> 1:57:42.839 Uh and so first round pick he's been a first round. 1:57:42.680 --> 1:57:44.560 Yeah, yeah, Like I'm not trying to trash on like, 1:57:44.720 --> 1:57:46.680 but he just hasn't been a number one overall pick. 1:57:47.200 --> 1:57:50.200 And uh, you look at it and in hindsight, like 1:57:50.240 --> 1:57:52.760 if that had been a quarterback draft. They already have 1:57:52.840 --> 1:57:56.280 Trevor Lawrence on their roster in Jacksonville, So they're trading 1:57:57.120 --> 1:57:59.400 for a haul you know they're getting. They're trading out 1:57:59.400 --> 1:58:02.640 of that pick, and somebody is drafting the quarterback number 1:58:02.640 --> 1:58:03.200 one overall. 1:58:03.240 --> 1:58:05.960 I'm surprised nobody's dumb enough to move up for Kenny Pikett. 1:58:06.240 --> 1:58:09.600 Nobody was for once they got it. For once, they 1:58:09.640 --> 1:58:09.880 got it. 1:58:09.920 --> 1:58:11.960 If you're a Patriots fan, like, that's the worst case 1:58:11.960 --> 1:58:14.280 scenario to me is you get stuck with the number 1:58:14.320 --> 1:58:16.520 one overall pick in a non quarterback year when you 1:58:16.560 --> 1:58:19.200 don't need a quarterback. H So we say it all 1:58:19.240 --> 1:58:24.400 the time, but Shadora Sanders Ward right in Miami, cam Ward, like, 1:58:24.560 --> 1:58:25.960 we all should be fans of those j. 1:58:27.880 --> 1:58:28.640 Carson back. 1:58:28.880 --> 1:58:36.680 Yep, let's take these calls. Tim Is in Virginia. What's up? Tim? 1:58:36.800 --> 1:58:37.040 Hey? 1:58:37.080 --> 1:58:38.960 How you guys doing Hey good? 1:58:39.680 --> 1:58:41.800 I love to show you guys are my favorite writers 1:58:41.920 --> 1:58:42.360 as long. 1:58:42.320 --> 1:58:44.400 As thank you much appreciate that. 1:58:45.520 --> 1:58:47.240 I know we don't want to talk about this, but 1:58:47.360 --> 1:58:50.520 there is a likelihood we may be top three pick, 1:58:51.200 --> 1:58:55.600 and for starters, I would love for the offense to 1:58:55.680 --> 1:58:59.920 show some sort of spark like I want to go 1:59:00.600 --> 1:59:03.480 like the third overall pick, but in a way like 1:59:03.640 --> 1:59:07.440 let's say our offense is like we're losing games, but 1:59:07.560 --> 1:59:10.360 not like by a large margin, Like our offense is 1:59:10.400 --> 1:59:13.320 going off, but the defense may be like letting us 1:59:13.320 --> 1:59:17.080 down towards the end to like have wide receivers or 1:59:17.240 --> 1:59:19.760 people that actually want to come to New England. But 1:59:20.400 --> 1:59:22.120 here's a question. I don't want to take too much 1:59:22.120 --> 1:59:25.880 of your time. If we had the number one pick, 1:59:25.960 --> 1:59:27.760 who would you pick? And that's the question. 1:59:27.920 --> 1:59:30.680 Thank you guys, Thanks Tim, that's a good question. I 1:59:30.680 --> 1:59:33.720 feel like we're going to be answering that question a 1:59:33.800 --> 1:59:36.840 lot in a couple of months. Uh, if they have 1:59:37.600 --> 1:59:39.880 the number one pick, or let's just say the pick 1:59:39.920 --> 1:59:41.720 of the of the of the board, like you know, 1:59:41.920 --> 1:59:43.560 there's three to one, whatever. 1:59:44.280 --> 1:59:47.640 They're they're they're they're they're either picking like third or 1:59:47.680 --> 1:59:49.600 they're trading down to take the first non quarters. 1:59:49.760 --> 1:59:54.400 Yeah. So I feel really strongly about the fact that 1:59:55.040 --> 1:59:57.919 trade down is the best option in my opinion. 1:59:58.120 --> 1:59:59.720 If it's at one, yeah, if they end up at 1:59:59.720 --> 2:00:01.640 like four or five, you might need a stay, right. 2:00:01.960 --> 2:00:04.880 If they're at one or two, yeah, I'm trading down. Yep. 2:00:04.960 --> 2:00:08.240 I'm with you, and I'm hoping. I've thought about this 2:00:08.280 --> 2:00:12.080 the other day. I would love it if they could 2:00:12.160 --> 2:00:14.760 do a Bears trade down or a player like Dj 2:00:14.880 --> 2:00:17.840 Moore is also in the package, right, so it's picks 2:00:17.880 --> 2:00:20.680 and a player that had a position. Indeed, maybe it's 2:00:20.720 --> 2:00:23.000 not wide receiver as much as we'd all love that. 2:00:23.000 --> 2:00:25.320 Maybe it's an edge rusher. Maybe it's a tackle, like, 2:00:25.360 --> 2:00:26.760 probably not a tackle, So let's. 2:00:26.560 --> 2:00:29.240 Go edge rusher, edge rusher, corner. 2:00:28.880 --> 2:00:31.840 Wide receiver, one of those spots. I love it. I 2:00:31.840 --> 2:00:34.040 think that was so smart by the Bears to instead 2:00:34.080 --> 2:00:37.160 of taking like another pick, you know, day two pick 2:00:37.240 --> 2:00:40.040 or something like that, give us Dj Moore instead. Great 2:00:40.040 --> 2:00:42.120 way to help your young quarterback. It didn't work with 2:00:42.240 --> 2:00:44.480 Justin Fields, but it's gonna work with Kleb, you know. Like, 2:00:44.560 --> 2:00:46.840 great job by them on that trade. So if their 2:00:46.920 --> 2:00:49.760 patriots are one one, I'm trying to trade that pick 2:00:49.800 --> 2:00:51.960 as fast as I can for a hall. Would you 2:00:52.080 --> 2:00:53.640 trying to get a pick in a player first? 2:00:54.080 --> 2:00:56.600 Would Would you do it if it means and we 2:00:56.640 --> 2:00:57.760 both want them to take a tackle? 2:00:57.920 --> 2:00:58.240 Yeah? 2:00:58.280 --> 2:00:59.960 Would you do it if it means you don't get 2:01:00.040 --> 2:01:03.600 your choice of the tackles uh, and maybe too soon 2:01:03.640 --> 2:01:04.320 for you to answer that. 2:01:04.440 --> 2:01:06.560 Yeah, like I would have to well, you know really 2:01:06.600 --> 2:01:09.240 because if you're an opinion like if if right now, 2:01:09.280 --> 2:01:10.760 I kind of feel and I know there's all this 2:01:10.960 --> 2:01:13.280 discourse about if their tackles are guards. 2:01:12.960 --> 2:01:16.640 Their tackles they're banks of tackles. Campbell what banks at tackle? 2:01:16.720 --> 2:01:19.320 But let's just assume they're both tackles. I think right 2:01:19.360 --> 2:01:21.560 now it's kind of like it's a it's almost like 2:01:21.600 --> 2:01:25.280 a Drake Major and Daniels situation. So I'm not necessarily 2:01:25.640 --> 2:01:27.360 too worried about it if you're because the reason I 2:01:27.400 --> 2:01:29.760 asked this because if you're getting that player right, the 2:01:29.920 --> 2:01:33.000 Bears traded down from one to nine, Yeah, one of 2:01:33.040 --> 2:01:35.240 these tackles is gonna go five, So you're and maybe 2:01:35.240 --> 2:01:38.120 you move back up, maybe you do what was it Miami, 2:01:38.360 --> 2:01:40.160 right that traded down from three to twelve and then 2:01:40.200 --> 2:01:43.080 back up to six. Yeah in the in the uh. 2:01:42.920 --> 2:01:45.880 It sounds right. I think just Houston did that as well. 2:01:45.960 --> 2:01:48.840 Houston all right, but like Arizon, it was Arizona that 2:01:48.880 --> 2:01:49.880 did it. Sorry, I didn't know. 2:01:49.960 --> 2:01:51.960 I'm thinking of the the. 2:01:51.480 --> 2:01:53.600 Arizona did it with Paris Johnson. 2:01:53.200 --> 2:01:56.960 The Trey Lancier. The Niners moved up to three with 2:01:57.560 --> 2:01:59.400 was he the Eagles or the Dolphins? And then those 2:01:59.480 --> 2:02:01.600 Doves made it another Yeah, so they went from three 2:02:01.600 --> 2:02:04.120 to twelve and then from twelve to six. But the 2:02:04.160 --> 2:02:06.360 point being, like for me, I think it has to 2:02:06.400 --> 2:02:09.600 be a tackle. I'm actually leaning more Calvin Banks now 2:02:09.640 --> 2:02:11.520 and it's not even because of the arm lank thing. 2:02:11.880 --> 2:02:14.160 Will Campbell has a little bit of a penalty problem 2:02:14.240 --> 2:02:17.600 right now for this team. It wears me a little 2:02:17.640 --> 2:02:20.320 bit the way they've been committing penalties. A lot of 2:02:20.320 --> 2:02:22.200 ball have to be played. I still reserve the chance 2:02:22.280 --> 2:02:25.480 to change my mind, but I do want at some 2:02:25.520 --> 2:02:30.080 point you got to watch ursery and because maybe that 2:02:30.120 --> 2:02:33.240 puts Tech McMillan and play for you. But Calvin Banks, 2:02:33.400 --> 2:02:35.120 I'll take Will Campbell. I wouldn't be mad. I think 2:02:35.160 --> 2:02:37.839 they're both tackles too. I know it's coming from Brugler 2:02:38.120 --> 2:02:41.080 who said that they're both guards. Like I don't want 2:02:41.120 --> 2:02:42.880 to say the draft guys, because we're the draft guys. 2:02:43.240 --> 2:02:47.560 Like everybody said, there's a certain point where every tackle 2:02:48.560 --> 2:02:51.240 is a guard. And then I've got to go back. 2:02:51.520 --> 2:02:53.040 This is like a homework assignment for me for the 2:02:53.040 --> 2:02:55.920 bye week. Who are the other tackles that were called 2:02:55.960 --> 2:02:58.360 guards initially? Because there's some really good I don't remember 2:02:58.360 --> 2:02:59.320 the names off the top of my head, but I 2:02:59.360 --> 2:03:01.000 know there's some really good tackles on that list. 2:03:01.200 --> 2:03:05.280 It's one of my biggest pet peeves of draft season. Yeah, 2:03:05.520 --> 2:03:08.720 is hearing the discourse of he's a guard, he's a guard, 2:03:08.760 --> 2:03:12.440 he's a guard, he's guard, he's guard. Like in certain instances, 2:03:13.640 --> 2:03:17.200 I can hear what you're saying, Skaransky, I think that 2:03:17.320 --> 2:03:20.680 was fair because his arms are I think are below 2:03:20.720 --> 2:03:23.080 thirty two and a half. They're like close to thirty two. 2:03:23.240 --> 2:03:29.840 I want people last year saying Ah was a guard, Yeah, 2:03:30.240 --> 2:03:32.440 because he wasn't experienced enough. There were people saying Alt 2:03:32.560 --> 2:03:34.040 was a guard because he wasn't physical enough. 2:03:34.120 --> 2:03:36.240 Yeah. No, it's just every single time that there's a 2:03:36.280 --> 2:03:41.880 prospect unless he is literally Joe Thomas reincarnated, we start talking. 2:03:42.400 --> 2:03:46.800 We started talking last year and we started talking about that, 2:03:46.800 --> 2:03:50.480 that he's a guard. Yeah, it drives me up a wall. Uh, 2:03:50.800 --> 2:03:54.360 the offensive line people you talked to, not not the 2:03:54.440 --> 2:03:56.640 draft people. I'm not picking on the draft people, by 2:03:56.680 --> 2:03:59.160 the way, but not like the draft analysts, but like 2:03:59.480 --> 2:04:01.800 you know, the people actually study the film of the 2:04:01.800 --> 2:04:04.960 offensive line think that it's absolutely nuts that we're talking 2:04:05.000 --> 2:04:08.040 about these two guys, especially Calvin Banks, because he checks 2:04:08.080 --> 2:04:11.840 all the measurables as potentially moving inside. Look, it's the 2:04:11.920 --> 2:04:14.480 easiest cop out, like, oh yeah, like he's not gonna 2:04:14.520 --> 2:04:16.280 make it a tackle, so we'll make him a guard. Like, 2:04:16.320 --> 2:04:17.600 it's such an easy cop out. 2:04:17.640 --> 2:04:19.440 And for the people, well, and also like for the 2:04:19.480 --> 2:04:21.720 people who want the Patriots to draft a wide receiver, 2:04:21.760 --> 2:04:24.440 it's the way to justify it. Yeah, you might just 2:04:24.520 --> 2:04:27.560 have to eat your vegetables. By the way, for Banks, 2:04:27.560 --> 2:04:31.120 you talk about the film people, the college football film people, 2:04:31.200 --> 2:04:36.440 so they have no stake in what position Calvin Banks 2:04:36.480 --> 2:04:38.040 is going to end up playing. They watch film of 2:04:38.080 --> 2:04:40.880 the college teams. They go off of that. A lot 2:04:40.920 --> 2:04:45.160 of them have said these two tackles because Texas right 2:04:45.240 --> 2:04:48.400 tackles also top fifty pick Cameron Williams. They said this 2:04:48.480 --> 2:04:51.080 might be the greatest offensive line, greatest tackle combination of 2:04:51.120 --> 2:04:53.840 Texas history, which is saying something, Yeah, you're not gonna 2:04:53.840 --> 2:04:56.000 say that about a guy who's playing guard. I know 2:04:56.040 --> 2:04:56.840 we got one call off. 2:04:56.840 --> 2:04:59.280 Yeah, because that I got it on the busy, all right, 2:05:00.320 --> 2:05:01.480 you're wrapping it up for us. 2:05:01.520 --> 2:05:05.320 What's up, Jose Hi, I have a question of the 2:05:05.400 --> 2:05:10.360 current roster, if and when Cole Strange and Kittie Wallace 2:05:10.440 --> 2:05:14.480 come back, and I'm throwing in Leyden robertson what does 2:05:14.720 --> 2:05:18.760 the what would be your best offensive line if you 2:05:18.840 --> 2:05:22.040 had all those guys available? And one more thing, this 2:05:22.160 --> 2:05:24.240 is this is talking about what you were talking about 2:05:24.240 --> 2:05:28.240 in the draft. If the Patriots don't trade down and 2:05:28.280 --> 2:05:30.680 then trade back up into the first round to get 2:05:30.680 --> 2:05:35.080 a combination of either two tackles or a tackle and 2:05:35.120 --> 2:05:38.200 a wide receiver, I will lose my mind. That's it. 2:05:38.400 --> 2:05:38.800 Thank you. 2:05:38.920 --> 2:05:41.120 Thanks for the call, Jose to the first one on 2:05:41.200 --> 2:05:44.240 Cole Strange. I think there's a real chance at center. Yeah, 2:05:44.280 --> 2:05:46.480 I think there's a really really good chance at center. 2:05:46.560 --> 2:05:48.520 We'll see what Ben Brown does here the next few weeks. 2:05:48.600 --> 2:05:52.880 Yeah. They I hate to say that they have a 2:05:52.920 --> 2:05:55.320 logjam at guard because the offensive line just hasn't been 2:05:55.360 --> 2:05:57.080 good enough like that. They kind of do that if 2:05:57.160 --> 2:06:00.320 that feels like a compliment, you know, they kind of 2:06:00.320 --> 2:06:02.200 have a log jam at guard. I mean like guys 2:06:02.240 --> 2:06:04.720 like Citysow and Leidon Robinson haven't been playing, and those 2:06:04.720 --> 2:06:07.800 two guys I think have NFL futures as starters in 2:06:07.840 --> 2:06:11.600 the league on the interior. So that's tough for Cole Strange. 2:06:12.080 --> 2:06:15.200 They really, this coaching staff really really likes Michael Jordan 2:06:15.440 --> 2:06:18.400 because he's really consistent. He's not a game changing guard 2:06:18.480 --> 2:06:20.400 by any stretch of the imagination, but he doesn't have 2:06:20.440 --> 2:06:23.040 any glaring errors to his game either, and he's just 2:06:23.160 --> 2:06:25.480 really steady, and that's something that they need right now. 2:06:25.840 --> 2:06:28.720 So it's hard, like, it's hard to find a path 2:06:28.960 --> 2:06:32.760 especially if on when he is really trying to play inside, 2:06:32.880 --> 2:06:35.440 it's hard to find a path for Cole Strange. Isn't center, 2:06:35.760 --> 2:06:38.840 Like they're they're probably not gonna take Michael Jordan off 2:06:38.840 --> 2:06:42.400 the field right now unless he gets hurt. Right guard. 2:06:42.520 --> 2:06:45.000 Cole Strange has never really played right guard. It's not 2:06:45.160 --> 2:06:47.880 like he's probably played more center frankly than he's played 2:06:47.960 --> 2:06:51.200 right guard. So I look at Cole Strange as the center. 2:06:52.360 --> 2:06:53.840 I think we feel the same way on that one. 2:06:54.280 --> 2:06:58.560 And then the second question about the draft, I hear 2:06:58.640 --> 2:07:02.520 everybody I would say that free agency and not let's 2:07:02.520 --> 2:07:04.920 get through March. Yeah, and see, like if they signed 2:07:04.960 --> 2:07:07.320 T Higgins or they trade for your boy DK met. 2:07:08.280 --> 2:07:11.040 They should trade that second pick. But like, if you 2:07:11.120 --> 2:07:14.200 trade the second round pick for DK Metcalf, you're probably 2:07:14.200 --> 2:07:15.440 not gonna be able to trade back up in the 2:07:15.440 --> 2:07:17.440 first round. But I'm kind of okay with that. 2:07:17.600 --> 2:07:19.360 Yeah, and this is a bigger take and we don't 2:07:19.400 --> 2:07:21.640 have time for it, but just really quickly, like, don't 2:07:21.760 --> 2:07:23.960 totally sleep on the defensive side of the ball. I 2:07:24.000 --> 2:07:26.000 know it's not sexy, I know it's not shiny. I 2:07:26.000 --> 2:07:29.280 know it's not what we all want. But they're twenty 2:07:29.400 --> 2:07:31.480 ninth in the league in DVOA on defense right now, 2:07:31.560 --> 2:07:33.440 and they'll get bar More and Bentley back and that 2:07:33.480 --> 2:07:35.800 will help, but like, they are not a good defense, 2:07:35.840 --> 2:07:36.600 So don't sleep on that. 2:07:36.720 --> 2:07:38.680 We do this every year, we do a big three needs, 2:07:38.760 --> 2:07:41.440 right like, and it's just worked out that there's kind 2:07:41.440 --> 2:07:43.480 of been three needs that are clearly a tier above 2:07:43.520 --> 2:07:43.920 all else. 2:07:44.000 --> 2:07:44.200 Yep. 2:07:44.360 --> 2:07:48.360 Last year quarterback, receiver, tackle, this year tackle receiver. I 2:07:48.360 --> 2:07:51.640 would say edge. I would say edge is a bigger 2:07:51.720 --> 2:07:54.080 need than anything on offense outside of tackle or receiver. 2:07:54.360 --> 2:07:57.320 Yeah. I don't necessarily disagree with that at all. And look, 2:07:57.360 --> 2:07:58.800 if you want to build it from the back end 2:07:58.800 --> 2:08:02.240 and you draft corner, the opposite againzales and that you're 2:08:02.240 --> 2:08:04.360 gonna build a no fly zone instead, Like you can 2:08:04.360 --> 2:08:04.720 go that way. 2:08:04.760 --> 2:08:07.520 We're good at developing corners though, Like that's again. We'll 2:08:07.560 --> 2:08:08.400 get in there in the spring. 2:08:08.640 --> 2:08:11.840 Okay, we've gotta wrap it up here. But before we do, 2:08:11.960 --> 2:08:14.480 football season is here and Sullivan Tire and Auto Service 2:08:14.600 --> 2:08:17.040 kicks things off in a big way with our exclusive 2:08:17.080 --> 2:08:21.160 gopats tire sealed now through October thirty first score big 2:08:21.160 --> 2:08:24.120 with incredible savings on Bridgetone Tires. Save one hundred dollars 2:08:24.160 --> 2:08:28.200 instantly with the purchase of four eligible Bridgetones tires. 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