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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: And Lazarre.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined us always buy our Bara.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. Jam a square

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Speaker 3: hole into a round peg. Because your offense is an

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Speaker 3: under center offense, you.

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Speaker 1: Can't jam a hole into a peg. So it's nice pegging.

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Speaker 3: A hole peg into a hole. Yeah, he said, peg,

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Speaker 3: square peg, round hole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah there are you just like the worst at preschool?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, come on, just making sure you took literally

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Speaker 1: the whole toye hitting the one piece.

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Speaker 3: I like how you ended my rant with that.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna cover triangles today now that we

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Speaker 1: were squares and circles down.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you know it was really hard for me. Was

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Speaker 3: was coloring between the lines. I could not do that.

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Speaker 1: You know what I was bad with two?

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Speaker 3: I was like, this is not all twenty two? Like

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Speaker 3: where's the football?

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Speaker 1: You know what I was bad with two? Like art class?

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Speaker 1: The glue bottle. Yeah, I would just make it like

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Speaker 1: I had to use a glues stick. They wouldn't let

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Speaker 3: See we were we were just you know, we were

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Speaker 3: ahead of our time. Like now being like people like

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Speaker 3: us is like they know what to do with kids

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Speaker 3: like us now. Back then they did it and they

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Speaker 3: were just like, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what that means.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I want you to qualify what that means.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying that, you know, somebody like me, I

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Speaker 3: was not good at school. No, I was terrible at school,

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Speaker 3: but I was good at what I liked with like football,

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Speaker 3: you know, but I'm not good at like the traditional

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Speaker 3: school stuff. And I feel like now they realize, like

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Speaker 3: some kids just that they're not BookSmart.

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Speaker 1: Well you know how there's people that, like remember the

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Speaker 1: kids in school that would be like, no, I know it,

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Speaker 1: I'm just a bad test taker. And then people would

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Speaker 1: be like, oh so you're no no, no, But like

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Speaker 1: I remember like hearing that and somebody be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: so you're bad of the thing that measures how much

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Speaker 1: you know, so you're not It's like, yeah, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: a bad testinger because I don't know the stuff. Yeah

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Speaker 1: that's why. But I just also didn't try you put

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Speaker 1: like you know, we used to have was like you'd

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Speaker 1: I never could finish it. This isn't like elementary school.

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Speaker 1: Never could finish it. Put the fifty three players on

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Speaker 1: the Patriots roster give me a minute. I I could

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Speaker 1: have gotten all those. I'd be done with time.

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Speaker 3: To spare it exactly. That's that's exactly my point. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying now, I'm saying, like back obviously I

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, Nice to see everyone. That was an interesting open.

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Speaker 3: I like I like that though, nice cold open for

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Speaker 3: us today. But Evan Lazar Alexar Patriots catch twenty two

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Speaker 3: with you for the next couple of hours here and

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Speaker 3: we're taking calls. We'll get the emails set up here

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Speaker 3: eight five to five Pats five hundred. We got a

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Speaker 3: lot to talk about, though, and I want to start

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Speaker 3: by looking back as we normally do, and looking specifically

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Speaker 3: at Drake May, of course at Shocker and the place.

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Speaker 3: I want to start with Drake May because on Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: we had our typical game recap unfiltered on Tuesday, and

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Speaker 3: May's touchdown pass to Kashan Boody before halftime, Like that

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Speaker 3: And I watched the film on Monday, and that was exciting.

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Speaker 3: this game, and highlighting just the positives because we're starving

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Speaker 3: for positives with this team, especially on the offensive side

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Speaker 3: it comes to quarterbacks. I'm gonna try my best articulate

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Speaker 3: this better, and I did in my original point about preschool.

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Speaker 3: But I would rather the quarterback where he checks the

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Speaker 3: work with that young quarterback. Then I'll give you two examples.

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Speaker 3: it's throwing mechanics. It's not that he looks totally out

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Speaker 3: it's not fixed yet. Now that doesn't mean it won't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think to your last point, something

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Speaker 1: Like there's some guys at the wide receiver position that maybe,

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Speaker 1: But again, as a role thumb for me especially, you know,

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Speaker 3: You use a word that I like, disqualifying. I still

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Speaker 3: So I want to I want to go we went,

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Speaker 3: I don't remember if Pop broke away from him on

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Speaker 3: Right? Does it like not like this like discombobulated and

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Speaker 3: And that Pop Douglas touchdown was the receiver beating his

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Speaker 3: was messy, I would have been like, all right, well

435
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 3: that how replicable is that going to be? The touchdown

436
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 3: of Booty the throw to Pop Douglas on the other touchdown,

437
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 3: even the touchdown passed to Hunter Henry, which I know

438
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 3: is to an open receiver like on on sort of

439
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 3: a bus. But like those are NFL plays Like that

440
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: looked like NFL offense and that was super encouraging. There

441
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 3: was a couple of other plays I wanted to bring

442
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: up on the plus side, and then we'll get to

443
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: some of the minuses. We can talk about the you know,

444
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: I just mentioned it, so we'll just talk about it. Yeah,

445
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 3: the Henry offscript plays. We all were waiting for that one, right,

446
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: one sort of scramble drill improv type of play. What

447
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 3: And I posted it on on my my x account.

448
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 3: I posted on my Twitter What I love so much

449
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,959
Speaker 3: about the offscript play to Henry is that he tries

450
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: to play in structure and on time and his reads

451
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: are are covered right, so he actually doesn't force the

452
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 3: ball into coverage. He almost gets covered two trapped on

453
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 3: one side of the field, Like a lot of young

454
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 3: quarterbacks make that throw thinking that it's like, you know,

455
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: this the corner is is going up the field, you know,

456
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: whether it's like you know, cover three or quarters or

457
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 3: something like that, and they have the flat he gets

458
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 3: trapped on the on that side of the field, and

459
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 3: he doesn't throw into the trap. He pulls it down

460
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 3: and says, oh wait, that's not open, and then he

461
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: goes ahead and makes a play. So it's not again,

462
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 3: it's not like instantaneous. I don't know what I'm looking at.

463
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna start running around. That was like a

464
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: true I'm gonna go through my progression. I gonna stay

465
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: in the pocket. Okay, there's nothing there. Now, let's go

466
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 3: make a play. And that was really encouraging to me

467
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 3: on that one. I would say that late in the game,

468
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 3: and I know that this is kind of in garbage

469
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: time and whatever, but he had two really good throws

470
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: late in the game. One of them was Takeishan Bouti

471
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 3: on a corner route where he kind of pump fakes

472
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 3: the corner off and throws the corner out. That type

473
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: of stuff, you know I mentioned earlier, the pop play

474
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: before the half, the progression, the full field progression, pump

475
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: faking or like manipulating zone coverages and like moving defenders

476
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 3: with either pumps or your eyes or your kid whatever

477
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 3: your body language, like whatever it is. That's advanced stuff

478
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 3: like that's not like rookies don't just roll out of

479
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: bed and do that kind of stuff already. So his

480
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: feel for Okay, I have cover two, I have the flat,

481
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 3: and I have the corner. If I pump to the

482
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 3: flat and I get the corner to jump the flat,

483
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna rip the corner behind his head like that is.

484
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: That's a real advanced NFL trow that I'm gonna you know,

485
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna to victory lap a little bit. There was

486
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: a lot of people that told me that he wasn't

487
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: capable yet of doing those types of things.

488
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, how do we know he was. He would

489
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: have gone out there week one and done that. I'm

490
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: not saying, hell I do that, you know me?

491
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: I would. I think he was doing that in North Carolina.

492
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that the sit Drake May crowd, the

493
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: especially from like the national media, the sit Drake May

494
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: crowd was telling me that this is a raw, just

495
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: physical marvel, but he doesn't know how to play quarterback.

496
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be clear, let me just clear it. There

497
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: were because I've been getting this this week, there were

498
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: two different sit Drake May crowds. Yes, there was sit

499
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: Drake May. Because he's a project. Yeah, and there was

500
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: sit Drake May because the rest of the team isn't ready.

501
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: So I'm not to specify which crowd you're talking to him.

502
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the the sit Drake May because he's

503
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: a project. Okay, I'll just name names, like I'm talking

504
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: about the Dan Orlovsky's that were saying that this guy

505
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: needs to sit for three years because he doesn't know

506
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: how to play quarterback.

507
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: He's a great thrower, he's athlete, but he doesn't.

508
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: Know what And I'm with you on this. Those people

509
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: were you know, I was in the camp of, well,

510
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: the offensive line is a message, right, so you can't

511
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: put him out there yet those people find yeah, he

512
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: was ready though he was ready.

513
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. The people that thought that he wasn't going to

514
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: be able to read coverages, that he wasn't going to

515
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,239
Speaker 3: be able to go through progressions, that he wasn't going

516
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: to be consistently accurate enough to put up numbers like

517
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: that type of stuff, they were all proven wrong in

518
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: one game. And it's one game, and maybe it all

519
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: snowballs on them, but there was too much evidence on

520
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: the film of him doing stuff like the throw to

521
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: Booty that I just I don't think that, uh, And

522
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: I mean the second throw, the corner route throw, the progressions,

523
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, getting all the way to his check downs

524
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: on a couple third downs, to Antonio Gibson getting to

525
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 3: Pop on that one play before halftime. Like there was

526
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: too much of that for me to sit here and

527
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: say that those people, like those people are crazy like that.

528
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 3: You thought you had to sit for two years like

529
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 3: he's already doing this kind of stuff and start number one, uh,

530
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: off the soapbox. Now the last one, I would say,

531
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: late in the game, fourth down and he throws it

532
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: out to Pop Douglas, that old friend Miles Bryant tried

533
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: to jump because he's throwing it from the far hash

534
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: all the way across the field on fourth down. That's

535
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: a throw again, like kind of like the other one

536
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: to Pop. A lot of quarterbacks get picked six there,

537
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 3: Like a lot of quarterbacks can't get the ball out

538
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 3: out there like that. It almost looked like it took

539
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: Bryant by surprise, like, oh God, like this ball, this

540
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: ball's by me right. That was a really impressive throw

541
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: late in this game as well. He got much better

542
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: as the game war went on. But in general, I

543
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: would just say, some of the nuanced quarterback stuff that

544
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: he was doing already speaks to that crowd. This guy

545
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 3: needs to sit, this guy needs to watch. It's gonna

546
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 3: take a year or two for him to be ready.

547
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: I think we all know now that all that stuff

548
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: was crazy. That's the plus side. Is there anything else

549
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: on the plus side that you wanted to mention before

550
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: we move over to the minus?

551
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: Just his his rushing ability. I mean, it wasn't just

552
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: picking up the yards that were given to him. I

553
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: thought he created some yards on his own.

554
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fifteen yard scramble was really nice, Like there's

555
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: nobody open and he and he just made a play happen,

556
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 3: and then he picked one up on fourth down lay

557
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: in the game.

558
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: I'd like to see. And I guess this is more

559
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: of an Alyx fan Pelt thing than a Drake may thing.

560
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: Like I get why you maybe didn't have any design

561
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: runs for him in that game specifically. Yeah, but moving forward,

562
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: whether it's Reid options or just outright like QB power,

563
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: QB zone whatever, especially on like goal line short yardage

564
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: like when yeah, which which they didn't have a ton of.

565
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, like let's let's get the kid's legs involvedmore. Now,

566
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: that's I think that that should be on the table.

567
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I was watching. It was that Monday Night football,

568
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: Bill's Jets, right Monday Night football. Yeah, and the last

569
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: the last official play of the game before the kneel downs,

570
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: and then it was third down and gotta have it

571
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 3: for Buffalo to avoid punting the ball back to the Jets,

572
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 3: and they run like a zone read with Josh Allen.

573
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: It wasn't like it it just in that situation. I'm

574
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: not No one wants him to be Lamar Jackson and

575
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 3: start running the ball ten to fifteen times a game. No,

576
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: just like a couple in right, those high leverage situations.

577
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: They allowed Josh Allen to just go pick up the

578
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: first down with his legs, and that's definitely on the table.

579
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 3: Now for Drake May, that's a good point to bring up.

580
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the minuses. So I had

581
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 3: nine minus plays in this game for Drake May. And

582
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: we can do this every week if people like it.

583
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: You know, this is how I do it. I usually

584
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: don't peel back the curtain this much. But he's a

585
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback and we're all excited. So I decided to

586
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: write it up and share it this week. So I

587
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: had nine minus plays for him. The encouraging part was

588
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: that only three of those nine were mental errors in

589
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: my mind. Yeah, six of them were physical, And by

590
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: physical I mean Aaron throws, So he had he had

591
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: six sprays.

592
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: So you're talking about like when you say mentally, you

593
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: basically mean like he made the wrong read to make

594
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: the wrong decision.

595
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, we didn't make the right reads,

596
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: didn't get the ball out on time, you know that

597
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. And we'll get to those. So my

598
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: six physical errors, I can just rapid fire through them here.

599
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: The first interception is obviously a physical error, you know,

600
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: sales the ball over pop Douglas's head. I had one

601
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: play early on in this game where I felt like

602
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: he caused his own pressure, got a little bit antsy

603
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: in the pocket and ran into pressure. On third down

604
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: early on in this game, Austin Hooper is open over

605
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: the middle of the field and he missed the throw. Now,

606
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: he might have thought that Hooper was gonna sit. There

607
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: could have been more of like a miscommunication there than

608
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: like a physical error. But I put it down as

609
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: physical because I'm not inside his head. So I don't

610
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: know what he was thinking on the play. You mentioned

611
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: this one earlier. He had a third down throw to

612
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas on a crossing grout that he just flat

613
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: out missed that was down backed up inside there on

614
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: twenty five and he just flat out misses. You mentioned

615
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: this one as well. He missed behind Pop Douglas on

616
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: a throw on a crossing route that should have been

617
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: a big play. Left yards on the field on that one.

618
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: And then my last one was wide left on a

619
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: hitch to Jamichael Hasty in the flat, just airmailed it,

620
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: just missed the throw. So those are my six physical errors.

621
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: My three mental were the illegal man downfield penalty early

622
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: on in this game on a screen that to me

623
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: is on the quarterback liked you either had to throw

624
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: it or you have to throw it away. But he

625
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: held the ball and that's what caused the penalty. So

626
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 3: I put that on him. I put at least a

627
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: little bit of the strip sack on him. I felt

628
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: like he had open receivers, especially keish On Booty in

629
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: the left sidelight on a hitch that he could have

630
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: gotten the ball kind of double pumped on that one

631
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: and held the ball a little bit too long, and

632
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: then there was one to late in the game. Another

633
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: the last sack where I felt like he had a

634
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: check down to Antonio Gibson and got caught with his

635
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: eyes of the field. So those are my three physical, mental,

636
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: excuse me errors in this game. Couple of the sacks.

637
00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: Obviously the turnovers that sort of thing, But I I

638
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: think the biggest thing when I look at these errors

639
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: and just just kind of spin it forward, so a

640
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: lot of those are spray throws, right, like a lot

641
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: of those are missthrows. And as we move forward here

642
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 3: with this offense with Drake May, I look at what

643
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: he did last week against Houston against man coverage. Specifically,

644
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: he had six completions for one hundred and ten yards

645
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: and two touchdowns against man coverage. He also had a

646
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: couple scrambles against man coverage that were positive plays for

647
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: the Patriots. I don't think moving forward that teams are

648
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: going to be able to sit in man coverage anymore

649
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: against the Pats. I think Drake May, if you give

650
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: him man to man and you show him the matchups

651
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: that he has, he's gonna shred you. He's gonna absolutely

652
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: shred you. So that's a positive, yeah, but the negative

653
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: side or not even the negative, but just like this

654
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: is the other big thing for me with him moving forward.

655
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: We saw this with mac Mack was great for the

656
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: first what ten games of his rookie then all of

657
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: a sudden, defenses started to adjust, They started to adjust

658
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: to his playing style, and he never matt could never

659
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: counter from the adjustment. So the counter to Drake May's

660
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: playing style. If you sit in man to man against

661
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: the Patriots, they had a forty yard touchdown, a thirty

662
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: five yard touchdown, a seventeen yard completion, a fifteen yard run.

663
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: Like we're talking about explosive place given up against man

664
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: to man. That's what it's gonna look like every single

665
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: week if you try to man up against the Pats. Now,

666
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: my guess is is that teams are gonna start to

667
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: back off, they're gonna play more zone coverage, and they're

668
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: gonna force him to sit in the pocket and pick

669
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: them apart at the first two levels. So when we

670
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: talk about these misthrows or the spray is like, that's

671
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: where that I think can be exacerbated is if teams

672
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: are gonna say, you're gonna have to hit these tight

673
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: zone windows at the first two levels of the defense,

674
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to be consistently accurate throwing the

675
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: ball into coverage. That's where we don't think that you're

676
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: gonna be great. That's gonna be the test, like can

677
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: he adjust to that. I'm not necessarily as concerned about

678
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: the mental errors because I think that those were rookie

679
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: mistakes a lot of the time. But assuming that he

680
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: doesn't get to all the sort of Aaron throws fixed quickly,

681
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: which I don't think he will because it was there

682
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: at North Carolina and it was there already. Now that

683
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: teams are gonna start to do that, they're gonna see

684
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: can you be consistently accurate from the pocket? Is gonna

685
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: now be the game plan on Drake May I think.

686
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: For me the big thing just in terms of the negatives.

687
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: Remember in camp, like the first week, so a lot

688
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: of those misses, a lot of those sprays, they were long,

689
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: they were high, like they were overthrown. Yeah, he didn't

690
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: underthrow any passes. They were all overthrown. If you go

691
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: back to the early days of training camp, it was

692
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: the same thing when he came out and struggled that

693
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: first week everything was overthrown. And I remember saying at

694
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: the time, like the kids clearly just jacked up. You know,

695
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: first NFL training camp. He's got the adrenaline going, he's

696
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: probably got some society going, and you know, he's pushing it.

697
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: And I think you saw it. He kind of said

698
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: that that's what happened to him in this game, that

699
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: like he needed to settle down because most of those

700
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: misses were early or the ones that happened later. We're

701
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: in big spots, right, third downs, things like that. He's

702
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: just got to learn to like settle down and you

703
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: know control you know, controls, heart rate, control, the adrenaline,

704
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: things like that, because do some breathing exercise, breathing excite.

705
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna go there, but yeah, but like that,

706
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: that to me is like can he just And I

707
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: know that sounds dumb, but it's fair.

708
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 3: The first one, the interception, the first pack with Pop Douglas,

709
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: to me was a direct correlation of he's amped up.

710
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: Right and it's early on and I know it sounds dumb,

711
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: and I know it sounds simple, just like calm down,

712
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: but like this is what the great quarterbacks can do.

713
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: This is essentially what I guess it's not really qualifying it,

714
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: but it's sort of qualifying with clutches, right. Don't let

715
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: the moment consume you, don't let the moment be too

716
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: big for you. Level headed, It's just like every other

717
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: snap you've taken, high school, call, practice, whatever, and that's

718
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: gonna be the next steffort. And I'm not saying you

719
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: shouldn't play with passion, like he has a ton of

720
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: passion and that helps him and he should continue playing

721
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: with it, but it's it's controlled passion. Like this is

722
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: where I don't want to put Tom Brady up as

723
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: a standard for the kid because it's impossible to reach

724
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: or we allowed to talk about other teams owners on

725
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: the show. I just breaking any rules here like Brady.

726
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: And some people pointed this is why Brady wasn't good

727
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: at the beginning of Super Bowls, because he was maybe

728
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: too jacked up because that gay like those games are

729
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: so special to him. But for the most part, Tom

730
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: Brady was cool, calm, collected first minute of the season opener,

731
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: two minutes to go in the Super Bowl, in the

732
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: tie game, and it was that same level of intensity throughout.

733
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: And that's what Drake may again just Drake May get

734
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: to the Tom Brady level of it, Probably not, because

735
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody has ever gotten to that Tom

736
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: Brady level of just balance. I mean it's one of

737
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: his truly for a guy that has a lot of

738
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: elite traits, that is an elite of an elite trade

739
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: for him. But it's something May is going to have

740
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: to chase where he just kind of has this level

741
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: headedness as the game goes on in this find the

742
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: level of intensity that he can play at where he's

743
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: locked in, he's engaged, he's playing with passion, but it's

744
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: not hurting him and he's gonna have to kind of

745
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: figure that out over the course of this year.

746
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, we talked to him on Wednesday,

747
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: and some of the conversations, you know, I had tried

748
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: to point him in the direction of like heay that

749
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: throat of Booty was pretty darn good, right, and his

750
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: lament was about the bad place, and I like, I

751
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: kind of love that.

752
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: Well though those are two different things. Yeah, Like you

753
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: can be your own harshest critic. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't

754
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: relate those two, Like I'm.

755
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: Not relating to what you were saying. I'm just saying,

756
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: like you're talking about the mental side of it and

757
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: like kind of getting yourself more you know, even killed

758
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to call it. Uh what I

759
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: I really there's been a lot of praise for his

760
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: play in this game on Sunday, and people you know

761
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: at your station who are on my side, so I

762
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: shouldn't you know, pick fights. But people on your station

763
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: are saying, you know, everybody's just glossing over a lot

764
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: of the negatives. Yeah, and just Drake May is not

765
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: glossing over the negatives like Drake May is. Like we

766
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: lost by twenty points. I turned the ball over three times,

767
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: but even if the last you know, one off the

768
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: tip wasn't necessarily my fall like that, that's what they're

769
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 3: talking about, you know. He said at the podium on

770
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: Wednesday that he thought he saw it well, he just

771
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: missed some throws, and I thought that that was really accurate,

772
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: Like that was exactly what was on the film, Like

773
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: he was seeing it. He was his eyes were all

774
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: in the right places at all times, he was going

775
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: the right places with the football. He just flat out

776
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: missed some throws. And I'm, like I said earlier at

777
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: the top of the show. I'm just so willing to

778
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: work with that guy, right, the guy that just you know,

779
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: we got to hone him in, We got to get

780
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: him more less amped up. I asked him, you know why,

781
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: he said, I missed some throws. Asked him why, why

782
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: do you feel like that was and he said he

783
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: felt like he was jacked up, like he was he

784
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: was hyped up. Especially he pointed to the Douglas interception

785
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: at the top of the first you know, first one

786
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the game and just said that

787
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: he was amped up. And you know, that's hopefully something

788
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: that first career start, you're just kind of have jitters, right,

789
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: and maybe that that dies down a little bit moving forward.

790
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: I'm also kind of lamenting, like he felt like he

791
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: took too many sacks in this game and he should

792
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 3: have gotten the ball out more than he did. Uh So,

793
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: I like all the messaging and all the things that

794
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: he's that he said, no limp, right, we can we

795
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: can say that at practice, no brace, no limp on

796
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: the knees, So that that's good news as well. Is

797
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: there anything else on Drake?

798
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: May?

799
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: I feel like we we unpacked it pretty good, but

800
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: I I I don't think I have anything else until

801
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: we get to the Jaguars, which I will talk about

802
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: here in a few minutes.

803
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: With Drake. Uh, no delay game penalties.

804
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: No delay games like the operation had smooth. He had

805
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: one under center snap that was a little bit wonky,

806
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: you know for a first.

807
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: We'll get to Ben Brown, but like, yeah, no, for

808
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: the circumstances that that we're there, I have no problem

809
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: with the Snake. I just remember there were there were

810
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: concerns about him, like you know, the play calls are

811
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: gonna be too long. He never called plays in a

812
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: huddle with the headset and things like that. Uh, nothing

813
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: in that. I didn't see that like kind of in

814
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: my face right during this game.

815
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: Yep. Absolutely, all right, let's do three up, three down,

816
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: and then we'll take the phones and we'll we'll get

817
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: into the Jaguars a little bit as well. So let's

818
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: start with the ups, start with the positives as we

819
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: normally do. Who is your number one up in this game?

820
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: My number one? Well, we talked about this before, like

821
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna cover? Are we doing like Drake may Aside?

822
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: Since we just did Drake may Aside? Yeah, wait, did

823
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: my phone erase it?

824
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: I did this earlier. Oh my god, I'm do it again.

825
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: Don't lie to me. You forgot or did that.

826
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: No, Evan I stood next to in the locker room earlier.

827
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: We were doing it. My phone didn't save it, all right, whatever,

828
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: I just oh wait, oh, I have two up down

829
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: notes in my phone. That's why that's weird. I don't

830
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: know I have that all right.

831
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

832
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: Up number one, I kind of already. Uh you know,

833
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make that up number two, Up number one.

834
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: Ben Brown nice for everything Drake May. Usually I'm the

835
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: guy for everything Drake May did in that game on Sunday. Yeah,

836
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: pound for pound, Ben Brown was the most impressive player

837
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: on the field for the Patriots. Yeah, I'm okay saying that,

838
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: like not to say Drake May was bad. Ben Brown

839
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: was the most impressive player to show up on two

840
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: days notice. Center a line that is already patchwork, with

841
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: a guy making his first career start behind you, in

842
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: a system that is heavily predicated on the center making

843
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: sure things go right pre snap against one of the

844
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: best pass rushing teams in the league, and not not

845
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: a guy that's like a veteran either. He played I

846
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: think eight NFL snaps. Yeah, before Sunday, all at guard.

847
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: That's unfreaking believable.

848
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: Man, Yes, and I think get tested much like and

849
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: I don't. The bar was on the floor, So in

850
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: full disclosure, because I'm with you, full disclosure. Pregame, I

851
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: was freaking out were I was freaking out and I

852
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: was freaking out to you and I was like, what

853
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: the heck are they doing? This is his first career start. Like,

854
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: even if nick Levert's like not very good at football,

855
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: at least he's been here since training camp and he's

856
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: been you know, he's been in this offense and he's

857
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: been at these practices. And he actually worked a lot

858
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 3: with Drake May over the summer because he was the

859
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: backup center, so he took a lot of snaps with

860
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: Drake May and I was like, this is this is

861
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: not good, Like this is not a good decision. And

862
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: then he get into the game, and so much kudos

863
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: go to Ben Brown, So much kudos to go to

864
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: I know they get a lot of flak, but Scott

865
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: Peters and Kugler and all those guys to get him

866
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: ready to play in this game, huge props because all

867
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: of us were like, holy crap, what are they doing?

868
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: And may a cople on that like they he was better,

869
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: he was better than I should say.

870
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: Let me add Peters in Coogler to the list as

871
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: well of ops with this and I I know there

872
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: was kind of some narrative out there this week about well,

873
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, the line wasn't great at the beginning, but

874
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: they keep finding guys. Does the staff deserve more credit

875
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: than they're getting. I don't know about the front office,

876
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: because the front office still put them in this spot.

877
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: Peters Coogler, who's third offensive line coach and blacking the

878
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: guy from Brown. Yeah, anyway, we should know the names.

879
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: I should know that name. I want to make sure

880
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: I get it because he deserves a credit. The fact

881
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: that I'm actually incredibly high on Scott Peters just for

882
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: the season as a whole. From what we've seen.

883
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: There's definitely moments happening, maybe even a little bit more

884
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks that I've seen.

885
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: Michael McCarthy, that's so Scott Peters, Robert Ruey, Michael McCarthy.

886
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: It's been six combinations in six weeks. Is going to

887
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: be seven to seven this week in Jacksonville? Do you

888
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: know how many linemen there are healthy on the active

889
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: roster that were with the team in camp? Five? Yeah,

890
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: four guards and Veeri four guards and no I think

891
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: it's all No, it's just four. It's not a tackle. Oh,

892
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm counting low or not. I

893
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: gonna go back and double check that. But the point

894
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: being like they had seventeen linemen in the start of camp.

895
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: The guys who are still here, Jordan low when who Robinson?

896
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 6: So?

897
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

898
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: Jordan low On when Robinson so? So? For their health?

899
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: Counting right, four that are healthy and all guards and

900
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: the fact that and it hasn't been pretty, but how

901
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: many times we come away from these games saying how

902
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: much better? And I thought it would even if it

903
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: wasn't good.

904
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

905
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: Ton of credit to the offensive line coaching staff to

906
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: the point where now I'm like, well, what's gonna happen

907
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: When they get like five NFL caliber players across the

908
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: board and it's that same group week after week after week,

909
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: they may be able to really put something together. Right.

910
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: So Ben Brown deserves a ton of credit and the

911
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: offensive line coaching staff deserves a ton of credit because

912
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: what happened. Here's the clearest way you can put it.

913
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: What happens Sunday should not have happened. Then Brown should

914
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: not have had that kind of performance. The fact that

915
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have had to play, He should have had

916
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: to play. But the fact that he did that kind

917
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: of performance is so far above and beyond expectations. He

918
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff deserve so much credit.

919
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: Okay, So I agree with a lot of what you said. Now,

920
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: run blocking wise, they were.

921
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Bad, Well, they were bad. We'll get to the running

922
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: game a little bit. We didn't disagree with me, but.

923
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: They did not take They did not block well in

924
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: this game. So that's a piece of it. The other

925
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: piece and kind of victory lap a little bit again.

926
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: So I had them with a thirty three percent pressure

927
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: rate allowed. It's the lowest of any game this season.

928
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: I do not think it's a coincidence that the quarterback

929
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: change and now all of a sudden they have a

930
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: low pressure rate with a bunch of backups with Vederian

931
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: low playing ten snaps and then going out of the

932
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: game with a really third string, fourth maybe even four

933
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: string of Brian Hudson's factoring into this center. Like, I

934
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: don't think it's a coincidence that Drake may is playing

935
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden the pressure rate looks a

936
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: little bit better. A lot of that is tied to

937
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: the quarterback, just like a lot of the sacks are

938
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: tied to the quarterback too. To be you know, to

939
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: be fair on both sides of it. To the offensive line.

940
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: I told people ahead of time that the line would

941
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 3: look better with the better quarterback, And the line looked

942
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: better at the better quarterback. So the run blocking wasn't great.

943
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 3: You get over there, Yeah, I know what's going on.

944
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: The linebacker wasn't great, or the running the linebacker. Linebackers

945
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: weren't great out there. The run blocking wasn't great, and

946
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: the quarterback changed, And that's a factor. It's a factor

947
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: like the very his first completion of the game, the

948
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 3: bootleg player comes right through the middle of the line

949
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. But he's athletic and he's strong enough to

950
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 3: get out of there anyways. Right, So those are the

951
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: little things that happened that are different now that they

952
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 3: have a different quarterback. But you're right, Brent Brown played

953
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 3: a heck of a game in this game for given

954
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: the circumstances. All right, So we're taking Drake May out

955
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: of this, right, are you dying? Are you good?

956
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: Like?

957
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: Are we gonna? I just got like some I don't know,

958
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. Everybody's like, I.

959
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: Don't know how much people listen to him trying to

960
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: pull the mic away.

961
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 3: Apologies, there's yeah, yeah, all right. My number one up

962
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: in this game was Pop Douglas. I thought he was

963
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: the best player on the field for the Patriots offensively.

964
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

965
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: Six catches, ninety two yards, touchdown, career high for his

966
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: career tee, all that kind of stuff is great, But

967
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 3: I I really felt like he could have had like

968
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty yards in this game if Drake

969
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: May had made some more throws on those crossing routes. Uh.

970
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 3: He is an absolute problem against man coverage. Like this

971
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: is a legitimate man coverage demon in Pop Douglas that

972
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: the Patriots have. Uh, the teams are going to have

973
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: to start accounting for this now that they have a

974
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: quarterback that can actually get him the football. Uh, they're

975
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 3: gonna have to. I don't know if they're gonna it's

976
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: gonna be a bracket, it's gonna be robber, it's gonna

977
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: be what, you know, whatever they do to try to

978
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: cut off the middle of the because if you just

979
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: play man to man with popping the slot, he's gonna

980
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: run across the field and he's gonna get open. Like

981
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: he was absolutely I don't even have the word for it.

982
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 3: Like he was just absolutely owning Jalen Petrie and Eric

983
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: Murray in this game. Like it wasn't even some of

984
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: the reps weren't even close. They weren't even competitive, Like

985
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: he was shaking them off the screen on some plays.

986
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 3: It was awesome to watch. He was great in this game.

987
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: He is a man coverage problem. If he gets hitting

988
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: stride on the crossing route that we talked about earlier,

989
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: that when for seventeen, that's probably another thirty five yard touchdown.

990
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 3: And if he gets hit on that third down play

991
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: early on in the game, and that he airmailed on

992
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: the interception, and there was another crosser that he missed

993
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 3: in the early second half, like third quarter on a

994
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: crossing ground. You add those three plays back into his totals,

995
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: we're talking one hundred and fifty and two touchdowns for

996
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: Pop Douglass in this game. So he was fantastic. And

997
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: now you know, if they start playing, they start playing

998
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: cut like they start cutting him off on those crossing routes.

999
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: I'm waiting to see the inverted over where he fakes

1000
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: the crosser and then breaks out like on a corner

1001
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: or something like that. I'm also waiting for. Now, you're

1002
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: gonna have one on ones other places, right, Like if

1003
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: the safeties are helping to Pop in the middle of

1004
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 3: the field, that's gonna create one on ones for Polk,

1005
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: for Booty, for Born, for Hunter Henry. Like those guys

1006
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: have to then go out and windows. But I had

1007
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: I had Pop as my number one up. Who's number two?

1008
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I popped all this too, I mean, and the

1009
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: biggest thing I agree with already said, it's sustainable. I

1010
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: think this is who he is.

1011
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1012
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: I just think he's an absolute demon out of the slot.

1013
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah he should be he stays healthy. We talked about

1014
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: before the year, we thought he could be a thousand

1015
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: yard receiver.

1016
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: Like, here we go, he's on pace even with how

1017
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: a kneemake their passing game was to start the season,

1018
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: he was He's on pace for seventy catches. And now

1019
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: if you're factor in that, Drake May is going to

1020
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: be throwing him the ball, hopefully for the rest of

1021
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: the season, he might might add, you know, five to

1022
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: ten catches onto that pace. We might be talking about

1023
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: like at least eight for eight hundred. Yeah, eighty for

1024
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: eight hundred. I mean for Pop this year, if not more,

1025
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: if he hits on some of those explosive plays. The

1026
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: only thing that I'm waiting for now I mentioned the

1027
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: inverted over is what they used to call it. Some

1028
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: West Coast teams call it a Seattle route, or like

1029
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: you fake the crosser and then you break out, like

1030
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: you get the corner to commit his hips to the

1031
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: crosser and then you cut out on it. Edelman was

1032
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: great at it. Jacobe Myers is actually really good at

1033
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: that route. The other thing I'm just waiting for, too,

1034
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 3: is like, you know, some more vertical routes down the field,

1035
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 3: like double moves or seams or whatever. Now that Drake

1036
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: may is in there, I think Pop Douglas is a

1037
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 3: big play guy that can do those types of things.

1038
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: So I had Pop, You had Pop? Who is your third?

1039
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: I think the second week in Orre, I've had this guy,

1040
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: Marte Mapu. Yeah, just continues We'll talk about the defense

1041
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: and then has not been good. But I think the

1042
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: like Macro picture for the defense, right, Yeah, you lose

1043
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: to On bent Lee, you lose Jabrill Peppers, you lose

1044
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: Matthew Judon, you lose Christian Barmore. Not only are these

1045
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: guys good players, their tone setters. They play with a

1046
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: physical edge that sort of just becomes infectious to the

1047
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: rest of the team. And what you have right now

1048
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: with this defense is I think a unit that's not

1049
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: playing with a ton of intensity, not playing with a

1050
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: ton of physicality. Except for Marte Mapu, who continues to

1051
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: play very good football, very physical football. They need to

1052
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: set it up where he becomes the new tone setter

1053
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: for this defense because he's the only guy playing with

1054
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: that tone right now that they need to get to.

1055
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was good in this game. I

1056
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: considered him as well. He also has the pass breakup

1057
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: in the end zone that leads to an interception. It's

1058
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: kind of like the only play they made on defense.

1059
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 3: It feels like the guy that I had on defense,

1060
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: because when they lose like this, I try to do

1061
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: one offense, one defense. And then I had Drake, so

1062
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: you don't have to go over that again. It was

1063
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 3: Devon Gotscha, who I know it feels weird that you

1064
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: give up one hundred and ninety rushing yards and you

1065
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: put the nose tackle as that and up. But he

1066
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: did it running away from him. Yeah, he had six

1067
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 3: stuffs in this game. He's up to eighteen stuffs on

1068
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 3: the season. It leads all in interior defensive linemen. Yep,

1069
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: and that's stat with eighteen of them. So he's been fantastic.

1070
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 3: I think he's done his job more than adequately. He's

1071
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 3: done his job at a really high level. So they're

1072
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 3: running away from him. It's off tackle and in this

1073
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 3: game they actually ran a couple of wham plays where

1074
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: they specifically blocked him, you know, with scheme because they

1075
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: couldn't block him one on one, so they had to

1076
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: throw something else at him. And it's not really on

1077
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: him that other people aren't making those plays. So Devon

1078
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 3: Godshaw six stuffs is a lot, especially for that position

1079
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: where you're playing nose tackle. You're getting doubled a lot,

1080
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: like you're not necessarily in there to put up stats.

1081
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: He's put up stats this year and he's been very

1082
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 3: very good. So Godshaw is my other one. Let's go

1083
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: over to the downs, right, we did all of our

1084
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: ups ye. Yeah, who's your number one down mine?

1085
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk. Yeah, so on a day for the where

1086
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: the offense really got going for him to kind of

1087
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: be left out of that. And I'm not somebody who

1088
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: believes like this is like who he'll be, but drops

1089
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: or thing with him. Now, Like we knew he was

1090
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: getting open, he continued to get open. Doesn't mean anything

1091
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: if he can't catch the ball. So he's just he's

1092
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: got to catch the ball.

1093
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, some focus drops in this game, and that's that's

1094
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: a little bit concerning, like drops that are that are

1095
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: tough catches or forest errors or whatever. Some people don't

1096
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 3: even track those as drops, like if the defender gets

1097
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 3: his hand in late or something like that. These were

1098
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: like these were on your mits and you just dropped

1099
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 3: the ball, right, Yeah, Yeah, he was on my list

1100
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: as well as Austin Hooper, you know. With that fumble

1101
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: was my third down, But I'll start back up at

1102
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: the top. I had four downs actually, because you know

1103
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: we'll lose by twenty points, we're gonna have some more.

1104
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: My number one down right now, and this is like

1105
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: kind of crawling on my backside a little bit. At

1106
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 3: this point, the defensive coaching the defensive coaching to me

1107
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: in in general, I will I understand that they've had

1108
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: injuries in off field circumstances and nobody's fault that Christian

1109
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: Barmore randomly gets blood clots like the day second day

1110
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 3: of training camp. And I get all that they are

1111
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 3: too talented on defense to be twenty ninth in the league.

1112
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: In Dvoa, they are at bottom five defense in the NFL.

1113
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 3: They have too much talent on the field. Like, they

1114
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: have guys in the secondary. They have a Christian Gonzales.

1115
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 3: They have a number one corner Kyle Dugger is a

1116
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: good football player. They have guys in the front seven,

1117
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: Keon White. I mentioned Devon Godshaw as an up. Joshua

1118
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: Ja has played better football than this in his past.

1119
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: Jelani Tavai has played much better football than this in

1120
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 3: his past. Their fundamentals aren't great. Their run fits are terrible.

1121
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: H they're not playing good fundamentally. Do your job, you know,

1122
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: assignment sound football on the defense. Uh, they are getting

1123
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: out schemeing weeke in and week out getting out schemed.

1124
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: I mean they the same play post. It's a simple post. Cross.

1125
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 3: San Francisco started it like they started spamming it. Miami

1126
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: hit a big playoff of it, and now Houston hit

1127
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 3: a big playoff of it, a twenty six yard indcut

1128
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: to Stefan Diggs. It's the same play base defense, cover two,

1129
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: run a vertical over the top, run a cross or

1130
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: a dig at the second level, one of those two

1131
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: routes is going to be open. Just throw to the

1132
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: open guy. Three straight games, three straight quarterbacks have hit

1133
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: the same route all three times. You know, these are

1134
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: things that you look at the play calling, you look

1135
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 3: at the fundamentals, you look at across the board. They

1136
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 3: are too good. They have too many horses on defense

1137
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: to be giving up forty one points a game. They

1138
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 3: I understand they had some short fields. I understand they

1139
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: had the injury excuses, but I thought to Von Gotshaw

1140
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: said it best after the game, Like we've had injuries

1141
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 3: in the past, we've had circumstances in the past, We've

1142
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 3: still been able to maintain a certain standard, a certain

1143
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: level of defense. And you know, my one big take

1144
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: too on the defense, and this is just my opinion,

1145
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: strictly my opinion. I don't love the approach that Gerard

1146
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 3: Mayo has taken, and I didn't love it. I'm sure

1147
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: we talked about this when he got hired, because I

1148
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: didn't love it back then either. It's to the point

1149
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: now at the defense where I'm starting to consider that

1150
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 3: Gerard Mayo might might need to take over himself. He

1151
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: is a defensive minded head coach. He is a first

1152
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: time head coach. He's one of the youngest. He's the

1153
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: second youngest. I'll just stick to the facts. He's the

1154
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: second youngest head coach in the NFL. It's really difficult

1155
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 3: to be a CEO head coach. It's the ideal. Bill

1156
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: Belichick is the ideal. A guy that has a rolladex

1157
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: of knowledg that he can just go all three phases

1158
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: and he can just go through it and he can

1159
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: hand you know, we got to do this on special teams,

1160
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 3: got to do this offensively, defensively. I don't think Girod

1161
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 3: Mayo has the experience to be able to pull from

1162
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: past experiences like Bill could to coach the side of

1163
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: the ball that's not his area expertise. Does that make sense? Like, yeah,

1164
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: so I look at it. Coaches across the league that

1165
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 3: are in similar spots, that are in you know, similar

1166
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: age ranges, similar experiences. Demiko Ryans, he was just here

1167
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 3: with Houston. Demiko Ryans is the Texans defensive play caller. He's,

1168
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: by all intents and purposes, their defensive coordinator, Bobby Slowick

1169
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 3: is running their offense. Does Demiko Ryans every once in

1170
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: a while get in the headset and say, hey, let's

1171
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: run the ball here. I'm sure he does right, I'm

1172
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: sure he has input. You're the head coach, but his

1173
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: focus is on the defense. He leads the meetings, he

1174
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 3: calls the plays like he's the defensive coordinator for all

1175
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 3: intents and purposes. Even a guy that's his experienced is

1176
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 3: like Andy Reid in this league. Steve Spagnelo is coaching

1177
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,959
Speaker 3: the Kansas City defense. That's his baby, That's his side

1178
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: of the ball. Andy Reid's calling plays on offense, He's

1179
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: drawn stuff up in the lab. Steve Spagnello is coaching

1180
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: the defense we see it on Sundays. He's calling timeouts

1181
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 3: from the sideline when they're on defense, right, Like, that's

1182
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: his side of the football. I like Covington. He's got

1183
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 3: a lot of energy, he's got a lot of intensity.

1184
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: I think he's got a really good chance to be

1185
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 3: a good head coach or a good coach. Excuse me

1186
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: down the line here, and I'm not saying he's a

1187
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 3: bad coach, but when you're twenty ninth in the league

1188
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: in Dvoa, I believe there's still thirty first in the

1189
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: league on third down, Like, they're just not a very

1190
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: good defense right now, that's Mayo's side of the ball.

1191
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: I would like to see him take maybe a little

1192
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: bit more ownership. And just for the sake of discussion here,

1193
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 3: I don't know for a fact that he's not taking

1194
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: ownership right Like, I don't know one hundred percent of

1195
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: this isn't already how it's going on. But it feels

1196
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: to me like he kind of wants to be that CEO.

1197
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: That's what he told us, that he wants to delegate

1198
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 3: and he wants to sit at the top and do

1199
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. I'm just not sure if

1200
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: that's the best structure for him right now. I'll give

1201
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: you one more name, Mike McDonald. In Seattle, he is

1202
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: allowing Grub Ryan Grubb, their offensive coordinator, to run the offense.

1203
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: Mac McDonald has the play sheet on the defensive side

1204
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: of the ball. Right former defensive coordinator the Baltimore Ravens.

1205
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: That's how he got this job. He is running his

1206
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 3: defense and Ryan grub is running the offense. That's the

1207
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: youngest head coach in the NFL by like a year, right,

1208
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: Sean McVay very first time, and I promise I'll stop

1209
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 3: branding Sean McVay. His very first setup as the Rams

1210
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: head coach was Sean McVay is the head coach slash.

1211
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: Let's just call it what it is. Offensive coordinator. Wade

1212
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 3: Phillips was the defense coordinator. There's nobody more experienced and

1213
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 3: more knowledgeable about defense besides maybe Bill and Nick Saban

1214
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: than Wade Phillips. So he hired a veteran guy who's

1215
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 3: done it before, and Wade Phillips was in charge of

1216
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 3: the defense like it was Wade Phillips' defense. I just

1217
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 3: feel like Girod Mayo might need to be more hands

1218
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: on with the defense because this is tackling, this is

1219
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: run fits, This is not like high level stuff. This

1220
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 3: is fundamentals and baseline standard of football. They need to

1221
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: be better at that sort of stuff.

1222
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 1: And to your point about there maybe being a change,

1223
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: Trod Mayo said this week when he was asked about

1224
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: is the penalty specifically, but I think this applies to

1225
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: all the fundamental stuff they're being changes. Yeah, to you know,

1226
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: they need reliable guys. And it came across like he

1227
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: was talking about the roster and the depth chart. But

1228
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: maybe that applies to coaching staff too, So maybe last

1229
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: week's game is the impetus for that.

1230
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't necessarily, I'm not advocating is against

1231
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: just my opinion. I'm not advocating for the fact that

1232
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: they should take play calling away from DeMarcus Comington necessarily.

1233
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: But if girod Mayo is trying to have his hands

1234
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: in every single sort of jar, so to speak, and

1235
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: split his time up between offense, defense, special teams and

1236
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 3: give each one of those his time, it might be

1237
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 3: time to give seven sixty five percent to the defense,

1238
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: right like favor of the defense, because that's your area of.

1239
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: Any fertities, that's where you need more helpe right now?

1240
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent? All right, who's your another second time?

1241
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: So I mean kind of along the same lines. I

1242
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: just went run game, both sides of the ball. You

1243
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: covered a lot of what's going on on defense, poor

1244
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: run fits, poor tackling. You look at those two big runs.

1245
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: There's guys just shooting out a position, being way too aggressive,

1246
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: trying to make plays that aren't there. I saw Jacquelin

1247
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: and Roy who's played pretty well, but like, yeah, he

1248
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: had a blown assignment on a run. Marco Wilson had

1249
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: a blown assignment on a run. Just guys being out

1250
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: of position. Then on offense too, they missed Ramandrie Stevenson

1251
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: badly in this game. Yeah, and this is where you're

1252
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: gonna roll your eyes and me and I know, because.

1253
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: They're gonna go that was the running back and not

1254
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 3: the guys getting blown off.

1255
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: Yes, and no, they didn't block well, but they haven't

1256
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: blocked well in the run game all year, and they've

1257
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: still run the ball well with Stevenson in there. Remember

1258
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: there's that stat two weeks in the season that kind

1259
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: of blew up that Stevenson in more yards after contact

1260
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: than he did total yards. And you can push back

1261
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: and say the way PFF calculates yards after contact or

1262
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: the way next Gen calculates yards after contact is maybe

1263
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: a litterable, a little more favorable than the running back

1264
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: than it needs to be. But the reality is that

1265
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: all their backs were getting hit in the backfield constantly,

1266
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: but with Stevenson. Where they miss Stevenson, and this is

1267
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,959
Speaker 1: where I think the running backs don't matter. People miss

1268
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: the picture. It's not about Stevenson's ability to break off

1269
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: a thirty yard run, a thirty five yard run. We

1270
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: know we can do that, but Antonio Gibson can do

1271
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: that too. The difference is, to me, like Ramandrie, Stevenson

1272
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: is really good at turning a run that should go

1273
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: for no yards into a three or four yard game,

1274
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: or a run that should get stopped in the backfield

1275
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: into a game of two or three yards. And what

1276
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: that does is it allows the Patriots offense to stay

1277
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: on schedule. Even when the run blocking's not there. Stevenson's

1278
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: still gonna get you three yards. Now it's second and seven. Again,

1279
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: maybe the run blocking's not there, He's gonna get you

1280
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: three more. Now it's third and four, instead of when

1281
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: you look at what happened on the first series of

1282
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: this game, third and nine. Because that hidden yards that

1283
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: Stevenson was getting for you just by falling forward or

1284
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: not allowing the first guy to tackle him and waiting

1285
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: until a second defender got there to come down. Stevenson's

1286
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: averaging four was averaging four yards after contact per carry

1287
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: coming into this game, right, and again you want to say, well,

1288
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: that number is not right. It's not calculated. Just for reference,

1289
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: the same people that were calculating that had the Patriots

1290
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: at two point one yards after contact in this game.

1291
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: That's two yards per run that aren't there. That adds

1292
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: up over the course of the game. So you know,

1293
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: did they They didn't miss when it comes to the

1294
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: big runs.

1295
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 3: Right, are you telling me that you go and this

1296
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: with drafting your boys. I'm not.

1297
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: You still don't understand that take, so I have to

1298
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: refine it. I do not say, well, let me just

1299
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: be I do not think the patriot should draft ash

1300
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: genty in the first round. Let me be clear about

1301
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: the Patriots should not draft ash Genting. I truly believe

1302
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: it true. Whether I want them to or not a

1303
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: different story, but they should. The take is there's a

1304
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: lot of hidden yardage, the issues with the run blocking

1305
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: that that I think Ramondre Stevenson is able to kind

1306
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: of work around and hide because of his ability to

1307
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: pick up yards after contact and because of his ability

1308
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: to fall forward and to force the second defender to

1309
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: make the play. They missed that big time in the

1310
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: offensive line didn't reciprocate or didn't compensate for it. And

1311
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: this is where we'll disagree because you'll say the running

1312
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: backs don't matter. Not everybody falls forward like Ramandra Stevenson,

1313
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: and that showed up in this game.

1314
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 3: So I would also just on your side of the

1315
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 3: street because I don't want to be completely combative to

1316
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 3: your take. Okay. It also just it chips in with

1317
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: Antonio Gibson because now he's kind of playing a different

1318
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: role right and he's playing a little bit more of

1319
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: an early down base type of role.

1320
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: He's also just not a bowling bat.

1321
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 3: Right back or high volume back really ideally like maybe

1322
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 3: for a game or two, it's fine, but I thought

1323
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 3: it had an impact on him as well because now

1324
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 3: he's playing early downs, he's playing third down like he's

1325
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 3: playing a lot of football in this game. On Sunday,

1326
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 3: I could I don't necessarily disagree with you. I can't like,

1327
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 3: I don't have any major you know, pushback to what

1328
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: you said. There's been a lot of criticism of a

1329
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 3: VP yeah, all year, and some of it from the show,

1330
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 3: So it's I'm not saying that it's it's not totally warranted.

1331
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: But in this game, they script the first fifteen plays

1332
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: every game, right, that's the first fifteen is like sort

1333
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 3: of their thing, so they there's a little bit of Christism.

1334
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 3: Myself included. I wrote it in game observations. I didn't

1335
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 3: love it, and then I thought about it some more

1336
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 3: and I realized what really was going on. So they

1337
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: run the ball twice to start this game, first and

1338
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 3: second down, to your point, like they're thinking that at

1339
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 3: the worst case scenario, they'll be in third and medium, right,

1340
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: they'll be in third and four, three and five something

1341
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 3: like that. Turns out they get one yard on first

1342
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: and second down, So now it's third and nine. Now

1343
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 3: they're three and out and they're punting. The very first

1344
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 3: play of the next drive was the bootleg play to

1345
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 3: Kendrick Boord. I actually felt like AVP learned from the

1346
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: Jets game a little bit that I'm not gonna start

1347
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: with the bootleg because we haven't set it up yet, right,

1348
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna run it twice. We'll pick up third down,

1349
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 3: and then on first down we're gonna boot leg. And

1350
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 3: that's how we're gonna get Drake into the game. Like,

1351
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 3: that's how we're gonna give them an easy lay up

1352
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 3: because to me, like the best thing to do with

1353
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 3: the young quarterback has to give them a layup to

1354
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 3: get them into the game, right, just giving them a

1355
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 3: completion that is simple. One read exactly the throat of

1356
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: bourn Like, that's exactly what you do with the young quarterback.

1357
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 3: It just they just went three and out, right, So

1358
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 3: like they went out they If that had been the

1359
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 3: fourth play of the opening drive, then I don't think

1360
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 3: everybody would have been as critical of how the game started.

1361
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: It just the first two plays were run plays and

1362
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 3: they gained no yards on them. So I agree with

1363
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 3: you and a lot of respects on that. I definitely

1364
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 3: put more on the run blocking. But I hear what

1365
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 3: you're saying, Uh.

1366
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just like on that first series, maybe we're

1367
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: Monderick Seedson gets them more yards, yep, because again, like

1368
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: I think there's hiden yards there. Maybe they do get

1369
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: to third and five with Romandre right becomes an easier

1370
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: pass on third down, and then that bootleg becomes the

1371
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: fourth play, like the fourth the fourth play to drive right, right,

1372
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: because it's all scripted, so everything is it's all sequenced

1373
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: together already. So that was always going to be their

1374
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: fourth offensive play. Whether it happened on the first driver

1375
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: or it happened on the second drive, that was going

1376
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: to be their fourth offensive play. We all got on

1377
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: a VP after the Jets game on Thursday, that Thursday

1378
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: night game for calling play action before setting it up

1379
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: right like that was the big criticism coming out of

1380
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 1: that game.

1381
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: This game, he's set it up. It just happened that

1382
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 3: they didn't pick up the third down right, And so

1383
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: that's the difference. All right, a couple more downs, just

1384
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 3: the off ball linebacker play. It's just not good enough.

1385
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 3: Ray quand McMillan and Janieva had both of them.

1386
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna get to vie back on the edge. I

1387
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: know they're probably Kendrick Bourne told us that there's a

1388
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: plant's kind of easing back in, and he wasn't gonna

1389
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: go right right to talking about Takias And yeah, so

1390
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: Taki Taki hasn't told us that they're doing that, but

1391
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: it would stand to reason that that's the situation. But

1392
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: gotta get that ramp up going because they him and

1393
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: and Christian Ellis are suddenly like you kind of need

1394
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: those guys.

1395
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see about Christian Ellis in terms of early down,

1396
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 3: I think he's a little small for that.

1397
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: Well, they said he's gonna play more early down.

1398
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 3: They gotta try some different things. That's the bottom line.

1399
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 3: Ray Quan McMillan feels like, I hate to pick on him,

1400
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 3: but it feels like every single week he's in the

1401
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 3: middle of some big runs, like it's he's at the

1402
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 3: point of the.

1403
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: Sad they just he's so miscast right now to me.

1404
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 3: So I think he's an early down player. I think

1405
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 3: right now he's overthinking things and like trying to do

1406
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 3: too much. He's trying to cover up too much. He's

1407
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 3: trying to be Juwan Bentley, right. It's what's surprising to

1408
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 3: me with him is like be a hammer not a nail, right,

1409
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 3: Like go out there and Bentley would do this all

1410
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 3: the time. You might not be the one making the tackle,

1411
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 3: but if you can be the one that's ruining the

1412
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 3: blocking scheme, then that will allow somebody else to make

1413
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: a tackle. So like on the big fifty nine yard run,

1414
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,520
Speaker 3: the first one, it's a wham play. They hit it backside,

1415
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 3: they wham Devon Godshaw and they get a second level

1416
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: climb to ray Kwan McMillan, Ray Kwan McMillan tries to

1417
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 3: back door it. He tries to shoot the gap, you know, inside,

1418
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 3: and he just misses. He misses the ball carrier and

1419
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 3: it goes out and it's a fifty nine yard run.

1420
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 3: Like I would so much rather see him try to

1421
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 3: compress the space, like go into the blocker, like meet

1422
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 3: the blocker in the hole and push him into the

1423
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: edge so that way there there's less of a hole,

1424
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 3: you know, compress the hole for the running back. And

1425
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 3: then maybe you don't. Maybe you're not the one that

1426
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 3: gets him on the ground, but maybe that gives you

1427
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 3: Kean White an opportunity to make the tackle, or maybe

1428
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 3: the safety coming from from depth over the top has

1429
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: more time to get down there now and make the tackle.

1430
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 3: It might still be an eight yard run, but it's

1431
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 3: not a fifty nine yard run, right if something like

1432
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 3: that happens. So I just think he's been timid and

1433
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 3: just like not playing very it's in his head or

1434
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 3: something like that. Their run fits from the second level.

1435
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 3: They're they're constantly in each other's gaps, they're constantly over pursuing.

1436
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 3: There's cutback lanes all over the place. From the second

1437
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 3: level the defense, you know, not being sound with their fits.

1438
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 3: They can't get off blocks, like it's just ugly. It's

1439
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 3: ugly right now. They don't cover well like their base defense,

1440
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: Like they can't play bass against the pass because they

1441
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 3: don't cover well in space. So whether it's Taki Taki,

1442
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 3: it's a Ellis, it's whoever, like Joe Giles Harris from

1443
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: the practice squad, like, yeah, whoever. They have to start

1444
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 3: trying some different people there point blank. It's just not

1445
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 3: gonna be good enough like this, Uh, do you have

1446
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 3: another down right third?

1447
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I kind of feel bad doing this because

1448
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he's putting in a bad spot. But Entrey

1449
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: Jacobs was not good.

1450
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, him and Thomas were not good, but bad spot.

1451
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he got blown by a couple times,

1452
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: almost almost at the point where it's like, dude, just hold,

1453
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 1: just hold if you're gonna get beat clean, Like, don't

1454
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: let the kid get hit, right. But I actually thought

1455
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: he was making some progress at right tackle the last

1456
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: few weeks, and now he might have to Now he

1457
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: might have to flip the left, which that makes me

1458
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: really nervous. They got to start doing more to help

1459
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: these tackles. Out, Yeah, because they are just putting guys

1460
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:49,520
Speaker 1: in bad situations.

1461
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: All right, last one for me, I know we're going

1462
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 3: along on this and we'll get to the phones, I promise.

1463
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 3: The last one for me was Jonathan Jones. Just I know,

1464
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 3: I'm not ready to say that he's like declining or

1465
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 3: any anything.

1466
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: Like Dell is a good freaking play.

1467
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 3: He's a good player. But five or five or seventy

1468
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 3: one in a touchdown into Jonathan Jones' coverage in this game,

1469
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 3: I just feel like teams are starting not to throw

1470
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 3: a ton at Qrushian Gonzalez. They kind of know that that.

1471
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: What do you think of him?

1472
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 2: So?

1473
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 3: I thought that he was okay outside of like two

1474
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 3: bad reps and two bad reps one goes for a

1475
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 3: third big third down completion and one goes for a touchdown.

1476
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 3: But really, outside of that, there was really no damage.

1477
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: I think Diggs had the best game any receivers had

1478
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: against Gonzales in his NFL career. Now, I think that

1479
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: says more about Gonzalez because because it really it wasn't

1480
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: this great game, but it like objectively rights one has

1481
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: to be the most impressive digs just whatever it is

1482
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: about the Patriots especially in Jelette Stadium, just gets digs going.

1483
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a big Lighthouse fan or whatever,

1484
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: but like it'll be interesting to see. So two things

1485
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: for Gonzalez. I think he has to bounce back from

1486
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: what was a objectively I think the best performance against him.

1487
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I think A. J. Brown was better, but that

1488
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: was his very first game right in the NFL.

1489
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: This is also like, and look, I think Brian Thomas

1490
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: Junior is a really good player. Yeah, but this is

1491
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: also the first game where it's not like like the

1492
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: Gauntlet's over, not over, I mean for the time next week,

1493
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: but like, this is the first game where it's not like,

1494
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's going to an elite elite receiver

1495
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: was right to monte Ada. Yeah, it's the first game

1496
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: where it's not like, oh my god, he's going up

1497
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: against that guy. So it'll be kind of interesting to

1498
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: see how that plays.

1499
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean, look, he's if you had him

1500
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 3: on your downs list, I wouldn't like hold it against you.

1501
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know, but like I didn't put him on

1502
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: my downs, but like those, if you were to rank

1503
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: his career performances, this is his last or second.

1504
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: Aligne it's down by the bottom. It the one thing

1505
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 3: I was just crazy. It wasn't that bad. Yeah, I

1506
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 3: mean the stats are really it's like I think it

1507
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 3: was like four for forty four in a touchdown, Like

1508
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 3: it's not like a game of one hundred and fifty

1509
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 3: yards into his coverage. He was. The thing I would

1510
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 3: say about Gonzales is just red zone third down, Like

1511
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 3: those are really big plays for this defense, and they

1512
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 3: need him to be even better in those situations, right,

1513
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 3: Like those are high leverage downs that they need three

1514
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 3: points instead of seven points. So like that's that's a

1515
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 3: big deal.

1516
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 1: And go back to camp. Sorry to go back to camp.

1517
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: And I think clearly at this point we made too

1518
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: much of the struggles he was having a camp but

1519
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: some of us. That was one area that definitely stood

1520
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: out with some of the red zone stuff for him

1521
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:29,480
Speaker 1: where he was struggling.

1522
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the reason why I put Jonathan Jones on

1523
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 3: there more than more than Gonzales A it was just

1524
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 3: because the stats were worse, Like the numbers were worse,

1525
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 3: But be what's what's gonna end up happening is that

1526
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 3: if Gonzales continues to be really really good or even

1527
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 3: if like that's a down game for Christian Gonzalez is

1528
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 3: still pretty good. Teams are gonna start picking on the

1529
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 3: other corners, right and they're gonna start coming after Marcus Jones,

1530
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones, Marco Wilson, like, those are gonna be the

1531
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 3: guys that are gonna be on teams radars now because

1532
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 3: they're not gonna want to throw at Gonzales as much.

1533
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 3: So Jonathan Jones is going to have a lot of attention.

1534
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 3: He's going to get a lot of targets, He's going

1535
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 3: to get a lot of action coming his way, and

1536
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 3: he struggled in this campaign. Dal was a good receiver.

1537
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 3: He is, but this was a down game from Jonathan Jones.

1538
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 3: So those are our downs. Let's get to the phones.

1539
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 3: I know you guys have been waiting on hold for

1540
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: a while, so we apologize for that, and then we're

1541
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 3: going to talk a little Jaguars here too, because I

1542
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 3: have some takes about Jacksonville as well. But Patty is

1543
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 3: an agaam. What's up Patty going on?

1544
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 5: Gentlemen?

1545
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 3: How you doing.

1546
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 7: Good?

1547
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 5: I just want to say something about May and I

1548
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 5: got a question for both of you guys. May look

1549
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 5: like a Rickie quarterback, but I got heat. For me,

1550
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 5: he exceeded expectations because I didn't know what to expect

1551
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 5: with the line. I was a little nervous, Like you know,

1552
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 5: we all know how the lines look this year, but Havan,

1553
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 5: you're thirty three percent pressure Yate. I think he does

1554
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 5: definitely have something to do with that because he is

1555
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 5: so athletic and man, he's always got a cannon. That's

1556
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 5: all I gotta say. I like how they incorporated some

1557
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 5: of the second year guys, like like Pop, Douglas and Booty.

1558
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 5: The big question, big overall arching question for me is

1559
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 5: do you guys think that before the end of the

1560
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 5: year or hopefully within the next couple of games, we

1561
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 5: see Polk get out of his own head because, like

1562
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 5: you said, Ivan on Taput, it looks like he's getting open,

1563
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,520
Speaker 5: and you know, he was highly regarded for his hands.

1564
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 5: Didn't catch the ball, hasn't caught the ball in the

1565
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 5: last couple of weeks, and I would like to see

1566
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 5: him progress and get better much like much like May

1567
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 5: before the end of the year. And two part questions,

1568
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 5: do you think he could possibly become a viable number

1569
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 5: two guy? That's all I got because I want DK metcalf.

1570
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 2: That's all I got. Guys.

1571
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 3: Thanks, I appreciate the call as always. Yeah, I'm sure

1572
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 3: you have a Jalen Polk take as well. My thing

1573
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 3: with Jalen Polk is I'm actually in a weird way.

1574
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, glad this is what he's struggling with, because

1575
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 3: I feel like this is turning almost into like a

1576
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 3: yip situation where he'll get over it because he does

1577
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 3: have great hands, and that is a calling card of his.

1578
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 3: I would be more concerned if he wasn't getting open,

1579
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 3: because you can't. It's harder. It's almost like goes back

1580
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 3: to the quarterback thing we were talking about. To me,

1581
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 3: it's a lot harder to teach separation than it is

1582
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 3: to teach a guy how to catch. Yeah, and I'll

1583
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 3: give you a great example. Julian Edelman. Julian Edelman his

1584
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 3: rookie training camp, could not catch cold. He dropped a

1585
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 3: million passes. But he had the shiftiness, he had the

1586
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 3: route running ability, he had the work ethic. He could

1587
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 3: get open. So eventually he developed hands, or at least

1588
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 3: good enough hands, and turn into a great receiver. It's

1589
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 3: so much harder to teach the separation part of it.

1590
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 3: Than it is to teach the hands. I'm glad that

1591
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk continues to get open. I thought he got

1592
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 3: opened a couple times again in this game and just

1593
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 3: dropped the ball. And they'll work on and he also,

1594
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 3: you know, just wasn't targeted. It was away from the

1595
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 3: ball in some instances. So they'll continue to work on that.

1596
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 3: He'll be on the jugs machine. He'll you know, he'll

1597
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 3: get it, you know, get it down. And I would

1598
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 3: rather that problem. Then this guy is just not an

1599
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 3: NFL athlete, like right, Like he just can't get open.

1600
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: He can't separate, he can't run away from anybody. That's

1601
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 3: not his problem right now.

1602
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, hit the drugs machine this week,

1603
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: and can they set up we talked about setting up

1604
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: an easy one for Drake May. Can you set up

1605
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: an easy one some sort of layup with your scheme

1606
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk open you know short, just pitch and catch

1607
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: and the you don't want to turn into the yips

1608
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: right right where Suddenly like now he doesn't get the

1609
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: ball next week, Now he's worried about it. Now catching

1610
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: is all he's thinking about, like as a receiver, like

1611
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: catching the football needs to be second nature. Yeah, you

1612
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: need to be more worried about your route, about your spacing,

1613
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: about things like that, like you just just catch the

1614
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: ball in your sleep. So for Jalen Polk, it's it's

1615
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: getting back to that. It's get one or two under

1616
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: your belt, get a couple layups under your belt, and

1617
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: we move on and you forget this ever happened.

1618
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, really quickly. But before they take the next call. Uh,

1619
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 3: this is the weird I had trouble with last week

1620
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 3: because I'm gonna try to do better this way.

1621
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: See it.

1622
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,240
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Speaker 3: That was better. I feel like that was better. I

1634
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 3: got the Falladay down. That was when I had tough,

1635
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 3: tough time.

1636
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: I thought that was last weekend though, Yeah, he did

1637
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: a better. Know what today is?

1638
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

1639
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: National past today.

1640
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 3: Oh it's a shame. The Bruins don't play shut out

1641
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 3: David Pasternak. And he had a goal last night, right

1642
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 3: he did score back door?

1643
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 1: There we go?

1644
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 3: Ye, all right, Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff?

1645
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 2: How you doing?

1646
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 7: Guys?

1647
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 3: Good?

1648
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 2: So I got a couple of things. One, I know

1649
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 2: you don't talk to fantasy, but I just wanted to

1650
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 2: let you know that the Manhattan Project is sitting at

1651
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 2: a proud four and two. Overcomes some adversity with Cooper

1652
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:15,919
Speaker 2: Cup and Nico Collins.

1653
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 3: But death, it's good death.

1654
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 2: We're holding strong. I thought the same thing in the

1655
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 2: game about Mayo potentially taking over the play calling. It's

1656
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 2: just it seems like in a lot of games this year,

1657
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 2: it's almost like the defense isn't prepared to adjust on

1658
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: the fly to anything that they might do. It's like

1659
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: the third or fourth game where they started incredibly slow,

1660
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 2: and it seems like they haven't been able to adjust

1661
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: till at least the second quarter. And in terms of

1662
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: the only real question I've got, uh, I know that

1663
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: AVP and Borne talked about Booty working harder and being

1664
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 2: better in practice, but from a film side of things,

1665
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 2: I was wondering what differences physically you've noticed. Obviously his

1666
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: freshman year, he just dominated the SEC and then he

1667
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 2: tested like crap because he was hurt. Rookie year didn't

1668
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: do that much. I mean, I don't study the film,

1669
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 2: but I didn't notice anything particularly outstanding physically. And then

1670
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 2: this past week he I know there was some hand

1671
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 2: fighting and he was sitting on the route, but he

1672
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 2: ran by Derek Stingley, who's a four to three corner

1673
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,799
Speaker 2: and probably a top ten or twelve corner in the league.

1674
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: So I was just wondering what you guys have seen

1675
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 2: from him physically that might make a difference in how

1676
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 2: he's been playing. And I'll take it off the air.

1677
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, Thanks Jenn, thanks for the call. So with

1678
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: Jay with Kaish on Booty, excuse me, I I got

1679
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 3: to apologize to kaishon Boody. I was not familiar with

1680
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 3: your game, right, Like, I really wasn't a big a

1681
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 3: big booty guy. No, no pun intended.

1682
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first one to make that joke.

1683
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I wasn't a big kishon booty guy. I

1684
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: hate that we do that where like you know how

1685
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 3: much I love Pop Douglas from start to finish, you know,

1686
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 3: draft and everything, and then it always kind of comes

1687
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 3: off like you hate the other guy, you know, like

1688
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 3: that's that's just sort of the way that those things work.

1689
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 3: I wasn't a big kishon booty guy. I didn't necessarily

1690
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 3: see this coming from him, that he was all of

1691
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 3: a sudden going to be like a core contributor to

1692
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,839
Speaker 3: the offense. I don't think physically he looks all that different.

1693
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: I just think mentally he looks more locked in, and

1694
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 3: he looks more just like sure of himself and confident

1695
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 3: on an NFL field, which is great to see, like

1696
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 3: he's playing great, Like it's not the production isn't crazy.

1697
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 3: Like he made two catches I think in this game.

1698
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 3: One of them was obviously a forty yard touchdown, which

1699
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 3: is huge, but it's it's really one big play. But

1700
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 3: at the same time, you know, he's he's blocking well,

1701
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 3: he's making big plays down the field. I think his

1702
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 3: confidence is a little bit better than it was maybe

1703
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: you know, last season, earlier even this season, and the

1704
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: late speed on Stingley showed up. You know, the ball

1705
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 3: was in the air and he pulled away from Derek

1706
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 3: Stingley on the touchdown. I didn't necessarily know if he

1707
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 3: had that in his back either, not just because of

1708
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 3: the forty time, but just you know, he was more

1709
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 3: of like a first and second level guy at LSU.

1710
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 3: Even when he was playing well, it was like those

1711
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 3: slants and stuff like that over the middle of the field.

1712
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 3: So he deserves credit. He's worked his butt off, is

1713
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 3: what everybody keeps telling us, like born Pop Avp, like

1714
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 3: all these guys are saying that he flipped a switch

1715
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 3: and he started really working his tail off behind the scenes,

1716
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 3: and I love seeing that, Like, good, good for him,

1717
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 3: kudos to him.

1718
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really wit Like if you remember back

1719
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: when we did that draft, I was really high on

1720
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: Kishan Boody at the beginning. I wish I knew and

1721
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't know why he ran a forty with the

1722
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: bust at ankle, but he did. I wish I knew

1723
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: that at the time, because I wouldn't have backed off

1724
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 1: my I would have been I would have stayed as

1725
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: strong on the take that like he should be a

1726
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: target for the Patriot. It's the thing with me, and

1727
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: every time we got these calls about him in the

1728
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: spring and the summer, like the talent has always been there,

1729
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: just hasn't been there consistently.

1730
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you.

1731
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: See what the guy's capable of, but he would have

1732
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: like one big day of practice and you wouldn't see

1733
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: him again for a week, and then you have a

1734
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: big day and then you wouldn't see him. And you

1735
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: just have to be consistent in the NFL. He's consistent

1736
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: right now, like you're seeing it day in, you're seeing

1737
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: it game in and game out. And I would think

1738
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: the fact that his playtime is not just steady but

1739
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: increasing tells me that that being reflected at practice as well.

1740
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: And that's what's big for him. Like the whole thing

1741
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: last year was there was no consistency to it. He

1742
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: wasn't a reliable player. The skill set was clear, but

1743
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: you just didn't know that he was going to give you.

1744
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: His top performance came in and came out. Now you're

1745
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: starting to see that, and now you're starting to see

1746
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: some of what made him such an exciting player at LSU.

1747
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: And that's what's big for me is just you talk

1748
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: about him being more locked in, like, yeah, I just

1749
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: think he's more focused, and I think it's probably a

1750
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: better environment for him. I do wonder how much it

1751
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: messed with his confidence last year that he doesn't get

1752
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: that foot down in the opener and then suddenly doesn't

1753
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: get the play right right. I think that probably impacted him,

1754
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: and I think that the internal belief in him has

1755
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: led to more confidence, and that in turn has led

1756
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: to him being more focused. And he's just in a

1757
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: good place right now and you love to see it.

1758
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: And he's got to keep it up, obviously, But this

1759
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: is a guy that has a ton of talent and

1760
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: he's finally a position to showcase it. He's doing that, Yeah, him,

1761
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: that's what's all about.

1762
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, and winning on the vertical routree a lot too,

1763
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 3: like whether it's like stops or comebacks, and then obviously

1764
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 3: goes their verticals like that. That part of his game.

1765
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 3: I wasn't really what he did at LSU.

1766
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: No, he's a middle of the field or super at LSU,

1767
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: which is part of what excites me because if he's

1768
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: now establishing this vertical stuff, you can build off of that,

1769
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: and you know, if teams are going to have to

1770
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: play off of them, he'll take He'll run slants. You

1771
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: can run him on slants all day. Yeah, and he'll

1772
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: take one of the house. If you throw him five

1773
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: or six slants, he'll break one of them up the

1774
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 1: field for a big gain, if not a touchdown.

1775
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1776
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: So because that's what he was doing in LSU, Right,

1777
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: So what's cool about this is like, he's not that

1778
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: guy you think of on the for forty yard go ball,

1779
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: Like that's not who he is.

1780
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 3: No, So I agree, if.

1781
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: He's doing that, there's so much more you can build

1782
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: off of that. And now let's see how they do it.

1783
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean this goes back to what I was

1784
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 3: kind of saying about Drake May with the man coverage stuff. Like,

1785
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 3: now if you see more off or you see more

1786
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 3: like soft zone because of that, he's just gonna start

1787
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 3: running unders and slants and things.

1788
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: And Kaisehan Booty is the guy like get the the

1789
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: like ceiling ceiling com form in that draft. Do you

1790
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: remember who it was I know ceiling ceiling sitting was

1791
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: Debo because kind of like this big strong receiver that's

1792
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: a ceiling I said, ceiling seat you get, But but

1793
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: do you see where like like I could see what

1794
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: people were saying with that, and I never thought he

1795
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: was gonna be Deebo. But it's like, if you get

1796
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 1: him the ball in space, he's a problem, not the

1797
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: way they've got like Pop Douglas is a problem, or

1798
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: not in the way that Julie Edelman is a problem.

1799
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 3: He's a type of guy, right.

1800
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: He's a big, physical ball carrier that when he gets

1801
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: ahead of steam, you're probably not going to tackle him

1802
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: one on one. So when if you can get him

1803
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: going over the middle of the field underneath and set

1804
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: up situations where he's catching the ball in space, like

1805
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to do things off of that. Yeah,

1806
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's Deebo. I'm not saying he's going

1807
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: to be Debo. But that was like the the player

1808
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: proto type, the apex of that prototype.

1809
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 3: This is this is very different from Debo, Like this

1810
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 3: is outside receivers.

1811
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. The goal ball is like,

1812
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: all right, that is not what I thought he was

1813
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,640
Speaker 1: like if to me him having success, wasn't that to

1814
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: me him having success?

1815
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 3: Douglas catch and run stuff, right, Yeah, you know he's

1816
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 3: vertical routes like he's running corners, he's running verticals, he's

1817
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 3: running comebacks a lot of the time, or like stop

1818
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 3: routes along the sideline off that vertical action, and like

1819
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 3: he's getting open on these routes, and it's it's good

1820
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 3: to see you. Like I said, you know, you start

1821
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 3: to get teams to back off now a little bit.

1822
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 3: They start to fear the deep ball a little bit

1823
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 3: more with Drake May and now all of a sudden,

1824
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 3: all that underneath stuff is gonna is gonna be open

1825
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 3: and they're gonna be able to get him the ball

1826
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 3: that way. So it's encouraging to see. They needed somebody

1827
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 3: because you have Pop who needs to play in the

1828
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 3: slot ruh Jalen Polk's really a flanker, like he's really

1829
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 3: a z or an off the line receiver. And then

1830
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 3: you have Kendrick Bourne who's really like a flanker off

1831
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 3: the line receiver too. So to get those four guys

1832
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 3: on the you know, in the mix together, somebody had

1833
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 3: to play the X like somebody had to play outside.

1834
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 3: They've had to play Jalen Polk there a lot more

1835
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 3: than I think they want to. And if Kaishan Boody

1836
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 3: can continue this, then maybe he can be a more

1837
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 3: permanent X and allow those other guys to play to

1838
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 3: their restraints and play to their skill sets. So it's

1839
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 3: it's good to see it.

1840
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 1: And just on Kishan Boody, one more thing before he

1841
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: fell off in that twenty two year, you take that out.

1842
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: His freshman year when he broke out, he averaged eight

1843
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 1: yards after the catch, yeah, per reception. He followed it

1844
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 1: up with seven. The next year he had over half

1845
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 1: his yards after the catch. So not a guy you

1846
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: think of that catches, you know, forty yard touchdown, catches

1847
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: it at the one from thirty nine yards away. Not

1848
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: usually who he is, but if he can add it, great.

1849
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 3: Phil is in Coventry. What's up, Phil?

1850
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 7: Hey? How you guys doing?

1851
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 8: Hey?

1852
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 3: Good?

1853
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 7: Oh well, you're totally ruined my leaving things because I

1854
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 7: was going to talk about case Sean and now I

1855
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 7: kind of been been a fan since they drafted him

1856
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 7: and waiting for him come out and finally doing it.

1857
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 7: But I guess we can do that with Drake May.

1858
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 7: And I'm kind of considering that, thinking that Drake May

1859
01:28:53,760 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 7: is kind of like, uh, crap, don't see his cat? Hello, Hello, yep,

1860
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 7: And you know, because it's I'm assuming you guys are

1861
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 7: aware of the theory of uh, they put the cat

1862
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 7: in the box shoating his cat. Excuse me.

1863
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: We've actually done Schrodinger's Cat on the show before. I

1864
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 1: don't remember what it was. We did it and I

1865
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: said it was I said something. I said it was

1866
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: like a psychological thing or philosophical No, that was different.

1867
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: It was around there, No Schrodinger's Cat.

1868
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 7: What it is is you put a cat in a

1869
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 7: box with a vile of poison.

1870
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 1: Theoretically, you don't actually do that. It's a theoretically yes.

1871
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 7: We are not we're not. We're not you know, saying

1872
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 7: that this is good to do or anything, and we

1873
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 7: don't do that. But but at that point, nobody knows

1874
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 7: whether or not the cat is taking the poison. So

1875
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 7: you don't know if the cat is alive or dead

1876
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 7: until you open the box. And I think that everyone

1877
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 7: needs to, you know, put breaks on with Drake May.

1878
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 7: We cover on for a little bit and until we

1879
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 7: really want to open it up and see what we

1880
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 7: got because this is only one week, you know, and

1881
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,799
Speaker 7: it's gonna be tough even this week without Romandre Vina,

1882
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 7: you know, and having the running game going on and

1883
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 7: all of that. So the other thing I wanted to

1884
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 7: ask you guys about is, uh, I believe there's an

1885
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 7: edge rusher in on the Eagles that we may be

1886
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 7: able to grab and sign and you know, I mean

1887
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 7: kind of help out the defense a little bit take

1888
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 7: place of Judaan.

1889
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: You talk about Sondick, and.

1890
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 7: I believe it is.

1891
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Yes, the Jets, I don't think the division viable.

1892
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 7: Whether that's uh you know what're talking about.

1893
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call, Phil, I appreciated and uh,

1894
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 3: I agree with it with his his what's what's the cat?

1895
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: Schrodinger's cat. So it's a it's a thought experiment. It's

1896
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: basically if I'm I know.

1897
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 3: He got it, he got it, I get it. It's

1898
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 3: a little premature, id to start crowning him. We're not

1899
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 3: fitting Drake may for any Red Jackets yet, but.

1900
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:26,719
Speaker 1: I feel like starting him was opening the box.

1901
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 3: Uh. I think starting him was putting him in the box, right.

1902
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: No, drafting him was putting him in the box.

1903
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 3: No, starting him was putting him in the box, because

1904
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 3: now he's in the box with the poison and we're

1905
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 3: and we're trying to figure out what we have.

1906
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: But the whole point is you're not observing it. We're

1907
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: observing Drake Mane. It's it's about observation. If I know

1908
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 1: this correctly, Okay, I got I got in trouble last

1909
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: time because I got this wrong. Like I understand the concept.

1910
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 3: This is definitely more your side of the street. I

1911
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,440
Speaker 3: have no idea what we're talking.

1912
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: About, so I would say I would guess, and people

1913
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 1: in the YouTube comments, I'm sure'll correct me.

1914
01:31:58,040 --> 01:31:59,440
Speaker 3: This is not Yankee concepts.

1915
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: Him is putting him in the box. We've now like

1916
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: opened up the box. But it's not instant. That's the difference.

1917
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: This is like an instant thing. You'd see it, yes

1918
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: or no. It's not gonna be instant with Drake.

1919
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 3: May Okay, to his last point about Hasan reddick that

1920
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 3: that's probably not happening because he's with technically with the Jets.

1921
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 3: But I do have a The trade deadline is on

1922
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 3: election day this year, November fourth, right.

1923
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 8: Day.

1924
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: I know it's that too.

1925
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 3: Other day I pulled that date out of my fifth

1926
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 3: November fifth, I was close. I do kind of have

1927
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 3: a take on on the trade deadline, and maybe I

1928
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 3: don't know if this is going to be popular. I

1929
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 3: actually think I might be in the minority here if

1930
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 3: I was the Patriots. I'm not totally out on the

1931
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 3: Patriots buying players at the deadline. The main reason why,

1932
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 3: and it's a certain specific type of player, like let

1933
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 3: me put it, let me be clear about that. They're

1934
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 3: not like I agree wholeheartedly that like DeVante Adams had

1935
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 3: made no sense for them. Amari Cooper I don't think

1936
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 3: made a ton of sense for them either. But if

1937
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 3: we get to the trade deadline, and I'm just gonna

1938
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 3: use this as an example because it's a common example.

1939
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:14,679
Speaker 3: If we get to the trade deadline, which is November fifth,

1940
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 3: so we're a couple weeks away, and the Cincinnati Bengals

1941
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,560
Speaker 3: are two and six, Yeah, and they don't feel like

1942
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 3: they're gonna be pulling out of this nosedive that they're in.

1943
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 3: They're not pulling up the plane, nose of the plane.

1944
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's like low Ki having an MVP season.

1945
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're terrible.

1946
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird.

1947
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 3: So I am not totally against the Patriots trading for

1948
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 3: T Higgins because that's not an investment for to put

1949
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 3: you over the top in twenty twenty four. That is

1950
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 3: a future investment to build this rock.

1951
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 1: So basically what the Bears did last year with was

1952
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: it Montes sweat right.

1953
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 3: Good example.

1954
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm with you as long as that comes

1955
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,679
Speaker 1: with an extension. I wouldn't during the We're gonna trade

1956
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: for now and hope he likes a year so we

1957
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:03,719
Speaker 1: can resign him in the spring.

1958
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 3: I'm talking about making an investment for the future.

1959
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to come with an ext I'm with you,

1960
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:09,719
Speaker 1: But I think they can do both.

1961
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 3: Like sure, I think this is a rare occasion where

1962
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:15,719
Speaker 3: both actually could make some sense.

1963
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, Like I actually think I know people are

1964
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,759
Speaker 1: really down on kJ Osbourne. Yeah, I actually think kJ

1965
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,600
Speaker 1: Osborne has value to a contending team because.

1966
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 3: He's an NFL receiver.

1967
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: He's not always an NFL receiver. Like you see what

1968
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: he can do when he's next to guys like Justin Jefferson,

1969
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, yeh in the coverage isn't being dictated towards him.

1970
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: That's obviously not the case. Here, even if you add

1971
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: t Higgins, that's probably not the case here. But if

1972
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: even if Minnesota has an injury, maybe they want to

1973
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: back or another one of these teams. Right, maybe you're

1974
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: not gonna tram him the Jets in the division. But

1975
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,680
Speaker 1: like if team like the Jets replacing Mike Williams or

1976
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: somebody as an injury, like I think you can get

1977
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 1: something for kJ Osborn. Maybe not gonna get top one

1978
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: hundred pick, but you get a fifth round pick that

1979
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: plays into a trade next year or something. So like

1980
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: you know, I I think both makes sense. I also

1981
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:00,600
Speaker 1: just think, you know, opening up or off spots for

1982
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: younger guys. How happy is Taekwon Thornton here right now?

1983
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1984
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 1: Probably not? Like he's getting passed over left and right.

1985
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 1: Can you just get him off the roster he gets

1986
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: to go somewhere where he's gonna play. You get even

1987
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,839
Speaker 1: if it's a conditional seventh, and then you get to elevate,

1988
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, somebody from the practice squad, or you create

1989
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 1: more snaps for somebody else. I think both makes sense.

1990
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 1: Like I would not be opposed to them looking for

1991
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: that Monteese sweat sort of trade. I'd probably only do

1992
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: it for a receiver, maybe an edge rusher.

1993
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 3: Or a tackle.

1994
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen. Yeah, in theory, but that's not.

1995
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not one hundred percent sure it's not gonna

1996
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 3: happen at tackle because this is like the pre agent thing, right,

1997
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 3: Like you look at some of those guys. I think

1998
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 3: Garrett Bowles is getting a little bit up there in age.

1999
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 3: He's like thirty two, thirty one, thirty two years old,

2000
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:47,639
Speaker 3: so maybe not him. But like in Jacksonville, Cam Robinson

2001
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 3: they're starting left tackle, is a really solid player. He's

2002
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 3: gonna be a free agent next offseason. Who knows what

2003
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 3: the Jaguars. Where the Jaguars are going.

2004
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think if I'm one of those guys,

2005
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:00,759
Speaker 1: I mean I'm hitting the market, okay.

2006
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 3: But my point being, no, in general, like we can

2007
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 3: throw out names because.

2008
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:06,679
Speaker 1: I would do it for a tackle, I just wouldn't

2009
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: count on it.

2010
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's important to put the name a name to

2011
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 3: the claim and not just like throw hot air out.

2012
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: There because you say that, like you say, oh, you know,

2013
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: maybe they trade for a tackle deadline and then we

2014
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: get a million questions about every tackle in the league.

2015
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: Remember that guy that called in and wanted them to

2016
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 1: trade for Pina Seoul. Yes, Like that's what I'm trying

2017
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 1: to say that. It's like, sure, you know, there's realistic

2018
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: conversation you can have about receivers and edge rushers. I

2019
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 1: don't think you can realistically have that. You can be

2020
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,600
Speaker 1: open to it, but I don't think you can realistically

2021
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 1: have that conversation for an edge rusher.

2022
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 3: So my point with this take though, just to put

2023
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 3: a bow on it, the Patriots should be in the

2024
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 3: talent acquisition business. Yes, and you know me, I'm a

2025
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 3: pseudo FM picks kind of guy. Yeah, I'm not touching

2026
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 3: your first or your second round pick. Those are gonna

2027
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 3: be top five to ten picks in those rounds. You're

2028
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 3: not touching those picks.

2029
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: I think. Don't you have to trade the second for Higgins?

2030
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: Though probably.

2031
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 3: Maybe? I mean he's technically a rental, Like I don't know,

2032
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 3: Maybe I would put the second round pick on the

2033
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 3: table for Higgins.

2034
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,480
Speaker 1: If you can do Higgins for the third, Like, hell, yeah.

2035
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 3: Maybe I put the second round pick. I'm not like

2036
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 3: necessarily thinking about it.

2037
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: Like this this deep, but like that you have to

2038
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 1: write if you're gonna say, well.

2039
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 3: My point is is just in general, Yeah, like we

2040
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 3: and I this is just a philosophical belief in mine.

2041
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 3: We put way too much emphasis on these draft picks

2042
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 3: sometimes and we treat them like they are this like

2043
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 3: slam dunk commodity. And I get that it's an imperfect science.

2044
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,719
Speaker 3: And like you could, I could say, you know, Yadney

2045
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 3: could justin. You could say Fred Warner right, like, you know,

2046
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 3: we could do this all day long. But the point

2047
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 3: is is that those picks are only as valuable as

2048
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 3: the player they turned into. And what we've learned here

2049
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years is that sometimes those

2050
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 3: picks end up being completely not NFL players. And if

2051
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 3: I'm the Patriots, you know, the Montes sweat trade, I

2052
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:10,719
Speaker 3: didn't even think of that as such a great example.

2053
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:12,719
Speaker 1: Like that's literally what you're describing.

2054
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 3: They should be about stacking talent on this roster, not

2055
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 3: about oh, like maybe we'll draft Jake Andrews in the

2056
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 3: fourth round next year.

2057
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:25,600
Speaker 1: So what if it's more about like I don't entirely disagree,

2058
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,759
Speaker 1: but all right, so t Higgins the receiver available to deadline? Yeah,

2059
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: what happens if like, like, all right to move your

2060
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: second for Higgins? And I get to the offseason and

2061
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf's available, or maybe Bill goes to Dallas and

2062
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: realize it's not gonna work with Ceedee Lamb and he

2063
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: becomes available, or I don't eame a receiver, right.

2064
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear what you like.

2065
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't think you can count on that, though I

2066
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 1: almost feel like he can. I know you can't, Like

2067
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: I know you can't, but.

2068
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get this DK Metcalf thing out of

2069
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 3: your head?

2070
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: Has there? Well? I to be fair, I'm kind of

2071
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 1: using DK Metcalf as a placeholder because I think he's

2072
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: the most realistic. But when was there a period in

2073
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,839
Speaker 1: the last five years in the NFL when a star

2074
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: receiver wasn't at least available and I acknowledged that they

2075
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: didn't all move?

2076
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, ultimately right like two years ago, like Hopkins was

2077
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 3: like the best receiver that ended up being available. There

2078
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 3: was no like splash wide.

2079
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess that. But like if we were

2080
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: sitting here in and we wouldn't have been because the

2081
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: team is in a different spot. But if we were

2082
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: sitting here in like I think it was what twenty

2083
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 1: twenty two, Oh no, it would have made sense, all right,

2084
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 1: they need a receiver for mac Jones. Yeah, And I

2085
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: had said, what if they trade for Tyreek Killed, you

2086
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 1: would have kicked me off the show. I understand what

2087
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: you would have kicked you and said, what are you

2088
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: talking about? That is the top five most untouchable player.

2089
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 3: But isn't that the point that we're both Like, we're

2090
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 3: both kind of making the same point, because like my

2091
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 3: whole thing is is that I just wouldn't overvalue the

2092
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 3: picks because because right now the Patriots don't need draft picks,

2093
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 3: they need Town.

2094
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 1: So I would I I'm agreeing with you on that, Like,

2095
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm not against trading it when it was twenty two

2096
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,679
Speaker 1: that he'll get traded. I guess my point is more,

2097
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm not against trading the pick for a player. I'm

2098
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:20,000
Speaker 1: totally on board with that. Yeah, you might have more options,

2099
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: Like once you trade that pick, that's it. That's the

2100
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 1: player you end up with. And if it's t Higgins

2101
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 1: or nobody at the deadline, and then you get to

2102
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: the offseason and there's four or five guys available to

2103
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: you that are better than Higgins, like it's well, you know,

2104
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 1: we rush to make the move and we missed out.

2105
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: On a better player. I'm not against that. Now if

2106
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 1: you can do it for a third. Now, now maybe

2107
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 1: you get Higgins for a third, and then you do

2108
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 1: go out and get DK Metcalf for a second, and

2109
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 1: now you're really I mean, you probably get it.

2110
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 3: But like if you talk about it from Cincinnati's perspective,

2111
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 3: just to play out the T Higgins thing. But again,

2112
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 3: I just like, philosophically, I just really believe strongly that

2113
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 3: you don't pass up opportunities to bring in talented.

2114
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:04,599
Speaker 1: So okay, so this is where we're going to disagree.

2115
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with trading the pick. I believe philosophically

2116
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 1: there's always more talent available in the offseason. Like I

2117
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 1: am not a huge fan of like big It is

2118
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of across all.

2119
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 3: But the one difference about the off season though, right

2120
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:24,160
Speaker 3: is that the pool of teams that have the flexibility

2121
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 3: now to make that type of move increases. And I

2122
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 3: think the one situation that the Patriots are in right

2123
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 3: now is that it's hard to convince people to come.

2124
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 1: So what I would say is there are the teams

2125
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 1: that can make that move, but the Patriots pick is

2126
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: probably gonna be higher than most of those teams.

2127
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:40,640
Speaker 3: But this is all true, just all the things in

2128
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 3: the last off.

2129
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,440
Speaker 1: No, no, but it's not let me finish. The Patriots

2130
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 1: pick is gonna be hired in most teams. You get

2131
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 1: more money to offer, more money to offer than most teams.

2132
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 1: All right, you want what changed your guy? This was

2133
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 1: the whole thing about play the kid.

2134
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 3: But my guy could he could be great. We're on

2135
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 3: his own without any trades or out any moves or

2136
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 3: any anything like that. But you're it's probably still gonna

2137
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 3: be what it was on Sunday, where there's gonna be

2138
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 3: some ups and there's gonna be some day.

2139
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 1: I think you can still sell a receiver on what

2140
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 1: you saw on Sunday.

2141
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 3: I agree, but I'm biased, Like I think the kid's awesome.

2142
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 3: So like I'm biased, right, but like I just I

2143
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 3: just am saying that I wouldn't I wouldn't mind that.

2144
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 3: And I also think that there's value, Like, yes, if

2145
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 3: they traded for a guy like t Higgins at the deadline,

2146
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 3: are they all of a sudden get to rattle off

2147
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 3: like six or whatever, how many maybe weeks they're left,

2148
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 3: you know, eight straight wins to end the season. No,

2149
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 3: so you're not gonna completely change the course of your

2150
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 3: franchise with that move. But there's value in well, now

2151
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 3: we have T Higgins for the next four years on

2152
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 3: this team because we signed him to a mega extension

2153
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 3: after doing this trade. Now we maybe have some momentum

2154
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 3: going into your two of Drake may because he has

2155
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 3: T Higgins for the second half of you or one,

2156
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, like the offense looks like

2157
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 3: a legit offense and we're going into your two with

2158
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 3: maybe we win three out of the last six or

2159
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 3: four out of the last six, or whatever the case

2160
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 3: may be. I just I don't necessarily I hear a

2161
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 3: lot of and this is why I brought it up

2162
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 3: that like they should just start selling all their players,

2163
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 3: And I agree with you that maybe it could be

2164
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 3: in the middle, like a little bit sell on the margins.

2165
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:28,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't move. I've seen people talk about moving like

2166
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:35,719
Speaker 1: I like Andre Stevenson, Hunter, Henry No. We've seen people

2167
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 1: say like like Devon got Like if you want to,

2168
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that.

2169
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to, you know, pick on anybody

2170
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 3: in particular, but like if you wanted to trade right then.

2171
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: Fine, josh Uch, I'll use Taekwon Thornton because we've heard

2172
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 1: his name in trade rumors, right, you know, don't trade

2173
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 1: any of the core guys. But yeah, that's but I

2174
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I like, get to the off

2175
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 1: season and I think you'll have more options, and I

2176
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:04,719
Speaker 1: think that's something. Now people are, oh, you're just excusing

2177
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 1: them not making yal know, if they don't make the

2178
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 1: move this offseason, I'm gonna be upset.

2179
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 3: But like my fear about move and then we can

2180
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 3: we should move on. But my fear about waiting until

2181
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 3: the off season is that you increase the pool of

2182
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 3: teams that that can get involved. And he's yet you

2183
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 3: we had this issue with Calvin Ridley, they had this

2184
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 3: issue with Brandon Nyuk, and maybe Drake May does enough

2185
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 3: that it changes all of that. But you can have

2186
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 3: the highest draft pick, you can have the most money. Yeah,

2187
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 3: and Brandon Ayyuk can give you two birds and say

2188
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 3: I'm not coming here.

2189
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,479
Speaker 1: What if? But then, like, what's stopping T Higgins from

2190
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 1: doing that? Now? I don't think that changes.

2191
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't think it necessarily because if you for TI Higgins.

2192
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, you can't trade for T Higgins without

2193
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: signing him to an extension.

2194
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it necessarily changes for T. Higgins, but

2195
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 3: if the Bengals want to sell T Higgins in season,

2196
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 3: there's fewer teams that can legitimately make that move, like logistically, but.

2197
01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 1: If Higgins comes to you and says, well, I wan't

2198
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:00,120
Speaker 1: sign an extension.

2199
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 3: Again, I just think it's like, I just think that

2200
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 3: it could be easier because the amount of teams that

2201
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 3: have the money and the flexibility.

2202
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: I think better because he's going to look at it

2203
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:11,680
Speaker 1: and say, no, I want to hit the market. I

2204
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,520
Speaker 1: want I want people bidding for me. I want a competition.

2205
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 1: I want to drive the price up.

2206
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 3: Okay, but if you offer him thirty million dollars a year,

2207
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 3: then you're not going to get a better price than that.

2208
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,639
Speaker 1: Is what they want of These guys just want They

2209
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: just want to see it. They want the bidding more.

2210
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 1: They want to be wooed.

2211
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 3: All right.

2212
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of on the same page where

2213
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,799
Speaker 1: it's yeah, this is a philosophical yeah, but I wouldn't

2214
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 1: be upset if they traded for Higgins.

2215
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the rest of these calls.

2216
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:39,879
Speaker 3: John is in Boston. What's up, John, Hey.

2217
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 7: How's it going.

2218
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 6: Hey, I just want to ask about stilting his cat. Okay, now,

2219
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 6: I'm just kidding that's a joke. But what I actually

2220
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 6: want to ask about was, I've been really disappointed by

2221
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 6: what I've seen in Michael Lenhu. I think when you're

2222
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 6: paying a guard eighteen million dollars a year, you.

2223
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 2: He's got it.

2224
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:04,800
Speaker 6: Especially when he's two hundred and fifty pounds. He has

2225
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 6: to be an impact run blocker where you know that

2226
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 6: you run it behind that guy, you're gonna be able

2227
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 6: to get three yards every time. And I just haven't

2228
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:15,560
Speaker 6: seen that from him, And I think that he's a

2229
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:17,640
Speaker 6: guy that just deserves a lot more criticism. And I

2230
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 6: just wanted to hear what you guys thought about that.

2231
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:22,720
Speaker 3: Thanks for the calle, John. I didn't even hear what

2232
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 3: he said. Was the first thing that he Oh, okay, John,

2233
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 3: thanks for the call. Yeah, I agree. I agree with

2234
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,879
Speaker 3: I've had him on the downs a couple of times recently,

2235
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 3: had him on the downs last week because I thought

2236
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 3: he gave up pressure on the Jalen Polk touchdown. That

2237
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 3: ever was I agree, Like, I don't think he's been

2238
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 3: an eighteen nineteen million dollar a year player right now.

2239
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 1: He hasn't I do put some of it on the

2240
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 1: coaching staff, because all right, so they signed him as a.

2241
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 3: Tackle, they keep moving.

2242
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 1: He spends the whole offseason at tackle, comes into camp,

2243
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 1: gets moved to guard, then later in camp he gets

2244
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:56,679
Speaker 1: moved to tackle, then he goes back inside to guard,

2245
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:58,679
Speaker 1: and now this week he's probably going back outside tackle.

2246
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 1: Like he can't comfort anywhere, he can't build any chemistry

2247
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:03,680
Speaker 1: with anybody, he can't get in a rhythm. So like

2248
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,559
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's been good. I just and and

2249
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 1: you may have to write this season off. It may

2250
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: be too much at this point, but like, yeah, next

2251
01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 1: year and this is gonna be what year six of

2252
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 1: me saying this, can we please please pick a position

2253
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 1: for Mike and WNU and leave them there?

2254
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 3: But the problem that the reason why this is happening,

2255
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 3: and I'm not you're right, like I'm not arguing.

2256
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:25,599
Speaker 1: With you, Oh is happening.

2257
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 3: But the reason why this is happening is because they

2258
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 3: don't have anybody options, right, so.

2259
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 1: They won't address the tackle. Oh no, I agree with you. Yeah,

2260
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 1: So all right, so let me reface that. Can we

2261
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 1: please next year make sure that the tackle position is set, right,

2262
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 1: so you can put Mike on WINU at guard and

2263
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: leave them there. Yeah, is that better? Okay, yes, that's

2264
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 1: but like, can we create a situation in which Mike

2265
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 1: and WNU doesn't become the the last resort savior for

2266
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:57,800
Speaker 1: the offensive line and has to you know, boomerang back

2267
01:47:57,840 --> 01:47:58,919
Speaker 1: and forth between positions.

2268
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the I agree with you that he

2269
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 3: deserves some grace because of that. Yeah, because a lot

2270
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 3: of the issues that I'm seeing with him at guard

2271
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 3: are like he's kind of caught between playing guard like

2272
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 3: tackle almost where like with guard, everything happens a lot

2273
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 3: faster on the inside, so guys are on you quicker.

2274
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 3: You know, you're not out in as much space, right,

2275
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 3: So like when that happens, you know, he's getting guys

2276
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 3: are getting into his chest, and he's getting on skates

2277
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 3: a little bit at times playing guard because he's like,

2278
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 3: oh crap, Like this is happening a lot faster in

2279
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 3: here right than it does out there, So week to

2280
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 3: week it changes. You know, He's talked to us a

2281
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,639
Speaker 3: few times over the course of the year, and that's

2282
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 3: always his thing. I don't care if it's tackle, right

2283
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 3: tackle or right guard. Wherever they feel like I'm my

2284
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:46,679
Speaker 3: best or that is best for the team. I'm willing

2285
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 3: to do. He just wants it to be one position.

2286
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 3: He doesn't want it to be keep being this inside

2287
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 3: outside inside outside, brought hole. Yeah, like he's a utility man.

2288
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:58,559
Speaker 3: It's a good way of putting it, all right. Aaron

2289
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 3: is in Connecticut. What's up, Aaron? Aaron? Aaron going once?

2290
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 3: All right, call us back. I don't think he's there.

2291
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 3: Kendall is in North Carolina. What's up Kendall?

2292
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 9: Hey, what's going on?

2293
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 1: God? Hey y'all doing good?

2294
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:14,599
Speaker 3: Hey?

2295
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 9: I wanted to get asked about the Jaguars. Man, how

2296
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 9: do you think I'm thick with the whole defense matches

2297
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 9: up to get his Jaguars? I know they are what

2298
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 9: one and five and Tiva Lawrence. I don't think he's

2299
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 9: played that bad, but which I'll think about the matchup

2300
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 9: to get those receivers in tight end.

2301
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,599
Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for the call. Ken. I'm glad you put

2302
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 3: us on the Jaguars because I did want to do

2303
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 3: that before we wrapped up the show. Uh, he asked

2304
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 3: about the defense, so we can start there. Uh this

2305
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 3: to me, first of all, I just want to say

2306
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 3: I watched her last two games on film, and I

2307
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 3: think Trevor Horns is playing fine. Look, I really don't

2308
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 3: think he's the issue.

2309
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 1: He was reacting to pressure a little weird for a

2310
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 1: couple of games. But besides that, yeah, he's.

2311
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 3: Been He doesn't look he doesn't look like sped up

2312
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 3: or broken his mechanics. His lower half is still excellent

2313
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 3: like it always has been.

2314
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: It had what was it five passes six passes dropped

2315
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 1: in the end zone last.

2316
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 3: Week they had three passes dropped.

2317
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:09,760
Speaker 1: In the end zone on the same drive, the same drive. Yeah,

2318
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 1: you know that, and then it was like five or

2319
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:11,599
Speaker 1: six total.

2320
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 3: So, uh, he's second has his receivers have dropped the

2321
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 3: second most passes of any quarterback in the league. He

2322
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,080
Speaker 3: has fourteen drops on the season already in six games.

2323
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 3: I think he's playing great. I really do. In terms

2324
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 3: of matchups, and I wrote game plan today. It's up

2325
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 3: on Patriots dot com. I'm sure your previous coming if

2326
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 3: it's not up already tomorrow morning. The biggest thing I

2327
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 3: look at with matchups is I actually kind of feel

2328
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 3: like this is one of those games where the outside receivers,

2329
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 3: you know, Kirk is kind of his own thing. Uh,

2330
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 3: But Davis and Brian Thomas Junior BTJ are pretty similar,

2331
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 3: Like their target sharers are similar, their rout trees are similar. Uh,

2332
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 3: they're both vertical deep threats down the field. Like I

2333
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 3: don't My point is is, I don't necessarily know if

2334
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:00,640
Speaker 3: this is a big shadow game, like you have to

2335
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 3: put Christian Gonzalez on player X, like you have to

2336
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 3: put Christianganzalez on Stefan Diggs, or you have to put

2337
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 3: Christian Gonzalez on you know, Tyreek Hill right Like this

2338
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 3: to me feels like those two guys and I obviously

2339
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,639
Speaker 3: BTJ has a higher ceiling just because he's a rookie,

2340
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 3: but they're pretty redundant as of right now of who

2341
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:23,600
Speaker 3: they are. Christian Kirk in the slot worries me a

2342
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 3: little bit because he's like one of those thicker like

2343
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 3: vertical type of slot receivers, Like he's not like a

2344
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas jitterbug type of slot. But I don't necessarily

2345
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:34,640
Speaker 3: look at this as a game where they're going to

2346
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 3: have corners shadow or travel with specific receivers lasting on

2347
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 3: the Jaguars offense. This is a vertical based passing game.

2348
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 3: This is not Doug Peterson with the Philadelphia Eagles in

2349
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. Maybe a little bit of the Bengals, maybe

2350
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 3: a little bit, but they are a bombs away offense.

2351
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence leads the league and deep pass attempts, deep

2352
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 3: pass completions. He's fourth in the league in air yards

2353
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,720
Speaker 3: per past attempt. Like, they are bombing the ball to

2354
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 3: those receivers, as they probably should with that type of group.

2355
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 3: So big plays is a problem. They are explosive offense.

2356
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 3: They've been wildly inconsistent. They've been shooting themselves in the

2357
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 3: foot left and right, you know, but they are a

2358
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 3: big play offense.

2359
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:24,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And that's I mentioned the Bengals because again,

2360
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 1: like they forced the Bengals to kind of just nicklin

2361
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 1: dine their way down the field and and the Bengals

2362
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 1: struggle to do it. Yeah. So I think a similar

2363
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 1: philosophical approach applies in this game.

2364
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 3: Do you Patriots offense against the Jaguars defense? I hate

2365
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 3: to like put a ton of expectations on a rookie

2366
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 3: quarterback in his second career start, but I would be

2367
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 3: disappointed if that Patriots don't put up some points in

2368
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 3: this game. This is a really, really really bad Jaguars defense,

2369
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 3: like a historically bad Jaguars defense. They're giving up the

2370
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 3: most passing yards in the league, two eighty passing yards

2371
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 3: a game. They are thirty second in DVA. They're thirty

2372
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 3: second in DVA against the pass, They're thirtieth in play

2373
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:12,120
Speaker 3: action against the pass. They're also twenty eighth in the

2374
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:16,240
Speaker 3: league and yards allowed on scrambles right Like, they've given

2375
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 3: up a ton to mobile quarterbacks. Caleb Williams had a

2376
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 3: couple big runs last week against them in London. This

2377
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 3: is a really, really vulnerable Jags pass defense. And this,

2378
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 3: to me, is a game if you're the Patriots and

2379
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:34,080
Speaker 3: Drake May who just played a really good Houston defense

2380
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 3: last week in his first career start, this is one

2381
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,760
Speaker 3: where I hope he's able to build some true, real confidence,

2382
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 3: Like he should go out there. He puts up two

2383
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 3: hundred and forty and three touchdowns against Houston, he should

2384
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:46,600
Speaker 3: be able to put up three hundred yards against this

2385
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 3: Jaguars defense. I don't even know if they're playing for

2386
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:51,639
Speaker 3: their coaches anymore. Also, like that's a piece of it too.

2387
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are calling for Doug

2388
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:57,879
Speaker 3: Peterson's head in Jacksonville, like Ryan Nielsen, their defensive coordinator.

2389
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:59,719
Speaker 3: I also think is kind of on the hot seat.

2390
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,840
Speaker 3: If they don't fire Peterson, that might be the move, right,

2391
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:05,439
Speaker 3: Like somebody has to pay for this. H They are

2392
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 3: thirty second in the league right now and pretty much

2393
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 3: every metric on defense.

2394
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna sound a little weird. I

2395
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: think roster wise, not schematically. Roster wise, they're similar to

2396
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: Houston in that if you can keep them from getting

2397
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:21,240
Speaker 1: in the quarterback, you're going to be able to throw

2398
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 1: on them. And it's you know, Will Anderson, Denil Hunter excellent,

2399
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: like Trayvon Walker is good. They have the best Josh

2400
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 1: Allen in the league.

2401
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 3: Oh God, I know you're gonna say that.

2402
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 1: So, like it comes down to the tackles again, and

2403
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 1: like I guess I should say Josh Heines Allen chadn't

2404
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 1: want to respect to change his name, but yeah, he

2405
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't have had to change his name. The other guy, what's

2406
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:43,360
Speaker 1: the quote from Office Space? Why should I change my name?

2407
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 1: He's the one who sucks. Yeah, But Josh Heines, Allen,

2408
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, anybody on that defense stand out t Beside

2409
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 1: those two guys. I remember we were bad big Chad

2410
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 1: Mouma guys in the draft. Yeah, Chad moom is not

2411
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 1: gonna win the Jags this game, right.

2412
01:54:58,440 --> 01:55:01,520
Speaker 3: No, No, it's really it's really those two guys. They

2413
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 3: might be getting Tyson Campbell backed or they're starting corner.

2414
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:08,240
Speaker 3: And we had a Jags beat writer on the playbook

2415
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 3: yesterday and he mentioned that they're hoping to get him

2416
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:14,280
Speaker 3: back this week. He's like, there their number one corner

2417
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 3: on the sun side. Yeah, but they are another one

2418
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:22,520
Speaker 3: of those teams two that plays like really a safety.

2419
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 3: Darnell Savage, Yeah, plays the nickel for their defense, just

2420
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 3: like Jalen Petree plays the nickel for Houston. And what

2421
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:33,200
Speaker 3: did pop Douglas due to Jalen Petrie? So again, yes,

2422
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 3: for me, there's so like they're giving up the highest

2423
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 3: passer rating in the league to slot receivers right now.

2424
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:42,640
Speaker 3: Like this matchup is so juicy, Like there's so many

2425
01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:44,960
Speaker 3: opportunities for the Patriots offense in this game.

2426
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 1: So again, like it's just a matter of keeping Alan

2427
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 1: and Walker off. Yeah, don't let them Mart, that's it. Yeah,

2428
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 1: because there's nobody in the secondary, there's no linebacker that's

2429
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna like, you know, make like life tough for you.

2430
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 1: It's literally just those two guys.

2431
01:55:57,680 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they play a lot of cover too, Like

2432
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 3: that's their bread and butter coverages, cover two zone. So

2433
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,320
Speaker 3: it's a big week forget those cover two beaters, right,

2434
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 3: Like he dust those things off. They play a lot

2435
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,920
Speaker 3: of man on third down, like everybody does. They have

2436
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:12,640
Speaker 3: two really good edge rushers. I wouldn't say, yeah, they

2437
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 3: have one really good one and Josh Heinz Allen. He's

2438
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 3: a really good player. Trayvon Walker is good. I don't

2439
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 3: think he's great.

2440
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker's helped playing across from Allen, but like he's

2441
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 1: a good player.

2442
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's good.

2443
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 1: He's the best pass rusher on the Patriots right now.

2444
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's and he's a freak athlete. But you know,

2445
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 3: I said this the other day on PU. So, first

2446
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 3: of all, he has five sacks on the year. Three

2447
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 3: of them came in one game against the Colts and

2448
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:39,400
Speaker 3: the other two came into another game. So he has

2449
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,520
Speaker 3: four games with no production basically in two games with

2450
01:56:42,680 --> 01:56:45,880
Speaker 3: really good production. So he's capable of taking over a game,

2451
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 3: but he's also capable of disappearing, right, So there's a

2452
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 3: double edged sword there. With him. I said this on

2453
01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 3: PU and I still feel the same way. Trayvon Walker,

2454
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:59,400
Speaker 3: to me, is the exact example of what you don't

2455
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 3: want to happen to the Patriots, which is you have

2456
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:04,520
Speaker 3: the number one overall pick in the draft. It's not

2457
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 3: a quarterback draft, but you have a quarterback, So nobody

2458
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 3: wants the number one pick, right, and they kind of

2459
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,080
Speaker 3: got Now, they probably made the wrong pick. They probably

2460
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 3: should have taken Aiden Hutchinson if they were gonna go

2461
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 3: pass rusher.

2462
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:15,760
Speaker 1: Was that two?

2463
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they took they so Aiden Hutchinson and Sauce

2464
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 3: Gardner in that draft, and they took Trayvon Walker, if

2465
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 3: I have it.

2466
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 1: Right, Also Thibodeau too. Some people thought, yeah, so.

2467
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 3: They they take Trayvon Walker because he was the toolsy,

2468
01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:34,320
Speaker 3: high ceiling, freak athlete, all that kind of stuff. He's

2469
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:37,320
Speaker 3: been okay for them, but he hasn't in my opinion,

2470
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 3: lived up to a number first No.

2471
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:42,839
Speaker 1: Uh and so first round pick he's been a first round.

2472
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like I'm not trying to trash on like,

2473
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:46,680
Speaker 3: but he just hasn't been a number one overall pick.

2474
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 3: And uh, you look at it and in hindsight, like

2475
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 3: if that had been a quarterback draft. They already have

2476
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:56,280
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence on their roster in Jacksonville, So they're trading

2477
01:57:57,120 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 3: for a haul you know they're getting. They're trading out

2478
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 3: of that pick, and somebody is drafting the quarterback number

2479
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 3: one overall.

2480
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm surprised nobody's dumb enough to move up for Kenny Pikett.

2481
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: Nobody was for once they got it. For once, they

2482
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:09,880
Speaker 1: got it.

2483
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 3: If you're a Patriots fan, like, that's the worst case

2484
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:14,280
Speaker 3: scenario to me is you get stuck with the number

2485
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 3: one overall pick in a non quarterback year when you

2486
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 3: don't need a quarterback. H So we say it all

2487
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 3: the time, but Shadora Sanders Ward right in Miami, cam Ward, like,

2488
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 3: we all should be fans of those j.

2489
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:28,640
Speaker 1: Carson back.

2490
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 3: Yep, let's take these calls. Tim Is in Virginia. What's up? Tim?

2491
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:37,040
Speaker 8: Hey?

2492
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 3: How you guys doing Hey good?

2493
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:41,800
Speaker 4: I love to show you guys are my favorite writers

2494
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 4: as long.

2495
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:44,400
Speaker 3: As thank you much appreciate that.

2496
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 4: I know we don't want to talk about this, but

2497
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:50,520
Speaker 4: there is a likelihood we may be top three pick,

2498
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:55,600
Speaker 4: and for starters, I would love for the offense to

2499
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 4: show some sort of spark like I want to go

2500
01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 4: like the third overall pick, but in a way like

2501
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:07,440
Speaker 4: let's say our offense is like we're losing games, but

2502
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 4: not like by a large margin, Like our offense is

2503
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:13,320
Speaker 4: going off, but the defense may be like letting us

2504
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:17,080
Speaker 4: down towards the end to like have wide receivers or

2505
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 4: people that actually want to come to New England. But

2506
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 4: here's a question. I don't want to take too much

2507
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 4: of your time. If we had the number one pick,

2508
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 4: who would you pick? And that's the question.

2509
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 3: Thank you guys, Thanks Tim, that's a good question. I

2510
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:33,720
Speaker 3: feel like we're going to be answering that question a

2511
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,840
Speaker 3: lot in a couple of months. Uh, if they have

2512
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:39,880
Speaker 3: the number one pick, or let's just say the pick

2513
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:41,720
Speaker 3: of the of the of the board, like you know,

2514
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 3: there's three to one, whatever.

2515
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:47,640
Speaker 1: They're they're they're they're they're either picking like third or

2516
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:49,600
Speaker 1: they're trading down to take the first non quarters.

2517
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I feel really strongly about the fact that

2518
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:57,919
Speaker 3: trade down is the best option in my opinion.

2519
01:59:58,120 --> 01:59:59,720
Speaker 1: If it's at one, yeah, if they end up at

2520
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 1: like four or five, you might need a stay, right.

2521
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:04,880
Speaker 3: If they're at one or two, yeah, I'm trading down. Yep.

2522
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:08,240
Speaker 3: I'm with you, and I'm hoping. I've thought about this

2523
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 3: the other day. I would love it if they could

2524
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:14,760
Speaker 3: do a Bears trade down or a player like Dj

2525
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:17,840
Speaker 3: Moore is also in the package, right, so it's picks

2526
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:20,680
Speaker 3: and a player that had a position. Indeed, maybe it's

2527
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 3: not wide receiver as much as we'd all love that.

2528
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:25,320
Speaker 3: Maybe it's an edge rusher. Maybe it's a tackle, like,

2529
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:26,760
Speaker 3: probably not a tackle, So let's.

2530
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 1: Go edge rusher, edge rusher, corner.

2531
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 3: Wide receiver, one of those spots. I love it. I

2532
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:34,040
Speaker 3: think that was so smart by the Bears to instead

2533
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:37,160
Speaker 3: of taking like another pick, you know, day two pick

2534
02:00:37,240 --> 02:00:40,040
Speaker 3: or something like that, give us Dj Moore instead. Great

2535
02:00:40,040 --> 02:00:42,120
Speaker 3: way to help your young quarterback. It didn't work with

2536
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 3: Justin Fields, but it's gonna work with Kleb, you know. Like,

2537
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,840
Speaker 3: great job by them on that trade. So if their

2538
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 3: patriots are one one, I'm trying to trade that pick

2539
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:51,960
Speaker 3: as fast as I can for a hall. Would you

2540
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:53,640
Speaker 3: trying to get a pick in a player first?

2541
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 1: Would Would you do it if it means and we

2542
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 1: both want them to take a tackle?

2543
02:00:57,920 --> 02:00:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2544
02:00:58,280 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 1: Would you do it if it means you don't get

2545
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:03,600
Speaker 1: your choice of the tackles uh, and maybe too soon

2546
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:04,320
Speaker 1: for you to answer that.

2547
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I would have to well, you know really

2548
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:09,240
Speaker 3: because if you're an opinion like if if right now,

2549
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 3: I kind of feel and I know there's all this

2550
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:13,280
Speaker 3: discourse about if their tackles are guards.

2551
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 1: Their tackles they're banks of tackles. Campbell what banks at tackle?

2552
02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:19,320
Speaker 1: But let's just assume they're both tackles. I think right

2553
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,560
Speaker 1: now it's kind of like it's a it's almost like

2554
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:25,280
Speaker 1: a Drake Major and Daniels situation. So I'm not necessarily

2555
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:27,360
Speaker 1: too worried about it if you're because the reason I

2556
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 1: asked this because if you're getting that player right, the

2557
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:33,000
Speaker 1: Bears traded down from one to nine, Yeah, one of

2558
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:35,240
Speaker 1: these tackles is gonna go five, So you're and maybe

2559
02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:38,120
Speaker 1: you move back up, maybe you do what was it Miami,

2560
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:40,160
Speaker 1: right that traded down from three to twelve and then

2561
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:43,080
Speaker 1: back up to six. Yeah in the in the uh.

2562
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:45,880
Speaker 3: It sounds right. I think just Houston did that as well.

2563
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 3: Houston all right, but like Arizon, it was Arizona that

2564
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:49,880
Speaker 3: did it. Sorry, I didn't know.

2565
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the the.

2566
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:53,600
Speaker 3: Arizona did it with Paris Johnson.

2567
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:56,960
Speaker 1: The Trey Lancier. The Niners moved up to three with

2568
02:01:57,560 --> 02:01:59,400
Speaker 1: was he the Eagles or the Dolphins? And then those

2569
02:01:59,480 --> 02:02:01,600
Speaker 1: Doves made it another Yeah, so they went from three

2570
02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:04,120
Speaker 1: to twelve and then from twelve to six. But the

2571
02:02:04,160 --> 02:02:06,360
Speaker 1: point being, like for me, I think it has to

2572
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:09,600
Speaker 1: be a tackle. I'm actually leaning more Calvin Banks now

2573
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 1: and it's not even because of the arm lank thing.

2574
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:14,160
Speaker 1: Will Campbell has a little bit of a penalty problem

2575
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:17,600
Speaker 1: right now for this team. It wears me a little

2576
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:20,320
Speaker 1: bit the way they've been committing penalties. A lot of

2577
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:22,200
Speaker 1: ball have to be played. I still reserve the chance

2578
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:25,480
Speaker 1: to change my mind, but I do want at some

2579
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:30,080
Speaker 1: point you got to watch ursery and because maybe that

2580
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:33,240
Speaker 1: puts Tech McMillan and play for you. But Calvin Banks,

2581
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:35,120
Speaker 1: I'll take Will Campbell. I wouldn't be mad. I think

2582
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:37,839
Speaker 1: they're both tackles too. I know it's coming from Brugler

2583
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:41,080
Speaker 1: who said that they're both guards. Like I don't want

2584
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:42,880
Speaker 1: to say the draft guys, because we're the draft guys.

2585
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:47,560
Speaker 1: Like everybody said, there's a certain point where every tackle

2586
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:51,240
Speaker 1: is a guard. And then I've got to go back.

2587
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:53,040
Speaker 1: This is like a homework assignment for me for the

2588
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:55,920
Speaker 1: bye week. Who are the other tackles that were called

2589
02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:58,360
Speaker 1: guards initially? Because there's some really good I don't remember

2590
02:02:58,360 --> 02:02:59,320
Speaker 1: the names off the top of my head, but I

2591
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:01,000
Speaker 1: know there's some really good tackles on that list.

2592
02:03:01,200 --> 02:03:05,280
Speaker 3: It's one of my biggest pet peeves of draft season. Yeah,

2593
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:08,720
Speaker 3: is hearing the discourse of he's a guard, he's a guard,

2594
02:03:08,760 --> 02:03:12,440
Speaker 3: he's a guard, he's guard, he's guard. Like in certain instances,

2595
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 3: I can hear what you're saying, Skaransky, I think that

2596
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:20,680
Speaker 3: was fair because his arms are I think are below

2597
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:23,080
Speaker 3: thirty two and a half. They're like close to thirty two.

2598
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:29,840
Speaker 1: I want people last year saying Ah was a guard, Yeah,

2599
02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:32,440
Speaker 1: because he wasn't experienced enough. There were people saying Alt

2600
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:34,040
Speaker 1: was a guard because he wasn't physical enough.

2601
02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's just every single time that there's a

2602
02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:41,880
Speaker 3: prospect unless he is literally Joe Thomas reincarnated, we start talking.

2603
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:46,800
Speaker 3: We started talking last year and we started talking about that,

2604
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:50,480
Speaker 3: that he's a guard. Yeah, it drives me up a wall. Uh,

2605
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:54,360
Speaker 3: the offensive line people you talked to, not not the

2606
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:56,640
Speaker 3: draft people. I'm not picking on the draft people, by

2607
02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:59,160
Speaker 3: the way, but not like the draft analysts, but like

2608
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:01,800
Speaker 3: you know, the people actually study the film of the

2609
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:04,960
Speaker 3: offensive line think that it's absolutely nuts that we're talking

2610
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:08,040
Speaker 3: about these two guys, especially Calvin Banks, because he checks

2611
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:11,840
Speaker 3: all the measurables as potentially moving inside. Look, it's the

2612
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:14,480
Speaker 3: easiest cop out, like, oh yeah, like he's not gonna

2613
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:16,280
Speaker 3: make it a tackle, so we'll make him a guard. Like,

2614
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:17,600
Speaker 3: it's such an easy cop out.

2615
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:19,440
Speaker 1: And for the people, well, and also like for the

2616
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 1: people who want the Patriots to draft a wide receiver,

2617
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:24,440
Speaker 1: it's the way to justify it. Yeah, you might just

2618
02:04:24,520 --> 02:04:27,560
Speaker 1: have to eat your vegetables. By the way, for Banks,

2619
02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:31,120
Speaker 1: you talk about the film people, the college football film people,

2620
02:04:31,200 --> 02:04:36,440
Speaker 1: so they have no stake in what position Calvin Banks

2621
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:38,040
Speaker 1: is going to end up playing. They watch film of

2622
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:40,880
Speaker 1: the college teams. They go off of that. A lot

2623
02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 1: of them have said these two tackles because Texas right

2624
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:48,400
Speaker 1: tackles also top fifty pick Cameron Williams. They said this

2625
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:51,080
Speaker 1: might be the greatest offensive line, greatest tackle combination of

2626
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:53,840
Speaker 1: Texas history, which is saying something, Yeah, you're not gonna

2627
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:56,000
Speaker 1: say that about a guy who's playing guard. I know

2628
02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:56,840
Speaker 1: we got one call off.

2629
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that I got it on the busy, all right,

2630
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:01,480
Speaker 3: you're wrapping it up for us.

2631
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:05,320
Speaker 8: What's up, Jose Hi, I have a question of the

2632
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:10,360
Speaker 8: current roster, if and when Cole Strange and Kittie Wallace

2633
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:14,480
Speaker 8: come back, and I'm throwing in Leyden robertson what does

2634
02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:18,760
Speaker 8: the what would be your best offensive line if you

2635
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:22,040
Speaker 8: had all those guys available? And one more thing, this

2636
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:24,240
Speaker 8: is this is talking about what you were talking about

2637
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 8: in the draft. If the Patriots don't trade down and

2638
02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:30,680
Speaker 8: then trade back up into the first round to get

2639
02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:35,080
Speaker 8: a combination of either two tackles or a tackle and

2640
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:38,200
Speaker 8: a wide receiver, I will lose my mind. That's it.

2641
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:38,800
Speaker 8: Thank you.

2642
02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:41,120
Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, Jose to the first one on

2643
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:44,240
Speaker 3: Cole Strange. I think there's a real chance at center. Yeah,

2644
02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:46,480
Speaker 3: I think there's a really really good chance at center.

2645
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:48,520
Speaker 1: We'll see what Ben Brown does here the next few weeks.

2646
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. They I hate to say that they have a

2647
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:55,320
Speaker 3: logjam at guard because the offensive line just hasn't been

2648
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 3: good enough like that. They kind of do that if

2649
02:05:57,160 --> 02:06:00,320
Speaker 3: that feels like a compliment, you know, they kind of

2650
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:02,200
Speaker 3: have a log jam at guard. I mean like guys

2651
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:04,720
Speaker 3: like Citysow and Leidon Robinson haven't been playing, and those

2652
02:06:04,720 --> 02:06:07,800
Speaker 3: two guys I think have NFL futures as starters in

2653
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:11,600
Speaker 3: the league on the interior. So that's tough for Cole Strange.

2654
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:15,200
Speaker 3: They really, this coaching staff really really likes Michael Jordan

2655
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:18,400
Speaker 3: because he's really consistent. He's not a game changing guard

2656
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:20,400
Speaker 3: by any stretch of the imagination, but he doesn't have

2657
02:06:20,440 --> 02:06:23,040
Speaker 3: any glaring errors to his game either, and he's just

2658
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:25,480
Speaker 3: really steady, and that's something that they need right now.

2659
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,720
Speaker 3: So it's hard, like, it's hard to find a path

2660
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:32,760
Speaker 3: especially if on when he is really trying to play inside,

2661
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:35,440
Speaker 3: it's hard to find a path for Cole Strange. Isn't center,

2662
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:38,840
Speaker 3: Like they're they're probably not gonna take Michael Jordan off

2663
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:42,400
Speaker 3: the field right now unless he gets hurt. Right guard.

2664
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 3: Cole Strange has never really played right guard. It's not

2665
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:47,880
Speaker 3: like he's probably played more center frankly than he's played

2666
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:51,200
Speaker 3: right guard. So I look at Cole Strange as the center.

2667
02:06:52,360 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 3: I think we feel the same way on that one.

2668
02:06:54,280 --> 02:06:58,560
Speaker 3: And then the second question about the draft, I hear

2669
02:06:58,640 --> 02:07:02,520
Speaker 3: everybody I would say that free agency and not let's

2670
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:04,920
Speaker 3: get through March. Yeah, and see, like if they signed

2671
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 3: T Higgins or they trade for your boy DK met.

2672
02:07:08,280 --> 02:07:11,040
Speaker 1: They should trade that second pick. But like, if you

2673
02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:14,200
Speaker 1: trade the second round pick for DK Metcalf, you're probably

2674
02:07:14,200 --> 02:07:15,440
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to trade back up in the

2675
02:07:15,440 --> 02:07:17,440
Speaker 1: first round. But I'm kind of okay with that.

2676
02:07:17,600 --> 02:07:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is a bigger take and we don't

2677
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:21,640
Speaker 3: have time for it, but just really quickly, like, don't

2678
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:23,960
Speaker 3: totally sleep on the defensive side of the ball. I

2679
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:26,000
Speaker 3: know it's not sexy, I know it's not shiny. I

2680
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:29,280
Speaker 3: know it's not what we all want. But they're twenty

2681
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:31,480
Speaker 3: ninth in the league in DVOA on defense right now,

2682
02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:33,440
Speaker 3: and they'll get bar More and Bentley back and that

2683
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:35,800
Speaker 3: will help, but like, they are not a good defense,

2684
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:36,600
Speaker 3: So don't sleep on that.

2685
02:07:36,720 --> 02:07:38,680
Speaker 1: We do this every year, we do a big three needs,

2686
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,440
Speaker 1: right like, and it's just worked out that there's kind

2687
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,480
Speaker 1: of been three needs that are clearly a tier above

2688
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:43,920
Speaker 1: all else.

2689
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:44,200
Speaker 3: Yep.

2690
02:07:44,360 --> 02:07:48,360
Speaker 1: Last year quarterback, receiver, tackle, this year tackle receiver. I

2691
02:07:48,360 --> 02:07:51,640
Speaker 1: would say edge. I would say edge is a bigger

2692
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:54,080
Speaker 1: need than anything on offense outside of tackle or receiver.

2693
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't necessarily disagree with that at all. And look,

2694
02:07:57,360 --> 02:07:58,800
Speaker 3: if you want to build it from the back end

2695
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:02,240
Speaker 3: and you draft corner, the opposite againzales and that you're

2696
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:04,360
Speaker 3: gonna build a no fly zone instead, Like you can

2697
02:08:04,360 --> 02:08:04,720
Speaker 3: go that way.

2698
02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:07,520
Speaker 1: We're good at developing corners though, Like that's again. We'll

2699
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:08,400
Speaker 1: get in there in the spring.

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