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Speaker 1: tex Stuff from how stuff Works dot com. Hey there, everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Bolette, femin

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Speaker 1: editor here How Stuff Works, and sitting next to me

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Speaker 1: as always as senior writer Jonathan Strickland. Can you picture that? Nice?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? So today we were going to talk about

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Speaker 1: digital cameras and specifically megapixels, right, and uh, here's something

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Speaker 1: this is probably that we should call us like the

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Speaker 1: podcast they don't want you to listen to. They being,

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Speaker 1: you know, the digital camera manufacturers and shops, because megapixels.

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Speaker 1: That's one of those things that that a lot of

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Speaker 1: manufacturers used to kind of differentiate their product from other

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Speaker 1: other competitors, like you know, this camera has ten megapixels,

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Speaker 1: or you'll see that in a lot of smartphones or

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Speaker 1: cell phones even now, where you'll say, like this cell

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Speaker 1: phone has three mega pixels, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: confusion like what does that mean? Are the higher numbers

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Speaker 1: automatically better? Um? Is there a point where the numbers

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Speaker 1: don't really matter anymore? So we're kinda gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: that and sort of straighten these things out. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: and and to be honest, they probably wouldn't even care

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Speaker 1: if you didn't know the truth. They just uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a number that gets that people attached themselves too,

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Speaker 1: because they can they cann sort of compare it to

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Speaker 1: other machines. I mean it's sort of like, uh, mega hurts,

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Speaker 1: the mega hurts myth as they used to call it

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Speaker 1: for computer chips, because you'd say, oh, well that's faster,

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Speaker 1: that means it's better. Well, you know, megapixels is the

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Speaker 1: same way. Just because there are more megapixels in a

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Speaker 1: camera's ability to shoot. Um, yeah, it doesn't necessarily make

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Speaker 1: it a better camera. It just means it can capture

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Speaker 1: an image of more area. Right. It doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: It's just that alone anyway, right right. I mean the

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Speaker 1: megapixels do play a part in that. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have chosen the megapixel number as

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Speaker 1: because it's easy. Yeah, It's like that's an easy number.

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Speaker 1: You look at you're like, oh, well, this is a

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Speaker 1: five megapixel camera. This is a seven megapixel camera. Therefore

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Speaker 1: the seven one is better. That's not necessarily the case.

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Speaker 1: It may turn out that you could use both of

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Speaker 1: and the five megapixel camera may end up giving you

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Speaker 1: a camera has the capacity to take more or to

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Speaker 1: cram more pixels into a picture, doesn't mean that that

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Speaker 1: picture is going to be better necessarily, that's true. Um.

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Speaker 1: There was a semi famous experiment that David Pogue did

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Speaker 1: And basically they took three pictures, one that had been

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