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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout. We do our fifty minutes

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Speaker 1: Chop it up. And even though this is the NFL's offseason,

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Speaker 1: there's all sorts of news going on. DraftKings released, it's

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Speaker 1: NFL win totals. There's a couple of weird ones. God,

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Speaker 1: did Kirk Cousins get respect? The Falcons are ten and

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Speaker 1: a half that is ultimately Vegas and DraftKings telling you

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is a very good capable quarterback in this league.

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Speaker 1: Ten and a half, by the way, is the same

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Speaker 1: think it's funny. There's just there's certain people in every

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Speaker 1: John Middelcoff, the former NFL scout three and out that

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Speaker 1: of all the draft Kings, unders and overs Falcons, ten

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Speaker 1: and a half was like, holy crap. And most I mean,

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Speaker 1: they do have a good old line for Kirk, but

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Speaker 1: I think Kirk Cousins is way more respected in the

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Speaker 3: Well, think about it. The previous year, right, they won

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Speaker 3: thirteen games, they were in the playoffs. They started slow

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Speaker 3: his best football that they would have been a clear

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Speaker 3: I mean, if he's healthy in the team solid, he's

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Speaker 3: of owners would sign up for a heartbeat just to be,

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Speaker 3: you know, playing football in the middle of January. I

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Speaker 3: right in football a lot like March Madness. It's not

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Speaker 3: a seven game scenario. The Giants were not as good

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Speaker 1: And also to give you a double shot of Kirk

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Speaker 1: is viewed inside analytics, Vegas draft kings the league much

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Speaker 3: That's Washington's GM. I do think the Patriots saying that

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Speaker 3: to take a lineman that's more of their style high

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Speaker 1: So I have envisioned if they got If the Chargers

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Speaker 3: What are the Vikings eleven?

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Speaker 3: the Helodinadas, those types they take higher. Ronnie Stanley, Zay

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Speaker 3: As a young person, your confidence is very, very brittle.

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Speaker 3: There's no like, well we can mix this guy in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you will with a quarterback at

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Speaker 1: It's just hard to overcome the you know, they there's

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Speaker 3: Well, I think both those guys said it when they

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Speaker 1: His last four games he had six touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: But to make that statement already, let's face it kind

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Speaker 1: I liked him.

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Speaker 3: That's probably I mean, I think, if you had to

428
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Speaker 3: go off today, Travis Hunter is a better prospect than

429
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Speaker 3: Shador Sanders. Now, obviously that can change, and he plays

430
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Speaker 3: the most important position. But there are gonna be a

431
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Speaker 3: lot of eye I mean, there were a lot of

432
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Speaker 3: eyeballs on him at least early once they started being

433
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Speaker 3: terrible people you know, fell off. But I think this

434
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Speaker 3: year and it's gonna be fascinating. Let's face that he

435
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 3: plays in a crappy conference. I mean, I would imagine

436
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Speaker 3: the Big twelve of now the four, the Big ten

437
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Speaker 3: in the SEC. I would say the ACC is going

438
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Speaker 3: to be viewed as better than the Big twelve going

439
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Speaker 3: into the season. So he you know, when it all

440
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Speaker 3: said and done, what if he's kind of playing nobody's

441
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Speaker 3: and he's not that great again? I mean, are we

442
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Speaker 3: talking about some for sure top ten pick. I'm not

443
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Speaker 3: saying that he can't. He could be the number one pick,

444
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Speaker 3: but he also could be a second round pick. There's

445
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Speaker 3: just no I would not put the rubber stamp right

446
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Speaker 3: now he is some lock top ten pick. That's just

447
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Speaker 3: not the way it works. And things change. Think how

448
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Speaker 3: often JJ McCarthy wasn't viewed as a top ten pick

449
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Speaker 3: coming into the season. Hell even after the season. I

450
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Speaker 3: don't think universally the average person would be like, that's

451
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Speaker 3: the top ten pick. Now he's gonna go like top five. Yeah,

452
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Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels kind of have the Joe Burrow ascension. No

453
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: one was talking about that guy, Whin's the Heisman. Now

454
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: he's talked about Bo Knicks. I mean think things change

455
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: very rapidly in football with the prospects at the quarterback position.

456
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Speaker 3: So if they're going to talk a big game, which

457
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Speaker 3: Deon does because Dion can back it up, I think

458
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Speaker 3: sometimes he talks for his kids. And you know last

459
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Speaker 3: year that Colorado State situation talking before the game before

460
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Speaker 3: what happened was best player got destroyed, ruptured a kidney,

461
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Speaker 3: and like almost died on the field. So DEM's coach now, right,

462
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: he's not the player. So you put this added pressure

463
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Speaker 3: on him, and he'd say, well, they have pressure no

464
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Speaker 3: matter what because of my name and that's true, but

465
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Speaker 3: I think this is another level. I mean, that's gonna

466
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Speaker 3: be a major talking point all next fall.

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Speaker 1: So they're at the league meetings. The hip drop tackle

468
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Speaker 1: was banned. The defensive players are objecting to it. It's

469
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Speaker 1: very hard for a smaller player to tackle a big player.

470
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Speaker 1: Puts the defense at a further disadvantage. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the league cares. Also, yeah, yeah, it means more passers

472
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Speaker 1: to the tight end. And my takeaway is they're going

473
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Speaker 1: to throw the ball to the pigs.

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Speaker 3: More.

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Speaker 1: Replay assistance will now be permitted to change incorrect calls

476
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Speaker 1: for roughing the passer and intentional grounding. People could argue, God,

477
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Speaker 1: that's too much complexity to the replay system. I actually

478
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Speaker 1: like that none of these. None of these bothered me.

479
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Speaker 1: I don't think you know one of the things that

480
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Speaker 1: has changed in football and for the better. People often

481
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Speaker 1: say they like defense, they like their team having a

482
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Speaker 1: good defense. They don't really like defense. So if I

483
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Speaker 1: said to you the Super Bowl was nine to six

484
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Speaker 1: or twenty eight to twenty seven, fans would take the ladder.

485
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Speaker 1: People love defense when it's theirs, but people fans will

486
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Speaker 1: watch any great offense. It doesn't matter. If it's the

487
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Speaker 1: greatest show on turf, it's Mahomes in his biggest year

488
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Speaker 1: with Tyreek, and so I think the league's very clearly

489
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Speaker 1: saying we're trying to keep the players healthy. We're gonna

490
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Speaker 1: lean offense. It's good for fantasy, it's good for TV.

491
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Speaker 1: Almost everything to me is just safety or TV product.

492
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Speaker 1: That's how I view all these rule changes.

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Speaker 3: Well, my initial reaction is I don't think it's necessary

494
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Speaker 3: because I think the defensive player, you know, the pure

495
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Speaker 3: football element. If I'm trying to get most guys are

496
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Speaker 3: not Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis and Brian Urlacker that can

497
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Speaker 3: form tackle anybody in space. I'm doing whatever I can

498
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Speaker 3: to get Christian McCaffrey, Alvin Kamara, or Travis Kelsey to

499
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Speaker 3: the ground. Well, who did I just name? Besides the quarterbacks,

500
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Speaker 3: the most famous players in the league have the ball

501
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Speaker 3: in their hand. They want Deebo, Samuel, Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey,

502
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Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley. They don't want him to get injured. Right,

503
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Speaker 3: those are the people for fantasy football. People watch the

504
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Speaker 3: casual fan, which the NFL has more of. They want

505
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Speaker 3: to protect those guys. So I think it's just simple.

506
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Speaker 3: Do they truly care about safety? I don't think they

507
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Speaker 3: even did it with the head. They just didn't want

508
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Speaker 3: to get suit anymore. It was all a cover your

509
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: ass move, and that's been regulated out of the game, right,

510
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: there's no people don't launch themselves anymore. The quarterback, and

511
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: you've been saying this forever. The quarterback's the most important

512
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Speaker 3: position for all of us fans to watch. No one

513
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Speaker 3: wants to watch the Bills play the cheeks. We'll two

514
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Speaker 3: backup quarterbacks even if we get mad on ridiculous roughing

515
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: the pastors. The intention is to keep those guys safe

516
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: and that I understand that this one. I'm not going

517
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Speaker 3: to freak out until I see the way they call it,

518
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 3: because as a defender, the overwhelming majority of players are

519
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 3: just trying to get the player to the ground, right.

520
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: No one's trying even the guy that hurt Mark Andrews.

521
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: Obviously he was not trying to injure him. And I

522
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Speaker 3: think this is where the players have been saying this forever.

523
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Speaker 3: Once they cut the quote unquote head hunting, they go

524
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Speaker 3: after the knees. Well, what pays the Bills for these guys?

525
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: They're lakes and so we've seen a lot of knee

526
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Speaker 3: injuries because guys get their kne He's blown out. It

527
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: happened to the taller players like Gronk forever. So listen,

528
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: I think they they overreact to stuff like this. And

529
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: the writing was on the wall a couple of weeks

530
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Speaker 3: ago when they were all openly talking about in the

531
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Speaker 3: league office. I would imagine a lot of coaches don't

532
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 3: like it. But as we've seen, they don't give a

533
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: shit what the coaches think, you know, So this is all,

534
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: like you said, it gets back to the TV. It's

535
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Speaker 3: why whenever you see these rules, ninety percent of the time,

536
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: the coaches would always vote no. They have no power.

537
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: It's just the league, the owners and the money, which

538
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: then the coaches and the players all benefit from. But

539
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: some of these rules back to remember the CBA. There's

540
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: no practice anymore. Well, yeah, that limits the development of

541
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Speaker 3: young quarterbacks and offensive linemen. But Roger Goodell and his

542
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: team is not thinking about that. They're just thinking about

543
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: revenue growth, revenue growth and safety. They've kind of figured

544
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Speaker 3: out a formula and safety, so for the offensive players.

545
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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I've always had kind of a

546
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: theory about what I do is that if I get

547
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: new information, change my opinion. And I'm not your classic journalist, obviously,

548
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm not a boots on the ground guy. But I'm texting,

549
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: texted NFL two NFL gms today about something so and

550
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: you have the same content contacts and the same kind

551
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: of effort.

552
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: Is that we're both.

553
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: Seeking information constantly and sometimes I just get new information.

554
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: And I was very cool on Ryan Poll's you know

555
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: former offensive lineman the Bears GM a Vilas Jones pick.

556
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: I could not stand at number three. I just thought

557
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: it was a complete with and I thought they just

558
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: didn't do their homework or their sec scout didn't do

559
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: their homework because at sc he couldn't track the ball.

560
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: He was a returner.

561
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: Max.

562
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: I didn't love the Chase Claypool move, but I understood it.

563
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: Mooney was a smaller player, Chase was a big body,

564
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: had a great rookie year. Distracted player didn't work. But

565
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, as a former offensive lineman,

566
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I think he's put some effort into draft capital, and

567
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: I think their left tackle and right tackle can both play.

568
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: They had another tackle they moved inside. They've saved his

569
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: career I thought the Dj Moore move, Keenan Allen, DeAndre Swift,

570
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: Gerald Everett, I've got to be honest, I did not

571
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: a year ago. I did not trust Ryan Poles the

572
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: GM of the Bears. But I've got new information. The

573
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: other thing they're doing, which the Steelers aren't. The Steelers

574
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: and the Bears are defined defensively. They're cultures. I mean,

575
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: outside of Bradshawn Ben and some talented receivers, it's a

576
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: defensive culture. He is saying, No, that's not what we're

577
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: gonna do here. We're gonna spend money on offense. That's

578
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: what the Rams do, the Browns are doing, That's what

579
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are doing. It's the opposite of the Steelers.

580
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: So I find over the last two weeks when he

581
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: went and got Keenan DeAndre Swift, good pass catching running back,

582
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: twenty five year old kid, good player, not a great player,

583
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: good player, and then Gerald Everett with Cole Kamet, those

584
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: are functional, smart players. I've got to be honest. Between Caleb,

585
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: who I really like, between these offensive pieces, I almost

586
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: feel like I've got new information. I think I think

587
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: the Bears got the GM right. How is he viewed

588
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: inside the league.

589
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think he had what has potential

590
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: to be one of the great moves in the history

591
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: of the league in that trade that he made last

592
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: year with the Carolina Panthers, right, because for a while

593
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: looked like he was going to be defined on some

594
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: of his worst moves that was early on. I mean,

595
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: that Chase Claypool move was pretty embarrassing because his pick

596
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: ended up being really high, and I think the Steelers

597
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: ended up drafting Joey Porter Junior, who's a really high

598
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: end play. I mean, that pick at the high at

599
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: the beginning of the second round is very, very valuable.

600
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: But that Carolina Panther trade, I mean truly was a

601
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: game changer. And if Caleb he does not have to

602
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: become Patrick Mahomes, if he just as a top ten

603
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: NFL quarterback, which would be probably the best quarterback in

604
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: the history of the franchise, it would change their franchise forever.

605
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: And he took advantage of a team and an owner

606
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: who was desperate and cleaned up right, and he also

607
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: added one of their best players who was under contract

608
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: in Dj Moore. Because my first thought last year when

609
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: they traded for Swam, I'm like God, that's a little much.

610
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: Well then they immediately got him. They started winning games,

611
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: their defense was better, so their draft pick actually ended

612
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: up not as bad. They got him under contract and like,

613
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: actually that aged pretty well. I had to kind of

614
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Speaker 3: eat that. I was like, well, that's not as crazy

615
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: as it looked. So yeah, when you work for Andy

616
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: and Veitch and John Dorsey, he was around a lot

617
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: of high level people for a while, and I think

618
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: it's fair. I'm sure you would agree, and you've done

619
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: this just like most people. Every human being makes bad

620
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: business decisions. Most people's are not public as a GM.

621
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Speaker 3: Every move you make is very public, right, so you're

622
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 3: gonna have bad ones, but it doesn't have to define

623
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: you if your great moves are awesome. Joe Douglas has

624
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: had some really good moves for the Jets, but his

625
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: quarterback moves so far have just not worked out, and

626
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: it's going to ultimately get him fired if they don't work. So,

627
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: if you figure out the quarterback situation, which they are

628
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: primed to do in Chicago, all these other kind of

629
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Speaker 3: they're not even antler moves because they were kind of big,

630
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: have a chance to. If DJ Morris is in the

631
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: pro Bowl for a couple of years, and Sweat's a

632
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: pro bowler. I mean, we're gonna talking about this guy

633
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: like a top ten GM and if he can get

634
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: the Bears as a winning operation. Now, as a GM,

635
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: you're also very dependent on your head coach. There is

636
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: no great general manager that doesn't either have a good

637
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: de great head coach. So you don't once the season starts,

638
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: you're not implementing anything. You're not with the player, you're

639
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: not doing anything. Really, Chris Verry, Chris Balar gets a second.

640
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Balard's reputation is going to improve over the

641
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: next two years because of Shane Steichen.

642
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he has might have the next Kyle Shanahan, right,

643
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: So it's gonna it's gonna change his life, right, it

644
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: already did this year. The quarterback got hurt. We're all like, oh,

645
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: culture screwed. All of a sudden, they're in the playoff

646
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 3: Mixed Week seventeen with Gardner Minshew, So there's a lot

647
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: of pressure on Eberflus And most GMS get two coaches,

648
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: so this was kind of a packaged deal. Pollyan, remember

649
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 3: was involved with the hiring of these guys. He was

650
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: definitely Eberflus. So if this doesn't work out, you get

651
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: another one. You gotta get it right, because if he

652
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: gets it right with Caleb and the player, he could

653
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: be viewed as an elite guy. But if he doesn't

654
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 3: a lot like the quarterback position, just because you have

655
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: a good quarterback, if your coach isn't good enough, you're

656
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: gonna be in trouble. I think the pressure on Iberflus, Sirianni,

657
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: and McCarthy because of their markets, because I mean it's

658
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. He has no years left on his contract.

659
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: They almost fired Siriani like two months ago. Those guys

660
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: are going to be in their own little stratosphere and

661
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: the way we talk about it. But I think eber

662
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: Flus that the pressure starts immediately because of their roster,

663
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: because of the talent, and because they have a quarterback

664
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: that we've been talking. It happened in Jacksonville right part

665
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: of Urban Meyer. Obviously there was a lot going on,

666
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: but like you got handed Trevor Lawrence, So to me,

667
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: the pressure gets multiplied by like ten. You know that

668
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: Frank Reich, all of a sudden, we draft this guy

669
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: at number one, we trade our franchise. I gotta fire you.

670
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: It's not where that adds an element of pressure with

671
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: the high quarterback pick, or it makes you Demiko get

672
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: the guy right, like god, Dimko's a shooting rocket ship.

673
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: Now he might he would have been probably saw it.

674
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: He would have figured out because Demko's pretty special. But

675
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, Lose looks like he's changed

676
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: his look feels a little younger, and.

677
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: He noticed that.

678
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so his team's good. I mean, there's no disputing

679
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: the roster talent is I mean, Keenan Allen's are real.

680
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: They have multiple receivers, they have a tight end, they

681
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: got some good they have picks. The thing, it's not

682
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: like they just got Kleb then it'll pick again until

683
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 3: the second round. They have the ninth pick in the draft,

684
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: so the ability to either trade back or take a player.

685
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: Imagine if they get that right. So they have this

686
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: really talented roster on paper already, and they had Caleb

687
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: Williams and player X. If that guy becomes an immediate

688
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: impact player, we're talking about this team as a wild card.

689
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: Well, I I if I was Chicago, I'd trade down

690
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: at nine.

691
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: I really would.

692
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: Again, you're in a we've talked about the Chargers and

693
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: the Giants. I think those positions like five and six

694
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: are too rich for some of these quarterbacks.

695
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: Nine.

696
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody wants to go Raiders eleven to nine, that's.

697
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: Different than eleven. Denver sitting right there too.

698
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I could see where the Bears move down

699
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: just three spots. Because this draft, I've been told, has

700
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: eighteen first round players. It's usually about fifteen to sixteen.

701
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: This feels like eighteen or night. The UCLA end is

702
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: kind of the end of perceived first round talent, you know,

703
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: the end of the first round, Those last eight to

704
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: nine picks, it's no man's land. Everybody would rather have

705
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: top of the second picks. But I've heard the UCLA

706
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: rush end is probably in that small group of last

707
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: considered elite start day one players be very productive. So

708
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: I do think the Bears are in a good spot.

709
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson the corner, Montese Whatt defensive line. I would

710
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: think if they've got two receivers. Now, my take was

711
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: their offensive moves in free agency signaled that that number

712
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: nine pick is going to go defense. They got to

713
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: get Ibra flu something, right. You can't just keep saying

714
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: I got receivers. I got tight ends, and for the record,

715
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: I think they probably they probably need I mean, if

716
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: you look at that position, there's a verse from Florida State.

717
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: They could probably use another rush end.

718
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could take the Bama pass rusher as well.

719
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: You could take one of those two guys for sure.

720
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: If you get stuck. The one thing with Chicago, you'd

721
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: say that division. Detroit kept their offensive coordinator, who I

722
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: think a lot of people view as the lynchpin of

723
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: that operation. So they're gonna be good again. The talent

724
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 3: on that roster is not really debatable. It's top five

725
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: to six in the NFL that the Lions roster, And

726
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: like most people, it's hard to bet against the Packers

727
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: if Jordan Love is going to be a good player,

728
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: So it's it's like it's going to be easy for

729
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: them right that they're playing. And if Minnesota is just

730
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: a credible operation with a lot of good talented players,

731
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: it's going to be a challenge. And even if Caleb

732
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: is really good, it's the NFL is hard. I mean,

733
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning set a record for interceptions this rookie year.

734
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 3: So it's it's just the pressure that comes along with it. Now, Caleb,

735
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 3: like you know, a lot of guys in recent memory

736
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: has been under the spotlight. He's used to it, he's

737
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: used to getting paid, so the money shouldn't overwhelm them.

738
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: But there's when's the last time the Bears had this

739
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: much pressure slash interest going into probably fifteen plus years ago.

740
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: When's the last time they had this much offensive talent?

741
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: When's the last time the Bears had a legitimate star

742
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: number one receiver and a legitimate star number two receiver

743
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: that's just not that you know, and a star quarterback.

744
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you the last time he had Jay Cutler.

745
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: Didn't he have al Seon Jeffrey?

746
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had Alshon. They had Brandon Marshall for a minute,

747
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: they had those two guys. They were solid, they were

748
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: a real team, and that's kind of what this. But

749
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: Jay by that time was a veteran player played Okayleb's

750
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: been in Lincoln Riley's offense. There is a little bit

751
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: of a jolt, you know, yet Waldron runs more of

752
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: the Shanahan operation. There's time to just get used to

753
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: playing in a system where you're probably under center a

754
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 3: little more now. Part of it is as an offensive coordinator.

755
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 3: You're not going to force him to do things he

756
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: doesn't want to do, but you also have to kind

757
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: of find a middle ground. So I'm fascinated. I Like

758
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: you said, Ryan Poles, I give him an a plus.

759
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: For about the last twelve months, he's been kicking ass

760
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: and taking names.

761
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: No, I think he's done a really good job. And

762
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: that's just one of the things I believe to be true.

763
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: Like I never understood Lessen. You could criticize me all

764
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: day long, but it's like I changed my position all

765
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: the time because I get new information. The other thing

766
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: I think is funny about being in a public job,

767
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: whether you're a quarterback or a mayor a talk show host,

768
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: things that looked like a hot take end up not

769
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: being a hot take. I mean, if I'd told you

770
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: a year before it happened, Kevin Durant's going to go

771
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: to the Warriors, he'd be like, well, you're talking about

772
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City is a finals level team. And you know,

773
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: if you'd just said, you know, Sean Payton's going to

774
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: take that Denver job. I mean, I remember when he

775
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: took it. I was he wouldn't talk to me the

776
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: last couple of days when the rumor got out, and

777
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, he wanted the Chargers job. He didn't want

778
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson thing. That's not gonna There are so

779
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: many There are so many situations that I would have

780
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: said ten years ago it's a hot take, Like I

781
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: didn't get JJ McCarthy at all, and then all of

782
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: a sudden, I got two people from the combine. One said, yeah,

783
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: we just talked to him at the whiteboard. She was unbelievable,

784
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's what I heard about

785
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: Baker before he went one. And then all of a sudden,

786
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: I saw twenty one extra pound show up. So the

787
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy stuff is kind of one of these. If

788
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: you'd have said it a year ago, there's gonna be

789
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: a wild pursuit of JJ McCarthy to be a top

790
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: five quarterback. A year ago, I would have been like,

791
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: you're out of your mindy sky.

792
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: A year ago, I would have said, watching the Penn

793
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: State game four months ago, like you're nuts. The Ohio

794
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 3: State he played, He made some plays against Ohio State

795
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: in Alabama. Too great that. But here's the thing. When

796
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: you draft a guy, you're not really just thinking about

797
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: Week one, right, you're really thinking about twenty twenty seven,

798
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: twy twenty eight, two thousand and thirty. You're thinking about

799
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: him being your quarterback for a decade plus. He just

800
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: turned twenty one years old. For example, Will Levis is

801
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: going to be twenty five, right, so it's like the

802
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: age matters. What he was asked to do matters. I

803
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: saw John Lynch talk to the press today and he's like,

804
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, I wanted to go to the

805
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: USC Pro Day and he's like, one of my main

806
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 3: sky like, don't waste your time. Go to the Michigan

807
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: Pro Day. They have eighteen players we ain't taken Caleb.

808
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: Go watch the talent. So he played on a team

809
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: Colin that is gonna set potentially the NFL record for

810
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: players drafted in one individual draft. They already set the

811
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: combine record that they set six offensive line only five

812
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: guys can play. I don't even know how that's possible, right,

813
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 3: but that shows you. It's like USC Matt Castle's getting drafted,

814
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 3: He's not even taking a snap. Shows you the talents

815
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: at a different level. Well, when I out talent, most

816
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: people I don't need to be playing like Lincoln Riley

817
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: and that you know, try to score forty five points.

818
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: That's not how hardball's ever played. So I think you start,

819
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: you know, judging him on the context of everything and

820
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: character and all the intangible stuff. Let's face it, it doesn't

821
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: matter as much as the other positions. Jalen Carter has

822
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: a ton of red flags. He's a six foot five,

823
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: three hundred and twenty pound interior rusher. He was never

824
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 3: falling out of the top ten if a quarterback had those.

825
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: I don't care how talented he is. He's not getting drafted.

826
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: I yeah, he's just not so wide receivers, defensive lineman

827
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: people are ye. I will figure it out. Well, quarterback matters.

828
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, I think benefits from his dad's very

829
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: sort of quirky personality. His dad, you know, it's very

830
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: well known.

831
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: I've never even heard the guy talk his dad or

832
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior.

833
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: So it was very well under I mean I had

834
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: a source tell me, I've had two sources, once when

835
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: he was playing and once recently talking about Marvin Harrison's dad.

836
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: Like he didn't like after practice. Sometimes he wouldn't shower

837
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 1: in the facility. He would literally go home. He didn't

838
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: hang out with the players. So he was an odd ball. Like,

839
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: first of all, he only played on one side of

840
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: the field with Peyton Manning. He was sort of kind

841
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: of a rigid, rigid personality. There was the story about

842
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: gun charges, Philadelphia murder. I mean, there's a lot of

843
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: shit out there. So his son doesn't goes to the combine,

844
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: he won't talk, he won't do a pro day, he

845
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: won't go to the combine. And my takeaway is, well,

846
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: his dad, you can watch him play. He just doesn't

847
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: look like anybody else. I love Roma Dunza, but he

848
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: didn't have quite the explosiveness. The kid out of LSU

849
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: is good. He didn't quite have you know. Harrison's just

850
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: he's like Calvin Johnson, I just don't see any holes.

851
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: And the truth is Ohio State does good job with

852
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: receivers and his dad is probably given him all sorts

853
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: of insight. So it's funny about like people are getting

854
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: caught up in hair Marvin Harrison and they're like, oh,

855
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't talk, it's odd. I'm like, that's dad that

856
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, people, Marvin Harrison. There's a thirty for thirty there, Like,

857
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I know everything about Randy Moss. I know

858
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: a lot about Calvin Johnson, who's a pretty reticent guy,

859
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: doesn't talk. I don't know anything about Marvin Harrison's. There's

860
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: two great thirty for thirties that have never been done.

861
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's Wizard years they were.

862
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: That won't get done yet.

863
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: It was as show and Michael won't let any of

864
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: that stuff out. And the second one is Marvin Harrison

865
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: in in Indianapolis. I mean he was, I mean it was,

866
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: he was on the team, but players would tell you

867
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: he just wasn't one of the guys like at all.

868
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: So that's his son. So I'm like, I kind of

869
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: chalk it up to like fatherlike son.

870
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. One thing I saw with textan around. You know,

871
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if Marvin Harrison was gonna run like

872
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: four four five yeah, and if you run four five two,

873
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: you know, when we're talking about the elite of the elite,

874
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: Larry Fitzgerald, the Julio Jones. Julio Jones ran like a

875
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 3: four four to four with a broken foot. Remember at

876
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: his pro day. You know, the Calvin Johnson's of the world,

877
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: he's not quite that. And his dad's like, none of

878
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: this stuff matters, just it doesn't matter. So he's not

879
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: doing any of it. He's at any other position, or

880
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: I mean at the quarterback position, it would be weird.

881
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: Like even Caleb threw at the Pro day right, which

882
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: I give him credit because when you work out at

883
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: a pro day, who doesn't help Brendan Rice? It helps

884
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: your teammates. Marvin Harrison's in his own little world. No

885
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: one cares if wide receives are in their own little world.

886
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 3: You watch wide receivers during contract negotiations in the NFL.

887
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: It's always a big hooplaw. It's just not like that

888
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: at other positions. So you know, you talk to people

889
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: in the NFL, they don't all believe that Marvin might

890
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 3: be the best prospect in this draft, the kid at LSU.

891
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: But he's got some off the field questions. Rome is

892
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 3: probably a little safer, bigger. But is he as fast

893
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: is he is Chris? You know, it depends who you

894
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: talk to. Where all these guys are getting drafted somewhere

895
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: between six and twelve, So I mean, at the end

896
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: of the day, that's the other thing that bothers me.

897
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: Like he fell in the draft, he went seventh or ninth.

898
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: You know, it's not falling in the draft. Quarterbacks push

899
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: guys down. Offensive linemen push guys down. If you get

900
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 3: drafted at eleventh overall, you're you're pretty highly viewed in

901
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 3: NFL circles. I think it's safe to say.

902
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: So. One of the things John Middlecalff three and n

903
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: former NFL scout. One of the things people come up

904
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: to me all the time when I mentioned my podcast

905
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: or they asked me about the volume. And you've got

906
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: a lot of fans out there. And one of the

907
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: things that I think is strength is your a very

908
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: relatable guy. You like your vodka, you like your gambling.

909
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: You know, you're just like a relatable guy. You like

910
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: your golf. I want to talk about the show Hey

911
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: o Tani story because my takeaway and I know it

912
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: came off as sort of maybe callous, but as long

913
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: as he didn't bet baseball, I don't care. First of all,

914
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: our life experience is shape us. My first job out

915
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: of college was Vegas. I just knew gamblers. It didn't

916
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: mean anything. I didn't think they were bad people. I

917
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: mean people are doing things on Wall Street with my

918
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: four oh one K. I have much greater concerns that

919
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: what they're doing in a sports book at the Hilton.

920
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: The second thing is when you're young and you're making

921
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and like I'm not talking like

922
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: a million dollars, I'm talking like Mahomes show. You have

923
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: people that are really doing a lot of your work

924
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: for you. You're not doing your books, you know. I

925
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: mean everybody in Hollywood, even even be actors, they have

926
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: entertainment attorneys and accountants. Shohetani is not looking at his

927
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: checking account like the rest of us are, Like he

928
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: has no IY. He may have multiple checking accounts in

929
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: Los Angeles to avoid taxes. You know, you've got LLC's

930
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: es corpse. You're doing whatever you can. Now he's a

931
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: he's an employee, so there's limitations on what he can do.

932
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: But you know you're all trying to in California with

933
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: thirteen and a half percent you know, state taxes to

934
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: avoid it. This part, I totally believe he's not watching

935
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: his checking account like that money is going to his attorneys,

936
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: it's going to his stock portfolio. I heard when Tiger

937
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 1: Woods was in his prime, he was sending a check

938
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: of And I'm not just like twenty million a month

939
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 1: to his financial advisor like they just off the top,

940
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: twenty million, two hundred and forty million dollars. It was

941
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: something something absurd like that.

942
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. He was making one hundred million dollars

943
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 3: a year. So if you yeah it was he million

944
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 3: dollar check or ten million dollar check, it's not that crazy.

945
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: Maybe it was.

946
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: Maybe it was twenty million dollars a year off the top,

947
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: just went to the market. It was some absurd amount.

948
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: And you know you're not You've got people that do this.

949
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: I can buy Otani saying, listen, man, he's a friend.

950
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: I have a checking account. I gave him, you know,

951
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: I it's like power of attorney. I allowed him to

952
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: take some stuff out because I just I'm busy, and

953
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: it goes sideways fast. That's a lot of money. If

954
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: you're drawing stuff out of Otani's account and it's seven

955
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: million dollars your thing and I'm taking four. Granted he

956
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 1: doesn't have a clue, which he doesn't. I can buy

957
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: that Otani didn't know and feels completely burned by a friend.

958
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: I can buy that, can you.

959
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? I actually played golf last week with a guy

960
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: that owns a big insurance company in Boston, and he

961
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: has actors and major League Baseball players, basically their life

962
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: insurance accounts. And he said he's never talked to one

963
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 3: of them. He just was on the phone getting business

964
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: with one of the He wouldn't tell me the name.

965
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: He's like, you know rules, but one of the main

966
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: actresses in Hollywood, and he talked to the person that

967
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: runs all of her money and all she has to

968
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: do is say yes or no and they'll do it.

969
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: And that he runs the point she's not checking or

970
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: checking account every day, like you said, like me right,

971
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 3: So to me, I think there's twofold on this one.

972
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: The overreaction that gambling. I grew up around. My dad

973
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 3: was a farmer and knew a lot of people that

974
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: risked a lot in business, and that was their mentality,

975
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: and they gambled a lot. I've been around a lot

976
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: of gamblers my entire life. People have been gambling since

977
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 3: the history of time. It's got to be one of

978
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: the longest running professions in the world. People have been

979
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: doing it well before any of this stuff existed, goes

980
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: back to the nineteen early nineteen hundreds. Was sports right,

981
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: think about some of the scandals. So this reaction of like,

982
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: well this is getting crazy this is Michael Jordan. One

983
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 3: of the things we've he's known for is he's gambled

984
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: all the time. So how it's this notion that guys

985
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: don't think like that? Now? He denied it today. He

986
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: claimed that he knew nothing about it, right, And I

987
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: heard you say if he had done it, as long

988
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 3: as he's not betting on his team to lose, which

989
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: I understand, I don't even think would be that big

990
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: a deal if he was gambling one year, gambling on

991
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 3: football or EPL soccer, who cares? And two it's very realistic.

992
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: He just signed a seven hundred million dollar contract where

993
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: he was cool getting twenty million dollars over the next

994
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: ten years. Does that not show you how rich the

995
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: guy is? Yeah, name me another human you know, I

996
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: like Warren Buffett that would agree to mean.

997
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: People forget how much money like Kobe Bryant made in

998
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: Turkey or Brad Pitt made overseas, Like American audiences have

999
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: no idea when you're George Clooney, your Brad Pitt, Denzel Washington,

1000
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: you're making thirty million dollars a year. Leonardo DiCaprio, European commercial,

1001
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: go to you go to Italy, and Leonardo DiCaprio is

1002
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: like commercials in Italy. Kobe Bryant made a fortune in China,

1003
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: in Turkey, so can you imagine what shoe O Tani

1004
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: makes in Asia.

1005
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: Well, it's reported that it's sixty million this upcoming year.

1006
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 3: It easily could be way higher. I remember when Hadeki

1007
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: Matsiyama won the Masters and Paul Aisinger is like, he

1008
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: might be the next billion dollar athlete, just Japanese golfer. Right,

1009
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: there's a small percentage. Remember Yao Ming we talked about forever.

1010
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: The Asian market is huge one like they were very close.

1011
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: Clearly they'd known each other for a while. Not crazy

1012
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: that he stole. I think it's crazier than a bookie.

1013
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by this bookie to be able to run

1014
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: lines at four point five million dollars, Like how you

1015
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: have the ability to run a line of credit like

1016
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: even Vegas? Right, a big money guy, I mean a

1017
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: million dollar line of credit for a super rich guy

1018
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 3: with a company that's worth hundreds of month. That's pretty big.

1019
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: So you're getting lines of credit this guy must I'm

1020
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: fascinated by this whole bookie. When it all comes out,

1021
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 3: this operation probably pretty big, which probably hints why the

1022
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: FEDS were after this guy. Maybe some Hollywood guys, but

1023
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 3: one I just don't really care. And my first reaction

1024
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: is I just want to see this guy play now.

1025
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 3: Strauss or Buddy wrote an article I couldn't disagree, more

1026
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: like I just think that it was his article basically

1027
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: saying that gambling is like I don't want to not

1028
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 3: ruining society, but just getting so aggressive and we're becoming

1029
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: numb to it. I say, well, what about alcohol? I

1030
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: mean alcohol, you want to It's been a driving force

1031
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: in society the history of time.

1032
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: Well, here's one of the things. Whenever I see journalists,

1033
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, and they can be I think journalists, I've

1034
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: said this before my top criticism. They have agendas. Acknowledge it,

1035
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: we all do. And secondly, don't be naive. If you're

1036
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: going to be a journalist, then be a true journalist.

1037
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: Do you know the average bet with DraftKings is four dollars.

1038
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: It's hard to.

1039
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: Ruin your family if you're betting ten of those a day, Right,

1040
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: it's four dollars. I used to work for another gambling company.

1041
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: They told me their average bet was four and a

1042
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: half dollars. That includes big betters. The second thing, the

1043
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: disturbance or distortion rate gamblers is one percent, of which

1044
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: every time I read an ad, I have a one

1045
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: eight hundred phone number I have to give out. The

1046
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: distortion or disturbance rate with alcohol is six percent. Should

1047
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: we close all the bars in Chicago? Like and they

1048
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: don't read they say please drink responsibly. That's about the

1049
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: only warning you get. So my take on this, I

1050
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: do both.

1051
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 3: It's not even arguable. Alcohol is way worse for you

1052
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: than gambling. I don't care who you are, yeh.

1053
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: It's bad for your brain, it's bad for your finance.

1054
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: You're bad for your liver, you know. And also when

1055
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: you look at gambling, look at the hole the state

1056
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: lottery has. Look at how much money people give to

1057
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: the state lottery, and the small amount, the small amount

1058
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: the public a winner gets back the hold. In gambling,

1059
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: I bet fifty bucks in the game, and I don't

1060
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean I make a good living. I bet twenty

1061
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: bucks in a two three teen parlay the hold on

1062
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: a straight bet fifty percent chance I get it back.

1063
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 3: Ethan also defended Otani in the sense that if he

1064
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: was gambling, it is complicated. If foreign you come to

1065
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: this country and wait, I can I play in Arizona

1066
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 3: it's legal. I come to California, it's illegal. I go

1067
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: to Texas, it's illegal. But then I go to Chicago.

1068
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 3: It's like it is kind of complicated, right, So in

1069
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: the league's jumped head first into this, and I think

1070
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 3: for the players, the NFL found immediately that it was

1071
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: a complicated scenario, and they got really aggressive with the punishment. Obviously,

1072
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: you can't cover, you know, gamble on sports. You're allowed

1073
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: to gamble on other sports. You just have to leave

1074
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 3: the facility. But it's they jumped so fast, and then

1075
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: they expected everyone to follow the rules. But money's all relative.

1076
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I heard I played golf with a guy

1077
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: that caddied at the big country Club in Arizona, and

1078
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: he says there are countless gambling games where putts can

1079
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: be two to three hundred thousand dollars by the eighteenth toll.

1080
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: So money which to that guy, if he's worth five

1081
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 3: hundred millions, no different than if I'm worth one hundred thousand.

1082
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 3: Now I'm betting hundred one thousand dollars A lot of

1083
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: money to me. So money four point five million dollars

1084
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: sounds a lot of money to ninety nine point nine

1085
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 3: percent of people. To show Aotani. Let's face it, it

1086
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 3: is a tiny, tiny percentage of his yearly income, let

1087
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: alone the guy's net worth. Well, if he's even gambling,

1088
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: if you want to believe him, I simply don't care.

1089
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: I just want to watch him play baseball. Yeah.

1090
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: I mean, the greatest basketball player ever in many eyes

1091
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: is Michael Jordan, prodigious gambler. The best analyst in NBA

1092
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: history is Charles Barkley, noted gambler. Like we think of

1093
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: football and gambling, the truth of the matter is basketball players, golfers.

1094
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: It's just part of our culture. And I think if

1095
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: you look, you know, I'll be honest with you, John

1096
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: when I'm out. I've been a public figure for a while, right,

1097
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: maybe the thirteenth wrong of a public figure in Los Angeles.

1098
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 3: People know you, Colin, people know you.

1099
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: So when I go out, the overwhelming thing people say

1100
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: for six months of the year, Hey, what's your blaze

1101
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: in five this week? That's what I've been doing that

1102
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: for hold on, I've been doing Blazing five for nineteen years.

1103
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: So this is not like Draftking sponsors the show. I'm

1104
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: pro gram. I've been doing this for everyone. I made

1105
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: nothing on it. Now I do DraftKings help support the

1106
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: volume and other ventures. But I think you have to

1107
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: understand Europe's been way ahead of us on this. And

1108
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: people may say, oh, there's just there's ads everywhere. You

1109
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: don't have to watch the ads. There's also tire ads,

1110
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: mattress ads have dominated sports my entire life. Beer ads

1111
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: there's I mean college athletics. There's like hard alcohol ads,

1112
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: like binge drinking alcohol. So I'm not just saying this

1113
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: because of my relationship, our relationship as a company with this.

1114
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: In the end, I think if Ethan Strauss did make

1115
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: that argument, and I'm sure he did, that it's confusing

1116
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: for Otani. I'm making the argument that when you make

1117
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: that kind of money, people are running your bank accounts,

1118
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: and I could absolutely you say to yourself, day, four

1119
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: million dollars, it's amazing. If you just kept taking out

1120
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: twenty grand, twenty grand, you start looking at that account,

1121
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: I bet you he doesn't even see that account at all.

1122
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: I also think that the overall discussion, I think about

1123
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: some people that I'm still friends with, either that I

1124
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: grew up with and then that I went to college with.

1125
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 3: One of our binding connections is gambling, and one thing

1126
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: A lot of journalists who and people in the media,

1127
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: I would say that have the journalistic background that talk

1128
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 3: about this stuff. Wouldn't you say a large percentage of

1129
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: them not only have never gambled, but will never gamble.

1130
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 3: That it's not really it's not their thing. It's not

1131
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: in their DNA where you said, I'm a normal guy.

1132
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 3: I just do what most people do, like most of

1133
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 3: my friends in life. And I don't mean they gamble

1134
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, but they just don't. I get texts all

1135
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: the time during football. Who do you like this weekend?

1136
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 3: You like tonight? I mean, that's just how people discuss.

1137
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 3: And we were discussing. We were talking like that well

1138
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 3: before Draft Kings and these other companies ever came around.

1139
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: That's right.

1140
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: It's like I was the other night and and I

1141
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: went to a Bulls game and I was laughing. I'm like,

1142
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: I said, you know, Ann and I got we like

1143
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: to have a cocktail, and we'll have a couple of cocktails,

1144
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: watch the game in last we're just having a ball together.

1145
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: And we went out later that night and I said

1146
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: are we the only people in this arena having fun?

1147
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: Like everybody else is watching the game, and I'm like,

1148
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: we got cocktails, We're having a good time. Thirty percent

1149
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: of Americans don't drink. Fifty percent of Americans don't bet.

1150
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: I mean Jesus half the men. I mean fifty percent.

1151
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: I think it's all the intimacy in America is by

1152
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the men. There's a lot of people

1153
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: not gambling, not drinking, not sex. And it's like, thank god,

1154
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm on the other side of that.

1155
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 3: Thank God, it's be a shitty life. I don't want

1156
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 3: to know anything about I'll punch you out.

1157
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: I've seen your beautiful girlfriend.

1158
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: You're in great shape, all right.

1159
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: DraftKings did release its win total, so we both talked

1160
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: about the power of Kirk Cousins. Atlanta is a shocking

1161
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: ten and a half over under and the Vikings, who

1162
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: I think are stacked offensively, are at six and a half.

1163
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: That's Kirk Cousins. Let me throw another one at you,

1164
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: this one. So I when the Jets last year had

1165
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, I said, listen, the history of old quarterbacks

1166
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: is they got to have good old lines. Russell Wilson's

1167
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: first year in Denver, they didn't. He's stunk. Stafford Rams did.

1168
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: Then his third year, I think it was they didn't.

1169
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: He struggled.

1170
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: Brady's first year in Tampa Exte they had injuries. It

1171
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: wasn't as good. You can't have a forty year old.

1172
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: That's why Atlanta for Kirk Cousins works. That's a really

1173
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: good old line. That's why Jared Goff works. He's younger,

1174
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: but great old line. So the Jets have signed some

1175
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: kind of like Tyron Smith, who will play about thirteen

1176
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: games a year, kid from the Ravens. The Jets are

1177
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: nine and a half, and I'm like time out. If

1178
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: you look at the AFC, Deshaun Watson's back, you know,

1179
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Herbert's got a legitimate coach. C. J. Stroud is moving

1180
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: up fast. Trevor Lawrence will be healthy. You know two

1181
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: of Mike McDaniels are going nowhere. Josh Allen now has

1182
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: between kN Kaid and Cook has some really nice offensive weapons.

1183
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: I look at the Jets and nine and a half

1184
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: and I think, boy, you are that's a bad old

1185
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: line for an old quarterback of an achilles surgery. I

1186
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: said it this year during the season. Aaron being relevant

1187
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,959
Speaker 1: in January to me is over. It's nothing against Aaron,

1188
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: It's just old quarterbacks and crappy on lines don't work.

1189
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: What do you make on No, I would bet the

1190
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: under on that all day.

1191
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 3: Well, I've been down on them, but if I wanted

1192
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: to make the case, Miami just lost a ton of talent. Yes,

1193
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: they had a lot of guys walk out the door.

1194
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 3: They also lost Vick Fangio and their defense was already

1195
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 3: in question, and Vic called them out, thinking like no

1196
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: one wants to focus. And I think a lot has

1197
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: to do with the city they live in. Are they

1198
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 3: about to pay two of forty five to fifty million

1199
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 3: dollars a year? Because if they do, I'm out, And

1200
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: so to me, Miami still has some question marks. Even

1201
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: if we all agree Mike is a great play caller quarterback,

1202
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not sold on. And defensively, I mean, they

1203
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: just lost their best defensive player. He just walked in

1204
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: free agency the Patriots. Now the Jets finally beat him.

1205
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: I think week whatever, the last week of the season

1206
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: have owned The Jets didn't Bill beat him like eight

1207
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 3: straight seasons swept him. Well, Bill's gone. I think the

1208
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: Patriots got a couple of years of coming to Jesus,

1209
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: and Robert Craft is about to find out what the

1210
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 3: NFL is really like. It could be ugly there and

1211
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: then the Bills. Like whenever I see the Super Bowl

1212
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: windows closed, I laugh. As long as you have Josh Allen.

1213
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: When you have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes,

1214
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 3: your roster can be in flux. You got a chance.

1215
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: But the Jets did beat them in one game last year,

1216
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: so I'd have to look at the rest of their schedule.

1217
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: I eight to nine wins best. That's assuming Aaron Rodgers,

1218
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: who was facing you, go back, because part of Russell

1219
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: Wilson isn't just the last two years. Remember the last

1220
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: year in Seattle. So now it's a body of work

1221
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: going the wrong way. Aaron, the last year in Green Bay,

1222
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: something was off. It might have just been age. In

1223
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 3: the history of sports, most guys at thirty eight thirty

1224
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: nine aren't trending the wrong way. I know he's a

1225
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 3: healthy guy. He looks good, but he wasn't quite as fast.

1226
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: His arms still there, But a huge part of his

1227
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: ability was the ad lib that made him a great.

1228
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: Play John the analytics Greg Cosell and Warren Sharp and

1229
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: others were on this. Aaron's analytics is he just didn't

1230
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: run anymore, like and if he doesn't run, I mean, say.

1231
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 3: What, he's not as fast probably anymore. So he doesn't

1232
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 3: want to risk getting tackled or hit.

1233
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, old guys don't want to get hit. I mean,

1234
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, Eli Manning and Brady Mastered get rid of

1235
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: it quick or figure out how to roll and not

1236
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: get hit. So I don't think Aaron. I also think

1237
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: Aaron isn't quite as committed as a lot of the

1238
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: young guys that are really bigger, stronger, And I think

1239
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: the only way to be good is sort of to

1240
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: be focused like Kirk cousins later or obsessed like Brady.

1241
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a way to be casually and Aaron,

1242
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, I've heard this from multiple people. Aaron, He's

1243
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: not going to sit and watch game film all weekend.

1244
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: That's not what he's going to do as a personality.

1245
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: He's going to read some things and listen in the

1246
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: music and do his own thing. He is not Brady

1247
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: on the film. He's not Peyton, he's not Breeze as

1248
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: a workaholic. Aaron is one of those guys.

1249
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: He had more physical capability than those guys.

1250
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: It's like a rock star, you know. The Bonos and

1251
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: the bands edges that have survived didn't have long periods

1252
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: of drug use, like they took care of their boy,

1253
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: they partied, but they have aged very well. The bands

1254
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: that didn't haven't. Like I think Aaron didn't quite take

1255
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: the same level of care, and I think he's aging

1256
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: faster than other guys.

1257
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if he can't move anywhere remotely like

1258
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 3: he used to, that's the problem. The one thing he

1259
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: has going that Peyton lost, Breeze lost rob Their arms

1260
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 3: failed them. You know, Rogers arm is still strong, so

1261
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 3: to me, he's still going to be able to function.

1262
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: But I think his day, the day and age of

1263
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 3: him just being some lock elite player, it's been gone

1264
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: now for a couple of years, and I just think

1265
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: the question now is the pressure on the offensive coordinator, which,

1266
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 3: let's face it, if you just pulled people in the NFL,

1267
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 3: Isnate hack it any good or is he not any good?

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Speaker 3: Most people say he's not any good, And then the

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Speaker 3: other reason he's there is because he messes with Aaron.

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Speaker 3: So is Aaron just telling him what to do? Like,

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Speaker 3: there's got to be a little give and take. And

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Speaker 3: you saw how many times this year with Aaron shaking

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Speaker 3: his head, you know, with play calls when he would

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Speaker 3: show up. It's just I think it's got a chance

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01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: to be a pat They do have some players that

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01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: there's no disputing that they have impact players on both

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Speaker 3: sides of the ball. But if you can't protect a

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Speaker 3: quarterback who now can't really move Jared Goff, like you said,

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01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: can't move, we's got arguably the best offensive line in

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01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 3: the league doesn't need to move well. If these guys,

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01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 3: if Smith gets hurt, if Moses gets hurt, if their

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01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 3: intier offensive line isn't any good, you're sitting duck. Even

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01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson kept them alive last year because he just

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01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 3: kind of scramble around. And so yeah, I think the

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Speaker 3: Jets are fascinating that division, though. I think I think

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Speaker 3: Miami could be in for uh come back to the

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Speaker 3: to the the average a little bit, and the Patriots

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Speaker 3: are in for real NFL life now. The other thing,

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Speaker 3: I saw the Cowboys like ten and a half too.

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Speaker 3: That seems a little high. I mean they've lost a

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Speaker 3: lot of players.

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Speaker 1: So by the way, Niners, Ravens, Chiefs eleven and a half.

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Speaker 1: I tend to bet the enders once you get into

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: that space. Lions, Packers, Eagles, Bill's, Bengals, Dolphins, Falcons, Cowboys, Falcons,

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Speaker 1: the head scratcher a little bit ten and a half,

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01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: Texans Jets nine and a half. I'd buy that with

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Speaker 1: the Texans, I don't with the Jets. Rams pull back

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01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: to eight and a half. I think Aaron Donald they

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Speaker 1: subtract a win. I thought they would be nine and

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01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: a half ish, Viking's very low, Kirk Cousin's not there,

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01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: and Patriots Panthers at four and a half, Titans Broncos

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01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: five and a half. Again, I do believe with the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to draft a quarter and I think,

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01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, bon Nicks would win immediately

1305
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: because I think he's got sixty one starts. I just interview.

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: I talked to the kid last week for thirty minutes,

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Speaker 1: thirty five minutes on and off the air.

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Speaker 3: He's just a grown up.

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: He's ready to play NFL football, whether or not you

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01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: think he has this high ceiling. That kid's seen it.

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01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, he said five offensive coordinators in five years,

1312
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: and he's worked with all of them. He's gonna work.

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Speaker 3: I think adversity has proven to matter a lot with

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 3: a lot of these quarterbacks that have had some struggles

1315
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 3: in college, like Mahomes wasn't winning a lot. Josh Allen

1316
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 3: was told, we don't have scholarships for you, right. Lamar

1317
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 3: Jackson tumbled in the draft. Bo Nick's got his ass

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01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 3: kicked in the SEC. I mean he was even when

1319
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 3: he transferred to Oregon. So yeah, I'm fascinated by him.

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Speaker 3: I think he needs to go to the right spot.

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Speaker 3: And Sean Payton, I mean, let's face they're kind of

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01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: desperate right now. I guess they could just kind of

1323
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 3: roll it over a year, But I don't think Sean

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Speaker 3: Payton's making eighteen million dollars a year to try to

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01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 3: win four or five games. Like he's going to try

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01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 3: to compete immediately in that division now with Harbaugh, and

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01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 3: it got a lot harder even the Raiders. I don't

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01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: know if Pierce is going to be a great head coach.

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Speaker 3: They do have impact players. They're not like an easy

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Speaker 3: team to play.

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Speaker 1: No, No, They've I've said this for years. The Raiders

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01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: have five or six and they have key positions star receiver,

1333
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: rush and left tackle, like if they could get a

1334
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: quarterback right. I don't doubt the Raiders because the shit

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01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, I thought they were

1336
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: really competitive, playing with a lot of fire and purpose

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01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: with Aidan O'Connell. So I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I was in the car today and

1339
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: it turned you on right as you were talking to

1340
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 3: Mick Cronin about his struggles, and he gave the line,

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01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 3: I still turn left on Sunset. That's one of the

1342
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 3: greatest lines I've ever heard. I don't think whether you

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01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 3: win eight games or you win thirty, I still turn

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01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: left on Sunset. That's that's an all timer.

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01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he comes over that hill from Encino. It's a

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01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: left right by the Circular Hotel and you go left

1347
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: on Sunset into bell Air, then Beverly Hills, then right

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01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: to UCLA. It's pretty good life.

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Speaker 3: I haven't been to every campus in America, but when

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01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 3: you walk on UCLA's campus there there's got to be

1351
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: a short list of campuses compete with that. Oh no,

1352
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 3: there's I don't think there's anything like it.

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01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: God, I mean USC Stanford. You know, there's it's La,

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01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: it's it's the Bay Area. But nope, there's nothing like

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Speaker 1: UCLAB ever being to do. John Middlecoff, former NFL scouty.

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01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: His podcast is three and Out, chopped it up for

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Speaker 1: a little over an hour this week. Loved seeing you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk in a week.

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01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 3: Okay to see you call.

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Speaker 1: The volume. Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed

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