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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: It's almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm here today. I'm excited to be here. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: be a big interview. I'm gonna be having a conversation

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Speaker 3: that I can promise you will be very interesting. My

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Speaker 3: guest is someone who made waves and Bachelor Nation and

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Speaker 3: then continued to keep us on edge and at times

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Speaker 3: perplexed us after his time on the show. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: talk about his breakup, his celibacy, and more Bachelor to

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Speaker 3: Bachelor content. Please welcome Grant Ellis to the Almost Famous Podcast. Grant,

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Speaker 3: we have a lot to talk about today. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you saw. You're obviously in Los Angeles right now.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about some of the stuff you're

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Speaker 3: up to in LA. But we just had my co host, Ashley,

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Speaker 3: had an interview with Letia just a few days ago.

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Speaker 2: She told us.

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Speaker 3: Some of the behind the scenes to your season. It's

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Speaker 3: only fair that we also get your perspective on some

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Speaker 3: of the things that we.

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Speaker 2: Talked about with her.

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Speaker 3: But before we get started, Grant, welcome to the Listener's podcast.

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Speaker 4: And you guys are having me have Yeah, I saw

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Speaker 4: the podcast with Latia, and I would love to give

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Speaker 4: you my perspective because obviously it's one side to the

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Speaker 4: to the equation, but I would love to Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 5: Love to dive in. Thanks for having me, guys.

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Speaker 3: Before we kind of get into the meat of this,

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Speaker 3: there's so many things I want to talk to you about.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about this this deal

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Speaker 3: that we've seen you talk promoting called the Reality Games.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us what this is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just one of my really good friends has

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Speaker 4: a pretty big agency out here and he's hosting The

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Speaker 4: Reality Games. Is some some influencers, some of the top

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Speaker 4: influences in the space, from some guys from Love Island,

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Speaker 4: some people I would be the representation from Bachelor Nation

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Speaker 4: and it's we're team captain's and we're hosting like a combine.

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Speaker 4: Is gonna be dodgeball, basketball football for a prize, and

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Speaker 4: it's all going to be streamed on Twitch. So it's

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Speaker 4: a good way to to reach a new audience, to

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Speaker 4: reach the younger audience and just send a positive, positive message.

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Speaker 3: Now, I also saw it's going to be held in

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Speaker 3: the professional soccer stadium there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how many people will be there live I'm.

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Speaker 4: Not sure how many people are gonna be there, but

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Speaker 4: it is. We're gonna We're inviting one hundred kids. It's

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Speaker 4: the largest toy drive in America, so there's gonna be

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Speaker 4: a lot of kids there. There's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 4: of family, a lot of friends, and it's gonna be

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Speaker 4: streamed live on the internet.

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Speaker 5: So it's gonna be it's a it's a pretty cool event.

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Speaker 2: When's it taking place?

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Speaker 5: December thirteenth is the date.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so there's a you have a little bit of time.

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Speaker 3: Who else in Bachelor Nation is going to be a

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Speaker 3: part of it?

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Speaker 4: I know my friend Brandon Jones actually drafted him from

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Speaker 4: I think he was from Michelle season.

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Speaker 5: But that's gonna be really it from Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 4: We're kind of like, you know, we got a couple

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Speaker 4: people in Bachlin Nation, a couple people in Love Island,

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Speaker 4: a cop from a different other reality shows.

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Speaker 2: So okay, cool.

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Speaker 3: So if somebody wants to watch this, twitch would be

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Speaker 3: the best place, best platform to tune in December thirteenth.

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Speaker 3: You said it will be live watching some of your

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Speaker 3: favorite people from Love Island. Dat donations some of the

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Speaker 3: other shows compete for the reality Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Is that a fair way to say it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, it's the first it's the first one.

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Speaker 4: So we're hoping to get it off with a good

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Speaker 4: start and also helping me promoting get my message out

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Speaker 4: there on my Twitch. So yeah, December thirteenth, it'll be

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Speaker 4: live and it'll be it'll be a good show.

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Speaker 5: Awesome.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's dive into some of the things that

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Speaker 3: we want to hear from you about Grant. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: we had a Latie on the podcast. The episode has

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Speaker 3: You said you were trying to talk through the process

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Speaker 2: So who is telling the truth?

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Speaker 4: Since the airing of the show, I think, obviously I

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Speaker 4: understand Latia's perspective. I understand that she was her, but

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Speaker 4: I mean, she also said that I told people that

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Speaker 4: I slept with Juliana. She went on a podcast, so

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Speaker 4: she said a lot of things that I didn't say.

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Speaker 4: And you know, they're all behind camera, and that's fine.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's allowed to have their opinion, our perspective. But I

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Speaker 4: miked up, and you know, when you sign a contract

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Speaker 4: be the lead, they could very easy dependent on what

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Speaker 4: when I was doing the show, I was very careful

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Speaker 4: I don't think it would be very smart of me

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Speaker 4: somebody that they're my person when I'm dating, you know,

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Speaker 4: twenty six twenty five with the woman. Now, what I

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Speaker 4: did tell her, I did tell her I loved her

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Speaker 4: my heart was in a tough place, you know, I

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Speaker 4: put my all into it, and yeah, that's that you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't really have much to speak on it, and

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Speaker 5: But I will say that's not true.

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Speaker 4: And there's the reason why everything is up for interpretation

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Speaker 4: I don't think that she was the most honest with

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Speaker 4: it's okay. I mean, I don't really appreciate some of

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Speaker 4: where she's coming from, and she's a great human and

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Speaker 4: I'm sure she doesn't mean any any mal intent.

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Speaker 5: So that's all I have to say on that.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything if?

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Speaker 3: I mean, she was obviously just on the show, she

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I can relate with you with the

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Speaker 3: trying to navigate and say the appropriate things and the

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Speaker 3: right things. I've never shied away from the things I said.

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Speaker 3: I'm not like proud of them. I don't think it

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Speaker 3: what would you want to tell her?

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Speaker 4: I would just first of all, I would just apologize, Like,

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Speaker 4: I know how hard of a situation it is to

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Speaker 5: I didn't mean for things to go that way.

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Speaker 4: It was a difficult choice, but I had to. I

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Speaker 4: don't think you know. Me and Latia had a very

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Speaker 4: strong connection, you know what I'm saying. We we even

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Speaker 4: I genuinely, I genuinely love Latia. But to say that

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Speaker 5: I'm a really bad person.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think I went in there with with

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Speaker 5: I think I went in there trying to find my partner.

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Speaker 5: I had feelings.

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Speaker 4: I told her how I felt, but I didn't make

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Speaker 4: I would just say I'm sorry for how you feel,

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Speaker 3: The whole experience is wild, and obviously the end, the

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Speaker 4: Well, honestly, you know my confidence, I just see I

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Speaker 4: But I ultimately went with who I felt I could

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Speaker 5: You know, I've been in two serious relationships.

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Speaker 4: I went with who I felt most comfortable with in

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Speaker 4: No I wasn't going to decide on who I was

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Speaker 5: So no, I didn't. I just went in there and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, there's this world in which it

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Speaker 4: loose and be myself. But at the same time, when

440
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 4: you're a lead of color, you can't I know, it's

441
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 4: not really talked about as much, but you could be yourself,

442
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 4: but you're gonna get backlash either way. So I guess

443
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say without making too much sense,

444
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 4: is like I could have been more myself, but I'm

445
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 4: happy that I was a gentleman during the show, regardless

446
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 4: of what people said. I tried to handle situations like

447
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 4: a gentleman and I did. I did the best. I

448
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 4: did the best that I could, so I don't have

449
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 4: any regrets. But looking back at the show, maybe I

450
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 4: wouldn't have crashed out so hard pull show.

451
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's one thing we just didn't

452
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 3: see you crashing out. I don't know, if you know,

453
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 3: I don't know how you can't really uh share sometimes,

454
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 3: you know, if you're crashing out. You don't want to

455
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 3: share that stuff. It's personal and it's kind of how

456
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: you need to, you know, navigate it. But I do

457
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 3: think because of your lack of vulnerability in that moment

458
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 3: and kind of saying things like I'm not heartbroken, people

459
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,479
Speaker 3: are thought, oh, he's he's doing okay, and it's just cold,

460
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: instead of showing you know what you're really feeling, who

461
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 3: you truly are. And as you said, you got backlash

462
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: from this, and I think every league gets backlash. It's

463
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 3: nobody's immune to it. Nobody has been immune to it.

464
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 3: Some get more than others and some get it. You know,

465
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 3: sometimes a backlash is more loud than others. How did

466
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 3: you process through the criticisms and the backlash? And I

467
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 3: remember you commented and it's kind of even hard to

468
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: bring up because I know this does feel like a

469
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 3: loud criticism, but you commented on it where people were

470
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: blaming you for the ending of the show. And we

471
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:23,719
Speaker 3: don't know if the show is going to come back

472
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 3: or not. We don't know if the show will have

473
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: another Bachelor season. I expect it too, But those are

474
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 3: big things placed on your shoulders in that moment.

475
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,959
Speaker 2: Those are heavy words. So how did you deal with it?

476
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: How are you dealing with it?

477
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Speaker 4: Listen, I've been through a lot worse things in my life. Honestly,

478
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 4: if you want me to be real, and this is

479
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 4: what I told myself, like I'm going.

480
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: To I want you to be real because that's the

481
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 3: only way things come across good.

482
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Speaker 4: Like, I don't, I really don't really don't give what

483
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 4: people say about me at this point in my life.

484
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 4: I know that's very, very shrewd. But you know, if

485
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: people want to blame me for the ending of the

486
00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 4: show where they say this.

487
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 5: Is I know myself.

488
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 4: I know the way I was raised, I know what

489
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 4: I've been through, and I know my morals and value.

490
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 5: So people don't understand that, or they don't understand.

491
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: Me, or they you know, however things went down, it's

492
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 4: just like yo, okay, like I'm glad to take your opinion,

493
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: and you know what I'm saying.

494
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 5: I'm going to move forward my life.

495
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 4: You move forward your life, So I'm not gonna I'm

496
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 4: not going to try to, you know, appease people or

497
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 4: make them see my my viewpoint and excuse me. I

498
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: just I really don't. I don't care. I'm not gonna.

499
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna let my mind be consumed by that.

500
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 4: Just move forward and move on.

501
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Speaker 3: You know, how has your relationship with social media been

502
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: transformed then as of recently? I mean, we've we've seen

503
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: you talk about your faith openly, We've taught you see

504
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: we've seen you recently talk about your pursuit of celibacy.

505
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: Right those are I mean, I I just got back

506
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 3: midnight last night from a pastor's conference and a and

507
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 3: a gathering. The guy that runs it would be mad

508
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 3: if I called it a conference. It's a gathering. As

509
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 3: somebody of faith myself it is. It was more of

510
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 3: a It was a rock to fall back on, a

511
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: solid foundation for me through the process of all the

512
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: trysts and turns. People are gonna throw roses at your feet.

513
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: People are gonna throw stones at your feet, Grant, you

514
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: got to pick me either up. And so this process

515
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: afterwards of fame and social media is a wild ride.

516
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 3: And so I would love to get a perspective on

517
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 3: how you are handling it and why you are saying

518
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: the things you're saying publicly talking about your faith is awesome.

519
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: Claiming celibacy now for however long that's a big comment

520
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 3: that could definitely come back to bite you at some

521
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: point if that, you know, changes, Yeah, And.

522
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Speaker 5: Honestly, man, like I said, I really don't. I really

523
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 5: don't like if if people listen, I'm going to live

524
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 5: my life. And the reason why I stated that is

525
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 5: because I was Celement before the show, which you know,

526
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 5: by choice, by choice, you.

527
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 4: Know, I had been in a seven year relationship and

528
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 4: that ended, and I was very hurt, and I decided

529
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to you know, because when you get

530
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 4: physically involved with somebody, it speeds up to things and

531
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 4: you could and you know what I'm saying, you could

532
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 4: definitely make some wrong move. So I just decided that

533
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 4: until I am a celibate, was abstinent. Until I know

534
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 4: somebody's my person, or I am in a very committed

535
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 4: relationship that's headed towards marriage, I'm not going to be

536
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 4: out there looking for a relationship that way, you know.

537
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 5: So that's something I still stand by.

538
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 4: And you know, the way that I've the way that

539
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 4: I've came across on social media or however, you know,

540
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: I wasn't on social media practice and I'm I'm getting

541
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: in new lanes where I could truly be myself and

542
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 4: be authentic, And you know, I I think that's the

543
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: beauty of going on a bachelor even though you know

544
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 4: my relationship and work, I've met so many great people.

545
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: It's helped me go into a new avenue in my

546
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 4: life and I'm grateful for that.

547
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 5: And if I could use kind of my.

548
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: Whatever gifts I have to spread a certain message or

549
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 4: be myself and be a positive impact, that's kind of

550
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 4: like what I what I want to do.

551
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: You brought up a point here I'm curious about if

552
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: you and I were sitting down at dinner and we

553
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: didn't have a couple hundred people a thousand people listening,

554
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: I'd ask you the same question. You know, I think

555
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 3: for me, one of the things I'm trying to figure out,

556
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 3: because you know, I want to usually connect with the

557
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: bachelors of the past. It's a wild ride, it's hard,

558
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: it's confusing. I think for me, one of the things

559
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: that you that makes you unique compared to other bachelors

560
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: is you promoted yourself, marketed yourself, branded yourself as this

561
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: very successful day trader. And I've worked in finance for

562
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: five years of my life. I was like, I've never

563
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: known anybody that day trades for a career. I know

564
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: people to manage wealth. I don't know anybody that day

565
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: trades for a career that's the hobby. But you did

566
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: do this, and it seemed, you know, you had the

567
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: videos in the cars and the big houses, and you know,

568
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: it was really kind of part of your brand. I think,

569
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: if you knew it or not, that you were a

570
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: successful day trader, right and now that is such a

571
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: small piece of what we're seeing from you. And so,

572
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 3: you know, you just said you're opening up new lanes

573
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: and everything. But I was like, man, this guy loves

574
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: loves finance, he loves investing, he loves the research. He

575
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: you know, you started a school for a period of

576
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: time to teach people how to do that, and that's

577
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: no longer there. So it feels like I'm having a

578
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: hard time tracking who you are and actually what you

579
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: are doing, like enjoy doing because you just said you're

580
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: opening up new lanes. But I was like, what about

581
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: the lanes that existed before?

582
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: No, so the school is definitely still there, just we

583
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 4: when you're trading in the markets and you're managing equity

584
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: to have you know, fifteen thirty people thirty fifty people

585
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: kind of watching you. It was cool, but then they

586
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 4: kind of it got to a point wheople were a

587
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: little bit reliant on me for.

588
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 5: You know, signals or their or their financial situation. And

589
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 5: that's something that I can't I can't condone.

590
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: Just to clarify there, you can't legally give investment advice,

591
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: is what you're saying.

592
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't leave.

593
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: So that's why when I trade in front of people,

594
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: I will pay per trade, but people on their own

595
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: merit will either go into their accounts or do this

596
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: or do that. And for me, when people are calling

597
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 4: my phone like oh, like oh, we want to see

598
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: people don't. A lot of people that join those groups

599
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: they don't know the work that it takes to be able.

600
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: And I've been traded this my six year trading and

601
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 4: my first three four years you know, I was just

602
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: ten years losing. So and when people go into these groups,

603
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: they expect instant results when that's not you know, I'm

604
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 4: an educator.

605
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 5: I will give you, I will give you the I'll

606
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 5: give you the rod, but you have to fish for yourself,

607
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So I still teach. I

608
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 5: do it on an individual basis now and that's but

609
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 5: that's my life.

610
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: That's what I've been doing for the last six years,

611
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 4: is what I put continuous hours of work into. But

612
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: also there's also other things I like do. I like music,

613
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: I like to create. I'm a creative and I think

614
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: that big part of what I really what I really

615
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: did not like about what really turned me off to

616
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: some of the things in Bachelor Nation was there's this

617
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: connotation that you have to just be in love. You

618
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: can't do this, you can't do that, and if you

619
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: do anything else, you're doing it for the wrong reason.

620
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: And for me, I've always went against the green.

621
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: I don't really care what people think about me because

622
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 4: I know myself and I know the type of.

623
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 5: Person I am.

624
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 4: So when I go in there and I put out

625
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: a song or I put on this or that, regardless

626
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 4: of whatever it's like, if you don't, I'm not going

627
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 4: to pander just how somebody wants me to act. You

628
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, just because I'm I guessaid, I'm

629
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: a day trader. Like I've always went against the green,

630
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: so you know what I'm saying. In the corporate in

631
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 4: the corporate world, you kind of have to be that way,

632
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: but I've never been corporate, so I think that was

633
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: another reason why people don't really understand me. And it's

634
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: okay being misunderstood sometimes because I know I know myself,

635
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

636
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I mean I do know what you're saying,

637
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: because I think I've been in that world. But I

638
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: think the narrative was this was your job, you loved it.

639
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: You know, you're driving the fancy cars, you got the

640
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: big house, you're crushing it some you know. I think

641
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: the part of the intrigue was you were the bachelor,

642
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: some you were going to end up with somebody from

643
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: the show, and they were going to enter into this

644
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: really like stable I think would be the word. I'd use,

645
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: life of financial freedom and comfort and all those things.

646
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: And then you know that has been a piece that's

647
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: been missing. But I think the part that confused me

648
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: was you don't have your series seven, so you cannot

649
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: be trading.

650
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: Well let me, let's let me just so a series

651
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: seven is for financial advice.

652
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 5: I don't give financial advice.

653
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. You couldn't give that to people,

654
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, that confusing, No, but that's.

655
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: I never In the beginning of my of my course

656
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: of my class, I had a disclaimer like, this is

657
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: not financial advice. What you do in a situation like

658
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 4: that where you covered legally, is you pay per trade.

659
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 5: Is you trade on a paper account.

660
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: You might have your own live funds on the side,

661
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: but you pay trade on paper account and you teach

662
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 4: while people are also following what you're doing. So there's

663
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: no Series seven needed for that because you're covered by

664
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 4: You're covered by your paper trading. Now, if I were

665
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: to be trading actual live funds or giving stock advice,

666
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 4: like I remember, I was on Good Morning in America

667
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: and I gave a stop clearpoint neuro which was trading

668
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: at like thirteen dollars is now it's almost like sixty

669
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: dollars now. But I had to take it back because

670
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: I'm not I don't have my Series seven, so you

671
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. That's when I just was like, oh, well,

672
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: just invest in SMP, you know what I'm saying, because

673
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: that's pretty pretty nuanced advice. It's pretty it's something that

674
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: everybody does. So with that, yeah, with in terms of

675
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 4: the day training thing and in terms of how they

676
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: portrayed me, on the show. I never want I never

677
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: want marketed to myself like that, you know what I'm saying.

678
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: I just that was how they chose to market me.

679
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: I didn't tell them to do that, obviously. You know,

680
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 4: I love what I love what I do for work,

681
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: and you know I'm always willing to grow and learn

682
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: and experiences. So yeah, with the whole, with the whole,

683
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: in terms of how they marketed me, are with with

684
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: my series seven, I just I choose not not to

685
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 4: get that because I don't.

686
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 5: That's not my job to give people advice in what stocks.

687
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 5: My job is to get on.

688
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: Here every day show people how to maneuver through the

689
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: market and and how to be steady in that in

690
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: that space, and that's what that's what I still do.

691
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm not my claim was not that

692
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: you necessary. I mean, I think there was moments like

693
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: on social media that maybe pointed to that, but I

694
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: think the show really kind of marketed that, and I

695
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: think it is why the aftermath of the show has

696
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: been confusing, because it feels like that huge storyline, uh

697
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: that hasn't disappeared. I know it's still a thing that

698
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: you do, but it's not a piece of what we're

699
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: seeing from you anymore, Uh is the you know, is

700
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: the finance guy.

701
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: I don't really want that to be like with with

702
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 5: with with data.

703
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: Like I just finished up teaching before a class before

704
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: this podcast. I had a class, and what I do

705
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: I like to do, and I don't want that to be.

706
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 5: My my persona like that.

707
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: I never, I never, you know, it's something that I

708
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 4: love doing, but I would I used my day trading

709
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: and the promise that I would drawer in the market

710
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: to fuel other projects, to fuel other things that I

711
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: like to do. You know, day trading is just a

712
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 4: means two for me to be supportive financially, and you know,

713
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: it gives me the time and freedom to do things

714
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: that I like, whether that's making music or doing a

715
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: play or doing some things like that.

716
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't want to really be known as

717
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 5: a finance bro.

718
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: I think that's like, you know, I do do that,

719
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: but there's so many other aspects to me that you

720
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: know obviously on the show, you know, they show we

721
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: did a concert with Mario and certain things like that,

722
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: and I'm playing the piano, so there were other sides

723
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: of me just wasn't traditional. So I guess it wasn't

724
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: as well received as like finance or something like day Trading.

725
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I can see that path, so let's

726
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: get into that stuff then. I mean, obviously we knew

727
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 3: you from day Trading, as we said, from being the Bachelor,

728
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 3: but you are excited about other things happening in your life.

729
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: We start out this whole show talking about the reality games.

730
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: You also are in the process. I think via your

731
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: social media you've kind of started to be You're inspired

732
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: by Hitch and you're trying to start this like dating

733
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: show called Spin the Block. Right, you also are enjoying music.

734
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: I think during your season I see here in my

735
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: notes you came out with a couple songs. So what

736
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: I mean if day Trading is, if we're making sense

737
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 3: of all this, day Trading is your stable day to day,

738
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: what opportunities do you want to pursue next? Like with

739
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: the dreams that you had as a kid, grant with

740
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: the opportunities that you've now been given.

741
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: Where do you want to see all this go?

742
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 5: Yeah?

743
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: I think for me, I'm just in a position or

744
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: a point where I want to be a positive, positive influence, right,

745
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: And obviously things that not work out that way on

746
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 4: The Bachelor. And but like I said, I have a

747
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 4: very specific skill set which allows me to.

748
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 5: Allocate funds a certain projects.

749
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 4: So the next thing that I'm willing to do is

750
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 4: that I want to do, is I have the We

751
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: have the reality Games coming up, which is going to

752
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 4: be some of some pretty big influences. There is going

753
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: to be a really good, so really good opportunity, opportunity

754
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: for exposure. And you know, I'm working on my pilot

755
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: episode to pitch to a couple all companies on this

756
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: idea of spin the Block.

757
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 5: And it's not me giving dating advice like people jump

758
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 5: to conclusions.

759
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 4: It's just me teaching men how to how to court

760
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: a woman or how to talk to a woman. But

761
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 4: do it intentionally, right, because a lot of men struggle

762
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: in the area. And you know, I was the Bachelor

763
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: for a reason, so I think that that's a good way.

764
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: It's not me giving relationship advice because clearly I'm not

765
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: in a relationship. It is me taking a man who's

766
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 4: considered average and leveling out, teaching him how to dress,

767
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: how to talk, how to have that swag, and to

768
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 4: get the woman that he wants, and then what he

769
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 4: does from there.

770
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 5: That's that's that's up to him.

771
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: So it is very hitch like.

772
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 5: It's very hitch like. It's very hitchlike.

773
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: And I'm utilizing you know, the Reality Games exposure and

774
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: some of the connections I have through that with some

775
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: pretty big agencies to try to to really get this

776
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: thing off the ground, and my plan is for it

777
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 4: to be out in the new year.

778
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: The Reality Games is a huge then if I'm understanding

779
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: this correctly, it's a huge moment for you. You're really you're

780
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: really like sold out on her the hope of the

781
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: success of this thing, of the people that you're going

782
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 3: to meet through it. So if you were here today saying, hey,

783
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: and if I ask you the question what's the most

784
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: important project in your life right now?

785
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: Reality games?

786
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 5: Things like that.

787
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: The reality So the Reality Games isn't like like if

788
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 4: it does well or now, I'm still going to progress forward.

789
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 4: But the obviously like that I said, the most important thing.

790
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 4: My number one thing that I do behind the scenes

791
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 4: is trading. Like if you look here, I was actually

792
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 4: I'm like, while we're doing is I still I'm looking

793
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: at the market as well, or like that's that's number one.

794
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 4: That is like my life's work. But I don't want

795
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 4: to be known as just the finance guy. I think

796
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: my creative side. I like being a creative So yeah,

797
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 4: I think that this hitch project or Spend the Block

798
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: is a way for me. It's probably my most important

799
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: project because it's a way for people to see me outside.

800
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: If anybody even pays attention, hopefully I get a new

801
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 4: audience base. But it's a way for people to see

802
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: me outside of the Bachelor. When you're the Bachelor, they

803
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: definitely you know, they dress you up, they planning to

804
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 4: help you plan your dates, and you know some of

805
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: the things like I didn't resonate.

806
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 5: With that as well as I as I should have.

807
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 4: So spin a Block is a way for people to

808
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: see me and my view of dating and how I

809
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 4: would approach it if it was like.

810
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: Me, you know what I'm saying, Well, it's it leads

811
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: me right into like one of my final questions for

812
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: you here, if you're going to be assisting others in

813
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: leveling up in the dating world, are you currently dating,

814
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: have you dated since Juliana?

815
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: Are you on the market?

816
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: Listen with me, and I'm going to be very transparent here,

817
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 4: Like I am very cautious with what I do in

818
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: the dating space. I've never had an issue with with

819
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: with that department. You know, it's very easy in the

820
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 4: world to get women or but that's not what I'm

821
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 4: looking for. I want something very stable. I want something

822
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 4: very I want something that I'm committed. I don't much

823
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: is anybody, So for me, I take my time. That's

824
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: why I'm absent right now. I know the importance of

825
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: that and taking your time. But like I said, there's

826
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 4: other younger men out there that may not be able

827
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: to even get a date or really don't you know,

828
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: they maybe they don't have the means or the finances

829
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 4: to be able to date, or they don't have the

830
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: right clothes, or they don't how to talk, or they

831
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 4: don't or they lack of confidence. And regardless of what

832
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: anybody thinks, you know, I think spending the day with

833
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 4: somebody who was who was the previous batcheler and showing

834
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: them a lifestyle or showing them kind of how to

835
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: course somebody and kind of keep still have that swag

836
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 4: but be traditional. I think that's there's a blend of both.

837
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's kind of like in a nutshell, what

838
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: I'm working on in my next project, and I plan

839
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: on utilizing my trading to fund to fund this project.

840
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: But are you dating?

841
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 5: No, I'm pretty much not dating right now. I'm not

842
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 5: seeing anybody right now. I'm hanging out, hanging out. I'm

843
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 5: hanging out. I'm working right now, Grant.

844
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: For any out there listening as we kind of close

845
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: this up, taking in, you know, trying to go walk

846
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: through this show, clearing out some misconceptions, confronting some things

847
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: said obviously from Letia and then also others, and working

848
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 3: into where your life sits now. For listeners out there

849
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: that are like, hey, I want to kind of get

850
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: closure to all of this or to understand where Grant

851
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: is going, what would you say to the listeners, to

852
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: the fans of the show who have walked through this,

853
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 3: you know, hour long episode with us.

854
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just first of all, I would say

855
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: thank you guys, I appreciate those the support, and yeah,

856
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 4: I think just finishing it off. You know, I said,

857
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: I did my best and my tenure as a bachelor,

858
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: try to be a good example, and I think for

859
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 4: those of you that support me, thank you. And for

860
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: those of you that don't really like me or misunderstood

861
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 4: I understand, and you know it's it's okay. You're not

862
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: going to be received well by everybody, but I appreciate

863
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 4: you for tuning into the journey.

864
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 3: Grant Ellis, thanks for jumping on the Almost Famous podcast again.

865
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: The Reality Games is going to happen on Twitch December thirteenth.

866
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: Real quick, is this?

867
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: Is it a Netflix deal or what is just a No, It's.

868
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 4: It's on Twitch and different streaming platforms, so it's mainly

869
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 4: through Twitch. So there's a company called Meme House which

870
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 4: does really big events out here in LA and they're

871
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: they're hosting it. It's at Beamo Stadium on Twitch.

872
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big deal.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and then also look for Grant to possibly launch

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Speaker 3: Spin the Block in the upcoming year.

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Speaker 2: Grant Ellis, thanks for jumping on.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you guys for having me.

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