1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com? Chief, Chief McLellan, how's 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: everything going? Things aren't going to bad? Men are taking 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: them pretty good. Chief. Do you think we'll be able 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: to defeat these things? Well, we killed nineteen of them 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: today right in this area. And it was the last 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: three we caught trying to claw their way into an 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: abandoned ship. They must have thought somebody was in there. 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: We heard him making all kinds of noise. We came 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: over and beat them off, blasted them down. Chief. If 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: I were surrounded by sixth raight of these things, would 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: I stand a chance with him? Well, there's no problem. 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: If you had a gun, shoot him in the head. 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: That's a sure way to kill him. If you don't 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: get yourself a club, retorch beat him or burn them, 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 1: they go up pretty easy. Well, Chief McLelland how long 18 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: do you think it will take you until you get 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: the situation under control? Well that's pretty hard to say. 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: We don't know how many of them are. Are we 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: know when we find them we can kill them. Are 22 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: they slow moving? Chief? Yeah? They're dead up and with that, 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: Mr George A. Romero pretty much set the scene for 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: all zombie movies to follow. Thanks for tuning in. This 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: is stuff you should know. I'm Josh Clark. This is 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: Charles W. Brain Eater, brilliant, Hey, and welcome to the podcast. Yeah, thanks, Chuck. 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: Somebody had to say it, right, yes, So how are 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: you doing? Try to get one of the zombies to 29 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: say it, that'd be pretty cool. I'm still wet. It's 30 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: still raining in Atlanta. Good lord, I feel like we 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: have remember that picture of the super cell I printed 32 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: out for the webcast, I feel like one of those 33 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: hovering picture in your wallet with you and show it 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: to people like kid, did you know that? In I 35 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: believe Ecuador, um once a year there's a heavy storm 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: and after about two hours of storm subsides and everybody 37 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: goes out and there's fish, dead fish laying everywhere, well 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: some still alive. The rain of fishes. The weird thing 39 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: is that they aren't found in any surrounding body of water, 40 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: nor are they saltwater fish. They are blind, underground dwellers 41 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: zombie fish. Well, yeah, let's use that as their segue. Cool, Chuck, 42 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: let's talk zombies. Alrighty, let's let's go with the real 43 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: stuff first. Did you know that there maybe such a 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: thing as real zombie? Yeah? I didn't know till I 45 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: read this. And where are you gonna go? If you 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: want to find a real zombie? You go to the source, man, 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: you go to the horse's mouth, you go to Haiti? Yes? 48 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Is that that was Serpent the Rainbow? Right? Yeah? It 49 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: was West Craven Flick mid High School for me, very 50 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: scary Bill Pullman. Yeah. And the weird thing is is 51 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: you know Wes Craven is not known for making um 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: movies based on true stories, but that one was. So 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: it's one of my heroes. The ethnobotanist and anthropologist Dr 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: Wade Davis, who is Harvard grad. I think he has 55 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: a doctorate and two uh bachelor's from Harvard to more 56 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: than me. Yeah, and um he went down to Haiti 57 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen eighties for what was called the 58 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: Zombie Project. Yes, because of a certain certain man drew 59 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: his attention. Right, how do you pronounce that, Claire Clarvius Narcies, Yeah, 60 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: that's how I pronounced it. Yeah. He started poking his 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: head around in nineteen eighty in a Haitian village and said, hey, 62 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: I died eighteen years ago. Yep, and uh. Apparently his 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: the similarity to UM his his original self. Uh, and 64 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: the facts that he knew about his former life passed 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: a battery of test questions. Yeah, that was enough to 66 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: make the make his friends family. I guess the estimates 67 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: about two people who saw him say that guy's a 68 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: zombie and I claimed a bocor brought him back to 69 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: life or brought him back to the undead state. Right, 70 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: Chuck so Clarvie shows up in night he had been. 71 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: The thing that makes him significant is that he had 72 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: been pronounced dead by American doctors, who apparently carry more 73 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: weight in the field of medicine and science. It was 74 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: documented that yeah, they documented his death. Um. So when 75 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: he showed up in nineteen eighty, he presented a substantial 76 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: case for the existence of zombies UM and a guy 77 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: named Dr Lamarck du Wan, who's a Haitian psychiatrist, interviewed him, 78 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: started interviewing boucour Um and got his hands on some 79 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: zombie powders right, and then entered Dr Wade Davis. Right. Now, 80 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: he wasn't the guy the originally said to go get 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: these powders, right now, That was Nathan Klein, right. He 82 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: wanted some of these powders to see if they could 83 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: be used as anesthetics and surgery. Yeah, which I don't 84 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: get that. Why not just use anesthetic unless I guess 85 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: he found some like cheaper, safer maybe anesthetics. Well, I mean, 86 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: if you come up with your own anesthetic, can imagine 87 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: there's some dollar amount attached to that. So let's talk 88 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: about this. He sends Dr Davis down to Haiti, and 89 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: Dr Davis kind of takes up where Dr do wan 90 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: Um left off, or maybe kind of takes over his research. 91 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: And uh, he himself interviews Boucore, which are again those 92 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: voodoo priests, and uh, interviews some of the zombies, some 93 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: of these undead people, right, so they said yeah, um, 94 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: and he uh, he comes to find that he concludes 95 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: that there is in fact such a thing as zombies. 96 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: They're specific to Haiti though as far as he can tell. 97 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: And it's it's a two step process, chuck. Uh. And 98 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: how to make someone a zombie, Well, first to have 99 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: to die, I would think, no, or is that a 100 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: three step process? I thought zombies had to be dead. First, 101 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: we're talking Haitian zombies. We'll get to the Hollywood zombie soon. Okay, Well, 102 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: the bocar has to capture their their soul with that 103 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: tibon age. Is that I suppose it's French? Right, Yeah, 104 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: that's apparently part of the soul directly connected to the individual, 105 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: and once he steal captures that, they are a zombie. Right. 106 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: That's that's Haitian folklore. Dr Davis, being a scientist, tried 107 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: to get beyond that. He found that most Haitians, most 108 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: educated Haitians, we should say, uh in those who live 109 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: in the city don't tend to believe in zombieism, even 110 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: those part of law it is. There's interesting what back 111 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: to eight thirty five, right yeah, Audicle two full six 112 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: of the Haitian Penal Code basically says that you can't 113 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: make someone a zombie, right that you'll be charged with 114 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: attempted murder or murder if the person actually manages to 115 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: get buried, even if they're not dead yet. For all 116 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: intents and purposes, it's still considered murder under Haitian law, 117 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: thank god. So okay, so Dr Davis gets past this 118 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: um this belief that's mainly held by rural, uneducated, poor 119 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: Haitians that the Bocore are um capable of sorcery and 120 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: can steal your soul. What do they get out of this? 121 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: That's what I could never pay because it is there 122 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: some money on the back end or something. No, no, 123 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: there's precisely no money involved, and it's not for any 124 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: personal gain their status. No. What it is is there 125 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: is a secret Haitian society called Bizango the Freemasons. No, 126 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: they're not the Freemasons, but they might as well be. Basically, 127 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: this is the group that de facto runs the country. 128 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: Um supposedly, but I mean this is this is a 129 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: documented this is from Davis's research. Um so the Bizango, Uh, 130 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: there are are not necessarily voodoo priests, but there are 131 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: voodoo priests who are part of the Bizango. And zombification 132 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: is only used in cases of punishment where a member 133 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: of the Bizango, say a family member, has gone against 134 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: the will of his or her family or the will 135 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: of the Bizango community as a whole. It's just a 136 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: severe punishment. So you would have been zombified in our house, stuff, 137 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: work works culture over and over and over again. And 138 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: actually um uh Clarius. Clarius Narcis said that he was 139 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: zombified because he at the behest of his brothers because 140 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: he wouldn't go along and selling uh the family land 141 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: with them. Another documented zombie named TM she's a woman. 142 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: She said that she was zombified by her at the 143 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: by the will of her family because she refused to 144 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: marry the man they wanted her to marry and she 145 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: had a baby by another man. So generally it's retaliation. 146 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: It's punishment for transgressions against Bizango Society or a person's 147 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: family who is a member that is a member of 148 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: Bizango Society. It's gotta be a little money on the 149 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: back end for the you would think so, But Davis 150 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: was adamant and his research that that's not the case, 151 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: right right, So okay, so let's get to how you 152 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: make somebody a zombie. Well, you've got the powder, right, 153 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: you have the powder and magic powder. What what Davis 154 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: found was that this powder he took I think eight 155 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: samples and found that seven of them had some ingredients 156 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: in common, right chuck, Yeah, I let me go with those. Yeah. 157 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: You found the puffer fish, which contains a deadly neurotoxin 158 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: called tetro dotoxin found a marine toad, which also has 159 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of toxins, numerous toxins. You don't want to 160 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: lick this, I don't want to look that one. A 161 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: highla tree frog, which secretes an irritating but not deadly substance. Uh, 162 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: some human remains. We're in all of these. Those are 163 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: the common ingredients. And then things like skin irritants. They 164 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: figured like spiders and lizards ground up in there would 165 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: irritate your skin, same with the highlight tree frog. So 166 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: basically the reason you would want to have a skin 167 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: irritant is because the zombie powder is traditionally apply on 168 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: the skin, right exactly. So, so what happens is it's 169 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: applied to the skin and it creates cracks and and 170 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: breaks in the skin, and then it seeps in through 171 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: there right um, and then it produces this zombified person. Basically, 172 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: you you start to have trouble breathing, UM, don't respond 173 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: to stimuli. Know, you become paralyzed. You have a glassy 174 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: eyed stare, but you're you're you're still maintaining your normal 175 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: mental state. You're still aware of what's going on. You 176 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: just can't do anything right you start put in the 177 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: rainbow exactly. You know, you're getting buried alive and having 178 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: the sheet pulled over you. Right, That's actually what Narcis said. 179 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: He said that he remembered um and saw the doctors 180 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: pulling the sheet over his head after they pronounced him dead. 181 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: That's what that felt like. How was that for you? He? 182 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: I imagine it probably wasn't very good? Right, right? So yeah, 183 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: so you you know what's going on, you just can't 184 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: you can't do anything about it. And this struck Davis 185 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: um as particular, really interested because what is it? Check 186 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: the tetro to toxin. Davis started researching and he found 187 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: that in Japan, there's this stuff called fugu, right, which 188 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: is a kind of sushi delicacy that's made from the 189 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: puffer fish. It's very dangerous, but it apparently tastes like 190 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: a twinkie, right yeah, um, a raw twinkie. Um. But 191 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: if you if you make the cut wrong and too 192 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: much of this tetro to toxin ends up in it, 193 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: you get your poison. And the symptoms were virtually the 194 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: same as what people who are zombified reported. Right, that's awesome. 195 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: Should we trust our sushi chef? And I guess I 196 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: imagine that with Fugu you get what you pay for. 197 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: You don't want to cheap out with fo you want 198 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: to go dollar sushi on the food. So that's step one. 199 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: You administer the zombie powder and then the person uh 200 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: is pronounced dead to bury them, then you go get them. Well, 201 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: that's that's that's the the revelation moment. That's what makes 202 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: the bokor look like they done their thing. Nice reference 203 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: to our brainwatching podcast, thank you Yeah, and I love 204 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: the back door there for the boc or if it 205 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: doesn't work, there's a little loophole where he says that, um, 206 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: if the procedure doesn't work, that divine intervention can always 207 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: prevent this from happening, right, So anytime it doesn't work, 208 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: that's his go to. Or if um, if the powder 209 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: is prepared to kill too strongly. Right, so you've got 210 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: somebody right exactly, it's like, well, hey, it didn't work 211 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: this time. Uh. And Plus anyway, if once you've administering 212 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: the zombie powder, I guess under a Haitian law, you're 213 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: in for a penny, in for a pound anyway, right, Um, 214 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: So that's step one, right, Chuck, You've zombified the person. 215 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: Step two is to get to their grave within about 216 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: eight hours and you exhume them. And when you do, 217 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: you feed them something called a zombie cucumber. Was that 218 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: the salt, No, you don't want to feed them salt 219 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: that restores their senses. Right. The zombie cucumber is a 220 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: combination of sweet potato and uma. That sounds nice, jimsum weed, 221 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: which is one of the more hallucinogenic plants available to man. 222 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: That sounds real nice. Yeah. So when you've got somebody 223 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: who's already like half paralyzed and has been buried, that's 224 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: a pretty traumatic experience, right, Chuck, I would imagine. Yeah, 225 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: So the next step is to feed them a highly 226 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: hallucinogenic concoction and watch them go. So that's step two 227 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: of creating a zombie. What Davis came up with was 228 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: that none of this would work, Chuck, unless you were 229 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: in Haiti, because all of it had the social support 230 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: for a belief that zombies can exist. So once once 231 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: you've gone through this process, you're you're you know, you're 232 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: not an American thinking about I'm a zombie. As Tracy 233 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: Wilson put it in her how zombies work article that 234 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: we're basing this on. She said, Um, you know, in 235 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: another culture, if you have tetrated tetra to doxin, tetra 236 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: to toxin poisoning, you're just a toxin poisoning victim. But 237 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: in Haiti, because of this uh belief among some people 238 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: that there is such things as zombies that supports the experience, 239 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, this person is spending X 240 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: number of years is basically a zombie slave like snake handlers. 241 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: Most people would think you're just a redneck that got 242 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: picked by snake and they think that, you know, it 243 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: was all divine, right. Yeah, that's actually very much the same. 244 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: Nice one, Chuck, I just pulled that one out of 245 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: my Ea. That was great, smells delicious. So a lot 246 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: of people. Do you want to get to where people 247 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: think Davis wasn't exactly on the level on all levels? Yeah, 248 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: because it all sounded good until the article turned a 249 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: little bit and said no, not quite. Well, yeah, it 250 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: definitely depends on where you're coming from. But there's a 251 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of criticism for somebody like Davis who's saying, yeah, 252 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: zombies exist, right, because one thing he did what you 253 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: mentioned was dig up bodies or supervised the digging up 254 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: what he was there at least there, and um, a 255 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: lot of scientists didn't like that. No, I thought that 256 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: kind of goes against the code of ethics somewhere across 257 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: the boundary, and I think I might agree with that. Um. 258 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: They also questioned the initial experiments with the powder and 259 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: if they were scientific enough, because he practices on like 260 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: monkeys and rats when he got back to the States, right, Yeah, 261 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: he made zombie rats. Yeah, that's pretty cool. So they 262 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: questioned the initial experiments. Um, they didn't know, like, you know, 263 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: if he had added anything else to the powder. I 264 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: guess he says he didn't, but they weren't there to 265 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: witness that, so they questioned that what else. Um, Oh yeah, 266 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: this one I found odd. They found samples contained no tetradotoxin. Yeah, 267 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: and he said that you guys, are you putting it 268 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: in some sort of solvent to to carry out these 269 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: tests or you may have destroyed it? Um if he 270 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: though maybe the I think one of the big Um. 271 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: The big points about this in Davis's defense is that 272 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: his reputation academically still very much attacked years after this. Yeah, 273 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean he he published two books on it. Uh. 274 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: The Serpent in the Rainbow came out and he survived that. 275 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that made him look you know, really 276 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: good among his academic peers. And this guy is still, 277 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, um doing more and more research. Is a 278 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: National Geographic Explorer and residence, which, as you know, I 279 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: think is one of the coolest things ever. Um. So 280 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: his reputation still intact, and he's still a respected ethnobotanist 281 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: and anthropologist. Um. Another point that people made their chuck 282 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: was that a lot of these people, um, who were 283 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: supposedly zombies, uh, were chalked up to mistaken identity cases 284 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: of mental illness, kind of like Jerusalem syndrome. If you 285 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,119 Speaker 1: live in Jerusalem, you're gonna have a much higher tendency 286 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: of believing that you're, you know, a reincarnated saint or 287 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: profit in Detroit? Exactly, what are you gonna say, Denver? Okay, yeah, 288 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said Detroit. Though, are we moving on 289 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: to Denver now? Maybe A yeah? Um Man, So, Chuck, 290 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: that's the Haitian zombie, the real quote unquote real zombie. 291 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: We should say, as far as I could turn up, 292 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: there's no one who um satisfactorily debunked uh Clervius Narces' story. 293 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: And also I should also say that, um, at no 294 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: point did Davis say that these people were dead in 295 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, or they were strictly poisoned 296 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: by the specific toxin that brought them that lowered their 297 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: vital signs. They were pronounced dead and then they were 298 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: revived by uter and then believed that they were zombies, 299 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: but that they were not dead and brought back to life. 300 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: So those are real zombies. Let's do fake zombies. That started, 301 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: not started, but very much kick started with George Romero's 302 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: classic that we played earlier, Night of the Living Dead. 303 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: Oh did you hear that? That was our That was 304 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: our colleague Chris Palette. Did you the brains? I was 305 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: going to do that, but I didn't. Apparently Jerry said 306 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: Christ and nails it. So yeah, he does brains right, 307 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: That's that's pretty good too, Chuck. Uh. Yeah, So Romero 308 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: starts the whole thing off. Basically, he comes up with 309 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: all the rules of the game, like we heard at 310 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast, right, Actually, Tracy did say 311 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: that movies as early as nineteen nineteen had zombies, So 312 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: save your fingers on the keyboard from typing in. No no, no. 313 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: He wasn't the first, but he definitely brought it into 314 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: the mainstream. Like and zombie movies forever after. We're based on, 315 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: like you said, his world and his rules. Like for example, 316 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: he was the one that said if you can get 317 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: if you can destroy a zombie's brain or detach its 318 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: brain from the rest of its body, that's it for 319 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: the zombie. Everybody knows if you want to kill the zombie, 320 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: you got to cut their head off basically, that's rome 321 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: or blow their head off with you know, a gun. 322 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: I should tell you that our colleague and sometimes standing 323 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: producer Matt Frederick, got really excited when he found out 324 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: we were doing a podcast on zomb He thinks that 325 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: a Remington pump action shotgun is the best weapon to 326 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: have against a zombie. I would say that in one 327 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: hand in a Samurai sword and another would be pretty cool. 328 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: You'd be doing well for yourself. I'm more a battle 329 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: axe man myself. Although that we're gonna talk about the 330 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: Canadian mathematician study. Eventually, we don't stand a chance if 331 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: there's a real zombie attack. Dude, Well, it depends on 332 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: what we do. Let's talk about that someone with Robert Smith. Oh, yeah, 333 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: with a question mark name. That's right, Yeah, guy has 334 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: a question mark at the end of his name. Robert 335 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: Smith and one of his colleagues, both mathematicians at the 336 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: University of Ottawa. They used um contagious disease models, yeah, 337 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: pandemic models to study out the math of whether or 338 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: not we could actually survive a zombie attack. Slow moving Yes. 339 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: They specifically picked the classic slow moving zombie and they 340 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: still found that unless humans strike fast, strike off, and 341 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: and strike increasingly escalatingly. Um, we're in big trouble, right, 342 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: so that you can't do the Oh geez, we gotta 343 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: learn a humanitarian way to put these zombies down, Like 344 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: District nine. You can't do it. You gotta go in. 345 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: Don't even bother trying to figure out how to how 346 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: to cure it. You just have to kill everybody you find. Um. 347 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: And that that was another thing that Romero established with 348 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: Nine of the Living Dead was that zombies beget zombies. Right. 349 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: In his version, what happened was the zombie was somebody 350 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: who was killed by zombie was brought back because of 351 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: this radiation UH from a satellite that it returned to 352 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: Earth that was causing the dead to rise in the 353 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: first place. So if you were killed while that radiation 354 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: was still around, you were inevitably going to come back. 355 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: And also, did you know that George Romero got his 356 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: start shooting segments for Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. I think I 357 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, he also established some other rules 358 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: about their strength. They're very strong, but typically slow moving, 359 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: although there have been a movie off shoots with the 360 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: fast moving zombie. Of course it depends well for their 361 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: faster slow well, it's like twenty eight days later. It's 362 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: technically not a zombie movie because no one who is 363 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: zombie is a zombie is actually dead. Now they're infected 364 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: by that whatever that was, that disease. The infection. Yeah, 365 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 1: I don't remember what it's called. But there were some 366 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: other fast moving zombies I've seen in other movies. Resident 367 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: Evil the game, they had some herky jerky, fast moving zombies. 368 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: Right again, Matt Frederick thinks is the perfect zombie um motion. 369 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: What herky jerky herky jerky whatever is in Resident Evil 370 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: He's hip with because he said, that's where uh, the 371 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: pump shotgun is the slow movers. Yeah, there are a 372 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: lot more. They're more comforting. Yeah, but it was always 373 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: funny to me to watch those movies and I think 374 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: you're all faster than the zombies. How can you ever 375 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: get criss but you get surrounded. That's what happened. Surrounded 376 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: is the big problem. Are we going to get into that. 377 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: How to avoid getting eaten by a zombie? Yeah? Okay, 378 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: well we should. We should wrap up the rules first. 379 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: They're not they're in pervious to pain. Yeah, Like you 380 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: can hit him in the face of the baseball bat 381 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: and they'll just keep lumbering forward. Um, so you really 382 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: have to um cut their head off. You can cut 383 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: their arm off and they'll walk with two one arm. 384 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: They'll cut a leg off and they'll hop at you. 385 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, their arm will come at you all. Um. 386 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: Return to the living dead, yeah or evil dead? Yes, 387 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: to dead by dawn by dawn, will be by dawn, 388 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: and they are driven to eat, relentlessly driven to eat. 389 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: They're afraid of fire and light, so they'll come out 390 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: at night. They want to eat your brain. That actually 391 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: came later that largely Return to the Living Dead from 392 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: where they actually have a zombie pinned down and it's 393 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: just this woman's torso and arms and head and um 394 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: this medical examiner, doctor um says, why do you eat humans? 395 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: She goes, not humans brains. That's a clip you sent 396 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: me today. Let's hear Pullett do it again. Nice? Thank 397 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: you Pullette, so good. Um? Yeah, that was that clip 398 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: I sent you. That isn't it? Yeah? Um? And what else, Chuck? 399 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: Are there anymore? How are zombies created? In uh Romero's version, 400 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: it was radiation from a sad over returning satellite and 401 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: night of the comment It was a comment uh in 402 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: twenty eight days later. If you want to consider that 403 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: zombie movie and Resident Evil, it was a virus that 404 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: was passed around. I love Night of a comment. By 405 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: the way, I just want to go on record, yeah 406 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: I love that movie. That was a good movie. Well 407 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: it's it's off. It's very dated and kind of very 408 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: awful eighties movie. But it was dated the second it 409 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: came out. It was It was really for a thirteen 410 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: year old, you know, watching be on a Saturday afternoon. 411 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: It was pretty perfect. Did you have a crush on 412 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: the younger sister too? I had a crush on both. 413 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: A couple of hot cheerleader chicks it was nice. I learned. 414 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: I learned a lot by watching that thing. But you did, Chuck, 415 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: came of age to none of the comment they did. Alright, 416 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: so find them, Yeah, I mean, Chuck. Let's say that, Um, 417 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: Robert Smith, his prediction comes true. And by the way, 418 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: we should say, their paper is called when Zombies Attack 419 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: And there was an exclamation point. And Smith, he's big 420 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: on punctuation. You now include an exclamation point at the 421 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: end of your name and your email signature. I don't 422 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: think that. So right, let's say we were getting attacked. 423 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: Let's say Robert Smith's uh is right on the money. 424 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: What what do we do? Well, first of all, you 425 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: want to go to a place. If you're going to retreat, 426 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: you want to retreat to a place that has plenty 427 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: of supplies. Preferably one of those walmarts I don't know 428 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: if they're still around or not that also sells guns 429 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: and ammunition and groceries. She the superstore, supercenter, super death center. Um, 430 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: you want one of those because you want to hold 431 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: up in there. You can last as long as you 432 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: need to. There's probably communications equipment in there. And again 433 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: you've got guns, hose, machetes, anything, blood your favorite weapon. 434 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: I told you a battle acts. Oh that was yours. Yeah, 435 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: you don't have changed mind. What crossbow with those uh 436 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: rambo exploding arrows. That would be sweet, That would be awesome. Wow. 437 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: I would like to kill them before they even get 438 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: close to me. Yeah, I think you'd be unsettling to 439 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: to be face to face. So where are we were? 440 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: We're in the Walmart or Costco or Target or wherever, 441 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: and the zombies are attacking. Uh, you want to stay 442 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: away from where there's people, So that would be a 443 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: good place. Yeah. That was a really good point that 444 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: Tracy made. That the the if you're in the minutes 445 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: of a zombie epidemic, just like any other epidemic, it's 446 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: going to spread more quickly and and have more casualties 447 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: in a populated area. If you live in Manhattan, you 448 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: probably want to get the heck to Long Island. I 449 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: would say, I'm sure too sweet, But as anyone who's 450 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: seen twenty days later knows, you still want to be 451 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: on your guard, even out in the sticks. Yeah, the 452 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: old cottage in the in the marsh, that's not a 453 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: good place to go either, because they're gonna be waiting 454 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: for you in the movie version. You want to barricade 455 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: everything so Michael Jackson and his cohorts can't get in 456 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: you like that? Um, you never, Actually, that's that's more 457 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: applicable than ever, chuck. Uh. You want to not back 458 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: yourself into a corner, because that's what we talked about. 459 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: You always end up getting surrounded and just like a thriller, 460 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: I believe she backed herself into a corner. Literally, yes, 461 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: she did in that house, and then like walls came 462 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: or hands came out of the wall. She is in trouble. 463 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd want to be inside at all, 464 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: to come to think of it, I'd want to get 465 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: my supplies and like go to the mountains. That's what 466 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: i'd do, Like getting a tent. I don't know if 467 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: a tent offers that much protection. You want to be 468 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: able to barricade, well, I would just want to be 469 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: in the open so I could run. I would never 470 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: want a wall around me anywhere. That's just how I 471 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: do it. That's how I party. Give us some worm, 472 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: that's how you party with zombie death. Well, Tracy said, 473 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: wait for rescue and make long term preparations for your survival. 474 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: I guess so but what if you want to fight 475 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: the zombies. I think you can do both at the 476 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: same time. Hers just kind of a run and hide mentality. 477 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um, I think Tracy would be good to 478 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: have on your team. It would be good to have 479 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: somebody like us arm with battle axes, crossbows, pump action shotguns. 480 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: But then have Tracy, you know, maybe behind the semicircle 481 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: thinking about what we need to be doing a year 482 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: from now. Maybe mix it all together, because you don't 483 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: want just you know, bone headed, you know thick mc 484 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: rock skulls, you know you're hie. Yeah. During the making 485 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: of Zombie Land when he blamed remember he attacked those photographers, 486 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: He got all in trouble because he attacked some photographers 487 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: and his excuse was that he was playing a zombie 488 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: hunter in this movie that I think it was actually 489 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: shot in Atlanta called Zombie Land, And he told the 490 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: judge that he was so caught up in that character 491 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: and so in characters a zombie hunter, that he reacted 492 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: to aggressively to the photographers who followed them around like zombies. 493 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: I guess that man is a pro yeah joint and 494 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: got off scot free. Probably probably at least he didn't 495 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: play Bongo s naked or anything like that. Yeah. Who 496 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: was at McConaughey. Yeah, nice, didn't you hang out with him? Yeah? 497 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: It's actually speaking of a zombie land. I just saw 498 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: today where um, the director of that film was gonna 499 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: have Patrick Swayze play a Swazi zombie like as himself 500 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: come back from the dead Swayze zombie. Originally it was 501 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: written into this script and this was before he got 502 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: sick or anything. Okay, so obviously no, no, no, I 503 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: mean the movie is just coming out, so this is 504 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: a while ago. And then he got sick. He contacted 505 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: him and everything, and he had fallen ill and couldn't 506 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: do it. And I think he got some other big 507 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: star to do it, and they're trying to keep that 508 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: a secret or something. Who is it? I don't know this. 509 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: I tried to find out. I couldn't. When's it come out? 510 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. Soon. I saw the preview the other day, 511 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: so soon, okay, um, chuck. Basically, there's some pretty common 512 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: sense things you want to avoid an a zombie attack, 513 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: like don't lock yourself in a car that you don't 514 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: have keys to. Um, we'll call these movie things. This 515 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: is what always happens movie things. Yeah, and the movie 516 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: they get in they don't have the key, and then 517 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: you're thinking, why did you get in the car if 518 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: you didn't have a key? Right? You don't want to 519 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: leave any any implements that a zombie could use as 520 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: a weapon out for them to find and pick up. Yeah, 521 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: because they can use basic weapons only. Do not give 522 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: a weapon to an hysterical person. You have no idea 523 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: what they're going to do. At the very least, they're 524 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: not going to use it properly, and you'll end up 525 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: really regretting that. Um. There's other stuff, you know, like 526 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: getting into an elevator and a building infestive with zombies. Um, 527 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: you don't want to go on a retreat to like 528 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: a seller or something without taking supplies with you. God 529 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: knows how long you're gonna be down there. I got one. 530 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: How about you fight the sudden urge to make out 531 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: with a zombie? Yeah, that's probably a good thing to do. 532 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: Sure that happened in a Night of Living Dead, wasn't 533 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: it really? Yeah? The girl was like jihnny oh yeah yeah, 534 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: and he was like yeah, so that happens sometimes. Um, chuck, 535 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: let me talk about one of my favorite zombies re Animator. 536 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: Did you see it? You know that was a Lovecraft 537 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: story based on clas classic film. Yeah. Um, and you 538 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: remember the guy decapitates uh, either as mentor or the 539 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: dean of the school, I can't remember, Herbert Weston. He 540 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: decapitates him with a shovel and he's like, awesome, I've 541 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: got another specimen to work on. And he uses the 542 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: serum to reanimate both the head and the body, which 543 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: is highly unusual because in most zombie films, once the 544 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: heads attached from the body, that's it. But he was 545 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: reanimating it after it was detached. So hence that's how 546 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: you break the rules. Okay, you know there were sequels 547 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: to that too, I think there were. But do you 548 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: know what's particularly unsettling about Reanimator that there's actual research 549 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: into that very stuff going on right now into human 550 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: reanimation Max Plank Institute. I was reading an article, um 551 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: that was linked from a crack blog post. You love 552 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: that website, I do. It's great, um, and it was 553 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: it was I think from two thousand and they're like, 554 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: we're getting close. Actually we found out that you know, um, 555 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: it's not cardiac arrest your brain doesn't die as a 556 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: result of cardiac arrest like we thought. Instead, we destroy 557 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: it when we try to reanimate it. So now we're 558 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: trying to be a little more anil And actually we've 559 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 1: gotten a brain to kind of function after it's been 560 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: dead for an hour. We didn't get the whole organism reanimated, 561 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: but we're working on it. And I just went and 562 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: that was what kind of makes sense? You know that, 563 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: like the was it Futurama that had the different heads 564 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: in the jars and they could actually still talking everything. Yeah, 565 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean from the neck down, it's really not a 566 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: lot going on. Besides, you know, organ function and moving. 567 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: If you could find a way to wire the brain 568 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: up and keep it from decaying, you keep partying, man, Yeah, 569 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: keep on trucking. Well, let's see. If you want to 570 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: keep on trucking with zombies, you can go read the 571 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: article written by or Steam colleague Tracy Wilson, who knows 572 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: a lot about zombies, probably more than you should know. 573 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: It's a good one. You can type in zombies in 574 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: the handy search bar at how stuff works dot com, 575 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: which means it's it's time for listener mail. Yes, the 576 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: return of listener mail. Uh, Josh, I gonna all this 577 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: listener mail from the dude in the band, okay that 578 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: you know about? Hey there, Chuck and Josh and Jerry. 579 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm riding on behalf of my band. Were an indie 580 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: rock and roll band from Eagle Rock, Glendale, California, which 581 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: is where I used to live. We've been lucky enough 582 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: on our tour for a good chunk of the year 583 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: to be on tour for a good chunk of the 584 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: year opening for bigger acts. While on tour, we constantly 585 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: fight over who gets control. The CD player in the 586 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: van gets nasty sometimes, and we frequently run in opposite 587 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: directions to our trusty iPods. It's pathetic, five guys in 588 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: a smelly van, each on our own little world, not talking, 589 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: tired and cranky. I quickly learned to resent touring and 590 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: the forty five minutes on stage wasn't worth the hours 591 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: of driving and sleeping in dumpy motels and on couches. 592 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: So they were not having a good run of it. Sadly, 593 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: I like this Uh. I like this exposition right Uh. Well, 594 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: as we were headed back on the road, our old 595 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: bassis sent us off with a spindle of stuff you 596 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: should know podcasts were into a CD. They were reluctant 597 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: at first to throw it into the CD player, but 598 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: find ourselves intrigued by how cannibalism works, that our body farms. 599 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: That'd saould be a good name in for indie rockers. 600 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: It was one of the first episodes we listened to. 601 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: We were hooked. After that, the iPods went away, the 602 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: band started talking more in the van. Uh. The podcast 603 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: ignited debates. We joked about our favorite lucid dreams, cringed 604 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: at the image of a dog eating its owner's face, 605 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: drooled at the thought of a banana cream twinkie. I 606 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: also panic because my girlfriend recently dyed her hair red. 607 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: So he just wanted to say thanks for bringing the 608 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: spark back in their touring. They listened to twenty hours 609 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,479 Speaker 1: of the show driving through Kansas in Montana and uh, 610 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: we've been all around the country with them, And they 611 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: burned another c D for the next upcoming tour. Did 612 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: you just have a stroke a second again? So they're 613 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: playing here in Atlanta actually soon. The Henry Clay people, right, 614 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: the Henry Clay People's name of the band, and they 615 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: are actually awesome. Yeah, and you have their in their music, right. Yeah, 616 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: they're great. I like it a lot, and we get 617 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: people a bit sending their band stuff sometimes and it's 618 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: not very good. Are we gonna go? I'm gonna go. 619 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: I wrote him back and he still has not responded, 620 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: so maybe he's on tour and can't get to put 621 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: me down for a plus one, Jerry, you're going, all right? Yeah, 622 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna be there at the Variety of Playhouse in 623 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: Atlanta October seven, rocking out to the Henry Flay people. 624 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: Nice opening up for Airborne Toxic event. Yeah, which is 625 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: a big tour for Henry lay people. That's good for them. Yes, 626 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: it's good rock and roll, raucous rock and roll. You 627 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: know it's funny? Is That's exactly what Chuck said in 628 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: the email to me and Jerry when he's like, I 629 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: like these guys, raucous rock and roll. It's good. It's 630 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: like good drinking music, like Early Stones or something. Right on, 631 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: let's go October seven? 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