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Speaker 2: with President Biden's big speech. Of course, that happened last night. Now,
Speaker 2: one of the major stories to come out from the
Speaker 2: speech is not just the speech content itself, but the
Speaker 2: time that it went on. All of us were up
Speaker 2: very very late last night. I got shout out to
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Speaker 3: I have orange juice. Ever, again, let's let's get serious.
Speaker 3: Let's get serious.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the DNC and this this speech. Timing, Mac,
Speaker 2: could you go ahead and put the A one element
Speaker 2: and load that up please up on the screen, Thank
Speaker 2: you very much. So, what you can see in front
Speaker 2: of you is that President Biden did not take the
Speaker 2: stage until some or ten forty six pm here in
Speaker 2: Central time, which means he was officially past primetime.
Speaker 3: So here.
Speaker 2: What the media reporters over at the Times are saying
Speaker 2: is that ABC, CBS and NBC News all planned to
Speaker 2: continue their live coverage of the convention past that scheduled
Speaker 2: eleven pm cut off. But though the later it gets quote,
Speaker 2: the smaller the overall TV audience will be a development
Speaker 2: that quote may irk his allies in the party. And
Speaker 2: that very much was the case. If we want to
Speaker 2: go ahead and put a two please up on the screen, Maac,
Speaker 2: just to explain to everybody, of course, we're on Central
Speaker 2: time here. It's traditional that the candidate's speech, the flagship speech,
Speaker 2: is supposed to happen in primetime, right Ryan, And the
Speaker 2: longer that things were continuing, it was very clear that
Speaker 2: this was a massive snub and humiliation of Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: His own coronation, not coronation, his own what farewell at
Speaker 2: the Democratic National Convention is now overshadowed by people who
Speaker 2: are like Kamala's fourth grade friends who talked about driving
Speaker 2: to school, and you know they had who else like
Speaker 2: random congresswomen and others. Emily, as we were all watching
Speaker 2: it live together. Here we have that text to Alex
Speaker 2: Thompson from a long time Biden aid quote, this is awful.
Speaker 2: He literally set up a campaign and handed it over
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 3: Do they have to cut him out of primetime?
Speaker 2: So, if anything, one of the major stories before Biden
Speaker 2: even speaks emily is that Joe Biden is kicked into
Speaker 2: eleven thirty pm or so East Coast time before he
Speaker 2: even begins his what one hour long speech to the convention.
Speaker 2: So just talk to us about that dynamic. What did
Speaker 2: you think of that?
Speaker 6: Well? And they also started the night this was supposed
Speaker 6: to be Biden's night, his daughter speaking, his wife is speaking.
Speaker 6: They started the night with Kamala Harris. So Kamala Harris
Speaker 6: got electric response. And Ryan can maybe tell us more
Speaker 6: about that because he was literally in the arena, but
Speaker 6: she came out as a surprise, and to do that
Speaker 6: on Biden's night, I actually think is pretty interesting. Obviously,
Speaker 6: they're trying to book under the convention with Kamala Harris,
Speaker 6: but this is the sitting president. This isn't just any
Speaker 6: old incumbent, so it steals a little bit of the thunder.
Speaker 6: And then I also have to say there's some conspiratorial
Speaker 6: stuff bouncing around about how DEM's intentionally pushed Biden shoved
Speaker 6: him into the corner, stuffed him late at night. I
Speaker 6: think maybe the bigger story we're going to talk about
Speaker 6: this a couple of times in today's show is that
Speaker 6: this is a very poorly managed convention. They had to cut.
Speaker 6: This is what tells me that, more than anything, they
Speaker 6: had to cut freaking James Taylor, who you know, they
Speaker 6: did not want to have to go backstage and be like, bro,
Speaker 6: we're yanking you like you know, you know, they didn't
Speaker 6: want to have to do that. They did the same
Speaker 6: thing to DNC former DNC chairwoman Debbie Washman Schultz. They
Speaker 6: were the last minute scrapping people who had big speeches
Speaker 6: that were supposed to be in primetime or musical acts
Speaker 6: that were supposed to be in primetime. So I don't
Speaker 6: think it was any grand conspiracy. I think they're just
Speaker 6: really flubbing it so far.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Ryan?
Speaker 4: Not sure you're right on James Taylor. So Taylor played
Speaker 4: at the Inflation Reduction Act ceremony, Oh true, Well amongst
Speaker 4: us forgot. I was at that ceremony and I said
Speaker 4: to the.
Speaker 3: Reporter next inflation went down, I was like, is that
Speaker 3: James Taylor.
Speaker 4: At two o'clock on a Tuesday, sitting around, don't you
Speaker 4: have jobs? Sitting around? List of James Taylor. So my
Speaker 4: point there that sounds like a Biden invitation to James Tayler,
Speaker 4: Like he must really love James Taylor, and he seems
Speaker 4: like the kind of boomer that would like James Taylor.
Speaker 4: So to cut James Taylor is actually a snub at Biden.
Speaker 4: Less less than it is Democrats being like, oh no,
Speaker 4: we really need James Taylor on there. I bet there
Speaker 4: are a ton of the operative class back there who
Speaker 4: are doing the organizing. We're like, this was a side
Speaker 4: to Biden. And you know what, who cares about Biden?
Speaker 4: Any right, that's right, we're screwing him everywhere else. Let's
Speaker 4: also yank Biden, like you know. So they had Warnock speaking,
Speaker 4: they had Chris Coon's speaking, they.
Speaker 2: Had Warnock's speech, which was genuinely right, emily correct. You No,
Speaker 2: it was definitely a good speaker. But Warnock's speech is
Speaker 2: happening during prime time. Warnock's speech is now going up
Speaker 2: until the eleven pm mark on the East coast, and
Speaker 2: he's not cutting down his remarks, he's not taking time cues.
Speaker 2: It was very obvious. I think that this was an
Speaker 2: intentional move. So Mac, could we do a three please
Speaker 2: if we could put up there on the screen. This
Speaker 2: was the official response from the Harris Walts campaign is
Speaker 2: it's a ridiculous and a silly suggestion, the idea that
Speaker 2: the DNC disrespected President Biden. So their explanation for all
Speaker 2: of this is that the that there was so much
Speaker 2: much raucous applause in the room that they happen to
Speaker 2: go ninety minutes late.
Speaker 3: That's just simply not possible. I mean, and I can't
Speaker 3: plan for I think that I am parroting.
Speaker 2: No, I'm parroting like Nate Silver and a few others
Speaker 2: who are like guys, if you believe that it was
Speaker 2: not an intentional snub or effort by the Harris people
Speaker 2: to create some plausible ish scenario where Joe Biden, the
Speaker 2: most unpopular president in like modern times, is pushed out
Speaker 2: of primetime and people are like, oops, I guess I
Speaker 2: have to watch Governor Andy Basheer and all these other
Speaker 2: cogent with it democrats talk about abortion. He's like, you're
Speaker 2: an idiot, this is very obviously.
Speaker 4: Or you believe or you believe Democrats are just incredibly incompetent.
Speaker 3: Well, I also believe that's what I believe. I think it.
Speaker 2: Could be a confluence of those two events. But okay, okay,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 6: So then they're scrambling at the last minute to get
Speaker 6: rid of speakers that they'd plan to have, so like
Speaker 6: DWS and James Taylor and whomever else. Like that's the
Speaker 6: part that I just don't believe. I'm really on the
Speaker 6: side of the incompetence here. I think they wanted to
Speaker 6: get Biden out of the way on Monday, no question
Speaker 6: about it. They would forget about him for the rest
Speaker 6: of the week as energy momentum builds. For as Kamala
Speaker 6: Harris's speech, Biden is literally going off to Santa Barbara,
Speaker 6: so he's not going to be anywhere near this thing.
Speaker 6: They won't have the stink of Biden on anymore. I
Speaker 6: think they wanted to do that. I don't buy that
Speaker 6: it was I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Nate.
Speaker 2: Silver, all right, maybe you're right, listen, maybe I'm just
Speaker 2: a little bit too conspiratorial. So I guess all of
Speaker 2: that is a lead up to what was a very
Speaker 2: long speech, guys, how mean how long was it was
Speaker 2: about fifty five minutes. I think on the clock was
Speaker 2: very long. I mean, he did okay, like and I
Speaker 2: had a few old man moments.
Speaker 6: I think he looked the worst that we've ever seen him.
Speaker 3: He didn't look good. Yes, he physically looked for it.
Speaker 4: I mean it was late. I didn't look particularly good either.
Speaker 4: I was the leg flying to Atlanta, right, Chicago.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I mean I think I tweeted that, and I was
Speaker 2: like Biden famously who has never crashed and burned after
Speaker 2: nine pm, we'll now take the stage roughly around ten
Speaker 2: thirty pm.
Speaker 3: I was like, what could go wrong in.
Speaker 2: Terms of them setting him up for I guess success
Speaker 2: or failure. Well, he lived up to, you know, some
Speaker 2: of his old reputation. He was kind of yelling a
Speaker 2: little bit into the camera. He tried to get very animated.
Speaker 2: He got a lot of thank you Joe Chance. So, Mac,
Speaker 2: why don't we go ahead and queue up. We've put
Speaker 2: together kind of a highlight reel for everybody, so I'll
Speaker 2: continue to just set it up. There we go, all right, Mac,
Speaker 2: let's go ahead and take a listen.
Speaker 7: I ran for president of twenty twenty because of what
Speaker 7: I saw in Charlottesville in August of twenty seventeen. Extremists
Speaker 7: coming out of the woods carrying torches. They're veins bulging
Speaker 7: from their next Carrie Nazis, swastikas and chanting the same
Speaker 7: exact anti Semitic bile that was hurt in Germany in
Speaker 7: the early thirties. Neo Nazis, white supremacists, the krew Kus Klan,
Speaker 7: growing bolden by a president then in the White House
Speaker 7: that they saw as an ally. They didn't even bother
Speaker 7: to wear their hoods. I could not stay in the sidelines,
Speaker 7: so I ran because I had no intention of running again.
Speaker 4: I just lost part of my soul.
Speaker 7: But I ran with a deep conviction in America, I
Speaker 7: know him, believed in America where honesty, dignity, decency still matter.
Speaker 7: Women are not without electrical were not allowed, not without
Speaker 7: electoral electoral.
Speaker 3: Folks.
Speaker 7: I've got five months left in my presidency. I've got
Speaker 7: a lot to do. I intend to get it done.
Speaker 7: Let's see spend the honor of my lifetime. The servers
Speaker 7: are present. I love the job, but I love my
Speaker 7: country more.
Speaker 3: I love my country more.
Speaker 2: All right, there we go. So that was our highlight reel.
Speaker 2: We tried our best to cut together. To be honest,
Speaker 2: My assessment of the speech, Emily is it was pure
Speaker 2: grocery store list. It was very much like Biden's last
Speaker 2: State of the Union. There was just check mark, check mark,
Speaker 2: check mark, check mark. Oh, gotta talk about unions, gotta
Speaker 2: talk about NATO, gotta talk about Seaspire, got to talk
Speaker 2: about kissing. Yeah, I can talk calling getting Henry Kissinger
Speaker 2: calling and complimenting him ten days before he died, which
Speaker 2: was funny.
Speaker 3: What else?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Nothing stuck out to me other than him literally being snubbed.
Speaker 2: It being frankly a long farewell. It was obviously well
Speaker 2: received by the enthusiastic crowd. Lots of thank you Joe
Speaker 2: chance that he was giving out. He gave shout outs
Speaker 2: to unions and a few other things he tried to
Speaker 2: He tried to paint a optimistic portrait of a country
Speaker 2: that he is handing off for improvement to Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3: That was my overall take. What did you think?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 6: That's an interesting point because it reminds me of when
Speaker 6: Donald Trump had to deal with make America Great Again
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty. Right, he went with keep America Great.
Speaker 3: Key, that's what it ended up being awful slow.
Speaker 6: So it's something you always have to do as an incumbent.
Speaker 6: But Kamala Harris has started this dramatic economic policy rollout
Speaker 6: that we talked about yesterday, like she's trying to move
Speaker 6: really far away from Biden and remove herself from the
Speaker 6: unpopularity of the Biden Harris administration. So it's interesting that
Speaker 6: Biden and I think you saw a little bit of
Speaker 6: cope from Hillary Clinton last night too, right, of course
Speaker 6: we have to because it was really something. But yeah,
Speaker 6: so the other thing, when you're talking about the grocery list,
Speaker 6: he of course spent a significant amount of time on Charlottesville,
Speaker 6: as he always does when he's talking about his kind
Speaker 6: of genesis as a presidential a serious presidential contender, which
Speaker 6: he ended up being in twenty twenty. And the other
Speaker 6: thing I wanted to mention is, towards the end of
Speaker 6: the speech, he talked about how he It's something that
Speaker 6: Jill Biden had said too. She said when she was
Speaker 6: kind of introducing Ashley Biden that his love for the
Speaker 6: country was so great that that's why he stepped down.
Speaker 6: He addressed it so vaguely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it was did not go into it at all.
Speaker 6: No, there were no specifics. It wasn't like I was
Speaker 6: sitting at home, you know, thinking about how much I
Speaker 6: love this country and decided to step down. It was
Speaker 6: really just a super like vague nod to this dramatic, historic,
Speaker 6: unprecedented decision that he'd made just in the last month,
Speaker 6: And that was it.
Speaker 3: What did you think? Ryan?
Speaker 2: So you you were in So just to explain a
Speaker 2: little bit of logistics, Ryan was actually on the floor
Speaker 2: because he's a print journalist and they have different privileges
Speaker 2: than us radio TV folks, tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about Ryan Color. You were in the state, hold some
Speaker 2: of the protest conversation because we will get out in
Speaker 2: a little bit. Uh.
Speaker 4: The crowd is super fired up. Yeah, Like you can
Speaker 4: feel the energy in a way that you couldn't at
Speaker 4: some previous conventions. When Kamala Harris came out, as you mentioned,
Speaker 4: I was actually in the hallway and heard this like
Speaker 4: just absolute like explosion coming from inside the arena and
Speaker 4: popped my head in and said, oh, there's calm on
Speaker 4: the stage and the place. It's just rocking. But it
Speaker 4: was also rocking for Joe Biden, for like seven minutes
Speaker 4: or so, I feel like maybe maybe five minutes of
Speaker 4: like just sheer, just expressions of love and support for
Speaker 4: Joe Biden. But you get the sense that a significant
Speaker 4: amount of that is like release of like satisfaction, joy
Speaker 4: that he's not running absolutely like if he was, he
Speaker 4: were getting his speech as claiming a renomination, I don't
Speaker 4: feel like that you'd get the same five minutes.
Speaker 2: Did you guys notice that he was not liking the
Speaker 2: thank you Joe chance that he really because thank you
Speaker 2: for stepping down?
Speaker 3: Exactly right.
Speaker 2: I had the exact same or I was like, interesting,
Speaker 2: every time thank you Joe broke out, he was not
Speaker 2: having it. He was not having and we love you,
Speaker 2: we love it was very different. That was like okay,
Speaker 2: but it also comes.
Speaker 4: Across in a similar way like we we love you
Speaker 4: for the selfless act that you perform of not.
Speaker 2: Voting, which he talk about, which is again, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is the craziest part. And I'm so glad that
Speaker 2: you brought that up because I didn't even have that
Speaker 2: in my notes. The level of detail for why stepping
Speaker 2: down was zero. It was here is why I've done
Speaker 2: an incredible job. Every once in a while, I will
Speaker 2: say thank you Kamala too, thank you Wallas. And then
Speaker 2: he's like, gotta go out there and you know you
Speaker 2: gotta vote for Tim Walls. And then roughly around one
Speaker 2: am local time, he gets on a plane and now
Speaker 2: he's in Santa Clara, California. He's on literal vacation and
Speaker 2: he's out.
Speaker 6: He's he won't be presiding over the convention like Kamala Harrison.
Speaker 6: He won't be in the box looking at anyone, clapping,
Speaker 6: doing interviews, talking to delegates. He is out and they
Speaker 6: want it that way, no question about it.
Speaker 2: And as we have tried to highlight, one of the
Speaker 2: things guys that we talked a lot about yesterday is
Speaker 2: that they put the most unpopular people up on the
Speaker 2: stage tonight or last night. So they had Hillary Clinton, AOC,
Speaker 2: and Joe Biden. So we don't have any Actually, I
Speaker 2: think Crystal talks a little bit about AOC, so I'll
Speaker 2: leave it to her. I personally don't really understand why
Speaker 2: the pundits were like raving about her Ryan if we
Speaker 2: want to give our.
Speaker 3: Brief take here, like raving about who about AOC.
Speaker 2: I was like, she gave a very standard democratic speech
Speaker 2: and was like.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think I think it's because the
Speaker 4: pundits are very pleased that that she's here Democrat, here's
Speaker 4: the last wing of the party up on stage. She's
Speaker 4: a good dem and Sean Vain also ran as like
Speaker 4: an insurgent up on the stage. Sean Faine didn't even
Speaker 4: mention Gaza, which is a big thing that the UAW
Speaker 4: has been pushing by. Non Aoc did become like, I
Speaker 4: think maybe the only or at least the first person
Speaker 4: to mention Gaza, but did in a way that ticked
Speaker 4: people off by saying.
Speaker 3: Well, she said, Kamala is working tirelessly towards the ceasefire,
Speaker 3: and we were all racer.
Speaker 2: Mac was like what, Like I audibly audibly was shocked
Speaker 2: when she said that.
Speaker 4: It's a very classic way of everybody sees what's going on. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: So I think that's why the punnit's liked it, because
Speaker 4: they're like, cool, we're all on the team. Now, the
Speaker 4: band's the band is together. Now let's rock and roll
Speaker 4: and go beat Trump.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean, let's give a little bit of our assessment.
Speaker 2: What do you think in the hallways, people were people
Speaker 2: were happy, and even the ceasefire delegates. So just a
Speaker 2: little bit of color. Uh, the ceasefire delegates are all
Speaker 2: wearing T shirts to say, wear ceasefire delegates. People are
Speaker 2: not treating them badly or anything. Now we'll get to
Speaker 2: how they treat actual protesters, but that's a different story going.
Speaker 6: And just a question for Ryan, could you talk a
Speaker 6: little bit about what kind of person is a Democratic
Speaker 6: delegate here at the convention, because it's a little bit
Speaker 6: different than Republicans. So what's the makeup of the people
Speaker 6: that are actually in the arena.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're in a major city and you're
Speaker 4: a delegate from Chicago, actually any any major city, then
Speaker 4: you're more likely to be a party operative slash machine
Speaker 4: type thing. You're probably a lawyer, somebody who's like involved
Speaker 4: in party politics in a way that influences your profession.
Speaker 4: If you're a delegate in the suburbs or in a
Speaker 4: rural area, you are a party activist. You're a die
Speaker 4: hard county party You love Democratic Party politics. It makes
Speaker 4: up your entire social life. You're you're committed, this is
Speaker 4: your thing, and you are probably a middle class like
Speaker 4: a normal person, except for the fact that you are
Speaker 4: like a hyperpartisan RST and this is the social life
Speaker 4: that you've chosen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really did feel like real fangirl energy for
Speaker 2: a lot of the Democratic we watched. Remember Mark Kelly
Speaker 2: in the hallway. I mean it's like he was like
Speaker 2: Jay Z or something like.
Speaker 3: I've never seen any Mark Kelly. I've never seen anyone.
Speaker 4: In greet a United States senator a social relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was very but they have to pay their own way.
Speaker 4: Like these people like you know, they're they're regular people
Speaker 4: who just this is their thing and they just deeply care.
Speaker 4: That's which is different than the planef's attorney from who
Speaker 4: lives in Chicago. And so I'm a Democratic Party activist
Speaker 4: because like I need the party to be favorable to
Speaker 4: me and my professional.
Speaker 3: Last thoughts here because we want to talk about Pelosi
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 6: I was just going to ask about the changes to
Speaker 6: super delegates.
Speaker 4: Are there still radically shrunk down but those people are
Speaker 4: still here, right, and they still get this. They still
Speaker 4: get the badges.
Speaker 2: And you know, we could see some of the VIP
Speaker 2: host the choak groom areas and all that those were
Speaker 2: down in the basement.
Speaker 4: The rainbow of hierarchy. They looked nice different badges. It
Speaker 4: looked nice in there. It certainly did you get a
Speaker 4: golf cart. You get a golf cart. That's right.
Speaker 2: You'll wear tucks, that's right. As long as we're in tuxes.
Speaker 2: I'm totally fine with the super delegates.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to Nancy Pelosi on CNN,
Speaker 2: also throwing some shade at Biden because it was I
Speaker 2: that at the same time that she, I mean, she's
Speaker 2: the one more probably more responsible than anybody else for
Speaker 2: getting out of the race. His own former campaign manager,
Speaker 2: Anita Dunn, confirms this. They've been in a war of
Speaker 2: words in the most like bitchy way possible, where they're like,
Speaker 2: some people didn't want to give him the benefit of
Speaker 2: the doubt.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi is asked about this in a CNN interview
Speaker 2: very briefly before actually taking the floor of the convention. Matt,
Speaker 2: can we go ahead and queue that up, please, just
Speaker 2: so the audience can take a listen, Let's go and
Speaker 2: play it.
Speaker 4: It does seem like there's some residual bad blood or resentment.
Speaker 4: And I'm wondering if you've spoken.
Speaker 3: To him and and and what your response is to that.
Speaker 5: Sometimes you just have to take a punch for the children.
Speaker 4: And that's what you're doing right now. You're just going
Speaker 4: to take a punch for the children.
Speaker 6: Who's punching right now?
Speaker 8: I don't know. I mean, I didn't hear this.
Speaker 3: If they an interview with me, he's showing the punch.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not I would never but but she.
Speaker 9: Said she doesn't want to fight.
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to have a fight with Nancy at this time.
Speaker 5: What I have to do right he made the decision
Speaker 5: for the country. My concern was not about the president,
Speaker 5: was about his campaigns, as he has seen the exuberance,
Speaker 5: the excitement that has come forth in our country. I
Speaker 5: just did an event for one of our members in Illinois,
Speaker 5: Eric Crenson, today. Immediately he got eleven hundred volunteers into
Speaker 5: his campaign as soon as that announcement.
Speaker 4: Nobody is questioning the fact that the Democratic Party seems
Speaker 4: much better positioned right now than it did four weeks
Speaker 4: and two days ago. There's no question about that. Former
Speaker 4: Speaker Pelosis.
Speaker 5: So why are we been talking about it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why are we even talking about how you literally forced
Speaker 2: the president out of their race.
Speaker 4: Like he's dead? Why are we talking about you.
Speaker 2: That was I mean, but there was something kind of
Speaker 2: deeply sick about it because she not only is responsible
Speaker 2: for it, but we were all joking this morning. There's
Speaker 2: a video I think Griffin sent it to all of
Speaker 2: our chat where she's also pictured literally holding and chanting
Speaker 2: thank you Joe on the floor of the convention when
Speaker 2: she I mean, I guess it is cognizant. And that's
Speaker 2: part of why Biden doesn't like the chance so much,
Speaker 2: is because it's like, yeah, thank you for listening to
Speaker 2: me and getting out of here. We put you out
Speaker 2: to pasture. We basically forced you out, and there was
Speaker 2: not you know. That was the other thing that drove
Speaker 2: me crazy about the Joe Biden speech. There was no
Speaker 2: you know, high minded stuff going on here. It was
Speaker 2: the donor's pulled your money. You held on till the
Speaker 2: very last minute, and you're obviously bitter.
Speaker 3: Like and on the back. Oh yeah, now you want.
Speaker 2: To pat on the back for being such a patriot, right,
Speaker 2: give me a break, Yeah, come on, all right, Ryan,
Speaker 2: last thoughts on Biden.
Speaker 4: Well, Pelosi has a book out on power. It just
Speaker 4: came out. I desperately want to read this. I have
Speaker 4: a body I can give you one. Jillian bought one
Speaker 4: at Costco. I was like, they have it at Costco.
Speaker 6: So you know they have it at a Northern Virginia
Speaker 6: cost It probably is flying off the shelves.
Speaker 4: Let's be honest, Nobody Biden should read it. Nobody understands
Speaker 4: power like Pelosi. True, and to understand power at that
Speaker 4: depth you have to have some level of uh, sociopathology. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: so we're almost taking delight in like being able to
Speaker 4: wield it.
Speaker 6: Honest to goodness, we need a mini serious like game
Speaker 6: change style about Nancy Pelosi pushing Joe Biden out of office.
Speaker 6: That would be HBO.
Speaker 2: Well look, Mark Alprin was right, he had the scoop. Heah,
Speaker 2: he did have the scoop. So maybe we should get
Speaker 2: him to uh, we should maybe get him.
Speaker 3: We'll premiere it, premiere it. I'm breaking, But.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, let's go ahead and move on. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk a little bit about also forgive. Our
Speaker 2: producers are walking back and forth. It's a live thing.
Speaker 2: Everybody forgives it. Everybody's okay with no no, we have
Speaker 2: we we are embracing the podcast Dreamer energy. It's all
Speaker 2: we're having, right, now actually, yeah, I'm I'm actually kind
Speaker 2: of enjoying it. All right, let's go ahead and begin
Speaker 2: with abortion, because that was the kind of signature event
Speaker 2: an issue that we saw repeatedly on the stage. From
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris's remarks, there was abortion kind of Roe versus
Speaker 2: Wade signature sign stuff everywhere. Ryan in the convention hall,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you notice that pro choice reproductive freedom stuff
Speaker 2: that was everywhere, and you could tell that is something
Speaker 2: that they're leaning into very very hard. So one of
Speaker 2: these we have is actually a video of a young woman,
Speaker 2: Hadley Duval.
Speaker 3: So we've talked about Hadley on the show before.
Speaker 2: She very prominently featured in the advertising for Governor Andy
Speaker 2: Basheer in his twenty twenty two race, and in particular
Speaker 2: those ads led to Daniel Cameron getting defeated in the election.
Speaker 2: So Hadley actually took the DNC stage yesterday and I mean,
Speaker 2: I thought it was a pretty impactful moment. She had
Speaker 2: the crowd in tears from what we could tell Mac,
Speaker 2: can we go ahead and queue that up?
Speaker 3: Please? That is B one and yeah, here we go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we all take a listen to it
Speaker 2: and then we'll react on the other side, shall.
Speaker 10: We I was raped by my stepfather after years of
Speaker 10: sexual abuse. At age twelve, I took my first pregnancy
Speaker 10: test and it was positive. That was the first time
Speaker 10: I was ever told you have options. I can't imagine
Speaker 10: not having a choice, But today that's the reality for
Speaker 10: many women and girls across the country because of Donald
Speaker 10: Trump's abortion bands. He calls it a beautiful thing. What
Speaker 10: is so beautiful about it having to carry her parents' child.
Speaker 10: There are other survivors out there who have no options.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So that was Hadlee speaking there about her experience, and
Speaker 2: Governor Andy Basheer actually came out immediately after she spoke,
Speaker 2: and he also gave remarks on abortion. I found that
Speaker 2: one pretty interesting, actually, because Basher really went hard against
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, which is, I mean, in some sense a
Speaker 2: bit difficult for him. This is a state that he
Speaker 2: governs where Trump won by what thirty points last time around,
Speaker 2: But he's actually quite popular and he went hard, almost
Speaker 2: entirely on the issue of abortion.
Speaker 3: What did you make of that?
Speaker 6: And he was a serious contender for vice president because
Speaker 6: of that. What makes Andy Basheer one of the most
Speaker 6: interesting Democrats in the country right now? Because he's able
Speaker 6: to not just sort of shrug and is similar to this,
Speaker 6: but he's able to not just sort of shrug off
Speaker 6: the cultural issues but lean into the cultural issues and
Speaker 6: lean into them very hard. Now that's not true across
Speaker 6: the board, but it's certainly true on this. What you
Speaker 6: saw on the stage if you were watching the stream
Speaker 6: is a couple of other uh one was a couple,
Speaker 6: but and then another woman who were also sharing stories
Speaker 6: of horrifying, horrifying, tragic circumstances that had been made worse.
Speaker 6: The contention is by anti abortion policies of Republicans. The
Speaker 6: couple who miscarried it was just.
Speaker 3: Oh, actually that's a that's a good point. We should
Speaker 3: go ahead and just yeah, you mention it. You should watch Matt.
Speaker 3: Can we go ahead and queue up? That is a B.
Speaker 3: They're both labeled B one.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's the abortion ad SOT is the
Speaker 2: one that I'm talking about. Yep, I believe that is it.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and play it for everybody.
Speaker 8: The blanket that she was the.
Speaker 6: Fifty four years they were trying to get roe V
Speaker 6: weight terminated.
Speaker 9: And I did it, and I'm proud to have done it.
Speaker 6: I was punished for three days having to wait for
Speaker 6: either my baby to die or me did I or both?
Speaker 4: I was stuck in this horrific hell of both wanting
Speaker 4: to hear her heartbeat and also hoping I wouldn't.
Speaker 7: It has to be some form of punishment for the woman.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it has to be some form. I almost died
Speaker 6: because doctors were forced to follow Trump's abortion Day.
Speaker 8: Kamala will protect a woman's right to choose.
Speaker 6: We trust women to make decisions about their own honey,
Speaker 6: and not having governmental and what to do.
Speaker 3: I had so much faith in her.
Speaker 6: And when Congress passes the law to restore reproductive freedoms,
Speaker 6: as President of the and I say I will sign
Speaker 6: it into love.
Speaker 1: We have to fight for Kamala Harris, our rights, our freedoms,
Speaker 1: and frankly, our lives.
Speaker 8: Everything is on the line.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that was a big moment there from the stage.
Speaker 2: That was actually I believe happened around seven or eight pm. Strategically, again,
Speaker 2: I think these people.
Speaker 3: Know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys disagree, but it was very promptly placed
Speaker 2: right around when people would be tuning into the coverage
Speaker 2: checking it out, kind of seeing what was going on.
Speaker 2: And they were hit with the back to back both
Speaker 2: of that couple's ad. So I thought that abortion was
Speaker 2: probably the messaging that they pulled off the best last night,
Speaker 2: And it was both with their speakers all of the people.
Speaker 3: So they have these two individual.
Speaker 2: Speakers, that couple actually came out on the stage and
Speaker 2: spoke afterwards, including in the ad. Then they had Hadlee
Speaker 2: Duval and then Andy Basheer kind of backing her up
Speaker 2: on top of that. So you put all that together,
Speaker 2: and I would say, put Biden's speech and all that aside.
Speaker 2: I don't even think that was the most important thing
Speaker 2: out of last night.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 2: It was abortion. It was very clearly they have their
Speaker 2: messaging dialed in and they know exactly which ones to
Speaker 2: turn up, which worked in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: Emily.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is why they're making at least one
Speaker 6: of the Knights themed around freedom of the DNC because
Speaker 6: abortion is such a strong talking point for Democrats right now.
Speaker 6: So it's not even just about what we saw at
Speaker 6: the convention. Just imagine what you just saw in those
Speaker 6: ads being played around swing states from now until November.
Speaker 6: We've covered before in the show what happened in Kansas
Speaker 6: we've covered what happened in Michigan. Maybe it was significant
Speaker 6: in Alyssa Slotkin's victory. For example, when you're looking at
Speaker 6: some of these numbers and so ads that channel the
Speaker 6: pain and the emotion, the pathos that you just saw
Speaker 6: there are going to be running around these swing states.
Speaker 3: What did you think, Ryan?
Speaker 4: Everybody, almost across the board, except for maybe a five
Speaker 4: percent on the one one extreme end supports exceptions for
Speaker 4: rape incest in Life of the Mother, and those two
Speaker 4: examples hit all three of those, rape and incest in
Speaker 4: the Kentucky case, and then with Willow Life of the Mother.
Speaker 6: And Trump, by the way, supports exceptions for rape and incest.
Speaker 6: It's more like the down ballot.
Speaker 4: But if you support the exceptions, yet your policy based
Speaker 4: on these commercials that you're seeing don't seem to actually
Speaker 4: be making way for those exceptions, then your support of
Speaker 4: those exceptions isn't very confident is inducing to voters? Probably right.
Speaker 2: It's one of those where he could say it and
Speaker 2: it almost doesn't matter because you've got Republican people on
Speaker 2: down ballot who have literally tried to pass legislation. JD
Speaker 2: jd Vance has talked about it, and I mean, I
Speaker 2: think the biggest issue is Arizona. I keep thinking that
Speaker 2: it's such a consequential event because they have that abortion,
Speaker 2: they have that referendum on the ballot at the same
Speaker 2: time of twenty twenty four, and it couldn't have come,
Speaker 2: what at a worse time for the what was that
Speaker 2: eighteen sixty abortion law to come back into effect and
Speaker 2: the way that that animated Democratic voters in Arizona. I
Speaker 2: think it explains why Kamala if we look at the
Speaker 2: Sunbell right now, it's her strongest state, she's actually losing
Speaker 2: in Georgia, even you know, with her momentum, she's got
Speaker 2: five points in Arizona according to New York Times Sienna,
Speaker 2: I think abortion is a very very key part of that.
Speaker 2: Same with North Carolina. That's another place where abortion law
Speaker 2: and all of that is very iffy. You've got Mark Robinson,
Speaker 2: that candidate there. I think he effectively what didn't he
Speaker 2: admit to his wife having an abortion? I didn't I
Speaker 2: think he.
Speaker 3: Did where North Carolina? Yeah, in North Carolina.
Speaker 2: I think he was like, well, actually my wife had
Speaker 2: an abortion, so he I think then I forget exactly
Speaker 2: what his position is. But my point is that even
Speaker 2: he is like, Okay, well, we gotta we gotta try
Speaker 2: and find something a different kind of a different way
Speaker 2: of talking about this and over.
Speaker 3: I think the big takeaway.
Speaker 2: From last night for us, you know, from all of
Speaker 2: the speakers was just how key abortion is going to
Speaker 2: play into their messaging.
Speaker 4: Ryan, Yeah, and Democrats have a genuine opportunity to actually
Speaker 4: codify Roe v. Wade such that you're seeing the abortion
Speaker 4: rights groups start to get angry about it. That's right,
Speaker 4: if you've noticed. It's because codifying Roe v. Wade is
Speaker 4: considered to be a illegitimate compromise from the perspective of
Speaker 4: the left because it would allow bands up to you say,
Speaker 4: some certain amount of time. It is not a comprehensive
Speaker 4: ban on bands. Yeah, so they're upset by that, which
Speaker 4: shows that it's actually a real possibility that they might
Speaker 4: do it. But if they do codify Row, they can
Speaker 4: then legitimately run every single election on genuine fear mongering,
Speaker 4: like mongering, actual fear, not fake fear. And that Republicans
Speaker 4: will overturn Roe v. Wade in Congress if they get
Speaker 4: back into power, because they will Well.
Speaker 2: This is a good point. So Chuck Schumer actually made
Speaker 2: some news mac. I had a tweet that I sent
Speaker 2: to the chat. If we can pull that up please
Speaker 2: from Andrew Desideira.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2: So Chuck Schumer actually gave a press conference this morning
Speaker 2: here in Chicago, and he talked specifically about how he
Speaker 2: wants to now revisit a filibuster carve out, this time
Speaker 2: for abortions. That's really big news to me because Chuck
Speaker 2: is talking about a carve out, saying quote, they could
Speaker 2: get it done this time because of Cinema and Mansion
Speaker 2: will be gone and they would have Gago in Arizona.
Speaker 2: This is, of course, if Democrats were to take the majority.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I thought that was a really, really
Speaker 2: big deal. We're going to take some questions from the
Speaker 2: chat from locals, from our premium subscribers. Just a reminder, everybody,
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Speaker 2: chat and okay, in enraged Cog says, what have been
Speaker 2: your favorite and your least favorite parts of DNC and
Speaker 2: Chicago so far besides the press badge fiasco.
Speaker 3: Emily, why don't you go first.
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, Enraged Cog is an awesome follower.
Speaker 6: Thank you seriously. Yeah, longtime follower appreciated. Shout out to
Speaker 6: Enraged Cog. I will say we had great Italian beef yesterday.
Speaker 6: That was probably our.
Speaker 2: Festly parents Burger Baron. Shout out to the Burger baron
Speaker 2: here in Chicago.
Speaker 4: Dump very so good.
Speaker 2: We rolled in a m plastic like diner vibe and
Speaker 2: uh what was it?
Speaker 3: We got it dipped? Is that right? We got it dip? Yeah,
Speaker 3: the dip sandwich.
Speaker 4: That was good.
Speaker 3: Ryan. What about you? What was your favorite thing?
Speaker 4: I mean, I love being on the floor and seeing
Speaker 4: all of the like genuine joy. It's just nice to
Speaker 4: see people happy like. You don't see that very often
Speaker 4: in this country. And even though this is a very
Speaker 4: self selected group of people obviously because they're they can
Speaker 4: afford to get to the Democratic Convention and they care
Speaker 4: about Democrats like so, I don't ness necessarily have to
Speaker 4: identify with that. But you know, if it's a knitting
Speaker 4: convention and people are like going nuts over knitting, I'd
Speaker 4: love to see that too. I just love to get
Speaker 4: people into.
Speaker 3: Stuff people happy.
Speaker 6: Yes, I do.
Speaker 3: Can I tell electively happens something.
Speaker 2: My favorite part was a fan interaction with Ryan where
Speaker 2: a guy at the d n c uh just it
Speaker 2: was the kindest fan interaction I've ever seen. He just
Speaker 2: comes up to Ryan and he goes, I just want
Speaker 2: you to know that your work is such an inspiration
Speaker 2: to me and you are the reason that I am
Speaker 2: here right now. And I was like, oh man, that
Speaker 2: is h That's as.
Speaker 4: Good as My favorite was when somebody came up to
Speaker 4: Saga and said, oh, that's right, I actually like you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, that's right line, I actually like you.
Speaker 3: We also he was a kind dude.
Speaker 4: We also met a dude and this I think we
Speaker 4: have a picture to prove it because it sounds unbelievable.
Speaker 4: A guy brought from was it Hawaii?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, he was from Hawaii. That's we brought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he brought two books, The Squad and Populist guy
Speaker 4: from four years ago brought them from Hawaii hoping to
Speaker 4: run into us, and he actually did and he had
Speaker 4: a sharpie.
Speaker 3: It was honestly pretty incredible. Love shout out to that dude.
Speaker 6: Can I do a least favorite?
Speaker 3: Oh go ahead, yeah, we have to.
Speaker 6: So least favorite is that we are we have Dica,
Speaker 6: We have all these Chicago sports around us. I tried
Speaker 6: to put my Brewers out on the table yesterday, but
Speaker 6: I felt really wrong.
Speaker 3: We can't get because.
Speaker 6: We can't disrespect the kindness that's bars Chicago Chicago Podcast.
Speaker 6: This is an amazing studio. It is a little bit
Speaker 6: difficult for me to be behind all Bear's.
Speaker 3: Memorabilia, and I've just got to deal with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I respect the French when you're on, when
Speaker 2: you're in Bear's territory. No, I mean, it's not really
Speaker 2: fair because they said you can't talk about the press credentials.
Speaker 2: But honestly, that was really stressful. Our our producer Mac
Speaker 2: literally had to actually, Mac, would you want to tell
Speaker 2: the story?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I forget.
Speaker 2: You have your own mac, you have your own microphone,
Speaker 2: put your put your camera up, come up on the
Speaker 2: screen and tell everybody what happened. Mac Mike, Yeah there
Speaker 2: is Mac Mike, go ahead.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So I was basically tasked for the break Points crew.
Speaker 11: I was the liaison to go and pick up all
Speaker 11: of our passes and it, no joke, probably took me
Speaker 11: two hours when it should have taken maybe maximum like
Speaker 11: twenty minutes because every police officer, every you know, you know,
Speaker 11: security person who was there, the DNC workers themselves, everybody
Speaker 11: told me something different. I was given a full run around.
Speaker 11: I went inside the convention part, I had to go
Speaker 11: back outside of the convention part. I had to walk
Speaker 11: around this whole security perimeter and I was basically just
Speaker 11: being lied to.
Speaker 3: Right, it was crazy.
Speaker 11: Yeah, a bunch of people who didn't really know what
Speaker 11: was going on.
Speaker 4: What was going on? Yeah, So anyway, that was the
Speaker 4: least our drop site editor in OSCA I think helped.
Speaker 4: She was like, just do not ask the volunteers anything
Speaker 4: because they do not know. She said, go to the
Speaker 4: secret Service because they actually do know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well I guess you know, first time a
Speaker 2: secret service will actually be useful here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my least favorite.
Speaker 2: The logistics have honestly been a massive pain in the ass,
Speaker 2: and we are actually going to do an entire segment
Speaker 2: about that in a little bit, So why don't we
Speaker 2: go ahead? In turn, there was some breaking news actually
Speaker 2: that happened just now that we wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: with RF Kate Junior and his campaign, So his running
Speaker 2: mate Nicole Shanahan appeared on a podcast recently and is
Speaker 2: now talking about dropping out of the race her and
Speaker 2: RFK Junior and endorsing Donald Trump. So Matt, could we
Speaker 2: queue that up please?
Speaker 3: We have the video here, guys, let's go ahead and
Speaker 3: take a listen.
Speaker 12: That tells me right now is that we just have
Speaker 12: to keep being honest. I gotta just keep being honest.
Speaker 12: I gotta keep focusing on what matters the most outside
Speaker 12: of party lines. I need to focus on a vision
Speaker 12: that goes beyond November. And if that means that we
Speaker 12: stay in and you know, there's benefits to staying and
Speaker 12: if we get over five percent of the vote, we
Speaker 12: actually establish ourselves as a party. Seventy one percent of
Speaker 12: Americans want a strong third party with a real shot
Speaker 12: at winning. There's even public funds available if we get
Speaker 12: over five percent of the vote, so we could get
Speaker 12: I think it's like thirteen and a half million dollars
Speaker 12: in public funds to keep the party going. And that's
Speaker 12: you know, that's worth something. That means that we can
Speaker 12: position for a real third party election in twenty twenty
Speaker 12: eight where we don't have to go around and spend
Speaker 12: tens of millions of dollars on ballot access, which means
Speaker 12: that we can spend all of that time and money campaigning.
Speaker 12: So you know, there's two options that we're looking at,
Speaker 12: and one is staying in forming that new party, but
Speaker 12: we run the risk of a Kamala Harris Kamala Harris
Speaker 12: and Walt's presidency because we draw votes from Trump, or
Speaker 12: we draw somehow more votes from Trump, or we walk
Speaker 12: away right now and join forces with Donald Trump, and
Speaker 12: you know, we walk away from that, and we explain
Speaker 12: to our base why we're making this decision. Not easy, clearly, Yeah,
Speaker 12: not an easy decision.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's go over that, because the most consequential
Speaker 2: part is right there at the end. There's two options
Speaker 2: that we're looking at. One is staying in forming the
Speaker 2: new party. But we run the risk of a Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris and a Waltz presidency because we draw more votes
Speaker 2: from Trump. So there is that question. There's a lot
Speaker 2: going on there. I mean, look, we haven't gotten a
Speaker 2: response yet from Bobby or anybody else, but it's pretty
Speaker 2: clear what we.
Speaker 3: Talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 4: This is a campaign.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's literally oh actually there's a bit of news
Speaker 2: on that she got a refund. I'm gonna pull this
Speaker 2: up actually from the campaign here. There was just some
Speaker 2: news that came out this morning. Yeah, Nicole Shanahan got
Speaker 2: a nine hundred and twenty five thousand dollars amount of
Speaker 2: money that she put into the campaign actually refunded last month.
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure how campaign refunds work.
Speaker 4: That's good sometimes align sometimes alone. You can also do
Speaker 4: it weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, let's think about this.
Speaker 2: We haven't heard yet from Bobby or RFK Junior any
Speaker 2: response from the campaign. But regardless, I mean, when the
Speaker 2: campaign's running mate is like, we don't know what to
Speaker 2: do and there haven't been a lot of campaign events
Speaker 2: and she basically is like, we don't want Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: to win, and they would take away vote from Trump
Speaker 2: because empirically now at this point they are taking votes
Speaker 2: away from Trump. It does seem quite both logical if
Speaker 2: that's who they want align themselves with. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: I mean, what a crazy and a shocking thing to
Speaker 2: say kind of out loud if they do stay in
Speaker 2: the race as a running made. Yeah, as a running
Speaker 2: mate especially, I mean it's like, what, wait, so are
Speaker 2: you in this to help?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 3: I mean basically it's like were you in this to
Speaker 3: hurt Joe Biden?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: What are you doing here?
Speaker 6: This is the kind of thing that strategists or aids
Speaker 6: will strategically leak to political playbook, right, Like, this is
Speaker 6: not the kind of thing that you're used to seeing
Speaker 6: just blurted out in full transparency on a podcast the
Speaker 6: running Mate slash Main Financier. Right, she's playing two roles there,
Speaker 6: running mate and major. I should say not Maine, but
Speaker 6: major Financier may be main, but I don't have the
Speaker 6: numbers right in front of me, So it's fascinating. The
Speaker 6: other thing that stood out to me from that I
Speaker 6: haven't seen getting a lot of attention is she says
Speaker 6: if we can get five percent of the.
Speaker 3: Vote, that it's a lot less than they used to.
Speaker 6: See that as a ceiling. The fact that she's talking
Speaker 6: about maybe getting five percent of the vote here in
Speaker 6: August twenty twenty four, when they were hitting up to
Speaker 6: seventeen percent, before they felt like they had really even
Speaker 6: gotten off the ground six months ago, we were talking
Speaker 6: about potential parole levels, and with good reason, because it
Speaker 6: looked like there was a snowball starting to roll down
Speaker 6: the hill with money, with organic support from the public
Speaker 6: a smart strategy, but the fact that right now they're
Speaker 6: only talking about perhaps a ceiling of five percent of
Speaker 6: the vote that is in and of itself from the
Speaker 6: major financier, a major financier and the running mate herself,
Speaker 6: that's huge. This could be a very different convention.
Speaker 4: Also, I questioned her investment acumen. If she's gonna put
Speaker 4: like one hundred million dollars in to earn thirteen points dollars,
Speaker 4: I don't think. Let's see, I think she floated that
Speaker 4: she that she could potentially do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it does just I think. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: this is a bad look for the third party world,
Speaker 2: is the way I'm putting it, because now you're effectively
Speaker 2: taking yourself out of the independent sphere and you're saying, well,
Speaker 2: we actively hate not to both candidates the way that
Speaker 2: I mean. One of the things that Bobby always tries
Speaker 2: to do is be like, look, I don't agree with Trump,
Speaker 2: I don't like Trump, I don't want to endorse Trump.
Speaker 2: There's so many things I'm very different here. That's why
Speaker 2: that you should vote for me. I am also not
Speaker 2: like the Democrats. I've been sold out on or whatever
Speaker 2: on X.
Speaker 3: Y, and Z.
Speaker 2: But with this running mate situation, You're like, well, it
Speaker 2: would mean Kamala Harrison Waltz would win and it would
Speaker 2: draw votes away from Trump. So do we drop out
Speaker 2: and endorse him? You're like, wow, Okay, well that's actually
Speaker 2: a very different look for the third party system. And frankly,
Speaker 2: a lot of the appeal that RFK had I actually
Speaker 2: thought a huge amount of the appeal that he's had,
Speaker 2: just anecdotally from talking from people who are independent is they.
Speaker 3: Don't like Trump either. If they did, they would vote
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 6: It was the double haters with Trump and.
Speaker 2: Biden Bingo exactly. So whenever you kind of explicitly align
Speaker 2: yourself with Trump. And again, to be clear, Kennedy's not
Speaker 2: done this, but I mean having his running made do
Speaker 2: it is very significant. So Ryan, I wonder if this
Speaker 2: comment itself. I don't know if RFK junior voters who
Speaker 2: are already you know, I mean, they're very enthusiastic, people
Speaker 2: are going to be happy with him, you know, for
Speaker 2: his running me saying.
Speaker 4: This, no, it's yes, it's totally bizarre, right, Like Emily said,
Speaker 4: it's so weird to see it done kind of out
Speaker 4: in the open like that. And we've had this long,
Speaker 4: long running conversation about who does he hurt more, Biden
Speaker 4: or Trump. And for her to just come out and
Speaker 4: say like, actually, we are going to hurt Donald Trump
Speaker 4: if we stay in the race, and therefore we think
Speaker 4: we might need to get out is such a curveball.
Speaker 4: From the beginning when Democrats were panicked, Yeah, that Kennedy
Speaker 4: was going to be drawing.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, honestly, Republican should be the one.
Speaker 4: Didn't he did.
Speaker 3: He run initially briefly in the Yeah, Democratic primary.
Speaker 2: Basically they forced him out because he wasn't allowed basically
Speaker 2: to do anything.
Speaker 3: Biden wouldn't debate him.
Speaker 2: They effectively pretended he didn't exist, even though he was
Speaker 2: pulling at like twenty percent. Yeah, I thought it was
Speaker 2: smart that he did.
Speaker 3: The third party.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I mean, this is the
Speaker 2: thing as a part as a person who actually does
Speaker 2: care about the third party ecosystem, it is disappointing because
Speaker 2: she's correct both about the amount of money public funds
Speaker 2: and the ballot access and being able to build something
Speaker 2: around some sort of unity ticket. That's how all third
Speaker 2: parties start. They start out very very small. I mean,
Speaker 2: look at Europe, you can go from literally five percent
Speaker 2: of the vote. Look at what the Front Nationale or
Speaker 2: whatever in France, you can literally go from like five
Speaker 2: percent to like the number two party in the.
Speaker 4: Entire country parliamentary system.
Speaker 2: But yeah, sure, but here, I mean, it's all about
Speaker 2: ballot access, it's about names, and this is something that
Speaker 2: what was the ticket that Trump ran on in two thousand,
Speaker 2: what was that called?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was thought a theory of.
Speaker 2: This was the original theory of the Reform Party, which
Speaker 2: was birth from the Ross Perrot I mean victory for
Speaker 2: third party candidates, and so that was a brief moment
Speaker 2: in time where it seemed likely. So anyway, I think
Speaker 2: it's very disappointing for like the overall third party system.
Speaker 2: But generally I think it's a bad look for RFK honestly,
Speaker 2: And if you nef he does do it, it does
Speaker 2: look like you were kind of in this all along
Speaker 2: to just hurt Joe Biden, and I mean, and that's
Speaker 2: that's not what you set out to do with.
Speaker 4: What people in RFK Junior's social circle said at the
Speaker 4: time was that he because of who he and Cheryl
Speaker 4: Hines are friends with and the dinner parties that they
Speaker 4: go to et cetera. Right, They don't want to do
Speaker 4: anything to help elect Trump. They don't want Sharia Hines
Speaker 4: definitely does it, definitely doesn't want.
Speaker 2: They don't want to be the Ralph Nader of two
Speaker 2: thousand and like socially for a while.
Speaker 3: Or the Jill Stein. I mean he was killed if
Speaker 3: you'll remember that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so to go from there to now the
Speaker 4: vice presidential Namine is worried about hurting Trump is just
Speaker 4: a wild swing.
Speaker 6: Certainly my predictions he just drops out.
Speaker 3: It could be.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's really the because he's plummeting right. Well,
Speaker 4: he five is not a floor for him, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: those arrows are pointed.
Speaker 6: Downward, right, And to navigate all of those different sort
Speaker 6: of scenarios, as we were just discussing, the best thing
Speaker 6: to do is just quietly drop out and say I
Speaker 6: was crushed by the DNC machine. I was crushed by
Speaker 6: the anti third party machine of American politics. I was
Speaker 6: crushed by the establishment, and maybe try to rebuild something
Speaker 6: else afterwards. But Soccer's point is so important that this
Speaker 6: candidacy was built on was built on double haters, It
Speaker 6: was built on people being upset with both Trump and Biden.
Speaker 6: It's viewers of shows like this like who just can't
Speaker 6: stand what both parties are doing and you cannot capitulate
Speaker 6: to that at all.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's take some questions from the chat. We're gonna
Speaker 2: take what five questions?
Speaker 3: Griffin?
Speaker 4: Yeah, three to four.
Speaker 2: We'll take three to four questions, and then we actually
Speaker 2: have a guest standing by. So while we stand by
Speaker 2: and get that guest ready, Crystal actually taped a monologue
Speaker 2: and a reaction to last night that we will play
Speaker 2: for all of you. So let's go ahead and begin
Speaker 2: with questions from locals. A reminder everybody visa from our
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Speaker 2: who is that dude on the couch? That's producer Griffin. Y.
Speaker 2: How do people not know producer Griffin?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: That's that.
Speaker 2: This is a man who literally when I'm from barstool, Yeah, Griffin's.
Speaker 6: Are at this mustache and the thrift store, Grandma Sweater.
Speaker 9: I bring the ghosts.
Speaker 3: He's our ghost supplier. Actually, he's the distributor. Emily, did
Speaker 3: you bring bud light line? To Chicago. No, but the
Speaker 3: drink bud light line.
Speaker 6: I think I said something recently about how bud lightline
Speaker 6: is not a bad it's not a bad beverage, it's
Speaker 6: not bad. But I did I did buy some Corona
Speaker 6: for us, But that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: Do you think, oh, do you think RFK Junior is
Speaker 2: just fielding cabinet position proposals? This is from cibus one?
Speaker 3: Oh one? What do you think you think he wants?
Speaker 2: I mean, allegedly, the reporting was that he went to
Speaker 2: Trump and was like, give me hhs and I'll drop
Speaker 2: out and endorse you, and.
Speaker 3: They said no.
Speaker 6: Well, if you remember at the R and C we
Speaker 6: were supposed to interview, that's true, you would, Bobby.
Speaker 2: I don't really remember all this because I was because
Speaker 2: I was in the midst of winning planning.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6: But the video leaked of uh that that conversation, and
Speaker 6: so his day got completely shot and I think that's
Speaker 6: where we started to really see the momentum halting, is
Speaker 6: that it looked like he was coosing up to Trump.
Speaker 6: But I think maybe it was more than anything. I'm
Speaker 6: curious what you guys think, but more than anything, I
Speaker 6: think it's just sort of a way to negotiate a
Speaker 6: good exit at this point. I don't think he had
Speaker 6: that in mind, but I think it's what maybe it's becoming.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Ryan, you think he's going for
Speaker 3: a cabinet position under Trump?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean more importantly, I won't Trump give it to
Speaker 3: him now.
Speaker 4: So the reporting was that the Trump campaign felt that
Speaker 4: it was too aggressive and explicit of a quid pro quo. Right,
Speaker 4: he denied that. When when we reported this originally at Counterpoints,
Speaker 4: I did not mention that RFK Junior denied it. My
Speaker 4: apologies for not mentioning that accountability here.
Speaker 3: It also doesn't sound the Senate. Yeah, good point.
Speaker 4: Well there's there's our positions. Yeah, you can take it.
Speaker 4: You could take it. Could be the vitamins are.
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, be worse.
Speaker 2: Here is a question. This is interesting. I've been tracking
Speaker 2: this little bit. Guak ain't free. Do you plan to
Speaker 2: discuss the expected massive reduction in new jobs announced tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Could this be politically impactful? So for people who don't
Speaker 2: haven't been tracking this, it's actually pretty fascinating story. I
Speaker 2: think the Bureau of Labor Statistics is scheduled to revise
Speaker 2: down some millions of jobs allegedly created by the Biden administration. Ryan,
Speaker 2: and the way it works, just everybody knows that BLS
Speaker 2: is not like A it's not like A it's not
Speaker 2: actually all that accurate. They use statistical sampling, and they
Speaker 2: use other basically efforts to estimate how many jobs, and
Speaker 2: they do frequently have to revise things down. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Ryan phillis in tell.
Speaker 4: Us what it What it means is that we'll probably
Speaker 4: get a half point Yeah, cut rate cuts. So the
Speaker 4: question for the Fed in weeks now it seems to
Speaker 4: have gone, according to Wall Street and other people watching it,
Speaker 4: not from the question of will they cut rates, but
Speaker 4: will they cut rates by the traditional quarter point or
Speaker 4: will they cut rates by half a point. The reason
Speaker 4: that they have not cut rates, despite the Biden administration
Speaker 4: and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie and everybody like hounding them
Speaker 4: to do it saying that they're going to throw people
Speaker 4: out of work, is they were looking at these BLS
Speaker 4: numbers and saying, well, look, these people are telling us
Speaker 4: that we're actually seeing this robust job growth. So therefore
Speaker 4: we need to keep the screws on the American worker.
Speaker 4: You need to tighten the screws, and we're going to
Speaker 4: keep interest rates high. So those numbers proving to be
Speaker 4: incorrect mean that their policy was wrong. Elizabeth Warren was right,
Speaker 4: they should have cut rates sooner. Jerome Pow was wrong,
Speaker 4: which means it's very likely you get a half point cut,
Speaker 4: which means Wall Street will be happy, You'll get a
Speaker 4: little stock market jump, and people will see mortgage interest
Speaker 4: rates come down, which then goose's home sales and other
Speaker 4: lending and potentially economic growth. And you will see Trump
Speaker 4: absolutely livid. How dare Jerome Palell? I'm going to put
Speaker 4: them up against the wall of I win.
Speaker 3: Ryan.
Speaker 2: A lot of people in the chat want this question
Speaker 2: from you. This is Keim McQuaid question for Ryan. What
Speaker 2: do you make of AOC's positioning in the party and
Speaker 2: her future aspirations and potential?
Speaker 3: A lot of people wanted to hear it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean she has She has gone from somebody
Speaker 4: who might have gotten boot and hissed at a convention
Speaker 4: if it were held in like let's say you had
Speaker 4: a convention in early twenty nineteen, when she's like battling
Speaker 4: Pelosi and the squad is like, you know, having weekly
Speaker 4: censure resolutions for anti Semitic activity to now getting a
Speaker 4: rousing ovation from the Democratic Party. Faithful to the extent
Speaker 4: that she offers any criticisms of the party, she couches
Speaker 4: them in this very politic way of like the great
Speaker 4: example of Kamala Harris is working tirelessly towards a ceasefire
Speaker 4: because in Gaza. So she he comes, on the one hand,
Speaker 4: the only elected official to make mention Gaza, but does
Speaker 4: it in a way knowing that that will ruffle like
Speaker 4: believe it or not, that will ruffle a couple of feathers,
Speaker 4: just just the mentioning of Gaza, but does it in
Speaker 4: a way that is supportive. And anytime she would get
Speaker 4: asked about Biden she or Gaza like, she would come
Speaker 4: back with kind of supportive things and talking about how
Speaker 4: bad the second Trump term would be. She's stuck hard
Speaker 4: with hard maybe hardest with Biden out of anybody in
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party. And so she has positioned herself in
Speaker 4: a way such that party activists who very much distrusted
Speaker 4: her before are huge fans now. And you could imagine
Speaker 4: that that has positioned her in future years for constant
Speaker 4: talk of is she going to run for president?
Speaker 2: I think she's been a good Democrat. I don't just
Speaker 2: say that in terms of disparaging way. I'm like, she's
Speaker 2: a party woman. There's pluses and mi ass to that.
Speaker 2: I think as everybody knows. For people who supported her,
Speaker 2: it's not what people it's not what people thought thought.
Speaker 2: I guess it's what some people wanted, not necessarily some
Speaker 2: of her original supporters.
Speaker 4: Last question, Bert Bernie was Bernie was always a very
Speaker 4: loyal Democrat too, for his entire career. He was, but
Speaker 4: he was called an independent even though he caucused with Democrats,
Speaker 4: and he called himself a democratic socialist and he was.
Speaker 4: He was not as much of a celebrity when he
Speaker 4: came in, so he was not on cable like. People
Speaker 4: didn't actually practically ever heard of him other than as
Speaker 4: a quirk. So she's had a different path to navigate
Speaker 4: because she he didn't have to care what national Democrats
Speaker 4: cared about.
Speaker 3: Fair point.
Speaker 2: Last question is for me use her name triple three.
Speaker 2: How does Sager find a balance reporting on JD Vance
Speaker 2: when he's friends. Is it difficult to hear all of
Speaker 2: the brilliant jokes. Yeah, I mean it is. I mean
Speaker 2: I try to disclose it, right, Emily. I think I
Speaker 2: do a good job. I'm usually like, hey, everybody, just
Speaker 2: so everybody knows, I was a known guy for a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I won't lie.
Speaker 4: And part of the.
Speaker 2: Reason I disclose it is that if I seem salty
Speaker 2: or something, it's probably because I am.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's weird.
Speaker 2: As some might say, to see somebody who you know
Speaker 2: on a personal level kind of become this national figure
Speaker 2: and people develop like a not only even a parasocial relationship,
Speaker 2: but like people don't know anything about them, so you
Speaker 2: can't help but see the person that you kind of
Speaker 2: know at a dinner, right, everybody at home try and
Speaker 2: empathize with this somebody that you know, like your buddy
Speaker 2: or something like that. We're not all that close, but
Speaker 2: you know somebody who you know, and then they become
Speaker 2: like a national flashpoint.
Speaker 3: That's it's an odd sensation.
Speaker 2: So I do always try and couch my criticism or
Speaker 2: even my analysis in all that, because I think it
Speaker 2: would be genuinely impossible for me to be objective on
Speaker 2: the subject, like I want the Republican Party to go
Speaker 2: in a certain direction. I think he probably best exemplifies
Speaker 2: that I was very enthusiastic about him becoming the vice president.
Speaker 2: I won't lie, you know, seeing some of the attacks
Speaker 2: and the negativity and all that, it does make me
Speaker 2: question sometimes the political, you know, viability of this entire project.
Speaker 3: I'm like, can this shit even work?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, does it?
Speaker 2: What does America even want? I honestly don't know. So
Speaker 2: what's it been like for you?
Speaker 3: Because you know, you don't know? I guess as well,
Speaker 3: not as well as tangentially you do.
Speaker 2: So like, what what do you think from an outsider perspective,
Speaker 2: like people, me, my social group and all that, how
Speaker 2: we've been handling this because I think there and look
Speaker 2: speaking for them, there's been a lot of cope.
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, there's been cope.
Speaker 6: It was really funny at your wedding, by the way,
Speaker 6: because it.
Speaker 3: Had Yeah, yeah, that's true. That had just happened.
Speaker 6: It just happened.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: It's interesting because also this a lot of these conversations
Speaker 6: have been hashed out in public and podcasting spaces, and
Speaker 6: that's been one of the things that has hurt JD.
Speaker 6: I did a whole segment a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 6: on this project twenty twenty five hit against JD on
Speaker 6: a video that I had filmed. Yeah, that year's back,
Speaker 6: and it's just like he was saying exactly what he
Speaker 6: believed because he you know, he was thinking about running
Speaker 6: for Senate at the time. But just one of those
Speaker 6: things where it's just one of those things where I
Speaker 6: think one of the cool things about what we do,
Speaker 6: all of us, is that you don't get from legacy
Speaker 6: media people being honest about this stuff. Right, they just
Speaker 6: have those relationships and don't ever talk about bait.
Speaker 3: They have these behind the scenes and they won't even
Speaker 3: tell you. Yeah, I'm telling you.
Speaker 6: Who was what the Supreme Court and Ruth Bader get.
Speaker 3: With Ruth Bader.
Speaker 6: Ginsburg for you.
Speaker 4: So I think this situation is actually the hardest for
Speaker 4: me because like when when you say, for instance, that
Speaker 4: you want to you think about how you couch your language.
Speaker 4: I want to tell a couch joke, but I can, oh,
Speaker 4: you can tell you because I'm like, oh, that's Sager's body.
Speaker 4: I can't do that.
Speaker 3: It's falls to the wall.
Speaker 2: I do. I have a deep respect for the left's
Speaker 2: ability to mean, and I did not that I would
Speaker 2: ever say those were I actually think the left.
Speaker 3: Was very bad at memes at a time like that.
Speaker 2: They're doing a good job these days. And yeah, shout
Speaker 2: out to Anne Johnson. Uh So, one of my friends
Speaker 2: has a theory on this, and I'll flow is quite
Speaker 2: controversial theory.
Speaker 3: His theory is that.
Speaker 2: Because a lot of the online right wingers are upset
Speaker 2: with Trump over Israel and all this other stuff, that
Speaker 2: they're not bringing their best They're not like bringing their
Speaker 2: best memurs against Kama. And when he said that, I
Speaker 2: was like, no, there's something to it.
Speaker 3: I think he's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about people. People are out there sitting
Speaker 2: making me and shit posting all day. You're freacking loser,
Speaker 2: all right, Like, let's be honest.
Speaker 6: You're talking about like Groper's.
Speaker 3: It's not just Groper's.
Speaker 4: It's like a million memers. You're gonna get a good
Speaker 4: meme out of that. And I'm just saying, look, look
Speaker 4: what Trump has to deal with, like online Ai Taylor
Speaker 4: Swift stuff.
Speaker 3: He's got no good guest. Young online guys are not
Speaker 3: meaning the way they weren't twenty.
Speaker 6: Sixteen because of our the Donald.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was are the Donald, Like there was some
Speaker 2: series like the meme disparity at that time was immense,
Speaker 2: so then watching the couch thing like explode, I was
Speaker 2: just like wow, I mean, what can I say, you know,
Speaker 2: like respect, Like it's not even real, but let's be real,
Speaker 2: Like this genuinely enter the zeitgeist to the point where
Speaker 2: fucking Vice residential candidate Tim Walls like makes a joke
Speaker 2: about it on stage and everyone in the audience knew
Speaker 2: what he was talking about. Like, you can't, you can't
Speaker 2: just at least admire that they were able to culturally
Speaker 2: make that into a thing. And I do think for
Speaker 2: all the talk of mainstream media and you know, the
Speaker 2: right has a lot of dissonant power on the Internet
Speaker 2: and all of that, my main lesson is like when
Speaker 2: the left wants to kill somebody, like they just can't
Speaker 2: and they can do it overnight, you know if they.
Speaker 6: Well, because the media gives them a huge shot in
Speaker 6: the arm, there's no question about it. And then on
Speaker 6: top of it, the weird attack. You have to have
Speaker 6: to have to give a shout out to Dems for
Speaker 6: making that stick. It's so smart, it's so smart. It's
Speaker 6: not that they don't have any of their own weirdness
Speaker 6: going on, because I actually think they have plenty of it.
Speaker 6: But but you know, if you can make that stick politically, strategically,
Speaker 6: respect because it's it can take people down pretty easily.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, no, you're weird because you want
Speaker 2: trance whatever, and yeah, but then they'll be like, you're
Speaker 2: the weirdo, You're the one bringing trans In this convo,
Speaker 2: he's kind of one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why are you talking about Tampa? Why are you
Speaker 3: talking about that? You're the weirdo. You just brought up me,
Speaker 3: But you did it.
Speaker 4: And and but like you just brought up Tampa.
Speaker 2: But my point is that we're I even openly admit this.
Speaker 2: It's weird to bring it up because who is even
Speaker 2: obsessing about this online? But it's like, but you're the
Speaker 2: ones who made it into the thing. And nature of
Speaker 2: the defensive nature of much of right wing politics, by definition,
Speaker 2: uh is can be. It can be a strength whenever
Speaker 2: the left is overwhelmingly pushing a message like BLM and
Speaker 2: it's very unpopular. But in this case, I think it's
Speaker 2: very difficult for the right because what they've decided to
Speaker 2: do is to meme past Trump and just say he's irrelevant.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: There he goes again.
Speaker 2: I roll And I think the I roll may be
Speaker 2: the most brilliant thing that they have done yet. Well,
Speaker 2: because they're not reacting to him, they're just pretending he
Speaker 2: doesn't exists I do, which denies him a lot of power.
Speaker 6: I have a very quick point on that, which is
Speaker 6: Walls in the weird attack that he is leveled every
Speaker 6: time he talks about books in schools. And it's a
Speaker 6: reminder that you know, according to pen America, the number
Speaker 6: one most targeted book from these so called book bands
Speaker 6: is gender Queer, and conservatives will take a page out
Speaker 6: of the book of Gender Queer literally with these illustrations
Speaker 6: of oral sex that are intended for teenage.
Speaker 3: They're sick, they are, and then put them.
Speaker 6: Up on the screen and it's like, Okay, well bro,
Speaker 6: that's kind of weird too, Like why are you tweeting?
Speaker 3: It's like, what, you know, you have.
Speaker 6: To have the conversation, you have to do it, yes.
Speaker 4: And yeah, go ahead. One other point, because Sager and
Speaker 4: I were talking about this this morning. In twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: Hugh Post put Trump in the entertainment section. Thought it
Speaker 4: was a poorly executed move, but the insight behind it
Speaker 4: was interesting, which was Democrats are approaching Trump wrong. Like
Speaker 4: they're they're saying they're putting the six year olds on
Speaker 4: TV saying like this is so horrible that like, look
Speaker 4: at these things he's saying. He's so mean, He's like
Speaker 4: he's scary, he's going to a dictator. And our argument was, no,
Speaker 4: the guy's a clown and you need to laugh at him,
Speaker 4: and he cannot handle being laughed at. And I do
Speaker 4: think that that insight is being proven correct by the
Speaker 4: way that the eye roll and the weird attack is
Speaker 4: actually landing on him. So I think I think we
Speaker 4: were right on the substance. We just didn't pull it off.
Speaker 3: There you go. Okay, that's been a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: We will take more throughout the stream. Don't worry. So
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how nice it is that I
Speaker 2: didn't have to do that is to do it. So
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I got to sit back, I
Speaker 2: got to take a sip of this ghost energy drink
Speaker 2: and I was like, what a beautiful moment. All right,
Speaker 2: let's go ahead and cue this up. Crystal very kindly
Speaker 2: filmed a reaction for all of us, So let's go
Speaker 2: ahead and queue it up, and we're going to take
Speaker 2: a listen. I haven't been we haven't heard from her yet.
Speaker 2: She will be here tomorrow. Don't worry.
Speaker 3: We've been text and while we yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course we've been texting. We went she'd been very
Speaker 2: active on the group chat. Don't worry, she's not gone.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and listen to Crystal. And while that happens,
Speaker 2: just if people hear anything in the background, we are
Speaker 2: going to be setting up a guest live here in
Speaker 2: the studio.
Speaker 3: Mac take it away.
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Crystal here. I've been holding down the fort
Speaker 1: back home, but excited to hop on a plane to
Speaker 1: get to Chicago tomorrow and join the rest of the crew.
Speaker 1: Have been doing a fantastic job reporting live from the
Speaker 1: scene there at the DNC. Wanted to take just a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes though, to give you my reactions, kind
Speaker 1: of top line thoughts about the DNC from day one.
Speaker 1: I think the intention was to make this a day
Speaker 1: where they could kind of bury the past as embodied
Speaker 1: by Hillary Clinton and of course, most specifically Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: There was some awkwardness involved here because the speeches and
Speaker 1: everything was very I guess poorly organized, went way too long.
Speaker 1: The DNC planners are saying, oh, it was because the
Speaker 1: applause was so raucous that we didn't even get to
Speaker 1: Joe Biden until eleven thirty at night. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that it's a really bad thing from their perspective, because
Speaker 1: mostly Joe Biden just served as a reminder of why
Speaker 1: people were so relieved that he's off the ticket. But
Speaker 1: I'll get to all of that. I thought i'd just
Speaker 1: go through kind of the good, the bad, and the
Speaker 1: extremely cringe Hillary fight song looking at you with that one,
Speaker 1: and talk through what I thought were some of the
Speaker 1: best moments. And there were some good moments and some
Speaker 1: of the what I would consider just absolutely morally unconscionable moments.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't surprise you what topic that is on, but
Speaker 1: I'll start with the positive most of the night up
Speaker 1: until really you got to Hillary Clinton. I thought Democrats
Speaker 1: displayed a much sharper and more effective way of attacking
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And of contrasting their own agenda with the
Speaker 1: Republican Trumpian agenda. Frankly, it was a lot of class war.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: They really highlighted a lot of different union leaders. The
Speaker 1: apex of that was Sean Fain, who's the new president
Speaker 1: of the UAW, who gave a barn burner of the speech.
Speaker 1: He's a fantastically talented speaker and leader. He's the one
Speaker 1: who really helped to secure incredible gains for auto workers
Speaker 1: in America using his strike strategy. And he was wearing
Speaker 1: a shirt that said Donald Trump is a scab, and
Speaker 1: he led the whole room in a chant of Trumps
Speaker 1: a scab. Which having been at the DNC back in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when it was Hillary Clinton, I cannot tell
Speaker 1: you how different a politics that is versus what was doing,
Speaker 1: what we were doing back then, you know, the identity politics,
Speaker 1: the trailblazing, the moralizing, etc. So huge distinction from the
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton approach to Donald Trump, which was very much
Speaker 1: demonstrated later when Hillary Clinton herself spoke, and also a
Speaker 1: big distinction from how Joe Biden approached the you know,
Speaker 1: going after Donald Trump, where it was much more sanctum,
Speaker 1: ammonious but also much more sort of gloves on, like
Speaker 1: unwilling to really throw a hard punch. This was much
Speaker 1: more unvarnished, gloves off partisan in sort of a positive
Speaker 1: connotation in the word.
Speaker 6: You know, it was not.
Speaker 1: Afraid of a divisive politics, and I'm not afraid of
Speaker 1: a divisive politics when it comes to divisions along the
Speaker 1: correct lines. And for part of the night they did that,
Speaker 1: you know, very class focused with Sean Fain with a
Speaker 1: bunch of labor leaders. AOC speech hit some of those
Speaker 1: themes as well. Others did too. You also brought in
Speaker 1: some of sort of the best of the resistance lib
Speaker 1: attacks on Trump. It may be cringed to a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but I do think like the comp versus
Speaker 1: the criminal stuff is very effective. They had a video
Speaker 1: that was very effective in that regard. I thought Congresswoman
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, who is very talented and very charismatic individual,
Speaker 1: I thought she did a good job of sort of
Speaker 1: landing those blows as well. And you had some interesting
Speaker 1: to me, you know, as like a wonk and someone
Speaker 1: who really cares about this policy stuff. You had a
Speaker 1: really interesting moment from of all people, Commerce Secretary Gina Raymondo,
Speaker 1: who you may not have any clue who she is,
Speaker 1: but she is the former governor of Rhode Island and
Speaker 1: a former venture capitalist and is from the decidedly planted
Speaker 1: in the corporate wing of the Democratic Party, in the
Speaker 1: pro Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party. And she
Speaker 1: came out and was singing from the hymnal of Lena
Speaker 1: Khan and talking up the anti monopoly efforts of this administration.
Speaker 1: And why is that exciting to me? Because that's an
Speaker 1: indication that that battle is deaf is basically one like
Speaker 1: all the you know, reied Hoffman and everybody else, all
Speaker 1: these other billionaires who were coming out trying to pressure
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris to fire Lena Khan, to stop the direction
Speaker 1: that the Biden administration was going on in one of
Speaker 1: the better things that they've done in terms of anti
Speaker 1: trust and taking on corporate power, et cetera. Not going
Speaker 1: to happen. That fight If you have Gina Raymondo talking
Speaker 1: about anti trust actions at her DNC speech, that battle
Speaker 1: is over. That fight as one. So that was very
Speaker 1: heartening to see. On a separate note, there were a
Speaker 1: number of women who came forward and gave really personal
Speaker 1: testimony about the way the ending of Roe versus Weide
Speaker 1: had been personally devastating to them, including a young woman
Speaker 1: from Kentucky who had been raped by her stepfather and
Speaker 1: she had been the subject of an incredibly powerful ad
Speaker 1: on behalf of Andy Basheer, and he was running for
Speaker 1: governor reelection in Kentucky and he ends up winning that
Speaker 1: race even in Kentucky by five percentage boyds. Andy Bisheer
Speaker 1: also spoke, I thought that was really powerful. I thought
Speaker 1: hearing from them directly, these real people, real families, real stories,
Speaker 1: I thought that landed. Obviously, that's an issue that is
Speaker 1: going to be really important to Democrats. And Andy Basheer
Speaker 1: went on to kind of emphasize some of those points.
Speaker 1: So in any case, when they were doing you know,
Speaker 1: the more class war framing Trump as an out of touch, fraudster,
Speaker 1: billionaire criminal, I thought that all from just a partisan
Speaker 1: political perspective, I think it worked well. I also think
Speaker 1: it's more in line with the you know, the type
Speaker 1: of politics I would like to see that is focused
Speaker 1: on economics and working class economics, working class power, the
Speaker 1: heavy intentional presence of labor, and the excitement around that.
Speaker 1: Again huge contrast with back in twenty sixteen, when those
Speaker 1: sorts of issues were really being sidelined. So that's the good.
Speaker 1: The cringe was very obviously Hillary Clinton Kathy Hokel, also
Speaker 1: governor of New York. Terrible speech, terrible speaker. It's incredible
Speaker 1: that such an untalented person is governor of such an
Speaker 1: important state. Put that one to the side. The Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton speech was everything you would expect. It was highly narcissistic.
Speaker 1: She did get a raucous applause in the room.
Speaker 3: They love her.
Speaker 6: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: This is the person who is most approximately responsible for
Speaker 1: putting Donald Trump in the White House, but she has
Speaker 1: successfully rehabbed herself with the Democratic Party faithful. Not so
Speaker 1: much with the rest of the country. But you know,
Speaker 1: she went through it was very twenty sixteen. It was
Speaker 1: very like, you know, here's the glass ceiling that I
Speaker 1: wasn't quite able to shatter, and here's Kamala Harris historic identity,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And I think in general, the
Speaker 1: Harris Walls campaign has been very intelligent and very effective
Speaker 1: in letting her trail blazing status speak for itself, like
Speaker 1: we can all see that you're a biracial woman, it's
Speaker 1: not a surprise. So then when she finishes her speech
Speaker 1: and they play her off to fight song, which just
Speaker 1: hearing it at all is extremely triggering for me. After
Speaker 1: through that whole experience, it you know, really encapsulated just
Speaker 1: how failed her politics are, how cringy her politics are.
Speaker 1: There was a moment there too that caught people's attention
Speaker 1: where the crowds started cheering lock him up while Hillary speaking.
Speaker 1: That was probably the highlight of Hillary speech, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, she looked very pleased during all of that,
Speaker 1: but you know, fair enough, fair enough, since she had
Speaker 1: that chanted to her the whole time she was running
Speaker 1: for office. Interestingly commel in particular, I think Tim Walls too.
Speaker 1: When people have been chanting that at their rallies, they've
Speaker 1: tried to tamp it down and say, no, no, no, we're
Speaker 1: going to beat him electorally. Let the judicial system handle that.
Speaker 1: Hillary had no such qualms about letting the cheers ring out,
Speaker 1: and again suppose that's her prerogative given what they put
Speaker 1: through her through on the bad It's very difficult to
Speaker 1: talk about this convention, this party, this ticket, this current
Speaker 1: president without the giant elephant in the room, which is
Speaker 1: that all of these people are enabling horrifying atrocities that
Speaker 1: are occurring on a daily basis in the Gaza Strip
Speaker 1: against the Palestinian people. They continue to ship weapons.
Speaker 3: You know, as we.
Speaker 1: Speak, there are these supposed ceasefire talks that once again
Speaker 1: the administration is complet completely running cover for BB NETANYAHUO
Speaker 1: saying oh, well, Israel accepted the ceasefire terms and now
Speaker 1: it's just Hamas that's standing in the way. In reality,
Speaker 1: what Netanyaho put forward and accepted isn't even a ceasefire.
Speaker 1: The qualm that the biggest colm that Hamas has with
Speaker 1: this proposal is that it's literally not a ceasefire. And
Speaker 1: of course they've completely moved the goalpost. Hamas did agree
Speaker 1: to the deal that Israel had supposedly also accepted back
Speaker 1: several months ago, and they just keep adding conditions until
Speaker 1: they get to the point where, of course Hamas is
Speaker 1: not going to accept a ceasefire that is not actually
Speaker 1: a ceasefire. So you know, that's the context that hangs
Speaker 1: over all of this. You had quite large protests yesterday.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were as large as the organizers
Speaker 1: hope they would be. But they were still significant. You
Speaker 1: actually had protesters who jumped up during Biden's speech, and
Speaker 1: kudos to Ryan, he was all over this. He's one
Speaker 1: of the only reporters you know, got a heads up
Speaker 1: about the about this was able to you know, able
Speaker 1: to record this as it all went down, and the
Speaker 1: response from the crowd was was horrifying.
Speaker 3: Honestly.
Speaker 1: One person was hitting one of the Muslim women who
Speaker 1: was holding up this banner with a sign that said
Speaker 1: I Love Joe of all things, hitting her in the
Speaker 1: head with that, and obviously, you know, crowd was doing
Speaker 1: their best to cover up the sign with their I
Speaker 1: Love Joe signs that they were holding.
Speaker 3: So there was that.
Speaker 1: One of the most outrageous moments to me was when
Speaker 1: AOC is speaking, and this is someone who has under
Speaker 1: pressure called Israel's assault on Gaza accurately a genocide, and
Speaker 1: then she gets up there, you know, in front of
Speaker 1: an adoring crowd, shows her complete transition into being a
Speaker 1: mainstream Democratic party figure. She gets up in front of
Speaker 1: this adoring crowd and swears that Kamala Harris is working
Speaker 1: night and day for a ceasefire. There's no evidence that
Speaker 1: that that's just not true. And so you know, it's
Speaker 1: one thing to say, as I think many people feel, okay, well,
Speaker 1: Trump would be worse. And there are things about the
Speaker 1: Biden hair, you know, Biden Harris administration that I appreciate.
Speaker 1: On the domestic front, there are these concerns about democracy,
Speaker 1: abortion right, whatever it is. And when I weigh it
Speaker 1: all in the balance, even though I am utterly horrified
Speaker 1: by the atrocities that are happening here, we have to
Speaker 1: still get behind this ticket. It's another thing to just
Speaker 1: lie given the current context, and if Kamala Harris differs
Speaker 1: from Joe Biden on Gaza, she needs to come out
Speaker 1: and say it. So far, all we've gotten is, you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit of tone shift. We've gotten a positive
Speaker 1: indicator and picking Tim Walls over Josh Shapiro. Whether it
Speaker 1: was for that reason or not, we don't really know.
Speaker 1: We've gotten more engagement. And I'm someone who is actually
Speaker 1: hopeful that because she's not an id law in the
Speaker 1: way that Joe Biden would be. I'm not expecting her
Speaker 1: to turn into Rashida to leave, but I do think
Speaker 1: that she would be more subtic to pressure. And I
Speaker 1: think any like normal Democrat who was just weighing the
Speaker 1: political benefit and political cost of this strategy, putting the
Speaker 1: morality aside, would have abandoned or never taken the bb
Speaker 1: ninya who bear hug strategy in the first place. But
Speaker 1: I have come to think that this idea that because
Speaker 1: she's in the administration, she can't really break with Biden.
Speaker 1: I think this is nonsense. I think this is an excuse.
Speaker 1: I think it's cope. So if there is a change
Speaker 1: in strategy approach, if there is distance, she needs to
Speaker 1: come out and say that. So anyway, that was from
Speaker 1: AOC and as someone who you know, she's supposed to
Speaker 1: be this beacon of progressivism and have this base among progressives,
Speaker 1: just just covering up for them when you've you have
Speaker 1: accurately called it a genocide. I don't I think that's inexcusable.
Speaker 1: At the same time, Joe Biden, you know, is interesting
Speaker 1: speaking of tone shit, in his speech, he kind of
Speaker 1: said some of the right things in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: we need to cease fire, we want peace, putting an
Speaker 1: emphasis that he normally doesn't on Gaza civilian life. But
Speaker 1: again it rings so hollow when you consider you just
Speaker 1: ship more weapons and you are right now running cover
Speaker 1: for these atrocities that continue to kill, sicken, wound, displace Palestinians.
Speaker 1: I can play for you what he said, and then
Speaker 1: I'll react a little more on the other side. Let
Speaker 1: me go ahead and pull this up.
Speaker 7: I wrote a peace treaty for Gaza a few days ago.
Speaker 7: I put forward a proposals that brought us closer to
Speaker 7: doing that than we've done. In October seventh, we're working
Speaker 7: around the clock. My Secretary of State for Vanna wider
Speaker 7: Wore and re nine hostages to their families and serge
Speaker 7: humanitarian health and food assistants into Gaza. Now then the
Speaker 7: civilian suffering of the polace any people, and fine, finally
Speaker 7: finally deliver a cease firing and this war.
Speaker 1: So you know, he's saying some of the right things
Speaker 1: given that, and I'm sure you know they're looking at
Speaker 1: the polling and this is very clearly where the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party basis has been for a long time. A majority
Speaker 1: of Biden voters view this as a genocide. But the
Speaker 1: actions still fall I mean not even fall short. They're
Speaker 1: the polar opposite of what you would want to see.
Speaker 1: Why at this late date are you still running cover
Speaker 1: for BB Nott and Yahoo and buying into his line
Speaker 1: that always offered some great deal for a ceasefire when
Speaker 1: it's literally not even a ceasefire. And more to the point,
Speaker 1: it's this continued feigned impotence, like, gosh, g golly, I
Speaker 1: really wish I could get that ceasefire. You are the
Speaker 1: American president this country, and this evil leader of that
Speaker 1: country is wholly dependent on you and your actions and
Speaker 1: your arms, and you won't. You may like hope and
Speaker 1: wish that he would just come to his own decision
Speaker 1: to you know, institute a real and lasting ceasefire in
Speaker 1: a two state solution way. That is not reality. If
Speaker 1: you want to cease fire, go get a ceasefire. So
Speaker 1: you know, those were to me the most horrible moments.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that sort of goes without saying
Speaker 1: in terms of the context of the gravity of the situation,
Speaker 1: and it really is head spending trying to cover this
Speaker 1: in a way that makes sense, because you're, like, you know,
Speaker 1: other than the atrocities that they're enabling, committing great job
Speaker 1: of the DNC, Like, how do you how do you
Speaker 1: talk about this in a way that is moral, ethical, pragmatic, reasonable,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But you know, I guess the last thing
Speaker 1: I'll say is to tie up the sort of meta
Speaker 1: political point here by and as I mentioned, pushed waylaid
Speaker 1: in the night doesn't start till eleven thirty, etc. And
Speaker 1: I guarantee you there was not one person in that
Speaker 1: room or in the country at large who listened to
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's speech, which was for Joe Biden. Fine, had
Speaker 1: some iffy moments, had a little bit of like, you know,
Speaker 1: verbal celuring it or whatever, but judging by the Joe
Speaker 1: Biden bar below the floor standard, fine, there was not
Speaker 1: one person who would look at that and go, gosh,
Speaker 1: I wish that guy was there, nominan wish we still
Speaker 1: were running with that guy. It was as Hillary's speech
Speaker 1: was a reminder of why everyone should be glad in
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party that they've moved past Hillary Clinton politics. Certainly,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's speech was a very clear reminder of why
Speaker 1: they are so relieved and why they are so enthusiastic
Speaker 1: to have Kamala Harris and Tim Walls instead of Joe
Speaker 1: Biden and leading the ticket. So in any case, team
Speaker 1: there in Chicaga is doing fantastic job breaking everything down.
Speaker 1: Reporting from the scene and grabbing interesting video from the
Speaker 1: people that are there. And as I said, I'm really
Speaker 1: excited to be there with them tomorrow so I can
Speaker 1: join the whole crew and continue to react to whatever
Speaker 1: the Democrats have in store for us.
Speaker 3: See you guys soon.
Speaker 2: Excellent, Thank you Crystal. That was a very good video,
Speaker 2: and we're very excited to be joined by her tomorrow.
Speaker 2: She'll be here live in the studio. But we've got
Speaker 2: a great guest to materialize out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: Ryan want she was, she was behind here and I
Speaker 4: want to made this happen. So lexis Dada and is
Speaker 4: one of the founders is that right or leader a
Speaker 4: leader of the uncommitted.
Speaker 14: Yeah, one of the founders from Michigan and now the
Speaker 14: co chair of the National Movement.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you're you're in town, wheeling and dealing, trying
Speaker 4: to pressure Democrats UH to get toward a ceasefire or
Speaker 4: or beyond and arms, arms and bargo. Interestingly, there may
Speaker 4: be some confusion out there. You guys are not actually
Speaker 4: organizing any of the street demonstrations. No, So first of all,
Speaker 4: like why not, like because I think people watching are
Speaker 4: like seeing the street protests and be like Oh cool
Speaker 4: that those are the uncommitted folks that have brought people
Speaker 4: in the street. But it's not exactly right. So what's
Speaker 4: the relationship there.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I think listen, pressure happens in all ways,
Speaker 14: and I think pressure is needed in all ways, whether
Speaker 14: it's in the streets or inside the DNC, and for
Speaker 14: uncommitted particularly. We actually were really strategic to create a
Speaker 14: mass rally across the country ahead of the Democratic National Convention,
Speaker 14: where we launched a campaign called the Not Another Bomb
Speaker 14: Campaign where folks all over the country and over thirty
Speaker 14: five states and every single major battleground stay inclusive of Michigan, Wisconsin,
Speaker 14: Georgia that went to the streets between August sixteenth and
Speaker 14: August eighteenth and ultimately demanded not another Bomb, that no
Speaker 14: more of our tax dollars fund anymore of the bombs
Speaker 14: that are dropping on Palestinians, that we want the genocide
Speaker 14: to end. And we did that strategically ahead of the
Speaker 14: convention to then dovetail where our uncommitted delegates are going
Speaker 14: into the convention on the convention floor with the same
Speaker 14: exact messaging of no more money for genocide, that we
Speaker 14: don't want to fund any more bombs.
Speaker 8: And what we did, what we've been.
Speaker 14: Able to do with these efforts is actually recruit ceasefire delegates,
Speaker 14: so folks that are actually here to endorse VP Harris
Speaker 14: and support the Harris Waltz campaign, but also stand in
Speaker 14: solidarity with our movements that are saying we don't want
Speaker 14: any more of our tax dollars funding genocide. We actually
Speaker 14: have over two hundred and ten ceasefire delegates that have
Speaker 14: signed onto our Ceasefire Delegate petition letter demanding VP Harris
Speaker 14: pledge it enacted arms embargo, and so it was really
Speaker 14: just a strategic move we made to take the energy
Speaker 14: and the capacity and the resources we had to organize
Speaker 14: folks ahead of the DNC, but also to organize delegates
Speaker 14: inside the DETA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what can you explain that to us? So, Ryan
Speaker 2: and I were in the convention hall, we saw a
Speaker 2: lot of delegates walking around with T shirts that said
Speaker 2: cease fire delegate.
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: So are we advancing are trying to advance at DNC
Speaker 2: legislation or sorry, a DNC platform, try to force a
Speaker 2: vote of some kind or is it just about I
Speaker 2: guess sending a message while in the convention.
Speaker 8: Yeah, great question. We definitely have DNC demands.
Speaker 14: We had uncommitted, had DNC demands going into the Convention
Speaker 14: of asking for one doctor Tanya he Hessen, who's a
Speaker 14: piatric intensive care doctor that has been serving in Graza
Speaker 14: for years actually performing surgery on men, women and children
Speaker 14: who have suffered from US funded Israeli bombs, and we're
Speaker 14: asking for her to be able to speak from the
Speaker 14: convention floor. We have also asked for a Palestinian American
Speaker 14: leader to speak from the convention floor as well, to
Speaker 14: be able to raise the voice around Palestinian human rights
Speaker 14: and how the Democratic Party orients towards discussing Palaestinian self determination.
Speaker 14: We additionally asked for some sort of panel as it
Speaker 14: relates to discussing palaestin and human rights within the Democratic Party,
Speaker 14: which we were able to land. It was a historic
Speaker 14: thing that was given and happened actually yesterday and it
Speaker 14: was one of the they had quoted it as one
Speaker 14: of the most highly attended events on the Convention or
Speaker 14: within the Convention yesterday as well. And so those were
Speaker 14: really our demands coming into the Convention and then in
Speaker 14: addition to those demands, just really uplifting this idea that
Speaker 14: we want, you know, VP Harris to listen to her
Speaker 14: base of anti war voters, inclusive of people that are
Speaker 14: there to endorse her, because we are looking at an
Speaker 14: election in November where we have a very racist, fascist
Speaker 14: leader at on the Republican side that nobody wants to
Speaker 14: see elected. And what we're trying to do is we're
Speaker 14: trying to get VP Harris, the Harris Waltz campaign to
Speaker 14: see and understand that majority of Democrats want a ceasefire,
Speaker 14: they want in arms embargo, and we're hoping at the
Speaker 14: public pressure that we were able to portray both outside
Speaker 14: the convention with our national Weekend of Action and inside
Speaker 14: the convention and get sort of move on this policy change.
Speaker 2: Let's yeah, let's stick with that a little bit though,
Speaker 2: because if you're already there to endorse Kamala Harris and
Speaker 2: Tim Walls, then why should they listen to you? Not
Speaker 2: new per se, but you know, the uncommitted movement now
Speaker 2: that you're in the convention hall, and especially if you're not,
Speaker 2: you know, endorsing some of the protest action and other things,
Speaker 2: So like why should those who are in power, as
Speaker 2: we saw with the DNC platform, why should they take
Speaker 2: this seriously if there's not a real threat to withhold
Speaker 2: a vote.
Speaker 14: I mean, it's all about building movement power. When you
Speaker 14: look at history, movement work is exactly what leads to
Speaker 14: policy change. And there's a reality with the Uncommitted movement
Speaker 14: that it's not a monolithic movement. There are people who
Speaker 14: are fully supportive and believe in the Democratic Party and
Speaker 14: want to see VP Harris win. There are folks that
Speaker 14: have given up on the Democratic Party but they want
Speaker 14: to see a ceasefire in an arms embargo. And there's
Speaker 14: folks that in majority of folks who are waiting for
Speaker 14: VP Harris to make a move to be able to
Speaker 14: go to the boat the ballot box in November and
Speaker 14: vote for her. And so folks that are ceasefire delegates
Speaker 14: that are there to endorse VP Hears, they understand how
Speaker 14: important this movement is come November. They understand the seven
Speaker 14: hundred and thirty thousand voters that voted uncommitted. Every vote
Speaker 14: matters towards the selection. And they're there because yes, they
Speaker 14: support VP Haars, but they also support Palestinian Solidarity or
Speaker 14: Palaestinian human rights and self determination and they want to
Speaker 14: be able to work in unison with uncommitted in our
Speaker 14: uncommitted delegates to really lift up that ask well.
Speaker 6: And I have a question on that point, because you know,
Speaker 6: I'm used to talking to yesterday in Union Park, when
Speaker 6: you're talking to sort of the activist class of genuine leftists.
Speaker 6: You know, there were code pink folks there. I was
Speaker 6: asking them, you know, is there anything are you uncommitted?
Speaker 6: Are you voting for Kamala Harris? And most people said
Speaker 6: they were uncommitted, but they would genuinely vote for Kamala
Speaker 6: Harris if there's a ceasefire negotiation that is acceptable to them.
Speaker 6: And I'm just not used to hearing that. And I think,
Speaker 6: you know, from cold pink types, genuine leftist activist types,
Speaker 6: usually it'd be like, hell, no, I'm not voting for
Speaker 6: the Democrat. This is a different crowd. There are people
Speaker 6: from a lot of different walks of life that are
Speaker 6: getting involved in this movement. I think that speaks to
Speaker 6: I'm curious to your sense you're from Michigan. In some
Speaker 6: of these states, there was a group of swing voters
Speaker 6: that might be small compared to you know, the suburban
Speaker 6: women demographic that everybody talks about. But in a very
Speaker 6: close race. When you're looking at Jill Stein margins potentially
Speaker 6: making a difference, this is huge. Do Democrats sense that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 14: I mean when you're looking at the polls obviously, when
Speaker 14: Biden was the Democratic nominee, polls between Trump and Biden,
Speaker 14: we're pretty large gap. And when you're looking at the
Speaker 14: polls now, it's a very narrow gap between VP Harris
Speaker 14: and Donald Trump. When you look at history in Michigan,
Speaker 14: Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen by ten
Speaker 14: thousand votes and it's a very minor margin of victory.
Speaker 14: And so when we say that every vote matters, we
Speaker 14: mean every vote matters. And I think we're in a
Speaker 14: very high stakes, tough political landscape. You have the Democratic
Speaker 14: Party right now who's literally directly funding genocide, who there
Speaker 14: are US funded bombs that are dropping. You know, we
Speaker 14: listen to doctors speak this morning about what they've witnessed
Speaker 14: in Rezza and a doctor who literally spoke about a
Speaker 14: moment where a woman was in the hospital and said
Speaker 14: that when she looked at the missile that was dropped
Speaker 14: on their I think it was a school or wherever
Speaker 14: they were, it was a US made missile that dropped
Speaker 14: on Palestinians, and so you're hearing and seeing all these
Speaker 14: things are that our Democratic Party is doing. But on
Speaker 14: the flip side, you have a very racist, fascist leader
Speaker 14: and people don't know what to do, and so you're
Speaker 14: hearing a lot of the conversations of we want to
Speaker 14: go to the polls and vote for VP Harris. But
Speaker 14: it's really it's a moral it's a moral conscious thing.
Speaker 14: People can't find themselves or they can't have the ability
Speaker 14: to go to the polls and vote for people who
Speaker 14: are aiding and a betting in genocide. And they also
Speaker 14: don't want to vote for Donald Trump. And so I
Speaker 14: think this movement has become such a diverse, multi generational,
Speaker 14: multi faith, multi ethnic movement because people know how important
Speaker 14: it is to value human life and they believe in
Speaker 14: the values of the Democratic Party. But the reality is
Speaker 14: our Democratic Party is not making decisions aligned with those values,
Speaker 14: and the people are trying to do that.
Speaker 4: And so you mentioned the list of demands that you
Speaker 4: guys have, and to the Family's point, there are some
Speaker 4: who are definitely open if she moves that they're willing
Speaker 4: to vote for Harris. But there's also been this interesting
Speaker 4: overlap that I've almost never seen before among kind of
Speaker 4: far left folks who are at some of these protests
Speaker 4: and kind of democratic operatives who are both saying the
Speaker 4: same things. The far left activists are saying the uncommitted
Speaker 4: delegates they're not going to get anything and they're going
Speaker 4: to capitulate at the end and support Vice President Harris,
Speaker 4: and the high level operatives are saying, we're not going
Speaker 4: to give the uncommitted delegates anything and they're going to
Speaker 4: come home eventually anyway. So are they right? Like? There
Speaker 4: is that a fair criticism and to that list of demands,
Speaker 4: are you making progress on any of them? Like do
Speaker 4: you think she'll be able to speak? Is there anything
Speaker 4: else that you think you'll be able to do extract?
Speaker 4: Or is it more an atmospheric changing of the tone?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think you know part of
Speaker 14: this work that you're doing is you're working under policies
Speaker 14: that you're like their policies. You know they aren't accepting
Speaker 14: right arms and bargo. We know VPRs doesn't support that.
Speaker 14: Right now, all the things that we're fighting against, we
Speaker 14: know that the Democratic Party doesn't necessarily align with those things,
Speaker 14: and that's the purpose of movement work. You know, folks
Speaker 14: say that we might not get anything, but when you
Speaker 14: look at the history of what's happened over the last
Speaker 14: six seven months, people might call it breadcrumbs, people might
Speaker 14: call it progress towards the full loaf of bread. And
Speaker 14: I think what we've seen is one we've been able
Speaker 14: to influence the conversation around a ceasefire, originally where VP
Speaker 14: Harris and President Biden we're never.
Speaker 8: Discussing even discussing a ceasefire.
Speaker 14: And then two in this most recent conversation, after launching
Speaker 14: the not Another Bomb campaign, two of our leaders leilan
Speaker 14: a best meeting quickly with VP Harris and demanding or
Speaker 14: asking for a meeting to discuss an arms embargo, where
Speaker 14: now you're seeing the headlines talk about an arms embargo.
Speaker 14: To this third option or idea of having this historic panel,
Speaker 14: of being able to discuss and talk about Palestine and
Speaker 14: human rights, I think, you know, all these things are progress.
Speaker 14: And we've made ourselves very clear that we are ready
Speaker 14: to mobilize and endorse VP Harris as long as there's
Speaker 14: a conversation in relation as it relates to an arms embargo,
Speaker 14: whether it's discussing how we are currently violating you know,
Speaker 14: we're not following international law when it comes to war
Speaker 14: crimes and having the discussion of being able to behold
Speaker 14: and uphold Lahy law to the actual conversation about an
Speaker 14: arms andmbargo, and I think that's the that's the clear
Speaker 14: demand on the table, and that's what we have to
Speaker 14: work towards.
Speaker 8: And that's exactly what we have to focus on.
Speaker 2: So if there is so you're saying, just a conversation,
Speaker 2: but what if there is no arms in Barbo? I mean,
Speaker 2: if you see, if you get the meeting. Politicians are
Speaker 2: great at this, all of us cover politics for a living.
Speaker 2: They're very good at taking meetings and having rhetoric. But
Speaker 2: one of the things I've heard most from the Uncommitted Movement,
Speaker 2: from Crystal, from many other folks is that we need
Speaker 2: to actually see action. So, I mean, what is the
Speaker 2: movement and you personally going to do if you do
Speaker 2: feel like you're just being bought off with rhetoric, Like
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it comes down to
Speaker 2: a vote and to action.
Speaker 3: What are you going to do? What is the movement
Speaker 3: going to do?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I think one of the things that
Speaker 14: I've had to drive home to folks, is in movement
Speaker 14: work you pivot with with reactions. And right now, the
Speaker 14: only thing we know and that we can be accountable
Speaker 14: to and that I could stay with my entire chest,
Speaker 14: is that we are working tirelessly around the clock to
Speaker 14: be able to engage with VP Harris and her team
Speaker 14: because we know what's at stake come November. But we
Speaker 14: also know more importantly what's at stake right now, which
Speaker 14: is saving Palestinian lives. And so for us, it's literally
Speaker 14: taking all of our energy to try to engage as
Speaker 14: much as possible across the landscape with our base of
Speaker 14: anti war voters, but also navigate the political the political
Speaker 14: part of this, which is a very tough thing to
Speaker 14: navigate when you talk about the rhetoric and you want
Speaker 14: to see that change.
Speaker 8: What we've said and what we will continue to.
Speaker 14: Say, is we can't go back to our base and say, oh,
Speaker 14: we think VP Harris will be better on Razza policy.
Speaker 14: What we're saying is you need to turn the page
Speaker 14: on Krasa policy to save lives and to save our party.
Speaker 4: Got it, last question, Ryan, Uh, what kind of pressure
Speaker 4: have you have you or any other uncommitted leaders gotten
Speaker 4: from the Democratic Party, and because some of the uncommitted
Speaker 4: folks are party operatives, like they do their work is
Speaker 4: working within the party. Has there been has there been
Speaker 4: any direct pressure put on leaders say like get in
Speaker 4: line or here else?
Speaker 14: I mean, what I will say is, you know, in
Speaker 14: that quick momil of interaction between VP Harris and even
Speaker 14: our two of our leaders from their their mouth directly
Speaker 14: that she was very genuine. Her reaction was very genuine,
Speaker 14: very empathetic. You heard President Biden on stage last night
Speaker 14: talk about why the protesters are doing what they're doing,
Speaker 14: their hurts, that's them publicly.
Speaker 4: But then but then there are hatching, there are hatchetmen.
Speaker 4: Are there any hatchetmen? Who?
Speaker 3: I mean, nobody's any bag.
Speaker 14: Nobody has come to us and pressured us to do
Speaker 14: anything different than what we've been doing. They understand the trauma,
Speaker 14: the grief, the things that we're all carrying, and they're
Speaker 14: understanding that we're a movement that's trying to make moves
Speaker 14: and make demands of the party to save it. And
Speaker 14: it's really been a lot of conversation back and forth
Speaker 14: of this is what we're coming forward, this is what
Speaker 14: we want, this is what we need, and really engaging
Speaker 14: in thoughtful conversation on both sides to be able to
Speaker 14: get what we can again ahead of November.
Speaker 8: But the reality for us.
Speaker 14: Is we don't want to wait till January to save
Speaker 14: Palestinian lives. So we're trying to do what we can
Speaker 14: to influence the Biden Harris administration, but also understand the
Speaker 14: electoral imperative we have of raising this notion that VP
Speaker 14: Harris you have to turn the page on the Kraza
Speaker 14: policy to be able to win voters over in November.
Speaker 4: Ye, and last thing, you guys were not involved in
Speaker 4: the disruption last night. Those were other those other delegates.
Speaker 8: It's not our delegate.
Speaker 4: Anything interesting coming from uncmmitted delegates or are you guys
Speaker 4: going to be well behaved on the floor?
Speaker 14: What's the Yeah, well behaved is the great way to
Speaker 14: put it. I guess if you will, I think again strategy.
Speaker 14: Our goal isn't to you know, I think people approach
Speaker 14: their sense of protests differently, and our goal in being
Speaker 14: at the DNC convention is to showcase our delegates in
Speaker 14: a way. We're here to uplift Palestinian human rights and
Speaker 14: to actually work with the DNC to try to get
Speaker 14: a Palestinian American leader speak as well as doctor Tanya Hudgehassen.
Speaker 14: And that's what our delegates are doing. They're going to
Speaker 14: the elected officials on the floor. They're talking about this issue.
Speaker 14: They're engaging other delegates to be able to get them
Speaker 14: to sign the Ceasefire Delegate letter and also to get
Speaker 14: the petition that we have out there to get Tanya
Speaker 14: Hudgehssion to speak as well.
Speaker 6: Are you worried about things getting out of control at all?
Speaker 6: I mean, as potential tensions build throughout the week, everything
Speaker 6: seems like it's been very orderly and well managed so far.
Speaker 14: I mean, what I will say a positive note is
Speaker 14: somebody came up to one of our uncommitted delegates and
Speaker 14: ask them to sign on to a ceasefire Delegate letter.
Speaker 14: And it was actually a Harris delegate who asked our
Speaker 14: delegate to sign on.
Speaker 8: And what you're seeing.
Speaker 14: Is actual Harris delegates that are organizing because, I mean,
Speaker 14: what we're asking for is nothing crazy.
Speaker 8: We're asking for to do the morally right.
Speaker 14: Thing, to stop sending bombs, to save lives for people
Speaker 14: who are just as real all of us, and people
Speaker 14: believe that that the democratic you know base believes that,
Speaker 14: and what we're trying to do is get the Democratic
Speaker 14: leaders to move with their base and see majority of
Speaker 14: people want to see fire, majority of people want arms
Speaker 14: and bargo, and we need to enact it now.
Speaker 4: Got it?
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for joining us. We really
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: It was fun to be able to talk to actually
Speaker 2: somebody something you talk about, like Uncommitted Movement. Yeah, why
Speaker 2: don't tell people, Well, tell people where they can find you,
Speaker 2: follow you, et cetera.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean we're on Instagram at Uncommitted m v
Speaker 14: m T. You could search our most recent petitions at
Speaker 14: not Another bomb dot com and keep up, you know,
Speaker 14: keep up to date with all those things via our
Speaker 14: social media.
Speaker 3: Cool. All right, well, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: We're let's get some questions in here from the from
Speaker 2: the premium subscribers. Uh, a question for Ryan, do you
Speaker 2: have a good weed guy out there?
Speaker 3: My gosh, so.
Speaker 2: Immediately pivoting to the uh, immediately pivoting to the important things.
Speaker 3: Is it legal here?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Actually, because I am gonna smack it out of your hand.
Speaker 4: My big my wee guy is big JB. Pritzker, Big JB.
Speaker 2: Pritz Here the state. The state is the one who
Speaker 2: is giving you your weed. Okay, all right, here, let's
Speaker 2: continue here. What do we have.
Speaker 3: Any questions about about what we just heard? Guys?
Speaker 2: What do you guys think from our premius subscribers, like,
Speaker 2: any questions about that movement uncommitted some of their times?
Speaker 2: Why don't I ask a question Ryan as a proxy?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm hearing a lot of very politician y
Speaker 2: language now that she's stepped out. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be unkind but like to her face or whatever,
Speaker 2: but everything I'm hearing is like, well, we want to
Speaker 2: have a panel about human rights. I'm like, who get
Speaker 2: First of all, like it's a fucking panel, okay, And
Speaker 2: the second if you don't get it, like it's pretty
Speaker 2: much they were like, well, they're still going to support
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. So, I mean, there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: teeth behind this.
Speaker 4: The point, the point that she made earlier is very important,
Speaker 4: where she said, you know, Amala Harris is not going
Speaker 4: to endorse in arms of bargo, Like she doesn't support it.
Speaker 4: She's not going to support it, right, that's a fact. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're putting pressure on it, and so then when you
Speaker 4: come back and say, well it's not going to work,
Speaker 4: it's like yeah, like they also know it's not going
Speaker 4: to work. So then, like she said, it becomes this
Speaker 4: moral question that people are going to decide differently. Okay,
Speaker 4: well we tried, we put some pressure. We maybe got
Speaker 4: a fig leaf. Do I then stay out.
Speaker 3: Of the election and not vote for Harris and let
Speaker 3: Trump win?
Speaker 4: Or so yeah, it's you know, and some of the
Speaker 4: uncommitted organizers talked about it as a way when they
Speaker 4: would pitch it to Democratic Party officials who were telling them,
Speaker 4: you're destroying the Democratic Party. How dare you do this?
Speaker 4: They say, no, we're actually saving the party because all
Speaker 4: of these people who are voting uncommitted, they weren't even
Speaker 4: going to show up at all in the primary. You
Speaker 4: get them to show up in the primary, you then
Speaker 4: talk to them in a way that is sympathetic. Then
Speaker 4: they will vote for you in November. So we're actually
Speaker 4: doing your work for you. If they do that and
Speaker 4: don't get any policy gains on the ground, and people's
Speaker 4: bodies just keep getting ripped to shred on a daily basis,
Speaker 4: then you can be like all right, Well, and what
Speaker 4: was that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right, Maybe one or two more questions here. This
Speaker 2: one's for you Ryan. Do you any of you act?
Speaker 3: I guess technically for all of us. Well, I'll throw
Speaker 3: it to Ryan.
Speaker 2: Do you actually believe Kamala will do anything about Gaza?
Speaker 2: My answer is no, I don't think there will be
Speaker 2: any meaningful difference between her and Joe Biden on Gaza.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean so I said yesterday that you know
Speaker 4: that for the first time, you know, pretty much everybody
Speaker 4: has an incentive to make a deal, and by everybody
Speaker 4: I meant kind of Israel more broadly, because it would
Speaker 4: be able to then stave off the attack from Iran,
Speaker 4: and it would be able to quiet the North, which
Speaker 4: is causing enormous pressure on them because they've got thousands
Speaker 4: and tens of thousands of people dislocated both from the
Speaker 4: North and the South, blowing up their economy, having all
Speaker 4: the soldiers, you know, getting pulled out of their economy,
Speaker 4: not being not having you know, they're they're bringing in
Speaker 4: all these people from India to try to replace the
Speaker 4: Palestinians to do the low wage work. So they have
Speaker 4: an incentive to end this war. The person that doesn't
Speaker 4: is nan Yahu and that's still the case, right, so
Speaker 4: his interests diverge.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: The US I think still like still has some interests
Speaker 4: in having Israel be a powerful military force in the region,
Speaker 4: and is and is not at all willing to use
Speaker 4: leverage against them. So it doesn't seem at this point
Speaker 4: like we're necessarily much closer to ceasefire. I'd love to
Speaker 4: love to be wrong, and I don't think that to
Speaker 4: your question, changing the name of the president from Joe
Speaker 4: Biden to Kamala Harris changes the US relation, all right?
Speaker 2: Last this one's questions for me, Phil Thomas, would Sager
Speaker 2: become committed to learning alternative time knots?
Speaker 3: Okay? First of all, Phil, Phil, whoever you are, whoever
Speaker 3: you are asking for it, I challenge you to a
Speaker 3: t contest.
Speaker 2: I can tie four separate, So send me an email
Speaker 2: and we'll see how many you can do.
Speaker 3: My bet is that Phil defensive. Phil knows how to.
Speaker 2: Do it a foreign hand and maybe watch the YouTube
Speaker 2: video once on a full windsor. I think he does
Speaker 2: not know how to rock a double four in hand
Speaker 2: or half windsor a full windsor.
Speaker 4: I think Phil's got a lot of knots.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Phil, I also tie a bow tie.
Speaker 2: I tied my own bow tie at my wedding perfectly,
Speaker 2: perfectly first try.
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys saw it.
Speaker 6: By the way, Phil a bow tie, I could tie
Speaker 6: four different tis.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, whoever Phil is out there? Okay, Sacer,
Speaker 3: where are you?
Speaker 4: Boy? Scott? Boy Scott.
Speaker 3: I was a cub Scott for two years.
Speaker 4: That was it.
Speaker 3: What else? Let's see?
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Speaker 3: So we just spoke with that. Should we do Hillary,
Speaker 3: Let's go to Hillary. You want to talk about Hillary? Yay, Hillary,
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Hillary if we must so.
Speaker 2: Crystal did tee up some of that Hillary conversation for us,
Speaker 2: but we of course also need to react.
Speaker 3: There were some interesting Hillary moments.
Speaker 2: She talked a little bit about twenty sixteen, but perhaps
Speaker 2: the most interesting the times have truly changed moment was
Speaker 2: when lock him Up Chance erupted throughout Oh yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're about we're about to play Oh no, not your video,
Speaker 2: not your video of lock him up. We actually have
Speaker 2: Hillary reacting to lock him up, and she seemingly nods
Speaker 2: at it.
Speaker 3: Despite the fact that she took a lot of.
Speaker 2: She he definitely had a different approach whenever it was
Speaker 2: lock her up.
Speaker 3: That was a major political chance.
Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and take a listen, mac, let's
Speaker 2: cue it up. There it is, let's play it.
Speaker 15: Donald Trump fell.
Speaker 16: Asleep bet his own trial, and when he woke up,
Speaker 16: he made his own kind of history, the first person
Speaker 16: to run for president with thirty four felony.
Speaker 15: Convictions as vice president.
Speaker 16: As vice president, Pamla sat in the situation room.
Speaker 3: There it is.
Speaker 2: Remember this Emily from the twenty sixteen Days throw these Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was quite a moment of real role reversal there.
Speaker 4: She would pull the lever on the electric chair herself.
Speaker 2: I tell you, was so you can tell how much
Speaker 2: bitterness that this woman still harbors inside of her. And
Speaker 2: that was something Crystal said too. She's like, you forget
Speaker 2: how bad they are. When Hillary took the stage, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, she is so bad. The
Speaker 2: first time she robotically held her arms up like this.
Speaker 3: It was all of these flashbacks.
Speaker 6: Can we talk about how I first, I'm really curious
Speaker 6: for Ryan's take inside the arena when the locker him
Speaker 6: Up chants we're going. But we were all watching in
Speaker 6: the bp frat house and I was like listening to
Speaker 6: the Sarah Burrellas song that she walked out to Brave whatever,
Speaker 6: and I was like, they used to use these kind
Speaker 6: of interchangeably with fight song, and I was like, no way,
Speaker 6: they're not going to do fight song.
Speaker 3: Hillary walked she walked down the stage.
Speaker 6: To fight song, which is such a parody and there's
Speaker 6: no self awareness. Like that's the most incredible thing. There's
Speaker 6: no self awareness. I guarantee you Hllary Clinton personally personally
Speaker 6: requested fight song, absolutely, and nobody wanted to say no
Speaker 6: to her.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know it's a meme, no, because nobody every
Speaker 2: time I played I literally play that song in my
Speaker 2: car and I cry with laughter.
Speaker 3: It's Hillary's defeat because that's what I will always associated with. Ryan.
Speaker 3: Give us your reaction to the lock him Up chance.
Speaker 4: The theme of well, they were intense and where I
Speaker 4: was like, they were loud, Yeah, people were oh it
Speaker 4: was loud. Yeah, those were not isolated chance. The theme
Speaker 4: of the night was for the people. It was, you know,
Speaker 4: heavily focused on abortion rights and Kamala Harris and Hillary
Speaker 4: Clinton was the only one who came out and gave
Speaker 4: just a biographical speech about herself.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was such a good I kept thinking, the
Speaker 2: same thing, is she's talking about herself Chism twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: chism Ferrara. Actually, with all of the past can I'm
Speaker 2: realizing now both Hillary and Biden frankly throwing it back
Speaker 2: to him, he resurrected a lot of the January sixth talk,
Speaker 2: a lot of Charlet's shit that nobody cares about. Okay, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's been years since all of that. And
Speaker 2: it was a reminder actually how uniquely bad both of
Speaker 2: those politicians are and their own unique vulnerability, which is.
Speaker 6: Why Bill is on Wednesday, Hilary's on Monday, on Biden
Speaker 6: Night when they're trying to shove people off and move on,
Speaker 6: and then Bill Clinton's on ones and so.
Speaker 4: And so the thematically what she's going at and is
Speaker 4: talking about, you know, breaking glass ceilings and being trail blazers,
Speaker 4: and she was explicitly talking about that. And if you've noticed.
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris never talks about that ever ever. Ever. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there is, there's message messaging guidance in democratic circles that
Speaker 4: the quote first woman of color line just does not work.
Speaker 4: Like people don't respond to it and or worse, they
Speaker 4: respond to it negatively. So they have adjusted by saying
Speaker 4: here's what we will do. I mean, eventually, it took
Speaker 4: them weeks to tell us what they would do.
Speaker 3: Did they ever tell us? Because okay, look she hasn't
Speaker 3: told us anything.
Speaker 4: Well, she told us economics policy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she gave a speech, but she didn't give
Speaker 2: an interview. She's answered one question about it.
Speaker 4: But you will not You will not see any of
Speaker 4: the trailblazing first woman of color rhetoric coming from the
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris.
Speaker 6: I think you'll see it pain but don't you think
Speaker 6: you'll see a small tiny like nods to it.
Speaker 4: Targeted, targeted it. So Emily's list will target it at donors.
Speaker 4: It works for donors who are already like deeply committed
Speaker 4: it and it lets them give another six figures. But
Speaker 4: for the public at large, they do not want that
Speaker 4: messaging out there. Hillary Clinton just went all in on it.
Speaker 6: Maybe we should put a butt down on this because
Speaker 6: I feel like it will come up briefly one time,
Speaker 6: maybe in Kamala Harris's speed, but it won't be a
Speaker 6: feature or it will be the campaign.
Speaker 4: It will be an illusion, like she will allude to
Speaker 4: how what she will say, but.
Speaker 3: It won't be like Hillary. I mean Hillary is the
Speaker 3: way she started off, was like my mother born.
Speaker 4: But what she'll say is what every other candidates set
Speaker 4: who comes from anything other than rich background. They will say,
Speaker 4: my rise to the White House shows that anything is
Speaker 4: possible in America, right, Like, she'll do that, but it won't.
Speaker 3: That's Obama mask.
Speaker 4: That's fine. Actually, I don't think you're going to hear
Speaker 4: Shirley Chisholm. All right, so we can put Draft Kings
Speaker 4: money down on them.
Speaker 2: Maybe DraftKings has a no polymarket, that's where you would play.
Speaker 2: That's not an endorsement.
Speaker 6: Don't gamble, folks. It is corrosive to the soul.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the twenty sixteen revelry that Hillary just
Speaker 2: had to get in there, where she not only reminisces
Speaker 2: about her twenty sixteen campaign, she even brags about the
Speaker 2: number of votes she got, which is just so incredible.
Speaker 2: With the bitterness seeping out of her. Let's take a listen, mac,
Speaker 2: Let's cue it up for us, my friend, there it is.
Speaker 16: And then there was twenty sixteen, when it was the
Speaker 16: honor of my life except our party's nomination for president.
Speaker 16: And and nearly sixty six million Americans voted for a
Speaker 16: future where there are no ceilings on our dreams.
Speaker 6: And afterwards we refused.
Speaker 16: To give up on America. Millions marched, many ran for office.
Speaker 16: We kept our eyes on the future. Well, my friends,
Speaker 16: the future is here.
Speaker 3: Make one going on that twenty sixty have we got
Speaker 3: millions of votes?
Speaker 7: I have.
Speaker 4: I covered the aftermath of the twenty six teen campaign
Speaker 4: in the Democratic Party extremely closely. It makes up a
Speaker 4: couple chapters and a couple of my books. The Democratic
Speaker 4: Party had nothing to do with the renaissance, had nothing
Speaker 4: to do with the Women's March. They were afraid of
Speaker 4: the Women's March. That was a genuinely bottom up, Facebook fueled, organic,
Speaker 4: suburban women driven event. Then she talks about all these
Speaker 4: people who ran for office. That was organic too. These
Speaker 4: were mostly women, well qualified who had never considered running
Speaker 4: for office before they saw Donald Trump win the White
Speaker 4: House and instantly they were like, well, if he can
Speaker 4: be president, I can run her state House. Well, Congress,
Speaker 4: And they did it, and a bunch of them are
Speaker 4: now senators and members of Congress, and the Democratic Party
Speaker 4: and its establishment had nothing to do with it and
Speaker 4: was even afraid of it.
Speaker 6: So I actually thought this was the most interesting speech
Speaker 6: of the night because this is in the trajectory of
Speaker 6: Hillary Clinton's career. You can see she thought, she leaves
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris potentially becoming presidency can be reframed, or can
Speaker 6: reframe her twenty sixteen devastating loss. Right, she doesn't have
Speaker 6: to huff the putin copium anymore. She can actually now
Speaker 6: say what I did was be the foundation that led
Speaker 6: to the first female president. Also being a woman of color, I.
Speaker 4: Can actually offensive because it's just not true.
Speaker 6: Well, and she said that the highest hardest glass ceiling
Speaker 6: is a woman becoming president. That's the implication of her line,
Speaker 6: not a black person becoming president, which Obama did before, Yeah,
Speaker 6: but which I also think is somewhat offensive.
Speaker 4: He beat her and she hated him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, of course, of course, and so now the
Speaker 6: highest hardest glass ceiling. So she has found a way
Speaker 6: in the wake of Biden dropping off the ticket. She
Speaker 6: was so pleased to be there and to have the
Speaker 6: speaking moment because it was this opportunity for her to change,
Speaker 6: to rewrite Hillary Clinton's history in real time. And I
Speaker 6: think she thinks it's going to work, and maybe it will,
Speaker 6: but she really believes now that the story of twenty
Speaker 6: sixteen isn't going to be the story of a you know,
Speaker 6: sort of fascist, sexist pig defeating the first woman president
Speaker 6: with help from Vladimir Putin. The story of twenty sixteen
Speaker 6: is going to be this woman paved the way for
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: That's such a sick point because I know it's true, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like thinking about that, because I know that will
Speaker 2: how we retcon and then in schools they'll how they'll
Speaker 2: try and teach it if Kamala wins. Is that this
Speaker 2: was the foundation. But I mean, overall, again, the vibe
Speaker 2: from Hillary is just bitterness. This woman is so politically how.
Speaker 4: Could you be anything but bitter, Like, yeah, look at
Speaker 4: you were. You were guaranteed to win the White House
Speaker 4: and you lost to Donald trumping centers a tiny glass ceiling,
Speaker 4: Uh yes, and you have the rest of your life
Speaker 4: to live anyway, and and when Biden is being forced out,
Speaker 4: she's sitting by her phone like, awesome, here comes my moment,
Speaker 4: just to come on, come on ring? Why is why
Speaker 4: is my phone not ringing? This is weird? Like I'm
Speaker 4: the one, I've already beaten him. I got more votes
Speaker 4: than him. Why why is my phone not ringing? And
Speaker 4: so even if she could work through her bitterness from
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, more bitterness comes through every single time that
Speaker 4: the phone doesn't ring, and she expects it to absolutely.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll take one question before we move on. Somebody says,
Speaker 2: I want to see BP after hours with them just chilling,
Speaker 2: a tieless Sager hanging out talking about everything.
Speaker 4: Sleep, What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: A T shirt?
Speaker 6: I saw it, I saw it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're I said, a T shirt.
Speaker 2: I don't know of what you speak and hanging out
Speaker 2: talking about everything, and of course Emily mocking Sager with
Speaker 2: her voices. Somebody in the chat sends a picture of
Speaker 2: the State Department Press secretary and says Sager as press secretary, which.
Speaker 3: Again it looks eventsive. We don't look alike okay, we
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't look a lot. We don't look alike.
Speaker 9: I'm on Sager's side. I think this is like maybe
Speaker 9: you like in middle school or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, yes, but are you working out kind
Speaker 4: of and you woke much over there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Would you all be trying to willing to try and
Speaker 2: get Hassan on the show at some point?
Speaker 3: So we did actually run into Hassan yesterday.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't know if people know this. He is a
Speaker 3: very tall guy. I keep saying I was shocked by this.
Speaker 6: I was shocked.
Speaker 3: I'm like six to two. He's six five.
Speaker 2: He's got to be a good six five, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like a head taller than me. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 2: that's actually quite shocking. It was funny too because he
Speaker 2: was You were like, does the chat no Soger And
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, they know soccer, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: chat hate Sacer. I'm pretty sure. But we tried to
Speaker 2: get Hassan. He's busy, Yeah, he's he's a little he's
Speaker 2: doing handler too, He's.
Speaker 6: Doing drop site stuff. He's doing drop stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, he was, he was. He was going to use
Speaker 4: our drop site desk in the arena. But and this
Speaker 4: is an interesting political point, right, the d n C
Speaker 4: gave him his own handler.
Speaker 3: No it's crazy, guys, and gave him a VIP and
Speaker 3: gave him a sweeter spot than the one that we have.
Speaker 4: Not that we have a sweet spot. We just had
Speaker 4: a normal desk the drop sites.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but so they're like, no, no, I don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: We've got him taken care of. And you know he
Speaker 4: trashes democrats. Oh I know, yeah, they don't care.
Speaker 2: Heally had his own little comms girl and was taking
Speaker 2: her around. That's kind of an interesting point. We're going
Speaker 2: to get to that about the DNC kind of being
Speaker 2: a ship show.
Speaker 4: We'd like, we'd like to get him on if we
Speaker 4: can get them.
Speaker 3: We tried, I mean, busy on the stream constantly.
Speaker 4: So yeah, he and there's a lot hard that was
Speaker 4: another he's in California.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of rings.
Speaker 4: You know, we end our show by seven am, like
Speaker 4: West Coast right right, So like that when he wakes up,
Speaker 4: I don't know, people would know better.
Speaker 3: People game for twelve hours.
Speaker 2: That ryan more rings on, Yeah, gotta put more rings
Speaker 2: on to be more so. Anyway, that is the question
Speaker 2: about get Hassan. We did ask him, but he's busy
Speaker 2: and he's doing his own thing. No, not Hassan Minaj.
Speaker 2: Somebody said, did you mean Hasan Manaj?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I mean I could ask. Actually, you know I did
Speaker 2: ask him. People know Hassan and I had beef, but
Speaker 2: we squashed the beef. He invited me, and he did
Speaker 2: say he was willing to come on the show at
Speaker 2: some point. So anyway, we're talking about Hasamanaj here, not
Speaker 2: Hassan Piker. Okay, let's someone goes, you mean Nicki Minaj's brother.
Speaker 2: This is getting live stream. It's fun doing a live
Speaker 2: straight We don't get to do this enough. Let's go
Speaker 2: to the protest block here and let's talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about that. There were a couple of moments. Ryan,
Speaker 2: I'm going to rely on you to explain some of this. First,
Speaker 2: let's watch the video here. These are two delegates who
Speaker 2: we met briefly.
Speaker 4: Was it the two of the more than two?
Speaker 3: Okay, So there were a couple.
Speaker 2: Of delegates that were in the hall in Chicago who
Speaker 2: actually rually unfurled a banner saying, quote, stop arming Israel.
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing was not just their protest, was
Speaker 2: their reaction inside the hall to their protest. People were
Speaker 2: very upset and they did their best. Mac, go ahead
Speaker 2: and queue up that video E one. Uh, let's take
Speaker 2: a listen.
Speaker 3: Possibility, possibility break.
Speaker 7: Well, what's in a sentence about heat?
Speaker 1: Was?
Speaker 3: Okay? Tell us about what we do?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there there are other videos where the show
Speaker 4: you where you can see the guy kind of like swinging.
Speaker 9: Why don't we play that right now?
Speaker 3: We want to play want to play Ryan?
Speaker 4: It's not my video that I think that's there's another
Speaker 4: one where like he's like and it's so perfect and
Speaker 4: poetic because it says we love Biden to beat somebody
Speaker 4: with a pole that says love is there's just something.
Speaker 3: We have a time.
Speaker 2: Whoever Ryan's video, right, Mac, you want to go on
Speaker 2: and clue que that up.
Speaker 4: And we can just we'll just talk. We'll just talk
Speaker 4: over it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're the one who filmed this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So so I was right by the Florida delegation,
Speaker 4: which is where this is happening. And you've got the
Speaker 4: guy that you saw in the picture. Who's the protests
Speaker 4: or it's a delegate from Michigan named Leono Sharon, Jewish delegate,
Speaker 4: and then a Muslim delegate from Florida named it Nadia
Speaker 4: Ahmad uh. And then there was another another delegate from
Speaker 4: Connecticut named Isa Boret who who helped as well. He
Speaker 4: had told me that on Sunday he was trying to
Speaker 4: get into a d NC reception and they found like
Speaker 4: a Palestinian flag in his bag and security swarmed him
Speaker 4: and like made him leave the floor.
Speaker 6: Is there a no flag rule?
Speaker 4: I don't that they are.
Speaker 3: They're confiscating Palestinian Yeah, yeah, they would. They booted him
Speaker 3: out with the flag.
Speaker 4: Little do they know he actually was planning the next day.
Speaker 4: It was a little little racial profiling and they got lucky.
Speaker 4: Souh Naya Ahmad smuggled this entire banner, which Laurence Steiner,
Speaker 4: another Jewish activist from North Carolina helped.
Speaker 3: Is that the date.
Speaker 4: I don't think that different met her. She's you can.
Speaker 4: I wrote about this for a drop site. You guys
Speaker 4: can check that story out. So basically what's going on
Speaker 4: here is initially you saw that kind of miniature violent
Speaker 4: response where they try to rip it out of their
Speaker 4: hands and then they're swinging the little cardboard things at them.
Speaker 4: But the crowd to I'd say, to their credit ish
Speaker 4: because I think it's also absurd, said no, no, no,
Speaker 4: stops up, stop, de escalate, don't get violent, don't get violent.
Speaker 4: But then they just completely obscured. They they're like everybody
Speaker 4: signs up, signs up there. I think they're A smarter
Speaker 4: move might have been to just ignore it, actually, because
Speaker 4: the cameras just stayed on Biden the entire time.
Speaker 3: So then, yeah, look at this guy throwing his sign
Speaker 3: in front of your camp.
Speaker 4: This guy out of your phone.
Speaker 7: This guy.
Speaker 4: He's the former executive director of the Florida Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: I learned this guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're a journalist, we are credentialed media. On
Speaker 2: the floor of the d N.
Speaker 4: I was, and I was telling me to do that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what are you doing? And towards the end,
Speaker 4: I'm like, look, there's like eight other cameras here. You're
Speaker 4: gonna block all of them. And he's like yes, He's
Speaker 4: like yes, I will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is happening? So so I just I was
Speaker 3: just constantly moving around.
Speaker 4: Occasionally I'd be able to like, you know, find somebody
Speaker 4: who could pick him, and and then I'd have like
Speaker 4: a shot, I'll be with you next time, yeah, next time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I needed a pick, they'll pick and roll or a
Speaker 4: little little Reggie White swim at times. Yeah, So it
Speaker 4: was surreal. And so while I say impressive, I mean
Speaker 4: in the sense that like, uh, the guy had a
Speaker 4: lot of energy like he was he was, he followed
Speaker 4: me for like ten minutes around there, but also absurd,
Speaker 4: like yes, you're supposed to be Democrats, like you're not
Speaker 4: acting like demo.
Speaker 6: Remember this is the democracy Democracy.
Speaker 4: It's the as they talk about at the conventions, the
Speaker 4: oldest political party in the world, and it stands for
Speaker 4: these these great values. So that kind of clashed. But
Speaker 4: so then Sharon was taken out and I don't know
Speaker 4: if we have any of this from the very end
Speaker 4: of the clip. We might not, but it's in the substack.
Speaker 4: I mean it's in the drop side article on substack, Mac.
Speaker 3: Can we plug dropside please? E two put that up
Speaker 3: there on the screen.
Speaker 4: So what's what the other the other cool part apparently
Speaker 4: the other person who knew about this ahead of time
Speaker 4: was Amy Goodman. Oh absolute legend. The goat was on
Speaker 4: the scene and you know, so she was there with
Speaker 4: a camera person as well, and so she followed if
Speaker 4: you go to the very end of this video, so
Speaker 4: there he is. This is this is Sharon. He was
Speaker 4: not like dragged out or arrested, and he was able
Speaker 4: to give an interview with with press here talking about
Speaker 4: you know why. You know, he felt that it was
Speaker 4: necessary for him him to do this, and he actually
Speaker 4: said that he is voting for Kamala Harris. He said
Speaker 4: to other people he did, Yeah he did. Yeah, interesting
Speaker 4: is that Amy?
Speaker 3: Yeah there she is. Yeah, was actually interviewing him. That's interesting.
Speaker 4: So yeah, So that was the that was the effort
Speaker 4: at disruption. And I think watching you tell me, watching it,
Speaker 4: you could barely tell anything happened.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have not no no watching it from where
Speaker 3: we were.
Speaker 4: No, absolutely didn't.
Speaker 2: Even the broadcast media basically pretended like it didn't exist.
Speaker 6: And the broadcast didn't pick it up.
Speaker 4: It wasn't the banner said stop arming Israel.
Speaker 6: You could you couldn't hear it. The cameras didn't pan
Speaker 6: to it. Yeah, there was really no unless you were
Speaker 6: on social media and you saw it, you wouldn't have no, no,
Speaker 6: it had happened. The other thing we do have, we
Speaker 6: can put this was all from inside. We can put
Speaker 6: the four up on the screen. This is a These
Speaker 6: are some pictures what happened outside the convention, actually even
Speaker 6: outside the security perimeter. This is from actually a fan
Speaker 6: of the show that I met at the protest in
Speaker 6: Union Park, Dylan Kylie, a photo journalist. Yeah, big shout
Speaker 6: out to Dylan. He put a lot of effort into
Speaker 6: making sure we could get these up on the screen
Speaker 6: and Mackie can just scroll through. But that first one
Speaker 6: that you just saw was important because that was a
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris. It was a sort of cut out of
Speaker 6: her head that was beside a net and Yahoo cut
Speaker 6: out of his head, which when you're talking to some
Speaker 6: of these protesters in Union Park outside the convention, they
Speaker 6: can't get in the security perimeter. These are a lot
Speaker 6: of locals types of people that I talked to, at
Speaker 6: least a lot of locals, a lot of people who
Speaker 6: come from neighboring states, Indiana and Michigan. Jewish voices for
Speaker 6: peace were there. There was some Code Pink activists there.
Speaker 6: One of the things I heard is that we talked
Speaker 6: about this earlier in the show. If Kamala Harris and
Speaker 6: Joe Biden are able to reach a ceasefire, a lot
Speaker 6: of these uncommitted voters might just swing Harris and there's
Speaker 6: you know that would have to be Obviously it's a
Speaker 6: huge ask. It's a huge ask. It does put some
Speaker 6: pressure on the Democratic Party. And for all to talk
Speaker 6: about nineteen sixty eight, I just have to say, you know,
Speaker 6: expectations of tens of thousands of people. One report I
Speaker 6: saw was close to one hundred thousand expected to descend
Speaker 6: upon Chicago, and so far we've seen sort of smatterings
Speaker 6: of a few thousand. It is not nineteen sixty eight
Speaker 6: here in Chicago at least yet, at least yet.
Speaker 4: And something else sick is that net Yahoo doesn't necessarily
Speaker 4: need to agree to a ceasefire to get in good
Speaker 4: with Kamala Harris. What he what he could do if
Speaker 4: he thinks Harris is going to win and he's trying
Speaker 4: to like position himself for that eventuality, he could just
Speaker 4: reduce the bombing. And it told me yesterday the Cyprus landing,
Speaker 4: which is where enormous amount of the AID was moving
Speaker 4: from originally, has just now been completely shut down. So
Speaker 4: he has ways of torturing and causing great suffering to
Speaker 4: the you know, million plus Palestinians in Gaza that don't
Speaker 4: involve bombing schools. So one possibility if these ceasefire talks
Speaker 4: fall apart is that cynically they just hold off on
Speaker 4: the smashing them to pieces for just a few months.
Speaker 4: And there are some analysts who are following this now
Speaker 4: who think that that that could be Netnahu's path forward,
Speaker 4: that he never reaches a ceasefire and just every and
Speaker 4: but has long lulls where the the overt violence that
Speaker 4: we see is reduced for weeks or maybe even months
Speaker 4: at a time, but people are still displaced. Eight is
Speaker 4: still unable to get in, so people are dying of
Speaker 4: treatable diseases, Polio's you know, surging, et cetera. But that
Speaker 4: makes fewer headlines and Democrats might say, okay, cool, that
Speaker 4: works for us.
Speaker 6: And several people were arrested last night trying to breach
Speaker 6: the security perimeter.
Speaker 3: We're hoping for Jane six moment, just Trama's happening.
Speaker 6: Defence does look similar. But so there's a gathering I
Speaker 6: think that's happening at the Israeli consulate in Chicago tonight.
Speaker 6: Obviously it's possible that when you have a decent amount
Speaker 6: of protesters, I mean thousands of protesters are still a
Speaker 6: big number of people, tensions can build throughout the week,
Speaker 6: so we will see. But one of the things I
Speaker 6: just wanted to mention here is the sort of logistics
Speaker 6: that we've panned on behalf of the d n C.
Speaker 6: I mean, the absolute nightmare that was last night's broadcast,
Speaker 6: the credentialing, incredible lines for security hours worse than the
Speaker 6: rn C. All of the RNC had some bad ones
Speaker 6: on its own Day one. We'll see what happens DNC
Speaker 6: Day two. Everyone that I talked to who was here
Speaker 6: to protest had nothing but like positive things to say
Speaker 6: about how the protests have been handled so far by
Speaker 6: the city of Chicago. Everyone said they felt safe, felt orderly.
Speaker 6: So it's kind of an interesting split screen with I
Speaker 6: don't know if it's easy MAC for you to put
Speaker 6: up F three, but it's kind of an interesting split
Speaker 6: screen when you have, for example, reporters saying like, hey,
Speaker 6: the RNC was way better managed than the DNC, and
Speaker 6: at the same time they're at least managing these thousands
Speaker 6: of protesters which did not come to the RNC. There
Speaker 6: were hundreds of them, I would say protesters, maybe a
Speaker 6: couple thousand at one point on one of the days.
Speaker 6: But here at the DNC they're managing these thousands of
Speaker 6: protesters just fine. And then the actual logistics of the
Speaker 6: event itself so far, I've really sucked.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, interesting enough, I totally agree.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a couple of last questions here
Speaker 2: from the chat, and then we will preview the events.
Speaker 4: While you look for it, well, you look for a question,
Speaker 4: talk for one minute about NONTC news if something hilarious,
Speaker 4: all right, that just came out of the Treasury Department
Speaker 4: this morning. They sanctioned Michelle Martin Lee of the former president.
Speaker 4: We're getting eighty or being a dug trafficker, which everybody
Speaker 4: believes is true. This is the guy that Hillary Clinton
Speaker 4: installed based completely illegitimately as president of Haiti. He's now
Speaker 4: being sanctioned as a drug trafficker. That's all funny. Even
Speaker 4: funnier thing. He's a Florida resident, so the US government
Speaker 4: believes that he's an international drug trafficker to the point
Speaker 4: where he needs to be sanctioned.
Speaker 3: But he's an American citizen.
Speaker 4: He's not a citizen, but he lives in Florida.
Speaker 3: He's just gonna hang out in Florida, and that's cool.
Speaker 4: That's that's just how we're going to do that. Like
Speaker 4: what what that is so weird? Like you're sanctioned for
Speaker 4: being a global narco trafficker, but you can just live
Speaker 4: in the villages or whatever. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 4: there's an election in the villages today. Yeah, the guy
Speaker 4: that I've covered that I've covered, Orren Miller.
Speaker 6: Okay, another little bit of non DNC news. Kamala Harrison
Speaker 6: announced a twenty corporate tax rate yesterday. I guess it's
Speaker 6: kind of d n C.
Speaker 4: What is it now, twenty f it's long.
Speaker 6: Trump loaded to like twenty or something closer.
Speaker 3: It's in the lower twenties. Yeah, this is that's actually.
Speaker 4: Gonna be a big fight.
Speaker 3: That'll be interesting.
Speaker 6: So we'll see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and all those rates are up.
Speaker 3: Can you do your best Trump impression before her?
Speaker 9: Impressions are really good?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I'm not I'm not prepared.
Speaker 6: I'm only good in the moment.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: We got a gmrade Gamala. She's nobody ever called her
Speaker 6: that before I.
Speaker 4: Did twenty eight percent.
Speaker 3: She wouldn't even do twenty eight percent.
Speaker 6: Nobody thought that we could never have a comrade Goma.
Speaker 3: Is a nasal quality to it, which is very gutereral too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I only started adding that to it because
Speaker 6: I used to do more of like a him after
Speaker 6: Gillis started. After Gillis started doing it, it is clear
Speaker 6: that you have that guttural Gamrad Gamala. Nobody ever called
Speaker 6: her that.
Speaker 3: It's about the nazel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's tough, but it's also about the hands, right,
Speaker 6: like you have to be the hands are key and
Speaker 6: the best way to learn how to do it, Charlie,
Speaker 6: the best way to learn how to do a Donald
Speaker 6: Trump impression is to simply watch Charlie Kirk do Charlie
Speaker 6: Kirk impression.
Speaker 3: Because he has absorbed.
Speaker 6: All the Trumpian a jesters, like my name's Charlie.
Speaker 3: Okay, what else we got? We're not getting a ton
Speaker 3: of questions here.
Speaker 6: We answered pretty much.
Speaker 3: It's because we've answered everything. That's okay. Well we'll just
Speaker 3: we'll go ahead and peace out of everybody.
Speaker 9: So let's go over what who's speaking tonight?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Predictions?
Speaker 13: I mean, I have a list right here with Samas,
Speaker 13: Doug m Hoff. We have Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 3: Oh, that'll be interesting. Yeah, we'll definitely talk about that tomorrow.
Speaker 13: I've got Illinois Senator Tammy Duckworth, Illinois Governor JB.
Speaker 4: Pritzker.
Speaker 9: We're hearing that Chuck Schumer will speak.
Speaker 6: I don't get the Pritzker stuff. Like, I just don't
Speaker 6: think he's.
Speaker 3: A good he's a normal I mean, he's the governor here, he's.
Speaker 6: Got to speak, I know, but he's a he comes
Speaker 6: with so much like billionaire baggage. He's not particularly charismatic.
Speaker 9: He's just he's so big.
Speaker 3: He's a big He's big big, He's just big. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, who else?
Speaker 13: Bama's the the night apparently is capping off with both
Speaker 13: Michelle and Brock.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe we'll get a week when they go low
Speaker 3: we go high moment again, that's an doubt doubtful Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: No, never Channing, lock him up.
Speaker 3: No, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: I want to see how she handles that this time around.
Speaker 2: I don't really remember her twenty twenty speech at all.
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure she did one because of COVID Obama. Look,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's probably the most beloved Democrat in the
Speaker 2: entire country, so well, I'm curious to see what he does. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he's talented generally. The way that he handles Trump is
Speaker 2: definitely a lot more deaf than Biden. Hilary ever, did
Speaker 2: I want to see the message that he tries to push,
Speaker 2: But I mean, at the same time, he's always been
Speaker 2: terrible transferring his own personal popularity, so that'll be difficult.
Speaker 2: It does appear that tonight will be hosted MC by
Speaker 2: Anna Navarro, so everybody get ready to put a bullet
Speaker 2: to your head.
Speaker 3: So that'll be kind of interesting.
Speaker 6: What else, well, so on that point, yeah, how incredible
Speaker 6: dumb of them to have on a Navarro MC. It's
Speaker 6: playing fight song. She is the human manifestation of fight song.
Speaker 6: She is a long time slimy Republican operative basically who
Speaker 6: when Donald Trump came along, suddenly flipped and became you know,
Speaker 6: you know the type and became just enemy number one
Speaker 6: of Donald Trump. Performatively sanctimonious about the threat of Trump,
Speaker 6: but in the most boomer possible way on the View
Speaker 6: when she guests hosts not even like a full time
Speaker 6: host of the View. So that is just the lack
Speaker 6: of self awareness that it takes to be putting celebrities
Speaker 6: like on a Navarrow up as your MC is truly
Speaker 6: a beautiful thing.
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