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Speaker 2: with President Biden's big speech. Of course, that happened last night. Now,

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Speaker 2: one of the major stories to come out from the

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Speaker 2: speech is not just the speech content itself, but the

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Speaker 2: time that it went on. All of us were up

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Speaker 2: very very late last night. I got shout out to

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Speaker 2: ghost energy of empowering us right now.

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Speaker 3: I promise we're not even getting paid. These are just

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Speaker 3: so good. Yeah, we're just we're the suckers apparently.

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Speaker 6: Also, you get a certain percentage of four daily vitamins

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Speaker 3: Incredible, incredible er, I mean, what else could you ask for?

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Speaker 3: I have orange juice. Ever, again, let's let's get serious.

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Speaker 3: Let's get serious.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the DNC and this this speech. Timing, Mac,

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Speaker 2: could you go ahead and put the A one element

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Speaker 2: you very much. So, what you can see in front

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Speaker 3: So here.

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Speaker 2: What the media reporters over at the Times are saying

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Speaker 2: continue their live coverage of the convention past that scheduled

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Speaker 2: the smaller the overall TV audience will be a development

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Speaker 2: that quote may irk his allies in the party. And

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Speaker 2: that very much was the case. If we want to

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Speaker 2: just to explain to everybody, of course, we're on Central

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Speaker 2: is supposed to happen in primetime, right Ryan, And the

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Speaker 2: longer that things were continuing, it was very clear that

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Speaker 2: this was a massive snub and humiliation of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: His own coronation, not coronation, his own what farewell at

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Speaker 3: Do they have to cut him out of primetime?

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Speaker 2: So, if anything, one of the major stories before Biden

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Speaker 2: So just talk to us about that dynamic. What did

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Speaker 6: Well? And they also started the night this was supposed

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Speaker 6: They started the night with Kamala Harris. So Kamala Harris

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Speaker 6: on Biden's night, I actually think is pretty interesting. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: And then I also have to say there's some conspiratorial

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Speaker 6: think maybe the bigger story we're going to talk about

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Speaker 6: this a couple of times in today's show is that

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Speaker 6: this is a very poorly managed convention. They had to cut.

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Speaker 6: This is what tells me that, more than anything, they

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Speaker 6: did not want to have to go backstage and be like, bro,

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Speaker 6: we're yanking you like you know, you know, they didn't

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Speaker 6: were the last minute scrapping people who had big speeches

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Speaker 6: that were supposed to be in primetime. So I don't

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Speaker 6: think it was any grand conspiracy. I think they're just

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Ryan?

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Speaker 4: Not sure you're right on James Taylor. So Taylor played

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Speaker 4: at the Inflation Reduction Act ceremony, Oh true, Well amongst

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Speaker 4: us forgot. I was at that ceremony and I said

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Speaker 3: Reporter next inflation went down, I was like, is that

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Speaker 4: At two o'clock on a Tuesday, sitting around, don't you

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Speaker 4: have jobs? Sitting around? List of James Taylor. So my

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Speaker 4: point there that sounds like a Biden invitation to James Tayler,

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Speaker 4: Like he must really love James Taylor, and he seems

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Speaker 4: So to cut James Taylor is actually a snub at Biden.

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Speaker 4: Less less than it is Democrats being like, oh no,

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Speaker 4: we really need James Taylor on there. I bet there

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Speaker 4: are a ton of the operative class back there who

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Speaker 4: are doing the organizing. We're like, this was a side

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Speaker 4: to Biden. And you know what, who cares about Biden?

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Speaker 4: Any right, that's right, we're screwing him everywhere else. Let's

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Speaker 4: also yank Biden, like you know. So they had Warnock speaking,

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Speaker 2: Had Warnock's speech, which was genuinely right, emily correct. You No,

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Speaker 2: it was definitely a good speaker. But Warnock's speech is

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Speaker 2: happening during prime time. Warnock's speech is now going up

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Speaker 2: It was very obvious. I think that this was an

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Speaker 2: intentional move. So Mac, could we do a three please

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Speaker 2: if we could put up there on the screen. This

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Speaker 2: was the official response from the Harris Walts campaign is

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Speaker 2: it's a ridiculous and a silly suggestion, the idea that

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Speaker 2: the DNC disrespected President Biden. So their explanation for all

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Speaker 2: of this is that the that there was so much

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Speaker 3: That's just simply not possible. I mean, and I can't

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Speaker 3: plan for I think that I am parroting.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm parroting like Nate Silver and a few others

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Speaker 2: who are like guys, if you believe that it was

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Speaker 2: not an intentional snub or effort by the Harris people

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Speaker 2: to create some plausible ish scenario where Joe Biden, the

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Speaker 2: most unpopular president in like modern times, is pushed out

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Speaker 2: of primetime and people are like, oops, I guess I

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Speaker 2: have to watch Governor Andy Basheer and all these other

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Speaker 2: cogent with it democrats talk about abortion. He's like, you're

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Speaker 2: an idiot, this is very obviously.

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Speaker 4: Or you believe or you believe Democrats are just incredibly incompetent.

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Speaker 3: Well, I also believe that's what I believe. I think it.

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Speaker 2: Could be a confluence of those two events. But okay, okay,

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Speaker 6: So then they're scrambling at the last minute to get

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Speaker 6: side of the incompetence here. I think they wanted to

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Speaker 6: about it. They would forget about him for the rest

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Speaker 6: of the week as energy momentum builds. For as Kamala

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Speaker 6: Harris's speech, Biden is literally going off to Santa Barbara,

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Speaker 6: so he's not going to be anywhere near this thing.

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Speaker 6: They won't have the stink of Biden on anymore. I

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Speaker 6: think they wanted to do that. I don't buy that

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Speaker 6: it was I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Nate.

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Speaker 2: Silver, all right, maybe you're right, listen, maybe I'm just

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Speaker 2: a little bit too conspiratorial. So I guess all of

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Speaker 2: that is a lead up to what was a very

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Speaker 2: long speech, guys, how mean how long was it was

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Speaker 2: about fifty five minutes. I think on the clock was

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Speaker 6: I think he looked the worst that we've ever seen him.

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Speaker 3: He didn't look good. Yes, he physically looked for it.

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Speaker 4: I mean it was late. I didn't look particularly good either.

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Speaker 4: I was the leg flying to Atlanta, right, Chicago.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think I tweeted that, and I was

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Speaker 2: like Biden famously who has never crashed and burned after

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Speaker 2: nine pm, we'll now take the stage roughly around ten

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Speaker 2: thirty pm.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what could go wrong in.

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Speaker 2: Terms of them setting him up for I guess success

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Speaker 2: or failure. Well, he lived up to, you know, some

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Speaker 2: little bit into the camera. He tried to get very animated.

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Speaker 2: He got a lot of thank you Joe Chance. So, Mac,

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Speaker 2: why don't we go ahead and queue up. We've put

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Speaker 2: continue to just set it up. There we go, all right, Mac,

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Speaker 7: But I ran with a deep conviction in America, I

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Speaker 7: I've got five months left in my presidency. I've got

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Speaker 2: We tried our best to cut together. To be honest,

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Speaker 3: What did you think? Ryan?

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Speaker 2: So you you were in So just to explain a

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Speaker 2: Did you guys notice that he was not liking the

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Speaker 6: He's he won't be presiding over the convention like Kamala Harrison.

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Speaker 2: And as we have tried to highlight, one of the

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Speaker 2: I was like, she gave a very standard democratic speech

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Speaker 4: Well, I think I think I think it's because the

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Speaker 3: Well, she said, Kamala is working tirelessly towards the ceasefire,

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Speaker 4: It's a very classic way of everybody sees what's going on. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean, let's give a little bit of our assessment.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen any Mark Kelly. I've never seen anyone.

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Speaker 4: Are there still radically shrunk down but those people are

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Speaker 2: You'll wear tucks, that's right. As long as we're in tuxes.

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Speaker 4: Of course.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to Nancy Pelosi on CNN,

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: can we go ahead and queue that up, please, just

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Speaker 2: so the audience can take a listen, Let's go and

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Speaker 2: play it.

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Speaker 4: It does seem like there's some residual bad blood or resentment.

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Speaker 4: And I'm wondering if you've spoken.

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Speaker 3: To him and and and what your response is to that.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes you just have to take a punch for the children.

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Speaker 4: And that's what you're doing right now. You're just going

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Speaker 4: to take a punch for the children.

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Speaker 6: Who's punching right now?

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I mean, I didn't hear this.

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Speaker 3: If they an interview with me, he's showing the punch.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm not I would never but but she.

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Speaker 9: Said she doesn't want to fight.

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Speaker 4: Nobody wants to have a fight with Nancy at this time.

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Speaker 5: What I have to do right he made the decision

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Speaker 5: for the country. My concern was not about the president,

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Speaker 5: was about his campaigns, as he has seen the exuberance,

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Speaker 5: the excitement that has come forth in our country. I

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Speaker 5: just did an event for one of our members in Illinois,

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Speaker 5: Eric Crenson, today. Immediately he got eleven hundred volunteers into

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Speaker 5: his campaign as soon as that announcement.

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Speaker 4: Nobody is questioning the fact that the Democratic Party seems

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Speaker 4: much better positioned right now than it did four weeks

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Speaker 4: and two days ago. There's no question about that. Former

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Speaker 4: Speaker Pelosis.

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Speaker 5: So why are we been talking about it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why are we even talking about how you literally forced

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Speaker 2: the president out of their race.

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Speaker 4: Like he's dead? Why are we talking about you.

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Speaker 2: That was I mean, but there was something kind of

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Speaker 2: deeply sick about it because she not only is responsible

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Speaker 2: for it, but we were all joking this morning. There's

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Speaker 2: a video I think Griffin sent it to all of

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Speaker 2: our chat where she's also pictured literally holding and chanting

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Speaker 2: thank you Joe on the floor of the convention when

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Speaker 2: she I mean, I guess it is cognizant. And that's

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Speaker 2: part of why Biden doesn't like the chance so much,

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Speaker 2: is because it's like, yeah, thank you for listening to

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Speaker 2: me and getting out of here. We put you out

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Speaker 2: to pasture. We basically forced you out, and there was

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Speaker 2: not you know. That was the other thing that drove

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Speaker 2: me crazy about the Joe Biden speech. There was no

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Speaker 2: you know, high minded stuff going on here. It was

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Speaker 2: the donor's pulled your money. You held on till the

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Speaker 2: very last minute, and you're obviously bitter.

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Speaker 3: Like and on the back. Oh yeah, now you want.

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Speaker 2: To pat on the back for being such a patriot, right,

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Speaker 2: give me a break, Yeah, come on, all right, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: last thoughts on Biden.

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Speaker 4: Well, Pelosi has a book out on power. It just

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Speaker 4: came out. I desperately want to read this. I have

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Speaker 4: a body I can give you one. Jillian bought one

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Speaker 4: at Costco. I was like, they have it at Costco.

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Speaker 6: So you know they have it at a Northern Virginia

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Speaker 6: cost It probably is flying off the shelves.

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Speaker 4: Let's be honest, Nobody Biden should read it. Nobody understands

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Speaker 4: power like Pelosi. True, and to understand power at that

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Speaker 4: depth you have to have some level of uh, sociopathology. Absolutely,

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Speaker 4: so we're almost taking delight in like being able to

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Speaker 4: wield it.

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Speaker 6: Honest to goodness, we need a mini serious like game

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Speaker 6: change style about Nancy Pelosi pushing Joe Biden out of office.

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Speaker 6: That would be HBO.

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Speaker 2: Well look, Mark Alprin was right, he had the scoop. Heah,

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Speaker 2: he did have the scoop. So maybe we should get

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Speaker 2: him to uh, we should maybe get him.

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Speaker 3: We'll premiere it, premiere it. I'm breaking, But.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, let's go ahead and move on. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk a little bit about also forgive. Our

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Speaker 2: producers are walking back and forth. It's a live thing.

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Speaker 2: Everybody forgives it. Everybody's okay with no no, we have

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Speaker 2: we we are embracing the podcast Dreamer energy. It's all

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Speaker 2: we're having, right, now actually, yeah, I'm I'm actually kind

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Speaker 2: of enjoying it. All right, let's go ahead and begin

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Speaker 2: with abortion, because that was the kind of signature event

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Speaker 2: an issue that we saw repeatedly on the stage. From

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris's remarks, there was abortion kind of Roe versus

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Speaker 2: Wade signature sign stuff everywhere. Ryan in the convention hall,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you notice that pro choice reproductive freedom stuff

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Speaker 2: that was everywhere, and you could tell that is something

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Speaker 2: that they're leaning into very very hard. So one of

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Speaker 2: these we have is actually a video of a young woman,

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Speaker 2: Hadley Duval.

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Speaker 3: So we've talked about Hadley on the show before.

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Speaker 2: She very prominently featured in the advertising for Governor Andy

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Speaker 2: Basheer in his twenty twenty two race, and in particular

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Speaker 2: those ads led to Daniel Cameron getting defeated in the election.

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Speaker 2: So Hadley actually took the DNC stage yesterday and I mean,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a pretty impactful moment. She had

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Speaker 2: the crowd in tears from what we could tell Mac,

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Speaker 2: can we go ahead and queue that up?

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Speaker 3: Please? That is B one and yeah, here we go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we all take a listen to it

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Speaker 2: and then we'll react on the other side, shall.

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Speaker 10: We I was raped by my stepfather after years of

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Speaker 10: sexual abuse. At age twelve, I took my first pregnancy

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Speaker 10: test and it was positive. That was the first time

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Speaker 10: I was ever told you have options. I can't imagine

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Speaker 10: not having a choice, But today that's the reality for

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Speaker 10: many women and girls across the country because of Donald

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Speaker 10: Trump's abortion bands. He calls it a beautiful thing. What

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Speaker 10: is so beautiful about it having to carry her parents' child.

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Speaker 10: There are other survivors out there who have no options.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: So that was Hadlee speaking there about her experience, and

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Speaker 2: Governor Andy Basheer actually came out immediately after she spoke,

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Speaker 2: and he also gave remarks on abortion. I found that

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Speaker 2: one pretty interesting, actually, because Basher really went hard against

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, which is, I mean, in some sense a

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Speaker 2: bit difficult for him. This is a state that he

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Speaker 2: governs where Trump won by what thirty points last time around,

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Speaker 2: But he's actually quite popular and he went hard, almost

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Speaker 2: entirely on the issue of abortion.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of that?

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Speaker 6: And he was a serious contender for vice president because

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Speaker 6: of that. What makes Andy Basheer one of the most

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Speaker 6: interesting Democrats in the country right now? Because he's able

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Speaker 6: to not just sort of shrug and is similar to this,

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Speaker 6: but he's able to not just sort of shrug off

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Speaker 6: the cultural issues but lean into the cultural issues and

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Speaker 6: lean into them very hard. Now that's not true across

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Speaker 6: the board, but it's certainly true on this. What you

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Speaker 6: saw on the stage if you were watching the stream

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Speaker 6: is a couple of other uh one was a couple,

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Speaker 6: but and then another woman who were also sharing stories

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Speaker 6: of horrifying, horrifying, tragic circumstances that had been made worse.

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Speaker 6: The contention is by anti abortion policies of Republicans. The

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Speaker 6: couple who miscarried it was just.

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Speaker 3: Oh, actually that's a that's a good point. We should

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Speaker 3: go ahead and just yeah, you mention it. You should watch Matt.

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Speaker 3: Can we go ahead and queue up? That is a B.

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Speaker 3: They're both labeled B one.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's the abortion ad SOT is the

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Speaker 2: one that I'm talking about. Yep, I believe that is it.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and play it for everybody.

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Speaker 8: The blanket that she was the.

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Speaker 6: Fifty four years they were trying to get roe V

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Speaker 6: weight terminated.

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Speaker 9: And I did it, and I'm proud to have done it.

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Speaker 6: I was punished for three days having to wait for

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Speaker 6: either my baby to die or me did I or both?

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Speaker 4: I was stuck in this horrific hell of both wanting

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Speaker 4: to hear her heartbeat and also hoping I wouldn't.

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Speaker 7: It has to be some form of punishment for the woman.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it has to be some form. I almost died

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Speaker 6: because doctors were forced to follow Trump's abortion Day.

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Speaker 8: Kamala will protect a woman's right to choose.

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Speaker 6: We trust women to make decisions about their own honey,

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Speaker 6: and not having governmental and what to do.

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Speaker 3: I had so much faith in her.

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Speaker 6: And when Congress passes the law to restore reproductive freedoms,

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Speaker 6: as President of the and I say I will sign

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Speaker 6: it into love.

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Speaker 1: We have to fight for Kamala Harris, our rights, our freedoms,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, our lives.

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Speaker 8: Everything is on the line.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that was a big moment there from the stage.

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Speaker 2: That was actually I believe happened around seven or eight pm. Strategically, again,

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Speaker 2: I think these people.

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Speaker 3: Know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you guys disagree, but it was very promptly placed

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Speaker 2: right around when people would be tuning into the coverage

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Speaker 2: checking it out, kind of seeing what was going on.

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Speaker 2: And they were hit with the back to back both

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Speaker 2: of that couple's ad. So I thought that abortion was

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Speaker 2: probably the messaging that they pulled off the best last night,

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Speaker 2: And it was both with their speakers all of the people.

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Speaker 3: So they have these two individual.

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Speaker 2: Speakers, that couple actually came out on the stage and

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Speaker 2: spoke afterwards, including in the ad. Then they had Hadlee

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Speaker 2: Duval and then Andy Basheer kind of backing her up

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Speaker 2: on top of that. So you put all that together,

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Speaker 2: and I would say, put Biden's speech and all that aside.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think that was the most important thing

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Speaker 2: out of last night.

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Speaker 3: For me.

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Speaker 2: It was abortion. It was very clearly they have their

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Speaker 2: messaging dialed in and they know exactly which ones to

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Speaker 2: turn up, which worked in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Emily.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is why they're making at least one

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Speaker 6: of the Knights themed around freedom of the DNC because

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Speaker 6: abortion is such a strong talking point for Democrats right now.

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Speaker 6: So it's not even just about what we saw at

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Speaker 6: the convention. Just imagine what you just saw in those

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Speaker 6: ads being played around swing states from now until November.

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Speaker 6: We've covered before in the show what happened in Kansas

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Speaker 6: we've covered what happened in Michigan. Maybe it was significant

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Speaker 6: in Alyssa Slotkin's victory. For example, when you're looking at

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Speaker 6: some of these numbers and so ads that channel the

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Speaker 6: pain and the emotion, the pathos that you just saw

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Speaker 6: there are going to be running around these swing states.

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Speaker 3: What did you think, Ryan?

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Speaker 4: Everybody, almost across the board, except for maybe a five

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Speaker 4: percent on the one one extreme end supports exceptions for

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Speaker 4: rape incest in Life of the Mother, and those two

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Speaker 4: examples hit all three of those, rape and incest in

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Speaker 4: the Kentucky case, and then with Willow Life of the Mother.

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Speaker 6: And Trump, by the way, supports exceptions for rape and incest.

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Speaker 6: It's more like the down ballot.

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Speaker 4: But if you support the exceptions, yet your policy based

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Speaker 4: on these commercials that you're seeing don't seem to actually

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Speaker 4: be making way for those exceptions, then your support of

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Speaker 4: those exceptions isn't very confident is inducing to voters? Probably right.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those where he could say it and

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Speaker 2: it almost doesn't matter because you've got Republican people on

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Speaker 2: down ballot who have literally tried to pass legislation. JD

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Speaker 2: jd Vance has talked about it, and I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think the biggest issue is Arizona. I keep thinking that

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Speaker 2: it's such a consequential event because they have that abortion,

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Speaker 2: they have that referendum on the ballot at the same

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Speaker 2: time of twenty twenty four, and it couldn't have come,

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Speaker 2: what at a worse time for the what was that

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Speaker 2: eighteen sixty abortion law to come back into effect and

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Speaker 2: the way that that animated Democratic voters in Arizona. I

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Speaker 2: think it explains why Kamala if we look at the

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Speaker 2: Sunbell right now, it's her strongest state, she's actually losing

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Speaker 2: in Georgia, even you know, with her momentum, she's got

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Speaker 2: five points in Arizona according to New York Times Sienna,

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Speaker 2: I think abortion is a very very key part of that.

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Speaker 2: Same with North Carolina. That's another place where abortion law

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Speaker 2: and all of that is very iffy. You've got Mark Robinson,

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Speaker 2: that candidate there. I think he effectively what didn't he

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Speaker 2: admit to his wife having an abortion? I didn't I

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Speaker 2: think he.

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Speaker 3: Did where North Carolina? Yeah, in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: I think he was like, well, actually my wife had

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Speaker 2: an abortion, so he I think then I forget exactly

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Speaker 2: what his position is. But my point is that even

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Speaker 2: he is like, Okay, well, we gotta we gotta try

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Speaker 2: and find something a different kind of a different way

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Speaker 2: of talking about this and over.

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Speaker 3: I think the big takeaway.

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Speaker 2: From last night for us, you know, from all of

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Speaker 2: the speakers was just how key abortion is going to

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Speaker 2: play into their messaging.

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Speaker 4: Ryan, Yeah, and Democrats have a genuine opportunity to actually

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Speaker 4: codify Roe v. Wade such that you're seeing the abortion

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Speaker 4: rights groups start to get angry about it. That's right,

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Speaker 4: if you've noticed. It's because codifying Roe v. Wade is

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Speaker 4: considered to be a illegitimate compromise from the perspective of

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Speaker 4: the left because it would allow bands up to you say,

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Speaker 4: some certain amount of time. It is not a comprehensive

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Speaker 4: ban on bands. Yeah, so they're upset by that, which

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Speaker 4: shows that it's actually a real possibility that they might

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Speaker 4: do it. But if they do codify Row, they can

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Speaker 4: then legitimately run every single election on genuine fear mongering,

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Speaker 4: like mongering, actual fear, not fake fear. And that Republicans

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Speaker 4: will overturn Roe v. Wade in Congress if they get

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Speaker 4: back into power, because they will Well.

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Speaker 2: This is a good point. So Chuck Schumer actually made

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Speaker 2: some news mac. I had a tweet that I sent

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Speaker 2: to the chat. If we can pull that up please

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Speaker 2: from Andrew Desideira.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 2: So Chuck Schumer actually gave a press conference this morning

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Speaker 2: here in Chicago, and he talked specifically about how he

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Speaker 2: wants to now revisit a filibuster carve out, this time

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Speaker 2: for abortions. That's really big news to me because Chuck

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Speaker 2: is talking about a carve out, saying quote, they could

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Speaker 2: get it done this time because of Cinema and Mansion

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Speaker 2: will be gone and they would have Gago in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: This is, of course, if Democrats were to take the majority.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I thought that was a really, really

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Speaker 2: big deal. We're going to take some questions from the

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Speaker 2: chat from locals, from our premium subscribers. Just a reminder, everybody,

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Speaker 2: we do have a one month free trial going on

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Speaker 2: right now. You can use the promo code DNC free

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Speaker 2: at Breakingpoints dot com. So I'm opening up the locals

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Speaker 2: chat and okay, in enraged Cog says, what have been

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Speaker 2: your favorite and your least favorite parts of DNC and

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Speaker 2: Chicago so far besides the press badge fiasco.

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Speaker 3: Emily, why don't you go first.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, Enraged Cog is an awesome follower.

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Speaker 6: Thank you seriously. Yeah, longtime follower appreciated. Shout out to

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Speaker 6: Enraged Cog. I will say we had great Italian beef yesterday.

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Speaker 6: That was probably our.

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Speaker 2: Festly parents Burger Baron. Shout out to the Burger baron

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Speaker 2: here in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Dump very so good.

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Speaker 2: We rolled in a m plastic like diner vibe and

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Speaker 2: uh what was it?

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Speaker 3: We got it dipped? Is that right? We got it dip? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the dip sandwich.

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Speaker 4: That was good.

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Speaker 3: Ryan. What about you? What was your favorite thing?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I love being on the floor and seeing

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Speaker 4: all of the like genuine joy. It's just nice to

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Speaker 4: see people happy like. You don't see that very often

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Speaker 4: in this country. And even though this is a very

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Speaker 4: self selected group of people obviously because they're they can

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Speaker 4: afford to get to the Democratic Convention and they care

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Speaker 4: about Democrats like so, I don't ness necessarily have to

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Speaker 4: identify with that. But you know, if it's a knitting

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Speaker 4: convention and people are like going nuts over knitting, I'd

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Speaker 4: love to see that too. I just love to get

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Speaker 4: people into.

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Speaker 3: Stuff people happy.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 3: Can I tell electively happens something.

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Speaker 2: My favorite part was a fan interaction with Ryan where

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Speaker 2: a guy at the d n c uh just it

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Speaker 2: was the kindest fan interaction I've ever seen. He just

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Speaker 2: comes up to Ryan and he goes, I just want

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Speaker 2: you to know that your work is such an inspiration

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Speaker 2: to me and you are the reason that I am

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Speaker 2: here right now. And I was like, oh man, that

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Speaker 2: is h That's as.

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Speaker 4: Good as My favorite was when somebody came up to

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Speaker 4: Saga and said, oh, that's right, I actually like you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, that's right line, I actually like you.

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Speaker 3: We also he was a kind dude.

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Speaker 4: We also met a dude and this I think we

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Speaker 4: have a picture to prove it because it sounds unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: A guy brought from was it Hawaii?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, he was from Hawaii. That's we brought.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he brought two books, The Squad and Populist guy

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Speaker 4: from four years ago brought them from Hawaii hoping to

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Speaker 4: run into us, and he actually did and he had

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Speaker 4: a sharpie.

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Speaker 3: It was honestly pretty incredible. Love shout out to that dude.

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Speaker 6: Can I do a least favorite?

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Speaker 3: Oh go ahead, yeah, we have to.

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Speaker 6: So least favorite is that we are we have Dica,

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Speaker 6: We have all these Chicago sports around us. I tried

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Speaker 6: to put my Brewers out on the table yesterday, but

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Speaker 6: I felt really wrong.

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Speaker 3: We can't get because.

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Speaker 6: We can't disrespect the kindness that's bars Chicago Chicago Podcast.

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Speaker 6: This is an amazing studio. It is a little bit

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Speaker 6: difficult for me to be behind all Bear's.

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Speaker 3: Memorabilia, and I've just got to deal with it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but I respect the French when you're on, when

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Speaker 2: you're in Bear's territory. No, I mean, it's not really

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Speaker 2: fair because they said you can't talk about the press credentials.

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Speaker 2: But honestly, that was really stressful. Our our producer Mac

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Speaker 2: literally had to actually, Mac, would you want to tell

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Speaker 2: the story?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I forget.

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Speaker 2: You have your own mac, you have your own microphone,

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Speaker 2: put your put your camera up, come up on the

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Speaker 2: screen and tell everybody what happened. Mac Mike, Yeah there

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Speaker 2: is Mac Mike, go ahead.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So I was basically tasked for the break Points crew.

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Speaker 11: I was the liaison to go and pick up all

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Speaker 11: of our passes and it, no joke, probably took me

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Speaker 11: two hours when it should have taken maybe maximum like

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Speaker 11: twenty minutes because every police officer, every you know, you know,

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Speaker 11: security person who was there, the DNC workers themselves, everybody

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Speaker 11: told me something different. I was given a full run around.

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Speaker 11: I went inside the convention part, I had to go

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Speaker 11: back outside of the convention part. I had to walk

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Speaker 11: around this whole security perimeter and I was basically just

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Speaker 11: being lied to.

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Speaker 3: Right, it was crazy.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, a bunch of people who didn't really know what

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Speaker 11: was going on.

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Speaker 4: What was going on? Yeah, So anyway, that was the

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Speaker 4: least our drop site editor in OSCA I think helped.

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Speaker 4: She was like, just do not ask the volunteers anything

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Speaker 4: because they do not know. She said, go to the

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Speaker 4: secret Service because they actually do know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well I guess you know, first time a

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Speaker 2: secret service will actually be useful here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my least favorite.

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Speaker 2: The logistics have honestly been a massive pain in the ass,

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Speaker 2: and we are actually going to do an entire segment

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Speaker 2: about that in a little bit, So why don't we

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Speaker 2: go ahead? In turn, there was some breaking news actually

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Speaker 2: that happened just now that we wanted to talk about

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Speaker 2: with RF Kate Junior and his campaign, So his running

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Speaker 2: mate Nicole Shanahan appeared on a podcast recently and is

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Speaker 2: now talking about dropping out of the race her and

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior and endorsing Donald Trump. So Matt, could we

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Speaker 2: queue that up please?

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Speaker 3: We have the video here, guys, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 3: take a listen.

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Speaker 12: That tells me right now is that we just have

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Speaker 12: to keep being honest. I gotta just keep being honest.

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Speaker 12: I gotta keep focusing on what matters the most outside

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Speaker 12: of party lines. I need to focus on a vision

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Speaker 12: that goes beyond November. And if that means that we

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Speaker 12: stay in and you know, there's benefits to staying and

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Speaker 12: if we get over five percent of the vote, we

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Speaker 12: actually establish ourselves as a party. Seventy one percent of

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Speaker 12: Americans want a strong third party with a real shot

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Speaker 12: at winning. There's even public funds available if we get

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Speaker 12: over five percent of the vote, so we could get

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Speaker 12: I think it's like thirteen and a half million dollars

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Speaker 12: in public funds to keep the party going. And that's

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Speaker 12: you know, that's worth something. That means that we can

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Speaker 12: position for a real third party election in twenty twenty

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Speaker 12: eight where we don't have to go around and spend

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Speaker 12: tens of millions of dollars on ballot access, which means

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Speaker 12: that we can spend all of that time and money campaigning.

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Speaker 12: So you know, there's two options that we're looking at,

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Speaker 12: and one is staying in forming that new party, but

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Speaker 12: we run the risk of a Kamala Harris Kamala Harris

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Speaker 12: and Walt's presidency because we draw votes from Trump, or

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Speaker 12: we draw somehow more votes from Trump, or we walk

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Speaker 12: away right now and join forces with Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 12: you know, we walk away from that, and we explain

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Speaker 12: to our base why we're making this decision. Not easy, clearly, Yeah,

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Speaker 12: not an easy decision.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's go over that, because the most consequential

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Speaker 2: part is right there at the end. There's two options

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Speaker 2: that we're looking at. One is staying in forming the

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Speaker 2: new party. But we run the risk of a Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris and a Waltz presidency because we draw more votes

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Speaker 2: from Trump. So there is that question. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: going on there. I mean, look, we haven't gotten a

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Speaker 2: response yet from Bobby or anybody else, but it's pretty

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Speaker 2: clear what we.

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Speaker 3: Talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 4: This is a campaign.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's literally oh actually there's a bit of news

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Speaker 2: on that she got a refund. I'm gonna pull this

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Speaker 2: up actually from the campaign here. There was just some

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Speaker 2: news that came out this morning. Yeah, Nicole Shanahan got

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Speaker 2: a nine hundred and twenty five thousand dollars amount of

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Speaker 2: money that she put into the campaign actually refunded last month.

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Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure how campaign refunds work.

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Speaker 4: That's good sometimes align sometimes alone. You can also do

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Speaker 4: it weird.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, let's think about this.

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Speaker 2: We haven't heard yet from Bobby or RFK Junior any

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Speaker 2: response from the campaign. But regardless, I mean, when the

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Speaker 2: campaign's running mate is like, we don't know what to

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Speaker 2: do and there haven't been a lot of campaign events

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Speaker 2: and she basically is like, we don't want Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: to win, and they would take away vote from Trump

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Speaker 2: because empirically now at this point they are taking votes

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Speaker 2: away from Trump. It does seem quite both logical if

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Speaker 2: that's who they want align themselves with. But more importantly,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what a crazy and a shocking thing to

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Speaker 2: say kind of out loud if they do stay in

879
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: the race as a running made. Yeah, as a running

880
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: mate especially, I mean it's like, what, wait, so are

881
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: you in this to help?

882
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 6: So?

883
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: I mean basically it's like were you in this to

884
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: hurt Joe Biden?

885
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 5: Like?

886
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: What are you doing here?

887
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 6: This is the kind of thing that strategists or aids

888
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 6: will strategically leak to political playbook, right, Like, this is

889
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 6: not the kind of thing that you're used to seeing

890
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 6: just blurted out in full transparency on a podcast the

891
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 6: running Mate slash Main Financier. Right, she's playing two roles there,

892
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 6: running mate and major. I should say not Maine, but

893
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 6: major Financier may be main, but I don't have the

894
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 6: numbers right in front of me, So it's fascinating. The

895
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 6: other thing that stood out to me from that I

896
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 6: haven't seen getting a lot of attention is she says

897
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 6: if we can get five percent of the.

898
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: Vote, that it's a lot less than they used to.

899
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 6: See that as a ceiling. The fact that she's talking

900
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 6: about maybe getting five percent of the vote here in

901
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 6: August twenty twenty four, when they were hitting up to

902
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 6: seventeen percent, before they felt like they had really even

903
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 6: gotten off the ground six months ago, we were talking

904
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 6: about potential parole levels, and with good reason, because it

905
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 6: looked like there was a snowball starting to roll down

906
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 6: the hill with money, with organic support from the public

907
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 6: a smart strategy, but the fact that right now they're

908
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 6: only talking about perhaps a ceiling of five percent of

909
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 6: the vote that is in and of itself from the

910
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 6: major financier, a major financier and the running mate herself,

911
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 6: that's huge. This could be a very different convention.

912
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: Also, I questioned her investment acumen. If she's gonna put

913
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: like one hundred million dollars in to earn thirteen points dollars,

914
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 4: I don't think. Let's see, I think she floated that

915
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: she that she could potentially do that.

916
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it does just I think. I mean, honestly,

917
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: this is a bad look for the third party world,

918
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: is the way I'm putting it, because now you're effectively

919
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: taking yourself out of the independent sphere and you're saying, well,

920
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: we actively hate not to both candidates the way that

921
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: I mean. One of the things that Bobby always tries

922
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: to do is be like, look, I don't agree with Trump,

923
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't like Trump, I don't want to endorse Trump.

924
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: There's so many things I'm very different here. That's why

925
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: that you should vote for me. I am also not

926
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: like the Democrats. I've been sold out on or whatever

927
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: on X.

928
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: Y, and Z.

929
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: But with this running mate situation, You're like, well, it

930
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 2: would mean Kamala Harrison Waltz would win and it would

931
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: draw votes away from Trump. So do we drop out

932
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: and endorse him? You're like, wow, Okay, well that's actually

933
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: a very different look for the third party system. And frankly,

934
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: a lot of the appeal that RFK had I actually

935
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: thought a huge amount of the appeal that he's had,

936
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Speaker 2: just anecdotally from talking from people who are independent is they.

937
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: Don't like Trump either. If they did, they would vote

938
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: for it.

939
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 6: It was the double haters with Trump and.

940
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: Biden Bingo exactly. So whenever you kind of explicitly align

941
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: yourself with Trump. And again, to be clear, Kennedy's not

942
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: done this, but I mean having his running made do

943
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: it is very significant. So Ryan, I wonder if this

944
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: comment itself. I don't know if RFK junior voters who

945
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: are already you know, I mean, they're very enthusiastic, people

946
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: are going to be happy with him, you know, for

947
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: his running me saying.

948
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 4: This, no, it's yes, it's totally bizarre, right, Like Emily said,

949
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 4: it's so weird to see it done kind of out

950
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: in the open like that. And we've had this long,

951
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 4: long running conversation about who does he hurt more, Biden

952
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 4: or Trump. And for her to just come out and

953
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 4: say like, actually, we are going to hurt Donald Trump

954
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 4: if we stay in the race, and therefore we think

955
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 4: we might need to get out is such a curveball.

956
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 4: From the beginning when Democrats were panicked, Yeah, that Kennedy

957
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 4: was going to be drawing.

958
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, honestly, Republican should be the one.

959
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 4: Didn't he did.

960
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 3: He run initially briefly in the Yeah, Democratic primary.

961
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: Basically they forced him out because he wasn't allowed basically

962
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: to do anything.

963
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: Biden wouldn't debate him.

964
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: They effectively pretended he didn't exist, even though he was

965
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: pulling at like twenty percent. Yeah, I thought it was

966
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: smart that he did.

967
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: The third party.

968
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: One of the things that I mean, this is the

969
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: thing as a part as a person who actually does

970
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: care about the third party ecosystem, it is disappointing because

971
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: she's correct both about the amount of money public funds

972
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: and the ballot access and being able to build something

973
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: around some sort of unity ticket. That's how all third

974
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: parties start. They start out very very small. I mean,

975
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: look at Europe, you can go from literally five percent

976
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: of the vote. Look at what the Front Nationale or

977
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: whatever in France, you can literally go from like five

978
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: percent to like the number two party in the.

979
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 4: Entire country parliamentary system.

980
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, sure, but here, I mean, it's all about

981
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: ballot access, it's about names, and this is something that

982
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: what was the ticket that Trump ran on in two thousand,

983
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: what was that called?

984
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was thought a theory of.

985
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: This was the original theory of the Reform Party, which

986
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: was birth from the Ross Perrot I mean victory for

987
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: third party candidates, and so that was a brief moment

988
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: in time where it seemed likely. So anyway, I think

989
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: it's very disappointing for like the overall third party system.

990
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: But generally I think it's a bad look for RFK honestly,

991
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: And if you nef he does do it, it does

992
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: look like you were kind of in this all along

993
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: to just hurt Joe Biden, and I mean, and that's

994
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: that's not what you set out to do with.

995
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: What people in RFK Junior's social circle said at the

996
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: time was that he because of who he and Cheryl

997
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: Hines are friends with and the dinner parties that they

998
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 4: go to et cetera. Right, They don't want to do

999
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 4: anything to help elect Trump. They don't want Sharia Hines

1000
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 4: definitely does it, definitely doesn't want.

1001
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: They don't want to be the Ralph Nader of two

1002
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: thousand and like socially for a while.

1003
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: Or the Jill Stein. I mean he was killed if

1004
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: you'll remember that.

1005
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so to go from there to now the

1006
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 4: vice presidential Namine is worried about hurting Trump is just

1007
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 4: a wild swing.

1008
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 6: Certainly my predictions he just drops out.

1009
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: It could be.

1010
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's really the because he's plummeting right. Well,

1011
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: he five is not a floor for him, Like, yeah,

1012
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: those arrows are pointed.

1013
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 6: Downward, right, And to navigate all of those different sort

1014
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 6: of scenarios, as we were just discussing, the best thing

1015
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 6: to do is just quietly drop out and say I

1016
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 6: was crushed by the DNC machine. I was crushed by

1017
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 6: the anti third party machine of American politics. I was

1018
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 6: crushed by the establishment, and maybe try to rebuild something

1019
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 6: else afterwards. But Soccer's point is so important that this

1020
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 6: candidacy was built on was built on double haters, It

1021
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 6: was built on people being upset with both Trump and Biden.

1022
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 6: It's viewers of shows like this like who just can't

1023
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 6: stand what both parties are doing and you cannot capitulate

1024
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 6: to that at all.

1025
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: Okay, let's take some questions from the chat. We're gonna

1026
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 2: take what five questions?

1027
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: Griffin?

1028
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, three to four.

1029
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: We'll take three to four questions, and then we actually

1030
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: have a guest standing by. So while we stand by

1031
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: and get that guest ready, Crystal actually taped a monologue

1032
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: and a reaction to last night that we will play

1033
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: for all of you. So let's go ahead and begin

1034
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: with questions from locals. A reminder everybody visa from our

1035
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 2: premium subscribers. You can become a premu subscriber and try

1036
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: one month free trial DNC free at Breaking Points dot com. First,

1037
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: who is that dude on the couch? That's producer Griffin. Y.

1038
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: How do people not know producer Griffin?

1039
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1040
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: That's that.

1041
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: This is a man who literally when I'm from barstool, Yeah, Griffin's.

1042
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 6: Are at this mustache and the thrift store, Grandma Sweater.

1043
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 9: I bring the ghosts.

1044
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 3: He's our ghost supplier. Actually, he's the distributor. Emily, did

1045
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 3: you bring bud light line? To Chicago. No, but the

1046
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: drink bud light line.

1047
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 6: I think I said something recently about how bud lightline

1048
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 6: is not a bad it's not a bad beverage, it's

1049
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 6: not bad. But I did I did buy some Corona

1050
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 6: for us, But that's true.

1051
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

1052
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: Do you think, oh, do you think RFK Junior is

1053
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: just fielding cabinet position proposals? This is from cibus one?

1054
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 3: Oh one? What do you think you think he wants?

1055
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: I mean, allegedly, the reporting was that he went to

1056
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: Trump and was like, give me hhs and I'll drop

1057
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: out and endorse you, and.

1058
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: They said no.

1059
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 6: Well, if you remember at the R and C we

1060
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 6: were supposed to interview, that's true, you would, Bobby.

1061
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: I don't really remember all this because I was because

1062
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: I was in the midst of winning planning.

1063
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's right.

1064
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 6: But the video leaked of uh that that conversation, and

1065
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 6: so his day got completely shot and I think that's

1066
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 6: where we started to really see the momentum halting, is

1067
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 6: that it looked like he was coosing up to Trump.

1068
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 6: But I think maybe it was more than anything. I'm

1069
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 6: curious what you guys think, but more than anything, I

1070
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 6: think it's just sort of a way to negotiate a

1071
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 6: good exit at this point. I don't think he had

1072
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 6: that in mind, but I think it's what maybe it's becoming.

1073
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 3: What do you think, Ryan, you think he's going for

1074
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: a cabinet position under Trump?

1075
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1076
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: I mean more importantly, I won't Trump give it to

1077
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 3: him now.

1078
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 4: So the reporting was that the Trump campaign felt that

1079
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 4: it was too aggressive and explicit of a quid pro quo. Right,

1080
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 4: he denied that. When when we reported this originally at Counterpoints,

1081
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: I did not mention that RFK Junior denied it. My

1082
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 4: apologies for not mentioning that accountability here.

1083
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: It also doesn't sound the Senate. Yeah, good point.

1084
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 4: Well there's there's our positions. Yeah, you can take it.

1085
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 4: You could take it. Could be the vitamins are.

1086
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, be worse.

1087
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: Here is a question. This is interesting. I've been tracking

1088
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 2: this little bit. Guak ain't free. Do you plan to

1089
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: discuss the expected massive reduction in new jobs announced tomorrow?

1090
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 2: Could this be politically impactful? So for people who don't

1091
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: haven't been tracking this, it's actually pretty fascinating story. I

1092
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: think the Bureau of Labor Statistics is scheduled to revise

1093
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: down some millions of jobs allegedly created by the Biden administration. Ryan,

1094
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: and the way it works, just everybody knows that BLS

1095
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: is not like A it's not like A it's not

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Speaker 2: actually all that accurate. They use statistical sampling, and they

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Speaker 2: use other basically efforts to estimate how many jobs, and

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Speaker 2: they do frequently have to revise things down. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: Ryan phillis in tell.

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Speaker 4: Us what it What it means is that we'll probably

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Speaker 4: get a half point Yeah, cut rate cuts. So the

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Speaker 4: question for the Fed in weeks now it seems to

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Speaker 4: have gone, according to Wall Street and other people watching it,

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Speaker 4: not from the question of will they cut rates, but

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Speaker 4: will they cut rates by the traditional quarter point or

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Speaker 4: will they cut rates by half a point. The reason

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Speaker 4: that they have not cut rates, despite the Biden administration

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Speaker 4: and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie and everybody like hounding them

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Speaker 4: to do it saying that they're going to throw people

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Speaker 4: out of work, is they were looking at these BLS

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Speaker 4: numbers and saying, well, look, these people are telling us

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Speaker 4: that we're actually seeing this robust job growth. So therefore

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Speaker 4: we need to keep the screws on the American worker.

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Speaker 4: You need to tighten the screws, and we're going to

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Speaker 4: keep interest rates high. So those numbers proving to be

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Speaker 4: incorrect mean that their policy was wrong. Elizabeth Warren was right,

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Speaker 4: they should have cut rates sooner. Jerome Pow was wrong,

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Speaker 4: which means it's very likely you get a half point cut,

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Speaker 4: which means Wall Street will be happy, You'll get a

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Speaker 4: little stock market jump, and people will see mortgage interest

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Speaker 4: rates come down, which then goose's home sales and other

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Speaker 4: lending and potentially economic growth. And you will see Trump

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Speaker 4: absolutely livid. How dare Jerome Palell? I'm going to put

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Speaker 4: them up against the wall of I win.

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people in the chat want this question

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Speaker 2: from you. This is Keim McQuaid question for Ryan. What

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Speaker 2: do you make of AOC's positioning in the party and

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Speaker 2: her future aspirations and potential?

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Speaker 3: A lot of people wanted to hear it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean she has She has gone from somebody

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Speaker 4: who might have gotten boot and hissed at a convention

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Speaker 4: if it were held in like let's say you had

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Speaker 4: a convention in early twenty nineteen, when she's like battling

1135
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 4: Pelosi and the squad is like, you know, having weekly

1136
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 4: censure resolutions for anti Semitic activity to now getting a

1137
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Speaker 4: rousing ovation from the Democratic Party. Faithful to the extent

1138
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Speaker 4: that she offers any criticisms of the party, she couches

1139
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Speaker 4: them in this very politic way of like the great

1140
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Speaker 4: example of Kamala Harris is working tirelessly towards a ceasefire

1141
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Speaker 4: because in Gaza. So she he comes, on the one hand,

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Speaker 4: the only elected official to make mention Gaza, but does

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Speaker 4: it in a way knowing that that will ruffle like

1144
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 4: believe it or not, that will ruffle a couple of feathers,

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Speaker 4: just just the mentioning of Gaza, but does it in

1146
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Speaker 4: a way that is supportive. And anytime she would get

1147
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Speaker 4: asked about Biden she or Gaza like, she would come

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Speaker 4: back with kind of supportive things and talking about how

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Speaker 4: bad the second Trump term would be. She's stuck hard

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Speaker 4: with hard maybe hardest with Biden out of anybody in

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Speaker 4: the Democratic Party. And so she has positioned herself in

1152
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Speaker 4: a way such that party activists who very much distrusted

1153
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 4: her before are huge fans now. And you could imagine

1154
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Speaker 4: that that has positioned her in future years for constant

1155
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Speaker 4: talk of is she going to run for president?

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Speaker 2: I think she's been a good Democrat. I don't just

1157
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: say that in terms of disparaging way. I'm like, she's

1158
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Speaker 2: a party woman. There's pluses and mi ass to that.

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Speaker 2: I think as everybody knows. For people who supported her,

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Speaker 2: it's not what people it's not what people thought thought.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's what some people wanted, not necessarily some

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Speaker 2: of her original supporters.

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Speaker 4: Last question, Bert Bernie was Bernie was always a very

1164
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 4: loyal Democrat too, for his entire career. He was, but

1165
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 4: he was called an independent even though he caucused with Democrats,

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Speaker 4: and he called himself a democratic socialist and he was.

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Speaker 4: He was not as much of a celebrity when he

1168
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 4: came in, so he was not on cable like. People

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00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: didn't actually practically ever heard of him other than as

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Speaker 4: a quirk. So she's had a different path to navigate

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Speaker 4: because she he didn't have to care what national Democrats

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Speaker 4: cared about.

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Speaker 3: Fair point.

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Speaker 2: Last question is for me use her name triple three.

1175
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Speaker 2: How does Sager find a balance reporting on JD Vance

1176
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Speaker 2: when he's friends. Is it difficult to hear all of

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Speaker 2: the brilliant jokes. Yeah, I mean it is. I mean

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Speaker 2: I try to disclose it, right, Emily. I think I

1179
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Speaker 2: do a good job. I'm usually like, hey, everybody, just

1180
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Speaker 2: so everybody knows, I was a known guy for a

1181
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Speaker 2: long time.

1182
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I won't lie.

1183
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Speaker 4: And part of the.

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Speaker 2: Reason I disclose it is that if I seem salty

1185
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Speaker 2: or something, it's probably because I am.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's weird.

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Speaker 2: As some might say, to see somebody who you know

1189
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Speaker 2: on a personal level kind of become this national figure

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Speaker 2: and people develop like a not only even a parasocial relationship,

1191
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: but like people don't know anything about them, so you

1192
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: can't help but see the person that you kind of

1193
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: know at a dinner, right, everybody at home try and

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Speaker 2: empathize with this somebody that you know, like your buddy

1195
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Speaker 2: or something like that. We're not all that close, but

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Speaker 2: you know somebody who you know, and then they become

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Speaker 2: like a national flashpoint.

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Speaker 3: That's it's an odd sensation.

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Speaker 2: So I do always try and couch my criticism or

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Speaker 2: even my analysis in all that, because I think it

1201
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: would be genuinely impossible for me to be objective on

1202
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: the subject, like I want the Republican Party to go

1203
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: in a certain direction. I think he probably best exemplifies

1204
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: that I was very enthusiastic about him becoming the vice president.

1205
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Speaker 2: I won't lie, you know, seeing some of the attacks

1206
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Speaker 2: and the negativity and all that, it does make me

1207
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Speaker 2: question sometimes the political, you know, viability of this entire project.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, can this shit even work?

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00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You know, does it?

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Speaker 2: What does America even want? I honestly don't know. So

1212
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Speaker 2: what's it been like for you?

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Speaker 3: Because you know, you don't know? I guess as well,

1214
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Speaker 3: not as well as tangentially you do.

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Speaker 2: So like, what what do you think from an outsider perspective,

1216
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: like people, me, my social group and all that, how

1217
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: we've been handling this because I think there and look

1218
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: speaking for them, there's been a lot of cope.

1219
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, there's been cope.

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Speaker 6: It was really funny at your wedding, by the way,

1221
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Speaker 6: because it.

1222
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Speaker 3: Had Yeah, yeah, that's true. That had just happened.

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Speaker 6: It just happened.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting because also this a lot of these conversations

1226
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Speaker 6: have been hashed out in public and podcasting spaces, and

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Speaker 6: that's been one of the things that has hurt JD.

1228
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Speaker 6: I did a whole segment a couple of weeks ago

1229
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Speaker 6: on this project twenty twenty five hit against JD on

1230
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Speaker 6: a video that I had filmed. Yeah, that year's back,

1231
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Speaker 6: and it's just like he was saying exactly what he

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Speaker 6: believed because he you know, he was thinking about running

1233
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Speaker 6: for Senate at the time. But just one of those

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Speaker 6: things where it's just one of those things where I

1235
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Speaker 6: think one of the cool things about what we do,

1236
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 6: all of us, is that you don't get from legacy

1237
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 6: media people being honest about this stuff. Right, they just

1238
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 6: have those relationships and don't ever talk about bait.

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Speaker 3: They have these behind the scenes and they won't even

1240
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 3: tell you. Yeah, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 6: Who was what the Supreme Court and Ruth Bader get.

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Speaker 3: With Ruth Bader.

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Speaker 6: Ginsburg for you.

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Speaker 4: So I think this situation is actually the hardest for

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Speaker 4: me because like when when you say, for instance, that

1246
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 4: you want to you think about how you couch your language.

1247
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 4: I want to tell a couch joke, but I can, oh,

1248
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 4: you can tell you because I'm like, oh, that's Sager's body.

1249
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Speaker 4: I can't do that.

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Speaker 3: It's falls to the wall.

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Speaker 2: I do. I have a deep respect for the left's

1252
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: ability to mean, and I did not that I would

1253
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: ever say those were I actually think the left.

1254
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Speaker 3: Was very bad at memes at a time like that.

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Speaker 2: They're doing a good job these days. And yeah, shout

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01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: out to Anne Johnson. Uh So, one of my friends

1257
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: has a theory on this, and I'll flow is quite

1258
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: controversial theory.

1259
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 3: His theory is that.

1260
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Speaker 2: Because a lot of the online right wingers are upset

1261
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: with Trump over Israel and all this other stuff, that

1262
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Speaker 2: they're not bringing their best They're not like bringing their

1263
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: best memurs against Kama. And when he said that, I

1264
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: was like, no, there's something to it.

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Speaker 3: I think he's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about people. People are out there sitting

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Speaker 2: making me and shit posting all day. You're freacking loser,

1268
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:27,959
Speaker 2: all right, Like, let's be honest.

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Speaker 6: You're talking about like Groper's.

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Speaker 3: It's not just Groper's.

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Speaker 4: It's like a million memers. You're gonna get a good

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Speaker 4: meme out of that. And I'm just saying, look, look

1273
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 4: what Trump has to deal with, like online Ai Taylor

1274
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 4: Swift stuff.

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Speaker 3: He's got no good guest. Young online guys are not

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Speaker 3: meaning the way they weren't twenty.

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Speaker 6: Sixteen because of our the Donald.

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01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was are the Donald, Like there was some

1279
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: series like the meme disparity at that time was immense,

1280
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: so then watching the couch thing like explode, I was

1281
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: just like wow, I mean, what can I say, you know,

1282
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: like respect, Like it's not even real, but let's be real,

1283
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: Like this genuinely enter the zeitgeist to the point where

1284
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: fucking Vice residential candidate Tim Walls like makes a joke

1285
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: about it on stage and everyone in the audience knew

1286
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: what he was talking about. Like, you can't, you can't

1287
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Speaker 2: just at least admire that they were able to culturally

1288
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: make that into a thing. And I do think for

1289
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: all the talk of mainstream media and you know, the

1290
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Speaker 2: right has a lot of dissonant power on the Internet

1291
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: and all of that, my main lesson is like when

1292
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: the left wants to kill somebody, like they just can't

1293
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: and they can do it overnight, you know if they.

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Speaker 6: Well, because the media gives them a huge shot in

1295
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 6: the arm, there's no question about it. And then on

1296
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 6: top of it, the weird attack. You have to have

1297
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Speaker 6: to have to give a shout out to Dems for

1298
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 6: making that stick. It's so smart, it's so smart. It's

1299
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Speaker 6: not that they don't have any of their own weirdness

1300
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Speaker 6: going on, because I actually think they have plenty of it.

1301
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Speaker 6: But but you know, if you can make that stick politically, strategically,

1302
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Speaker 6: respect because it's it can take people down pretty easily.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, no, you're weird because you want

1304
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: trance whatever, and yeah, but then they'll be like, you're

1305
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: the weirdo, You're the one bringing trans In this convo,

1306
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Speaker 2: he's kind of one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why are you talking about Tampa? Why are you

1308
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 3: talking about that? You're the weirdo. You just brought up me,

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Speaker 3: But you did it.

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Speaker 4: And and but like you just brought up Tampa.

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Speaker 2: But my point is that we're I even openly admit this.

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Speaker 2: It's weird to bring it up because who is even

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Speaker 2: obsessing about this online? But it's like, but you're the

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Speaker 2: ones who made it into the thing. And nature of

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Speaker 2: the defensive nature of much of right wing politics, by definition,

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Speaker 2: uh is can be. It can be a strength whenever

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Speaker 2: the left is overwhelmingly pushing a message like BLM and

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Speaker 2: it's very unpopular. But in this case, I think it's

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Speaker 2: very difficult for the right because what they've decided to

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Speaker 2: do is to meme past Trump and just say he's irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: There he goes again.

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Speaker 2: I roll And I think the I roll may be

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Speaker 2: the most brilliant thing that they have done yet. Well,

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Speaker 2: because they're not reacting to him, they're just pretending he

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Speaker 2: doesn't exists I do, which denies him a lot of power.

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Speaker 6: I have a very quick point on that, which is

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Speaker 6: Walls in the weird attack that he is leveled every

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Speaker 6: time he talks about books in schools. And it's a

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Speaker 6: reminder that you know, according to pen America, the number

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Speaker 6: one most targeted book from these so called book bands

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Speaker 6: is gender Queer, and conservatives will take a page out

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Speaker 6: of the book of Gender Queer literally with these illustrations

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Speaker 6: of oral sex that are intended for teenage.

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Speaker 3: They're sick, they are, and then put them.

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Speaker 6: Up on the screen and it's like, Okay, well bro,

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Speaker 6: that's kind of weird too, Like why are you tweeting?

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Speaker 3: It's like, what, you know, you have.

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Speaker 6: To have the conversation, you have to do it, yes.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, go ahead. One other point, because Sager and

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Speaker 4: I were talking about this this morning. In twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 4: Hugh Post put Trump in the entertainment section. Thought it

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Speaker 4: was a poorly executed move, but the insight behind it

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Speaker 4: was interesting, which was Democrats are approaching Trump wrong. Like

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Speaker 4: they're they're saying they're putting the six year olds on

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Speaker 4: TV saying like this is so horrible that like, look

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Speaker 4: at these things he's saying. He's so mean, He's like

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Speaker 4: he's scary, he's going to a dictator. And our argument was, no,

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Speaker 4: the guy's a clown and you need to laugh at him,

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Speaker 4: and he cannot handle being laughed at. And I do

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Speaker 4: think that that insight is being proven correct by the

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Speaker 4: way that the eye roll and the weird attack is

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Speaker 4: actually landing on him. So I think I think we

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Speaker 4: were right on the substance. We just didn't pull it off.

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Speaker 3: There you go. Okay, that's been a lot of questions.

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Speaker 3: We will take more throughout the stream. Don't worry. So

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Speaker 3: why don't we go?

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Speaker 13: And as a reminder, you can sign up at breakingpoints

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Speaker 13: dot com see free if you'd like to ask questions.

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Speaker 13: We're reading all the chats, but we're only answering questions

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Speaker 13: from the locals exclusive chat. Thank you all for supporting

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Speaker 13: Breaking Back.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how nice it is that I

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Speaker 2: didn't have to do that is to do it. So

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I got to sit back, I

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Speaker 2: got to take a sip of this ghost energy drink

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Speaker 2: and I was like, what a beautiful moment. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and cue this up. Crystal very kindly

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Speaker 2: filmed a reaction for all of us, So let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and queue it up, and we're going to take

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Speaker 2: a listen. I haven't been we haven't heard from her yet.

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Speaker 2: She will be here tomorrow. Don't worry.

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Speaker 3: We've been text and while we yeah.

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Speaker 2: Of course we've been texting. We went she'd been very

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Speaker 2: active on the group chat. Don't worry, she's not gone.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and listen to Crystal. And while that happens,

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Speaker 2: just if people hear anything in the background, we are

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Speaker 2: going to be setting up a guest live here in

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Speaker 2: the studio.

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Speaker 3: Mac take it away.

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Crystal here. I've been holding down the fort

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Speaker 1: back home, but excited to hop on a plane to

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Speaker 1: get to Chicago tomorrow and join the rest of the crew.

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Speaker 1: Have been doing a fantastic job reporting live from the

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Speaker 1: scene there at the DNC. Wanted to take just a

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Speaker 1: couple of minutes though, to give you my reactions, kind

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Speaker 1: of top line thoughts about the DNC from day one.

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Speaker 1: I think the intention was to make this a day

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Speaker 1: where they could kind of bury the past as embodied

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Speaker 1: by Hillary Clinton and of course, most specifically Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: There was some awkwardness involved here because the speeches and

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Speaker 1: everything was very I guess poorly organized, went way too long.

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Speaker 1: The DNC planners are saying, oh, it was because the

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Speaker 1: applause was so raucous that we didn't even get to

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden until eleven thirty at night. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: that it's a really bad thing from their perspective, because

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Speaker 1: mostly Joe Biden just served as a reminder of why

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Speaker 1: people were so relieved that he's off the ticket. But

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Speaker 1: I'll get to all of that. I thought i'd just

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Speaker 1: go through kind of the good, the bad, and the

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Speaker 1: extremely cringe Hillary fight song looking at you with that one,

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Speaker 1: and talk through what I thought were some of the

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Speaker 1: best moments. And there were some good moments and some

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Speaker 1: of the what I would consider just absolutely morally unconscionable moments.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't surprise you what topic that is on, but

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Speaker 1: I'll start with the positive most of the night up

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Speaker 1: until really you got to Hillary Clinton. I thought Democrats

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Speaker 1: displayed a much sharper and more effective way of attacking

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And of contrasting their own agenda with the

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Speaker 1: Republican Trumpian agenda. Frankly, it was a lot of class war.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: They really highlighted a lot of different union leaders. The

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Speaker 1: apex of that was Sean Fain, who's the new president

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Speaker 1: of the UAW, who gave a barn burner of the speech.

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Speaker 1: He's a fantastically talented speaker and leader. He's the one

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Speaker 1: who really helped to secure incredible gains for auto workers

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Speaker 1: in America using his strike strategy. And he was wearing

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Speaker 1: a shirt that said Donald Trump is a scab, and

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Speaker 1: he led the whole room in a chant of Trumps

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Speaker 1: a scab. Which having been at the DNC back in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when it was Hillary Clinton, I cannot tell

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Speaker 1: you how different a politics that is versus what was doing,

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Speaker 1: what we were doing back then, you know, the identity politics,

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Speaker 1: the trailblazing, the moralizing, etc. So huge distinction from the

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton approach to Donald Trump, which was very much

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Speaker 1: demonstrated later when Hillary Clinton herself spoke, and also a

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Speaker 1: big distinction from how Joe Biden approached the you know,

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Speaker 1: going after Donald Trump, where it was much more sanctum,

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Speaker 1: ammonious but also much more sort of gloves on, like

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Speaker 1: unwilling to really throw a hard punch. This was much

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Speaker 1: more unvarnished, gloves off partisan in sort of a positive

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Speaker 1: connotation in the word.

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Speaker 6: You know, it was not.

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Speaker 1: Afraid of a divisive politics, and I'm not afraid of

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Speaker 1: a divisive politics when it comes to divisions along the

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Speaker 1: correct lines. And for part of the night they did that,

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Speaker 1: you know, very class focused with Sean Fain with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of labor leaders. AOC speech hit some of those

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Speaker 1: themes as well. Others did too. You also brought in

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Speaker 1: some of sort of the best of the resistance lib

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Speaker 1: attacks on Trump. It may be cringed to a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, but I do think like the comp versus

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Speaker 1: the criminal stuff is very effective. They had a video

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Speaker 1: that was very effective in that regard. I thought Congresswoman

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, who is very talented and very charismatic individual,

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Speaker 1: I thought she did a good job of sort of

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Speaker 1: landing those blows as well. And you had some interesting

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Speaker 1: to me, you know, as like a wonk and someone

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Speaker 1: who really cares about this policy stuff. You had a

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Speaker 1: really interesting moment from of all people, Commerce Secretary Gina Raymondo,

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Speaker 1: who you may not have any clue who she is,

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Speaker 1: but she is the former governor of Rhode Island and

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Speaker 1: a former venture capitalist and is from the decidedly planted

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Speaker 1: in the corporate wing of the Democratic Party, in the

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Speaker 1: pro Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party. And she

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Speaker 1: came out and was singing from the hymnal of Lena

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Speaker 1: Khan and talking up the anti monopoly efforts of this administration.

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Speaker 1: And why is that exciting to me? Because that's an

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Speaker 1: indication that that battle is deaf is basically one like

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Speaker 1: all the you know, reied Hoffman and everybody else, all

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Speaker 1: these other billionaires who were coming out trying to pressure

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris to fire Lena Khan, to stop the direction

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Speaker 1: that the Biden administration was going on in one of

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Speaker 1: the better things that they've done in terms of anti

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Speaker 1: trust and taking on corporate power, et cetera. Not going

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Speaker 1: to happen. That fight If you have Gina Raymondo talking

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Speaker 1: about anti trust actions at her DNC speech, that battle

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Speaker 1: is over. That fight as one. So that was very

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Speaker 1: heartening to see. On a separate note, there were a

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Speaker 1: number of women who came forward and gave really personal

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Speaker 1: testimony about the way the ending of Roe versus Weide

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Speaker 1: had been personally devastating to them, including a young woman

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Speaker 1: from Kentucky who had been raped by her stepfather and

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Speaker 1: she had been the subject of an incredibly powerful ad

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Speaker 1: on behalf of Andy Basheer, and he was running for

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Speaker 1: governor reelection in Kentucky and he ends up winning that

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Speaker 1: race even in Kentucky by five percentage boyds. Andy Bisheer

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Speaker 1: also spoke, I thought that was really powerful. I thought

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Speaker 1: hearing from them directly, these real people, real families, real stories,

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Speaker 1: I thought that landed. Obviously, that's an issue that is

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Speaker 1: going to be really important to Democrats. And Andy Basheer

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Speaker 1: went on to kind of emphasize some of those points.

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Speaker 1: So in any case, when they were doing you know,

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Speaker 1: the more class war framing Trump as an out of touch, fraudster,

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Speaker 1: billionaire criminal, I thought that all from just a partisan

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Speaker 1: political perspective, I think it worked well. I also think

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Speaker 1: it's more in line with the you know, the type

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Speaker 1: of politics I would like to see that is focused

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Speaker 1: on economics and working class economics, working class power, the

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Speaker 1: heavy intentional presence of labor, and the excitement around that.

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Speaker 1: Again huge contrast with back in twenty sixteen, when those

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Speaker 1: sorts of issues were really being sidelined. So that's the good.

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Speaker 1: The cringe was very obviously Hillary Clinton Kathy Hokel, also

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Speaker 1: governor of New York. Terrible speech, terrible speaker. It's incredible

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Speaker 1: that such an untalented person is governor of such an

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Speaker 1: important state. Put that one to the side. The Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton speech was everything you would expect. It was highly narcissistic.

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Speaker 1: She did get a raucous applause in the room.

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Speaker 3: They love her.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: This is the person who is most approximately responsible for

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Speaker 1: putting Donald Trump in the White House, but she has

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Speaker 1: successfully rehabbed herself with the Democratic Party faithful. Not so

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Speaker 1: much with the rest of the country. But you know,

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Speaker 1: she went through it was very twenty sixteen. It was

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Speaker 1: very like, you know, here's the glass ceiling that I

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Speaker 1: wasn't quite able to shatter, and here's Kamala Harris historic identity,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And I think in general, the

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Speaker 1: Harris Walls campaign has been very intelligent and very effective

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Speaker 1: in letting her trail blazing status speak for itself, like

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Speaker 1: we can all see that you're a biracial woman, it's

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Speaker 1: not a surprise. So then when she finishes her speech

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Speaker 1: and they play her off to fight song, which just

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Speaker 1: hearing it at all is extremely triggering for me. After

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Speaker 1: through that whole experience, it you know, really encapsulated just

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Speaker 1: how failed her politics are, how cringy her politics are.

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Speaker 1: There was a moment there too that caught people's attention

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Speaker 1: where the crowds started cheering lock him up while Hillary speaking.

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Speaker 1: That was probably the highlight of Hillary speech, to be

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01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: honest with you, she looked very pleased during all of that,

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: but you know, fair enough, fair enough, since she had

1523
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: that chanted to her the whole time she was running

1524
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: for office. Interestingly commel in particular, I think Tim Walls too.

1525
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: When people have been chanting that at their rallies, they've

1526
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: tried to tamp it down and say, no, no, no, we're

1527
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: going to beat him electorally. Let the judicial system handle that.

1528
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: Hillary had no such qualms about letting the cheers ring out,

1529
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: and again suppose that's her prerogative given what they put

1530
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: through her through on the bad It's very difficult to

1531
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: talk about this convention, this party, this ticket, this current

1532
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: president without the giant elephant in the room, which is

1533
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: that all of these people are enabling horrifying atrocities that

1534
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: are occurring on a daily basis in the Gaza Strip

1535
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: against the Palestinian people. They continue to ship weapons.

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01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 3: You know, as we.

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01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: Speak, there are these supposed ceasefire talks that once again

1538
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: the administration is complet completely running cover for BB NETANYAHUO

1539
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: saying oh, well, Israel accepted the ceasefire terms and now

1540
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: it's just Hamas that's standing in the way. In reality,

1541
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: what Netanyaho put forward and accepted isn't even a ceasefire.

1542
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: The qualm that the biggest colm that Hamas has with

1543
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: this proposal is that it's literally not a ceasefire. And

1544
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: of course they've completely moved the goalpost. Hamas did agree

1545
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: to the deal that Israel had supposedly also accepted back

1546
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: several months ago, and they just keep adding conditions until

1547
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: they get to the point where, of course Hamas is

1548
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: not going to accept a ceasefire that is not actually

1549
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: a ceasefire. So you know, that's the context that hangs

1550
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: over all of this. You had quite large protests yesterday.

1551
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they were as large as the organizers

1552
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: hope they would be. But they were still significant. You

1553
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: actually had protesters who jumped up during Biden's speech, and

1554
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: kudos to Ryan, he was all over this. He's one

1555
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: of the only reporters you know, got a heads up

1556
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: about the about this was able to you know, able

1557
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: to record this as it all went down, and the

1558
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 1: response from the crowd was was horrifying.

1559
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 3: Honestly.

1560
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: One person was hitting one of the Muslim women who

1561
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: was holding up this banner with a sign that said

1562
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: I Love Joe of all things, hitting her in the

1563
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: head with that, and obviously, you know, crowd was doing

1564
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: their best to cover up the sign with their I

1565
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: Love Joe signs that they were holding.

1566
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 3: So there was that.

1567
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: One of the most outrageous moments to me was when

1568
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: AOC is speaking, and this is someone who has under

1569
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: pressure called Israel's assault on Gaza accurately a genocide, and

1570
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: then she gets up there, you know, in front of

1571
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: an adoring crowd, shows her complete transition into being a

1572
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: mainstream Democratic party figure. She gets up in front of

1573
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: this adoring crowd and swears that Kamala Harris is working

1574
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: night and day for a ceasefire. There's no evidence that

1575
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: that that's just not true. And so you know, it's

1576
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: one thing to say, as I think many people feel, okay, well,

1577
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: Trump would be worse. And there are things about the

1578
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 1: Biden hair, you know, Biden Harris administration that I appreciate.

1579
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: On the domestic front, there are these concerns about democracy,

1580
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: abortion right, whatever it is. And when I weigh it

1581
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: all in the balance, even though I am utterly horrified

1582
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: by the atrocities that are happening here, we have to

1583
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: still get behind this ticket. It's another thing to just

1584
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: lie given the current context, and if Kamala Harris differs

1585
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: from Joe Biden on Gaza, she needs to come out

1586
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: and say it. So far, all we've gotten is, you know,

1587
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 1: a little bit of tone shift. We've gotten a positive

1588
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: indicator and picking Tim Walls over Josh Shapiro. Whether it

1589
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: was for that reason or not, we don't really know.

1590
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: We've gotten more engagement. And I'm someone who is actually

1591
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: hopeful that because she's not an id law in the

1592
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: way that Joe Biden would be. I'm not expecting her

1593
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: to turn into Rashida to leave, but I do think

1594
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: that she would be more subtic to pressure. And I

1595
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: think any like normal Democrat who was just weighing the

1596
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: political benefit and political cost of this strategy, putting the

1597
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 1: morality aside, would have abandoned or never taken the bb

1598
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: ninya who bear hug strategy in the first place. But

1599
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: I have come to think that this idea that because

1600
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 1: she's in the administration, she can't really break with Biden.

1601
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: I think this is nonsense. I think this is an excuse.

1602
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: I think it's cope. So if there is a change

1603
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: in strategy approach, if there is distance, she needs to

1604
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: come out and say that. So anyway, that was from

1605
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: AOC and as someone who you know, she's supposed to

1606
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: be this beacon of progressivism and have this base among progressives,

1607
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: just just covering up for them when you've you have

1608
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: accurately called it a genocide. I don't I think that's inexcusable.

1609
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: At the same time, Joe Biden, you know, is interesting

1610
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 1: speaking of tone shit, in his speech, he kind of

1611
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: said some of the right things in terms of, you know,

1612
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: we need to cease fire, we want peace, putting an

1613
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: emphasis that he normally doesn't on Gaza civilian life. But

1614
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: again it rings so hollow when you consider you just

1615
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: ship more weapons and you are right now running cover

1616
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:30,520
Speaker 1: for these atrocities that continue to kill, sicken, wound, displace Palestinians.

1617
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: I can play for you what he said, and then

1618
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: I'll react a little more on the other side. Let

1619
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: me go ahead and pull this up.

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Speaker 7: I wrote a peace treaty for Gaza a few days ago.

1621
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 7: I put forward a proposals that brought us closer to

1622
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 7: doing that than we've done. In October seventh, we're working

1623
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 7: around the clock. My Secretary of State for Vanna wider

1624
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 7: Wore and re nine hostages to their families and serge

1625
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 7: humanitarian health and food assistants into Gaza. Now then the

1626
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 7: civilian suffering of the polace any people, and fine, finally

1627
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 7: finally deliver a cease firing and this war.

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01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 1: So you know, he's saying some of the right things

1629
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: given that, and I'm sure you know they're looking at

1630
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: the polling and this is very clearly where the Democratic

1631
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: Party basis has been for a long time. A majority

1632
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: of Biden voters view this as a genocide. But the

1633
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: actions still fall I mean not even fall short. They're

1634
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 1: the polar opposite of what you would want to see.

1635
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: Why at this late date are you still running cover

1636
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: for BB Nott and Yahoo and buying into his line

1637
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: that always offered some great deal for a ceasefire when

1638
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: it's literally not even a ceasefire. And more to the point,

1639
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: it's this continued feigned impotence, like, gosh, g golly, I

1640
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: really wish I could get that ceasefire. You are the

1641
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: American president this country, and this evil leader of that

1642
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: country is wholly dependent on you and your actions and

1643
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: your arms, and you won't. You may like hope and

1644
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: wish that he would just come to his own decision

1645
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: to you know, institute a real and lasting ceasefire in

1646
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: a two state solution way. That is not reality. If

1647
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: you want to cease fire, go get a ceasefire. So

1648
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, those were to me the most horrible moments.

1649
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that sort of goes without saying

1650
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: in terms of the context of the gravity of the situation,

1651
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: and it really is head spending trying to cover this

1652
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 1: in a way that makes sense, because you're, like, you know,

1653
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: other than the atrocities that they're enabling, committing great job

1654
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: of the DNC, Like, how do you how do you

1655
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: talk about this in a way that is moral, ethical, pragmatic, reasonable,

1656
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: et cetera. But you know, I guess the last thing

1657
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: I'll say is to tie up the sort of meta

1658
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: political point here by and as I mentioned, pushed waylaid

1659
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: in the night doesn't start till eleven thirty, etc. And

1660
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: I guarantee you there was not one person in that

1661
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: room or in the country at large who listened to

1662
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's speech, which was for Joe Biden. Fine, had

1663
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: some iffy moments, had a little bit of like, you know,

1664
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: verbal celuring it or whatever, but judging by the Joe

1665
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: Biden bar below the floor standard, fine, there was not

1666
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: one person who would look at that and go, gosh,

1667
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: I wish that guy was there, nominan wish we still

1668
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: were running with that guy. It was as Hillary's speech

1669
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: was a reminder of why everyone should be glad in

1670
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,520
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party that they've moved past Hillary Clinton politics. Certainly,

1671
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's speech was a very clear reminder of why

1672
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: they are so relieved and why they are so enthusiastic

1673
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: to have Kamala Harris and Tim Walls instead of Joe

1674
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: Biden and leading the ticket. So in any case, team

1675
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: there in Chicaga is doing fantastic job breaking everything down.

1676
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: Reporting from the scene and grabbing interesting video from the

1677
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: people that are there. And as I said, I'm really

1678
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: excited to be there with them tomorrow so I can

1679
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: join the whole crew and continue to react to whatever

1680
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 1: the Democrats have in store for us.

1681
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 3: See you guys soon.

1682
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: Excellent, Thank you Crystal. That was a very good video,

1683
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 2: and we're very excited to be joined by her tomorrow.

1684
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 2: She'll be here live in the studio. But we've got

1685
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: a great guest to materialize out of nowhere.

1686
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 4: Ryan want she was, she was behind here and I

1687
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 4: want to made this happen. So lexis Dada and is

1688
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 4: one of the founders is that right or leader a

1689
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 4: leader of the uncommitted.

1690
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 14: Yeah, one of the founders from Michigan and now the

1691
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 14: co chair of the National Movement.

1692
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 4: Okay, so you're you're in town, wheeling and dealing, trying

1693
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 4: to pressure Democrats UH to get toward a ceasefire or

1694
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 4: or beyond and arms, arms and bargo. Interestingly, there may

1695
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 4: be some confusion out there. You guys are not actually

1696
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 4: organizing any of the street demonstrations. No, So first of all,

1697
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 4: like why not, like because I think people watching are

1698
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 4: like seeing the street protests and be like Oh cool

1699
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 4: that those are the uncommitted folks that have brought people

1700
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 4: in the street. But it's not exactly right. So what's

1701
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 4: the relationship there.

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01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I think listen, pressure happens in all ways,

1703
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 14: and I think pressure is needed in all ways, whether

1704
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 14: it's in the streets or inside the DNC, and for

1705
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 14: uncommitted particularly. We actually were really strategic to create a

1706
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 14: mass rally across the country ahead of the Democratic National Convention,

1707
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 14: where we launched a campaign called the Not Another Bomb

1708
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 14: Campaign where folks all over the country and over thirty

1709
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 14: five states and every single major battleground stay inclusive of Michigan, Wisconsin,

1710
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 14: Georgia that went to the streets between August sixteenth and

1711
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 14: August eighteenth and ultimately demanded not another Bomb, that no

1712
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 14: more of our tax dollars fund anymore of the bombs

1713
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 14: that are dropping on Palestinians, that we want the genocide

1714
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 14: to end. And we did that strategically ahead of the

1715
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 14: convention to then dovetail where our uncommitted delegates are going

1716
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 14: into the convention on the convention floor with the same

1717
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 14: exact messaging of no more money for genocide, that we

1718
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 14: don't want to fund any more bombs.

1719
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 8: And what we did, what we've been.

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01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 14: Able to do with these efforts is actually recruit ceasefire delegates,

1721
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 14: so folks that are actually here to endorse VP Harris

1722
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 14: and support the Harris Waltz campaign, but also stand in

1723
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 14: solidarity with our movements that are saying we don't want

1724
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,759
Speaker 14: any more of our tax dollars funding genocide. We actually

1725
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 14: have over two hundred and ten ceasefire delegates that have

1726
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 14: signed onto our Ceasefire Delegate petition letter demanding VP Harris

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01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 14: pledge it enacted arms embargo, and so it was really

1728
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 14: just a strategic move we made to take the energy

1729
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 14: and the capacity and the resources we had to organize

1730
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 14: folks ahead of the DNC, but also to organize delegates

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01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 14: inside the DETA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what can you explain that to us? So, Ryan

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Speaker 2: and I were in the convention hall, we saw a

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01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 2: lot of delegates walking around with T shirts that said

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Speaker 2: cease fire delegate.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: So are we advancing are trying to advance at DNC

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01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 2: legislation or sorry, a DNC platform, try to force a

1739
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 2: vote of some kind or is it just about I

1740
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 2: guess sending a message while in the convention.

1741
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Speaker 8: Yeah, great question. We definitely have DNC demands.

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Speaker 14: We had uncommitted, had DNC demands going into the Convention

1743
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 14: of asking for one doctor Tanya he Hessen, who's a

1744
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,839
Speaker 14: piatric intensive care doctor that has been serving in Graza

1745
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 14: for years actually performing surgery on men, women and children

1746
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 14: who have suffered from US funded Israeli bombs, and we're

1747
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 14: asking for her to be able to speak from the

1748
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 14: convention floor. We have also asked for a Palestinian American

1749
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 14: leader to speak from the convention floor as well, to

1750
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 14: be able to raise the voice around Palestinian human rights

1751
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 14: and how the Democratic Party orients towards discussing Palaestinian self determination.

1752
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 14: We additionally asked for some sort of panel as it

1753
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,799
Speaker 14: relates to discussing palaestin and human rights within the Democratic Party,

1754
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 14: which we were able to land. It was a historic

1755
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 14: thing that was given and happened actually yesterday and it

1756
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 14: was one of the they had quoted it as one

1757
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 14: of the most highly attended events on the Convention or

1758
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 14: within the Convention yesterday as well. And so those were

1759
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 14: really our demands coming into the Convention and then in

1760
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 14: addition to those demands, just really uplifting this idea that

1761
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 14: we want, you know, VP Harris to listen to her

1762
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 14: base of anti war voters, inclusive of people that are

1763
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 14: there to endorse her, because we are looking at an

1764
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 14: election in November where we have a very racist, fascist

1765
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 14: leader at on the Republican side that nobody wants to

1766
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 14: see elected. And what we're trying to do is we're

1767
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 14: trying to get VP Harris, the Harris Waltz campaign to

1768
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,879
Speaker 14: see and understand that majority of Democrats want a ceasefire,

1769
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 14: they want in arms embargo, and we're hoping at the

1770
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 14: public pressure that we were able to portray both outside

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01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 14: the convention with our national Weekend of Action and inside

1772
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 14: the convention and get sort of move on this policy change.

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Speaker 2: Let's yeah, let's stick with that a little bit though,

1774
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 2: because if you're already there to endorse Kamala Harris and

1775
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 2: Tim Walls, then why should they listen to you? Not

1776
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 2: new per se, but you know, the uncommitted movement now

1777
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 2: that you're in the convention hall, and especially if you're not,

1778
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 2: you know, endorsing some of the protest action and other things,

1779
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 2: So like why should those who are in power, as

1780
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 2: we saw with the DNC platform, why should they take

1781
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: this seriously if there's not a real threat to withhold

1782
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 2: a vote.

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Speaker 14: I mean, it's all about building movement power. When you

1784
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 14: look at history, movement work is exactly what leads to

1785
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 14: policy change. And there's a reality with the Uncommitted movement

1786
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 14: that it's not a monolithic movement. There are people who

1787
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 14: are fully supportive and believe in the Democratic Party and

1788
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 14: want to see VP Harris win. There are folks that

1789
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 14: have given up on the Democratic Party but they want

1790
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 14: to see a ceasefire in an arms embargo. And there's

1791
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 14: folks that in majority of folks who are waiting for

1792
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 14: VP Harris to make a move to be able to

1793
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 14: go to the boat the ballot box in November and

1794
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 14: vote for her. And so folks that are ceasefire delegates

1795
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 14: that are there to endorse VP Hears, they understand how

1796
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 14: important this movement is come November. They understand the seven

1797
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 14: hundred and thirty thousand voters that voted uncommitted. Every vote

1798
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 14: matters towards the selection. And they're there because yes, they

1799
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 14: support VP Haars, but they also support Palestinian Solidarity or

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01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 14: Palaestinian human rights and self determination and they want to

1801
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 14: be able to work in unison with uncommitted in our

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01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 14: uncommitted delegates to really lift up that ask well.

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Speaker 6: And I have a question on that point, because you know,

1804
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 6: I'm used to talking to yesterday in Union Park, when

1805
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 6: you're talking to sort of the activist class of genuine leftists.

1806
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 6: You know, there were code pink folks there. I was

1807
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 6: asking them, you know, is there anything are you uncommitted?

1808
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 6: Are you voting for Kamala Harris? And most people said

1809
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 6: they were uncommitted, but they would genuinely vote for Kamala

1810
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 6: Harris if there's a ceasefire negotiation that is acceptable to them.

1811
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 6: And I'm just not used to hearing that. And I think,

1812
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 6: you know, from cold pink types, genuine leftist activist types,

1813
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 6: usually it'd be like, hell, no, I'm not voting for

1814
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 6: the Democrat. This is a different crowd. There are people

1815
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 6: from a lot of different walks of life that are

1816
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 6: getting involved in this movement. I think that speaks to

1817
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 6: I'm curious to your sense you're from Michigan. In some

1818
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,839
Speaker 6: of these states, there was a group of swing voters

1819
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 6: that might be small compared to you know, the suburban

1820
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 6: women demographic that everybody talks about. But in a very

1821
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,560
Speaker 6: close race. When you're looking at Jill Stein margins potentially

1822
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 6: making a difference, this is huge. Do Democrats sense that?

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01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1824
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,839
Speaker 14: I mean when you're looking at the polls obviously, when

1825
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 14: Biden was the Democratic nominee, polls between Trump and Biden,

1826
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 14: we're pretty large gap. And when you're looking at the

1827
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 14: polls now, it's a very narrow gap between VP Harris

1828
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,879
Speaker 14: and Donald Trump. When you look at history in Michigan,

1829
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 14: Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen by ten

1830
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 14: thousand votes and it's a very minor margin of victory.

1831
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 14: And so when we say that every vote matters, we

1832
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 14: mean every vote matters. And I think we're in a

1833
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 14: very high stakes, tough political landscape. You have the Democratic

1834
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 14: Party right now who's literally directly funding genocide, who there

1835
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 14: are US funded bombs that are dropping. You know, we

1836
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 14: listen to doctors speak this morning about what they've witnessed

1837
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 14: in Rezza and a doctor who literally spoke about a

1838
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 14: moment where a woman was in the hospital and said

1839
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 14: that when she looked at the missile that was dropped

1840
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 14: on their I think it was a school or wherever

1841
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 14: they were, it was a US made missile that dropped

1842
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 14: on Palestinians, and so you're hearing and seeing all these

1843
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 14: things are that our Democratic Party is doing. But on

1844
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 14: the flip side, you have a very racist, fascist leader

1845
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 14: and people don't know what to do, and so you're

1846
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 14: hearing a lot of the conversations of we want to

1847
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 14: go to the polls and vote for VP Harris. But

1848
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 14: it's really it's a moral it's a moral conscious thing.

1849
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 14: People can't find themselves or they can't have the ability

1850
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 14: to go to the polls and vote for people who

1851
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 14: are aiding and a betting in genocide. And they also

1852
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 14: don't want to vote for Donald Trump. And so I

1853
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 14: think this movement has become such a diverse, multi generational,

1854
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 14: multi faith, multi ethnic movement because people know how important

1855
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 14: it is to value human life and they believe in

1856
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 14: the values of the Democratic Party. But the reality is

1857
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 14: our Democratic Party is not making decisions aligned with those values,

1858
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 14: and the people are trying to do that.

1859
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 4: And so you mentioned the list of demands that you

1860
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 4: guys have, and to the Family's point, there are some

1861
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 4: who are definitely open if she moves that they're willing

1862
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 4: to vote for Harris. But there's also been this interesting

1863
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 4: overlap that I've almost never seen before among kind of

1864
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 4: far left folks who are at some of these protests

1865
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 4: and kind of democratic operatives who are both saying the

1866
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 4: same things. The far left activists are saying the uncommitted

1867
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 4: delegates they're not going to get anything and they're going

1868
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 4: to capitulate at the end and support Vice President Harris,

1869
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 4: and the high level operatives are saying, we're not going

1870
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 4: to give the uncommitted delegates anything and they're going to

1871
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 4: come home eventually anyway. So are they right? Like? There

1872
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,759
Speaker 4: is that a fair criticism and to that list of demands,

1873
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 4: are you making progress on any of them? Like do

1874
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 4: you think she'll be able to speak? Is there anything

1875
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 4: else that you think you'll be able to do extract?

1876
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,520
Speaker 4: Or is it more an atmospheric changing of the tone?

1877
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think you know part of

1878
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 14: this work that you're doing is you're working under policies

1879
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 14: that you're like their policies. You know they aren't accepting

1880
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 14: right arms and bargo. We know VPRs doesn't support that.

1881
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 14: Right now, all the things that we're fighting against, we

1882
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 14: know that the Democratic Party doesn't necessarily align with those things,

1883
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 14: and that's the purpose of movement work. You know, folks

1884
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 14: say that we might not get anything, but when you

1885
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 14: look at the history of what's happened over the last

1886
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 14: six seven months, people might call it breadcrumbs, people might

1887
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 14: call it progress towards the full loaf of bread. And

1888
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 14: I think what we've seen is one we've been able

1889
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 14: to influence the conversation around a ceasefire, originally where VP

1890
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 14: Harris and President Biden we're never.

1891
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,520
Speaker 8: Discussing even discussing a ceasefire.

1892
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 14: And then two in this most recent conversation, after launching

1893
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 14: the not Another Bomb campaign, two of our leaders leilan

1894
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 14: a best meeting quickly with VP Harris and demanding or

1895
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 14: asking for a meeting to discuss an arms embargo, where

1896
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 14: now you're seeing the headlines talk about an arms embargo.

1897
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 14: To this third option or idea of having this historic panel,

1898
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 14: of being able to discuss and talk about Palestine and

1899
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,839
Speaker 14: human rights, I think, you know, all these things are progress.

1900
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 14: And we've made ourselves very clear that we are ready

1901
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 14: to mobilize and endorse VP Harris as long as there's

1902
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 14: a conversation in relation as it relates to an arms embargo,

1903
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 14: whether it's discussing how we are currently violating you know,

1904
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 14: we're not following international law when it comes to war

1905
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 14: crimes and having the discussion of being able to behold

1906
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 14: and uphold Lahy law to the actual conversation about an

1907
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 14: arms andmbargo, and I think that's the that's the clear

1908
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 14: demand on the table, and that's what we have to

1909
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 14: work towards.

1910
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 8: And that's exactly what we have to focus on.

1911
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Speaker 2: So if there is so you're saying, just a conversation,

1912
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 2: but what if there is no arms in Barbo? I mean,

1913
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 2: if you see, if you get the meeting. Politicians are

1914
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 2: great at this, all of us cover politics for a living.

1915
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 2: They're very good at taking meetings and having rhetoric. But

1916
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 2: one of the things I've heard most from the Uncommitted Movement,

1917
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 2: from Crystal, from many other folks is that we need

1918
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 2: to actually see action. So, I mean, what is the

1919
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 2: movement and you personally going to do if you do

1920
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 2: feel like you're just being bought off with rhetoric, Like

1921
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it comes down to

1922
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:19,719
Speaker 2: a vote and to action.

1923
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,599
Speaker 3: What are you going to do? What is the movement

1924
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 3: going to do?

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01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean I think one of the things that

1926
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 14: I've had to drive home to folks, is in movement

1927
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 14: work you pivot with with reactions. And right now, the

1928
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 14: only thing we know and that we can be accountable

1929
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 14: to and that I could stay with my entire chest,

1930
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 14: is that we are working tirelessly around the clock to

1931
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 14: be able to engage with VP Harris and her team

1932
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 14: because we know what's at stake come November. But we

1933
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 14: also know more importantly what's at stake right now, which

1934
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 14: is saving Palestinian lives. And so for us, it's literally

1935
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 14: taking all of our energy to try to engage as

1936
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,600
Speaker 14: much as possible across the landscape with our base of

1937
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,759
Speaker 14: anti war voters, but also navigate the political the political

1938
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 14: part of this, which is a very tough thing to

1939
01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 14: navigate when you talk about the rhetoric and you want

1940
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 14: to see that change.

1941
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 8: What we've said and what we will continue to.

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01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 14: Say, is we can't go back to our base and say, oh,

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01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,839
Speaker 14: we think VP Harris will be better on Razza policy.

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Speaker 14: What we're saying is you need to turn the page

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Speaker 14: on Krasa policy to save lives and to save our party.

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Speaker 4: Got it, last question, Ryan, Uh, what kind of pressure

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Speaker 4: have you have you or any other uncommitted leaders gotten

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Speaker 4: from the Democratic Party, and because some of the uncommitted

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Speaker 4: folks are party operatives, like they do their work is

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Speaker 4: working within the party. Has there been has there been

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Speaker 4: any direct pressure put on leaders say like get in

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Speaker 4: line or here else?

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Speaker 14: I mean, what I will say is, you know, in

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Speaker 14: that quick momil of interaction between VP Harris and even

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Speaker 14: our two of our leaders from their their mouth directly

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Speaker 14: that she was very genuine. Her reaction was very genuine,

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Speaker 14: very empathetic. You heard President Biden on stage last night

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Speaker 14: talk about why the protesters are doing what they're doing,

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Speaker 14: their hurts, that's them publicly.

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Speaker 4: But then but then there are hatching, there are hatchetmen.

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Speaker 4: Are there any hatchetmen? Who?

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Speaker 3: I mean, nobody's any bag.

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Speaker 14: Nobody has come to us and pressured us to do

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Speaker 14: anything different than what we've been doing. They understand the trauma,

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Speaker 14: the grief, the things that we're all carrying, and they're

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Speaker 14: understanding that we're a movement that's trying to make moves

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Speaker 14: and make demands of the party to save it. And

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Speaker 14: it's really been a lot of conversation back and forth

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Speaker 14: of this is what we're coming forward, this is what

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Speaker 14: we want, this is what we need, and really engaging

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Speaker 14: in thoughtful conversation on both sides to be able to

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Speaker 14: get what we can again ahead of November.

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Speaker 8: But the reality for us.

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Speaker 14: Is we don't want to wait till January to save

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Speaker 14: Palestinian lives. So we're trying to do what we can

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Speaker 14: to influence the Biden Harris administration, but also understand the

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Speaker 14: electoral imperative we have of raising this notion that VP

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Speaker 14: Harris you have to turn the page on the Kraza

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Speaker 14: policy to be able to win voters over in November.

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Speaker 4: Ye, and last thing, you guys were not involved in

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Speaker 4: the disruption last night. Those were other those other delegates.

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Speaker 8: It's not our delegate.

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Speaker 4: Anything interesting coming from uncmmitted delegates or are you guys

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Speaker 4: going to be well behaved on the floor?

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Speaker 14: What's the Yeah, well behaved is the great way to

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Speaker 14: put it. I guess if you will, I think again strategy.

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Speaker 14: Our goal isn't to you know, I think people approach

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Speaker 14: their sense of protests differently, and our goal in being

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Speaker 14: at the DNC convention is to showcase our delegates in

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Speaker 14: a way. We're here to uplift Palestinian human rights and

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Speaker 14: to actually work with the DNC to try to get

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Speaker 14: a Palestinian American leader speak as well as doctor Tanya Hudgehassen.

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Speaker 14: And that's what our delegates are doing. They're going to

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Speaker 14: the elected officials on the floor. They're talking about this issue.

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Speaker 14: They're engaging other delegates to be able to get them

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Speaker 14: to sign the Ceasefire Delegate letter and also to get

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Speaker 14: the petition that we have out there to get Tanya

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Speaker 14: Hudgehssion to speak as well.

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Speaker 6: Are you worried about things getting out of control at all?

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Speaker 6: I mean, as potential tensions build throughout the week, everything

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Speaker 6: seems like it's been very orderly and well managed so far.

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Speaker 14: I mean, what I will say a positive note is

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Speaker 14: somebody came up to one of our uncommitted delegates and

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Speaker 14: ask them to sign on to a ceasefire Delegate letter.

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Speaker 14: And it was actually a Harris delegate who asked our

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Speaker 14: delegate to sign on.

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Speaker 8: And what you're seeing.

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Speaker 14: Is actual Harris delegates that are organizing because, I mean,

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Speaker 14: what we're asking for is nothing crazy.

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Speaker 8: We're asking for to do the morally right.

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Speaker 14: Thing, to stop sending bombs, to save lives for people

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Speaker 14: who are just as real all of us, and people

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Speaker 14: believe that that the democratic you know base believes that,

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Speaker 14: and what we're trying to do is get the Democratic

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Speaker 14: leaders to move with their base and see majority of

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Speaker 14: people want to see fire, majority of people want arms

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Speaker 14: and bargo, and we need to enact it now.

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Speaker 4: Got it?

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for joining us. We really

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Speaker 3: appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: It was fun to be able to talk to actually

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Speaker 2: somebody something you talk about, like Uncommitted Movement. Yeah, why

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Speaker 2: don't tell people, Well, tell people where they can find you,

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Speaker 2: follow you, et cetera.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean we're on Instagram at Uncommitted m v

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Speaker 14: m T. You could search our most recent petitions at

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Speaker 14: not Another bomb dot com and keep up, you know,

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Speaker 14: keep up to date with all those things via our

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Speaker 14: social media.

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Speaker 3: Cool. All right, well, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: We're let's get some questions in here from the from

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Speaker 2: the premium subscribers. Uh, a question for Ryan, do you

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Speaker 2: have a good weed guy out there?

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Speaker 3: My gosh, so.

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Speaker 2: Immediately pivoting to the uh, immediately pivoting to the important things.

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Speaker 3: Is it legal here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Actually, because I am gonna smack it out of your hand.

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Speaker 4: My big my wee guy is big JB. Pritzker, Big JB.

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Speaker 2: Pritz Here the state. The state is the one who

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Speaker 2: is giving you your weed. Okay, all right, here, let's

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Speaker 2: continue here. What do we have.

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Speaker 3: Any questions about about what we just heard? Guys?

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Speaker 2: What do you guys think from our premius subscribers, like,

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Speaker 2: any questions about that movement uncommitted some of their times?

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Speaker 2: Why don't I ask a question Ryan as a proxy?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm hearing a lot of very politician y

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Speaker 2: language now that she's stepped out. You know, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be unkind but like to her face or whatever,

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Speaker 2: but everything I'm hearing is like, well, we want to

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Speaker 2: have a panel about human rights. I'm like, who get

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Speaker 2: First of all, like it's a fucking panel, okay, And

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Speaker 2: the second if you don't get it, like it's pretty

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Speaker 2: much they were like, well, they're still going to support

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. So, I mean, there's not a lot of

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Speaker 2: teeth behind this.

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Speaker 4: The point, the point that she made earlier is very important,

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Speaker 4: where she said, you know, Amala Harris is not going

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Speaker 4: to endorse in arms of bargo, Like she doesn't support it.

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Speaker 4: She's not going to support it, right, that's a fact. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're putting pressure on it, and so then when you

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Speaker 4: come back and say, well it's not going to work,

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Speaker 4: it's like yeah, like they also know it's not going

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Speaker 4: to work. So then, like she said, it becomes this

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Speaker 4: moral question that people are going to decide differently. Okay,

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Speaker 4: well we tried, we put some pressure. We maybe got

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Speaker 4: a fig leaf. Do I then stay out.

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Speaker 3: Of the election and not vote for Harris and let

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Speaker 3: Trump win?

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Speaker 4: Or so yeah, it's you know, and some of the

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Speaker 4: uncommitted organizers talked about it as a way when they

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Speaker 4: would pitch it to Democratic Party officials who were telling them,

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Speaker 4: you're destroying the Democratic Party. How dare you do this?

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Speaker 4: They say, no, we're actually saving the party because all

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Speaker 4: of these people who are voting uncommitted, they weren't even

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Speaker 4: going to show up at all in the primary. You

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Speaker 4: get them to show up in the primary, you then

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Speaker 4: talk to them in a way that is sympathetic. Then

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Speaker 4: they will vote for you in November. So we're actually

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Speaker 4: doing your work for you. If they do that and

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Speaker 4: don't get any policy gains on the ground, and people's

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Speaker 4: bodies just keep getting ripped to shred on a daily basis,

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Speaker 4: then you can be like all right, Well, and what

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Speaker 4: was that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: All right, Maybe one or two more questions here. This

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Speaker 2: one's for you Ryan. Do you any of you act?

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Speaker 3: I guess technically for all of us. Well, I'll throw

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Speaker 3: it to Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Do you actually believe Kamala will do anything about Gaza?

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Speaker 2: My answer is no, I don't think there will be

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Speaker 2: any meaningful difference between her and Joe Biden on Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean so I said yesterday that you know

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Speaker 4: that for the first time, you know, pretty much everybody

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Speaker 4: has an incentive to make a deal, and by everybody

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Speaker 4: I meant kind of Israel more broadly, because it would

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Speaker 4: be able to then stave off the attack from Iran,

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Speaker 4: and it would be able to quiet the North, which

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Speaker 4: is causing enormous pressure on them because they've got thousands

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Speaker 4: and tens of thousands of people dislocated both from the

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Speaker 4: North and the South, blowing up their economy, having all

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Speaker 4: the soldiers, you know, getting pulled out of their economy,

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Speaker 4: not being not having you know, they're they're bringing in

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Speaker 4: all these people from India to try to replace the

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Speaker 4: Palestinians to do the low wage work. So they have

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Speaker 4: an incentive to end this war. The person that doesn't

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Speaker 4: is nan Yahu and that's still the case, right, so

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Speaker 4: his interests diverge.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The US I think still like still has some interests

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Speaker 4: in having Israel be a powerful military force in the region,

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Speaker 4: and is and is not at all willing to use

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Speaker 4: leverage against them. So it doesn't seem at this point

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Speaker 4: like we're necessarily much closer to ceasefire. I'd love to

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Speaker 4: love to be wrong, and I don't think that to

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Speaker 4: your question, changing the name of the president from Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden to Kamala Harris changes the US relation, all right?

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Speaker 2: Last this one's questions for me, Phil Thomas, would Sager

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Speaker 2: become committed to learning alternative time knots?

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Speaker 3: Okay? First of all, Phil, Phil, whoever you are, whoever

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Speaker 3: you are asking for it, I challenge you to a

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Speaker 3: t contest.

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Speaker 2: I can tie four separate, So send me an email

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Speaker 2: and we'll see how many you can do.

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Speaker 3: My bet is that Phil defensive. Phil knows how to.

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Speaker 2: Do it a foreign hand and maybe watch the YouTube

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Speaker 2: video once on a full windsor. I think he does

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Speaker 2: not know how to rock a double four in hand

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Speaker 2: or half windsor a full windsor.

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Speaker 4: I think Phil's got a lot of knots.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Phil, I also tie a bow tie.

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Speaker 2: I tied my own bow tie at my wedding perfectly,

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Speaker 2: perfectly first try.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you guys saw it.

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Speaker 6: By the way, Phil a bow tie, I could tie

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Speaker 6: four different tis.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, whoever Phil is out there? Okay, Sacer,

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Speaker 3: where are you?

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Speaker 4: Boy? Scott? Boy Scott.

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Speaker 3: I was a cub Scott for two years.

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Speaker 4: That was it.

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Speaker 3: What else? Let's see?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Just so, just a reminder to everybody we are

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Speaker 3: So we just spoke with that. Should we do Hillary,

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Speaker 3: Let's go to Hillary. You want to talk about Hillary? Yay, Hillary,

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Hillary if we must so.

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Speaker 2: Crystal did tee up some of that Hillary conversation for us,

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Speaker 2: but we of course also need to react.

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Speaker 3: There were some interesting Hillary moments.

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Speaker 2: She talked a little bit about twenty sixteen, but perhaps

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Speaker 2: the most interesting the times have truly changed moment was

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Speaker 2: when lock him Up Chance erupted throughout Oh yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're about we're about to play Oh no, not your video,

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Speaker 2: not your video of lock him up. We actually have

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Speaker 2: Hillary reacting to lock him up, and she seemingly nods

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01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 2: at it.

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01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 3: Despite the fact that she took a lot of.

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01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 2: She he definitely had a different approach whenever it was

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Speaker 2: lock her up.

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01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 3: That was a major political chance.

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01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and take a listen, mac, let's

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Speaker 2: cue it up. There it is, let's play it.

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01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 15: Donald Trump fell.

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01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 16: Asleep bet his own trial, and when he woke up,

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01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 16: he made his own kind of history, the first person

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01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 16: to run for president with thirty four felony.

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01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 15: Convictions as vice president.

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Speaker 16: As vice president, Pamla sat in the situation room.

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01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 3: There it is.

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01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 2: Remember this Emily from the twenty sixteen Days throw these Yeah,

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01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 2: that was quite a moment of real role reversal there.

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01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 4: She would pull the lever on the electric chair herself.

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Speaker 2: I tell you, was so you can tell how much

2180
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 2: bitterness that this woman still harbors inside of her. And

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01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:15,599
Speaker 2: that was something Crystal said too. She's like, you forget

2182
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 2: how bad they are. When Hillary took the stage, I

2183
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,640
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, she is so bad. The

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01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 2: first time she robotically held her arms up like this.

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01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,560
Speaker 3: It was all of these flashbacks.

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01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 6: Can we talk about how I first, I'm really curious

2187
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 6: for Ryan's take inside the arena when the locker him

2188
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 6: Up chants we're going. But we were all watching in

2189
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 6: the bp frat house and I was like listening to

2190
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 6: the Sarah Burrellas song that she walked out to Brave whatever,

2191
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 6: and I was like, they used to use these kind

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01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,720
Speaker 6: of interchangeably with fight song, and I was like, no way,

2193
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 6: they're not going to do fight song.

2194
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 3: Hillary walked she walked down the stage.

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01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 6: To fight song, which is such a parody and there's

2196
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 6: no self awareness. Like that's the most incredible thing. There's

2197
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 6: no self awareness. I guarantee you Hllary Clinton personally personally

2198
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,640
Speaker 6: requested fight song, absolutely, and nobody wanted to say no

2199
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 6: to her.

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01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 2: She doesn't know it's a meme, no, because nobody every

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01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 2: time I played I literally play that song in my

2202
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 2: car and I cry with laughter.

2203
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 3: It's Hillary's defeat because that's what I will always associated with. Ryan.

2204
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 3: Give us your reaction to the lock him Up chance.

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01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 4: The theme of well, they were intense and where I

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01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 4: was like, they were loud, Yeah, people were oh it

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01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 4: was loud. Yeah, those were not isolated chance. The theme

2208
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 4: of the night was for the people. It was, you know,

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01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 4: heavily focused on abortion rights and Kamala Harris and Hillary

2210
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 4: Clinton was the only one who came out and gave

2211
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:41,719
Speaker 4: just a biographical speech about herself.

2212
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 2: Yes, it was such a good I kept thinking, the

2213
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 2: same thing, is she's talking about herself Chism twenty sixteen,

2214
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 2: chism Ferrara. Actually, with all of the past can I'm

2215
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 2: realizing now both Hillary and Biden frankly throwing it back

2216
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 2: to him, he resurrected a lot of the January sixth talk,

2217
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,640
Speaker 2: a lot of Charlet's shit that nobody cares about. Okay, like,

2218
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 2: you know, it's been years since all of that. And

2219
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 2: it was a reminder actually how uniquely bad both of

2220
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 2: those politicians are and their own unique vulnerability, which is.

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01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 6: Why Bill is on Wednesday, Hilary's on Monday, on Biden

2222
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 6: Night when they're trying to shove people off and move on,

2223
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 6: and then Bill Clinton's on ones and so.

2224
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 4: And so the thematically what she's going at and is

2225
01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 4: talking about, you know, breaking glass ceilings and being trail blazers,

2226
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 4: and she was explicitly talking about that. And if you've noticed.

2227
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris never talks about that ever ever. Ever. Yeah,

2228
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 4: there is, there's message messaging guidance in democratic circles that

2229
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:42,760
Speaker 4: the quote first woman of color line just does not work.

2230
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:48,120
Speaker 4: Like people don't respond to it and or worse, they

2231
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:51,759
Speaker 4: respond to it negatively. So they have adjusted by saying

2232
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 4: here's what we will do. I mean, eventually, it took

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01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 4: them weeks to tell us what they would do.

2234
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 3: Did they ever tell us? Because okay, look she hasn't

2235
01:48:58,400 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 3: told us anything.

2236
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:01,240
Speaker 4: Well, she told us economics policy.

2237
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:03,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she gave a speech, but she didn't give

2238
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 2: an interview. She's answered one question about it.

2239
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 4: But you will not You will not see any of

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01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 4: the trailblazing first woman of color rhetoric coming from the

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01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:14,639
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris.

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01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 6: I think you'll see it pain but don't you think

2243
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 6: you'll see a small tiny like nods to it.

2244
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 4: Targeted, targeted it. So Emily's list will target it at donors.

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01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 4: It works for donors who are already like deeply committed

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01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 4: it and it lets them give another six figures. But

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01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 4: for the public at large, they do not want that

2248
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 4: messaging out there. Hillary Clinton just went all in on it.

2249
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 6: Maybe we should put a butt down on this because

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01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 6: I feel like it will come up briefly one time,

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01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:48,000
Speaker 6: maybe in Kamala Harris's speed, but it won't be a

2252
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:49,839
Speaker 6: feature or it will be the campaign.

2253
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 4: It will be an illusion, like she will allude to

2254
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 4: how what she will say, but.

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Speaker 3: It won't be like Hillary. I mean Hillary is the

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01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 3: way she started off, was like my mother born.

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01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 4: But what she'll say is what every other candidates set

2258
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:07,360
Speaker 4: who comes from anything other than rich background. They will say,

2259
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 4: my rise to the White House shows that anything is

2260
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 4: possible in America, right, Like, she'll do that, but it won't.

2261
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 3: That's Obama mask.

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01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:17,240
Speaker 4: That's fine. Actually, I don't think you're going to hear

2263
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:21,080
Speaker 4: Shirley Chisholm. All right, so we can put Draft Kings

2264
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 4: money down on them.

2265
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,680
Speaker 2: Maybe DraftKings has a no polymarket, that's where you would play.

2266
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 2: That's not an endorsement.

2267
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 6: Don't gamble, folks. It is corrosive to the soul.

2268
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 2: Let's go to the twenty sixteen revelry that Hillary just

2269
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 2: had to get in there, where she not only reminisces

2270
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 2: about her twenty sixteen campaign, she even brags about the

2271
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 2: number of votes she got, which is just so incredible.

2272
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 2: With the bitterness seeping out of her. Let's take a listen, mac,

2273
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 2: Let's cue it up for us, my friend, there it is.

2274
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 16: And then there was twenty sixteen, when it was the

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01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 16: honor of my life except our party's nomination for president.

2276
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 16: And and nearly sixty six million Americans voted for a

2277
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 16: future where there are no ceilings on our dreams.

2278
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 6: And afterwards we refused.

2279
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:38,599
Speaker 16: To give up on America. Millions marched, many ran for office.

2280
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 16: We kept our eyes on the future. Well, my friends,

2281
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 16: the future is here.

2282
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 3: Make one going on that twenty sixty have we got

2283
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 3: millions of votes?

2284
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 7: I have.

2285
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:00,759
Speaker 4: I covered the aftermath of the twenty six teen campaign

2286
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 4: in the Democratic Party extremely closely. It makes up a

2287
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 4: couple chapters and a couple of my books. The Democratic

2288
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:10,759
Speaker 4: Party had nothing to do with the renaissance, had nothing

2289
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 4: to do with the Women's March. They were afraid of

2290
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:19,360
Speaker 4: the Women's March. That was a genuinely bottom up, Facebook fueled, organic,

2291
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 4: suburban women driven event. Then she talks about all these

2292
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 4: people who ran for office. That was organic too. These

2293
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 4: were mostly women, well qualified who had never considered running

2294
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 4: for office before they saw Donald Trump win the White

2295
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 4: House and instantly they were like, well, if he can

2296
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:41,879
Speaker 4: be president, I can run her state House. Well, Congress,

2297
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 4: And they did it, and a bunch of them are

2298
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 4: now senators and members of Congress, and the Democratic Party

2299
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 4: and its establishment had nothing to do with it and

2300
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 4: was even afraid of it.

2301
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 6: So I actually thought this was the most interesting speech

2302
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 6: of the night because this is in the trajectory of

2303
01:52:56,360 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 6: Hillary Clinton's career. You can see she thought, she leaves

2304
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:04,760
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris potentially becoming presidency can be reframed, or can

2305
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 6: reframe her twenty sixteen devastating loss. Right, she doesn't have

2306
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 6: to huff the putin copium anymore. She can actually now

2307
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 6: say what I did was be the foundation that led

2308
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 6: to the first female president. Also being a woman of color, I.

2309
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:22,639
Speaker 4: Can actually offensive because it's just not true.

2310
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 6: Well, and she said that the highest hardest glass ceiling

2311
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:29,360
Speaker 6: is a woman becoming president. That's the implication of her line,

2312
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 6: not a black person becoming president, which Obama did before, Yeah,

2313
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:37,480
Speaker 6: but which I also think is somewhat offensive.

2314
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 4: He beat her and she hated him.

2315
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:41,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, of course, of course, and so now the

2316
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 6: highest hardest glass ceiling. So she has found a way

2317
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:48,200
Speaker 6: in the wake of Biden dropping off the ticket. She

2318
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:50,560
Speaker 6: was so pleased to be there and to have the

2319
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 6: speaking moment because it was this opportunity for her to change,

2320
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 6: to rewrite Hillary Clinton's history in real time. And I

2321
01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:59,880
Speaker 6: think she thinks it's going to work, and maybe it will,

2322
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 6: but she really believes now that the story of twenty

2323
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 6: sixteen isn't going to be the story of a you know,

2324
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:10,400
Speaker 6: sort of fascist, sexist pig defeating the first woman president

2325
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,759
Speaker 6: with help from Vladimir Putin. The story of twenty sixteen

2326
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 6: is going to be this woman paved the way for

2327
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:16,639
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris.

2328
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:20,400
Speaker 2: That's such a sick point because I know it's true, Like, yeah,

2329
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:24,920
Speaker 2: I'm like thinking about that, because I know that will

2330
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 2: how we retcon and then in schools they'll how they'll

2331
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 2: try and teach it if Kamala wins. Is that this

2332
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:34,760
Speaker 2: was the foundation. But I mean, overall, again, the vibe

2333
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:38,720
Speaker 2: from Hillary is just bitterness. This woman is so politically how.

2334
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,920
Speaker 4: Could you be anything but bitter, Like, yeah, look at

2335
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 4: you were. You were guaranteed to win the White House

2336
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 4: and you lost to Donald trumping centers a tiny glass ceiling,

2337
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 4: Uh yes, and you have the rest of your life

2338
01:54:56,920 --> 01:55:01,840
Speaker 4: to live anyway, and and when Biden is being forced out,

2339
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 4: she's sitting by her phone like, awesome, here comes my moment,

2340
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 4: just to come on, come on ring? Why is why

2341
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 4: is my phone not ringing? This is weird? Like I'm

2342
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:15,120
Speaker 4: the one, I've already beaten him. I got more votes

2343
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 4: than him. Why why is my phone not ringing? And

2344
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 4: so even if she could work through her bitterness from

2345
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, more bitterness comes through every single time that

2346
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:26,760
Speaker 4: the phone doesn't ring, and she expects it to absolutely.

2347
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll take one question before we move on. Somebody says,

2348
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 2: I want to see BP after hours with them just chilling,

2349
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 2: a tieless Sager hanging out talking about everything.

2350
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:38,840
Speaker 4: Sleep, What are you talking about?

2351
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 3: A T shirt?

2352
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:40,920
Speaker 6: I saw it, I saw it.

2353
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:42,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're I said, a T shirt.

2354
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:45,840
Speaker 2: I don't know of what you speak and hanging out

2355
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 2: talking about everything, and of course Emily mocking Sager with

2356
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 2: her voices. Somebody in the chat sends a picture of

2357
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 2: the State Department Press secretary and says Sager as press secretary, which.

2358
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 3: Again it looks eventsive. We don't look alike okay, we

2359
01:56:01,160 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't look a lot. We don't look alike.

2360
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 9: I'm on Sager's side. I think this is like maybe

2361
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 9: you like in middle school or something.

2362
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, yes, but are you working out kind

2363
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 4: of and you woke much over there?

2364
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.

2365
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 2: Would you all be trying to willing to try and

2366
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 2: get Hassan on the show at some point?

2367
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 3: So we did actually run into Hassan yesterday.

2368
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:27,440
Speaker 12: Uh.

2369
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if people know this. He is a

2370
01:56:29,480 --> 01:56:31,920
Speaker 3: very tall guy. I keep saying I was shocked by this.

2371
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:33,080
Speaker 6: I was shocked.

2372
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 3: I'm like six to two. He's six five.

2373
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 2: He's got to be a good six five, right, Yeah,

2374
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:38,880
Speaker 2: he's like a head taller than me. I was like, whoa,

2375
01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 2: that's actually quite shocking. It was funny too because he

2376
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:43,240
Speaker 2: was You were like, does the chat no Soger And

2377
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, they know soccer, And I was like, yeah,

2378
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 2: chat hate Sacer. I'm pretty sure. But we tried to

2379
01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 2: get Hassan. He's busy, Yeah, he's he's a little he's

2380
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:53,080
Speaker 2: doing handler too, He's.

2381
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 6: Doing drop site stuff. He's doing drop stuff.

2382
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 4: Well, he was, he was. He was going to use

2383
01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 4: our drop site desk in the arena. But and this

2384
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 4: is an interesting political point, right, the d n C

2385
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 4: gave him his own handler.

2386
01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 3: No it's crazy, guys, and gave him a VIP and

2387
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 3: gave him a sweeter spot than the one that we have.

2388
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 4: Not that we have a sweet spot. We just had

2389
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 4: a normal desk the drop sites.

2390
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2391
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but so they're like, no, no, I don't worry about it.

2392
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:18,480
Speaker 4: We've got him taken care of. And you know he

2393
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 4: trashes democrats. Oh I know, yeah, they don't care.

2394
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 2: Heally had his own little comms girl and was taking

2395
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:26,920
Speaker 2: her around. That's kind of an interesting point. We're going

2396
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:28,680
Speaker 2: to get to that about the DNC kind of being

2397
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:29,200
Speaker 2: a ship show.

2398
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:30,480
Speaker 4: We'd like, we'd like to get him on if we

2399
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:31,000
Speaker 4: can get them.

2400
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:34,240
Speaker 3: We tried, I mean, busy on the stream constantly.

2401
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:38,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, he and there's a lot hard that was

2402
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 4: another he's in California.

2403
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 3: There's a lot of rings.

2404
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:44,440
Speaker 4: You know, we end our show by seven am, like

2405
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 4: West Coast right right, So like that when he wakes up,

2406
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, people would know better.

2407
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:51,680
Speaker 3: People game for twelve hours.

2408
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 2: That ryan more rings on, Yeah, gotta put more rings

2409
01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:57,760
Speaker 2: on to be more so. Anyway, that is the question

2410
01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 2: about get Hassan. We did ask him, but he's busy

2411
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 2: and he's doing his own thing. No, not Hassan Minaj.

2412
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:08,640
Speaker 2: Somebody said, did you mean Hasan Manaj?

2413
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 3: No?

2414
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 2: I mean I could ask. Actually, you know I did

2415
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 2: ask him. People know Hassan and I had beef, but

2416
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 2: we squashed the beef. He invited me, and he did

2417
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:20,120
Speaker 2: say he was willing to come on the show at

2418
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 2: some point. So anyway, we're talking about Hasamanaj here, not

2419
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 2: Hassan Piker. Okay, let's someone goes, you mean Nicki Minaj's brother.

2420
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 2: This is getting live stream. It's fun doing a live

2421
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 2: straight We don't get to do this enough. Let's go

2422
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:40,320
Speaker 2: to the protest block here and let's talk a little

2423
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:43,520
Speaker 2: bit about that. There were a couple of moments. Ryan,

2424
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to rely on you to explain some of this. First,

2425
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 2: let's watch the video here. These are two delegates who

2426
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:52,600
Speaker 2: we met briefly.

2427
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:54,600
Speaker 4: Was it the two of the more than two?

2428
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So there were a couple.

2429
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:59,600
Speaker 2: Of delegates that were in the hall in Chicago who

2430
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:04,160
Speaker 2: actually rually unfurled a banner saying, quote, stop arming Israel.

2431
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:07,440
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing was not just their protest, was

2432
01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 2: their reaction inside the hall to their protest. People were

2433
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 2: very upset and they did their best. Mac, go ahead

2434
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 2: and queue up that video E one. Uh, let's take

2435
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:17,640
Speaker 2: a listen.

2436
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 3: Possibility, possibility break.

2437
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:30,240
Speaker 7: Well, what's in a sentence about heat?

2438
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 1: Was?

2439
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 3: Okay? Tell us about what we do?

2440
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there there are other videos where the show

2441
01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:50,560
Speaker 4: you where you can see the guy kind of like swinging.

2442
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 9: Why don't we play that right now?

2443
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 3: We want to play want to play Ryan?

2444
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 4: It's not my video that I think that's there's another

2445
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 4: one where like he's like and it's so perfect and

2446
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,839
Speaker 4: poetic because it says we love Biden to beat somebody

2447
02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 4: with a pole that says love is there's just something.

2448
02:00:06,360 --> 02:00:06,840
Speaker 3: We have a time.

2449
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:09,240
Speaker 2: Whoever Ryan's video, right, Mac, you want to go on

2450
02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:10,720
Speaker 2: and clue que that up.

2451
02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:12,440
Speaker 4: And we can just we'll just talk. We'll just talk

2452
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 4: over it.

2453
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're the one who filmed this.

2454
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. So so I was right by the Florida delegation,

2455
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 4: which is where this is happening. And you've got the

2456
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:23,600
Speaker 4: guy that you saw in the picture. Who's the protests

2457
02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:28,560
Speaker 4: or it's a delegate from Michigan named Leono Sharon, Jewish delegate,

2458
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:32,080
Speaker 4: and then a Muslim delegate from Florida named it Nadia

2459
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:36,480
Speaker 4: Ahmad uh. And then there was another another delegate from

2460
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:41,880
Speaker 4: Connecticut named Isa Boret who who helped as well. He

2461
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:44,520
Speaker 4: had told me that on Sunday he was trying to

2462
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:46,760
Speaker 4: get into a d NC reception and they found like

2463
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 4: a Palestinian flag in his bag and security swarmed him

2464
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:51,920
Speaker 4: and like made him leave the floor.

2465
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:53,440
Speaker 6: Is there a no flag rule?

2466
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:57,000
Speaker 4: I don't that they are.

2467
02:00:57,240 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 3: They're confiscating Palestinian Yeah, yeah, they would. They booted him

2468
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 3: out with the flag.

2469
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:03,720
Speaker 4: Little do they know he actually was planning the next day.

2470
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 4: It was a little little racial profiling and they got lucky.

2471
02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 4: Souh Naya Ahmad smuggled this entire banner, which Laurence Steiner,

2472
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:16,560
Speaker 4: another Jewish activist from North Carolina helped.

2473
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:17,360
Speaker 3: Is that the date.

2474
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:22,000
Speaker 4: I don't think that different met her. She's you can.

2475
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:23,680
Speaker 4: I wrote about this for a drop site. You guys

2476
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:25,840
Speaker 4: can check that story out. So basically what's going on

2477
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:29,880
Speaker 4: here is initially you saw that kind of miniature violent

2478
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:31,240
Speaker 4: response where they try to rip it out of their

2479
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:33,839
Speaker 4: hands and then they're swinging the little cardboard things at them.

2480
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:38,560
Speaker 4: But the crowd to I'd say, to their credit ish

2481
02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:41,320
Speaker 4: because I think it's also absurd, said no, no, no,

2482
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:43,840
Speaker 4: stops up, stop, de escalate, don't get violent, don't get violent.

2483
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:49,400
Speaker 4: But then they just completely obscured. They they're like everybody

2484
02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:51,880
Speaker 4: signs up, signs up there. I think they're A smarter

2485
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:54,360
Speaker 4: move might have been to just ignore it, actually, because

2486
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:57,240
Speaker 4: the cameras just stayed on Biden the entire time.

2487
02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:00,600
Speaker 3: So then, yeah, look at this guy throwing his sign

2488
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:02,000
Speaker 3: in front of your camp.

2489
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:03,440
Speaker 4: This guy out of your phone.

2490
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:03,800
Speaker 7: This guy.

2491
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:07,760
Speaker 4: He's the former executive director of the Florida Democratic Party.

2492
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:09,240
Speaker 3: I learned this guy.

2493
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:12,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you're a journalist, we are credentialed media. On

2494
02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:13,440
Speaker 2: the floor of the d N.

2495
02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:14,960
Speaker 4: I was, and I was telling me to do that.

2496
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, what are you doing? And towards the end,

2497
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:19,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, look, there's like eight other cameras here. You're

2498
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:21,040
Speaker 4: gonna block all of them. And he's like yes, He's

2499
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:21,760
Speaker 4: like yes, I will.

2500
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is happening? So so I just I was

2501
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:27,680
Speaker 3: just constantly moving around.

2502
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:30,720
Speaker 4: Occasionally I'd be able to like, you know, find somebody

2503
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:33,880
Speaker 4: who could pick him, and and then I'd have like

2504
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:36,960
Speaker 4: a shot, I'll be with you next time, yeah, next time. Yeah,

2505
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:42,360
Speaker 4: I needed a pick, they'll pick and roll or a

2506
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:45,320
Speaker 4: little little Reggie White swim at times. Yeah, So it

2507
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:49,920
Speaker 4: was surreal. And so while I say impressive, I mean

2508
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 4: in the sense that like, uh, the guy had a

2509
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:54,320
Speaker 4: lot of energy like he was he was, he followed

2510
02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:57,440
Speaker 4: me for like ten minutes around there, but also absurd,

2511
02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:01,240
Speaker 4: like yes, you're supposed to be Democrats, like you're not

2512
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:02,000
Speaker 4: acting like demo.

2513
02:03:02,160 --> 02:03:06,000
Speaker 6: Remember this is the democracy Democracy.

2514
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:07,720
Speaker 4: It's the as they talk about at the conventions, the

2515
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:10,480
Speaker 4: oldest political party in the world, and it stands for

2516
02:03:10,520 --> 02:03:15,720
Speaker 4: these these great values. So that kind of clashed. But

2517
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:20,880
Speaker 4: so then Sharon was taken out and I don't know

2518
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:22,840
Speaker 4: if we have any of this from the very end

2519
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:26,440
Speaker 4: of the clip. We might not, but it's in the substack.

2520
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:29,120
Speaker 4: I mean it's in the drop side article on substack, Mac.

2521
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:31,480
Speaker 3: Can we plug dropside please? E two put that up

2522
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:32,120
Speaker 3: there on the screen.

2523
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:36,280
Speaker 4: So what's what the other the other cool part apparently

2524
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:39,280
Speaker 4: the other person who knew about this ahead of time

2525
02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:43,240
Speaker 4: was Amy Goodman. Oh absolute legend. The goat was on

2526
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:46,960
Speaker 4: the scene and you know, so she was there with

2527
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:50,560
Speaker 4: a camera person as well, and so she followed if

2528
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:53,440
Speaker 4: you go to the very end of this video, so

2529
02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:56,120
Speaker 4: there he is. This is this is Sharon. He was

2530
02:03:56,160 --> 02:04:00,280
Speaker 4: not like dragged out or arrested, and he was able

2531
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 4: to give an interview with with press here talking about

2532
02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:08,280
Speaker 4: you know why. You know, he felt that it was

2533
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:11,680
Speaker 4: necessary for him him to do this, and he actually

2534
02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:15,720
Speaker 4: said that he is voting for Kamala Harris. He said

2535
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:17,839
Speaker 4: to other people he did, Yeah he did. Yeah, interesting

2536
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:19,080
Speaker 4: is that Amy?

2537
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah there she is. Yeah, was actually interviewing him. That's interesting.

2538
02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:25,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, So that was the that was the effort

2539
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:29,720
Speaker 4: at disruption. And I think watching you tell me, watching it,

2540
02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:31,000
Speaker 4: you could barely tell anything happened.

2541
02:04:31,200 --> 02:04:34,040
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have not no no watching it from where

2542
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:34,360
Speaker 3: we were.

2543
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:35,200
Speaker 4: No, absolutely didn't.

2544
02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:40,120
Speaker 2: Even the broadcast media basically pretended like it didn't exist.

2545
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:41,720
Speaker 6: And the broadcast didn't pick it up.

2546
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:44,120
Speaker 4: It wasn't the banner said stop arming Israel.

2547
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:46,560
Speaker 6: You could you couldn't hear it. The cameras didn't pan

2548
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:49,240
Speaker 6: to it. Yeah, there was really no unless you were

2549
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:51,520
Speaker 6: on social media and you saw it, you wouldn't have no, no,

2550
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:54,240
Speaker 6: it had happened. The other thing we do have, we

2551
02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:56,400
Speaker 6: can put this was all from inside. We can put

2552
02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:59,280
Speaker 6: the four up on the screen. This is a These

2553
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:03,640
Speaker 6: are some pictures what happened outside the convention, actually even

2554
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:07,160
Speaker 6: outside the security perimeter. This is from actually a fan

2555
02:05:07,240 --> 02:05:09,440
Speaker 6: of the show that I met at the protest in

2556
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:12,880
Speaker 6: Union Park, Dylan Kylie, a photo journalist. Yeah, big shout

2557
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:14,880
Speaker 6: out to Dylan. He put a lot of effort into

2558
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:16,560
Speaker 6: making sure we could get these up on the screen

2559
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:19,240
Speaker 6: and Mackie can just scroll through. But that first one

2560
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:21,560
Speaker 6: that you just saw was important because that was a

2561
02:05:21,640 --> 02:05:25,480
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris. It was a sort of cut out of

2562
02:05:25,480 --> 02:05:28,080
Speaker 6: her head that was beside a net and Yahoo cut

2563
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,520
Speaker 6: out of his head, which when you're talking to some

2564
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:34,160
Speaker 6: of these protesters in Union Park outside the convention, they

2565
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:36,760
Speaker 6: can't get in the security perimeter. These are a lot

2566
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:38,920
Speaker 6: of locals types of people that I talked to, at

2567
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,160
Speaker 6: least a lot of locals, a lot of people who

2568
02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:44,720
Speaker 6: come from neighboring states, Indiana and Michigan. Jewish voices for

2569
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:47,440
Speaker 6: peace were there. There was some Code Pink activists there.

2570
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:50,080
Speaker 6: One of the things I heard is that we talked

2571
02:05:50,120 --> 02:05:52,600
Speaker 6: about this earlier in the show. If Kamala Harris and

2572
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:55,040
Speaker 6: Joe Biden are able to reach a ceasefire, a lot

2573
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:59,240
Speaker 6: of these uncommitted voters might just swing Harris and there's

2574
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:01,240
Speaker 6: you know that would have to be Obviously it's a

2575
02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:04,040
Speaker 6: huge ask. It's a huge ask. It does put some

2576
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:07,880
Speaker 6: pressure on the Democratic Party. And for all to talk

2577
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:10,320
Speaker 6: about nineteen sixty eight, I just have to say, you know,

2578
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:14,360
Speaker 6: expectations of tens of thousands of people. One report I

2579
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:17,440
Speaker 6: saw was close to one hundred thousand expected to descend

2580
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:21,880
Speaker 6: upon Chicago, and so far we've seen sort of smatterings

2581
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:25,000
Speaker 6: of a few thousand. It is not nineteen sixty eight

2582
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:28,120
Speaker 6: here in Chicago at least yet, at least yet.

2583
02:06:28,160 --> 02:06:34,080
Speaker 4: And something else sick is that net Yahoo doesn't necessarily

2584
02:06:34,120 --> 02:06:37,800
Speaker 4: need to agree to a ceasefire to get in good

2585
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:40,360
Speaker 4: with Kamala Harris. What he what he could do if

2586
02:06:40,360 --> 02:06:45,040
Speaker 4: he thinks Harris is going to win and he's trying

2587
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:48,560
Speaker 4: to like position himself for that eventuality, he could just

2588
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Speaker 4: reduce the bombing. And it told me yesterday the Cyprus landing,

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Speaker 4: which is where enormous amount of the AID was moving

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Speaker 4: from originally, has just now been completely shut down. So

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Speaker 4: he has ways of torturing and causing great suffering to

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Speaker 4: the you know, million plus Palestinians in Gaza that don't

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Speaker 4: involve bombing schools. So one possibility if these ceasefire talks

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Speaker 4: fall apart is that cynically they just hold off on

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Speaker 4: the smashing them to pieces for just a few months.

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Speaker 4: And there are some analysts who are following this now

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Speaker 4: who think that that that could be Netnahu's path forward,

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Speaker 4: that he never reaches a ceasefire and just every and

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Speaker 4: but has long lulls where the the overt violence that

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Speaker 4: we see is reduced for weeks or maybe even months

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Speaker 4: at a time, but people are still displaced. Eight is

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Speaker 4: still unable to get in, so people are dying of

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Speaker 4: treatable diseases, Polio's you know, surging, et cetera. But that

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Speaker 4: makes fewer headlines and Democrats might say, okay, cool, that

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Speaker 4: works for us.

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Speaker 6: And several people were arrested last night trying to breach

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Speaker 6: the security perimeter.

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Speaker 3: We're hoping for Jane six moment, just Trama's happening.

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Speaker 6: Defence does look similar. But so there's a gathering I

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Speaker 6: think that's happening at the Israeli consulate in Chicago tonight.

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Speaker 6: Obviously it's possible that when you have a decent amount

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Speaker 6: of protesters, I mean thousands of protesters are still a

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Speaker 6: big number of people, tensions can build throughout the week,

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Speaker 6: so we will see. But one of the things I

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Speaker 6: just wanted to mention here is the sort of logistics

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Speaker 6: that we've panned on behalf of the d n C.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the absolute nightmare that was last night's broadcast,

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Speaker 6: the credentialing, incredible lines for security hours worse than the

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Speaker 6: rn C. All of the RNC had some bad ones

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Speaker 6: on its own Day one. We'll see what happens DNC

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Speaker 6: Day two. Everyone that I talked to who was here

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Speaker 6: to protest had nothing but like positive things to say

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Speaker 6: about how the protests have been handled so far by

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Speaker 6: the city of Chicago. Everyone said they felt safe, felt orderly.

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Speaker 6: So it's kind of an interesting split screen with I

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Speaker 6: don't know if it's easy MAC for you to put

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Speaker 6: up F three, but it's kind of an interesting split

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Speaker 6: screen when you have, for example, reporters saying like, hey,

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Speaker 6: the RNC was way better managed than the DNC, and

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Speaker 6: at the same time they're at least managing these thousands

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Speaker 6: of protesters which did not come to the RNC. There

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Speaker 6: were hundreds of them, I would say protesters, maybe a

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Speaker 6: couple thousand at one point on one of the days.

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Speaker 6: But here at the DNC they're managing these thousands of

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Speaker 6: protesters just fine. And then the actual logistics of the

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Speaker 6: event itself so far, I've really sucked.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, interesting enough, I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's take a couple of last questions here

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Speaker 2: from the chat, and then we will preview the events.

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Speaker 4: While you look for it, well, you look for a question,

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Speaker 4: talk for one minute about NONTC news if something hilarious,

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02:09:50,160 --> 02:09:52,400
Speaker 4: all right, that just came out of the Treasury Department

2643
02:09:52,440 --> 02:09:57,080
Speaker 4: this morning. They sanctioned Michelle Martin Lee of the former president.

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02:09:57,200 --> 02:10:02,800
Speaker 4: We're getting eighty or being a dug trafficker, which everybody

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02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 4: believes is true. This is the guy that Hillary Clinton

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02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:11,440
Speaker 4: installed based completely illegitimately as president of Haiti. He's now

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02:10:11,480 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 4: being sanctioned as a drug trafficker. That's all funny. Even

2648
02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:20,440
Speaker 4: funnier thing. He's a Florida resident, so the US government

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02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:23,520
Speaker 4: believes that he's an international drug trafficker to the point

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Speaker 4: where he needs to be sanctioned.

2651
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:26,839
Speaker 3: But he's an American citizen.

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02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:29,480
Speaker 4: He's not a citizen, but he lives in Florida.

2653
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:31,320
Speaker 3: He's just gonna hang out in Florida, and that's cool.

2654
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:34,800
Speaker 4: That's that's just how we're going to do that. Like

2655
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:38,400
Speaker 4: what what that is so weird? Like you're sanctioned for

2656
02:10:38,480 --> 02:10:42,680
Speaker 4: being a global narco trafficker, but you can just live

2657
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Speaker 4: in the villages or whatever. Oh and by the way,

2658
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:47,840
Speaker 4: there's an election in the villages today. Yeah, the guy

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Speaker 4: that I've covered that I've covered, Orren Miller.

2660
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Speaker 6: Okay, another little bit of non DNC news. Kamala Harrison

2661
02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:57,920
Speaker 6: announced a twenty corporate tax rate yesterday. I guess it's

2662
02:10:57,960 --> 02:10:58,480
Speaker 6: kind of d n C.

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02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:01,920
Speaker 4: What is it now, twenty f it's long.

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02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:04,160
Speaker 6: Trump loaded to like twenty or something closer.

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Speaker 3: It's in the lower twenties. Yeah, this is that's actually.

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Speaker 4: Gonna be a big fight.

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02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:07,680
Speaker 3: That'll be interesting.

2668
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:08,160
Speaker 6: So we'll see.

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02:11:08,240 --> 02:11:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and all those rates are up.

2670
02:11:09,640 --> 02:11:12,000
Speaker 3: Can you do your best Trump impression before her?

2671
02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:13,120
Speaker 9: Impressions are really good?

2672
02:11:13,160 --> 02:11:15,240
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I'm not I'm not prepared.

2673
02:11:16,360 --> 02:11:17,680
Speaker 6: I'm only good in the moment.

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02:11:18,360 --> 02:11:18,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

2675
02:11:20,120 --> 02:11:24,440
Speaker 6: We got a gmrade Gamala. She's nobody ever called her

2676
02:11:24,440 --> 02:11:25,080
Speaker 6: that before I.

2677
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Speaker 4: Did twenty eight percent.

2678
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:28,600
Speaker 3: She wouldn't even do twenty eight percent.

2679
02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:32,640
Speaker 6: Nobody thought that we could never have a comrade Goma.

2680
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:35,320
Speaker 3: Is a nasal quality to it, which is very gutereral too.

2681
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:35,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2682
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:38,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I only started adding that to it because

2683
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:40,560
Speaker 6: I used to do more of like a him after

2684
02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:43,480
Speaker 6: Gillis started. After Gillis started doing it, it is clear

2685
02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:47,400
Speaker 6: that you have that guttural Gamrad Gamala. Nobody ever called

2686
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:47,680
Speaker 6: her that.

2687
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:49,560
Speaker 3: It's about the nazel.

2688
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:52,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's tough, but it's also about the hands, right,

2689
02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:54,280
Speaker 6: like you have to be the hands are key and

2690
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:56,080
Speaker 6: the best way to learn how to do it, Charlie,

2691
02:11:56,280 --> 02:11:57,800
Speaker 6: the best way to learn how to do a Donald

2692
02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:00,480
Speaker 6: Trump impression is to simply watch Charlie Kirk do Charlie

2693
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:01,640
Speaker 6: Kirk impression.

2694
02:12:01,200 --> 02:12:02,880
Speaker 3: Because he has absorbed.

2695
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:07,640
Speaker 6: All the Trumpian a jesters, like my name's Charlie.

2696
02:12:07,920 --> 02:12:10,640
Speaker 3: Okay, what else we got? We're not getting a ton

2697
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:12,040
Speaker 3: of questions here.

2698
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:13,640
Speaker 6: We answered pretty much.

2699
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:17,400
Speaker 3: It's because we've answered everything. That's okay. Well we'll just

2700
02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:19,080
Speaker 3: we'll go ahead and peace out of everybody.

2701
02:12:19,120 --> 02:12:21,760
Speaker 9: So let's go over what who's speaking tonight?

2702
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:21,400
Speaker 1: Right?

2703
02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:22,400
Speaker 3: Predictions?

2704
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:24,600
Speaker 13: I mean, I have a list right here with Samas,

2705
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:29,840
Speaker 13: Doug m Hoff. We have Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.

2706
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:31,920
Speaker 3: Oh, that'll be interesting. Yeah, we'll definitely talk about that tomorrow.

2707
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:36,560
Speaker 13: I've got Illinois Senator Tammy Duckworth, Illinois Governor JB.

2708
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:37,480
Speaker 4: Pritzker.

2709
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:41,720
Speaker 9: We're hearing that Chuck Schumer will speak.

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02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:45,000
Speaker 6: I don't get the Pritzker stuff. Like, I just don't

2711
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:45,520
Speaker 6: think he's.

2712
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,520
Speaker 3: A good he's a normal I mean, he's the governor here, he's.

2713
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:50,040
Speaker 6: Got to speak, I know, but he's a he comes

2714
02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:53,360
Speaker 6: with so much like billionaire baggage. He's not particularly charismatic.

2715
02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:54,600
Speaker 9: He's just he's so big.

2716
02:12:54,680 --> 02:12:57,960
Speaker 3: He's a big He's big big, He's just big. Okay,

2717
02:12:57,960 --> 02:12:58,560
Speaker 3: all right, who else?

2718
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:01,920
Speaker 13: Bama's the the night apparently is capping off with both

2719
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:03,120
Speaker 13: Michelle and Brock.

2720
02:13:03,320 --> 02:13:06,600
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe we'll get a week when they go low

2721
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:10,680
Speaker 3: we go high moment again, that's an doubt doubtful Yeah, yeah.

2722
02:13:10,760 --> 02:13:12,160
Speaker 6: No, never Channing, lock him up.

2723
02:13:12,520 --> 02:13:13,280
Speaker 3: No, that's what I mean.

2724
02:13:13,400 --> 02:13:16,520
Speaker 2: I want to see how she handles that this time around.

2725
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:19,120
Speaker 2: I don't really remember her twenty twenty speech at all.

2726
02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:22,360
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure she did one because of COVID Obama. Look,

2727
02:13:22,440 --> 02:13:24,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he's probably the most beloved Democrat in the

2728
02:13:24,520 --> 02:13:29,320
Speaker 2: entire country, so well, I'm curious to see what he does. Obviously,

2729
02:13:29,320 --> 02:13:32,640
Speaker 2: he's talented generally. The way that he handles Trump is

2730
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:36,720
Speaker 2: definitely a lot more deaf than Biden. Hilary ever, did

2731
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:39,560
Speaker 2: I want to see the message that he tries to push,

2732
02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:41,200
Speaker 2: But I mean, at the same time, he's always been

2733
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:44,960
Speaker 2: terrible transferring his own personal popularity, so that'll be difficult.

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02:13:45,320 --> 02:13:48,360
Speaker 2: It does appear that tonight will be hosted MC by

2735
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:53,000
Speaker 2: Anna Navarro, so everybody get ready to put a bullet

2736
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:53,520
Speaker 2: to your head.

2737
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:54,960
Speaker 3: So that'll be kind of interesting.

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Speaker 6: What else, well, so on that point, yeah, how incredible

2739
02:14:00,320 --> 02:14:03,320
Speaker 6: dumb of them to have on a Navarro MC. It's

2740
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:07,080
Speaker 6: playing fight song. She is the human manifestation of fight song.

2741
02:14:07,640 --> 02:14:12,120
Speaker 6: She is a long time slimy Republican operative basically who

2742
02:14:12,160 --> 02:14:16,280
Speaker 6: when Donald Trump came along, suddenly flipped and became you know,

2743
02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:19,120
Speaker 6: you know the type and became just enemy number one

2744
02:14:19,160 --> 02:14:24,040
Speaker 6: of Donald Trump. Performatively sanctimonious about the threat of Trump,

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02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:27,360
Speaker 6: but in the most boomer possible way on the View

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02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:29,240
Speaker 6: when she guests hosts not even like a full time

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Speaker 6: host of the View. So that is just the lack

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02:14:32,360 --> 02:14:35,200
Speaker 6: of self awareness that it takes to be putting celebrities

2749
02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:37,480
Speaker 6: like on a Navarrow up as your MC is truly

2750
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Speaker 6: a beautiful thing.

2751
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Speaker 2: Okay, So there you go. That's our preview tomorrow. We're

2752
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Speaker 2: gonna be live what time tomorrow later, so.

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Speaker 13: Crystal will be here tomorrow. Ver exc I don't have

2754
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Speaker 13: the full four panel. We'll probably be starting somewhere around

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Speaker 13: like two pm Cententral time, two.

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Speaker 6: I'm shaking.

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Speaker 2: I wonder I need to rewatch this when I'm like

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Speaker 2: more calm and be like hmm, I wonder as well

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it so much, kind of like Pat

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Speaker 3: the producer. It's like Wendy Williams exactly. All right, So

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Speaker 3: I'm loving this.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll try and incorporate it at breaking points, but

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Speaker 2: until then, we will see everybody tomorrow. We love you,

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Speaker 2: who enable all of this. We are going to go

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Speaker 2: down to the DNC and see what kind of chaos

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Speaker 3: So there we go. We'll see you later.