1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host Mark Kenyon. Hey, everybody, 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with the one 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: and only Andy May. Hey, guys, Mark here or a 6 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: quick second jumping in. This is a Tony episode. But 7 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: I gotta apologize to all of you because we made 8 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: a mistake last week. Last week on the podcast, I 9 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: mentioned that we had this sweet new kind of promotion 10 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: over on the Meat Eater store where with every sale 11 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: of the Tethered Elite Phantoms adult, We're gonna give a 12 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: hundred dollar first like discount or gift card. Sorry, it 13 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: was a sweet deal. I was very excited about it, 14 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: but we had a little issue on the back end 15 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: and that sale is not ready to launch yet. Now 16 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: I have it on good authority that we will be 17 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: able to offer that at some point soon ish. I 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: don't want to make any promises, but here's the deal. 19 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I told you that was available. It is 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: not available right now. Sorry for any of you guys 21 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: that went there. Check it out as soon as I 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: can confirm that this is a real thing. Again, I 23 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: will let you know thank you for your understanding and 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: for your patients, and now I will let you get 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: back to Tony's podcast. Thanks. All right, folks, welcome to 26 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you 27 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: by First Late you probably figured out this is not 28 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: the voice of Mark Kenyon. Normally he's off doing something 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: really odd, often with Spencer, who is not coincidentally really odd. 30 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: But let's be honest. This week, Marks on an other vacation, 31 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: fly fishing some beautiful stream in Idaho or somewhere out 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: west so that he can post I don't know, seventy 33 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: seven more pictures of big trout on his Instagram and 34 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: make us all kind of secretly hate him just a 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: little bit more. Not today, since Mark's off having fun 36 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: slinging flies around, I'm kicking off a Rabbits with Antler's 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: month where we dumb down bucks and give you the 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: confidence to kill mature deer no matter where you hunt. 39 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: And there's no one better to talk to about this 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: than Michigander Andy May, who might just be the best 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: damn white tail hunter in the country. Now. I've interviewed 42 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: Andy quite a few times, but I think this was 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: my favorite conversation with him, and he talks about several 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: of the big bucks he's killed and what those deer 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: taught him. But he also breaks down how little time 46 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: he really has to hunt and what that means for 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: his hunting strategies. You know, there's a lot of takeaways 48 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: from this episode. You know. One is that being a 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: strategy generalist is often better than being a specialist is 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: as long as you're someone who's always willing to learn, 51 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: that's gonna take you so far. Uh. The other takeaway 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: from this that's super important, whether you hunt public land 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: or private land, great white Tail State, not so great 54 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: white Tail State, whatever, is learning how to think differently 55 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: about being a deer hunter, think differently than your competition 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: as opposed to just trying to outwork them. That's maybe 57 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: the you know, kind of the undercurrent of this whole episode, 58 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: and it's so good. I think you're really going to 59 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Andy May, Welcome back to the podcast. The 60 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: people listening to this don't know, but we recorded a 61 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: banger podcast yesterday and I screwed up the audio and 62 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: so we're redoing it today and I'm I'm gonna blame 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: Clay Newcome, but for that mistake because he made me 64 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: do the Burgaries podcast and I switched my settings and 65 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: I never do it. And so anyway, I thank you 66 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: for coming back for round two today. It's always a 67 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: pleasure to talk to you. Yeah, no problem, man, Hey, 68 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: stuff happens. Yeah. Well, and I'm an idiot, so that yesterday, 69 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: before we get into the dear thing, I want to 70 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: explain my my day yesterday just quickly. So we did 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: this podcast and as soon as as soon as we 72 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: wrapped up, I went to upload the files for our 73 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: for a editor and I saw that I had screwed 74 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: that up and hadn't switched that one setting, and I 75 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: hate that. I hate wasted your time. I just I 76 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: felt so dumb and like, whatever, what are you gonna do? 77 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: At least it at least it was a buddy, you know. 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: It wasn't like somebody that I didn't really know. And 79 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: I left after that. After figuring that out, I took 80 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: my dogs out to the park to train them. And 81 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the training session, I always throw 82 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: this frisbee just to wear them out. And I threw 83 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: the frisbee and my little pup, she's a fifty pounder 84 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: and She's a burner. I mean, she's so fast. And 85 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: I did one of those throws on a soccer field 86 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: and it's that frisbee is going, going, going, and I'm 87 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: watching her and it was like watching a receiver, you know, 88 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: looking at the ball, not paying attention to the corner 89 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: coming in hot and she ran right into this post, 90 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: like this corner post of a soccer goal, just you know, 91 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: smoked it. I was like, holy sh it, now I'm 92 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: going to the emergency vet. She got up, Randon got 93 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: the frisbee, came back, didn't show. I mean, I was like, 94 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 1: when I saw it happen, I was like, oh God. 95 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, well there's two. And then I 96 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: picked up my little girls, came home and I had 97 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: a I had a time reserve for them to swim 98 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: at the y. So I was gonna go lift and 99 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: they were gonna swim. And we're going to the y. 100 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: And this is like a five minute drive, right. We 101 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: get to this the one stoplight we have to stop at, 102 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: and I see our old neighbor poll in front of us. 103 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: I said, oh, you guys, there's Teagan's dad. And so 104 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,119 Speaker 1: like we're all looking straight ahead and as we watch 105 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 1: him like drive the road ahead of us. This cop 106 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: turns on his cherries and whips a UI and I 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: was like, yes, I wonder if they're pulling him over. 108 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: And so we go up there and there's a doll 109 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: in the ditch of this guy's yard, back broken, scrambling, 110 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: just got it hit. And so like we're going by 111 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: slow because everybody's slowing down, and that cop walks up 112 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: there and pulls out his serve pistol like twenty feet 113 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: from my truck and shoots that dough. Both girls are 114 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: just bawling. Oh my gosh. It was just I was like, 115 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: I don't I didn't feel like I belonged on earth yesterday, 116 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: So I think today is gonna be better. Uh, you're 117 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 1: you're the first guest on this rabbits with Antler's Month 118 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: where we're just like, you know, we did we did 119 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: a science month a couple of months ago. And I 120 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: just want to talk to you and some other just 121 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: white tail killers and kinda again try to demystify white tails. 122 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: I want to talk about, you know, how we kind 123 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: of give them too much credit, and how you think 124 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: about them and how you're thinking about them has evolved over. 125 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: You know, you're hunting career and you know, public land, 126 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: private land, all that stuff. But first, before we get 127 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: into that, can you just tell the audience what it's 128 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: like to be sort of a famous hunter who only 129 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: hunts all the time. It doesn't have a real job. 130 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I wouldn't know what that's like. UM. 131 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: I'm a you know, I think okay, I think I 132 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: can relate well to um, the average hunter out there 133 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: in regards to you know, I don't get paid for this. 134 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: This isn't my living. UM, I just hunt. I just 135 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: love to hunt, and that's all it is for me, 136 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: and frankly kind of all I really care for it 137 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: to be. UM, you know, limited time family man. UM. 138 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: I work. I work a career in a school district, 139 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: working with special education. I'm an occupational therapist. So that's 140 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: my full time job. Um. You know, so I'm on 141 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: a school schedule. And then I have a second job 142 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: that I work kind of to make ends meet, and 143 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: I do the same type of work, but I do 144 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: it with UM adults with disabilities, So I kind of 145 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: do that on the side, and that one is a 146 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: little more flexible with my time. There's a certain caseload 147 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: that I have to manage and I can kind of 148 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: do it, you know, kind of piece it in, you know, 149 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: when it fits with my schedule. So aside from that, um, 150 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, I have a daughter that is you know, 151 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: very much involved with with sports and stuff, and most 152 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: of the listeners have have heard this about me, but uh, 153 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, I that is like just my number one priority. 154 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time getting her places. She's 155 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: in a lot of travel sports, school sports. So my 156 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: fall is really booked up with a lot of that. 157 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: But in between, you know, obviously, uh you know, we're 158 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: we're hunters, and um we need to we need to 159 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: also you know, fuel ourselves and and kind of go 160 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: after that passion a little bit. So it's it's a balance. 161 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: But UM, I think I I'm a good guy to 162 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: relate to most probably most of our listeners out there 163 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: that are working hard at their job, um, trying to 164 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: be good husbands, trying to be good fathers, and still 165 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: trying to find time to get their hunting in and 166 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: be effective. Um, you know, you don't necessarily have to 167 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: be uh you know, for National Hunter or do this 168 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: full time to to have some levels of success. So 169 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: That's that's pretty much the run down there. I think 170 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: I think it's an important lesson there because I think 171 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: it's very easy to see somebody like you and you know, 172 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: like like if the listeners follow you on social media, 173 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: they'll see your fall distilled down to you know, five 174 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: kill photos of giant critters and you know, some time 175 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: out in the field and just assume that's just what 176 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: you're doing the whole time. But I know, you know, 177 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: you and I talked quite a bit, and I know 178 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: your time in the fall is super limited, and that's 179 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: that's one of the things. You know, a lot of 180 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: times when we talk, you're like, oh, I just I 181 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: just did a quick scouting session here, or I'm running 182 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: into here doing something. And I think the lesson is 183 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: it's so valuable because you're you figured out, especially with 184 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: your daughter's schedule, and you know, I'm going through that 185 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: with my twin ten year olds. You know, it's freaking 186 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: every activity gymnastics and basketball and softball and whatever, and 187 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 1: you you realize, like, okay, that's priority number one. I 188 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: don't care how much you love dear their priority number 189 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: two or three or whatever. They're down the list, But 190 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: you still make time to do those things, but you 191 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: piece it out and you're like very targeted. And I 192 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: know that that's part of what I want to talk 193 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: to you today. I know you've talked to that, talked 194 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: about that a whole bunch. But you are really efficient, 195 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: Like you you might be the most efficient hunter out there. 196 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: And it's because you're just managing a full life but 197 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: still have that desire to get in some extra states 198 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: and and get as much done you know, on on 199 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: standard and your satellite whatever as you can. But it's like, 200 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, you're talking just ballparking for me. On average, 201 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: Like how many days a year you actually hunting? Now? Yeah, 202 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: it varies. Um this this past year I white tail hunted, 203 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: um like actual like in a tree or are actively hunting? 204 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: Eleven days? Um? You know I spent a few days 205 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: out west. Um, I went out there, Um you know, 206 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: dear hunting. I had four days and then I went 207 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: on a really uh disaster of an elk hunt. Um. 208 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: I was there five days and only got one day 209 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: of hunting because our vehicle broke down and I spent 210 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: four days trying to trying to get trying to get 211 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: that fixed up so I could get back to the airport. So, um, 212 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, I had a few more days there, but 213 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: but eleven is is very low for me. UM. I 214 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: would say, you know, during that COVID year was probably 215 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: the most I've hunted since before children, and I was 216 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: I was probably around you know. So I say, I 217 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: kind of fluctuate somewhere in that um to thirty day 218 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: range of actual hunting. But UM, you know, some of 219 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: that is my choice to UM, you know, I could 220 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: hunt a little more than that. I couldn't hunt much 221 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: more than that, but I could hunt more. But what 222 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: I've kind of chosen to do are kind of evolved 223 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: into doing is just spending way more time scouting than 224 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: I do actually hunting, and um it has translated into 225 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: more success with less time in the field of actually hunting. UM. 226 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: So I guess like it has evolved more into, like, UM, 227 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: a series or a schedule of information gathering and trying 228 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: to look for specific things and then moving in when 229 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: the time is right, when the situation was right, when 230 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: the deer you know, is located in the conditions and 231 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: everything line up. UM. So, my my hunts are much 232 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: more targeted. So I scout year round. UM, I spend 233 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: a big portion of it scouting, um, just when the 234 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: season ends. Kinda I do a little bit when they're 235 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: still snow, and then I kind of back off. I 236 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: let that melt, and then I do quite a bit 237 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: of postseason scouting, um, and then that kind of slows 238 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: down for a while, and then I pick it up 239 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: again right around now, kind of that mid to late 240 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: summertime leading right up into the season. I kind of 241 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: ramp it up right before the opener, and then once 242 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: the season starts. To me, I don't really switch gears. 243 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: I still am scouting. I'm constantly searching for a buck 244 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: to chase. I'm constantly trying to get on hot sign 245 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: um fine new areas, find new books to go after, 246 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: and UM. I do more of that in season scouting 247 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: during the season than actual hunting. But what that's done, 248 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: it's made my actual hunts uh much like you said, 249 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: much more targeted, much more um high percentage. And I've 250 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,359 Speaker 1: just I've just gotten better at managing that type of 251 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: schedule of scratching and clawing for time to scout and 252 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:45,479 Speaker 1: get out there. Um. Often I'm going before work blasting, UM. 253 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm a lunch hour going and and make it a 254 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: loop and looking for some you know, fresh sign in 255 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: an area on a swamp edge, or I'm checking trail cameras, 256 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm rocking a food source edge and looking for big tracks, 257 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: just anything to get me started down a path of 258 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: another mature deer, because that's been the biggest challenge around 259 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: home here where I hunt in kind of southern Michigan 260 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: and northern Ohio is just finding a deer to target, 261 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: one that one that I want to spend time doing. 262 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: And then when I do find that information, then it's 263 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: go time. Then it's time to put time in the 264 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: tree or make that calculated move. But I don't really 265 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: go and just hunt anymore. I spend time gathering information 266 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: and then hunt at very specific times when I feel 267 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: like I got the information I need. Yeah, Well, and 268 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: your point there about you know, slipping out during lunch 269 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: hour or you know, before work, after work whatever that's 270 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, and I know you work out a lot. 271 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: We talked about this the last time, so we don't 272 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: need to get into it. But I always feel, you know, people, 273 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: it would be easy for a lot of people to 274 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: say I don't have the time, Andy May has to 275 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: do this. And when you look at that and go, well, 276 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: do you have a half hour tomorrow or an hour 277 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: tomorrow or do you have look at your week, do 278 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: you have two or three hours this week? And it's 279 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: the same thing with working out. You know, people be like, oh, 280 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't I don't have time to run. It's like, 281 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like you can get a pretty good 282 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: run in and in the time it takes to watch 283 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: the Simpsons rerun, right like, you know, I mean, it 284 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: really isn't if you're piecing things out that way. It's 285 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: really not like you need tons and tons of time 286 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: at any given day or any given week. Now it's 287 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: different when the season opens and you might take your 288 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: vacation during the rut or whatever. But all this setup 289 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: stuff you're talking about, it's a cumulative thing and it's 290 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: not just you know, I think a lot of people 291 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: would listen this and think it's a you know, that's 292 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: a public land only strategy, and it's not. It's a 293 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: it's wherever you hunt, you know. I mean, if you 294 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: had like a bang in place where you're releasing and 295 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: nobody was going in there, like, you could probably play 296 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: the scouting game a little different and be a little 297 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: less impact. But for most people listening to this and 298 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: for you and I like, I know, you can't really 299 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: get away with that, like you got to figure out 300 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: what's going on, and it is a year round thing. 301 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: But it's not just a lump sum commitment. It's just 302 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: over time. Yeah. Um, you know, we we've talked about 303 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: a little bit in the past about um, you know 304 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: some people that that maybe do have a little more 305 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: time or maybe they devote all of their time like 306 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: during the season, um, and they do they have more 307 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: of like a volume hunting approach where um, you know, 308 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: they're going out and they're hunting pretty much every day 309 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: that they have available, um, and sitting in a tree 310 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: and hunting that way hoping um, you know, hoping the 311 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: buck they're after or or a good deer will make 312 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: a mistake and walk by them. And I'm sure, like 313 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, some of those guys, I don't want to 314 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, play them in one category. But some of 315 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: those guys are really good at scouting and figuring things 316 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: out too, but they adopt that more time in the 317 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: stand approach will equal my one or two chances at 318 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: a good deer throughout the season. And that's a way 319 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: to do it. And that's the way I used to 320 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: do it. Um before my daughter, That's absolutely the way 321 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: I used to do it. Especially early on. Um, I 322 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: would average you know sixty you know, sixty plus days 323 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, hunting out of a tree or on the ground, 324 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: and um, you know I would manage you know, one, two, three, 325 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: three nice books a year. Um. But it was mostly 326 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: due to just pure stubbornness, persistence, and making a lot 327 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: of mistakes and then just having that one thing go 328 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: right at one time. And UM, I think once I 329 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: had my my child, Um, you know, it really switched 330 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: priorities for me as far as like where I wanted 331 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: to devote the bulk of my time and where I 332 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: wanted to be present. Um. But what I would it 333 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: ended up doing. It just started dispersing my hunting time 334 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: throughout the entire year. And what I kind of just 335 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: evolved into like, Okay, you know, I'm not gonna be 336 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: able to hunt sixty days a year and do this. 337 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: So when I do hunt, I gotta make it count. 338 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: I gotta be in the game more often instead of 339 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: just going out there and hunting and observing and you know, 340 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: and oh, you know, maybe observe something one out of 341 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: fifteen days and then I move in and then I'm 342 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: in the game. No, I got to gather information constantly, 343 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: every little spare minute minute. I have to keep myself 344 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: in the game to get on, you know, a good 345 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: deer in my home ground. And UM, that's just kind 346 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: of what it's evolved into and and kind of unintentionally, 347 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: all right, it was intentional, but unintentionally it made me, 348 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: like you said, much more efficient with my time. And 349 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: I've I've enjoyed it more. You know. I'm my hunts 350 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: that I do go on. When I decided to go 351 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: in after a deer or into a location that I've 352 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: been staying out of that I know is heating up. 353 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: My optimism is high, my confidence is high. I'm much 354 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: more attentive. I feel more stealthy, um, as opposed to 355 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: like hunting sixty days or I might get a little sloppy, 356 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: a little burnout. I don't have confidence of feeling guilty 357 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: about being out there because I've been out there for 358 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and weeks. You know, I don't have 359 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: that as much because I'm really picking and choosing. Um 360 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: when I go so like last year, UM, I'll give 361 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: you a kind of a quick overview of the last 362 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: two years. Last year, I felt incredibly dialed in and um, 363 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: you know, I was my scouting. I was turning up 364 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: things you know that were that were valuable, and my 365 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: sits were very effective. Um. When I went in after 366 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: a deer, you know it was it was, you know, 367 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: a couple of sis, and I would you know, I 368 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: would get him killed. Um. My out of states hunt went. Um, 369 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: they went very smooth, and I was able to locate 370 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: good deer quickly and get them killed. Um. I just 371 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: felt like I was firing on all cylinders. I was 372 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: feeling good and confident. Well, I don't always feel that way, 373 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: you know. The year prior to that, I was having trouble, 374 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: trouble turning up even a three year old buck here 375 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: in Michigan. And I had the most cameras I've ever 376 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: had out and I had a dozen or more cameras. 377 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: I was covering four different counties. I was glass and 378 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: using cameras, scouting on foot looking for sign I could 379 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: not find a buck over a hunter fifteen inches. And my, 380 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, I was hunting more because I had the 381 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: COVID time off, and I found myself just like starting 382 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: to fall into that trap of like kind of relying 383 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: on cameras more. I felt like I needed to cast 384 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: my net wider. But I was really trying to do 385 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: a combination of like you know, of of of scouting 386 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: and finding that sign, glassing and the trail cameras, and 387 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: you know, I just couldn't get anything going. But you know, 388 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: it was just those It was just those few times 389 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: throughout the season where boom, you know, something came together 390 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: and I got it done. And those two those two 391 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: seasons were vastly different. Um, but I killed the same 392 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: amount of bucks. I killed four that year. I killed 393 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: four last year. So I mean it was the same 394 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: type of scenario. But UM, you know, it doesn't always, 395 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: even for someone like me that's been at this a 396 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: long time and it's been using this kind of style 397 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: of you know scouting, you know, four or five times 398 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: more than I actually on, UM, it still isn't always. 399 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: It appears maybe some people think it appears like it's 400 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: automatic and it's easy. It's not. It's not for me. UM, 401 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: And I have years where I struggle, And UM, I 402 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: mean that year, there was a couple of times throughout 403 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: the year I was like thinking to myself like, how 404 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: have I ever even killed a deer? Like? How have 405 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: I even put an arrow in one of these animals ever? 406 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: Because I feel like so dumb, like nothing is working. 407 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: All my instincts aren't aren't paying off. Um, nothing that 408 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: I think that I'm anticipating is happening. I can't find 409 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: a good deer, Like what the hell? And then it 410 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: just happens, you know, Boom, you find that info, Boom, 411 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: it's hot sign. You get in there and you get 412 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: it done. So you know, it varies year to year. 413 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 1: It's certainly it's certainly not so smooth every year. But 414 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: that's my strategy and that's my tactic, and that's kind 415 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: of what it's evolved to over the years because I 416 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: do prioritize family, um, and I will always I will 417 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: always do that, but I make sure to get my 418 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: little adventures in out of state. Those are important to me. 419 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: I just make them quick and make them short. And 420 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, by doing that, that kind of changes my 421 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: mentality on those out of state trips a little bit. 422 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm sure we'll get into that later. But 423 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: that's about it. Man. That's kind of how I how 424 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: I think about things. You know that's it's interesting that 425 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: when you when you kind of highlight the way that 426 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: you felt in the last two seasons, because that's something 427 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: we don't really talk about very much, and I don't 428 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: think you see it portrayed that often, like in the 429 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: in outdoor media. But I had kind of you know, 430 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years I've had I've had 431 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: years where like, man, it was like day one or 432 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: two and I'm done, good dear big deer, and you know, 433 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: you string together like four or five of them, and 434 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: you're like, I just everywhere I go, it's like they're 435 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: just they're coming down the trail. And then you like, 436 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: I had a year last year. And this is probably 437 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: because I was I spent most of my time taking 438 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: the girls out and I had to save a couple 439 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: of tags for filming for one week in November. So 440 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: I was like it was an odd year for me anyway. 441 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: But I just felt like that like you're talking about 442 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: where I'm like, I don't feel like I'm in the rhythm, 443 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, like I killed some deer and I killed 444 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: some big ones, and you know, like it ended up 445 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: looking like a good season, it didn't feel like a 446 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: good season. It felt like I was just off, and 447 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: I think it was because you know, having to save 448 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: my Minnesota, my Wisconsin tags. I wasn't in the woods 449 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: just doing what you're talking about, like just kind of 450 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 1: staying in the rhythm and seeing what's what's going on 451 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: this week and next week and not you know, you know, 452 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: kind of being like outside of it and then just 453 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: dipping in for a big hunt. Was it didn't feel 454 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: as good to me. I felt like I was just 455 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: not in the freaking groove the way you need to be. 456 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: And I think I think that happens to a lot 457 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: of people, and you know, and I get it right, 458 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Like if you're if if you're a weekend warrior because 459 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: of your job and your family and stuff, that five 460 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: days in between when you're not hunting, that's tough because 461 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on, Like there's a lot changing 462 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: in the woods and hard mass, soft mass, all that stuff, 463 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, like cold fronts, hot weather. All this stuff 464 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: is is affecting the deer and you're like outside of it, 465 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: and you can you can kind of speculate and go, 466 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: maybe they're doing this or maybe they're doing that, But 467 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: til you get in there and look around you just 468 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: don't really know, and so you're always coming back like that. 469 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: Was one of the things that really surprised me when 470 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: I when we had kids is I went from hunting 471 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: anytime I want, I mean thirty days in a row sometimes, 472 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: like you know, no reason not to too, man, I've 473 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: got these little girls five days a week and I'm 474 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: I went from life luxury to weekend warrior. And it 475 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: was like a culture shock to me because I was 476 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: missing stuff all the time, and it took like a recalibration, 477 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: like you're talking about where you're like, I just gotta 478 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: I gotta be there as much as possible to mitigate 479 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: this feeling because it's not good for you. Yeah yeah, 480 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: and that and that you said it, you nailed it 481 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: right there, is that you get out of the rhythm. 482 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: And you know the same thing with me, Like you 483 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: pull me out of that rhythm. You you pull me 484 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: out of the woods where I'm you know, dipping in 485 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: two different areas checking cameras, glass and getting in looking 486 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: for sign reading the sign monitoring. You know how the 487 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: deer are changing to different you know, food sources and whatnot. 488 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: You take me out of that. You don't give me 489 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: that then I'm not efficient. You know, Then then you're 490 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: just guessing. But if you give me little windows of 491 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: that where I can dip in, and that's what I've 492 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: That's what I've done for myself. I I make sure 493 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: I get those little windows in before work, you know, 494 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: during work, on on a on a drive, you know, 495 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: I at my lunch hour, right after work, um, or 496 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, on a on an actual hunt where I'm 497 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: just like, Okay, you know, I gotta get something going. 498 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: I need to make a loop through here and really 499 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: figure out. I need to get things stirred up in here, 500 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: get some information so I know what's going on. You 501 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: get you start giving me pieces of that. That's when 502 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm a most dangerous. UM. That's when I can start 503 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: to figure things out. In my percentage of my sets 504 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: go way up. But yeah, for the weekend warrior guy, 505 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, and and maybe those are some of the 506 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: guys that are like, man, how do you do it 507 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: when you only have you know, two days to hunt? Well, 508 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't be nearly as effective if you 509 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: only gave me two days to hunt and no time 510 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: to scout. Um. You know, I I've I've done that more, um, 511 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: out of state. But what another thing you guys, guys 512 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: got to remember when I go out of state. UM, 513 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: I feel this is my opinion. UM, I've hunted seventeen 514 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: different states, so I feel like I can accurately and 515 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: honestly answer this question for myself. But the most difficult state, 516 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: the most difficult situation and scenario I've ever hunted in, 517 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: is right where I live. UM. And it's the the 518 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: lack of mature dear, so we have a severe lack 519 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: of older age class dear. It's the number of people, 520 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: and it's the segmented land that's very small, so you 521 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: don't have room to maneuver. That's what I've hunted my 522 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: whole life. I've killed, Um, besides my first two years 523 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: of hunting, I've killed a mature year in Michigan every 524 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 1: single year that I've haunted at least one. UM. So 525 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: it's something I've took a lot of pride in. It's 526 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: been my training ground. It's what I've experienced, it's what 527 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: I know, it's what i've um the skills that I 528 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 1: whatever skills I have obtained, have been a result of 529 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: hunting in this sort of scenario. And I'm not saying 530 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: it's the most difficult anywhere. It's just the most difficult. 531 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: I've haunted, um, and I've haunted some other hard places 532 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: as well and also get a ton of pressure, but 533 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: nothing quite like this. So when I do travel out 534 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: of state, for me one, usually I'm going to an 535 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: area that is better hunting, less pressure, more box, better 536 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: age structure. So I'm I'm transitioning from something that's very 537 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: difficult for me to something that's still difficult, but not 538 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: as difficult. So, UM, it might seem a little far 539 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: fetched for some guys, but I I want to preface that, 540 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: UM by saying, like you know, I've I've hunted in 541 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: some pretty difficult stians and then I'm going to areas 542 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: where things are a little it's a little better situation 543 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: for me. And I've done that so often. I've been 544 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: traveling and hunting for almost twenty five years now, and UM, 545 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: you know I've I've never other than a couple of 546 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: Western hunts, um, a high country meal deer hunt where 547 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: I gave myself ten days in the back country, and 548 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: then one elk hunt where I gave myself six days. 549 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: Every hunt I've been on has been less than that 550 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: and usually usually there four days or less. And it's 551 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 1: it's usually because work is very unflexible. I work at 552 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: a school. I don't get vacation time, so I get 553 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: the weekends. Um. I do have a ton of accumulated 554 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: sick time. But you know, you can't call in sick 555 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: for five straight days because they started asking questions. But 556 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, you call in sick, you know, on a 557 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: Friday and the Monday maybe once a year. You know, 558 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: there's your four days. Um you know, so I kind 559 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: of I'm real strategic when I might do that, or 560 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: I get on you know, get onto deer. It's like, okay, 561 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: I need to be out there tonight in the morning 562 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. Maybe I call in sick. I use it 563 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: more for that. Um So. But anyway, when I what 564 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: I've done is is I haven't been able to stretch 565 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: those long out of state trips um to where you 566 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: would really you know, be able to get there and 567 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: kind of get settled and get a feel for everything. 568 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: So it's tainted. It's changed my whole mental approach on 569 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: how I tackle those. I immediately and very very aggressive. 570 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: I immediately dive into, um the areas that look good 571 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: to me and I have. I have no fear of 572 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: of bumping deer. I want to get in, figure out 573 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: what I need to figure out, find the sign if 574 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: it's there, bump into deer. Um, that's not a negative 575 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: thing to me, Like that's a positive thing because if 576 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: I can do that, I know where some deer are. Um. 577 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: You know, if it's a situation where I'm more of 578 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: an open country situation, I'm gonna be you probably up 579 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: on some sort of uh master vantage point and glassing 580 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: and gathering information and try to do that as quickly 581 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: as possible and then moving in for a very aggressive, 582 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, very aggressive hunts. So I'm I'm I'm much 583 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: more aggressive because I'm on a time constraint and because 584 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: I don't have the information, so I need to get 585 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: the information as soon as possible, even if that means 586 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: bumping some bucks and bumping into some deer. But by 587 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: doing that, UM, I wasn't always great at it and efficient. 588 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean there's been some out of state hunts for 589 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: sure where I went home empty handed, especially early on 590 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: um you know, but I kind of like it's kind 591 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: of like there's a a fire that's lit under your butt, right, 592 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: That's like Okay, I need to I need to find 593 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: something quickly. I need to get into some hot sign quickly. 594 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: I need to bump into a good buck, get eyes 595 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: on a good buck, glass of good buck um quickly 596 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,239 Speaker 1: so that I have a strike or two to go 597 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: after him. And and when you've done that for twenty 598 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: five years and you've you've failed at it, and you've 599 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: tried things and you make mistakes, you just start to 600 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: get good at it and you start to get real 601 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: comfortable in that kind of low time frame, high pressure 602 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: situation and UM, you know, it's just a lot of 603 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: experience UM over time, a lot of instincts that have 604 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: built up over time, and a lot of confidence that 605 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: you can kind of go into these other states in 606 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: the areas that you haven't been into and get on 607 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: a good book. And I'm not saying, you know, I'm 608 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: going and killing you know, st deer that are six 609 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: years old everywhere I go. I mean, I'm not That's 610 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: not the case. You know, those deer happened occasionally, But 611 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: like this type of hunting and this type of style 612 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: that I do isn't really suited for the um. You know, 613 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: those those really unique high scoring deer, these oldest deer, 614 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: because a lot of times the trick with those is 615 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: just locating them, and that often takes time and building 616 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: some history with a deer and really getting that deer 617 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: at his tendencies and and all that dialed in. Most 618 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: of the time, I'm looking for a good mature buck 619 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: or a big rack book or you know, a good 620 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: pope and young sized caliber buck or bigger in most 621 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: cases and in some states, I'm more picky than others. 622 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: But you know that this kind of strategy and style 623 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: lends into more of that more of that kind of 624 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: adventurous type hunting, throw into yourself into a new, unfamiliar 625 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: situation and try to get it done quickly. So that's 626 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: just kind of that's just kind of what I've done. 627 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: And if I didn't do that, if I'm like, oh, 628 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's not worth me driving fifteen hours to 629 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: Nebraska or you know, for nine hours to Tennessee, it's 630 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: not worth it because I only have three days to hunt. 631 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: If I if I thought like that, I would never go. 632 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: So I always justified it myself. It's like, well, if 633 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: I do three days this year and I do three 634 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: days next year, that's there's my week. You know, and 635 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: it what it morphed into is just like boom, you 636 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: get there. You got limited time, Like, how are you 637 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: gonna get it done? Man? You've gotta get in there. 638 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: You gotta mix it up. You've gotta get that encounter. 639 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: You've gotta get that sighting. And I've gotten to the 640 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: point now where it's like if I can get if 641 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: if I can find a buck to give me a 642 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: little bit, then he's in trouble. You know. If I 643 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: go there and I spend three days and I never 644 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: get eyes on anything, you know, I come home empty handed. 645 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: But if you give you a little bit, I get 646 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: a sighting, I get a glimmer of time, I get 647 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: a track, I get some hot sign. I find a 648 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: group of does. And it's during the rut. It's in 649 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: a good area. You know. I like my chances. And 650 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: it's just a confidence thing that's built over the years. 651 00:33:46,280 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: But it wasn't always there earlier you said, you know, 652 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: if I bump a buck, that's great, Like I want 653 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: to see him. I want I want to know he 654 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: was there like that. That And what that reminds me 655 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: of is, you know, we we talked this message all 656 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: the time, and you hear this from a lot of 657 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: people that you just say, have to outwork everybody all 658 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: the time. You know, it's like a popular Western thing. 659 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: It crept into the the public land white tail space. 660 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: But when you're talking white tails, you know a lot 661 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: of times you just need to outthink people. And you know, 662 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: like when a lot of people you know why I 663 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: say that is a lot of people would look at 664 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: that go if I bumped a buck, I'd be pissed. 665 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: Like if I'm walking through the woods and I look 666 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: up and he gets out of his bed and takes off, 667 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: that sucks because he's gone and he's never coming back. 668 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: And when you do the kind of hunts that you're 669 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: talking about, and and I've done a bunch of them too, 670 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: you get like very comfortable with what people think are mistakes, 671 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: right like, because you make them all the freaking time. 672 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: You just you're going to and and by the nature 673 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: of those hunts, you're more cavalier than the average hunter 674 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: probably is because you're not saving anything, Like you're not 675 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: you're not sitting there going well, I'm gonna be you know, 676 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: I got seven days off on November seven through the 677 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: fourteenth or whatever, So I mean I don't want to 678 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: go into this betting area. You're like, I just want 679 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: I want something to work off of now, and I 680 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: will risk some stuff to find that because if I 681 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: do find it, it's a huge benefit. And you're not 682 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: looking at that, so you're thinking differently than probably a 683 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: lot of people are about this stuff. Yeah, I mean, 684 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: the utmost priority is just finding a book that I 685 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: want to go after, and the only way to do 686 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: that is to observe it, um, you know, from a 687 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 1: vantage point or an observation or something to get eyes 688 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: on him doing something, which would be my strategy more 689 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: than like a an open country scenario. Um, if it's 690 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: more of a cover type setting, I'm diving in and 691 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to find three things. I'm trying to find 692 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: hot sign, which is great. I can work with that. 693 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: That's That's that's key. Um, I'm trying to get eyes 694 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: on a book, you know. So I'm just kind of 695 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: what I often do in those scenarios is I, you know, 696 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: I'll have my my saddle and platform and everything with me, 697 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: and I slipped through the cover and I still hunt 698 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: with my bow. And what I'm doing is I'm hunting 699 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: and I'm moving slow, and I'm moving with the wind, 700 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: and I'm just moving with the woods, and I'm constantly scanning. 701 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm watching where I step, and I'm looking for sign, 702 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking for deer. I'm looking up ahead. Um. And 703 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: sometimes I get eyes on a buck like that, or 704 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: like you said, I bump a buck and because I'm 705 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: moving slow and because I'm moving with the wind, you know, 706 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: to me, that's not that's still a good thing, because 707 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: now boom, I got one located. And that's the utmost 708 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: priority is just getting one located. If I don't get 709 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: one located, I go home empty handed. If I get 710 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: one located, by any means, I'm in the game, know, Um. 711 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: And then and then often you know, we we think 712 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: that you know, and in some cases, in some situations, Yeah, 713 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: some types of train you bump a deer and they 714 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: can go a long ways. You think, like fat flat 715 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 1: egg country where you know it's a half mile from 716 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: one wood lot to the next. Yeah, they run a 717 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: half mile to the next wood lot often, especially if 718 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: the crops are down. But like in a hill country setting, Um, 719 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: I've had bucks. You know, you bump them off one 720 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 1: ridge and they go down and you know the ravine 721 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: and they're up you know, they go and they get 722 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: on the next ridge over and they start resuming, you know, 723 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: their normal behavior. They feel comfortable up there and they're 724 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: not that far like or you know in a in 725 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: a like a western plane setting. You know, you bump 726 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: a deer and I've literally you know, been able up 727 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: high and you could see them, and they go into 728 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: the next patch of cover. Um, So they don't always 729 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: you know, are they going to a patch of cover 730 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: that you can see and now you know where they're at, 731 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: and now you're set up for you know that that 732 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: next evening's hunt or the next morning or whatever. So 733 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: it's not a negative to bump a deer. I mean, um, 734 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't really want to have a deer wind me. Um. 735 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: But that's why you can when you're That's why I 736 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: take that approach of like kind of still hunting and 737 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: still scouting and slipping through the cover and I'm quiet 738 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: and I'm playing the wind in my favor and kind 739 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: of working my way into the wind or into a 740 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: cross wind, just for that reason. Um. And then if 741 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: it's a rut hunt, um. You know Kentucky, Iowa, Um, 742 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: you know Ohio, you know where it gets a little 743 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: more you know, a little more timbered. Yeah, Like if 744 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: if I bump into a group of does you know, 745 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: that might lead me to a good spot, that might 746 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: lead me to a good buck. Because a lot of 747 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: those cases, especially when you get into some like lower 748 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: deer densities, Like that's my strategy, Like I need to 749 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: find deer. I need to get on deer and usually 750 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 1: because there's a decent number of bucks and a good 751 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: age structure. If you can find those little pockets of dose, um, 752 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 1: you know, that could get that could turn your hunt 753 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: around in in an instant. Um. You know, I think 754 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: about like, um, some of the areas I've hunted in 755 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: like Kentucky in Ohio and even some of the spots 756 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: that I've hunted like in Iowa, Indiana, you know, the 757 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: deer densities were lower, but there was good age structure. 758 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: And you know, I have many many times like studied 759 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: um and cyber scouted like a topo map and an 760 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: aerial map, and I find these good terrain funnels that 761 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: just like just textbook you know, Like one of the 762 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: things I look for is like a ridge system that 763 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: has a lot of UH features to it. So I 764 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: like ridge systems that have a lot of betting points, 765 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: a lot of bowls, benches, saddles, just a lot that 766 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: should hold a lot of deer. And then I look 767 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: for another one that's around there, and then I like 768 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: to see how they connect through maybe like a saddle 769 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: or a bench system or a big bowl that wraps 770 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: around and conne to the other one that has those 771 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: same features. And you know, you look on that and 772 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: you're like, man, if I could get there, that's the 773 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,959 Speaker 1: connection between all these ridge systems in the area, that's 774 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: going to be the spot for the rut. And I've 775 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: went to some of these spots in these lower deer 776 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: density areas and it's like you sit there for two 777 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: or three days and you don't see a single deer, 778 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: And so it doesn't always pan out um, especially in 779 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: those low deer density areas. So my approach then is 780 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: as I get down and I do exactly what I 781 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: was just talking about. But I'm just trying to find deer. 782 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: And usually if it's the right time of year, it's 783 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: in those first two weeks of November. You know, you 784 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: start bumping into deer. The good bucks are there. You know, 785 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: there's usually a good buck in the area with a 786 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: dough and there's some satellite bucks around, and yeah, you 787 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,959 Speaker 1: might need to bump into a few pods of deer. 788 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: But um that that tactic has led to success on 789 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: a short term hunt, just moving around, slipping around. Ideally, 790 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: you like to get eyes on them first, but if 791 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: you bump into some deer, you kind of see where 792 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: they go. You know, if there's a good buck with them, 793 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: you're you're in the game there. So it's a lot 794 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: of different strategy. It's a lot of different style and 795 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: you and I talked about this yesterday a little bit. 796 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: It's it's being versatile, um, you know, having a lot 797 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: of different tactics and having the confidence to two different things. Um. 798 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: I've never pigeon holed myself into like one tactic like 799 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: I hunt, you know, I focus on like primary scrapes, 800 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: you know during the rut, or I'm a bed hunter, 801 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: or I like to hunt, you know, a funnel between 802 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: two dough betting areas during the rut, and I live 803 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: and die by that strategy. There's guys out there that 804 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: do that and they're super um consistent and really um successful. 805 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: But I've adopted more of an approach of I like 806 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: to try to do many different tactics in many different 807 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: types of rain during different times of the year. And 808 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: I think what that's done for me is maybe I'm 809 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 1: not like as masterful as some of these other guys 810 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: at a specific tactic, but I've become good and confident 811 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: at just about anything, um, you know, any situation that's 812 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: thrown at me, and I'm not afraid to try some 813 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: things that are out of the box. Um, try some 814 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: things when the conditions seem not ideal for deer movement. 815 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: Like every set of conditions to me, it just offers 816 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: you some sort of different strategy. Um. So it's it's 817 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: like a confidence thing there. And and being a versatile, 818 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: well rounded hunter. That's always been something that I've strived 819 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,919 Speaker 1: for and I've wanted to try to become like that 820 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: is my ultimate goal. My ultimate goal is not being successful. 821 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 1: My ultimate goal is just trying to become in a 822 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: better hunter and learning new things from other guys and 823 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: trying new things and just becoming a better woodsman and 824 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: a better well rounded hunter. And then that has led 825 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: to success over the years and a lot of different 826 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: types of areas and terrain. I think, you know, the specialists, 827 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: you know, the bed hunters, or you know somebody who 828 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: might be really good at you know, spotting, stocking out 829 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: in the sandhills in Nebraska or something like. They get 830 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 1: a lot of love because it's cool. Like if you're 831 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: from different regions and you hunt differently, that that looks cool. 832 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: But the goal of being like a high level generalist 833 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: with your strategies, I think is the best one for 834 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: most people, because you know, like when you and this 835 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: is gonna sound like a kind of a public land thing, 836 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 1: but it's really across the board wherever you hunt, whatever 837 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: type of land you hunt is you know how often 838 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: it is if you go in and you find that 839 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: banging sign so often, especially if you're on pressure deer, 840 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be a place that doesn't lend itself 841 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: that well to just like I'm gonna get it right 842 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: up in that tree and I'm twenty yards down w 843 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: into all these scrapes and everything. It's perfect. Like you're 844 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: always making concessions like now I gotta set up on 845 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: the ground, or now I gotta know, saddle up and 846 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be six ft up in a tree, hide 847 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: and behind it or something like that. To make it 848 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: work because it seems like, especially if you find a 849 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: like a concentration where there's some bucks really using it. 850 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: It's so often like not that dreamy kind of turkey 851 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: hunting woods that you'd expect where you could like like 852 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: or another way to think about it. Probably a lot 853 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: of people who listen to this podcast never even did this. 854 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: But you know, like remember when climbing stands were really hot. 855 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: Everybody was making them right. Everybody had a climbing stand, 856 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: and you know, for some situations they were great, But 857 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: if you threw one of those on your back and 858 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: walked into the woods. I I did this all the time. 859 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: I'd find a place I wanted to hunt, and I'm like, 860 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: I don't have a tree, so now I'm like backing 861 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: off of where I wanted to hunt, so I can 862 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: hunt for a tree instead. And it's part of the 863 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: reason why they just like, I mean, they're almost not 864 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 1: even in the conversation anymore because we have such better options. 865 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 1: But that was like a specialist thing when you need 866 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: when you needed just a generalist way to hunt those areas. 867 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: And I think I think a lot of people look 868 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: at that on like a private land and spot if 869 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: you have your place you've always hunted and go, well, 870 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: I can go in August and hang stands and I 871 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: don't need to do that. It's like, yeah, maybe maybe, 872 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 1: but maybe you hand a you know, a place where 873 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: a lot of other people are in there. Maybe you're 874 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: not having the success you want. And if you opened 875 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: up your aperture a little bit and said, you know, yeah, 876 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: I'll preset some stands and some you know, entrance routes 877 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but you keep that saddle handy, 878 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: and you keep the ability to sit on the ground 879 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: whether you're gilly up or however you do it. Now 880 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: you're pretty freaking lethal because you're not going to run 881 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: into a situation like a spot on a spot that 882 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 1: you can't hunt probably and that's important, right Yeah, And 883 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: that that makes me think about a buck. Um, I'll 884 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: make it quick. It's a cool It's a cool story though, 885 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: because it it took some creative thinking, and I think 886 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: I think creative thinking is is is really good to 887 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: have as a hunter. Um. You know, we we watch 888 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: these TV shows where you know it's it's plant the 889 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: food plot and you know, stay out and this is 890 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: the strategy or you know, we listened to you know, 891 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: podcasts with some of these really successful high level hunters, 892 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: and they got a really dialed in strategy and I 893 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: do that. I eat that stuff up and I love 894 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: to learn from guys that are better at things than me. 895 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: But sometimes getting creative and kind of forging your own 896 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 1: way and and figuring things out to make you a 897 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: more well rounded hunter. It just makes you more versatile, 898 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: and it it allows you to go just about anywhere 899 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: and be effective and any type of situation, any type 900 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 1: of conditions, there's always something okay, you know what, this 901 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 1: is an ideal for for for good movements. So but 902 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 1: it's super windy, it's noisy, it's perfect time to still hunt, 903 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna still slip through this betting area, you know, 904 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,240 Speaker 1: with my bow and kind of move with the wind, 905 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: you know. So every type of situation and condition kind 906 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: of opens the door for for some way to kind 907 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: of be effective. But this this this particular hunt I 908 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: want to tell you about. Um, it's a really really 909 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: cool area in Michigan gets a ton of pressure. But 910 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: there's this this creek bottom that kind of winds through 911 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: Egg Country and the creek itself is only about I 912 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: don't know, ten fift ft wide, so it's not a 913 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 1: real big creek. Um, But on each side of that 914 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: creek is a bunch of like marsh grass and red 915 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: ocere dogwood and um, there's some cotton woods and stuff 916 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: kind of sprinkled in through there. But it's just really 917 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,280 Speaker 1: really good bedding cover all through that. And it's wide. 918 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: You know, there are some parts where the marsh is 919 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: very wide and then there's other parts where it kind 920 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: of necks down. Well, I was hunting this part um 921 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: where it necks down a little bit, so it kind 922 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,359 Speaker 1: of funnels movement down, but not really tight. Um. There 923 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: just wasn't a good tree to get in like where 924 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: you really needed to be where a lot of the 925 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: deer kind of cruise through and stuff during the rut. 926 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: And I'll preface to this, this area is is awesome. 927 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: During the rut, like early season, there's very rare, you know, 928 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: many mature deer in their good bucks. It's it's it's 929 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: like a dough factory and a young buck factory and 930 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 1: there's a lot of deer in there. But from mid 931 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: October you can start getting some two year olds, occasional 932 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: three year olds and nose and around and by late 933 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 1: October through you know, through those first two three weeks 934 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: in November, it can be really good, um, just because 935 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: there's so many doughs in there. But I found this 936 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: this um cotton wood tree and it sets up on 937 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 1: you know, right where that kind of next down. It's 938 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: just perfect, or so I thought. So I hunted that 939 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I've learned enough about the area 940 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: to stay out of there until kind of those you know, 941 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: the pre rut starts kicking in and then slip in. 942 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: Let the doughs be in there, let them do their thing. 943 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: I'd hunted it a lot of years and just to 944 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: no avail, like early season and kind of mid October, 945 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: but it heated up, so I knew it's one of 946 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: those spots. So you've got a time it right, and 947 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: if you do that, you're gonna have a better chance. 948 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: But I sat in this tree seven times and every time, 949 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, there's bucks crewising bucks that i'd be happy 950 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: to shoot, and they're just out into the creek bottomore 951 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: and um, you know, just out of reach for a bow, 952 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 1: and there was nothing out there for me to get in. 953 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,760 Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of bushy trees and red brush 954 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,479 Speaker 1: and and a real tall marsh grass and the tree 955 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: I was able to get in it was awesome for 956 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: a gun, but I was trying to get him with 957 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,359 Speaker 1: a bow and it just wasn't in the spot. So 958 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: I didn't tag one out there that year. So after um, 959 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: after the season ended, I went out there and I 960 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 1: scouted and I kind of walked out to where like 961 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: all this traffic seemed to filter through, so that's like 962 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: seventy yard area. I was like, I gottaus somehow hunt here. 963 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: But I didn't like a ground set up because it 964 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: was just so tall, the able to require a lot 965 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,799 Speaker 1: of like little lanes to cut, and you know, I 966 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: just didn't want to go through all that trouble, and 967 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,719 Speaker 1: I just didn't think it would be super effective. Like 968 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to try to get elevated. So I started 969 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: looking around and there was these these twelve ft bushy trees. 970 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,399 Speaker 1: I'm not sure kind they were, but you know, they're 971 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: kind of like oval shaped bushy trees. And I'm looking 972 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,360 Speaker 1: and I'm like trying to think. I was like, god, 973 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's not big enough to get a stand 974 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: in or even a saddle. I was like, but I 975 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,799 Speaker 1: was like, I think if I cut that out and 976 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: get on some sort of like step ladder or something like, 977 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: I could tuck right into one of those trees. So 978 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,919 Speaker 1: what I did was I took our um. I took 979 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,400 Speaker 1: our old Christmas tree. Instead of throwing it out, I 980 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: drug it out there, and I cut out this bushy tree, 981 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, about ten ft up um and I stuffed 982 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,319 Speaker 1: the Christmas tree up there upside down so that kind of, 983 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, the needles kind of will stay a little longer. 984 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: And I stuffed it into that tree to give it 985 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,280 Speaker 1: like a blob, like a profile that looks like something's 986 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,359 Speaker 1: up there. And I did that just to kind of 987 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 1: create um in case the deer kind of caught on 988 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,399 Speaker 1: and like what is that up there, so that when 989 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: they would get used to it. And then I cut 990 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 1: a little like hole for that tree to be in. 991 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,359 Speaker 1: And then I cleared out a spot at the base 992 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: of that tree, and I put one of those like 993 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: aluminum step ladders that on a fold down there have 994 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,480 Speaker 1: like three steps with the black you know, the black steps, 995 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 1: and I took that in there. So by me standing 996 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,799 Speaker 1: on that top ladder, I lined right up perfectly with 997 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: that Christmas tree and I just like tucked right into 998 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: that bush. Well, I ended up I left that out 999 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: there all year and I ended up um hunting that 1000 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 1: during the rut the following year, and it was like 1001 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: my second or third sit and I arrowed a really 1002 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: nice Michigan nine point good mature, dear heavy, And uh, 1003 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: it was so cool, man, because it was just that 1004 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,919 Speaker 1: creative thinking thinking that got me into the right place. Um. 1005 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,399 Speaker 1: And if I was just kind of like standard had 1006 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,440 Speaker 1: to be in a tree, you know, I would have 1007 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: I would have sat all season and did what I 1008 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: did the year before and watched everything out in front 1009 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: of me and probably just tried like rattling and calling 1010 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: and all this stuff that that is really ineffective here. 1011 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: So you know, just by being a little creative, having 1012 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: some creative thinking and trying that approach, you know, it 1013 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: got me a kill there. So I thought that was 1014 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 1: a cool story, kind of fit with what we were 1015 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, it's it is cool, And it's such 1016 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: a good lesson because it's so easy to sort of 1017 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 1: get locked into like I'm a saddle guy and I 1018 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: have to do it, or I'm a this guy or whatever, 1019 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 1: and just you just think about like when I think about, 1020 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know the last twenty bucks I 1021 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 1: shot on public land, probably like you know of them 1022 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 1: happened in a way where you're just like tucked into, uh, 1023 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,919 Speaker 1: like the first two rows of a cornfield, or you're, 1024 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, like the first the first big buck I 1025 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 1: ever killed on public land was a was a buck 1026 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: in North Dakota that was crossing, uh this is this 1027 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: one specific crossing on the river and he was going 1028 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: by a cottonwood tree and I was like, I'm just 1029 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: gonna go down to that cotton wodrow. I'm gonna get 1030 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,719 Speaker 1: in There'm gonna shoo him at twenty yards is gonna 1031 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 1: be over. And I walked up to that cottonwood tree 1032 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,319 Speaker 1: to to set up in it, and it was like 1033 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: eight times too big to fit my stands track, you know, 1034 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I had that perspective of 1035 00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: sitting up there glass and then I walked up to it. 1036 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no way, And I ended up just 1037 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,480 Speaker 1: sitting behind the tree because I was like, this is 1038 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,919 Speaker 1: where I gotta be. And I guess deer can't see 1039 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,000 Speaker 1: through trees. And I killed that buck as he walked 1040 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,959 Speaker 1: by and when when that stuff happens, you just think, 1041 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,239 Speaker 1: like you know, you have this made up in your 1042 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: mind how this is gonna go, or you know, like 1043 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go into this spot, or I'm gonna go 1044 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,919 Speaker 1: on this public land hunt somewhere or this first hunt 1045 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: with my buddies and I'm gonna set up here or 1046 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,280 Speaker 1: do this especially from a lot of your east scouting, 1047 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,839 Speaker 1: and then you get in you go, this needs me 1048 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: to think about it differently now, like what what I 1049 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: thought about what this was gonna be is not it. 1050 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 1: So you can either kind of just like be stubborn 1051 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 1: and just like I'm going to figure out a way 1052 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: to be in a saddle and I'm gonna get as 1053 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 1: close as I can or whatever I want to do, 1054 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,359 Speaker 1: or you're gonna do something like you're talking about, which 1055 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: is totally outside the box but puts you right where 1056 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 1: you need to and kind of like your example, they're 1057 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,440 Speaker 1: killing that buck with that little step ladder. It's it's 1058 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 1: like a great example of like how we give dear 1059 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: too much credit. Like when you're when you're around them 1060 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,080 Speaker 1: in that situation you're talking about on that creep at 1061 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 1: them and they're rutting and going crazy. They're they're not 1062 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,680 Speaker 1: that smart, even in a state like Michigan with a 1063 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: ton of pressure, even you know, like if you've got 1064 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,359 Speaker 1: the wind right and you can hide yourself a little bit, 1065 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 1: and they're they're used to whatever you're doing, Like you 1066 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,960 Speaker 1: have so many advantages. And I think when you do 1067 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,920 Speaker 1: something like that and it works, you go, wow, like 1068 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,239 Speaker 1: maybe maybe you know, and I'm not saying undersell them, 1069 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,279 Speaker 1: you know, give them the credit, but I think we 1070 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 1: give them so much credit sometimes that a lot of 1071 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,640 Speaker 1: people would never try that or try risking something like that, 1072 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,920 Speaker 1: and you know, like when you do it, sometimes it 1073 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,720 Speaker 1: freaking works or and and even if you hadn't killed 1074 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: a buck there, you'd learned a bunch just from your encounters. 1075 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 1: That's so important. Yeah, Well, my buddy Jesse Coots says 1076 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,959 Speaker 1: it best. It's like, you know, dear, even with cheer bucks, 1077 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 1: they're not smart. We are smart. They're not smart. They 1078 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 1: have really dialed in instincts to stay alive, um instincts 1079 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: to breed. And while I don't I do think, you know, 1080 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: maybe we give mature dear a little too much credit 1081 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,239 Speaker 1: sometimes I do believe that you do have to think 1082 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,839 Speaker 1: about them a little differently than you know, your dough, 1083 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,959 Speaker 1: your your your yearling bucks. They do in a lot 1084 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 1: of cases behave differently. They move a little more cautiously, 1085 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 1: they live a little more back in the cover where 1086 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:28,279 Speaker 1: they have more of a site advantage, a wind advantage, um, 1087 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,839 Speaker 1: a hearing advantage. So you need to think about them 1088 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 1: a little differently. But um, you know, they're they're we 1089 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: do give them a little too much credit. Like if 1090 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,719 Speaker 1: you can do that and you could learn about them 1091 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,880 Speaker 1: and their in their behaviors and where they like to 1092 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,759 Speaker 1: be and when they like to move and how they 1093 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,160 Speaker 1: like to move, then it's not that difficult that a 1094 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,959 Speaker 1: lot of times, the most difficult thing is just finding one, 1095 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 1: you know. Um uh, that's always the most challenging thing 1096 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,160 Speaker 1: for me, is just finding a mature dear. It's not 1097 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,440 Speaker 1: getting an arrow in the mature deary, it's I'm not 1098 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,319 Speaker 1: saying it's easy, but yeah, some sometimes we make it 1099 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,759 Speaker 1: out to be this huge feat um when you know, 1100 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,960 Speaker 1: it is a difficult thing, and you definitely need to 1101 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,799 Speaker 1: be a savvy hunter and you definitely need to think 1102 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,920 Speaker 1: about things differently, But um, you know, they're they're still 1103 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: just an animal and they're still trying to survive, and 1104 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,279 Speaker 1: they still have instincts and behaviors that are you know, 1105 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,759 Speaker 1: they vary from dear to dear a little bit, but 1106 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 1: they're pretty standard. And once you start to learn those, 1107 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: and you learn how to approach those and how to uh, 1108 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of those, then the blueprint is 1109 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:44,759 Speaker 1: fairly simple. But applying that, you know, implementing that can 1110 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,799 Speaker 1: sometimes be difficult. UM. If guys aren't willing to you know, 1111 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,840 Speaker 1: put in the time, put in the work, put in 1112 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,000 Speaker 1: the patients, um, be willing to learn, be willing to 1113 00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:02,400 Speaker 1: try different things. Um. I I always stress hunters, you know, 1114 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 1: especially you know, when they're starting out to um, to 1115 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,560 Speaker 1: favor more of an aggressive approach. And the reason I 1116 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: say that is because I think by pushing the limits 1117 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: and being aggressive, what it does is it puts you 1118 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 1: on a fast track through a lot of mistakes. And 1119 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: if you can do that, if you can, you know, 1120 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,680 Speaker 1: make those aggressive moves and try to push in and 1121 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 1: you're you know, maybe I should push in a little more, 1122 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I should hold back now, push in a little more, 1123 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, and then set up or pushing a little 1124 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,959 Speaker 1: more and occasionally bump that deer because by doing that, 1125 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: you're making these mistakes and your your instincts. If you 1126 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: think about it and you ask why and what can 1127 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,160 Speaker 1: I do different? What was the mistake I made? Your 1128 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 1: instincts are starting to kick in and they start recalibrating. 1129 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 1: You know, over time, you know, you start to recall 1130 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,880 Speaker 1: these hunts that went bad because I did this, This 1131 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: went well because I did that. Okay, I'm I'm in 1132 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 1: the same situation. I remember back five years when I 1133 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: did that, or that mature buck did this. You know, 1134 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 1: you start having these experiences because you're more aggressive. You're 1135 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,680 Speaker 1: throwing yourself into the game. You're throwing yourself into the fire, 1136 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: and you've gotta learn quick and you have that approach 1137 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: and that mental uh that that mental game of like 1138 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,920 Speaker 1: trying to learn and trying to analyze your mistakes and 1139 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: trying to eliminate them or improve on them. You start 1140 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,520 Speaker 1: building those instincts and you start improving quicker. As appros 1141 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,680 Speaker 1: to you know, being more of a cautious hunter that's 1142 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,520 Speaker 1: afraid to bump anything. You know, I don't want to 1143 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,840 Speaker 1: get to that too close to that because that's the 1144 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,240 Speaker 1: sanctuary and I want him to feel safe. Well, if 1145 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: you're always on the outside, you're not getting as many 1146 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,920 Speaker 1: of those encounters, you're not making as many of those mistakes, 1147 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: you're not learning as quickly. So by by having that 1148 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,800 Speaker 1: more aggressive approach, two things happen. You learn more quicker, 1149 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,160 Speaker 1: and you start to get better with that aggressive approach, 1150 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 1: and that aggressive appro when it's timed right, when the 1151 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 1: timing is right, when everything is is in your favor 1152 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: most of it, and it's time to go that aggressive 1153 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,080 Speaker 1: the approach is what is what really kills those big bucks. 1154 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,240 Speaker 1: So you know, I would, I would, you know, give 1155 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,760 Speaker 1: someone that is in a little different situation. You know, 1156 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,280 Speaker 1: maybe you have, you know, a three acre farm and 1157 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: you're managing it and you're you and your your son 1158 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,920 Speaker 1: are the only one on there and you're creating a 1159 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,760 Speaker 1: betting habitat and some food sources, and you want to 1160 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 1: stretch out the whole season of enjoyment. And you know, 1161 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,919 Speaker 1: you've got the big book that's that's been on there 1162 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,440 Speaker 1: for four or five years now, and he's mature, and 1163 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 1: that's the one you want to target. You know, I might, 1164 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,280 Speaker 1: I might or I definitely would probably recommend more of 1165 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,440 Speaker 1: an outside in approach where you can, you know, hunt 1166 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,680 Speaker 1: the fringes and play the wind and and be a 1167 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,760 Speaker 1: ghost and let that deer make a mistake. Because it's 1168 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,880 Speaker 1: in a lower pressure setting, they're gonna move more. They're 1169 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: not getting that human and or actions, so they're gonna 1170 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,640 Speaker 1: move more, they're gonna feel more comfortable. I would take 1171 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,000 Speaker 1: more of an approach like that in that type of situation, 1172 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 1: but it's still good to have that aggressive mindset when 1173 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,480 Speaker 1: it's when it's time to dive in. Um So, I 1174 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 1: think it kind of goes both ways in that scenario, 1175 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,720 Speaker 1: but I do I do always recommend, you know, be 1176 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: more aggressive. Man, get in there and mix it up. 1177 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Stop being afraid that you're gonna bump this deer and 1178 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: never see him again. Like, get in there and get 1179 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 1: some encounters with them, because you're gonna get better at it. 1180 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna start capitalizing more and you're gonna learn more, 1181 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,760 Speaker 1: and that's gonna benefit you five years down the road. 1182 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,920 Speaker 1: You're gonna be that much better. Ten years down the road, 1183 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna be twice the hunter you were. You know, 1184 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 1: you're talking five years down the road of of doing that, 1185 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,360 Speaker 1: being aggressive, learning trial and error, developing those instincts. All 1186 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: of a sudden dude, you're a killer out there. You know, 1187 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,000 Speaker 1: you've got the woodsmanship, You've got the confidence, you've got 1188 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,200 Speaker 1: the ability to go into any situation you feel like, 1189 01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, all right, I could do this, I could 1190 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,200 Speaker 1: figure this out. I've I've experienced this dozens of times. 1191 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,000 Speaker 1: I know where they like to bet, I know where 1192 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,880 Speaker 1: they like to travel, I know the conditions that they 1193 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: like to move in. More I feel comfortable slipping in 1194 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 1: through here with the wind and with my bow, still 1195 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: hunting and maybe getting eyes on that book, or maybe 1196 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,200 Speaker 1: coming across fresh sign are coming to that hot funnel 1197 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,400 Speaker 1: where you know, you bumped into a couple of group 1198 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 1: of does and there's a good train funnel with some 1199 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,080 Speaker 1: some beat down tracks and a couple of fresh rubs 1200 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,560 Speaker 1: on it, and it's November five. It's like, you know, 1201 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're you're more comfortable in that 1202 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 1: situation because you've been doing it for years and years. 1203 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,720 Speaker 1: It's a long term play, it's a long term development. 1204 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's the the approach and what I've 1205 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,280 Speaker 1: kind of evolved into um as a hunter. And it 1206 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,480 Speaker 1: might be a little more difficult for me to be like, 1207 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,200 Speaker 1: oh Andy, come to you know, Mark Jury's farm and 1208 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,720 Speaker 1: kill you know Mr two twenty. Like, I don't know 1209 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 1: that I would be that great at that. You know, um, 1210 01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,760 Speaker 1: i'd probably see him or you know, I figure out 1211 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,680 Speaker 1: where better then I want to go in and get 1212 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,040 Speaker 1: them killed that day. You know. That's more of my approach, um, 1213 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 1: and it may not be the best approach always in 1214 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 1: that type of setting. So this is just what I do, 1215 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,960 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a it's an accumulation of hunting 1216 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,120 Speaker 1: a pressured area in Michigan where my chances are few 1217 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,160 Speaker 1: and far between, and then and then traveling to these 1218 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,080 Speaker 1: other states with limited time frame, and I gotta get 1219 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:37,200 Speaker 1: it done in a short time frame. When you when 1220 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,680 Speaker 1: you say, because people are gonna listen to this and 1221 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna go I don't want to get aggressive because 1222 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,360 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what to do there. But 1223 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,200 Speaker 1: what you're also saying there is to not do what 1224 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,640 Speaker 1: other people are doing. And so like when you think about, 1225 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:51,800 Speaker 1: I know you've seen this a ton. When I when 1226 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,880 Speaker 1: I walk around, let's say I'm scouting public land down 1227 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,680 Speaker 1: in Iowa, I can I can look on the aerial 1228 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,960 Speaker 1: photos and I can just about call my shots where 1229 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to see stands like you can look and 1230 01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,240 Speaker 1: just know where they're going to be. And that's because 1231 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 1: people are sitting up on logging roads and they're setting 1232 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 1: up on you know, the little fields or the food 1233 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,080 Speaker 1: pots or whatever, and you just know. And so when 1234 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,040 Speaker 1: you say, like take take an aggressive approach or do 1235 01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 1: something differently, a lot of times it's just don't sit 1236 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,760 Speaker 1: where most people would because you know, like back to 1237 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520 Speaker 1: when we're talking about giving Bucks too much credit, we 1238 01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,200 Speaker 1: make it so easy for them a lot of times. 1239 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,320 Speaker 1: Or I would say, you know, maybe the hunters out 1240 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,400 Speaker 1: there make it so easy for them to know what 1241 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 1: we're probably gonna do. You know, we're gonna we're gonna 1242 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 1: park in the same spots, we're gonna walk the same 1243 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,000 Speaker 1: entrance routes. And if you're if you're not, you know, 1244 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you could look at it differently than saying, say, 1245 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,760 Speaker 1: be aggressive, you could just think differently, Like, just just 1246 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,040 Speaker 1: think differently, because most people aren't going to be aggressive. 1247 01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,160 Speaker 1: Most people aren't gonna get off that logging road too far. 1248 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,440 Speaker 1: They're not going to get off those field edges, and 1249 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,080 Speaker 1: those deer know that. Like it's just it's so common 1250 01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,400 Speaker 1: and this is something that sounds like it's mostly like 1251 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,080 Speaker 1: a public land, you know, strike quick type of thing. 1252 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,880 Speaker 1: But when you think about like that that example you've 1253 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,160 Speaker 1: got there of the father and son, they got three 1254 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,960 Speaker 1: hundred acres and there, you know, we're really cautious. We 1255 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 1: don't go into the betting area. You don't go into 1256 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,680 Speaker 1: the sanctuary. We sit the outside edges. We move in 1257 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,280 Speaker 1: you know by Halloween or whatever. And it's like that, 1258 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, great, that might work. That might work great 1259 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,320 Speaker 1: for a lot of people in a lot of situations. 1260 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,840 Speaker 1: You might also be in a state that's not that great. 1261 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,200 Speaker 1: You might also just you know, have neighbors that are 1262 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, there might be a lot of things going 1263 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,640 Speaker 1: on where it would actually be more beneficial for you 1264 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: to acknowledge the pressure you put on specific sites and 1265 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 1: think about being aggressive and going in and doing something differently, 1266 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,560 Speaker 1: because we always kind of like externalize this, right, We're like, 1267 01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,320 Speaker 1: oh that you know that idiot that's walking around, you 1268 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,880 Speaker 1: know with the crossbow scaring everything away, he's ruining it 1269 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,840 Speaker 1: for me. Well, yeah, he might have been out there 1270 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,960 Speaker 1: one day and you've been out there nine and like 1271 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,760 Speaker 1: were but we're you know, like we're biased towards other 1272 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,520 Speaker 1: people's pressure and other people's mistakes. But we don't think 1273 01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: about it that way with ourselves. And if you're going 1274 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,000 Speaker 1: to the same three stands over and over all season 1275 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,840 Speaker 1: long volume hunting like you talked about earlier, like you, 1276 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 1: you might really really be hurting your chances even though 1277 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,640 Speaker 1: you think, like I'm putting in the hours this is 1278 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,800 Speaker 1: going to happen, when all you might have to do 1279 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,440 Speaker 1: is go back off two yards into the timber and 1280 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,680 Speaker 1: kill one on a staging area, or find find something 1281 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,480 Speaker 1: some soft edge in there, or something that's just different 1282 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,720 Speaker 1: than what most people would hunt, and you catch that 1283 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,040 Speaker 1: buck off guard, and that's that. That's one of the 1284 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,880 Speaker 1: lessons there that I think is so important for everybody 1285 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,920 Speaker 1: is just think a little bit differently about this stuff 1286 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 1: because we all have access to the same information. We 1287 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,920 Speaker 1: all have kind of the same like desire to go 1288 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,680 Speaker 1: sit where it's wide open and we can see a 1289 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,600 Speaker 1: long ways. We all have a desire to kind of 1290 01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,040 Speaker 1: be lazy with it to some extent. And if you 1291 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,040 Speaker 1: don't do that stuff, you're gonna think differently, You're gonna 1292 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,080 Speaker 1: hunt differently, You're gonna kill more deer. Yeah, yeah, you know, 1293 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:54,000 Speaker 1: and I that makes me think of like something you know, 1294 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,040 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about in the past of 1295 01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, a pretty kind of a standard is you know, 1296 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,080 Speaker 1: you put you put wind in your face. You you 1297 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,080 Speaker 1: go to your spot, you want the wind in your face, 1298 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,640 Speaker 1: blowing from where you expect dear to come to you. 1299 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,000 Speaker 1: And that's the safest option. And that's a good option 1300 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,920 Speaker 1: if you're kind of hunting kind of that outside in approach, 1301 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:20,560 Speaker 1: keeping pressure low, trying to stay hidden. But oftentimes, um, 1302 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,280 Speaker 1: especially with a mature buck and we're talking outside of 1303 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,080 Speaker 1: the rut here before they start doing different things where 1304 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:33,560 Speaker 1: their instincts flip more towards breeding and running as opposed 1305 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,880 Speaker 1: to early season and late where their instincts are more 1306 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, survival. Um. They they the chure bucks will 1307 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,760 Speaker 1: move further when they have a wind advantage. So what 1308 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,640 Speaker 1: I've what I've noticed over the years is that if 1309 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,640 Speaker 1: if I can get in a situation where I can 1310 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,200 Speaker 1: give that buck the wind or what he thinks is 1311 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:02,200 Speaker 1: the wind what we call more of like an off wind, UM, 1312 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,240 Speaker 1: that's that's the best case scenario for me to get 1313 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,320 Speaker 1: a mature dear to move as far as possible from 1314 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,080 Speaker 1: where he's betting, So it's kind of like a high risk, 1315 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:17,000 Speaker 1: high reward type sit. But it seems like a majority 1316 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,840 Speaker 1: of the time when I kill one kind of in 1317 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:23,160 Speaker 1: that early season two mid October, it's got some sort 1318 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,240 Speaker 1: of like cross wind or some sort of like quartering 1319 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,160 Speaker 1: wind in the direction of where that deer is. And 1320 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,280 Speaker 1: and what I've noticed is they just move further because 1321 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,560 Speaker 1: they're able to clear what's out in front of them, um, 1322 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, from from the safety of their betting area. 1323 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,560 Speaker 1: So they feel comfortable moving in that direction. And that's 1324 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,320 Speaker 1: not to say if you have the wind in your face, 1325 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 1: they won't move their direction. Now they will if that's 1326 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,800 Speaker 1: the way they want to go, they'll still come, but 1327 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,560 Speaker 1: they might wait till the last few minutes of daylight 1328 01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,680 Speaker 1: to do that. And you really, if if that's the 1329 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,480 Speaker 1: game you're gonna play, you've got to get real tight 1330 01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,120 Speaker 1: into their bubble um, you know, gotta get real tight 1331 01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,480 Speaker 1: to their bedding area where you're risking a little more 1332 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,520 Speaker 1: of getting seen of getting heard. Um. You know, a 1333 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,840 Speaker 1: wind shift, a wind swirl. A lot of these mature 1334 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:13,880 Speaker 1: bucks like the bed where the winds kind of swirls 1335 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,360 Speaker 1: or where where thermals tend to dump down in the evening, 1336 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,920 Speaker 1: so you start running a little more risk when you 1337 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,720 Speaker 1: get in tight and I've done it. I've done it 1338 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,200 Speaker 1: with the wind in my face, and you get in 1339 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,720 Speaker 1: tight and you get them killed. But sometimes you can 1340 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,240 Speaker 1: back off, getting a little bit safer location, and you're 1341 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,960 Speaker 1: getting kind of that off wind that's kind of blowing 1342 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,519 Speaker 1: off to the side of him, and he still thinks 1343 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,360 Speaker 1: that he can move in that direction and clear it 1344 01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,200 Speaker 1: with his nose. That's a major advantage for you because 1345 01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,559 Speaker 1: now you can get back a little more safer approach 1346 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,640 Speaker 1: and let that deer kind of come. But what you 1347 01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 1: run the risk of is that you know that wind 1348 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:51,559 Speaker 1: doesn't always blow that perfectly straight direction the whole time. 1349 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,280 Speaker 1: It will blow a little to the left, a little 1350 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,240 Speaker 1: to the right, so you you know, you might want 1351 01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,479 Speaker 1: to give yourself a little more leeway there than what 1352 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,759 Speaker 1: you would think. It's out always just a perfect straight line, 1353 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,679 Speaker 1: and if you don't, if that that sent cones out 1354 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,439 Speaker 1: as it gets a little closer, and then it's always 1355 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,479 Speaker 1: shifting a little left and right. But that's how I 1356 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,880 Speaker 1: killed my buck last year, um my second buck on 1357 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,400 Speaker 1: public land here in Michigan last year. As I gave 1358 01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,559 Speaker 1: him the wind, I had a feeling or where the 1359 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,800 Speaker 1: sign was located where he was betting, and he was 1360 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:24,639 Speaker 1: betting in the sticket, and I just didn't feel like 1361 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,880 Speaker 1: my setting up where all this sign was outside of 1362 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,920 Speaker 1: the bedding I found all these scrapes under these oak trees. 1363 01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,559 Speaker 1: I just didn't feel like that time of year that 1364 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,760 Speaker 1: he was going to travel that far. There was some 1365 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,599 Speaker 1: great trees in there. It was a little swirly in there. 1366 01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,000 Speaker 1: I didn't really like that set up. But the sign, 1367 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,920 Speaker 1: if you know, I think like a um any other 1368 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,000 Speaker 1: hunter would have seen that sign like this is the spot, 1369 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,160 Speaker 1: and it was. But the wind was swirling and it 1370 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,960 Speaker 1: was far enough away from the betting area. Was like, 1371 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,160 Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't think he's gonna move this 1372 01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,760 Speaker 1: far on October sixte I just don't. So what I 1373 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,000 Speaker 1: did was I at the wind in my favor. I 1374 01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,960 Speaker 1: circled around the thicket where I thought this year was 1375 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,080 Speaker 1: betting and I got more up on the up wind side, 1376 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,120 Speaker 1: and the wind was like blowing towards him, but it 1377 01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,760 Speaker 1: was blowing a little off to the left, and I 1378 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,920 Speaker 1: got I was able to get sneak into that thicket 1379 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,240 Speaker 1: and I got into it just enough um where I 1380 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,400 Speaker 1: was like inside of his betting area, but he was 1381 01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,559 Speaker 1: probably you know, where he ended up getting up and 1382 01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,880 Speaker 1: moving out of was probably seventy five yards away. So 1383 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,960 Speaker 1: it was a very cautious and quiet and stealthy approach 1384 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,840 Speaker 1: like that last you know, fifty yards. And this is 1385 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,000 Speaker 1: another cool story because I got set up in the 1386 01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,040 Speaker 1: saddle and like you said, you know, I don't. I 1387 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,240 Speaker 1: didn't want to get up high. I didn't want him 1388 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,160 Speaker 1: to see me. I want to make his least amount 1389 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,040 Speaker 1: of noise as possible. I just want to get up 1390 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,000 Speaker 1: above enough where I can shoot down into the tall 1391 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,880 Speaker 1: weeds and stuff. And I got set up and at 1392 01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,880 Speaker 1: one point I was setting a stick and I just 1393 01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,160 Speaker 1: clicked a branch just like and I was like, oh god, 1394 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, just just enough where like if there was 1395 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,559 Speaker 1: a deer around, you know, within fifty yards, he probably 1396 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,320 Speaker 1: would have heard it. So I get set up, I 1397 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,240 Speaker 1: get my platform up, and I get settled, and all 1398 01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I see this mature dough approaching me, 1399 01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,760 Speaker 1: like dead silent, looking up in the trees right in 1400 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,559 Speaker 1: my direction. But because I'm in the saddle, I'm on 1401 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,559 Speaker 1: the back side of the tree, and I'm I'm hiding 1402 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,360 Speaker 1: like this, and she comes fifteen yards from the base 1403 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,360 Speaker 1: of the tree and she's doing this, looking right up 1404 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,760 Speaker 1: at me, and she had heard that, and I was like, 1405 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,040 Speaker 1: this dell was gonna blow the whole thing. I just 1406 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,200 Speaker 1: remained motionless. She looks around for a few minutes, kind 1407 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,240 Speaker 1: of noses around. She's smelling. My wind is going just 1408 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,200 Speaker 1: to the left of her. And she turns around, flickers 1409 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,160 Speaker 1: her tail, walks right back into bedding, and I'm like, 1410 01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,400 Speaker 1: dodged a bullet. But that's the game you're playing a 1411 01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,679 Speaker 1: lot of times when you're slipping slipping into these these 1412 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,559 Speaker 1: these betting areas, Like that's how stealthy and quiet you've 1413 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:57,400 Speaker 1: got to be. So later on, um, this the sign 1414 01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,000 Speaker 1: that this buck had been lefting was was very aggressive. 1415 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,400 Speaker 1: There's like tons of scrapes open up in that little 1416 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,680 Speaker 1: that little oak grove, you know, a lot for for 1417 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,760 Speaker 1: that time of year. Some rubs were popping up. And 1418 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,479 Speaker 1: I had a feeling I was, you know, dealing with 1419 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,000 Speaker 1: a you know, an aggressive type deer is laying down 1420 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,120 Speaker 1: a lot of sign and I'm in his betting area. 1421 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,559 Speaker 1: Now I'm in his cover. He's got the win in 1422 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,840 Speaker 1: his favor. But I do know, I do realize he 1423 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,960 Speaker 1: doesn't really he's not really probably gonna come my direction. 1424 01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm on the up wind side, I'm not in the 1425 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,960 Speaker 1: direction of where those oaks are, I'm not in the 1426 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,320 Speaker 1: direction of where those scrapes are. I'm in the opposite direction. 1427 01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I need to somehow try 1428 01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,679 Speaker 1: to draw him over here. So I'm not a huge caller, 1429 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,320 Speaker 1: but I will call. I'm confident calling when I think 1430 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,080 Speaker 1: the situation is right. And a lot of that is, 1431 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,479 Speaker 1: you know, matching the attitude of the buck, and a 1432 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,760 Speaker 1: lot of it is being more subtle rather than aggressive, 1433 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of it is the location. And I 1434 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,679 Speaker 1: felt like, I'm in this deer's betting area. I shouldn't 1435 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 1: be able to get into here where I am without 1436 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,200 Speaker 1: him detecting me. But I did. And so what I 1437 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,080 Speaker 1: did was imagine, the wind is blowing, you know, to 1438 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,160 Speaker 1: the left of this deer, you know, towards him. So 1439 01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,120 Speaker 1: I turned to my right in a way, so the 1440 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,080 Speaker 1: opposite direction of the wind, straight line, opposite direction, and 1441 01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,240 Speaker 1: I tried to cast my call. What I do is 1442 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,000 Speaker 1: I do a little I did a little brew bre 1443 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:26,799 Speaker 1: like a long drawn out draw um grunt. Nothing really aggressive, 1444 01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,200 Speaker 1: but just a long drawn out grunt. That's been like 1445 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:33,600 Speaker 1: my most successful call im ature deer. And then I 1446 01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,760 Speaker 1: tried casting it directly away from the wind to make 1447 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,960 Speaker 1: it sound like it was coming from further that way. 1448 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard, you know, being an avid turkey hunter, 1449 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:47,680 Speaker 1: Like you can have a turkey um, you know, on 1450 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,160 Speaker 1: a ridge facing the other way, and it gobbles and 1451 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,880 Speaker 1: it sounds like it's a mile away, and then I'll 1452 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,479 Speaker 1: sudden it turns faces you and gobbles and you're like, 1453 01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,720 Speaker 1: holy shit, he's right there. So that's what I was 1454 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,519 Speaker 1: trying to replicate. Or in the elk woods, you know, 1455 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:05,040 Speaker 1: you gotta elk just below the bench and he you know, 1456 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,479 Speaker 1: he bugles, and you would swear he's on the other mountain, 1457 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,320 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he comes up over 1458 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,160 Speaker 1: that ridge and he bugles, and he's right in your face. 1459 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,160 Speaker 1: You can cast that call, you know, by just changing directions. 1460 01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,000 Speaker 1: So what I do is tried casting it away from 1461 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,400 Speaker 1: me and hopes that he would think that I'm not 1462 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,440 Speaker 1: where I am, but where the call was coming from. 1463 01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,080 Speaker 1: And what this deer did was I just wanted to 1464 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,320 Speaker 1: let him know there's an intruder in there and just 1465 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,479 Speaker 1: hopefully draw him my direction, because I don't expect that 1466 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,960 Speaker 1: he wants to come this way naturally, so I thought 1467 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,720 Speaker 1: that was my only shot. So it starts to get 1468 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,080 Speaker 1: a little darker, and all of a sudden, I hear 1469 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,240 Speaker 1: rubbing in the bedding area and he's thrashing trees, and 1470 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,200 Speaker 1: I was like, this deer' is fired up. Like I 1471 01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,200 Speaker 1: caught him on the right day, I mean, the right spot. 1472 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,599 Speaker 1: He knows some someone's in here. And all of a sudden, 1473 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,680 Speaker 1: I hear him kind of sloshing through the water a 1474 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,680 Speaker 1: little bit. There's some little wet spots in there, and 1475 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,080 Speaker 1: I hear him thrashing multiple trees. And then all of 1476 01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,720 Speaker 1: a sudden, I haven't heard many of them Michigan by 1477 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,839 Speaker 1: here a snort wee's and I'm like, dude, he is coming, 1478 01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,400 Speaker 1: you know. And here he comes, and he's doing the 1479 01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:10,400 Speaker 1: moon shape, you know, circling down wind. And and what 1480 01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,040 Speaker 1: I did worked to a t. He wasn't circling down 1481 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,679 Speaker 1: wind of me. He was circling down wind of where 1482 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,680 Speaker 1: he thought that call came from. And by casting it up, 1483 01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe he thinks it's thirty yards that way 1484 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,360 Speaker 1: or fifty yards that way, but it was just enough 1485 01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,400 Speaker 1: for him to cut that corner and work right in 1486 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,720 Speaker 1: front of me, as opposed to if I would have 1487 01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,960 Speaker 1: blew the grunt call at him, he pinpoints my location. 1488 01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,160 Speaker 1: Now he circles down wind of where I am instead 1489 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,000 Speaker 1: of where he's where I'm trying to pretend I am, 1490 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,120 Speaker 1: and I would have got busted. But in this case, 1491 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,240 Speaker 1: he does that moon shape. He's circling down wind, but 1492 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,840 Speaker 1: he's circling down window where that call came from. And 1493 01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,360 Speaker 1: he does a little moon curl right in front of me, 1494 01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,960 Speaker 1: and I shoot him at twenty eight yards. So I mean, 1495 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,599 Speaker 1: just a really cool hunt. But a lot of things, 1496 01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,240 Speaker 1: a lot of things. They're creative thinking. Um, getting in 1497 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:03,559 Speaker 1: tight to buck, feels comfortable moving in daylight, reading the 1498 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,040 Speaker 1: fresh sign, realizing you're in a spot you know where 1499 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,240 Speaker 1: that fresh signed is. The wind swirls, because what it 1500 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,240 Speaker 1: was is that was a uh a big river bottom system. 1501 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,920 Speaker 1: But it's it's wooded and there's like a opening, like 1502 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,080 Speaker 1: a little oak grove in the woods, so you know 1503 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,640 Speaker 1: it's it's all timber. And then there's like this, you know, 1504 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,920 Speaker 1: fifty yard sixty yard opening. And you know, when the 1505 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,240 Speaker 1: wind is blowing like from the north, what it does 1506 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,320 Speaker 1: is it hits that opening and it circles down and 1507 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,360 Speaker 1: sucks right back up to the north. That creates a 1508 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,320 Speaker 1: big swirling effect in there. And I was throwing milk 1509 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:36,720 Speaker 1: weed and I was like, oh man, I can't sit 1510 01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,320 Speaker 1: up in here. So then I just like creative thinking, Okay, 1511 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,200 Speaker 1: I gotta get around and get in tight to where 1512 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,360 Speaker 1: this buck is betting, get in his bubble, and give 1513 01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,320 Speaker 1: him the wind and call. I think the mentality is right, 1514 01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,720 Speaker 1: I think the timing is right. I'm gonna cast this 1515 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,439 Speaker 1: call up there, and it just worked. And it doesn't 1516 01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,040 Speaker 1: always work like that, but that's a great hunt. That 1517 01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,920 Speaker 1: just kind of shows a lot of different factors of 1518 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,280 Speaker 1: what I was thinking and how my brain was working 1519 01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,680 Speaker 1: through that specific scenario. That that's cool. I think the 1520 01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,080 Speaker 1: two things that everybody should take away from that are, 1521 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,599 Speaker 1: you know, obviously it was the right situation to call, 1522 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,240 Speaker 1: but the proximity and the comfort level there for that 1523 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,960 Speaker 1: deer that's so important. I mean, you know that you 1524 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,120 Speaker 1: you brought up turkeys and an elk deer, Turkeys and 1525 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,439 Speaker 1: elk any any animal you can communicate with that way. 1526 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,720 Speaker 1: Proximity is so important if they don't expect you to 1527 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,400 Speaker 1: be you know, like if they hear you from a 1528 01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,320 Speaker 1: long ways away. You know, if you were three hundred 1529 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,720 Speaker 1: yards away banging your antlers together to try to draw 1530 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,280 Speaker 1: that buck in your he's not coming. Not gonna happen 1531 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,599 Speaker 1: when you get that close to him and he hears that. 1532 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,280 Speaker 1: That's a different thing. It's the same thing. You know. 1533 01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,080 Speaker 1: You get that gobbler that's out there strutting in the 1534 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,800 Speaker 1: middle of the field, in his strutting zone at noon, 1535 01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,160 Speaker 1: and you're on the field edge a half a mile away. 1536 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,559 Speaker 1: You can call your ass off and he's probably not coming. 1537 01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,600 Speaker 1: But you sneak around there below the ridge and you 1538 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,240 Speaker 1: get up, you know, fifty seventy five yards away from him, 1539 01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,040 Speaker 1: scratch a little bit, do a little bit of yelping. 1540 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,120 Speaker 1: It's nothing for him to commit. Now, it's it's a 1541 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,439 Speaker 1: different thing. And then the other thing with that, dear, 1542 01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,320 Speaker 1: the other lesson is we we think about and you 1543 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:12,360 Speaker 1: brought this up like we think about wind almost always entirely, 1544 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,160 Speaker 1: like is it good or bad for us? Like are 1545 01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,960 Speaker 1: we gonna get busted or not? Is it in my 1546 01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,639 Speaker 1: face or not. But when you start thinking about how 1547 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,880 Speaker 1: they use the wind, like they that's like X ray 1548 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,800 Speaker 1: vision to them, man, Like it's it's the most important thing. 1549 01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,479 Speaker 1: And when you talk about getting that little edge where 1550 01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:33,280 Speaker 1: it's like, man, the winds almost not good for you almost, 1551 01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,160 Speaker 1: that's like super important because that means it's pretty damn 1552 01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,400 Speaker 1: good for them. And when it's good for them, you know, 1553 01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,479 Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, I love bird dogs, and 1554 01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,360 Speaker 1: when I watch bird dogs like or we filmed them 1555 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,040 Speaker 1: like in the cattails hunting in the in the late season, 1556 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,719 Speaker 1: and you can see like they can't use their eyes 1557 01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,439 Speaker 1: at all, you know, and you watch how they use 1558 01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:56,479 Speaker 1: their nose. It's like a master class on like why, 1559 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,599 Speaker 1: like how important that is to animals that have that 1560 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,000 Speaker 1: develop up old factory sense. Like it's a different thing. 1561 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,639 Speaker 1: And so when you start thinking about it that way 1562 01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,400 Speaker 1: instead of just being like I have to just get 1563 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,200 Speaker 1: into a tree and have the wind blowing in my face, 1564 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,080 Speaker 1: it's like great, Like that's their situations. That's perfect. You know. 1565 01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,880 Speaker 1: If you're on like a rut funnel and it should 1566 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,439 Speaker 1: just be it's a it's a you know, terrain trap 1567 01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,000 Speaker 1: of some sort. Perfect. Great, you know and and their 1568 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,679 Speaker 1: situations where that works. But there's just so many times, 1569 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,559 Speaker 1: you know, you hunt the big woods and it's pretty flat, 1570 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,200 Speaker 1: or you hunt a lot of places like where they're 1571 01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,320 Speaker 1: gonna use that freaking wind in such a way that 1572 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,320 Speaker 1: like you you gotta be risky, like you gotta, you 1573 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,760 Speaker 1: gotta go. I'm gonna set up here, and you know, 1574 01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,519 Speaker 1: if this switches fifteen degrees, I'm hosed. But if it 1575 01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,559 Speaker 1: stays like this, he's gonna feel pretty damn confident. And 1576 01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,000 Speaker 1: that puts you in the game in a way. On 1577 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,679 Speaker 1: those bucks, that's just it's like hard to describe until 1578 01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,360 Speaker 1: you have that happen. And that's like that thing leaves 1579 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,320 Speaker 1: a mark when you see that, because you just go, Okay, 1580 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,000 Speaker 1: this is a whole new world of white tail behavior. Um, 1581 01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,680 Speaker 1: we're we're almost out of time here, buddy, So I 1582 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,639 Speaker 1: have one last question for you to kind of sum 1583 01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,880 Speaker 1: up this. This rabbits with Antler's thing. What's the dumbest 1584 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,559 Speaker 1: thing you've seen a mature buck do? Like, what's the 1585 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,000 Speaker 1: one time, like think back, like what's the time where 1586 01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,599 Speaker 1: you were just like I cannot freaking believe that that 1587 01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,519 Speaker 1: deer did that? Yeah, it was it was probably right 1588 01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,799 Speaker 1: very close to when I started hunting. It was in Michigan, 1589 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,880 Speaker 1: and you know, this is back when I was watching 1590 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,639 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of like outdoor TV and 1591 01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, reading articles about some of these guys that 1592 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:33,200 Speaker 1: were you know obviously hunting you know, unpressured deer, and 1593 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:38,160 Speaker 1: you know I owned a set of those like big 1594 01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,800 Speaker 1: giant white synthetic antlers, and um, you know that's what 1595 01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,439 Speaker 1: I saw on TV and it worked down near every time. 1596 01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:48,200 Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's how I was hunting. And 1597 01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:52,200 Speaker 1: I was in Michigan and I was on a uh 1598 01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, on a permission piece, and I was set 1599 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,639 Speaker 1: up right on a field edge because you know that's 1600 01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,360 Speaker 1: what you do. And behind me, where I was not 1601 01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,080 Speaker 1: even really facing, like I was facing like the beans, 1602 01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, and these lush beans that I'm expecting to 1603 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,559 Speaker 1: see all these you know, big bucks come out and 1604 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,519 Speaker 1: obviously that doesn't happen. But behind me was like this 1605 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:18,879 Speaker 1: old set aside field, um, and I just happened to glance. 1606 01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,479 Speaker 1: It was great betting cover. I didn't know enough about 1607 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,120 Speaker 1: this type of you know, terrain and this type of 1608 01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,000 Speaker 1: habitat to really know that like that's that is good 1609 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,519 Speaker 1: for mature deer. But um, I looked behind me, and 1610 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:34,440 Speaker 1: I see a nice mature eight point kind of walking parallel, 1611 01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, to me. And I had the wind. The 1612 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,920 Speaker 1: wind was more like kind of blowing like down the 1613 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,240 Speaker 1: tree line. So it wasn't like it wasn't necessarily my favor, 1614 01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:48,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily in his favor. But I just clapped 1615 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,320 Speaker 1: those antlers together as loud as I could, just like 1616 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,600 Speaker 1: you see like Gordon Winnington do it in Texas, you know, 1617 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,320 Speaker 1: just staging the biggest giant buck fight that that's ever been. 1618 01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,679 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, like, you know what I think back, 1619 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,559 Speaker 1: It's like I'm like he could probably see me, you know, 1620 01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,040 Speaker 1: like and uh, you know, I'm just like just bailing 1621 01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,360 Speaker 1: those things together. And sure enough, man, this deer turns. 1622 01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,439 Speaker 1: You just must have caught him, you know, just doing 1623 01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,880 Speaker 1: a dumb thing in the right mood or whatever. But 1624 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,360 Speaker 1: here he comes, and he's coming when it totally not 1625 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,600 Speaker 1: in his favor, doesn't circle downwind at all. It just 1626 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,439 Speaker 1: comes a bee line right to my tree and I 1627 01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,120 Speaker 1: shoot right over him. So I don't want to say 1628 01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,120 Speaker 1: that that that stuff happens a lot. It doesn't happen 1629 01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,639 Speaker 1: a lot. But you know, they do do dumb things, 1630 01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,120 Speaker 1: and if you just kind of you you can get 1631 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,480 Speaker 1: it done just simply by being out there sometimes. Um, 1632 01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's probably the dumbest thing I've seen a 1633 01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,320 Speaker 1: mature buck do. After that experience, how many big bucks 1634 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,200 Speaker 1: did you rattle that before you just threw those things away? Oh? Man, 1635 01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:53,639 Speaker 1: it ruined me for years because that totally uh made 1636 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,639 Speaker 1: me think like that's all I needed to do. I mean, 1637 01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,960 Speaker 1: I was a rattling fool for a few years and 1638 01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's probably a dozen or sobucks to see 1639 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,320 Speaker 1: him just to kind of turntail and run to think 1640 01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,400 Speaker 1: about to make me realize like, Okay, this isn't this 1641 01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,080 Speaker 1: isn't gonna work every time, you know. And then you start, 1642 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, you start reading different things about hunting pressure deer, 1643 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,840 Speaker 1: and it's like leaving the calls at home or calling 1644 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,639 Speaker 1: a little more subtle, and you just, you know, trial 1645 01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,280 Speaker 1: and error, you know what works what doesn't, and you 1646 01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,559 Speaker 1: start to kind of fine tune that calling strategy because 1647 01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,640 Speaker 1: it certainly can be a strategy. But Tony, real quick man, 1648 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,240 Speaker 1: before before we hop off, like I think this is 1649 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:33,000 Speaker 1: worth mentioning, Um, you know, real quick and I'll make 1650 01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,080 Speaker 1: it fast. We could we talk about the importance of 1651 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:40,519 Speaker 1: like of of shooting and being good with your weapon. UM. 1652 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,080 Speaker 1: One thing that I do think that really helps me. 1653 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:49,639 Speaker 1: It might set me apart from say, like the average guy. UM. 1654 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,559 Speaker 1: And I know you, I know you feel the same 1655 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:57,400 Speaker 1: way about this is being absolutely proficient with your weapon. 1656 01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,720 Speaker 1: And I think back about these shots. You know that 1657 01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,960 Speaker 1: I get on these hunts out of stay at home. 1658 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:10,840 Speaker 1: Very rarely, very rarely am I getting the perfect broad 1659 01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:15,240 Speaker 1: yard broadside shot at at twenty yards with a deer 1660 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,920 Speaker 1: standing there and I'm flat footed and everything the form 1661 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:23,800 Speaker 1: is is is ideal. Very rarely does that happen. It 1662 01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,120 Speaker 1: happens every once in a while, But a lot of 1663 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:32,280 Speaker 1: my shots are happening at an extreme fast pace. UM. 1664 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:37,559 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sliding my arrow between you know, uh, two 1665 01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,120 Speaker 1: branches from two different trees, and there's there's an inch 1666 01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,080 Speaker 1: space to get through, or there's a little hole the 1667 01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,599 Speaker 1: size of a volleyball to get through, or I'm leaning 1668 01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,840 Speaker 1: way out in my saddle on the weak side, and 1669 01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,479 Speaker 1: you know, my form is horrendous, and you know the 1670 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,880 Speaker 1: deer is about to walk out of the shooting lane. UM. 1671 01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:01,080 Speaker 1: Another one. You know, what happens often is is you know, 1672 01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,920 Speaker 1: I have something covering the vitals, say at twenty yards, 1673 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,479 Speaker 1: and the deer standing at forty and you've got to 1674 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,280 Speaker 1: know your your weapon and know that the trajector of 1675 01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,760 Speaker 1: the arrow is gonna is gonna cast right over that 1676 01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:17,080 Speaker 1: obstruction and land right in the vitals are out west, 1677 01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,160 Speaker 1: like all my my last shots have been, you know, 1678 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,439 Speaker 1: sitting down on knees. My amalte that I shot last year, 1679 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,439 Speaker 1: it was a sixty yard shot, which is you know, 1680 01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:31,519 Speaker 1: a poke, and I was in a crouch like half 1681 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,120 Speaker 1: squat position because the way that hunt unfolded is this 1682 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,760 Speaker 1: deer was approaching, and he was coming up on a 1683 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,240 Speaker 1: ridge and then going down, and then coming up and 1684 01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,800 Speaker 1: then going down, and every time he was down, I 1685 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,760 Speaker 1: was sprinting trying to get within bow range to cut 1686 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,519 Speaker 1: him off. And every time he was up, I had 1687 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,960 Speaker 1: to freeze because he could see my level and so 1688 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,599 Speaker 1: I had to cover you know, you know, six eight 1689 01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:57,280 Speaker 1: hundred yards. And then I finally got my shot opportunity 1690 01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,479 Speaker 1: just as he was about to jump onto private land 1691 01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,360 Speaker 1: that I couldn't access, and I was screwed. I was 1692 01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,400 Speaker 1: I had a branch kind of head height. I had 1693 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:10,240 Speaker 1: to squat down and get that pin settled and make 1694 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,519 Speaker 1: that shot in an instant, or that animal gets away. 1695 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,160 Speaker 1: Or my my first buck in Michigan last year was 1696 01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,759 Speaker 1: a weak side shot in the saddle, so completely twisted 1697 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,640 Speaker 1: the way you don't really want to shoot. And it 1698 01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,280 Speaker 1: was a thirty five yard shot, just about to walk 1699 01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,280 Speaker 1: out of my shooting lane and hit him through both lungs. 1700 01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:32,559 Speaker 1: But my point is I practiced. This is how I practice. 1701 01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:38,120 Speaker 1: I practiced for muscle memory and testing and accuracy, like 1702 01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,000 Speaker 1: at the beginning, you know, and during the spring and 1703 01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,120 Speaker 1: the beginning of summer, and then I quickly switched to 1704 01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:47,719 Speaker 1: real life hunting shots, you know, on my knees, off balance, 1705 01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,559 Speaker 1: a foot up on a rock, um, real steep off 1706 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,879 Speaker 1: the roof, real steep in the saddle, weak side, sliding 1707 01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,200 Speaker 1: it through, you know, right next to a tree where 1708 01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,639 Speaker 1: I gotta you know, trying to hit the heart and 1709 01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,879 Speaker 1: I got to go shoot within an inch of the tree. 1710 01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,679 Speaker 1: And what that does is that prepares me. It gives 1711 01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:08,680 Speaker 1: me confidence when those shots materialize in the woods, like 1712 01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,519 Speaker 1: I don't hesitate. Those are shots that I've made hundreds 1713 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:16,080 Speaker 1: of times. And I made the analogy to you. It's like, 1714 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,759 Speaker 1: it's like, you don't if you're if you're a runner 1715 01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:25,120 Speaker 1: and you're gonna run a twenty six mile race, Um, 1716 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,439 Speaker 1: you don't train for that twenty six mile race by 1717 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,479 Speaker 1: running five miles or ten miles and then expect to 1718 01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:38,040 Speaker 1: perform optimally on race day at six miles. No, you 1719 01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,960 Speaker 1: run twenty six miles or you run thirty and if 1720 01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,800 Speaker 1: you're trying to win, you're running, you know, thirty miles 1721 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,559 Speaker 1: plus for time and and so when you run that 1722 01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,800 Speaker 1: twenty six mile, it's a breeze. And that's a big thing. 1723 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,120 Speaker 1: I think. I pull off and I take a lot 1724 01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:58,800 Speaker 1: of shots that other people, um, either don't have confidence 1725 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,720 Speaker 1: in or it would be extremely low odds because they 1726 01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:06,320 Speaker 1: haven't put themselves in that situation enough in practice. So 1727 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm not telling people to go out and and wing shots, 1728 01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,639 Speaker 1: these these low percentage shots, but no practice these hard shots, 1729 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,240 Speaker 1: because those are the ones I get. Those are the 1730 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,760 Speaker 1: ones where I'm just slipping it through that that most 1731 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,600 Speaker 1: people think would be a high risk shot. To me, 1732 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:22,920 Speaker 1: it's not. If I can see the spot and I 1733 01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,080 Speaker 1: have my pen and I have my bow back, I 1734 01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,240 Speaker 1: can hit that spot. It doesn't matter what's around me. 1735 01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what's in front of me. If the 1736 01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,280 Speaker 1: trajectory is going to carry it over, it doesn't matter anything. 1737 01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,759 Speaker 1: It's still a point of aim and me executing the shot. 1738 01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what else is around there. But you 1739 01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,559 Speaker 1: have to put yourself in that situation and and and 1740 01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,880 Speaker 1: practice those shots so that when they do come, it's 1741 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,599 Speaker 1: not your first rodeo. It's something you've done. It's smooth, 1742 01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:55,400 Speaker 1: it's it's it's seamless, there's no worry, there's no hesitation, 1743 01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,960 Speaker 1: there's no anticipation, it's just boom, there's my shot. Okay, 1744 01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen quick. I gotta execute quicker. Boom there 1745 01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:06,200 Speaker 1: it is, and it's automatic. And I think that sets 1746 01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,800 Speaker 1: uh my success apart from some because I know a 1747 01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,280 Speaker 1: lot of good hunters out there, tons like you know, 1748 01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,520 Speaker 1: some hunters that are are probably much better than I am. 1749 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,040 Speaker 1: And every year they tell me about the buck they wounded, 1750 01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,720 Speaker 1: I hit the twig, I rushed the shot, and I 1751 01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,000 Speaker 1: hit him high. Um, you know all these things, and 1752 01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,519 Speaker 1: it really is just you're just coming on glued in 1753 01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:32,519 Speaker 1: the heat of that moment. So practice really, really hard shots, 1754 01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:37,639 Speaker 1: really challenging shots. Challenge your balance, challenge your form, challenge 1755 01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,600 Speaker 1: how fast you have to get it off, shoot it 1756 01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,479 Speaker 1: right next to that tree where if you miss and 1757 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,559 Speaker 1: you don't you don't get it right, you're gonna blow 1758 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,680 Speaker 1: your arrow up. Um. That's what prepares you for the 1759 01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:51,439 Speaker 1: real life, you know, out there on public land or 1760 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,280 Speaker 1: pressured permission land, when you're trying to get a mature 1761 01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,280 Speaker 1: buck in thick cover where you can't trim a bunch 1762 01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,799 Speaker 1: and you don't have wide open food plasts to shooting. 1763 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,400 Speaker 1: Those are the shots you're getting, and those are the 1764 01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,880 Speaker 1: shots you got to be prepared for, and you have 1765 01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,599 Speaker 1: to make it count every time. Yeah, I mean, that's 1766 01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,080 Speaker 1: that's one thing. Especially, you know, it's it's different if 1767 01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,559 Speaker 1: you can really set up stands and cut shooting lanes 1768 01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,960 Speaker 1: and you're you're sitting on field edges and food plots 1769 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,760 Speaker 1: and like that's a you know, that's a somewhat of 1770 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,400 Speaker 1: a different thing. But most of the hunting, you know, 1771 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,120 Speaker 1: like when we when we talked yesterday about this, you know, 1772 01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,439 Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, man, so many of the deer 1773 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,240 Speaker 1: that I shoot are some some level of a thread. 1774 01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,240 Speaker 1: The needle shot, you know, it might not be you know, 1775 01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,120 Speaker 1: like you might not be shooting like through a golf 1776 01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,680 Speaker 1: ball size hole, right, but it's like a softball or 1777 01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,680 Speaker 1: something in the cover or you know, and and not 1778 01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,880 Speaker 1: crazy distances. There's normal white tail distances, but it's never 1779 01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,280 Speaker 1: like a wide open you know, you know, like nothing 1780 01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,880 Speaker 1: between you but in them but air an opportunity. There's 1781 01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:52,720 Speaker 1: always something to think about there. And if you don't 1782 01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:56,880 Speaker 1: practice those and you don't have the experience shooting deer, 1783 01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,439 Speaker 1: I mean, this is another thing. And like you know, 1784 01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm not advocating using deer. It's hard get practice. But 1785 01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,559 Speaker 1: a lot of people who aren't closers, who might be 1786 01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,280 Speaker 1: good hunters but aren't closers, they didn't go through the 1787 01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,599 Speaker 1: phase where they killed a ton of dose and little bucks, 1788 01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:10,960 Speaker 1: or they just don't you know, they don't have the 1789 01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,880 Speaker 1: Western animals under their belt or something. So it's like, man, 1790 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,360 Speaker 1: you're getting one shot a year, or one or two 1791 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,960 Speaker 1: opportunities a year at something and fift of time that's 1792 01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,320 Speaker 1: gonna go wrong somehow. You know, they're either you know, 1793 01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:23,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna bust you when you draw, or you're gonna 1794 01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,559 Speaker 1: make a bad shot or something, and you're just not 1795 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,599 Speaker 1: You're not used to that execution at the moment. And man, 1796 01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,799 Speaker 1: when you get to that point where you're really confident 1797 01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,160 Speaker 1: through the practice you're talking about and you get the experience, 1798 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,880 Speaker 1: like then when you watch them walk in, your stoked 1799 01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,479 Speaker 1: because you know you can do it and you're not 1800 01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,200 Speaker 1: scared that you're gonna screw it up. And that's a 1801 01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,040 Speaker 1: big difference because a lot of people and they won't 1802 01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,400 Speaker 1: admit this, but like I went through this when I 1803 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,160 Speaker 1: when I went hunted with a recurve for a few years, 1804 01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,200 Speaker 1: Like the first year I shot so much. I was 1805 01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,920 Speaker 1: really confident. The second year I didn't, And I felt 1806 01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,519 Speaker 1: differently when I was out there, Like i'd see a 1807 01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,200 Speaker 1: deer coming down the trail, I'm like, I don't want 1808 01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,280 Speaker 1: them to come in because now I'm scared to take 1809 01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,600 Speaker 1: the shot because I'm not as confident. And man, you 1810 01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,439 Speaker 1: go through a season like that and it changes your 1811 01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:08,840 Speaker 1: perspective on what you want to, like, I don't you 1812 01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,160 Speaker 1: don't ever want to go into it that way again 1813 01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,479 Speaker 1: because you know how much it hurts you and you 1814 01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,360 Speaker 1: don't do well. And so that that's a great lesson. 1815 01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,320 Speaker 1: That's a great way to wrap this up. Andy, It's 1816 01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,400 Speaker 1: always a pleasure to chat with you. Man. I love 1817 01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,840 Speaker 1: I love talking to you. Um, thank you so much 1818 01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,840 Speaker 1: for coming on, buddy. Yeah, it's fun anytime. Man. I 1819 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,200 Speaker 1: love talking to you too. 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