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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Emily body here. You are listening to another

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Speaker 2: episode of Hurdle, a podcast featuring the mindset, secrets, and

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Speaker 2: empowering you to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life

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Speaker 2: and of course, conquer your own hurdles. In this week's episode,

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Speaker 2: I am sitting down with the incredible Andrea Carter. If

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Speaker 2: you are me deep in March madness, just like me,

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Speaker 2: then you are familiar Andrea. She's one of the most

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Speaker 2: recognizable faces on ESPN covering all things of basketball, and

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Speaker 2: her journey to your television screen is one of both

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Speaker 2: reinvention and resilience. A masterclass, if you will, in conquering hurdles.

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Speaker 2: After multiple injuries cut her playing career short at the

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Speaker 2: University of Tennessee, Drea took on a number of different jobs,

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Speaker 2: ranging from driving uber and lyft to coaching at Orange

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Speaker 2: Theory while getting her feet wet. In sports media, this week,

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Speaker 2: we dive deep into navigating career transitions, how she pivoted

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Speaker 2: way to stay connected to the game she loves overcoming

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Speaker 2: physical setbacks, the mental fortitude required to deal with repeated

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Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. And with that, let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: Let's get it's a hurdling today, I am sitting down

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Speaker 2: with a true trailblazer in sports media. Arguably, let's call

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Speaker 2: Andrea Carter, Welcome to Hurdle. How are we doing? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: I am great. It is a great time of year.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to sit down with you. So yeah, all

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I feel like if there's a time

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Speaker 2: Sports Emmy nomination. Now Standing sports personality emerging on air talent.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I've realized too like getting the job you want,

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Speaker 1: Now I only do basketball, I will say, probably color analysis,

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00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: So sitting and calling the game requires more bandwidth because

438
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: you just have to watch the game with a different

439
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: eye than when you're in studio. So I started as

440
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 1: a color analyst. That's what I did for so long,

441
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: and I took a two year break and I didn't

442
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: do any color I just did studio. I tapped into

443
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 1: some sideline and did different things like that. So now

444
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: being back in the color analysts chair, which I was

445
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: so excited to do, that takes the most bandwidth right now,

446
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: just getting back into a flow of it. But you're

447
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: so locked in for a short amount of time and

448
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: like watching the game as the play happens and thinking

449
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: about what's the most important thing in this play? Okay,

450
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: and then the ball moves and what's the most important

451
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: thing in this play? And do I have a story

452
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: on that player? Do I want to hit that or

453
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: do I want.

454
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Speaker 2: To hit this?

455
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: You're like constantly making decisions while live action is happening.

456
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: It's shorter because you know, when you're in studio you

457
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: might have a triple header.

458
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: You're there all day.

459
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Speaker 1: It's not as intense, but it's longer. The games are shorter,

460
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: but they're very intense bandwidth wise.

461
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Speaker 2: You bring up a really important point, And I also

462
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 2: think this kind of plays off of what you were

463
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: talking about doing so many different things at once, and

464
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: that's that when you got your start, you were working

465
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: with in other sports sports that maybe wouldn't have been

466
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: your first choice. Some people hear something like that and

467
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 2: they're like, well, I just wouldn't take the opportunity, Like,

468
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: it's not me. What was it about these opportunities that

469
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 2: you knew would be good for you?

470
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: I think just the opportunity for me to get more reps,

471
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: like to be in front of a camera, to talk

472
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: to coaches, to you know, speak to athletes and not

473
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: know there's sport, but figure out how much research and

474
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: how prepared can I be where they don't even know

475
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: that I.

476
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: Don't know anything about this sport right like like, so.

477
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Speaker 1: It was it was a challenge on one hand, but

478
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: it was also just an opportunity for reps and kind

479
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: of going back to who I was as an athlete,

480
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: I had to have reps. I needed to be in

481
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: the gym shooting extra. I wasn't going to feel good.

482
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: And so when I started thinking about just being on

483
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: TV in general, to me, any rep was was good

484
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: for me because it was a rep. It was an

485
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to have a microphone, to speak to be on camera,

486
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: and it was fun, and honestly I loved Like when

487
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: I look back on it, I think it gave me

488
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: more confidence. Like when I did the NBA Draft for

489
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: the first time, I was so nervous, but I remember thinking,

490
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: like I covered softball and I covered beach volleyball. If

491
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: I can cover those sports, I can cover basketball and

492
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: any basketball is what I know. And so I'm so

493
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: thankful for those times. Beach volleyball was so much fun.

494
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 1: Softball was fun. Yeah, I had a blast doing other sports.

495
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: Football was great, you know, the outdoors and the elements,

496
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: that's a whole different story. I'm glad that I'm indoor

497
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: now for basketball all the time, but huge part of

498
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: my journey that I'm really glad I didn't say no

499
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: to any of.

500
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Speaker 2: That, Yeah for sure. I mean these in between years

501
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: really taught you a lot about resilience, maybe in ways

502
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: that being on the court good in Yeah.

503
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Speaker 1: And I think too, like just trying to figure out

504
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: where I can again connect, kind of going back to

505
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: the idea of connection. How can I connect to these coaches,

506
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: these athletes, and these fans, Like you're coming into an

507
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: entirely new fan base. I want them to trust me,

508
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: or I want them to know that I care about

509
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: this sport and I care about these athletes. So yeah,

510
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: it was a challenge, but it was also so rewarding

511
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: and had a lot of fun doing it.

512
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: Is this affinity for connection, something that has always been

513
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: important to you. Was it modeled for you in some way?

514
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 2: Because I think it's irrefutable that not everyone approaches the

515
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: type of work that you do through that connection. Lens. Wow,

516
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: I've never been asked that before.

517
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Speaker 1: But when as I was listening to you, the first

518
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Speaker 1: person that came into my mind was my nana.

519
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: My Nana Gloria.

520
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Speaker 1: She passed actually while I was in college, but was

521
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: and still is to this day, my favorite person in

522
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: the world.

523
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: And like you just felt.

524
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: Her love for you, You felt her care, you just

525
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: felt her heart. Anytime you talk to her, you could

526
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: be talking about anything, and she like gave the best hugs.

527
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: I never felt disconnected to her. I always felt connected

528
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: to her. She opened her door to everyone, anyone would

529
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: talk to her, and so I do think the importance

530
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Speaker 1: of connection and just embodying love came from my nana.

531
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Speaker 1: Like my mom would say that anybody who has been

532
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: in my life but knows my nana knows she is

533
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Speaker 1: the top reason and the top example of anything that

534
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: I have when it comes to connection, love, care, unconditional love.

535
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think that like, if I

536
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: can connect to someone, I think that's embodying the spirit

537
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: of my nana the most and what she would be

538
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: the most proud of. And so I have to say

539
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: that's probably you know, she passed the year before I

540
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: stopped playing basketball, and so you know, it's top of mind.

541
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Speaker 1: I guess just embodying her has been probably like a

542
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Speaker 1: thread line of my career.

543
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really special. Thanks for sharing that. I think

544
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: that something that's really stuck with me over the last

545
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: few years specifically, is this bigger question of how do

546
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: I want people to feel when they leave me? And

547
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: so many things you just articulated about the way that

548
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: your nana made you feel and how you hope to

549
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: leave people. Those are integral in the way that I

550
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: move on a day to day basis. I want you

551
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: to feel seen, I want you to feel heard, and

552
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: if you don't, then I'm probably in my head about

553
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: something else and I'm not present there anyway.

554
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: Oh, the importance of present being present is so it's

555
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if you, I hope people start to

556
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: understand more how you really are your best self when

557
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: you're present. Like anytime you're out of character, you probably

558
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: have something else on your mind. You're imagining being somewhere else,

559
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: You're thinking of where you should be or what you

560
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: should be doing, instead of being present. Like the importance

561
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: of the present moment is it can't be overstated. Like

562
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: being present is so important. And I will say, you're phenomenal,

563
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: like you have been so easy to talk to, You've

564
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: clearly done your research, like you're this has been so effortless.

565
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think your your presence is it's already

566
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: showing in this.

567
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: Realm, coming on my show and complimenting me. Right ready

568
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: for this? What's ready for it? But I will also

569
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: say this is yes, and it's mutual. And it is

570
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: impossible then to not go back to when you went

571
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: in on being on air full time, because so much

572
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: is going on, you're completely a newbie here and you

573
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: found a way to be present. What would you say,

574
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: Maybe it's that, maybe it's something else. Was the most

575
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: difficult part about that initial rise when you got your

576
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: seat on air.

577
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: One of the most difficult parts for sure, was all

578
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: of the outside opinions. And it's hard because when I

579
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: first started, like when you first get started, you don't

580
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: always have the same crew, so you don't always have

581
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: the same producer, You're not always working with the same

582
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: play by play, and so different people think different aspects

583
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: are good and different people think different aspects are bad. Right,

584
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: So like some people, when you do a sideline hit,

585
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: they some producers think you should say, you know, back

586
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: to you, Dave, that was my football play by play guy.

587
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: He's great, Dave Neil, He's wonderful. Or you know, some

588
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: people think you should end with being like Dave, or

589
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: some producers are like, yeah, just in the hit, don't

590
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: say anything, right, So it's like this constant I would

591
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: say opinions because it's a very subjective business. So even

592
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: when I first got started, I had no idea what

593
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: was good TV. So my opinions on you know, I

594
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: remember I would finish a show and I would be like,

595
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, people be like, how was it, and.

596
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: I would be like, I don't know, I have no idea.

597
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: I hope it was good.

598
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: So I think that just I had no background in TV,

599
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: and so my knowledge or understanding of what was good

600
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: or bad really came from other people, and my judgment

601
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: of myself came from other people, which when it's all

602
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: in the business, it was hard to still navigate well

603
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: what feels good to me because three different people think

604
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: three different things were good. But then also when I

605
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: was constantly getting opinions from other people in my workspace,

606
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: it was also hard to disconnect myself from other people

607
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: on like social media or fans or you know, those

608
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: that type of you know, the growth that happened with

609
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: my career, with more opportunities came more eyes and came

610
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: more opinions, And so it took me a while to

611
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: separate the opinions of others and understand what's a good

612
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 1: show for me, Like what when do I feel good

613
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: about a show because or when do I feel good

614
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: about a hit Because if someone's a fan of a

615
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: team and my hit was negative about that team, of

616
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: course they're going to hate it. It doesn't mean it

617
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: was a bad hit, right, Or on the contrary, if

618
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: I gave a great hit but it was like sloppy

619
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: and I talked in circles, but I was saying something

620
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: positive about this team, of course the fans are going

621
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: to like it. They don't care if I, you know,

622
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: was talked in circles, and so I think, yeah, coming

623
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: back to the hardest part has just been figuring out

624
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: how to whose opinions matter? How do I judge my performances?

625
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: Like in basketball, it's very objective, really like I knew

626
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: my role on the team. I knew what I was

627
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: supposed to do, Like did I get deflections?

628
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: Was I in denial? Was I in a defensive stance?

629
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: Was I disruptive?

630
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: It was very easy for me to know if I

631
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: did it right or did it wrong as a player.

632
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: As an ANALYSTI took me a while to figure that out.

633
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: That was definitely the hardest part.

634
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: Two things is zublehick on. The first one is how

635
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: did you get to this place where you were relying

636
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: less on the validation of others on your performance time

637
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: for sure.

638
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: Just having enough shows, like in the back of my

639
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: having done enough shows where I could feel like, oh

640
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: that didn't feel good or oh that felt good right,

641
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: So I would say time for sure. Too early on,

642
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: I I just started judging my performance based on was

643
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I prepared? Like if I was prepared, I had my notes,

644
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: and not that I just make my notes, But did

645
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: I study my notes? Did I know my points? Did

646
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: I you know, was I ready for this moment? And

647
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: if I was prepared but I mixed up a name,

648
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: or if I was prepared and I, you know, said

649
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: something incorrectly, or I think when we speak we naturally

650
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: have pauses, We naturally might mispronounce a word sometimes just

651
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: because that's human nature. And so I just started judging

652
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: myself on prepared, was I prepared?

653
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: And then yeah, just.

654
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Figuring out later through watching myself, which is my least

655
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: favorite thing to do, but China still encourages me to

656
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: do it and I do still do it to this day.

657
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: But every time I watched myself back, that's how I

658
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: started figuring out, like, oh I liked how that sounded.

659
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: I liked how I presented that that was sloppy. And

660
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: so in watching film, like as an athlete, you watch

661
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: film as an analyst, I've had to watch a lot

662
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: of film on myself. It's awkward, it's uncomfortable, but it's

663
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: helped me understand where good and bad or strong and

664
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: poor analysis, where that line is for.

665
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: Me bigger than the actual performance or execution on what

666
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: you're doing. You're also getting opinions from people on perhaps

667
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: the way that you look. The other thing I want

668
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: to double click on is how have you navigated that

669
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: as you have gained more and more eyes over the years,

670
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: especially on ESPN.

671
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild, like hearing people's opinions.

672
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: What's the craziest thing someone's ever said to you that?

673
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean that I've been called like all the normal things,

674
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: like you're a DEI hire many different points about parts

675
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: of my body, like my ears, my chin, my nose,

676
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I didn't need Why are you even

677
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: looking at that? Like you know, there have been so

678
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: many things. You don't deserve this job.

679
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: You suck. You don't know anything about basketball. I hate

680
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: you get off my screen.

681
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: Like just anything that you could think of being said

682
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: to a person about hating them.

683
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: Has been said, which all of us get in this business.

684
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: It's part of it. Athletes deal with it, Analysts deal

685
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: with it. So many people. If you're in the public eye,

686
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: you deal with it. Yeah, like you're a clown. Hard

687
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: ours is one that's happened.

688
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: How do you deal with that? Honestly, I don't see

689
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: it anymore so for me, and it was hard. So

690
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: I had to.

691
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: I used to like read and respond to positive messages,

692
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: but in finding the positive messages, I would have to

693
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: read the negative ones. And so I had to just

694
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: decide that responding to, you know, the people that are

695
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: sending positive things wasn't worth for me viewing the negative things.

696
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: I never responded to the negativity, but even just viewing

697
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: it and seeing it was it takes a toll on you.

698
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: And so now, if I'm being honest, like my any

699
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: social media that I have, if I don't follow you,

700
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to see your message.

701
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: And so it's.

702
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: Unfortunate because I do feel like I miss out on

703
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: potentially connecting to people. Again, going back to connection, I

704
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: do miss out on some of that, but I haven't

705
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: gotten to a place where I can disconnect from someone's

706
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: very negative and usually like unreasonably negative opinion of me.

707
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm not able to separate the two yet I haven't.

708
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what it takes to be able.

709
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: To do that.

710
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: I don't have it, ye, So right now I just don't.

711
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: I don't see it anymore. And if I used to,

712
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: if I had a show, I would wait a while

713
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: then I would look at my messages.

714
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: And now I just I don't look at them at all.

715
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: To be honest, it's commendable for you to have this

716
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: level of awareness where you're like, this is what works

717
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: for me, this is what doesn't work for me, And

718
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter how that is perceived or right,

719
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: because you're doing what you need to show up and

720
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: do your job in a way that makes you proud.

721
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: I also am hearing you say that it enables and

722
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: empowers you to do your job well, to show up

723
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: and be present something that you've articulated is so important

724
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: to you. Yeah, And I honestly like it's.

725
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best way for me to have a

726
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: clear mind when I'm on air, Like even if I

727
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: and sometimes I think, well, I would love to respond

728
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: to positivity. And I'm so thankful for everyone that like

729
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: watches the show and wants to say something positive.

730
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: I love that.

731
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: My goal is like I can keep serving them by

732
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: just continuing to do good work, and I can continue

733
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: to do good work by not looking at these messages, right,

734
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: So the two things kind of go hand in hand.

735
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: So I hope anyone that has sent something positive just

736
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: know that I'm I'm receiving that in a way that's

737
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: just continuing to do my job and work hard. And

738
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: I try to encourage people like, if I'm ever somewhere,

739
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: just come up to me in person, because no one

740
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: comes up in person and says something negative. It's never

741
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: happened to me before. So I just try to encourage

742
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: people like, come up say something. If I'm ever in

743
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: a space with you, don't hesitate to come up and chat,

744
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: because if you're sending me a message, I'm not gonna

745
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: see it.

746
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna see it. You referenced the Big Three earlier.

747
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: Obviously a lot has shifted since Elle left being your

748
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: sidekick over there. How has that transition been for you

749
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: and what are you excited about in this next chapter?

750
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: It's been.

751
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: Honestly pretty seamless in a way because Christine.

752
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: We all knew when.

753
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: Elle was leaving, like even Elle included, like it just

754
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: made sense for it to be Christine, and Christine is incredible,

755
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: Like she's again, we're close friends me Her and Cheney,

756
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: same way we were with Elle.

757
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: In fact, all three of us were at Elle's house

758
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 2: like a.

759
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: Couple of weeks ago. So there's a friendship between all

760
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: of us. And so while it was sad like Elle leaving.

761
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: I was so happy for her to have this opportunity

762
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: and to have more time with her family and more

763
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: time with her kids, and it just seemed like such

764
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: a glaringly incredible opportunity for LL. And then Christine was

765
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: coming to join us, and so it's kind of like,

766
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: let's just keep it moving, like we keep going and

767
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: kind of honor l by continuing to have this fun,

768
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: infectious energy on air between the three of us. So

769
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: it's been it's been great. I'm excited to keep doing

770
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: work with Christine. It's only going to keep getting better,

771
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: just like with the Big Three. I feel like we

772
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: got better with time, and so I just think, you know,

773
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: this getting even better with time.

774
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking forward to. And the games are

775
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: still so good.

776
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: The players are so talented, Like we continue to have

777
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: such exciting content that they make the job really easy

778
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: for us in a way that it's like we don't

779
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: have to fabricate excitement. We're genuinely excited about everything that's

780
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: going on on the court, which also just makes the transition,

781
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, pretty easy.

782
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: This isn't the first time that I've heard you credit

783
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: the excellence of the players with making your job better.

784
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: I love that about you, and I think it's really

785
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: beautiful the way that you are continuously lifting up other

786
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: women around you, especially when many don't have that mindset,

787
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: Many don't necessarily believe that a rising tide raises all boats.

788
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: Where does that come from for you? Is that from

789
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: your team background? Probably?

790
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: I think just understanding the interconnectedness of everything, you know,

791
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: like we could have a great connection on air between

792
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: the analysts and between the hosts, but then the product

793
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: on the.

794
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: Floor is you know, kind of a drag or there

795
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: were we're like, oh, what do we want to talk about?

796
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't know right, But it's like everything works together,

797
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: Like our producer knows us so well, and she understands

798
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: the game, and we understand the game, and we understand

799
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: each other.

800
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: And the game's good.

801
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: So it's like we don't have to put in extra

802
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: work to make what we're discussing feel exciting, and that's

803
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: probably the best part. Like there could be some people

804
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: that work in a space and they're not passionate about.

805
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: The sport or the sport is good, but it's you know, the.

806
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: Talent level is low, and we don't have any of

807
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: those problems, you know, Like again, when you think about

808
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: just being present, I can just sit in studio next

809
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: to Cheney, next to Christine, Well you just watch the

810
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: games and stuff just pops out like it just it

811
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: just screams like, oh I want to talk about that,

812
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: Oh I want to talk about that, And yeah, it's

813
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: it's really it's fun like I would imagine it, like

814
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, writers have writer's block or an artist gets

815
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: stuck right because they don't have any inspiration. And it's

816
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: like we don't run into that because we're constantly seeing

817
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 1: players or plays or actions that we want to break

818
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: down and discuss. And even if it's being critical like

819
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: oh they need to do this better, it's still there's

820
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: excitement behind players having to make adjustments or coaches having

821
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: to make adjustments. So yeah, I just think the product

822
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: and the athlete that being good directly impacts our job

823
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: as well.

824
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: Back when you were playing basketball, you were the last

825
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: class to sign with Pat Summit, A pretty big legacy

826
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: to say the least. With that said, when you think

827
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: about what you're doing today, what is maybe a patism

828
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: if you will, that comes to mind for you when

829
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: you're thinking about showing up putting your best self forward

830
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 2: and really stepping up to any challenge.

831
00:41:54,320 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: Wow, there are so many patisms. Obviously, I don't know.

832
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: I think about, like again, this is just this is

833
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: this is crazy to think because I feel like we

834
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: just have this theme throughout our conversation of connecting. But

835
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, when I talked to Pat, she never made

836
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: me feel like she had somewhere else to be, or

837
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: she had something else to do, or she had something

838
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: else on her mind, or you know. I remember one

839
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: time Pat was they played the University of Georgia and

840
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: I stayed after to like chat with her, and there

841
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: was a line of people like waiting for her autograph,

842
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: and it was Tennessee fans, and there were ugier fans

843
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: like they're waiting.

844
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 2: To talk to her.

845
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: And I remember her people being like, you know, Pat,

846
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: you gotta go, you gotta go, we gotta go, and

847
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: her just being so gracious with her time and so

848
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: giving of her time. And so when I think about

849
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: like Pat's summit, making time for me, making time for others,

850
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, even when I think about she was head

851
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: coach of Meritis my freshman year and she was still

852
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: into offices at times, you know, during that time and

853
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: obviously had so much going on, and whenever I walked

854
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: into the office, it was like everything was put down

855
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: and she just was like, hey, how are you doing?

856
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, but just had time. And so I think,

857
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: I hope, you know, making time and being present and

858
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 1: having time and not feeling like what I had going

859
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: on was more important than what anyone else had going on,

860
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: because Pat never did that. I never saw that from her.

861
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: I never got that feeling from her. So just the

862
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: idea of yeah, everybody is important and everybody has value

863
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: is something that I hope to just carry with me

864
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: because I think Pat did a really good job of that,

865
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: and it's something that I appreciated a lot about her,

866
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: Like she's a legend and she had so.

867
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 2: Much going on, but you would never know it.

868
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: I think there are some people who love to talk

869
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: about how busy they are, you know, or talk about

870
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: that they don't have time, and it's like, you could

871
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: have spent the time talking about how you didn't have time,

872
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: giving the time that you just used talking about how

873
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: you don't have time. So I think that for me

874
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: stands out when I think about path beautifully put and

875
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: speaking of having the time, something that I personally loved

876
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: falling along with this year is your movement journey. I

877
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: might not be coaching Orange Deer anymore, but she's getting

878
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: in the gym.

879
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: Why is that important to you right now? And how

880
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: is that you taking care of you? I just love it.

881
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: I've always loved working out.

882
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: Like my teammates at Tennessee, you would probably tell you

883
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: they were annoyed with me because I didn't mind working out,

884
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: running extra sprints anything like that. It's always been so

885
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: important to me to be in shape, to push myself physically.

886
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: I think there's a connection to me, like when I

887
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: know I've pushed through a hard workout again, it kind

888
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: of goes back to just doing hard things. You can

889
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: put strain on your body and push through it and

890
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: see your weights go up in a certain category or

891
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: it's like a way of it's a way of achieving.

892
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: For me, it's a way of staying healthy and feeling

893
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: my best. It's time to myself, you know. Like now,

894
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: I feel really lucky too with just all the people

895
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: in my life. They know what's important to me. So

896
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: if I'm like, oh I'm going to work out.

897
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, great, there's no pushback right, like you know.

898
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: I remember one time, this was this was early on,

899
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: but Cheney and L wanted to go to dinner. This

900
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: had to be years ago, and I was feeling a

901
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: little anxious and I hadn't meditated that day and I

902
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: didn't work out that day, and they were.

903
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: Kind of like dra come on, come on, come on,

904
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, I'm going.

905
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: To meditate and do yoga, and they're like, okay, just immediately,

906
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: because they know how important that is to me. So

907
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: I think I feel my best when my workouts are consistent.

908
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: I feel my best when I know in my busy

909
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: time I've gotten five in. I feel my best when

910
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I know that I have one scheduled. It's just something

911
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: that I value. And I've learned that in sharing some

912
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: of this and being a little more open about it,

913
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: it's inspired some of my colleagues. It's inspired some of

914
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: my friends, like again, you can make time for what

915
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: you think is important. Working out is important to me.

916
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: I always make time for it, and so just hopefully

917
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: inspiring people that whatever is important to you, I hope

918
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: it's working out, just because heart health is important and

919
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: those things are important. But whatever you value, you can

920
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: make time for and.

921
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 2: That's that's working out for me. Yeah, you're surrounding yourself

922
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: with good people that hear something like I'm going to

923
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: do this for myself and don't get counteractive about it.

924
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: For sure. You mentioned meditation. What's that look like for

925
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: you these days? Meditation? It's amazing.

926
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: I can't again, just the even though you know sometimes

927
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: I don't read most messages, some get through, right it

928
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: could be a comment or something like that, And just

929
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: the ability to like take a deep breath and separate

930
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: like a thought from a feeling, from what I want

931
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: to do about this or if I'm anxious, being able

932
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 1: to use deep breathing or be fully present where I am.

933
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: It's so easy to get caught up in what I

934
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: just did or what I am supposed to do in

935
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: the future. Sure, so meditating for me, it just keeps

936
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: me present a lot of times right now when when

937
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm busy, it's meditating after boarding a flight, before a

938
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: flight takes off, meditating in an uber, when I'm on

939
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: the way to an airport, meditating sometimes if I'm walking

940
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: on a treadmill, I won't listen to music.

941
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: I'll just breathe.

942
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: So right now, meditating is a lot of doing it

943
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: wherever I am in my less busy time. It's you know,

944
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: sitting on the mat, being present for a really long time.

945
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: But right now, finding different areas in different places where

946
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: I can meditate in little moments.

947
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: That's that's what it looks like right now. I think

948
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: it's really beautiful that you can be the first to

949
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: say that it might not look how you thought that

950
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: it had to look at one point in your life.

951
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: Like some days you're going to make it to your mat,

952
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 2: but the other days you might be in the back

953
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: of an uber or you might be on a plane,

954
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: and like you recognize this is going to be something

955
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 2: that's good for me regardless, one hundred percent.

956
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: And I think I used to I don't only think

957
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: I could meditate, you know, sitting down and you know,

958
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: with my legs crossed and having a certain amount of time.

959
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: And now I've just realized there's so many different forms

960
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: of meditation. Listened to a lot of podcasts, I've read

961
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: a lot about it. But even if I'm you know,

962
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: in a space where I'm anxious and I can't close

963
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: my eyes, like right before a show, just counting different

964
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: things around me that are a certain color. That's like

965
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: being very much in the present moment right, and it

966
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: calms me down, and it's a way of meditating or

967
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: just listen saying like what do I hear right now?

968
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: What do I see right now? Do I smell anything

969
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 2: right now?

970
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: Like anything for me that brings me back to the

971
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: present is now what I consider meditating. So there are

972
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: times where like we're in a commercial break and I

973
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: might be just like looking around and I'm meditating. Right.

974
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to close my eyes on set because

975
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like jes asleep, but you know,

976
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: so I keep my eyes open, but again just being

977
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: really present and just or if it's a four count

978
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: of breath, my eyes are open, but I'm just taking

979
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: deep breaths. So my meditation journey has evolved and I've

980
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: found a lot of different ways to just make it

981
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: work for me. It's funny because when I was on

982
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: the plane the other day, I was doing this nostril

983
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: breathing and I think the flight attendant thought.

984
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: I was nauseous. She was like, are you okay? Like

985
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: it was gonna bring me. I was like, I'm meditating.

986
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. So yeah, some it might catch people off

987
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: guard sometimes, but it works for me. It's funny that

988
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: you brought up the color. Thing. That's actually something new

989
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: that I've been doing on my walks lately is trying

990
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: to be more cognizant of what's going on. And i

991
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: could be listening to a podcast still, but I'll pick

992
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: a color and I'll go out there and I'll just

993
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: look for punches of red. And it's one of those

994
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: moments if reds the color, that you realize it's everywhere

995
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: around you. You just have to take the moment to

996
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 2: be cognizant of that. It's kind of the same way

997
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: I feel like often walking around the city, I always

998
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: forget to look up above me, and there's so much

999
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: beauty up above me. But I have to be the

1000
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: person that says, all right, I'm going to choose to

1001
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: look up yes, one hundred percent or even two.

1002
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: Like I used to be someone that would eat standing up,

1003
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: like I would make food I would eat, or I would.

1004
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: Eat moving around.

1005
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: And so even now when I'm super busy or i

1006
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: feel like I'm in a busy time, I'll be like, okay,

1007
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: how I'm going to give myself a meditation. I'm just

1008
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: gonna sit and eat, and I'm gonna be mindful while

1009
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: I eat. Instead of walking around and eating, I'm gonna

1010
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,479
Speaker 1: make time to eat.

1011
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: Right.

1012
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: There's a quote actually that I think is really funny.

1013
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: It's like, meditate every day for ten minutes, except when

1014
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: you're busy, then meditate for twenty. So it's like, actually,

1015
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: when you're busier, find more time to meditate and give

1016
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: yourself some peace and be present. So I try to

1017
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: just weave meditating in through, you know, throughout my day

1018
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: and throughout my weeks and throughout these long stretches.

1019
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: It's so important. It's so important now every week, hundreds

1020
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: of thousands, millions of people see you on TV online.

1021
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: But when you look in the mirror, Drea, what is

1022
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: it that you see looking back at you? Wow, that's

1023
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: a deep question.

1024
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: I think I could take more time to look in

1025
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: the mirror and look at myself. And it's not something

1026
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: that I've done, like consciously. I can't remember the last

1027
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: time I've just like looked at myself. When I think

1028
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: about myself, I just think of, you know, someone that

1029
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: loves what I do, loves my people. I love the

1030
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: role that I have in certain people's lives, and I

1031
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: feel very motivated for them, my siblings in particular, But.

1032
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

1033
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: I haven't given myself time to really look in the

1034
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: mirror on this on this stretch. Like I think I

1035
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: looked in the mirror when I gave up basketball and

1036
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 1: was like, what are you going to do? Maybe looked

1037
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: in the mirror when I went full time and I

1038
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: was like, you're an analyst. This is great. But I

1039
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: haven't looked in the mirror in a long time. I

1040
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: know I feel good, but I don't know what I

1041
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: see you when I look at myself just yet. But

1042
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: maybe after the Final four I'll take some time to

1043
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: do that.

1044
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing because I think a lot of

1045
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 2: people hear that and they might think the same exact thing.

1046
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: Almost the last time, I just stopped and looked and

1047
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 2: asked myself, how am I really feeling about myself when

1048
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: I'm by myself? What is that that I see looking

1049
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: back at me? You bring up this. I really love

1050
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: the people that I work with, and I love the

1051
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: people that are around me. It's really special and irrefutable

1052
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: that three women covering basketball in the way that you

1053
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: guys get to cover basketball on this platform is like

1054
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: I said, just so special. What does that opportunity really

1055
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 2: mean to you? Drea? It means the world?

1056
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: And I think too, like when you say three women,

1057
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: I think the best part is it's three women that

1058
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: get to be themselves, Like we are our full selves

1059
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: on air and we get to show our personalities and

1060
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: we get to laugh, and we get to have jokes,

1061
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: and we get to, you know, maybe make a mistake

1062
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: and then fix it or counter each other. And I

1063
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: think showing our friendship in an authentic way, showing our

1064
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: love for the game in an authentic way, like we

1065
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: don't have to be on air pretending to be anything else.

1066
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: We just get to be ourselves.

1067
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: And I hope it inspires other young girls, young women,

1068
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: young people in general, Like when they see us, I

1069
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: hope they think like, oh, I don't have to fit

1070
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: a mold either. She's different and she's different and she's

1071
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: different and they're different, and look it works. So I

1072
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: hope that people are inspired by that when they watch us,

1073
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: like they see like, oh, I can be on air

1074
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: and be just myself. But it's it means the world

1075
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: to me. And again to do it at such a

1076
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: pivotal time and such a time of growth, and to

1077
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: have the opportunity that we have to just watch these

1078
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: athletes do just incredible things out there on the court,

1079
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: and you know, see businesses and and see dollar Signs

1080
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: go up and see just the value to be alongside

1081
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: such a huge point of growth.

1082
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: I think it's something that we don't take lightly.

1083
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: I can speak for all of us, you know, we

1084
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: take it lightly, and it means a lot.

1085
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: In order to be her, You've got to see her,

1086
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of little girls looking at you

1087
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: and being like I can be her. You said dollar Signs.

1088
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: Got to talk about it. Who was the first person

1089
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: you called when you probably woke up and saw that

1090
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: the CBA was a go? Well, the first thing, like

1091
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 2: it was in our group chat for sure.

1092
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: You know obviously Cheney, you know, Neka did so much

1093
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: work and the you know, the executive committee in general

1094
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: and the players and they did so much work on it.

1095
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was that was the first conversation in

1096
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: the group chat about it.

1097
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: And it's it's so exciting, like.

1098
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: I can't even I don't even know how my energy

1099
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: for these players can't be contained. Just I think there's

1100
00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: value in feeling valued, and value in be being paid

1101
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: what you feel like you're worth and not what other

1102
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: people say that you're worth. So I'm so happy for

1103
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: all the players in the w and you know, just

1104
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: their opportunity and the way that they stood on what

1105
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: they believed and to me, like when I see the

1106
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: different posts from different players and I see their excitement

1107
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: about it, that's where I'm like.

1108
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: This is awesome, Like they feel good about it. That's

1109
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 2: that's the best thing.

1110
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's it's historical, it's really cool.

1111
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: It's really cool. You have a job that a lot

1112
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: of people would love to have. But are there moments

1113
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 2: where you're sitting behind the desk, you're standing up on air,

1114
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: and you're thinking that you'd rather be on the other

1115
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: side of the screen, you'd rather be on the court.

1116
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: I haven't had that thought on air.

1117
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: I think when I am on air, I'm so again present. Yeah,

1118
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm like doing my research or I'm watching film,

1119
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: I'll see a player do a move and I'm like,

1120
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: that would be so cool to be able to do that,

1121
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 1: like to you know, or do something on the court,

1122
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 1: and their their skill level is beyond anything. I got

1123
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: close to, and I'm like, oh, like, if being a

1124
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: basketball player was your profess, my profession and all I

1125
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: got to do, not all I got to do, but

1126
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: you know, my main job was to figure out how

1127
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: to elevate my game and add creativity to my game.

1128
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: Of course that would be so cool.

1129
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: But then I remind myself, like I clearly wasn't meant

1130
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: to play basketball, but I was meant to talk about it.

1131
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: So the appreciation for what they're doing as I watch it,

1132
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: I just try to pivot that to when I talk

1133
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: about it, you know, like even it's such a small thing,

1134
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: but in the South Carolina USC game that happened recently,

1135
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: like a got mechere top blocked Jesse Davidson. It made

1136
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: her go baseline and like I can vividly remember like

1137
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: jumping in front of somebody to make them go another way.

1138
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: And it's such a.

1139
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: Small thing, but I missed it when I watched it.

1140
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: We weren't on air yet, the game was happening. We

1141
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: were gonna come on at halftime, and like I felt that,

1142
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: and so that's what I talked about a halftime because

1143
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: it translates the best when I feel that way. So yeah,

1144
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: when i'm prepping or when I'm studying and i'm watching,

1145
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I miss it. And then when I

1146
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: get to talk about it, it's it's almost like reliving

1147
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: it because I'm describing it, and as I'm describing it,

1148
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm almost imagining it, So it's like I'm playing it again.

1149
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: That's the best way I can explain it.

1150
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm definitely miss playing basketball. But the next

1151
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: best thing that I could ever do is talking about

1152
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: it and talking about it with passion and energy.

1153
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: So hopefully that translates. It translates, it definitely translates. I

1154
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: feel like I've been hiding something from you for the

1155
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: last fifty six minutes, and that it's that I'm a

1156
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: Yukon grad and so I just want you to know

1157
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: that I'm personally excited about your pick to when the tournament. Yeah.

1158
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I feel like all jokes aside,

1159
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: Yukon is incredible. Yukon is also sometimes I don't know

1160
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: if I love to admit this, but I grew up

1161
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: in Georgia.

1162
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: I grew up in Gwinnette.

1163
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: I had some training sessions and my dad would take

1164
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: me to watch Maya More play all the time.

1165
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: Maya is someone I consider a friend.

1166
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: She's been on our show before and I've been on

1167
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: a flight with her before, and like, she's so cool.

1168
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: But she was one of my favorite players ever. Growing up,

1169
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: we got a dog and I was like listening to

1170
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: dog Maya because I loved Maya so much. I don't

1171
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: know if I've told her that before, but like so

1172
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: Maya and then her career at Yukon. Yukon was also

1173
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: in my top three. Shay Ralph has a really funny

1174
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 1: story recruiting me to Yukon. It ended up being too

1175
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: far away from my nana. I wanted my nana to

1176
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: be able to come to my games and my family

1177
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: and things like that. But I to what most people

1178
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: might not agree with, I grew up like it was

1179
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Yukon and those were like my two favorite schools.

1180
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: So no hard feelings about you being a Yukon grad.

1181
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: And congratulations on your team who has a really strong

1182
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: chances to me winning.

1183
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: The title, So you should feel really good as you

1184
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: are hoping for it. We're hoping for it, yeah, for sure.

1185
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: The other day, Maya's like calling the game and in

1186
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: the most like bland, like not enthusiastic voice. She just goes,

1187
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: I think they're going to fut around and find out

1188
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: I was just like losing it, Like is just she

1189
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: cracks me up, She cracks me out.

1190
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's I mean, yeah legend, Like when you think

1191
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: about Maya more, you're just like, yeah, legends.

1192
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: And I mean not gonna lie. Drea, like that's come

1193
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: in for you and clearly because to circle back to

1194
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: where we started, you're again a two time emerging on

1195
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: air talent nominee. Not everyone gets this on her.

1196
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: You can emerge, and you can. I'm like, does it

1197
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: mean I disappeared and emerged again? Or like did I

1198
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,959
Speaker 1: emerge and then flatau and then emerge? You know what,

1199
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna overthink it. I'm very thankful. It's yeah

1200
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: again like a testament to my colleagues and the athletes.

1201
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: So it's really cool, and new new opportunities have opened up.

1202
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: Like from twenty twenty three the analyst that I was

1203
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: then and what I was doing then, I'm doing some

1204
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: of the same things, but a lot has happened since

1205
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, So it's cool.

1206
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm honored and thank you. Home Stretch. What are you

1207
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: most excited about right now? What am I most excited about?

1208
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm like thinking about life. Yeah, I know. I like

1209
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: that you're thinking about life and you don't just immediately

1210
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: tell me it's the tournament.

1211
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I am very excited for the final four. I'm

1212
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: excited to be on the road. Honestly, Usually for SWE

1213
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: sixteen and Elite eight we're in the studio in Bristol,

1214
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: and this year we get to be in the arena,

1215
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: so that's cool. That's new, and like being there to

1216
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: see the teams. They get to go to the final four.

1217
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

1218
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: So that I'm excited for I'm really I'm also excited.

1219
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: I have six younger siblings, so Ali, Zoe, kurt On on

1220
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: my mom's side, and then James and Chloe are on

1221
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: my biological dad's side, And I'm just really excited.

1222
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: They're all different.

1223
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: Ages, like they range. I'm the oldest, but I'm really

1224
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: excited for them. Like as I was thinking about life,

1225
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking about them, and they're just doing cool things,

1226
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 1: Like Ali and Zoe are.

1227
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: Out of college.

1228
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: Curtis finishing college, James just started at a junior college.

1229
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: He's running track. Shavon's a senior Chloe's about to be

1230
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: in eighth grade. So they're all in like.

1231
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: These pivotal years.

1232
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: It feels like where they're either starting something or they're

1233
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: moving into a new phase of their life. So I'm

1234
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: really excited for them, and I'm really I don't talk

1235
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: about them very often.

1236
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: I don't really put them on my social media.

1237
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: I don't want them to like get any type of

1238
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: anything as a result of me. It's terms of like,

1239
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, backlash or I don't know. People can

1240
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: just be kind of weird sometimes. But I love them

1241
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: so much, and so when you asked what I was

1242
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: excited for, they were the first thing that popped into

1243
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: my head. And I'm just excited to see them grow.

1244
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: Like I remember them as kids and babies, and they're

1245
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: like all becoming young adults, and I'm really excited to

1246
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 1: just be in their lives and watch them figure out

1247
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: figure out life well.

1248
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: And you reflect so beautifully about so many of the

1249
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: things that were going on in your life during so

1250
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: many of these key moments for all of them, So

1251
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: to think about that, to think about that so much

1252
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 2: goodness is ahead of them, of course you're excited.

1253
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so like and just to be here for them.

1254
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: And you know, like I so many different things that

1255
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: I do. I get to meet so many people that

1256
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: I you know, like my my brother wants to get

1257
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: into cybersecurity.

1258
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 2: And I happen to be.

1259
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: On a flight one time and this guy that is

1260
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: this founder of this huge cybersecurity company, he mentioned it

1261
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: to the flight attendant and I just chased him down

1262
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: after the flight. I was like, hey, sorry, but I

1263
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: heard you're in cybersecurity.

1264
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: Can I have your information?

1265
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: Like so, just being able to connect them to people

1266
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: and just watch them grow and flourish and hopefully help

1267
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: open doors for them.

1268
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's cool, of course. Yeah. I'm

1269
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: really excited.

1270
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: There's such there's such like cool kids too, Like they're

1271
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: just they're all really different and they're all really cool.

1272
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: So I like not to brag, but they're really cool. Cool.

1273
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1274
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: There's a final question for you today, Drea. Right now,

1275
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice.

1276
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: You know what. I want to bring it back to

1277
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: when you were in the place where you thought like

1278
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: I'm ready to hang up my shoes here, this isn't

1279
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: working for me. That moment when the China told you

1280
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: you got to go all in. It's gonna be hard

1281
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: knowing what you know. Now, what would you tell yourself

1282
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 2: during that hurdle moment? Yeah, big hurdle.

1283
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: I probably would have told I would tell myself now

1284
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: to start meditating sooner, because it's truly been life changing.

1285
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: And I would probably also just tell myself to enjoy

1286
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: it a little bit more like. I think I wanted

1287
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: it so badly, and I know I loved pursuing it,

1288
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: but I think I pursued it sometimes in a way

1289
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: that was like I have to have it and I

1290
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: want it, and it was almost like this tension, And

1291
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: so I think I would have told myself to like,

1292
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: let go.

1293
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: A little bit and enjoy it a little bit more like.

1294
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: I think back to that journey, and I did love

1295
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: it and I had so much fun, but I think

1296
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: I could have enjoyed it even more and actually taking

1297
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: it in now I can take it in in hindsight

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Speaker 1: and reflection, and there's so many things that stand out

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Speaker 1: to me about that time, different segments I did, and

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Speaker 1: different things that producers let me try, and different moments

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Speaker 1: with my colleagues like Alyssa Lange and I had a

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Speaker 1: football show we talked about We had our own football

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Speaker 1: show where the two of us we're talking about football.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to be so good at it. And

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Speaker 1: now I look back and I'm like, that was so

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Speaker 1: much fun. And I don't know if it felt fun

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Speaker 1: at the time, because I want wanted to be perfect

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to get it right. So I think

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Speaker 1: I would tell myself, meditate, and enjoy it a little

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Speaker 1: bit more would be my two biggest things.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy it a little bit more, be present, and then

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Speaker 2: you've got it on lock Andrea Carter so happy that

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Speaker 2: we were able to do this today. For those that

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Speaker 2: aren't following along with you at Jesse yet, give me

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Speaker 2: the deats. Where do they find you online? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Andrea Underscore Carter on everything and it's a N D

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Speaker 1: R A.

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Speaker 2: Y A beautiful. I'm over at Emily Body and at

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Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time