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Speaker 3: Today. I am sitting down with Aaron Longen. She's the

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Speaker 4: How are we doing Erin?

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Speaker 2: Good, doing very well. Happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to have you. Not all that long ago

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Speaker 4: What's going on in the world of Erin right now?

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Speaker 4: How are we feeling good?

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Speaker 1: at Puma five other people say, oh my god, she

443
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Speaker 1: messaged me too. So you know, I do think there

444
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: is something about you know, if you you can't do

445
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 1: that with fifteen jobs, and also you don't want to

446
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 1: do that, right, But if you really have your heart

447
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: set on a certain brand or a certain company, there's

448
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 1: a way to show them that, right And I think

449
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: some people have done that, and it's really it's really

450
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Speaker 1: stood out to me.

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Speaker 3: It's super interesting that sentiment because I think that common

452
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 3: mentality really is, well, I don't want to bother them,

453
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Speaker 3: but yeah that I respond, what's the worst that's going

454
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Speaker 3: to happen? And you're going to be exactly where you

455
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: are right now without the job. Right, So, if you

456
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 3: can do your best to advocate for yourself, clearly it's

457
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Speaker 3: going to do something, whether or not you know it's

458
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Speaker 3: the desired outcome, it's better than nothing.

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Speaker 1: I think so, And if you do it in a

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Speaker 1: respectful and kind way, and you know, back off if

461
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Speaker 1: someone asked you to back off. Definitely not suggesting to

462
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Speaker 1: harass anybody, but you know, I do think working your connections,

463
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Speaker 1: you know, and then and then that perseverance can really help.

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Speaker 4: Let's get back to it.

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Speaker 3: One of the biggest reasons that I wanted to have

491
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Speaker 3: you come on the show is because I just so

492
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: admire not only the perseverance that you've had, but the

493
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Speaker 3: dedication that you have to your career. I know that

494
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Speaker 3: I hate when individuals interview other women, especially women that

495
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: interview other women, and they're like, how do you do

496
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Speaker 3: it all? Because that's a question that no one would

497
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Speaker 3: ever ask a man, right, But I really look at

498
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: you and I'm like, Wow, it's so impressive to hear

499
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: you talk about trying to find the time for yourself,

500
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Speaker 3: being honest about the fact that it doesn't always happen,

501
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: being a mother to three children, and then also being

502
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Speaker 3: on the higher ups over at Puma. So when I

503
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: say that to you and kind of bring that full circle,

504
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 3: how does that make you feel?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think I have gotten that question a lot, and

507
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Speaker 1: I think I'm careful not to set some unrealistic, you know, standard,

508
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: because I struggle to do it all. You know what,

509
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's hard. I think it's hard

510
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: for women for sure, but it's hard for men too

511
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Speaker 1: that are trying to juggle a lot of things. And

512
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Speaker 1: I think that my decisions have always been that I

513
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: wanted to have a career and I wanted to have

514
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Speaker 1: a family, right, and those two things are very hard

515
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Speaker 1: to balance, for sure, And there's a lot of guilt,

516
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of prioritizing, and it's like it's

517
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Speaker 1: a daily struggle. But I still choose that because because

518
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Speaker 1: having that balance in my life is what brings me happiness.

519
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Speaker 1: And I personally think it sets a good family dynamic

520
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Speaker 1: and a good example for my boys to see their mom,

521
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, contributing and working in that way. So again,

522
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's right for everybody, but it's what

523
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Speaker 1: felt right for me. But it's a it's a constant,

524
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Speaker 1: you know, every day it's okay today, what do I

525
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Speaker 1: need to do?

526
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Speaker 2: Right?

527
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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has this What do I need to

528
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Speaker 1: do most today? What's the most important?

529
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Speaker 2: You know?

530
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Speaker 1: Where am I going to have to cut? Who am

531
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Speaker 1: I going to have to disappoint? I mean, those are

532
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Speaker 1: the that's the reality of the daily decisions. You know

533
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: what a strong question. Who am I going to disappoint?

534
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Speaker 2: Am I going to disappoint?

535
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Speaker 1: Do I have to push out these three meetings people

536
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Speaker 1: I said I would sit with. Do I have to

537
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Speaker 1: not attend, you know, my boys basketball game? Or you know,

538
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: there's going to be something like there's going to be

539
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Speaker 1: something where you're like, oh, I can't. I can't get

540
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Speaker 1: to it all In that way, it's not easy, but

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Speaker 1: I try not to focus on those parts as much

542
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Speaker 1: as what did I accomplish today?

543
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Speaker 2: You know?

544
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Speaker 1: And really I think having all of this sort of

545
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to juggle has made me in a

546
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Speaker 1: way better on both sides, because I can prioritize better

547
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Speaker 1: now than I think I could have, you know, ten

548
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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, and I can put my energy where

549
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: it matters on both sides, and I think in that

550
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Speaker 1: way have better impact really both as a mom and

551
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Speaker 1: also you know, in my role at PUMA.

552
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Speaker 3: I also believe that it's having our reasonable expectation of

553
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: yourself and then also surrounding yourself with people that know

554
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 3: that you have the best intentions and that is all

555
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: that you can do is the best with what you have,

556
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 3: right because if you surround yourself with people that know

557
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Speaker 3: that you're doing the best you can with what you have,

558
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Speaker 3: then there isn't going to be a blame game moment.

559
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Speaker 3: It's like, no, this is how it is now, this

560
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: is how it is today, and we're going to show

561
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Speaker 3: up and try to show up again tomorrow and do

562
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Speaker 3: the best we can with that as well.

563
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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 1: And we always say that you know, about progress and

565
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: not perfection. I take that really to heart because I

566
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: think if we can just do better, if we can

567
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: improve things, you know, if we can move the needle

568
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: a bit every day, I mean, that's what we're going for,

569
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Speaker 1: both in personal life but also you know, in professional life.

570
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: And I think if people set their expectations too high,

571
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Speaker 1: then they're going to really struggle and have that overwhelming

572
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Speaker 1: feeling of failure, you know. So I think I think

573
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Speaker 1: it is about flexibility and just about being kind to yourself.

574
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Speaker 1: It's okay, you know, you tried your hardest, Like you said,

575
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Speaker 1: you surround yourself with people that can see that, and

576
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Speaker 1: you do the best you can.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

578
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: So remind me how old is your oldest son.

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Speaker 1: My oldest is eleven. They're two years apart, so they're

580
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Speaker 1: eleven nine and seven.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so five years give or take into your time

582
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Speaker 3: at Puma, you had your first child. And at that point,

583
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: did you know, like I definitely want to keep doing

584
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Speaker 3: both of these things or do did you ever have

585
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Speaker 3: any doubts?

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Speaker 1: No, I knew I always wanted to work, for sure.

587
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Speaker 1: It really never crossed my mind any other way. I

588
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Speaker 1: think it was instilled in me in a young age

589
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Speaker 1: that like, you do really well in school. I tried

590
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Speaker 1: to get really good grades in school, you go to college,

591
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: you get a good job, and like that's your life path.

592
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Speaker 2: So I didn't really question that.

593
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Speaker 1: And I always, again was surrounded by women that were

594
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Speaker 1: working and contributing, so I really didn't consider something else

595
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Speaker 1: for myself. And I think, you know, faced with things

596
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: like the cost of child's care, like there's a lot

597
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: of reasons to stop working, right, But I just knew

598
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Speaker 1: that for me, I loved working.

599
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Speaker 2: I loved having a career.

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Speaker 1: I liked being part of the business world, and I

601
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Speaker 1: didn't think i'd be personally as happy if I gave

602
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Speaker 1: that up. So I guess I always thought I would

603
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Speaker 1: just keep going. And I remember my maternity leave with

604
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Speaker 1: something horribly short with the first kid because the laws

605
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: weren't the same as they are now. And I took

606
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: like maybe maximum three months or even less and came back.

607
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean so sleep deprived with a completely messy infant,

608
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Speaker 1: tried to get back into work, but there was no

609
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Speaker 1: other option.

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Speaker 2: I was coming back, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I was going to ask you what was the

612
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: biggest hurdle in that transitionary time for you?

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00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think learning how to juggle both right,

614
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: just trying to like figure it out. I mean it

615
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: was crazy with nursing and trying to figure out how

616
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Speaker 1: to be a mom and have a bit, you know,

617
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: a baby and still succeed at work. I think it's

618
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: it's so hard for new parents, I mean moms and dads.

619
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Speaker 1: You know, that first kid is like whoa, what just happened?

620
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: You know, everything changes. So I think now, you know,

621
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Speaker 1: managing a team of people, I'm really conscious of that

622
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: and just the what people have to juggle, it can

623
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Speaker 1: be a lot. And I think being part of a

624
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: German company you can see that. Actually in Europe people

625
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: get a lot longer leave. You know, it's quite different

626
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: than it is here in the US. So we live

627
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: here and obviously we have to deal with the laws

628
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: and benefits here, but I think there's just bringing that

629
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Speaker 1: compassion to the team of like, hey, you've got to

630
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: stay home this afternoon, You've got things to deal with.

631
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Speaker 2: I mean, of course, right.

632
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: So again doing the best you can with what you have,

633
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: and like showing up to your team with that level

634
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 3: of compassion, I'm sure is something that's gratefully appreciated, you know,

635
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Speaker 3: within the realms of flexibility as the year's been on

636
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: and you ebbed and flowed into different roles as you

637
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Speaker 3: reflect on your journey thus far at Puma, do you

638
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: have a role or an era if we want to

639
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: call it, that maybe was your favorite.

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Speaker 1: I mean this one by far. I've been in this

641
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: role now since twenty nineteen. I oversee now the Running

642
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: and Training you know, business unit here at Puma, which

643
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: is the product creation team for both the running category

644
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: and the training category, all the apparel and footwear. And

645
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: I think when I started in twenty nineteen, I was

646
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: already within the team, but kind of moved up a

647
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: level to oversee it. And I remember at the time

648
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: our CEO said, you know, now, with you in this role,

649
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: I want you to take on the task of relaunching

650
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: running for the brand. So it wasn't just moving into

651
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: a role that had things going and kind of maintaining.

652
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: It was like, you need to relook at the entire category, reshape.

653
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: It set an entirely new strategy. So I remember at

654
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: the time it felt really overwhelming but also exciting. Now

655
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: I am four years into that journey and we're seeing now,

656
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, it takes years to figure out what we're

657
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: going to do bring that product to market. Now we're

658
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: a couple of years in and we're constantly refining it,

659
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: you know, and building it. So I think it's been

660
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Speaker 1: It's been definitely the most exciting part of my career

661
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Speaker 1: and the most challenging at the same time.

662
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

663
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: I mean, someone hears the words like I oversee like

664
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: development of new product, and it's like, okay, how does

665
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: one even oversee? How do you know how to create?

666
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: Who do you talk to when you want to change

667
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: a shoelace? Like, There's so many things that you had

668
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: to learn over time to excel not only within this role,

669
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: but of course the role's previous to this one.

670
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: For you.

671
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: Now, when you typically explain, like what happens in a

672
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: day to day. Give us some examples of the things

673
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: that you have your hands in.

674
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: I know, nobody knows what I do. I may have

675
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: no idea.

676
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: They're like, just grab it all. Design the shoes. I'm like, no,

677
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a designer. I mean right now, I oversee

678
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: kind of the general strategy of the of the categories.

679
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: So that's from the product that we create, you know,

680
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: where we basically want to focus around the world to

681
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: sell the product the stories that we want to tell.

682
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: So really, how is.

683
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: A brand we want to show up in the world

684
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: of running or show up in the world training. My

685
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: team here consists of a couple different roles. There's product managers,

686
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: which set the basically the strategy for the product range.

687
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: So they'll decide exactly what we're talking about shoes, what

688
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: prices do they need to be, what type of benefits

689
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: do they need to have? You know, they'll kind of

690
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: decide that range. Architecture designers who then will take that

691
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: direction and they'll actually design the shoe.

692
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: That's the most obvious role.

693
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: We work closely with developers who then figure out how

694
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: to turn you know, a design into a three dimensional

695
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: actual product. With our partnership with our Asia sourcing team,

696
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: and then we have marketing people who then say, Okay,

697
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: now we've created this product, how are we going to

698
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: tell the consumer?

699
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: How are we going to bring it to life?

700
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: And that's for of course, just one item, but we're

701
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: creating an entire range of products across footwear apparel that

702
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: all needs to work together.

703
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 4: There So no, there's nothing going on. It's basically what

704
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: you're saying.

705
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: Much so in any given day you could have a

706
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 3: be in meetings or the myriad of those people weighing, in, strategizing,

707
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: et cetera.

708
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, And we work on kind of two different

709
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: calendars a year. We do a spring summer season and

710
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: we do an autumn holiday season, so that's sort of

711
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: the cadence. So everything does go on a bit of

712
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: a calendar or process. Right. It's not a total free

713
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: for all, but there's a lot that comes up and

714
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: we want to be able to chase opportunities. Or we'll

715
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: see something from the competition and we want to have

716
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: our solution, or you know, we'll come up with a

717
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: new technology that we want to bring to market quick,

718
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: or we'll sign a new athlete and there's a new

719
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: opportunity that they brought to us. So there's a lot

720
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: that we do outside of the normal process, but the majority,

721
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: because we're a very large brand, does run on a

722
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: product development calendar.

723
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: For those that aren't aware, give us some insight into

724
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: how long it's takes from perhaps conception to release of

725
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: a shoe.

726
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 4: How far in advance are you working right now?

727
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean we're on average eighteen months. There's some more

728
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: highly technical products that we start earlier because they need

729
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: a lot more testing and validation, And then there's some

730
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: opportunities that we can chase a lot faster, certainly reacting

731
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: with color graphics, things we could do closer to market, right.

732
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: But then highly technical new foam development or a new

733
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: propulsion plate like some of those technology advancements take much longer.

734
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: But the majority of our product line is eighteen months, right.

735
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: And so you also mentioned working closely with marketing. We're

736
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: talking about how these products are coming to life, what

737
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 3: the consumer is seeing when they finally do a big

738
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: part of Puma's strategy over the last few years, which

739
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: I'm certainly on board with, is getting behind a lot

740
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: of really badass women, specifically within the running space, but

741
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: also bigger than that.

742
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: Chat with me a little bit about why that's important

743
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 4: to you.

744
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, Puma's always been a brand

745
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: that supports female athletes and really all athletes, right, we

746
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: kind of have this idea everybody that wants to play

747
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: can play, and we want to make sure to enable

748
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: access to sports. So we don't just do that in running.

749
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: But as we were relaunching running, we said, this is

750
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: the perfect time to make sure that from the start

751
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: we cater to the female runner. And that was really

752
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: a bit different than how the industry was set up

753
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: previously because one, if you look back even twenty years ago,

754
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: participants in races, marathons, it was very heavy male, male dominated, right,

755
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: male driven. But we saw that really change consumer participation

756
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: in registered races now I think in twenty eighteen was

757
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty and now more women than men are

758
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: actually registering for races, so a huge change in twenty years.

759
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: So first, the consumer engagement really shifted to be predominantly

760
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: female glow, but the industry really hadn't caught up. The

761
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: way the industry previously was making shoes was always starting

762
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: with the male runner first, and that was through prototyping

763
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: only in men's sizes, and then once it was tested

764
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: and ready, opening up the rest of the sizes, right,

765
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 1: we would say, shrinking it down to female sizes. We've

766
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: made sure that as we relaunched and running that we

767
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: treat it differently. So every new shoe we create, we

768
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: open in both men's and women's sizes from the start

769
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: so that we can test and validate on males and

770
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: females both in our labs and then you know, taking

771
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: out for wear testing as well. So that's one way

772
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: we test on both genders. We learn and we adjust

773
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: based on the input. And then also the foot shape

774
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: is actually different. There's slight differences between a male foot

775
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: and a female foot, and what creates the shape of

776
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: the shoe is something called the last. It's basically a form,

777
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: and the form in the industry was always based on

778
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: the male foot, right, and then just sides down for women.

779
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: But what we've done now is we have two different

780
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: forms or lasts. We have a male one based on

781
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: the male foot, and we have a female based on

782
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: the female foot. And the female foot typically is a

783
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: little bit narrower in the heel and a slightly wider

784
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: in the forefoot. So we have now created basically a

785
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: fit for our shoes, for all of our running shoes

786
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: for women based on the female foot, which we think

787
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: is going to just bring her more comfort, you know,

788
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: for all of her running needs. So between the way

789
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: we are fitting our products and the way we're testing

790
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: our products, we're fully focusing on women. And then you

791
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: asked about athletes, we had the chance as well to say,

792
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: what's our athlete approach going to be?

793
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: You know, who are we going to sign?

794
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: And that's kind of a nice thing of starting from scratch, right,

795
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: we could define that and we said, let's support women.

796
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: Let's support female runners, you know, from your everyday runner

797
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: through offering products that are better for her and then

798
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: the elite athletes as well. Right, and let's also support

799
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: women at all different phases of their journey.

800
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: Right.

801
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: We just had a great comeback story with Vivian in Paris,

802
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: right where she had been out for two years having

803
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: i think her second baby, came back trained really hard,

804
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, and ended up on the podium in Paris.

805
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: Edna as well, aDNA kipleigat another amazing accomplishment recently, another

806
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: woman who had been running marathons for a long time.

807
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: Takes some time off to have kids and came back.

808
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: So it's about new of course, younger elite athletes, and

809
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: then also women who have been doing this a while

810
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: and still deserve support from brands. So we took that

811
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: decision to really focus on women within our athlete portfolio

812
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: from the start.

813
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love that.

814
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember, I think it was maybe three

815
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: years ago at the Boston Marathon weekend, I did a

816
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: sit down with Annie Frisbee and Dakota Lendworm. And now

817
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: to see Dakota heading to a Paris for the Olympics,

818
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: it's so cool to to really watch that evolution, not

819
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: just within her as an athlete, but to see a

820
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: brand support someone as they're working toward whatever it is

821
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: that their potential is at any given moment.

822
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

823
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I mean we can't talk about, you know,

824
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: female athletes without mentioning Molly's Seidel too, right. So she

825
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: was one of the first, if not the first, who

826
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: we were able to convince to come over to our

827
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: brand when we were I mean we didn't even have

828
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: I think we had prototypes of product made, and we

829
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: showed her and we said, we promised it's going to

830
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: be really great product.

831
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 2: We have amazing technology, you know, and.

832
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: She was obviously picking up a lot of heat, and

833
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: she was really gaining quite a following and some major accomplishments,

834
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: and and she sort of took that leap with us

835
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: and then went on to win Bronze and Tokyo, So

836
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, she took a swing and joined U and

837
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: then a lot of these athletes followed, and I think

838
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: she really helped to build that confidence out there.

839
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: As a female leader at your company. What would you

840
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: say is your biggest piece of advice to other women

841
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: that are really working to kind of climbing that proverbial

842
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: corporate ladder.

843
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: Oh God, that is such a hard question. What I

844
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: say to people is to try to find areas that

845
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: you can really add value, which sounds so obvious, right,

846
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: But I think it's not enough now to just check

847
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: the box of your job tasks, right, because there's a

848
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: lot of people that do a good job. If you

849
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: really want to climb, you have to find ways to

850
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: go above and beyond. You have to think outside the

851
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: box and take that initiative. And I think Puma has

852
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: this unique environment where you can actually drive change if

853
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: you take a hold of something and you go and

854
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: you could be at my level doing it, or you

855
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: could be three weeks into the company with that type

856
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: of attitude and that type of approach, and people will

857
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: give you space to do it, you know, if you

858
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: really come organized and with a plan that can drive impact.

859
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: And I think it goes back to prioritizing too, right,

860
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: like finding those things that it's not just showing up

861
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: to work from you know whatever, it is nine to

862
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: five every day, but it's really trying to find where

863
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: you can drive change. Because even though this is a

864
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: big brand, if you think of it like a small brand,

865
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: you really want the people around who are going to

866
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: make a difference. And it's so obvious and simple, but

867
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: male or female, I mean, that's the way to move up.

868
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: Can you give an example of a time where you

869
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 3: felt as though you had a really crazy idea and

870
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: it ended up being the idea that everyone got on

871
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: board with.

872
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I think that happened within the first

873
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: couple months that I was in the brand. I remember

874
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: going to my boss and just making a nice suggestion

875
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: about a different way we could do something at a

876
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: key meeting, and she's like, oh, yeah, that's great, let's

877
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: do that. And I was like, wait, that's it, Like,

878
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: we're just going to do it now. She's like, yeah,

879
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: that's a great idea, We'll just do it that way.

880
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: And it changed, you know, the process of the milestone

881
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: for all the teams. And I was like, oh my god,

882
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: this is so embarrassing. I've only been here a couple

883
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 1: of weeks. But I realized that was the culture. People

884
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: were okay with that. They were like, oh, great idea, Yeah,

885
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: we'll do it that way. And I think that's something

886
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: that for me, I've loved because there's that openness here

887
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: that is not the case that a lot of other brands.

888
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: It's very structured, it's very set, often in their ways.

889
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: Right.

890
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: We know, I know a lot of people in this

891
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: industry and it's harder to make change. You would need

892
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: sign offs from six levels of managers to change a

893
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: meeting like that, right, and Puma doesn't operate like that.

894
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: We're now a bit.

895
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: More structured than sixteen years ago because our brand has

896
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: what quadruple in size since since when I joined, So

897
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: of course we had to add some infrastructure, but we've

898
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: never lost that spirit. And you know, I say that

899
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: to people that join, Oh how do I move up

900
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: how do I make impact here. It's bring your ideas

901
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: to the table because people here will listen. You know,

902
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: they're not set in their ways at all.

903
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: I think you're also bringing up a really great point

904
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 3: when we talk about figuring out what kind of company

905
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 3: feels right for you. Is not only a company where

906
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: you can be authentically yourself, but also one where you're

907
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: excited by the work. And I know and I respect

908
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: that to be excited by your work is a privilege.

909
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: But I also firmly believe that if you are willing

910
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: to put in the work to combine both your passions

911
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: and you know, within your pursuits, then you can find

912
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: a way to monetize both of those things into a career.

913
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: I completely agree, and I think that, you know, I

914
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: do feel really fortunate because I love the work that

915
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: I do, and I love the company and the culture

916
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: that I'm in right and I think it is trying

917
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: to find both because there are people that want a

918
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: front facing role where they're you know, in the action,

919
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: and there's people that don't want that, they want a

920
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: structured role or they want to be behind the scenes.

921
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that Puma is a specific

922
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: culture that works well for me, but I realize.

923
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: It won't work for everybody.

924
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: You know, there's people that don't want things that are

925
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: changing all the time, or they don't want that lack

926
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: of hierarchy, because there's also safety in hierarchy, right, There's

927
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: a repetition and expectation that's there. So I think it

928
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: is about doing work you love, but also really finding

929
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: a culture and a company that just aligns to the

930
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: way you like to work.

931
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. So what would you say right now?

932
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: You mentioned a lot of travel on deck, and you've

933
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: already been on the road quite a bit. What else

934
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: really excites you right now about what you're doing within

935
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: your role.

936
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we're in the middle of this running relaunch,

937
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, a few years into having product in the market,

938
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: and this year is a big year for us because

939
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: we're updating. We're bringing the next updates of many of

940
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: our key products.

941
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: So we kicked off this.

942
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Year with a third version of our Velocity, which is

943
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: our everyday kind of trainer really works well for every

944
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: type of runner, and then as we get to the

945
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: back half of this year, we're updating our dev eight franchise,

946
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: which is kind of our signature shoe. It's our plated

947
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: daily trainer, and then we also have our plated race

948
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: day model, the DEV eight Elite, So we're bringing the

949
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: third version of that to market. And I'm so excited

950
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: about the advancements that we've made this year on all

951
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: of these these product evolutions. We're also heading toward the

952
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: Olympic Games, and I think you know very well that

953
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: we have a really big love and dedication to track

954
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: and field. Track and field has been part of our

955
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: brand since the start of the Puma brand, and it's

956
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: something that you know, coming to these Olympic Games, our teams,

957
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, have been working so hard on getting the

958
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: products ready, right. I mean, we have over three hundred athletes.

959
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: Of course we'll see exactly who qualifies, but we create

960
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: products across all of the events, all of the athletes

961
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: we have. I think we're at nineteen federations now, so

962
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: really creating you know, head to toe solutions and all

963
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: building up to these these milestones of the Olympic Games

964
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: where where both our athletes and our products can shine.

965
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: So heading back to Paris again this summer, so really exciting.

966
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: Big year, big year.

967
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: You know, earlier we were talking about the navigating that

968
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: you have to do when it comes to daily asking yourself,

969
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: who may be the person that I'm going to disappoint today.

970
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: A big thing that you've had to learn a lot

971
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 3: about is setting and establishing boundaries for both yourself personally

972
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: and professionally. Can you talk a little bit about what

973
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: learning about setting your boundaries has looked like for you.

974
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's hard still.

975
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I try to make some rules

976
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: to live by, but then you know, have to adjust

977
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: them at times. Right, So there's a couple things that

978
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: I think I've been able to really maintain. I used

979
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: to travel because we travel so much internationally. The trips

980
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: would be ten days to two weeks sometime. And once I,

981
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, had a family and felt really responsible to

982
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: be home for my kids, I kind of set a

983
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: boundary that I can't travel for more than a week.

984
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: A week felt reasonable, feels like I could do a

985
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: lot of work in a week anywhere in the world,

986
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: and that also feels like a reasonable amount of time

987
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: to be away from the kids. I try to avoid

988
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: traveling on weekends, but I have to say that's tough,

989
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: because international travel it's just unavoidable. A lot of the times,

990
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: but when I can, I schedule to be away just

991
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: during the week, right, So those are some things, you know.

992
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: I try not to work at night unless I have to,

993
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: so I don't make it a routine to come home,

994
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: open my computer and check emails. Is Honestly, sometimes I'm like,

995
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: I should do that. I tried now to, right, unless

996
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: I really have to. So I try to set my

997
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: own boundaries so that when i'm home, I'm with the family,

998
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: and when I'm at work, i'm at work, right, And

999
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: that's hard, it's not perfect, but I try for that.

1000
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: You know, something that always resonated with me is this

1001
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: sentiment that you teach people how to treat you. And

1002
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 3: over the last few years, the tool that has become

1003
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: my absolute best friend is scheduling emails. I decided that

1004
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: I was going to stop responding ninety nine point nine

1005
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 3: percent of the time, Like it has to be an

1006
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 3: emergency for me to send an email, like after let's

1007
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: say six thirty pm. Like I really try so that

1008
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: the next morning, if I have a response to the

1009
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: email that comes in at eight o'clock at night, you

1010
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: will get it after nine am the next day. If

1011
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: I want to teach you that that's when I handle

1012
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 3: my business.

1013
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.

1014
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: I think that is really good and I think that's

1015
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: something that I can probably improve and it is something

1016
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: on my mind right, especially in my role where I

1017
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: have a team. If I'm sending emails at night, then

1018
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: people think they have to be right exactly. I think

1019
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: it is setting both your own personal boundaries but also

1020
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: the expectations for the team, right, and the team culture.

1021
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: So I am careful of that. I can't say I

1022
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: always follow.

1023
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes sitting on the couch, I'm like, that was

1024
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: a perfect time to send them emails.

1025
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: But you're right, I think that makes sense.

1026
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: Just an example of how boundaries work for me. But

1027
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: I totally can sympathize and relate to the concept that

1028
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 3: you may have a goal to obtain or to uphold

1029
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: a certain boundary and it might not always work for you,

1030
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 3: and that's okay, right. You just need to be clear

1031
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: on what it is that you do want so that

1032
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: you can then move forward in a way that kind

1033
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 3: of aligns with your goals and your values.

1034
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and be willing to check yourself when look, I

1035
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: said I wasn't going to send emails at night, but

1036
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: I just did three nights in a row.

1037
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: Got to stop now, you know.

1038
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: I think it's okay to recognize when you're not quite

1039
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: where you want to be in terms of the values

1040
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: you set and then do better.

1041
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 3: So far, you've offered me some really great gems when

1042
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: it comes to both leveling up within business and also

1043
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: of course making your way through this career path. When

1044
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: you think about some of the best advice that's been

1045
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 3: offered to you professionally over the last sixteen years at Puma,

1046
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: what would you say really hits home with you.

1047
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: I think the advice to take time for yourself is

1048
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: really a big one. I think for me, it's something

1049
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: I've gotten better at in recent years. I think I

1050
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: put myself last for a while, right where it was

1051
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: like just work, work, and I mean, okay, working is

1052
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: also for myself, and climbing the career ladder and all

1053
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: of that felt fulfilling. Taking care of the family and

1054
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: the kids, there's fulfillment in that. But really alone time

1055
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: is something that I didn't have much of. And whether

1056
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: that's you know, going for a run, as we talked about,

1057
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: going for a walk, going to get my you know,

1058
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 1: nails done more frequently going for a massage, just going

1059
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: to sit on the beach because I live right near

1060
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: the beach. I find that I'm better at everything else

1061
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: when I can take a break for myself. Some of

1062
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: that can come through traveling, right because I someone said

1063
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: to me, oh, how can you stand flying so much? Like,

1064
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, don't you hate it? And I'm like, I

1065
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: love flying. When I get on the airplane and I'm

1066
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: just sitting in that seat and there's nobody that can

1067
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: get to me, I feel like, Yeah, that's alone time

1068
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: for me. It's kind of therapeutic, you know. I can

1069
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: sit there and watch four movies. I can do some emails,

1070
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: I can read a book. That's to me like a

1071
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: very kind of meditative place to be. So I can't

1072
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: say I always carve out the time, but within my

1073
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: life I try to find those moments and then really

1074
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: take advantage of them.

1075
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 3: Make time to put your oxygen mask on first. Yes,

1076
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: so often, I'm sure you said you're getting so many

1077
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: LinkedIn messages, right.

1078
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 4: People want in.

1079
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 3: They want to hear about what you have going on.

1080
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: They probably aren't roles at your company. They look to

1081
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: you as someone, rightfully so, who is very accomplished in

1082
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: what you do when you look in the mirror and

1083
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: it's just airin at home, what do you see looking

1084
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: back at you?

1085
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 4: Oh?

1086
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: Wow, No one's ever asked me that. I mean, I

1087
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: think I see someone trying to do their best.

1088
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: You know.

1089
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: I want to be happy, I want to be successful.

1090
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: I want to be a great mother and role model

1091
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: for my kids. I think I'm pretty realistic. And there's

1092
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: days I look in the mirror and I'm like, yes,

1093
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: this is a good day, I did it, you know.

1094
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Speaker 1: And there's days I'm like, oh my god, I'm so tired.

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Speaker 1: I'm a failure. Right, So I think I have those

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Speaker 1: ups and downs like anybody, and I think I just

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Speaker 1: see somebody who, you know, can continue to try and

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Speaker 1: continue to do better at the things that feel like

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Speaker 1: they're failsailures, or you know, push those successes farther ahead.

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Speaker 1: And I try to keep things in perspective. I'm a

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Speaker 1: pretty big optimist. I think you know that about me, right,

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Speaker 1: I can do pretty well in the face of kind

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Speaker 1: of change and challenges. So I try to focus on

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Speaker 1: the bright side.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 4: Focusing on the bright side.

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Speaker 3: We love that you mentioned the word failure, and of course,

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Speaker 3: as I know as you do as well. That this

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Speaker 3: always comes with a set of air quotes around it,

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Speaker 3: especially when we're talking on a podcast. What you reflect

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Speaker 3: over your time over at Puma, if you're comfortable sharing,

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Speaker 3: I'd be super curious about maybe what you felt like

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Speaker 3: at the time was such a big failure for you

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Speaker 3: that not only turned around and became a big learning moment,

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Speaker 3: but maybe in retrospect wasn't a failure at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, in my role and in the role of

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Speaker 1: my team, there's constant successes and failures. I mean, every

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Speaker 1: day we're analyzing what's working and what's not working. Right,

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Speaker 1: we create a lot of products, we put them out

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Speaker 1: in the market, and then eventually the consumer votes and tells.

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Speaker 2: Us that was good, we like it, or that wasn't good.

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Speaker 1: So we're constantly looking at that and I think maybe

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Speaker 1: that diffuses the impact of some of the failures, right,

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Speaker 1: because it's all the time. Now there's larger failures. There's

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Speaker 1: strategy failures or you know, failures that can cost more

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Speaker 1: money than one product. Of course, I think I luckily

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Speaker 1: haven't had too many of those, right, But I think

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Speaker 1: one thing we always say is don't be afraid to fail.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I think here, especially creating product and especially in a

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Speaker 1: category like running, we want to push the boundaries. We

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Speaker 1: want to stay ahead, we want to bring new things

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Speaker 1: to market, and sometimes it can feel scary, it can

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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, not sure if this is going

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Speaker 1: to work. But it's better to try. It's better to

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Speaker 1: do things and fail and learn from those failures than

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Speaker 1: to be paralyzed, right and not try. And I think, look,

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Speaker 1: we're not I'm not in a role where we're saving

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Speaker 1: lives or anything, so failures here in product and in

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Speaker 1: the sport industry aren't so bad in the grand scheme

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Speaker 1: of life. And I do keep that very much in perspective.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also think it goes back to what

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00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 3: we were talking about before, centering around this idea that

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Speaker 3: if you don't try, then you're exactly where you started.

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Speaker 3: And some of the you know, the biggest game changing

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Speaker 3: moments for the brand have been because you and your

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Speaker 3: team said.

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Speaker 4: Let's give this a whirl, let's see what happens, and

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Speaker 4: it worked.

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Speaker 1: And that can go throughout even every day, right, Really

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Speaker 1: trying to encourage team members like make a decision, just

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Speaker 1: make a decision and go, it's so much better than

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00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: being paralyzed about the decision or being afraid to make

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Speaker 1: a call. And you know, we try to really enable

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Speaker 1: that type of thinking at all levels so people feel

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Speaker 1: empowered and they don't feel afraid to fail. I think

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Speaker 1: that's really important for a corporate, especially one in sporting goods,

1159
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: where again we're not saving lives, right, it's about being fast,

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Speaker 1: and it's about making fast decisions and just going.

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Speaker 4: And just going.

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Speaker 3: Well, you spoke when we started chatting about, you know,

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Speaker 3: the hurdle that was learning how to get back to

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Speaker 3: a place that you knew you wanted to be, which

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Speaker 3: was juggling both the personal and the professional.

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Speaker 2: It certainly had chaos is where I like to be.

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Speaker 3: It certainly had its challenges in the area of total chaos.

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Speaker 3: But if you look back to that time period right now,

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Speaker 3: dealing with all of the hurdles that went hand in

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Speaker 3: hand with that. Knowing what you know now, what advice

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Speaker 3: would you offer to a younger you.

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Speaker 1: I think when I compare myself then and now, I'm

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Speaker 1: easier going now, right, but less sort of type a

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Speaker 1: about everything like I before had to do everything, which

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Speaker 1: in my mind was at some perfect level, right, And

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Speaker 1: I think that was impossible to maintain. So I now

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Speaker 1: put that intensity to where it matters and let other

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Speaker 1: things that really don't matter fall off.

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Speaker 2: And that's okay.

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Speaker 1: So I would probably tell myself to him out a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know how hard it's going to get,

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Speaker 1: so calm down, you know, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: it's just everybody goes through life, right, and there's times

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Speaker 1: when there's a lot on your plate and there's times

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Speaker 1: when when there's less. But certainly living through having more

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Speaker 1: on my plate has helped me to calm down about

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Speaker 1: the things that really don't matter, prioritize the things that do.

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Speaker 1: Put all energy into that, you know, both in work

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Speaker 1: and in my personal life.

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Speaker 3: So how do you befriend letting go of that desire

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Speaker 3: for perfection.

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Speaker 2: It takes some repetition and some awareness.

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Speaker 1: I remember some somebody had given me that advice. They

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Speaker 1: were like, you just got to let some things go,

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Speaker 1: you know, go through your email, pick the five you're

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Speaker 1: going to respond to, and those other forty people they

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Speaker 1: can wait because it's they don't need an urgent response, right.

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Speaker 1: So I would never have done that. Prior me, I

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Speaker 1: would have been up at night making sure I responded

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Speaker 1: to everybody every day, right, So I think living through that,

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Speaker 1: trying it a few times and realizing it really is okay,

1202
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Speaker 1: you know, gives you that confidence to then kind of

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Speaker 1: keep going.

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Speaker 4: You don't know until you try and keep trying. Really

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Speaker 4: the themes of our chat today, Erin.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy that we were able to find the

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Speaker 3: time to do this together. For those that want to

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Speaker 3: keep up with you, or perhaps keep up with Puma,

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Speaker 3: tell us where they can do that on the internet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely check out at Puma Running to see everything

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Speaker 1: that we're doing. We have a lot of excitement coming

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Speaker 1: this year. Also, we have at Puma Training if you

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Speaker 1: want to see what we're getting into on the training side.

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Speaker 1: Of course, are at Puma main handle for the brand.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on LinkedIn as well.

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Speaker 2: So I love it.

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Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast

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Speaker 3: another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 4: Catch you guys next time.