WEBVTT - Andrew Coltart 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.079 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:12.440 you every Wednesday. This week's guest writer Cupper for the 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.239 European side, Andrew Coltart won a couple of times on 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.200 the DP World Tour and is a voice at sky 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.840 Sports Golf Now. One of my favorite people, super super 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.280 Smart always has great takes, so was excited to get 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.479 his reaction to the season ending Race for Dubai tournament 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.880 in Dubai on the DP World and talk about all 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:38.159 things DP World. But before we get to that interview, 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.680 let's take a moment to talk about our friends at 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.360 rap Sodo. 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Andrew were It's a podcast, so no subtitles, 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.080 so try and give us your your your accent a 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:59.520 little bit turned down. Okay, So the DP World Tour 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.240 just fit out in Dubai Race for Dubai. You were 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:08.400 out there on the call for Sky Sports. Interesting year, Andrew. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.359 For the DP World, the European I still call it 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.320 the European Tour. You joined the European Tour in nineteen 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.760 ninety three, one twice calling it DP World as opposed 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.600 to call it the European Tour. Is just so weird 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:20.800 to me. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.399 It takes a bit of getting used to, that's for sure. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:29.880 Claude Nikolai Hogard Bertie's five out of the last six. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.560 I mean, this kid is a this kid is a stud. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.800 I mean that's a big golf course, that is a big, 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.520 big field. How good do you think this kid can be? 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.200 Because when I watch him hit golf balls and he 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:47.000 and his brother Rasmus, I mean they look like they 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.400 can win any time anywhere on any tour. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.040 Yeah, that's a great point. Look, I think it still 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.320 just goes to prove that golf is in great hands. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.160 You know, the next generation is coming through, and goodness me, 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.960 are they good? They are good? Don't you worry about that? Yeah? 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.240 Five or the last six to win with the likes 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.000 of Ram breathing down his neck, hoveling, breathing down his neck. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.240 And I'm going to take my hat off to him 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:18.360 because I you know, I questioned whether he deserved that 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.000 picking the Ryder Cup. And okay, Europe went on and 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:23.880 they won the Ryder Cup. Nicole I only managed to 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:25.560 get half a point and a half a point. It's 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.360 still huge when it comes to Ryder Cup. It's massive 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.520 in terms of what that means. But he himself would 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.719 possibly have been a little bit disappointed if he was. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.760 Goodness me, he's got over it quick because if finished 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.440 second in the ned Bank down there in South Africa 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.440 to Max Homer the week before and then went on, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.520 as you've said, and won our tour championships. And you know, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.440 the kid and his brother who just missed out on 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.600 a duel card and the PGA Tour next year are 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.480 phenomenal talents that you know we've got over here. They've 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.360 come through Denmark, the Daily System. They won the Eisenhewer Trophy, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.840 which was the amateur team event, alongside John Axelson. And 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.120 you know, these kids are are the real deal. You know, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.160 we seem to have quite a few of them at 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:11.719 the minute. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.560 Scandinavian golf right now, Andrew making kind of a resurgence. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.520 I mean, there was that big kind of nineties push 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.920 where there were a factory of players coming out of Sweden. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.720 But you've got Victor Hall Hoblin from Norway. You've got 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.240 Ludwig Alberg, who's I mean by all like by I 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.520 mean he just looks like he can't miss. And then 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.919 you've got the Hoguard Quins. So Scandinavian golf is really 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.920 really strong right now. I thought it was really important 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:43.160 for Scottish golf this year Andrew, for Bob Bob McIntyre 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.200 to get on that Ryder Cup team. But I lived 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.240 in Scotland, you and I, I mean, it's one of 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:53.440 my favorite places. Why don't we see Scottish golf doing 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.159 what we see Scandinavian golf. It has always mystified me. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.000 I mean I lived in Glasgow for almost five years. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.080 The weather is is pretty much the same. You've got 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:10.440 better courses in Scotland. But you see Scandinavian golf just 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.599 constantly doing well and Scottish golf, in my opinion, not 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.960 doing what it should do. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.560 Yeah, well look at you. I mean you and I 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.720 have been discussions around golf coaching for quite some time. 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:30.920 There was a trend in the sort of early two 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:35.760 thousands to model every single player's golf swing on the 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.599 one golf swing. You know, if you start to look at, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.359 you know, all the Scandinavians, you know, in fact, you 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.440 don't need to be a genius to look through any 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.799 of the tools that you see on television, and basically, 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.840 no two human beings swing at the same way. A 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.760 golf swings like a fingerprint, and it's important that the 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.560 golf coach understands how that person interprets the lessons that 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.000 are being made and does so without losing ownership of 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.080 their own golf swing. And you know, Scotland I think 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.440 fell into a trap where they had a central system 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:14.520 and almost like everything that these players knew and learned 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:18.000 and grew up with when they got into the national system, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.120 it seemed to me as if it was sort of 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.120 broken down and said, now that's not how you do it. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.840 This is how you do it. And my own personal 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.440 view is that that that put quite a few players 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.680 back a little bit. It affected the development and they 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:37.000 didn't come through. Also, I will say, look, I think 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.280 things are cyclical. Ave and said that Scotland's not produced 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.600 the talent that it should have done for quite some time. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.920 Has obviously been the odd exception. We're all very familiar 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:49.000 with Colin Montgomery. But well, you know, I think something 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:53.440 happened in English golf around about the late eighties early 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.120 nineties when one or two of the players came out 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.920 on to Lee Westwood, Goody's tour card, David Hall got 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.520 he's tour car, to name few, and of course all 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.360 the young English male golfers that had grown up playing 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.320 with him could see that they could play. If these 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.360 guys can get on tour, they can get on tour, 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.480 and that drew a lot more of those players out. 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.080 Your Paul Cases, your Luc Donald's. You know, we know 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:20.720 what they've gone on to achieve in the game. We 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.240 did start seeing in Sweden many moons ago, no surprise, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.320 because they were like the first amateur body to adopt 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.880 a professional approach to golf in general. It was happening 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.960 in all other sports, but golf was typically slow and 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:40.000 lazy to adapt. The Swedes came out partner it, Johansen, Hegman, Headlum, 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.959 all things like that. And now we're just saying again 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.240 the growth of the game in those areas. Thomas biond 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.559 is on Kelton have an awful lot to do with 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.040 the advancement of the Danish golf in there again, you know, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.880 putting their knowledge back in those young stars being inspired 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.480 by the elder generation starting to see it go. I've 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.679 got to admit in France so stancy an awful lot 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.080 of really good quality of young French players coming through. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.719 That was evident again in their tour chance. And I've 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.120 got to say, you know, our Scottish kids, there's a 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.840 few more Scottish kids now coming through, and I'm pleased 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.800 to see that they don't all swing it the same way. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.040 They've all got their own way to do it, but 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.280 they're all you know, they're all developing at at a 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.320 pretty good pace. Obviously, you talked about Robert mcinty and 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.400 he was pretty much the first of this new generation. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.000 And I was granted Forrest calum Hill. You and Ferguson, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.920 who's won twice now on the on the DPE World 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.120 to the European Tour, came close in the top ten 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:39.079 there last week. So it's that belief and that evidence 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.960 that allows the conference to sort of grow in some 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.160 of these players, and that's why we're seeing these countries 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.600 now starting to come on. But trust me, for a 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.000 lot period of time we were scratching our head and 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.679 very very disappointed with the with the you know, the 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.000 the output in Scotland. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:59.559 It's interesting Andrew that you mentioned that there was this 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.520 trend and I think there was a trend in a 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.480 lot of the national teams and it was right around 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.640 that kind of Tiger Woods era Adam Scott to where 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.760 everybody was trying to get all the players to kind 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.280 of swing the golf club the same way, right, to 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.120 put the golf club in positions. And you know, having 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.040 grown up and playing in Scotland, I think one of 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.199 the great things growing up in a country like Scotland 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.480 or Ireland or Northern Ireland does is if you're going 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.880 to be a competitive golfer, you have to learn how 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.200 to play golf first and foremost, you have to get 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.960 out on the golf course in very difficult conditions. You know, 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:37.040 you go out to places like Carnoustie, Mirfield Troon, which 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.320 are golf courses that are very very famous, but they're 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.839 also golf courses that you can play. You can go 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.480 and play these great golf courses. My dad years ago, 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.600 in like the early two thousands, when I first moved 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.440 to Europe, he did a my dad and his brothers 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.000 they did a Red Bull kind of coaching clinic and 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.520 my dad and his brothers they went down to Celtic 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.760 Manor and I think Rory Mcker was part. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:01.120 Of this group. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.480 This has got to be like two and my dad said, 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:09.040 it's rain and sideways and everybody's out hitting golf balls. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.640 And he's like, in the US, if it's raining, you 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.880 don't go and hit golf ball. So my point being 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.400 this centralized system that you talked about that I think 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.120 a lot of, and it's something that I talk a 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:23.400 lot about on my podcast, Andrew, the difference between playing 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.800 golf and the difference between practicing golf and practicing your technique. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.320 And I think what I hear you saying is I 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:36.040 think there's it's easy to say two players, listen, we've 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.440 got to treat everybody the same, You've got to swing 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.920 the golf club the same. But if that was the case, 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.040 a guy like Colin Montgomery would have never made it 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:48.199 out of any sort of system because he had such 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:54.720 an idiosyncratic but an unbelievably repetitive golf swing, you know, 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.880 in talking about Scottish golf. I mean, listen, we all 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.280 make jokes about Monty that those of us that know him, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.120 that have to be around him, that that you have 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.520 to work with him sometimes. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:08.679 And Monty Munty is an easy, easy target, right, But 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:13.280 the guy was an unbelievable golfer and I don't think 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.480 he gets I think sometimes because of the way Monty 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:21.040 is personally and in the public that he doesn't get 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:21.640 the credit. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.720 But he's one of the best. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:27.640 Golfers I've ever seen, Like, he's one of the best 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.720 golfers I have ever seen pick up a golf club, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.559 and I just don't think he gets the credit. Obviously, 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:38.800 he never won a major. But it's interesting, Andrew, nowadays, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.640 you can be a superstar without winning a major. Back 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.640 in the day, Monty wasn't seen as a superstar because 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.880 he never got that major. But you grew up with him. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.640 You watched him play a lot of golf. How good 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:53.040 was he? 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.199 Oh yeah, he was. He was incredible, you know, I 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.160 mean the consistency just speaks volumes. You know, Wonda what 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.079 it is now? That story buy the order it merit 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.640 eight times you wanted, he wanted seven in a row, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.600 seven in a row. I mean, you know, you don't 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.680 get an opportunity to have a bad week when you 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.280 when when you do things like that, and callin Colin 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.560 was there and thereabouts carrying the you know, carrying the 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.839 flag for the European Tour, in the global game, playing 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.280 all over the world, and you know, just just the 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.480 level of consistency, the repetitiveness of that's when he was 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.600 out of this world. A great touch, he was good 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.800 in the greens. He just had it all and and 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:37.840 it was a really interesting temperament though, because you know, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.000 it wouldn't be the temperament that you would you would 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.240 try to encourage people to have. But but it was 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.600 part of his defense mechanism because you know, as you 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.480 know a lot of players, if it's not working out, 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.440 you sort of find something else to blame. You know, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.520 it's not me, it's something else. And that way it 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.480 keeps us at a confidence. I wasn't my fault. It 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.720 was it was you know that bub flapping its wings 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.040 and the trees three miles away, you know that that 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.280 kind of thing, or that you know, the baby, the 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.360 baby screaming in the nursery because it needs it's diaper changed, 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.520 or something like something like. You know, I mean a 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:13.760 lot of people, a lot of people would just be 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:15.839 able to tuck that away and get on with it. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.640 And you know, Monty, Monty used it as a way 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.360 of just deflecting the pressure off. But another great one though. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.480 We talked to Jim Furick. You know, if if anybody, 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.000 if anybody other than his father went near Fury, he 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.800 would never have had it. Dustin, you know, Dustin came out. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.880 You know when we used to go through a system 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:36.920 where the club face at the top, as you know, 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.640 needed to be sort of forty five degrees, you know, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.040 do open shot that kind of thing, and then and 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.960 you know, and anything anything more open and that needed 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.280 to chege. Nobody had ever ever come with a golf club. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.720 Really it was pointing. The face was pointing straight up 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.640 the sky. Incomes Dustin Johnson, best player in the world, 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.000 blows everybody off the face of the planet for for 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.600 many years and was still they're still playing great golf, 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.800 and it's it's that kind of thing. There was a 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:04.720 ten plate over here with the PGA system where everybody 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.160 had to teach the same swing, and I think that 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:12.840 was a massive, massive mistake. You know, when when it's 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.360 it's all very well, when it's it's you know, you're 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.520 teaching a book, or you're just teaching somebody that wants 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.520 to be a good golfer. But when you're teaching somebody 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.120 that wants to be one of the best golfers, you know, 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.520 on poor or on the planet or something. If you 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.000 if you take, if you strip out what is in 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.360 their DNA their golf swing and give them something else, 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.880 they will never ever be that player. There's only one 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.440 man I think has ever come close to doing that 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.840 and maybe and improved, and that was the man we 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.320 all knows as Foulther. He was. He was the only 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:43.760 guy that was capable of doing that. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.960 It's interesting you mentioned Justin Johnson played from a real 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.560 plays from a really really shut position, and my dad 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.280 when he worked with DJ didn't change that. When he 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.000 first started working with Tiger in ninety three, Tiger played 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.600 from a super pretty closed position, and my dad weakened 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.440 his grip. They wanted to get the golf club in 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.960 a little bit more of a neutral position, and then 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.480 you've got a guy like Monty. Monty played kind of 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:19.800 slap fades from a very very open position. I do 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.600 think that we are in twenty three, though, Andrew, because 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.320 of all the technology and because of how much we 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.400 know and how much we can measure. I've never changed 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.720 golf swings less right, I've never changed golf swings. And 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.560 I've said this before on the podcast, but it's one 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.960 of my favorite stories to tell about my dad's brother, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.560 my uncle Billy. You know, he was in Vegas. It's 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.880 like Tiger in two thousands, are Adam Scott's there and 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.760 every you know, and Tiger and Scotty. I mean, he 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.400 couldn't put the golf club in better positions. But I'll 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.480 never forget this. And my uncle Billy said, you know, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.960 it's amazing to watch these guys and watch how everybody 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.080 is trying to emulate these two. And they're obviously Tiger 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.320 of being an amazing player, Scotty, but he said, you 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:05.960 look at two of the greatest ball strikers of all time, Haile, Irwin, Lee, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:11.920 Trevino Hale shot, Hale was closed, took it inside, came 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.280 over it and hit cuts. Lee was wide open, took 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.760 it way outside, dropped it under. And my uncle Billy said, 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.199 it's amazing. We don't teach anyone to swing like this. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.359 We teach everybody to try and swing like Adam Scott 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.879 and Tiger Woods. He's like, look at the way Nicholas putted. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:33.440 Nobody ever tried to reproduce or emulate the way Jack 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.200 Nicholas putted. And he without other than Tiger, he's the 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.040 greatest putter of all time. And it's funny how you're right, 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.560 things are cyclical, and I do think we are. I mean, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.879 if you look at a kid, you know, like Victor Hovlin, 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:50.960 hobby doesn't have a Adam Scott beautiful textbook type golf swing. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.600 Ludah Olberg, Okay, I like some of the things about 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.560 his golf swing, but he's got a little bit of 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.960 a move at the top where it looks like he 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:00.679 takes it off and it can get a little bit 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.120 laid off, and then the whole guard twinds me. None 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.639 of these guys Bob mckett. None of these guys are classic, 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.359 classic swingers of a golf club, but they all have 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.719 very very good golf swings. And do you see a 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.600 trend more so now in a kind of a swing 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.280 back to the old days where we are seeing some 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:27.800 some Paul Aisinger type type grips, see some idiosyncratic golf swings, 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:29.560 be really really good right now? 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.679 Absolutely, And that goes back to what you're playing. These 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.919 are these are players that have learned it's it's the 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.760 game is not called swing. The game's called golf. You've 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.160 got to play golf the whole, all the all the 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.480 these ingredients come together. You can have a great golf 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.359 swing and be a be a crack golfer. You know, 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:48.800 you know, you know what I mean. But you've got 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.919 to learn to play. And these people have understood and 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.840 know how to play and how to be confident with 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.480 what they've gone. And I've got to take my hat 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.840 off to their coaches that have just allowed them to 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:04.000 go and and progress and improve and maintain that level 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:08.200 of positivity and confidence without without stripping it away, without 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.679 destroying it, without giving them somebody else's golf swing to 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.400 work away at and it's allowed them to develop at 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.119 a different rates. But it's also allowed them to, you know, 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.800 focus on other things that contribute to being to being 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.520 a world class golfer. I mean, if you know you 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.080 can have a very game. I remember one time I 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.000 got my I swing looking really really good on video. 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:31.960 It looked great. I was really happy with how it looked. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:33.840 I had no idea where that where the club face 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.840 was at impact. And trust me, when the golf ball's 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.560 going left and it's going right and you get no 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.560 idea how it's going there, confidence tends to dip off 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.239 a little bit. It doesn't matter how good any other 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.600 aspect of the games playing, it's rubbish. 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.159 Andrew, you mentioned your own career. You turned prone in 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.600 ninety three. You were part of the Walker Cup team 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.840 in ninety one with Padrick Harrington and Paul McGinley were 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.320 on that team for GB and I and then David Duvall, 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.680 film mcle and Bob May on the on the US side. 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:07.800 So amateur career then pro. You won twice on the 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.679 European Tour back then in Qatar in ninety eight the 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.480 Great Northern Open in one played the Ryder Cup in 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:17.320 ninety nine when you look back on your playing career, Andrew. 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.240 Kind of grade would you give it? 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.200 And if you could go back and do anything different, 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.080 would you go back and do anything different? Do you 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.480 feel like you got the most out of kind of 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.280 your game and your career? 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:35.160 Good question, but good question. And I remember sitting an 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.320 exam in my little school, my town which had two 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.240 thousand population of high school. It was I couldn't even 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.040 tell you what exam I was sitting. I was that 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.560 board sitting it. But I remember dreaming while I should 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:48.600 have been trying to figure out the answer for something. 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.439 If I just, you know what I would give to 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.359 just have a tour card. If I just had a 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.200 tour card for one year, you know, and I'd thrame 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.480 it up on the wall and I could say that 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.000 I'd be a European Tour player. Well, that would just 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.280 be it to me. That would be you know that 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.800 that would at that stage, when I'm seventeen, eighteen years old, 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:08.879 I'll just make my life, you know. I can brag 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.000 about that, you know, forever, tell stories about that year 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.480 that I played it. I'd be called the European Tour player. 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.160 Then you get on tour and then of course. You know, 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:21.320 you look around and your goals change, your aspirations change, 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.000 a lot of a lot of things change, and you 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:29.280 know you push yourself, you push yourself even further. Yeah, 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.359 I got into that Rider Cup side. I want I 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:32.960 want a couple of I want a couple of two events, 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:34.760 which was great. That was that was crucial to me 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.400 because you're when you're always played, you always question whether 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.120 you're good enough. You never really know you're good enough 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.080 until you win a championship. So when you win a 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.640