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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week's guest writer Cupper for the

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Speaker 1: European side, Andrew Coltart won a couple of times on

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Speaker 1: to a really exciting talk with Andrew Coltart for my

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Speaker 1: American listeners, My guest today is not Sean Connery, it

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Speaker 1: is Andrew Coltart. Andrew were It's a podcast, so no subtitles,

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Speaker 1: so try and give us your your your accent a

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Speaker 1: little bit turned down. Okay, So the DP World Tour

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Speaker 1: just fit out in Dubai Race for Dubai. You were

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Speaker 1: out there on the call for Sky Sports. Interesting year, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: For the DP World, the European I still call it

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Speaker 1: the European Tour. You joined the European Tour in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety three, one twice calling it DP World as opposed

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Speaker 1: to call it the European Tour. Is just so weird

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Speaker 2: It takes a bit of getting used to, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Claude Nikolai Hogard Bertie's five out of the last six.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this kid is a this kid is a stud.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a big golf course, that is a big,

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Speaker 1: big field. How good do you think this kid can be?

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Speaker 1: Because when I watch him hit golf balls and he

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Speaker 1: and his brother Rasmus, I mean they look like they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. Look, I think it still

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Speaker 2: just goes to prove that golf is in great hands.

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Speaker 2: You know, the next generation is coming through, and goodness me,

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Speaker 2: are they good? They are good? Don't you worry about that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Five or the last six to win with the likes

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to take my hat off to him

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Speaker 2: because I you know, I questioned whether he deserved that

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Speaker 2: picking the Ryder Cup. And okay, Europe went on and

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Speaker 2: they won the Ryder Cup. Nicole I only managed to

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Speaker 2: still huge when it comes to Ryder Cup. It's massive

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Speaker 2: Goodness me, he's got over it quick because if finished

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Speaker 1: Scandinavian golf right now, Andrew making kind of a resurgence.

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Speaker 1: for Scottish golf this year Andrew, for Bob Bob McIntyre

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Speaker 1: to get on that Ryder Cup team. But I lived

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Speaker 2: There was a trend in the sort of early two

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Speaker 1: This has got to be like two and my dad said,

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Speaker 1: And I think what I hear you saying is I

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Speaker 1: a guy like Colin Montgomery would have never made it

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Speaker 1: the Scottie Scheffler's of the worlds, the John Rahm's of

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Speaker 1: the world, who win every single year, they win multiple times.

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Speaker 1: They can somewhat somewhat make it look easy to be

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Speaker 1: a perennial winner. It is incredibly, incredibly hard to win

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Speaker 1: That's why when I look at this kid, you know,

435
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Speaker 1: Ludwig Alberg, I mean, Ludpig's playing college golf.

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Speaker 3: Six months ago. I mean he's playing college golf.

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Speaker 1: Six months ago, and he's on a winning Ryder Cup

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Speaker 1: team and then wins his first PGA Tour event. Okay,

439
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Speaker 1: Obviously when you look at him, and I think everybody

440
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Speaker 1: has seen this coming, right, and we got to see

441
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Speaker 1: kind of his coming out party at the Ryder Cup

442
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Speaker 1: in Rome to where he played fantastic and when he plays,

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Speaker 1: you look at the stats, you look at this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's no surprise that he has won the last tournament

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Speaker 1: of the year based off of how he's played since

446
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Speaker 1: he's turned pro, but that getting that first win is

447
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Speaker 1: such a hard thing to do. How important, Andrew do

448
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Speaker 1: you think it is from a playing standpoint to get

449
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Speaker 1: a professional win on a tour early? What do you

450
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Speaker 1: feel that does and what do you feel like are

451
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: kind of some of the traps that you can fall

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Speaker 1: into when you win early.

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Speaker 3: I think we've.

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Speaker 1: Seen that with with Matt Wolf Right, he won his

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Speaker 1: second professional event, but he hasn't won a tournament four years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting. Obviously, of course Lidwig.

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Speaker 2: Right before the Ryder Cup, when there was pressure on

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Speaker 2: and people were looking at him as a beck captain,

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Speaker 2: Donald was saying, listen, this guy is good. I've played

460
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Speaker 2: with him. You kind of going, well, that's all it's

461
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Speaker 2: gonna be more. You know, where are the results? Where

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Speaker 2: where are the numbers? And of course he hadn't played

463
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Speaker 2: enough events for stat numbers for those sort of count

464
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Speaker 2: but the European guys had been all over them and

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Speaker 2: any one up the mountain and crown so sire on

466
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Speaker 2: the DP world too. So he won that. I mean

467
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Speaker 2: justin Rowe the great stars first that we use. I mean,

468
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Speaker 2: he can't find anybody certainly the last eiry of forty

469
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Speaker 2: years that has termed professional and one both on the

470
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Speaker 2: PGA the PGA two and I don't yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: that that to be able to go out and do

472
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Speaker 2: that is out of this world. It's just it's just

473
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Speaker 2: sensational that he's managed to achieve that, and it's and

474
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Speaker 2: it's great, and that it's all got to do with

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Speaker 2: his upbringing. It's all got to do with the people

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Speaker 2: run about him. It's all got to do with all

477
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Speaker 2: the great work ethic at college and the state. It's

478
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Speaker 2: all got to do with, you know, how he how

479
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Speaker 2: he is with himself, and how he thinks about himself,

480
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Speaker 2: and how he thinks about the game. And you know,

481
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Speaker 2: as we've said, as we've said throughout this podcast with

482
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Speaker 2: some of these players, you know, the sky really does

483
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Speaker 2: appear to be the limit. Because one of the good

484
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Speaker 2: things I like about all these guys, particularly over is that,

485
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Speaker 2: you know, winning, winning for somebody could be the absolute

486
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Speaker 2: icing on the case. And as a result of that,

487
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Speaker 2: they could take the food off the gas and well,

488
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Speaker 2: I'm a winner and I've achieved something that I didn't

489
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Speaker 2: never have a thought was possible, and I've managed to

490
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Speaker 2: do that, and you know that that could have an

491
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Speaker 2: impact on it. These guys don't look like that. These

492
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Speaker 2: guys look like, you know, they expected it. They expected it.

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Speaker 2: If it wasn't going to happen soon, it was going

494
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Speaker 2: to happen sooner or later. Nothing, It wasn't going to

495
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Speaker 2: only take a long time to win. Now they've got

496
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Speaker 2: the win under the belt, like it does look like

497
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Speaker 2: they're going to kick on nobody. I guess only those

498
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Speaker 2: closest to the likes of Matt Wolf would maybe know

499
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Speaker 2: what it was like for him and how he was

500
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Speaker 2: dealing with this new life. Because you are living in

501
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: a goldfish bowl. You know, you can't hide away from

502
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: everything your Your whole life is now under the microscope.

503
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of someday. You know, Tom Lewis

504
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Speaker 2: over here, did it in you? It be won in

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Speaker 2: Portugal to think and one of his first g out

506
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Speaker 2: and then struggle. Matt Wallace hasn't one for five years,

507
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Speaker 2: a year that he won three just before the twenty

508
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Speaker 2: eighteen Rider Cup. Comparently one car put the CanYa this year,

509
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Speaker 2: but but it had taken him sort of five years

510
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Speaker 2: before you get back into the winter circle. You know

511
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Speaker 2: other other people, you know they can they can push

512
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: too hard, too fast. They can they can you know,

513
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Speaker 2: the expectation can be abud and if you expect too

514
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Speaker 2: much without keeping yourself grounded, that can put an inordinate

515
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Speaker 2: amount of pressure on yourself that that you know, that

516
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: can constrict you. And as we know, when you play golf,

517
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Speaker 2: you never want to feel tight, you never want to

518
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Speaker 2: feel edgy. Some of the other things, of course, is

519
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Speaker 2: that as we know, all the terrific facilities, you know

520
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: they're there and they're around us, can get used, can

521
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: get exploited players can They also start tinking a little

522
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Speaker 2: bit with golf clubs. Somebody comes along now that they've won,

523
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Speaker 2: and you know, their contracts up with a certain manufacturer,

524
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Speaker 2: let's change equipment and it all. It all sounds juicy,

525
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Speaker 2: and somebody's going to chuck a million bucks at you.

526
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Speaker 2: You think that's great, but when you know, when you

527
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Speaker 2: think about it, that million could actually cost you five.

528
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Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's not such great business. So you know,

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Speaker 2: there's loads, there's loads of those things that that they've

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Speaker 2: got to look out for watch out form. But I

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Speaker 2: would have thought based on what you know, Albert has achieved,

532
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Speaker 2: and certainly the Hoy girls have achieved the doess enough

533
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Speaker 2: people round about them. That's some that are pretty clued

534
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Speaker 2: in to understand how all these things going to protect

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Speaker 2: them from falling into these traps. But again the other

536
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Speaker 2: thing is Claude, Wait, we've got to watch out and

537
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Speaker 2: we're going to We're going to be measured with our

538
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Speaker 2: expectations of these players. I mean, all birds had a

539
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Speaker 2: fantastic career in a few months. You know, you know,

540
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Speaker 2: he's got he's got twenty he's got twenty years out

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Speaker 2: there at least, you know, let's let's not pile so

542
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Speaker 2: much pressure them that the guy can't breathe. And that's

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Speaker 2: something I think us, as you know, as the media,

544
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Speaker 2: have a responsibility just to look out for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The obvious question with with lud big because he is

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Speaker 1: so talented and has had this kind of me yorick rise.

547
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Speaker 1: I mean, all of a sudden now people are saying,

548
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Speaker 1: is the is he the next Tiger Woods? Is he

549
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: the next Roy McElroy. That's a lot to put on

550
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Speaker 1: a really young kid. And having gone through this as

551
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Speaker 1: a player, how how how do you keep your feet

552
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Speaker 1: on the ground Andrew, Because all of a sudden, now

553
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Speaker 1: he's gonna get a lot of he's gonna get tons

554
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Speaker 1: of media requests, he's got the limelight, he's gonna have

555
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Speaker 1: companies throwing lots of cash at him. And he's had

556
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Speaker 1: a breakout year in twenty twenty three. But to me,

557
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Speaker 1: the big year for Ludwig Alberg is twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: He's never played in the major before, he's a he's

559
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Speaker 1: a winner on the PGA Tour. What do you see

560
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: as the ceiling and what do you think his schedule

561
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Speaker 1: is going to be.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, I think you know, any any events that

563
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: he's not eligible in, you know, everybody will want him

564
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Speaker 2: to play in that team because he's a bit of

565
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: a golden ticket. But he also is also an incredibly

566
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Speaker 2: nice and choirman young kid, which which is you know,

567
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Speaker 2: is also a fantastic attribute. His schedule will be very busy,

568
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Speaker 2: he will have to deal with an awful lot of

569
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Speaker 2: these questions because he's certainly not somebody that's going to

570
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Speaker 2: be able to fly under the radar. Your great point,

571
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Speaker 2: how did they react to a year like like last year?

572
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Speaker 2: Very difficult to go better than that, but it wouldn't

573
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Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me if he is looking. Yeah, again, I

574
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Speaker 2: don't want to do what I've just said we shouldn't do,

575
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Speaker 2: but clearly the guy has got talent to win majors.

576
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Speaker 2: He will, he will hopefully find his own pace. Well,

577
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Speaker 2: like I said, he already he already seems to be

578
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Speaker 2: very pragmatic. He already seems to be incredibly laid back.

579
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Speaker 2: He wouldn't be able to have achieved what he's achieved

580
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Speaker 2: in these last few months if he wasn't. Look, I

581
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Speaker 2: think they understand now, you know, when when when I

582
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Speaker 2: was playing, and it was all about, you know, if

583
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Speaker 2: measuring the amount of top tens you had from a

584
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Speaker 2: year to year, that's not how things have done now,

585
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Speaker 2: you know, you measure performance on certain levels and on

586
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: the tiny little minushai that a fantastic cycling coach over

587
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: here was so David Brailsford was always talking about just

588
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: you know, shaving tiny little bits off of here, and

589
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: their tiny little improvements here are their main massive differences

590
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Speaker 2: at the end, And there'll may be not that perspective,

591
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Speaker 2: and they maybe don't necessarily mean that he'll jump up

592
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Speaker 2: another couple of spots. Well he's going to because of

593
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: where he started, but in the world rankings or whatever,

594
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: but very very soon those things will start to take

595
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Speaker 2: shape and take hold. Yeah, he's going to get an

596
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: awful lot of opportunities. He's going to be someday that

597
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: would be comfortable in major championship settling into those even

598
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: looked like he took the pressures of the rider company stride.

599
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Speaker 2: It's very very embryonic his career, and I think we

600
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: just all need to sit back, not put any pressure on,

601
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: not putting too much expectations on, and just just watch this.

602
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 2: You know, watch this guy start the shine.

603
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Speaker 1: Someone who has gone through what ludvig Aldberg is about

604
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: to go through. Rory McElroy wins the Race for Dubai,

605
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: which is the equivalent of the DP World FedEx Cup

606
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: for the fifth time. He continues to be one of

607
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: the most interesting people in our sport. Made the decision

608
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Speaker 1: at the end of this and said last week he's

609
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Speaker 1: going off the policy board on the PGA Tour. He

610
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Speaker 1: has been, in my opinion, the PGA tour spokesperson for

611
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: the last two years. I think they've asked him to

612
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Speaker 1: do that. I think he volunteered for that. What kind

613
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Speaker 1: of grade do you give Rory McElroy for twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Three, Yeah, that question was asked of him and he

615
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: said seven out of ten. The horrible thing, the horrible

616
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Speaker 2: thing for Rory is that you know, by the time

617
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Speaker 2: he was twenty four, he'd won four majors.

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Speaker 3: That's that's that's a burden. Culty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I know, I know. I was just thinking,

620
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: in fact, I forgot to ask him for a loan

621
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Speaker 2: of five quick the other day there. But yeah, so

622
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: so he's not done too badly for himself. Let's be honest.

623
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Speaker 2: But everybody, all the all the guys talk about major

624
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: championships being the measure, and you know, I know he

625
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: will be incredibly disappointed. You know he actually in fact,

626
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Speaker 2: you know, did he not? Did he not say back

627
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: on the that full swing thing, that he's not one,

628
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: He's not one another major for a while, and it

629
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Speaker 2: feels like the next time he does it, it'll be

630
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: like he's going to try and win the first major.

631
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Speaker 2: So that just shows you what it's like. It's pretty

632
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: tough to get to get back in that saddle again

633
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: and and feel comfortable in it. But he did come

634
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Speaker 2: close obviously the US Open La Country Club this year.

635
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Speaker 1: What do you see, Andrew, because you follow I mean

636
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: obviously for Sky, you do all the majors, you watch,

637
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Speaker 1: you do a lot of American golf, you do all

638
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: the European Tour golf. So you see Rory play a

639
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: lot of golf, and you watch him play a lot

640
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: of golf in the majors when you watch the way

641
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: he played, and you watch the way he putted in

642
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: Rome at the Ryder Cup, and you look at the

643
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: way he has putted and played on Sunday when he's

644
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: had chances to win majors in the last decade. I

645
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: mean happy by Farrell was number one in the charts

646
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: the last time he won a major on And that's

647
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: how long ago this is. And I would have thought

648
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: in fourteen when he won his last major, if we

649
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: were in twenty three, I think conservatively, I would have

650
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: thought the number would been at least ten. So what

651
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: do you see when you watch him play? Because I

652
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: think he is other than I never saw.

653
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: Jack Nicholas play.

654
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: I grew up watching Greg Norman and then Tiger, so

655
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: I watched Tiger felt. I mean, I look at Rory

656
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: McElroy and that's including Brooks and DJ that I've been

657
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: lucky enough to work with other than Tiger Woods, I've

658
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: never seen a player like him that has everything you

659
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: could design.

660
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: He's like DJ. Right.

661
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: If you were going to design a golfer, you would

662
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: design someone like DJ. Tall, hits at miles. If you

663
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: were going to design a different type of golfer that

664
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: wasn't six foot four, you would design Rory McElroy. Tons

665
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: of speed, big, big heart, big guts, can shoot low.

666
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: But why are we sitting on four majors for someone

667
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: that is just so good?

668
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 2: Look at yes, I think that that two things. I mean,

669
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: we've got to be realistic sometimes you've got to be

670
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: in the right place at the right time.

671
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 3: But he's always in the hot for majors.

672
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like rarely is he not in

673
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: the hunt when it.

674
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: Came well, a few too many times he shot himself

675
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: out of it and then come back in and created it.

676
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: And that, you know, that to me, I think is

677
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: him trying too hard and not allowing his game to

678
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: because he knows how desperate you know, we all desperately

679
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: want him to get back and the winner's trails. Nobody

680
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: wants it more than he does, of course, because he

681
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: knows he's going to continually get asked this question, and

682
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: you know it's it's records and historian and all that

683
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: stuff will mantle to him. And I think, you know,

684
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just looking at it there. I mean, statistically,

685
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: you know, he's the only person to have fifty four

686
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: hole leader of major championship, one hundred and fiftyeth Open Championship,

687
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: hit all greens in regulation and lose and that was

688
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 2: because of Cameron Smith's absolutely brilliance. Although I We'll say

689
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: again there was so many opportunities and the puttle, just

690
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: the puttle.

691
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: Just I couldn't believed. I couldn't believe at St. Andrew's

692
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: by the time we got to the fifth old because

693
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: DJ was a couple of groups in front, and I'm like,

694
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: by the time we get out to the turn, Rory's

695
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: going to have birdied four out of six, four out

696
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: of eight. He's going to be making the run. And

697
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. Andrew with all of the landscape of

698
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: where professional golf is and everything that's happened over the

699
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: last two years, with the tour and live and kind

700
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: of the professional golf world being turned upside down. I

701
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: said earlier that Rory is is the spokesperson for the

702
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. He volunteered for that. They were happy for

703
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: him to do that. But from a major standpoint, how

704
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: much do you think everything that he's taken on board

705
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: over the last two years has affected him when it counts,

706
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: Because also he's going into every major championship press conference.

707
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: Haven't answer the question you ever want a major in

708
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: ten years? And when are you going to major? And

709
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: then he's going into every press conference and people are

710
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: going PG Tour live. That's a lot for one human

711
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: being to have to deal with.

712
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exhausting, Claude, it's absolutely exhausting. I think he's

713
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: I think his colleagues took advantage of him in that regard.

714
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: You know, one or two of the others should have

715
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: stepped up to the plate. It was noticeable by their

716
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: absence that they didn't want to do that. Then then

717
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: I look at somebody arguably the best that there's ever been, Tiger.

718
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: Would Tiger River done that? I don't think so. He

719
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: was there to do a job. His job was to

720
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: focus on those events. But but let's be let's be

721
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: honest here with this. Though Rory McElroy gives all of

722
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: everybody in the media, you know, headlines and stories and

723
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: something worth writing, because he is himself in those things.

724
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: He doesn't he doesn't straight back to everything. He doesn't

725
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: just give it the old cut cliches and look at

726
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: his watch and wish to get out of there in

727
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: thirty seconds. If there's a talking point in the game,

728
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 2: he'll offer his opinion. And you know, we're almost taking

729
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: advantage of that, that niceness about Rory McElroy. But but

730
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: at the same time, he was doing that over the

731
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: last two years. It was exhausting. He was looking around,

732
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: nobody else was backing him up. As you quite rightly said,

733
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: he was there to step into his office, and he

734
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: was being called into the wrong kind of meetings at

735
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: the wrong time. And and of course then ultimately as

736
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: well as having stood there and did that, then all

737
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he was he was sideswiped by the

738
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: by the announcement that that you know, they decided to

739
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: sort of work together and amalgamate to look at the

740
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: prospects of of putting things together, which I think came

741
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: as a bit of a shock term. I think, I

742
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: think this is the right move. I think this is

743
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: absolutely the right move for him. It's it's it's a

744
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: shame it's taken this long. But I've also got to

745
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: take my hat off to him and say that respectfully,

746
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: he did, he did what was expected of him in

747
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: difficult times. And you know, yeah, again you've got to

748
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: absolutely admire that matter. And I feel for Jordan who's

749
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: now just taken that on, because Jordan's going to have

750
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: to understand what that's like to deal with. And it's

751
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: the questions are just insessant, Claude, These these major championships

752
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 2: which mean the most to them. It's not the golfing press,

753
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: it's the world's press, and the questions are just incessant

754
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: and very very emotive and very very taxing.

755
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: So twenty twenty three, given the landscape of everything that's happened,

756
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: you are, I mean, you're a European tour guy, right,

757
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean you were never one of the guys that

758
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: moved to You never moved to America. You played, you know,

759
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: you didn't start in Europe and then play full time

760
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: in the US. Where do we think the DP World

761
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: Tour is in twenty twenty three? We've got these ten

762
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: players now with this new system that are coming to

763
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, which I'm excited to see what these

764
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: players do. But there is a narrative out there that,

765
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: given the kind of the way that Keith Pelly and

766
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: the DP World Tour have kind of hitched their wagon

767
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: to the PGA Tour, right, what where is the Where

768
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: is the DP World Tour in twenty twenty three, and

769
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: where do you think it goes in the next two

770
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: three years?

771
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: I think I think, maybe surprisingly to you, I think

772
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: the DP World Tour is actually in a pretty strong

773
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: place that, you know, the opportunity for these players, the

774
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: strategic alliance that's that's available to both tours, you know,

775
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: the package that we set up in order to to

776
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: create that union, the amount of money that the DP

777
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: World Tour players are playing for. Just now, the opportunity,

778
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: as we've seen for ten to go over there to

779
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour. I think we get five, don't we

780
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: from from outside the top one two, five or something

781
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 2: from from the PGA Tour. I think come in at

782
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: any one time to other it's an opportunity for them

783
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: to get back onto the PGA Tour. I think, I

784
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: think it is what it what it is. You know,

785
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: we're kidding ourself. There's absolutely no way it can it

786
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: can go toward at all with the PGA Tour, that's

787
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: for sure. But I don't think the negative argument about

788
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: being just a feeder tour for that is justifiable. It

789
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: may look like that to some, but I think it's

790
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: still a very very good, strong tour and it's own

791
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: merit and hopefully as well. We'd like to see when

792
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: the when the FedEx finishes, the FedEx Cup finishes over

793
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: there in the PGA Tour. We'd like to think that

794
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: you know, some of America's major stars would maybe like

795
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: to cement the position in world golf by coming over

796
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: to the DPA World too and proving it. We're certainly

797
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: a very hospitable tour and we welcome these guys to

798
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: come over, and we absolutely love them coming over. And

799
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: if they want to play a little bit more like

800
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: they didn't do at the Ryder Cup or just before

801
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup, then then more than welcome to come

802
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: along and do that.

803
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to ask you about the

804
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup. I knew i'd get you started. We did,

805
00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: we did some TV together. I mean, obviously, it looks

806
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: like in hindsight, Luke got at one hundred percent right

807
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: and Zach got a lot of things wrong. If if

808
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: you could go back at the beginning of the week

809
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: and advise Zach Johnson, hindsight's great. But going into that week,

810
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: what do you think the US could have done differently

811
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: excluding the fact that other than Dustin Johnson, nobody played

812
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: golf in other than or excuse me, other than Brooks,

813
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: nobody played golf, I mean, nobody played any golf.

814
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: No. So so, first of all, that's alarming. I've got

815
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 2: a question the players that have done that, because would

816
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: they do that at any of their own individual major championships.

817
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: Would they take that amount of time off just before

818
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: one of their majors and think that it was honestly

819
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: going to give a good account of themselves. No? Absolutely not.

820
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: My other question is you've got Stuart Sink, Jim Fury,

821
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: Davis Love the Thub Streves, Steve stre Zak, Johnson. I

822
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: hope I've not missed anybody else out at least thirty

823
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: couple five very couples. Of course, at least very five

824
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: or something. It's ryder cups under under all, under all

825
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: their belts and this task force. And no, nobody's going

826
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: to hang on the second, lads, No, just's playing. Nobody's

827
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: playing hang on a second? Why? Why is? Why is

828
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: nobdy playing? I also want to question the players and say,

829
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: why do you not want to play for these captains

830
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: and vice captain? Shoot? You know, because this is not

831
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: just about if you want to let yourself down, you

832
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: can go ahead and let yourself down. I don't care,

833
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: that's fine. The European's lapdot up. You want to let

834
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: your teammates down, you want to let your captains down.

835
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: Where's the respect for Zach Johnson and that task force

836
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: that you can't be bothered playing for five weeks prior

837
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: to our Ryder Cup. It's not just you you're letting down.

838
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: What about the American fans? What about the people that

839
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: paid the trip to get over there to Rome to

840
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: support you, and you're only going to give it a

841
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: half baked opportunity And it was no surprise it. Guess what,

842
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: you started to play more like you can play at

843
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: the end of the week when it was basically all

844
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: but lost. I mean, I just don't understand. There is

845
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 2: no sport that I know that any professional athlete would

846
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 2: conceivably take that and much amount of time off before

847
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 2: what is one of the biggest the Olympics or whatever,

848
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: the winter, any of those things would conceivably take that

849
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: kind of time off and and expect to perform anywhere

850
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: near that optimum level. I thought it was really really poor.

851
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: Why Historically, and I've talked about this in the past,

852
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: but I'd love to get your opinion on this.

853
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: We tend to want to have.

854
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: Captains that have big personalities that that there's been a

855
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: little bit of a move away from that with going

856
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: to strict and stuff like that. But I think the

857
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: europe the Europeans have excelled with captains that weren't necessarily

858
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: super super superstars that didn't other than Faldo, and Faldo

859
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: didn't do a great job because they got killed at Valhalla.

860
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: But all of the other captains have kind of had

861
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: this kind of under the radar approach. And why do

862
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: you think that works? And what do you think the

863
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: US could take from that? Because there's this thing that

864
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: we've got to take proven, proven winners as our Ryder

865
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: Cup captains, right right, We've got to take all these

866
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: guys that have won multiple majors. They've got to be icons,

867
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: they've got to be you know, bonafide, you know, Hall

868
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: of famers, and we don't see that. I mean, we

869
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: just don't see that from the Europeans.

870
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 3: And why does it work?

871
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 2: I mean that's centially well, first of all, First of all,

872
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: before we talk about the captains, you've got to take

873
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: twelve players that want to play for your red, white

874
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: and blue, right because I'm seeing what I see is

875
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: that that's not the case. There might be there might

876
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 2: be ten of them that might have been the case

877
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: this year, might be nine I'm not seeing twelve players

878
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: that want to play for you. Guys had a team

879
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: two years ago Whistling Straits that were meant to dominate

880
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: for ten years. Now I know you were. You were

881
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: arguably more depleted because of Live than the European Tour.

882
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: But the European Tour DP World two this year had

883
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: guys informed at Whistling Straights. We didn't. But you need

884
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: to get twelve players that want to play. I can't

885
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: stand listening to some of these multimillionaires bitching that they're

886
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: pitching up at a Ryder Cup and somebody's not paying

887
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: me any money for it. It's just there's something there's

888
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: something wrong with your psychic and personally, I wouldn't have

889
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: anybody in my team even if they qualified, they did

890
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: not want to play for the Red, White and Blue.

891
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 2: I find it disgraceful. You go to the DP World Tour,

892
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 2: every single man will bleed for that team. They will

893
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: pay to play a Rider Cup, not the other way around.

894
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: And until you sort that out, you always going to

895
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 2: be up against it. Then let's talk about the captains. Look,

896
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: a major winner doesn't make a good captain. You know,

897
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: a great golfer doesn't make a good coach. You've got

898
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: to be able to talk to players. You've got to

899
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: able to to be the the you know, the the

900
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: glue that holds everything together. You've got to be able

901
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: to take the time to understand all the players what

902
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: makes them to Paul McGinley are a very challenging one

903
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: with Victor Dubison, Who's who's an interesting character and McGinley

904
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: managed to work that out. Sometimes if if you're the

905
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: big man, it's one this one that won the next thing,

906
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: then then the Ryder Cup can be about them, not

907
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 2: about the players, not about the match, not about the team.

908
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: I still I still thought that. Look, I don't think

909
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: Zach Johnson necessarily did a terrible job. I don't think

910
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: he's players pitched up and and like I said, it

911
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how don't listen. You can be you could

912
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: be the best cat in all but if your players

913
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: don't pitch up and forget about it.

914
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: So Coulty, if you're the US, who do you pick

915
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: for the next Ryder Cup Captain?

916
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: Well, you're asking You're asking me an honest question rather

917
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: than what I go to Johnson again, who do we

918
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: pick for the Well? Look, I mean, doesn't have to

919
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: be well, it doesn't have to be taking no absolutely hot,

920
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: well how can it? How how can it not be Tiger?

921
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: But then again, is you know, is that look look

922
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: the players played from at the President's cub when he

923
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: went when they went down to Australia. If any player,

924
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: if any player doesn't step still and listen to every

925
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: single breath that Tiger would make when he's talking to them,

926
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: then the person needs that head looked at. If you

927
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: can't respect that mane, you can't respect anybody. So against

928
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: what I've just said about, you know, some day that's

929
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: achieved so much, and that guy commands the room every

930
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: single time he walks in there, and I would absolutely hope,

931
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: for damn certain the next time up there in Rochester

932
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: that twelve players want to bleed for that man and

933
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 2: for your country.

934
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: Lastly, Andrew, it's been a crazy two years. Is the

935
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: merger going to happen? Is the merger not going to happen?

936
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: We've got TGL now being postponed to twenty twenty five,

937
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: We've got Live that still at the airing of this

938
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: doesn't have a schedule out Where the hell is professional

939
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: golf this time? Next year, give me, give me what

940
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: your wants are, and then give me what you think

941
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: will happen.

942
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: I that's another good question. I I want things to

943
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: come to come together much more sort of globally. I

944
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: think I think everybody does. I don't you know, Live

945
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: went away and did what it did. I think, you know,

946
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: with Jimmy down and and and the people over there

947
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: trying to trying to get everybody to talk, I think

948
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: that's a sensible way forward, everybody involved together to to

949
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: to give up, to give a product that you know

950
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 2: that is worthy of all that money that's that's being

951
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: chucked around. I think the difficult thing at the minute

952
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 2: is when everybody's trying to combat everybody else, there isn't

953
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: the money there to carry on doing that. And and

954
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: that's that's going to be an issue. And so you know,

955
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: at some at some point as sooner that gets sorted

956
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: and things get tied up, the better for everybody, because

957
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: at the minute, the way it's going, despite what all

958
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: these players think, you know, in in both America and

959
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 2: certainly over here in Europe, there is absolutely not a

960
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: bottomless pit of money that they can tap into. And

961
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: if if the game is going to be expanding any

962
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: well near the rate that it has done, then absolutely

963
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: everybody needs to sit around the table and and and

964
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: and talk. Again. You know, the morality aspect of it

965
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: with me, I can't get because you know, we're all

966
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: using plastics here and there and everything and derivatives of

967
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: of of petroleum. So it's it's a difficult argument that

968
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: to have. But you know, we all need to. Everybody

969
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 2: everybody does does business and and money talks and and

970
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 2: you know we need to we need to do things

971
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: before that that cash starts to run out.

972
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: I think regardless of what side of the PGA Tour

973
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Live Battle you're on, and I think everybody is kind

974
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: of entrenched and isn't moving from that. But one of

975
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: the things that I think has been kind of cool

976
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: that Lay has brought back into people talking about was

977
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: the massive success of their trip down to Australia and

978
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 1: playing in Adelaide. You won twice on the Australasian Tour.

979
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: I think international golf, you're hearing Rory talk now more

980
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: about we need more tournaments internationally. You know, it was

981
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: the running joke that all the WGCs were basically the

982
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: World Golf Championships were all in the US. I think

983
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: one of the things that Lives maybe shone a light

984
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: on is taking golf to places that maybe don't get

985
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: to see great players and I would love to see.

986
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: I think it's great that the PGA Tour is the

987
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: Scottish Open is a PGA Tour event. I think it

988
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: would be great to have some bigger PGA Tour events

989
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: outside the United States, because I mean, the PGA Tour

990
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: has been so America centric that it's like all the

991
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: decisions just get for what happens in the US, and

992
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: I think it's cool. One of the cool things for

993
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: us in Australia that went down to Live Andrew was

994
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: the fans had never seen that many good players, that

995
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: many good players in one place. I mean, all over

996
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: the world you get tournaments to where they bring in

997
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: some of the big guns. That's been going on forever.

998
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: But I think to take a full field PGA to

999
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: our designated event to somewhere in Australia, the crowds and

1000
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: the people, it would be.

1001
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: Amazing well one hundred percent. But the problem I've always

1002
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: seen up until Live being able to do what it's

1003
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: done is we create the monster for ourselves you know,

1004
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 2: these animals cry out for more money, we give them

1005
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 2: more money. Then when you give them the more money,

1006
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: you go, I'm not doing that unless you give me

1007
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: more money. And all of a sudden, all of a sudden,

1008
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: they put themselves in a position where they go, well,

1009
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't have to go over there

1010
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: because I'm quite comfortable over here. So somewhere along that line,

1011
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: a commitment drawn up by the players has to be that, yes,

1012
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: they will travel. You have to, you know, do it

1013
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: for the You know, if you believe all this retric

1014
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: this rubbish that comes out of the mouth, do it

1015
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: for the game. Then let these kids in all these

1016
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: far flung countries actually see what it's like, top quality,

1017
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: best players going head to head. That kind of production

1018
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 2: would be sensational. The world would want that. What I've

1019
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: seen over the last twenty thirty years too many players

1020
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: that have been paid everything they want, and when push

1021
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: comes to shop, they then go, no, I'm not doing

1022
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: that now, I'm not wearing a hat.

1023
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: He just lost his hat sponsored Do you see that?

1024
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: No? Did he?

1025
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: Gold Patrick Can'tley, Goldman Sachs not renewing for twenty twenty

1026
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: four on the hat.

1027
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 3: We think about that.

1028
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: Well there you go, well there you go. I just

1029
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: that's that's maybe they just couldn't find enough material. I

1030
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: don't know.

1031
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: Quickly Scottie Shuffler, is he gonna get this putting turned around?

1032
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this kid, I mean, this kid is playing.

1033
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: He is so much fun to watch play golf. And

1034
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, Brooks played a couple of practice

1035
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 1: rounds with him at the at the at the Ryder

1036
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: Cop and I I haven't seen him. I'm seen him

1037
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: a close in about a year. But yeah, he's impressive, man,

1038
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: I mean he is is legit impressive.

1039
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I want I'm want to turn the

1040
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: clock back a little bit. You know when when I

1041
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: mean when he first came out and people thought thought

1042
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: he was good, and then then he then he he

1043
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 2: just you know, went like an exossy, like a rocket,

1044
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: this right up to the stars. He was sensational. Then again,

1045
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 2: like we talked about with with Ludvegg, you know, how

1046
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: did he react? How did he react? He went even

1047
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: better and he became world's number one, and he absorbed

1048
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: it and he took it in his stride and he

1049
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 2: was sensational. Because that must be impossible almost to deal

1050
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: with it, and he was. He was absolutely stunning. And

1051
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: how he handled that and what what is required of

1052
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: him to be worlds Number one golfer. We've then going

1053
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 2: on to see him, you know, play at such such

1054
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: a level, you know, I mean that record what was

1055
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: over seventeen strokes gained at the players this year. He

1056
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: hit seventy six percent of greens in regulation this year.

1057
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: This guy's a stud, an absolute stud. And I'm almost

1058
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: in tears at watching him walk off a golf course

1059
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: not getting anything like what he deserves with the quality

1060
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: of golf that he plays. And it is interesting that well,

1061
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe started to happen now where he's

1062
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: almost focusing on that so much that it's becoming a

1063
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: bit of an issue. I think he stuck with a

1064
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: putter for such a long time. I mean, the definition

1065
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: of insanity is you keep doing the same thing over

1066
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: and over and over again and eventually and expecting to change,

1067
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: and it doesn't. You know, just change, Just change for

1068
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: five minutes, just change for a round, and just get

1069
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: something different. Subsequently, the event he then did change and

1070
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Speaker 2: nothing much happened. But I do not want I do

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00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: not want to see him have to suffer on the

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00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: greens like he has done in the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: and and I don't know what it is. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I saw Rory do it briefly for a couple of

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Speaker 2: years when he looked like he was scrutinizing every single

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00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: blade of grass on the green, trying to hit the

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Speaker 2: perfect part and forgetting just about putting. And I started

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00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: to look thing that that Scotty looks like he's trying

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00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: to do something similar. He's trying to perfect butt. He

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00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: struggles a wee bit with pace. And when the pace

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00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: is off, it doesn't matter whether you pick the line,

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00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: the balls not going on the on the path that

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00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: you're going to send it in. But you know, in

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00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: the in the in the New Years, in the New

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00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: Year's wish list, you know you wish for Scottish chefer

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Speaker 2: to actually find something in the greens, just to get

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00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: get something out of this game that that quality of

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00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 2: golf deserves.

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Speaker 1: Well, Andrew, we could talk for another couple of hours

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Speaker 1: on everything. Always great to get your take. Two things

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00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: I want I want from you before we leave, best

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00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: Scottish hangover cure.

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00:58:55,120 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: Well, just another drink, just keep going just just whatever

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00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: it was from last night, just just just just fill

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00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: up again.

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Speaker 1: My go to when I lived in Glasgow was a

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00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: bottle iron brew and square sausage sandwich.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd go for whiskey again.

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Speaker 1: Last thing I want you to do for all our listeners,

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Speaker 1: Andrew repeat this phrase, shaken not stirred. Give it to us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, dear boy, how would you let you? I'll have

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00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: my shaken not stop.

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00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: If the golf thing doesn't pan out the Sean Connery impersonations.

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Speaker 1: You can make make a good living doing that, mate.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That's very kind.

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Speaker 3: Good to see a pal. Hope we'll catch up soon.

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Speaker 1: And you're doing a great job at Scott keep it going.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Paul, Love you mate. You take care Okay, all

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Speaker 2: of that, bud.

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Speaker 1: So that was Andrew Coltart and listen. I'm lucky enough

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00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: to to spend a lot of time over the course

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00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: of each year with Andrew, and he has his finger

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Speaker 1: on the pulse of not only the professional game, but

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Speaker 1: specifically what is going on with European golf. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: played on a Wryder cop one on the DP World.

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01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: He's won all over the world and really really one

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Speaker 1: of the great voices in golf. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: everyone for listening to the pod. If you haven't gone

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Speaker 1: back and looked at some of the old episodes, We've

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Speaker 1: got some great ones with some great guests, and as

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Speaker 1: the winter months are coming, there's definitely guests that can

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01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: help you with your golf game and keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on my social Over the next couple of weeks, we're

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Speaker 1: going to be doing some giveaways. But I can't thank

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Speaker 1: everybody enough for listening. The pod continues to do well

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Speaker 1: and I continue to be surprised how many people listen.

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Speaker 1: Son of a Butcher comes to you every Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: We will see you next week.