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Speaker 1: Ten touched up. What's up?

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Speaker 2: Guys, Welcome into a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly,

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Speaker 2: as always, joined by the Voice of the Chargers, Matt

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Speaker 2: Muddy Smith. As we get into the month of June,

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Speaker 2: Mini camp next week, the second week of OTAs underway.

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Speaker 3: This week coming up.

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Speaker 2: Money has a great conversation with offensive coordinator Greg Roman

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Speaker 2: that I'll let him te up when the time is right,

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Speaker 2: But Money, we'll start with just observations for week two.

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Speaker 2: I know you were out there again earlier in the week,

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Speaker 2: Sanjay laws The theme was kind of wide receivers and

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Speaker 2: pass catchers at the at the podium this week and

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Speaker 2: some good stuff, some good nuggets from some of the

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Speaker 2: receivers and wide receivers coach Don Jay Lol.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, big fan of coach Lawl's. He's a quiet guy,

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Speaker 1: but when you get him rolling, he's a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun to listen to and to speak with because he's

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Speaker 1: very thoughtful, you know. He he attacks the wide receiver

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Speaker 1: position as a coach in a very technical way, in

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Speaker 1: a very specific way, and it's I don't want to

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Speaker 1: say scientific. I think that's kind of maybe overstating it

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but technical is probably the word you know,

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Speaker 1: he thinks there's certain things that you need to do

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Speaker 1: as a receiver in order to find success. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's hard to argue with him when you look

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Speaker 1: at where his stops have been. Specifically, you know, what

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Speaker 1: he did with DK Metcalf is an incredibly raw you know,

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Speaker 1: it's why he slid to the second round talent that

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Speaker 1: turned into a Pro Bowl, you know, potential All Pro receiver.

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Speaker 1: So you see what you know Lad did last year,

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Speaker 1: and it was just it was a really good eleven minutes,

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Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully we'll get him on charge. I

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Speaker 1: let Brock know, Brock's been great to us so far,

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Speaker 1: you know, Coach Ficken last week and obviously coach Minner.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear from Coach Roman in a minute. But

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Speaker 1: I said, yeah, we got we got to get him

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Speaker 1: in because he's someone that seems comfortable just kind of

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Speaker 1: sharing what he's discovered and what he thinks looks like

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Speaker 1: success from the wide receiver position. I think my biggest

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Speaker 1: takeaway from him, Chris, was when he said he kind

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Speaker 1: of gave these guys some homework some offseason. Hey, let's

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Speaker 1: see if we can hit this point when you guys

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Speaker 1: show up for OTAs, so we don't have to kind

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Speaker 1: of install and do all that stuff. And he said

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Speaker 1: all of them, you know, and I like the fact

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Speaker 1: that he said was it perfect? No, But I could

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Speaker 1: tell that all of them did their homework and they

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Speaker 1: all at least put themselves in a position to be

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Speaker 1: where I had hoped they would be when they came in.

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Speaker 1: And that helps us get a big jump. And I

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Speaker 1: think that just kind of speaks to the whole competitors welcome.

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Speaker 1: You know, how invested the players are and how much

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Speaker 1: they believe in this coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he commands the room. If you guys have not

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Speaker 3: watched the press or do yourselves a favor and do it.

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Speaker 2: It's like ten eleven minutes. And just again, when he

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Speaker 2: and he goes into great detail, and you know, just

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Speaker 2: hearing about this room this upcoming year. He talked about

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Speaker 2: Ladd and just his ascension from year one to year

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Speaker 2: two and just how he exceeded every expectation in year one.

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Speaker 3: He talked about Quentin said.

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Speaker 2: Quentin is the starter right now in that room. And

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Speaker 2: I thought that that was that was notable. That was notable.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 2: He talked about the rookies and how Trey Harrison, KeAndre

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Speaker 2: Lambert Smith very smart guys that are getting up to

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Speaker 2: speed on the playbook but are just not there physically

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Speaker 2: yet and from a conditioning standpoint, there's still a lot

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Speaker 2: way too early to kind of figure out exactly how

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Speaker 2: sense that you know, Ladd is undisputably the wide receiver

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny because I and I hope this

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Speaker 1: He does not like being called a slade. Like, I

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Speaker 1: And that's not Lad, not with that four to three

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Speaker 1: Like what did you think? Like, who do you know

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Speaker 1: for all the incoming that Q takes. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: from week eighteen. And I think his answer when asked

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Speaker 1: about Q, what do you want from him? Was perfect

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Speaker 1: and and it's just get better. Yeah, you know eight sension, Yeah, ascension.

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Speaker 1: He made a huge jump from year one to year two.

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Speaker 1: If he's able to make a jump from year two

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Speaker 1: of I think that's the one thing about Q that

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Speaker 1: like that the Chargers were lacking in receipt pass catchers.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you think about Josh Palmer being banged up,

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Speaker 3: I tend to be a little bit more positive with

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Speaker 2: Q was in the worst situation he could be in

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Speaker 2: his rookie year, and he really took a big lead

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Speaker 2: in your time. And yeah, he had some games where

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Speaker 2: So the way that I read it with coach Lawl

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Speaker 2: Quinton was in the room last year. Those are my guys.

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Speaker 2: Those are the starters last year, and they're gonna be

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Speaker 2: the starters in June. On June fifth, now, let's see

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Speaker 2: how it works out with Trey Harrison. Let's get him

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Conklin, you know Mike's been away from the

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Speaker 2: his kind of two point zero with the Chargers. But man, like,

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Speaker 2: we should all be rooting for Quentin to be the

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Speaker 2: that's the case, then you know he's taking another leap.

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Speaker 2: And again, if you if you dismiss what he did

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Speaker 2: You didn't see how how much better he.

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Speaker 1: Got the I guess the thing for look, q needs

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Speaker 1: to be more consistent. Yes, we all know that everybody

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Speaker 1: is well, and he knows that, and Coach Law knows that,

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Speaker 1: That's that's not there's nothing wrong with saying that. What

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Speaker 1: what I don't understand is just like it's almost like

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Speaker 1: consistency is what has plagued him. And it's one of

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Speaker 1: going through the same drills and trying to get him

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Speaker 1: to be a better receiver of the football, to get

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Speaker 1: him to be more consistent. Like, I just assume it's

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. So root for him to be great, don't.

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Speaker 1: Don't root for him to not be the starter. Root

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Speaker 1: for him to have a killer camp, to get out

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Speaker 1: and someone's going to be stashed on the practice squad

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Speaker 1: no one else. I don't have a vision of, oh,

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Speaker 1: here comes Tomari Cooper or here, like I just don't

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Speaker 1: see that happening. It could, But from my standpoint, when

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Speaker 1: I think about lad Q, Mike uh and then the

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Speaker 1: two draft picks, that's five. They love Jalen Rager. The

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Speaker 1: But I think I think you're just going to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be better. It's going to be better.

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Speaker 3: The position group is. Year two in a program with.

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Speaker 3: It's not a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think people forget when Zion was drafted, he

433
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Speaker 1: was the number one. I mean, look, Kenyon Green, the

434
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 1: Texans took him before the Chargers took Zion, but for

435
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Speaker 1: most people, he was the number one guard and he

436
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Speaker 1: was the Well the Chargers picking at seventeen, and you

437
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Speaker 1: think about what they have in Justin Herbert. They invested

438
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Speaker 1: in the offensive line of Rashaan Slater. Is this time

439
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: Telesco you know, having some scar tissue because Andrew Luck

440
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 1: never got a good offensive line in front of him.

441
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Speaker 1: This could be a spot and this could be there.

442
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: Zach Martin like that's that was the discussion around Zion

443
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Speaker 1: because of you don't draft the guard, you draft tackles,

444
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Speaker 1: and you're willing to take a flyer on tackles because

445
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Speaker 1: of how hard it is to find them in the position.

446
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: You very rarely take a flyer on guards. You're taking

447
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Speaker 1: a guard because they have been dominant in college and

448
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: that's what Zion was like. So it was in there

449
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: and now they just gotta they gotta find it. But

450
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Speaker 1: you know, follow that that, follow those breadcrumbs and try

451
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Speaker 1: to find it because they at let us, like we said,

452
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Speaker 1: you know it's me and look it's yes, it's hopeful,

453
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: it is. It is. It is trying to see the

454
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Speaker 1: glass is half full, no doubt, I'm willing to acknowledge

455
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Speaker 1: that with some of the struggles that that have happened.

456
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Speaker 1: But it's it's there. It's like, it's all there. It's

457
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Speaker 1: just a matter of why isn't it working at the

458
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Speaker 1: level we thought it would. Can we figure can we

459
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Speaker 1: identify why the why? And then can we come up

460
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Speaker 1: with an answer? And I think this is all part

461
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Speaker 1: of that process of trying to come up with the

462
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: answer for an individual that has everything you could ever

463
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Speaker 1: want in a player for the interior of the offensive

464
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Speaker 1: line position.

465
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Speaker 2: Massive upgrade you mentioned Makai Beckton. I also think just

466
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: from a depth perspective, right, if Tray's your your swing tackle,

467
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: who could play guard, that's great. Jamari Sawyer has some

468
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: starts under his belt. So you have that guy Andre James,

469
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Speaker 2: so you have more depth than you did last year

470
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Speaker 2: at the offensive line. And again maybe maybe Ota is

471
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: in mini camp in the beginning of training camp leads

472
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Speaker 2: you to believe you need somebody else. And then you know,

473
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Speaker 2: as I mentioned, Joe Ortiz is not afraid to find

474
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Speaker 2: another player to bring in if if something.

475
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Speaker 1: Isn't working, there's guys out there. Brandon Sheriff's out there,

476
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez is out there. Dudes are out there. If

477
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Speaker 1: you feel like that's a better solution, you know, yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: so go ahead, Chris.

479
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Speaker 2: No, I was just going to say, do you have

480
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Speaker 2: anything else? I was going to tee you up for

481
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Speaker 2: Roman because I.

482
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Speaker 1: Was just going to say, you know, defensively. You know,

483
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Speaker 1: obviously bud Dupree gets the one year extension. It's an

484
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Speaker 1: interesting one. Just is it them trying to you know,

485
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Speaker 1: because it'll maybe Ree up a million or two million,

486
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Speaker 1: but like it's an interesting time to do that extension,

487
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Speaker 1: to put one year on that, but they did. So

488
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Speaker 1: Whenever I see something like that, I always go, Okay,

489
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Speaker 1: what's it's the motivation here? Why are they doing this?

490
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Speaker 1: And for someone in this in the case of Bud

491
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Speaker 1: as kind of your your third or fourth edge depending

492
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Speaker 1: on how Canard comes along or what it is that

493
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Speaker 1: you're looking for. You know, he's more of a DPR

494
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Speaker 1: and you know, whereas Bud is is kind of more

495
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Speaker 1: of your run setting edge that can you know, also

496
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Speaker 1: get some pass rush for you. But okay, so why

497
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Speaker 1: do they do that? And like I'm anxious to see why,

498
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Speaker 1: Like what is it that went into that and what

499
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Speaker 1: could be coming behind it? And you know, I don't

500
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: think it would impact the Rashawn Slater signing it all,

501
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, that getting an extra million or two million bucks.

502
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Speaker 1: But to me, that's kind of like the biggest thing

503
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to as we record this on a

504
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Speaker 1: Thursday for next week is on Tuesday, I'm I'm hoping

505
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Speaker 1: that I see Rashawn Slater out there. That would signal

506
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Speaker 1: to me that, you know, the negotiations are what they are,

507
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Speaker 1: that they're they're going there, they're lobbing stuff, numbers back

508
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: and forth, and they're figuring it out and at least

509
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: they have a foundation and now they're just trying to,

510
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, get those bolts so we can lay the

511
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Speaker 1: two by fours on top of the of the bolts

512
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: and then you know, get the nut to screw him

513
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Speaker 1: in and start building this house. And if he's not

514
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: there and you can get fined and it's mandatory and

515
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: you decide not to show up to mandatory, then I

516
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Speaker 1: get a little nervous. Oh wow, maybe they're a lot

517
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: farther apart, and how much of this is medical and

518
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: them saying, hey, you can't expect us to take on

519
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: all that. You've got to take someone's you know what

520
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if it gets to that. So that's my

521
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: number one thing for next week.

522
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Speaker 3: Is yeah, that'll be number one. That would be defining

523
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Speaker 3: in there storyline list on Chargers Weekly.

524
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Speaker 2: I think at the very least with Bud, Bud fits

525
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: so well in that locker room from the beginning of

526
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: them and they love them so again it brings another

527
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Speaker 2: veteran presence to go with Khalil and knowing that Bud,

528
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Speaker 2: you know, has it has that one year extension.

529
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Speaker 3: I think that's as it's a good thing probably for

530
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Speaker 3: the locker room.

531
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Speaker 2: You know, that's a good point. You know, We've done

532
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 2: so many great interviews during the offseason with coaches and

533
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: like it's almost like this coaches GM series where you

534
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: get to learn a lot more about the player the coach,

535
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: rather the philosophy the players through the coach. So horties

536
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: the Jesse Mental one was fantastic. I thought Ryan Ficken

537
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: was great last week, learning more about his journey and

538
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: just kind of how he coaches special teams. And you

539
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: were lucky to talk to Greg Roman earlier this week. Man,

540
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Speaker 2: so I'll see you up for that.

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just set it up like this. Find a

542
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: comfortable chair, if you're hungry, get a snack. If you

543
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: have to hit the head, go hit it real quick.

544
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Speaker 1: I did not anticipate him hanging out as long as

545
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Speaker 1: he did, you know, on what was a busy day.

546
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Speaker 1: But we just started talking and then we looked at

547
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: our watches and it was like forty minutes had passed.

548
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Speaker 1: So get comfortable and because and he's very forthcoming and insightful,

549
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: and it was it was a lot of fun. Well

550
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: join right now by Chargers offensive coordinator Greg Roman and

551
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: coach been a while now. We appreciate you coming in

552
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: And I guess I'll just start with something that you

553
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: hear regularly in football, and that's you know, another year

554
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: in the system, same system, continuity. Why is that important

555
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: and how how different is it maybe for Justin and

556
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: the offense that this is the second year partnering with

557
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: you and trying to get this thing going.

558
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, great question. I think if you were

559
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: watching our practices this time of year last year and

560
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 4: this time of this year this year, it would answer itself.

561
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 4: If that makes any sense. I think it's really important.

562
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: I think it's it's a huge the benefit of having

563
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 4: time on task together, working together, understanding each other better,

564
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: understanding what I'm looking for, understanding what he how he

565
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 4: might prefer to do things that working symbiosis, so to speak.

566
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: You know, it's you know, it's very important. And you

567
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 4: know our guys are out there working right now and

568
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 4: it's completely different than it was this time last year. It's, uh,

569
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: you know, we're a lot further ahead. We you know,

570
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 4: we kind of understand where we are a lot of

571
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 4: work to do, but it's very exciting.

572
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: So I said, try and I mean to keep it

573
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Speaker 1: going and build on that from from last year. And

574
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Speaker 1: because a lot of times you'll hear people say, oh,

575
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: a lot of it's the same. It's sort of terminology

576
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: and vernacular and things like that. But kind of give

577
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: us an idea of what you walked into, sort of

578
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: what the guys that we're already here we're working with,

579
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: and what you wanted to implement because we heard one

580
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: sort of word it felt like over and over again

581
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: that's physicality, being a physical team, and how you tried

582
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: to implement that and maybe where you felt like you

583
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: were at the end of last season versus where you

584
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: think you can go with it this year.

585
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, physicality has got to be a part of it.

586
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 4: It's got to be, you know if if if not,

587
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: it'll hold you back this league. You know, I could

588
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: point to the most recent Super Bowl champions for example.

589
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: You know, if you can control the trenches, it really

590
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: gives you a lot of flexibility to open up what

591
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: you do and do a variety of things. Well, So

592
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: that's gonna definitely be a big point of focus for us.

593
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 4: You know, last year coming in it was we had

594
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: a great offseason and then justin kind of missed most

595
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Speaker 4: of training camp. So the months of September for us

596
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: last year was training camp in a big way, and

597
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 4: we got out of it too. And two and then really,

598
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 4: if you want to look at our offense, you really

599
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: need to look at it from October through the end

600
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 4: of the year and see where we rank and all that.

601
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's pretty telling because that first

602
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: month we were literally it was just just had just

603
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 4: gotten back in the PRAC this field right before the

604
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: opening day, and you know, that first month was me

605
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: figuring things out, everybody figuring things out. It was a

606
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: little choppy at times, a little choppy.

607
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Speaker 1: So yeah, and then Carolina he gets the injury, you know,

608
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: the ankle, and you know, we know what that looked like.

609
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: So how does that then? So you've got these three

610
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: weeks no training camp, then Carolina and it comes back.

611
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: You see it humming those first you know, two and

612
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: a half quarters. Then that injury comes. How does that

613
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: affect what you're able to do so early in the season.

614
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was kind of a perfect storm

615
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: last year in that regard. I mean, he's just so

616
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: double tough that he insisted on playing against Pittsburgh and

617
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: Kansas City. So it really changed kind of what we

618
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: did and we had to try to bob and weave

619
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Speaker 4: a little bit there, rope a dope if you will.

620
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 4: But it's tough to do in this league. I mean,

621
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: you got to be able to go out and execute.

622
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 4: And I think once we had that bye week early,

623
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Speaker 4: you know, I think that's when he was able to

624
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: kind of get himself healthy, had had some real time

625
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: on task underneath him because he'd been He's been in

626
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: several systems in the prior couple of years, so this

627
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: was another system more you know, total learning, which he

628
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: completely immersed himself in. But when you watch him out

629
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: there right now, I mean he can run practice. You know,

630
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: he can run the practice. It's a big difference.

631
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to when you said trenches, and I

632
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: think when someone says trenches, we immediately think O line.

633
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: But it's not just a line, right, Like you're going

634
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: to control the trenches kind of based on what the

635
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: entire offense is capable of doing to control the trenches.

636
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: So maybe kind of take us through sort of what,

637
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, what leads to you being able to dominate

638
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: in the trenches versus just having five guys you know,

639
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: playing or a tight end that's block and they're really good.

640
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's where it starts. That's

641
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: where it starts. I've been fortunate to have been around

642
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 4: a lot of really good offensive lines, and tight ends

643
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: over my career and UH it starts with who you

644
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: have and and their abilities and commitment to uh to

645
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: playing that style, and then from there it comes down to,

646
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: you know, making things match and work, and you know,

647
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: what can we really do? Who are we? You know,

648
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: are we doing what we should be doing relative to

649
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 4: you know, our skill set and where we're at. We're

650
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: always going to try to push the envelope, try to

651
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: keep teams off balance a little bit, probably more so

652
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 4: in the coming this year and the moving forward Last

653
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 4: year was a little bit a little bit more straightforward

654
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: type of offense. I think we'll probably open things up,

655
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 4: move things around a little bit more this year. But

656
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 4: when you can control the line of scrimmage and you're

657
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: I think, I think what you need to do is

658
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 4: look at the the the opposite situation where you can't

659
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 4: control the line of scrimmage, and then work backwards, because

660
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: if you can't, then your running game is going to

661
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: be very spotty at best, uh even poor and anemic

662
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 4: to where people don't even respect it. Uh, and your

663
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: pass protection will be suspect. So now you basically are

664
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: backing yourself into a corner where you got to throw

665
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 4: the ball quick. Uh, your quarterback better. Weal to anticipate

666
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 4: and throw throw the ball, you know early, get it

667
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 4: out early. And now all of a sudden, you start

668
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: to build this profile where defenses can say, well, we

669
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: ain't worried about the run and we know they're not

670
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 4: going to do anything where he's got to hold the

671
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 4: ball too much because they can't pass pro uh. And

672
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: now you're playing in this little box and that's not

673
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: a good place to be. So conversely, you know, you

674
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 4: got the you got some studs up front, some guys,

675
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: you got that old line humming. Pass protection is good

676
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: run games effective. Now now we have we hold all

677
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: the cards at that point and it's up to us

678
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: to execute. So it's a great formula. Last year, the

679
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: running game was not where we wanted to be at all. However,

680
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 4: I will say that there were some really timely runs.

681
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 4: You think back to the Denver game, the Cincinnati game,

682
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 4: the Raiders games. There were some really timely, big, big

683
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: runs that we hit that really helped us win the game,

684
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 4: some really good situational running. But overall, we really feel

685
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 4: like we can make up big strides in that area

686
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 4: this year.

687
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: So just on that, why why do you think it

688
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, didn't go quite how you wanted it to go,

689
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: because clearly you've got a brand new running back room.

690
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: You got Anaugi in there, You've got Amarian Hampton your

691
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: first round pick, you know, and so I know a

692
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: lot of people look at the backs, but just kind

693
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: of that whole operation and what you may be.

694
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna It's just there's

695
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: a lot of factors involved. I've been around some really

696
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: good running games as the Cornet, and I know what

697
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 4: it looks like and I know how to do it.

698
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: I really feel like we're gonna make some big strides

699
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: there this year. And you know, I said it last year.

700
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 4: Can you imagine Justin Herbert with a really good running game?

701
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, I think, uh, I think it's

702
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: so to be really excited about for us and all

703
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: our fans.

704
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: So just you know, going back to that the games

705
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: that you know, the running games you've been involved in it,

706
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: I just you know, I was calling Stanford games when

707
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: you guys were there and watching Toby Gearhart Wreck Shop

708
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: and just that level of physicality and calling Pac twelve

709
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: Pac ten games, Pack twelve games was really fun. Just

710
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: to see how you were able to take advantage of

711
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: what was a you know, for I guess lack of

712
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: a better term, kind of a lightening ass defense sort

713
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: of conference. And then you know, we talked about San

714
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Francisco last week. I think we were having this conversation

715
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: on the pod about Frank Gore and then just all

716
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: the physicality you had in Baltimore. So with this group, yeah,

717
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: so like and it looked like, you know, you got

718
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: JK and you got Gus last year and his sound's

719
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: a big guy. It looked like, yeah, let's try to

720
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: do it. So what about this group excites You can

721
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: see you kind of sitting up a little bit about

722
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: this particular group of guys that you have going into

723
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: this year.

724
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, Joe, you're going to see a

725
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: hands down all pro this year. You know, I mean,

726
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: hands down all I can see it right now. Why

727
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: I think last year? But yeah, last year was you know,

728
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: what was he twenty years old? He was like, you know, Clifford,

729
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 4: the big red dog, you know, figuring things out now

730
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 4: I can tell. I mean he's really worked hard this offseason.

731
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 4: His body is like, you know, he's like three hundred

732
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 4: and thirty pounds. You know, he's kind of getting into

733
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: that that man strength, you know what I mean, And

734
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 4: he understands. He walked right into my office the last

735
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: day of the day after the season and went through

736
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 4: a litany of things that he feels like he's going

737
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: to do better, and he's already doing him out here,

738
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: like just little detail things, you know, elite level type stuff.

739
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: So he's going to take a huge jump. Makai Beckton,

740
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: who we added. You know, I've loved this guy forever

741
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: and we're just really fortunate that he's here. I mean,

742
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: he's three hundred and sixty five pounds of a wrecking

743
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 4: ball and that's going to make a big difference. Yeah,

744
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 4: big difference, you know. And then the rest of our

745
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: old line, whether it's Slater, Zion Bozeman, and then you know,

746
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 4: Jamari Sawiers come back in great shape. He's down thirty pounds,

747
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 4: he looks great, he's moving great. He's still a big,

748
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 4: physical guy who knows how to play. So really impressed

749
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 4: with that too, So you know, excited about it. And

750
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 4: we got our goon tight end squad too. You know,

751
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: we got Fisk and Scottie Mattlocke who you know, they

752
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: are they kind of like the enforcers on a hockey team,

753
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 4: you know, we throw them out there, you know, try

754
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 4: to get medieval.

755
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: So I think I saw that my favorite stat from

756
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: last year, and I wish I remembered the exact number,

757
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: but the Chargers ran more plays with eight or more

758
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: players two hundred and fifty pounds or heavier than any

759
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: other team. And I think you clocked in somewhere around

760
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: forty to fifty plays and the next highest was like eleven. Okay,

761
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: oh my nights was obviously Matt Lockfisk, Disley all out

762
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: there with the offensive line. Just the benefit of that,

763
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: what you see in that sort of offense when you

764
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: put eight of those guys on the field.

765
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it's a it's a huge advantage.

766
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: And I think defensive coordinators would agree with that because

767
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: most teams, you know, they come out, they're in one

768
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 4: personnel group, you know, a lighter personnel group or whatever

769
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: that is. And you know, that's when defensive coordinators can

770
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 4: really get into their extensive nickel package, all the exotic

771
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 4: things that they work on. And when you start getting

772
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 4: those bigger fellows out there everyone you add, the more

773
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: you regulate what the defense is willing to do. So

774
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 4: they're going to play a very much simpler style of

775
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 4: defense generally speaking. So now I've cut their call sheet

776
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: all the way down to that, and now we've got

777
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: the ability to run the ball with big big folks.

778
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: Try to create some matchup issues for them. And oh,

779
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 4: by the way, the play action pass, you know which

780
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: came first, the chicken or the egg? You know, they

781
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 4: work hand in hand. They're the same. To me. People

782
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: look at rushing stats. I don't. I look at run

783
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 4: and play action together how effective they are because they

784
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 4: marry together. And if they're overplaying the run, we should

785
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: be great in play action pass. If they're respecting the pass,

786
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: we should be good in the run game. So you know,

787
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: the bare bone stat line doesn't do it for me.

788
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: You know, I want to dig a little deeper.

789
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Where do you think that was last year?

790
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: Very good? I believe we were second in the league

791
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: in play action pass behind the Lions. Who watching them

792
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 4: last year, I think they might have had the best

793
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: play action passing of all time. That's I think somebody

794
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: told me that. I don't know if that's true, but

795
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 4: when you look at it, it might have been. It was

796
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: it was damn impressive, but we were second, so that

797
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 4: was quite a jump from where they'd been prior the

798
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 4: run game. If we once once we get that thing elevated.

799
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: Now now now we're really we're cooking with gas.

800
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things that we talked about as

801
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: well is just you've always had, you know, you've always

802
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: done great work with tight ends, you know, just every stop.

803
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: Like I said, going back to those Stanford days and

804
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: watching you know, Fleeener and toy Lolo and those guys,

805
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: and then to San Francisco and obviously what Vernon Davis

806
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: became when you guys got there to Baltimore. Just kind

807
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: of what you were able to do last year. You know,

808
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: the injury to Hayden certainly hit you hard there and

809
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: that that preseason, but just kind of what you saw

810
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: on Will and what his profile was versus what you

811
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: were able to do, you know, using him in that

812
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: passing game, and and now what you see you know

813
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: in front of you with Tyler and and with Tyler

814
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: Conklin and the drafting of Gadsden as well.

815
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, uh, you know, Will last year, once

816
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 4: we kind of got a feel for him, we were

817
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 4: able to kind of deploy him towards his strengths, which

818
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 4: you know, he's got a nice feel for the passing game.

819
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 4: I thought he felt he'd built. He spent a lot

820
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 4: of time working with justin built a good rapport with him.

821
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: Really excited about Tyler Conklin. This guy, I think is

822
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: a little bit of a genie in a bottle where

823
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: nobody's gonna really think, oh, you know, that's not that

824
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 4: big of a signing or this or that. But man,

825
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, just being out here with him, this

826
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: guy's got a chance to be special.

827
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: What do you like? What is it? What do you see?

828
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: I think this guy's an underrated guy in the passing game,

829
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: and I think he's a good blocker, so he can

830
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: be a nice complete tight end. But uh, I love

831
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 4: his attitude. This guy's one of us, And uh really

832
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 4: really glad we got him. Joe and and Joe and

833
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: the crew went out and got him, and then really

834
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 4: excited about Gatston too. He had some really nice plays

835
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 4: in practice the other day. You know, he's right now,

836
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: he's more of a passing game orient a tight end,

837
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: so we're gonna try to round him out. But I

838
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 4: think he's got huge potential as his career builds. We'll

839
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 4: see how much he can do this year and how

840
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: much he can contribute. We're counting on it. But I

841
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 4: feel confident knowing the guy and watching his skill. This

842
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: guy's gonna be a player for the Chargers, big time

843
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 4: player as time moves forward. And then, you know, Ladd

844
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: was such a such a surprise, not a surprise, but

845
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 4: he was such a such a weapon, I mean, just

846
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: so dependable, and we were able to do things with

847
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 4: Ladd and year one that you generally don't do with

848
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 4: a guy until year three or four. You know, his

849
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 4: his IQ is football IQ. We a lot of different

850
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: things that create give him options to get open and

851
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 4: stuff like that, you know, next level, graduate level stuff

852
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 4: as I like to call it. So we're really looking

853
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: forward to growing in that department too, because our receiving

854
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 4: corps right now, compared to this time last year, it's

855
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: and day.

856
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: So let's let's get into that. Just because you know,

857
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: like you said, Lad, you know, surprise you you shouldn't,

858
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, I always hate saying that because it suggests

859
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: the guy you didn't think was capable of doing that.

860
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 4: That's not the case of mehing No, it's a rookie.

861
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 4: You know, you expect a rookie to come in and

862
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: set the all time rookie right exactly like the Chargers,

863
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 4: which is the Chargers have had amazing receivers here.

864
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: What's crazy what he was able to do? Yeah, no doubt,

865
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: but just what you you know, when we saw Q

866
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: take a step from where he was his rookie year.

867
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: But then it just felt like with the injury to

868
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: DJ and Mike Williams being gone, and you know, Simmy

869
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: filled that role for a sec, but just it felt

870
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: like you needed that that X receiver out there that

871
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: that you were looking for. And I don't know if

872
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: that's fair or not to like say, it just never

873
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: quite felt. Now we look out there and there's Mike

874
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: Williams and there's Trey Harris, and you feel like, okay,

875
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: I can now see how this is all lining up.

876
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: Kind of Is that fair what you felt like you

877
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: had last year to have a complete passing game versus,

878
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: like you said, what you see out there this year.

879
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: Well, I think it starts with, you know, where the

880
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: receiving group is at in terms of fundamentals, how they

881
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: play the game, down in and down out. And I think, uh,

882
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: you know, Sanjay Low has done a great job working

883
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: with these guys. I mean they're a completely different unit

884
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: now from a discipline standpoint, being on point, playing and

885
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 4: down in and down out. And then uh, you know,

886
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 4: I think we've added a lot of talent, you know,

887
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 4: really excited, really excited about our two draft picks. You know,

888
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 4: I think those guys are affording themselves well. And then

889
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 4: you know, Lad's gonna get better and better, and Q

890
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 4: is having a great spring so far, so I see

891
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 4: him taking another step this year. And then Jalen Rager, uh,

892
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: you know, JJ Dez, all the you know, and obviously Mike,

893
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: you know, all these guys are going to factor in.

894
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: So love how that group's playing right now. And excited

895
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 4: about them, the rookies. You know, we're just going to

896
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: keep pushing them, pushing them, pushing them to to you know,

897
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: get up to par with the Vets.

898
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: So when you have someone like Ladd, who's you just

899
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, like, I know, you don't like, you know,

900
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: you said the stat thing, but when you look at

901
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: the stats and it's you know, the only other slot

902
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: receiver that was more effective than him from the slot

903
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: with City Lamb, that was it last year? And then

904
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: Lad's right there. So but we saw you use him

905
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: outside and he was incredibly effective outside as well. So like,

906
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: what is your vision, you know, with with Ladd, and

907
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: what is the best way Is there a best best

908
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: way to deploy him? Is it the slot or is

909
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: it being able to move him around a lot?

910
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, we're going to move him around. I mean,

911
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: you know, the guy's got some serious talent and a

912
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 4: serious will to get it get it done, even in

913
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: the playoff game. Look at his production on the playoffs

914
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: Cariple team.

915
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: It was crazy.

916
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, he's a guy that we're just

917
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: going to continue to grow with and uh, you know,

918
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 4: but you know, and when they double Lad, you got

919
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 4: to play the percentages. The ball needs to go somewhere else.

920
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: And they started doubling them pretty early in the year. Actually,

921
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 4: starting in week five, we started to see some real

922
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 4: like double coverage on Lad and continued throughout the season.

923
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 4: So that's going to open up opportunities for everybody else

924
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: and we got to be ready to take advantage of those. Yeah,

925
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 4: you know, and justin you know, watching him out there

926
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: right now, like I said, he could run the practice.

927
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: He's just got everything. You know, he owns it now.

928
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, if you're a receiver, you want

929
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 4: to play here because that you know he can put

930
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: the ball. You know, I'm not speak you know, you

931
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: go out and watch him every day. He can put

932
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 4: the ball wherever you want it, wherever it needs to go,

933
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: and that everybody can't do that. So you know, he's

934
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 4: only going to multiply these guys' skills, you know, but

935
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 4: overall the mindset where they're at, the competitiveness, understanding the offense.

936
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 4: I think the receiving core is going to be I

937
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 4: think we're going to create some issues for people this year.

938
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: Hopefully we went this long and that's the first time

939
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: we really brought up Justin, you know, outside of talking

940
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: about you know, his second year in the system. So

941
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: just your what, I guess, what your impressions were coming in,

942
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: what you thought you were gonna to get with Justin

943
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: versus you know, what you discovered after he got here

944
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: and you worked with him, and how that maybe affects

945
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: year two and what you're you know, sort of envisioning

946
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: being able to do with him.

947
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's straightforward. You know, we want to

948
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 4: have a balanced attack so he's got to be in

949
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 4: charge and completely in control of the running game as well,

950
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 4: and all those mental gymnastics of getting us in the

951
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: right play that type of thing. But overall, I mean,

952
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 4: I mean, this guy's a sniper and uh, you know,

953
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 4: I think he should be in the MVP discussion every year.

954
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 4: I know he was last year, and uh, you know,

955
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 4: he's that type of play. He's an MVP type of player.

956
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 4: He doesn't care about all that. He just wants to

957
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: go out and win. And uh but I mean as

958
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 4: far as his mind, it's it's it's you know, highly impressive,

959
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: highly impressive ability to uh take in a ton of

960
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 4: information and uh disseminate it quickly, very very you know

961
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: A plus. His ability to throw the ball a plus,

962
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 4: toughness a plus. Uh, this guy, this guy is a

963
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: special person, special player, and uh, you know, we're looking

964
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: forward to, uh, you know, really trying to push the

965
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 4: envelope this year and see how good we can be.

966
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: We've seen you do great things with quarterbacks, you know,

967
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: using their feet and just kind of how much of

968
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: that injury last year maybe went into not seeing as

969
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: much of that from justin as a lot of people

970
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: thought you know, they see the offense you have and

971
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: they're like, man, this is going to be fun. And

972
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: I would just assume that that was was part of it.

973
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: Is that do you think? Is that right? You think

974
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: we'll see a little bit more of that this year?

975
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so. I mean, I think when he

976
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 4: used his legs, it really affected the games. When you

977
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 4: look at the Denver game, the Bengals game, the Carolina game.

978
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 4: Off the top of my head, you know, he can

979
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: really affect the game with his legs. He's a great athlete,

980
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 4: and it creates so much stress on the defense when

981
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 4: they have to defend that. Now, that was off the

982
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: table most of last year. It started to pick up

983
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 4: a little bit more towards the three quarters of the

984
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 4: way through. So you know, I think hopefully, you know,

985
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: we're gonna work on becoming better at the second play,

986
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 4: so to speak, whether it's him scrambling to throw or

987
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 4: scrambling to run, you know, we'll do We'll definitely have

988
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 4: some quarterback driven run game stuff available. How much of

989
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 4: it we do it will be dependent on what we

990
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: need to win a game, you know. But but yeah,

991
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 4: I mean, his ability to affect the game that way

992
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 4: is well documented unfortunately last year. I mean jeez, early

993
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 4: in the season, you know, it was like he couldn't

994
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 4: move hardly at all. So so, yeah, that's exciting. Another

995
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 4: exciting thing.

996
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that kind of one of the things you hear,

997
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: one of the sort of debate points is that it's

998
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: more dangerous for the quarterback to be in the pocket

999
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: historically looking at injuries to quarterbacks than it is for

1000
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: them to be outside running around. Do you subscribe to that?

1001
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: Do you worry at all about your quarterback being out

1002
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 1: there running?

1003
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: It's all how you handle it. And uh, I always

1004
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 4: say this, when you're in the pocket with your eyes

1005
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 4: glued downfield trying to you know, you're not in control

1006
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 4: of that. But if you're out in space, you're in control.

1007
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: And uh, I've I've lived it, Yeah, as a coach,

1008
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: not as not as.

1009
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: A as a coach, I've.

1010
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 4: Lived that whole thing every day for a long, long

1011
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 4: period of time. Where and you find you come to

1012
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 4: find that if you manage when you're outside the pocket,

1013
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 4: and you manage it the right way, it's actually a

1014
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 4: great advantage for you.

1015
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

1016
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: And you know, you probably have less chance of getting

1017
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 4: dinged than you know, sitting in there with the bodies

1018
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 4: that you don't know how they're getting. You know, you

1019
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 4: get one o linement that gets bent back or opened up,

1020
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 4: and then you got bodies falling and et cetera, et cetera.

1021
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 4: When you're in space, I'm gonna run out of bounds,

1022
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna run and get down, I'm gonna slide, I'm

1023
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 4: gonna throw. You know, you're in more control. You've got control.

1024
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: You got the wheel at that.

1025
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: Point, Yeah, you know, and it's it's it's odd to

1026
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: think that. But at the same time, you know, I

1027
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: think back to Carolina, right and you're up, and it's like,

1028
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: you know what, because you've said he's double tough, right,

1029
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: So how how is how tough is your job? When

1030
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: you're like, no, is that hard to say, Hey, let's

1031
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: just every now and then, let's let's, you know, make

1032
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: sure we don't take those those hits because we've seen

1033
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: him take them in and usually he just pops right

1034
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: back up and he's justin Herbert. He's a giant, he's

1035
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: a titan out there. So you don't think twice about it.

1036
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: Is that hard for an offensive coordinator to say, sometimes

1037
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: just kill the play.

1038
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: It's Okay, Yeah, I mean it's a discussion. It's a discussion.

1039
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: He's a reasonable person, so I can have a discussion

1040
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 4: of him, you know, and you know, once if somebody's reasonable,

1041
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: I can we can reason things out. But I mean,

1042
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: there's there's something there. There's that sweet spot, there's a

1043
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 4: fine line, the delicate tap dance, all those all those

1044
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: sayings of you know, how much is good and how

1045
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 4: much is you know, you want to draw the line.

1046
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 4: So in the heat of battle, I'm gonna leave that

1047
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 4: up to him. But we're going to have those discussions

1048
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 4: and say, you know, we're gonna try to leverage probabilities,

1049
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 4: We're gonna try to leverage percentages for you know, for

1050
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 4: us short term, long term and just making great decisions

1051
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 4: out there, you know, in the heat of battle. So

1052
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 4: but yeah, I trust him with that. I trust him

1053
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 4: and we have good discussions about it.

1054
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: Right another discussion, where do you come out. I don't

1055
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: know if this is the right way to phrase it.

1056
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: Just the quarterback sneak the I think the tush push

1057
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: is something entirely different, which is kind of what I've

1058
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: said on here and talking to players, you know, having

1059
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: done this, you know, as long as I have is

1060
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: that's a rough play for a quarterback man. They're getting there,

1061
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: their butts kicked when they sneak the ball, and defensive

1062
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: players can take some shots at them when they're in

1063
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: there doing it, so were, but it seems to be

1064
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: an incredibly effective play. So kind of what is the

1065
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: balance there and how do you feel about the sneak

1066
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: versus handing it to a back and trying to get

1067
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: short yardage that way?

1068
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, Well, it depends who you are. And you know,

1069
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 4: for example, the tush Push is basically owned and operated

1070
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 4: by Philly. Yeah, and you know, I think their quarterback

1071
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 4: squat's like seven hundred pounds, right, So that has a

1072
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 4: lot to do with it, a lot to do with it.

1073
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 4: And you know, they they've kind of taken that play

1074
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 4: and made it their own and become experts at it.

1075
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 4: It's a very physical play for everybody involved the whole line.

1076
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 4: That is a physical play. But they got you know,

1077
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 4: they got to a body type of quarterback that's really

1078
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 4: good at it, and you know, it's a highly highly

1079
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 4: effective play. I mean with them, you just can't let

1080
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 4: him get in third and two or less. You know,

1081
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 4: that's what you got to win first and second down,

1082
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 4: I guess. But as far as us, you know, we'll

1083
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 4: use it as a weapon when we feel like it's advantageous.

1084
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 4: Justin's a really good at it. He's a big physical guy,

1085
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 4: and h third and one, when you look at it historically,

1086
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 4: is usually a two for three proposition two out of

1087
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 4: three league wide. You'd think it'd be more than that.

1088
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: You know, it's one yard, but they're geared up for it,

1089
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 4: and you know, do you want to throw a low

1090
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 4: percentage pass or can we figure out a way to

1091
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 4: get a yard? So you know, I think you're gonna

1092
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 4: do some of that throwing the ball at times, but

1093
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 4: if you can get a look where you can sneak

1094
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: that thing, it's it's the simplest, easiest way to go.

1095
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 4: And he did a great job with that yest year.

1096
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: Where do you this is going to perhaps expose me?

1097
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: Is the more on that I am, But I would

1098
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: love to know where do you come out on packing

1099
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: it in and using all this size versus spread it

1100
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: out and just having five guys there on the line

1101
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: of scrimmage on a third and one, even if he's

1102
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: under center or something and trying to.

1103
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 4: Get it that way depends who you're playing. Yeah, it

1104
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: really does, and what they do and whatnot. I mean,

1105
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: you know, as a general statement what you just said,

1106
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 4: pack them in or spread them out, Like, I'll take

1107
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 4: that to the length of our entire offense. Like I

1108
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 4: want to be able to do both, right, you know,

1109
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 4: And I think if you can do both effectively, you

1110
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 4: can have sustained success over the course of a seventeen

1111
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 4: game season and the playoffs where you're hard to kind

1112
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 4: of get a beat on, you know, a little bit

1113
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 4: harder to isolate, or you know, you can be a

1114
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 4: little bit a little bit you know, you could open

1115
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 4: things up more and what you do and what they

1116
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 4: have to prepare for than just the stock. Hey, we're

1117
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 4: coming out in three wides and doing this like everybody else, right,

1118
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 4: and they're defending what they defend every week. Just can

1119
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 4: you do it better than the last team? You know?

1120
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: Right?

1121
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 4: Oh, and by the way, they're gonna come up with

1122
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 4: this other couple of wrinkles that you know, off of

1123
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: what they did the prior week or we you know

1124
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, there's a lot there. There's

1125
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 4: a lot to unpack there.

1126
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: So it just in terms of you and the way

1127
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: you've you've built offense and called offense and what you

1128
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: visualize as an effective offense. Over the years, we've kind

1129
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: of you know, we see this pendulum, right, we saw

1130
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: a wildcat for a year and a half here in

1131
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: this league. Just has it always been the same for you?

1132
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Have you shifted sort of what you think offensive identity

1133
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: should be as based on kind of what the league

1134
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: has become or do you feel like you've you know,

1135
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: Greg Roman, offense is this and I feel it's effective

1136
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: this way?

1137
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, to me, number one, I'm

1138
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 4: gonna look at winning. Winning is the stat that I'm chasing.

1139
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 4: I don't you know, people don't judge offensive coordinators generally

1140
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 4: on winning. I do, and I don't care because my

1141
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 4: job is to help my team win. And whether that's

1142
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: you know what we did in Carolina last year where

1143
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: we ran the ball five hundred times, or later in

1144
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: New Year, you know where we open it up and

1145
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 4: you know, throw it, that doesn't matter to me. What

1146
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 4: can our players do? Who are we playing? What do

1147
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 4: they do? All that thing's gonna fact all that stuff's

1148
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 4: gonna factor in. But you know, a toughness, a mental toughness,

1149
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 4: the ability to get tough yards when you have to

1150
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 4: have them, like some teams you know used to I

1151
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 4: used to coach defense when I first started. We used

1152
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 4: to go against the run and shoot and they go

1153
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 4: right down the field and then they couldn't do anything

1154
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 4: in the red zone. And if they had the ice

1155
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: of game at the end of the game, they could

1156
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 4: never do it. Or sometimes they could. But you know,

1157
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 4: you have to have that, you know, I want to

1158
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 4: have that ability to where I can dictate, Hey, if

1159
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 4: they're going to overplay this, we'll overplay that, you know,

1160
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 4: but I'm always gonna hedge my bets on who we have,

1161
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 4: you know right now, you know, a guy like Justin Herbert. Yeah,

1162
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: we're gonna throw the ball quite a bit, but you know,

1163
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 4: if we can run the ball really well too. Now

1164
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 4: you know, now you're talking about checkmate, that's what we're chasing.

1165
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: Where'd the whole tight end thing just kind of your

1166
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: success with tight the way you used tight ends, Where

1167
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: did that, what does that stem from? And how did

1168
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: you well kind of build that out?

1169
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 4: You know, for I've I first started coaching tight ends

1170
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 4: when I was like I was super young. Our our

1171
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 4: tight end coach Don Brow had an illness he had

1172
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 4: to deal with at the time. And then I got

1173
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 4: I got thrust into coaching the tight end position way

1174
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 4: before I was ready for it. And I had a

1175
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 4: guy named Wesley Walls, a tight end who's a perennial

1176
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 4: All Pro player who basically was given all the tricks

1177
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 4: of the trade. So that was a really good experience

1178
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: for me as a young coach in the league. But

1179
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 4: I got to say that once we got to Stanford,

1180
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 4: I mean we had seven tight ends in two years.

1181
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy.

1182
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: We had seven tight ends and two years of played

1183
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 4: in the NFL and the two years that I was there,

1184
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 4: And it's credit to them and and whatnot, but but

1185
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 4: that's where you know, we definitely you can do a

1186
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 4: lot of different things with tight ends, and we went

1187
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 4: we went crazy with it there. And uh then I

1188
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 4: go to San Francisco when we got Vernon Davis and

1189
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 4: Delaney Walker who was just becoming a tight end transitioning

1190
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 4: from receiver, and uh man, we had some success with

1191
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 4: those guys, you know, and then I had Charles Clay

1192
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 4: and Buffalo and Mark Andrews and a really good group

1193
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 4: of tight ends at my time. In Baltimore, really good room.

1194
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 4: So you know, I've just been very fortunate to be

1195
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 4: around really really good tight ends, you know.

1196
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: And then just to flip it forward quick, you know,

1197
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: we'll wrap this up. You've given us a lot of

1198
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: time here to this year. You talked about Aronde a

1199
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, just you know, because it seems like

1200
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: you want your tight ends to be able to block,

1201
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, and that's important. And we saw kind of

1202
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: the way he played at Syracis. I mean, he just

1203
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: looked like a wide receiver out there at times, dunking

1204
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: on guys. Just how you're able to use someone like that.

1205
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, like running backs are different,

1206
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 4: tight ends are different. Everybody's different, really, but tight ends

1207
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 4: will get deployed. He'll he'll be a tight end, but

1208
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 4: you know, he's probably gonna do a little bit heavier

1209
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 4: load in the passing game as he becomes a really

1210
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 4: proficient blocker. But yeah, I'm gonna deploy guys. There's no

1211
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 4: cookie cutter thing here. We're going to put certain guys

1212
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 4: in on certain things, and you know we're gonna definitely

1213
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 4: make the defense honest with a guy like a Rondez,

1214
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 4: you know, as far as run pass, et cetera. What

1215
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 4: we're doing with him. But you know, we're always gonna

1216
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 4: favor a guy's skill set, you know what I mean.

1217
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: Right, just I would assume you have a lot of

1218
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: input when they're out there looking at free agents and

1219
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: and Najia Harris gets signed, and when you're in the

1220
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: first round at a mari and Hampton gets drafted with.

1221
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you what, Hey, Naji, I'll tell you what.

1222
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 4: Watching him out here right now, I am blown away

1223
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 4: with this guy. His knowledge of the game, his ability,

1224
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 4: his movement skills. It's exciting. It's exciting. And then o'marian, jeez,

1225
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 4: really excited. And then I'll tell you what. Kamani's looking

1226
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 4: really good. He's really taking a step. He's got some

1227
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 4: he's got an extra gear this year. He's really asserting

1228
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 4: himself out there, right and uh, you know and Jay

1229
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 4: Pat and I mean, we got we got, we got

1230
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 4: a heck of a crew there, really looking forward to

1231
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 4: working with.

1232
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,479
Speaker 1: Seems like Sanders is someone that that coach has talked

1233
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: about is.

1234
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, rocket, he's uh, he's a big physical dude. Yeah,

1235
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to seeing that.

1236
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: Right on with this group I get, you know, just

1237
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: real quick, last one offensive line because you know we

1238
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: see Zion out there taking snaps or snapping the ball.

1239
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: To just sort of your guess idea of what this thing.

1240
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: I know we talked about it right there at the start,

1241
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: but just that particular section Bozeman Zion, you know, inside

1242
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: a slater and how you think that could look at

1243
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: at left guard and center?

1244
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, I mean there's a lot

1245
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 4: of options there. You got bose you got Zion, and

1246
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 4: then center guard. You know, shoot, I think Boseman started

1247
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 4: it left guard. I want to say the year we

1248
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 4: uh set the all time rushing record and led the

1249
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 4: league in points scored back when he was younger, so

1250
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 4: he can play guard right. And then Jamari Slier is

1251
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 4: a guy to UH to be very aware of there too.

1252
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 4: So we got and then we got some young guys.

1253
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 4: You know, we drafted young kid at Taylor, and we'll see,

1254
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 4: you know, he's gonna have every opportunity to uh challenge

1255
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 4: for that position as well, So we'll see how it unfolds.

1256
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 4: But I think we've got some really good options, some

1257
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 4: really good guys there, and you know, the Zion at

1258
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 4: center We're definitely gonna give him time there and see

1259
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 4: how it goes and see how that all work. That flows.

1260
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 4: But if we can if he can play center, well

1261
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 4: hey he might start, but he also that that might

1262
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 4: if he doesn't start at center, you know, maybe he

1263
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 4: can slide in and if we need him at center

1264
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 4: as well. So we're just trying to build quality, depth

1265
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 4: and options. But Zion, man, when you look at him,

1266
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 4: he is like a prototypical center.

1267
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1268
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 4: I mean he looks like DERMANI Dawson the second, you know,

1269
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 4: So you know it'll be interesting, man. I mean, we're

1270
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 4: gonna have to find some figure things out as we go.

1271
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 4: But these guys are attacking it. Zion's attacking that like

1272
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 4: nobody's ever seen the way he's I can't even tell

1273
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 4: you how many times how many snaps he's he's done

1274
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 4: this offseason. Thousands?

1275
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: All right, last one? Do you still have the RV?

1276
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: Did you? Guys?

1277
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah you do? So where is the art right now?

1278
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 4: It's down in Coasta, Mesa.

1279
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: It is.

1280
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's just part I gotta check in on that.

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Speaker 4: I gotta check in on it. I haven't been there

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01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 4: in a while.

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01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: Now, did you already own it before you. Yes, okay,

1284
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: you're an RV guy. Yes, you'll cross country.

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01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 4: We did one trip in twenty nineteen from Baltimore. Uh.

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01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 4: We had a great trip, amazing family trip out to

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01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 4: Yellowstone and up to Montana to see some friends of ours.

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01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 4: And then I made the drive back in four days miraculously.

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01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 4: I was insane.

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01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're an RV guy. They didn't just drive

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01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: it off the market and an HD there. No, No,

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01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: that's that freaking plant right now, right.

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01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 4: Well, no, that was to the side. I got to

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01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 4: look at the beach.

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01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: You didn't you at a stall that you look at

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01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: the beach? Yeah?

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01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. I was staring at the beach for five

1298
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: months lived there. That was quite an adventure.

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01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: You guys were cross the street, right. You didn't do

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: the beach lot, right, You did the.

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 4: One right across the street. Yeah. Yeah, the beach lot.

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01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 4: You could only stay there for like ten days at

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01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 4: the longest. So five months, five months straight. That was fun.

1304
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 4: It was great to get my family out here though,

1305
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 4: and get up to Manhattan Beach and you know, as

1306
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 4: the boat got finished here in El Segundo. So but

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01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 4: exciting times. Exciting times, but Yeah, we're gonna wait, probably

1308
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 4: wait till next year and take the RV and do

1309
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 4: the California thing. There's so many things in the state

1310
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 4: to see. It's it's incredible.

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01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 4: So uh my wife saw like on me about doing

1313
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 4: that next year. So so, uh, that'll be on the

1314
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 4: you know, that'll be on the books.

1315
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: Good deal. You can drive the Vince Lombardi Trophy around

1316
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: in it, you know, that's right there on the dash.

1317
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 4: That would be I don't know if they're gonna let

1318
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 4: me borrow it, but.

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01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: You know, you make you just tell everybody that it's

1320
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:43,919
Speaker 1: the one.

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01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. But yeah, it's exciting. We're all so excited. It's

1322
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 4: a great time to be a charger.

1323
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so wait, we'll appreciate it.

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 4: Coach, thanks, thank you very much.

1325
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: Well, Mandy, great job with that. There was a long conversation.

1326
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: Where were a few your takeaways?

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01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we missed you, Chris. I wish you could have

1328
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: been up there because it was really fun just kind

1329
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: of digging in with Coach and I. To me, the

1330
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: number one takeaway is you can see how much more

1331
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: comfortable he is with what he's going into the season with.

1332
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: And I think it goes back to something we talked

1333
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: about at the top of the show, just what a

1334
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: tough obstacle that was losing justin a week into training

1335
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: camp and how much that set them back, and then

1336
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: him sharing with us that ankle injury in week two

1337
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: really just kind of affected the way they had to

1338
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: call the offense the rest of the year, and how

1339
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: he didn't quite get humming and you know, and then

1340
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: he was saying like, hey, you could see it when

1341
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: his ankle started feeling better and we're starting to sling

1342
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: it around a little more. So I think it's so

1343
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: important to remember. And then the way he talked about

1344
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: Tyler Conklin and how he's saying, oh, this guy's going

1345
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: to have a season. You know, it tells you, yeah,

1346
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: he needed that player for his offense, and Beckton and

1347
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: the effusive praise he had for Bechten and like it

1348
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: to me, that's I think it's impossible for me to

1349
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: take anything else away from it. Right Here's you know,

1350
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: an offense is a scheme and it's plays that you're calling,

1351
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: and it's it looks like he's got more guys that

1352
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: he is now comfortable calling an offense. You know, he

1353
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: kept saying play action and that what I want to

1354
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: do in play action, and that's how we want this

1355
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: thing to roll. And you can kind of see, yeah,

1356
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: now he's you know, I don't want to see he

1357
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: had one hand tie behind his back. But you feel

1358
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: a lot better about all the pieces he has knock

1359
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: on wood. You can stay healthy about what his vision

1360
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: is and what he wants to do and what he

1361
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: wasn't able to do last year.

1362
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 2: You know, Lad mentioned play action too in this press conference,

1363
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 2: and I think sometimes we forget in Undoubtedly there's going

1364
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: to be adversity this year. There's going to be something

1365
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: weird that happens that they're going to have to overcome.

1366
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: All thirty two teams have to do that. But to

1367
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: not have your quarterback for a bulk of training camp,

1368
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 2: and then to have your quarterback play such a high

1369
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: level in weeks one to two and then get hurt

1370
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 2: going into Week three against Pittsburgh in a hostile environment,

1371
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: to play on one leg against Kansas City the following week,

1372
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: I mean, those are levels of adversity that not a

1373
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: lot of teams have with their star player at the

1374
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: beginning of a season, with a brand new coaching stuff.

1375
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess I just put a button on

1376
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: it with this that. The other thing I took away

1377
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,440
Speaker 1: is that I don't think we're running the Toush push,

1378
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of way. He talked about how

1379
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: special Jalen Hurts is and how you've got a quarterback

1380
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: that can squat nine hundred pounds and you know that

1381
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: it just changes what you're able to do. He did

1382
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 1: obviously point out that, yeah, Justin can sneak the ball

1383
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: and he's a hell of a weapon when you want

1384
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: to sneak it. He's like, but the Toush push, Like,

1385
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: that's just a team that is built to do that,

1386
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: and that's what they do really really well, and you've

1387
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: just got to figure out a way to stop it.

1388
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: So that's the other obvious thing, you know, Like, I

1389
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: don't think we're going to see Justin Squatt in his

1390
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,839
Speaker 1: six foot six frame, you know, behind Zion or Bradley

1391
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: and have Matt Locke or Tucker Fisk or one of

1392
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: these guys behind him shoving them forward.

1393
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, identify other ways to get in the end

1394
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 2: zone in order to get first downs.

1395
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: On four than short. Next week's gonna be fun.

1396
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 2: The mandatory mini camp and uh, you alluded to a

1397
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: money I think the Rassan Slater situation and seeing him

1398
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: hopefully next week will be uh the lead, and then

1399
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 2: just getting everybody together again. It'll be media day, so

1400
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 2: it'll be it'll be a lot of fun. And then

1401
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: I think there's another OT a week before they break

1402
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: for the summer for a little bit afterwards.

1403
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: Is that Is that right?

1404
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't I have the whole June schedule. Not to

1405
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:32,520
Speaker 1: get too deep into the weeds here, but I.

1406
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: If you're listening to this on June fifth, you're in

1407
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: the weeds.

1408
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 3: Baby.

1409
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: You love this great point. Here we go June media availability.

1410
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: I just show it as oh, you know what, Yes,

1411
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: you're right. So we have OTA, we have a veteran

1412
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: mini camp tenth, eleventh, twelfth, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then

1413
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: on Monday phase three the one day media viewing at noon,

1414
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 1: and then they're going to make some position coaches and

1415
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: rookies available on June sixteenth, and then they'll break. Everyone

1416
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: can take their vaca and then obviously it's a team

1417
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: that's going to have to sort out training camp a

1418
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: little bit earlier because of the Hall of Fame game.

1419
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 4: Cool.

1420
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, So hopefully next week, we'll be able to get

1421
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 2: either player or coach or somebody around mini camp. We'll

1422
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 2: try to arrange that and get some more guests onto

1423
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: here or spend a lot of fun during the off

1424
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: season to hear from these guys, and it'll will relaxed

1425
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: setting before it really starts to get real in mid July,

1426
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 2: which is July thirty.

1427
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 3: First, we have a preseason game.

1428
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: We'll be in Canton on Thursday game to get four

1429
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: preseason games.

1430
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, my goodness.

1431
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: All right, well, dude, great job with coach Roman. We

1432
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 2: will see you guys next week for money. I'm Chris.

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Speaker 3: This has been Chargers Weekly.