1 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Hey there, everyone, and welcome back to the Betting Pros 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: NFL Podcast, brought to you by Bet MGM. I'm your host, 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Dan Harris and you can find me on Twitter at 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Dan Harris Adi. It is time for our early look 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: at next week's lines, and with me to break it 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: all down is Chris Jamino, director of Premium content over 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: at Roto Grinders. You can find him on Twitter at 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Chris Jamino. That's g I M I n OL. Chris. 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for coming on the show today. How's 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: it going, Oh, it's going great. 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: I've got minshew Mania and Live bet the Jaguars right 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: at the end of that Denver game last week, so 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: I ended up making a little bit of a what 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: was a pretty bad week otherwise, So I'm ready to 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: talk football. 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: I'm a little encouraged to hear that you had a 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: bad week because I had a terrible week and I 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: had been going on a really good run and I'm 19 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: hearing this, frankly from a lot of people. This week 20 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: was just brutal, man. I mean, you know, I didn't 21 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: I tried to stay away from the public whenever I could, 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: but I found myself going with you know, a lot 23 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: of the favorites that we're getting a lot of the 24 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: numbers of bets backing, and it was just a brutal 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: week for me. So I'm glad other than you managed 26 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: to stalvage a little bit with the Jaguars Broncos game. 27 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that it was also a tough 28 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: week for you, because it really I got my butt kicked. 29 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie about it, but hopefully we can 30 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: turn around here now. I want to say off the bat, 31 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: how excited I am not to have to deal with 32 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: the line on whatever game the Dolphins usually play because 33 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: they're on a bye, because I think we're basically in 34 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: historic territory here with the Finns and I never know 35 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: how to properly analyze align with them. Are you with 36 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: me there by the way that they've basically broken the 37 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: NFL sports betting framework or what? 38 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: No, I'm not. 39 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: I think that their draw of opponents has just been 40 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: brutal to start this season. I think that we're talking 41 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: about some really good teams that they've seen so far. Now, 42 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: I do think they're bad. I don't think they're historically bad, 43 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: but they're definitely near the bottom. I mean, I look 44 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: at this team over and I don't see a lot 45 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: of redeeming qualities. But I don't know if I'm necessarily 46 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: in agreement that this is some sort of historically bad team, 47 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: at least not the very worst team you've seen. I mean, 48 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: you know, back in the day, there were some pretty 49 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: bad Saints teams and stuff. So I don't know if 50 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: this is the worst one ever. 51 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: I think that's fair to me. I don't know, man, 52 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: when I'm looking at them, I'm wondering where they're going 53 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: to rank historically in terrible teams. And regardless, the bottom 54 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: line is that every single week I see value in 55 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: the line and I can't bring myself to pull the 56 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: trigger on it. Which has been good, but I don't 57 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: know how high the lines need to get for me 58 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable with them. But regardless, today you and 59 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: I are going to go through each game. Now, we're 60 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: going to be using the consensus odds over at bettingpros 61 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: dot com. That's an aggregation of the odds that are 62 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: available on the market. As always, there are going to 63 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: be differences at the various sports books, so shop around 64 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: for the best odds. Also, if you want to see 65 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: how some of the top sports betting experts are leaning 66 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: on any given bet at any given time. Bettingpros dot 67 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: Com is going to show you that too. All right, Chris, 68 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: let's slide right in here with the Rams at the 69 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: Seahawks on Thursday night. Now, this line, as far as 70 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: I can tell, it has bounced around a ton. I 71 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: think the early look at the Rams favored by at 72 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: least a couple of points. I checked last night and 73 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: the Rams were favored by one. But now these Seahawks 74 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: are favored by one and the over under is forty nine. 75 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: You have any major reaction to that line. 76 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, this might be one of my favorite spots that 77 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: I've looked at so far earlier in the week. I 78 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: just think that the Rams are going to be undervalued 79 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: at this point after the performance they had last week 80 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: against Jameis Winston. You know, the defense definitely let them down. 81 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: Marcus Peters got shredded for a long touchdown by Mike Evans. 82 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: You know, there was just a lot of breakdowns and 83 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: some turnovers that really made this team look pretty bad. 84 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 2: I think that's probably what we're seeing here as the 85 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: line fluctuates back and forth. But at the end of 86 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: the day, if we're going to give the Seahawks favorite 87 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: status here, then I'm definitely going to take the Rams 88 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: on the money line straight up. 89 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I mean, look, when you're moving from 90 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: minus one from the Rams to minus one from the Seahawks, 91 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't really do anything, you know, it's kind of 92 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: a meaningless move when you're looking at the spread. But 93 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: I do think that this is an overreaction to yesterday's game. 94 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. I mean, it was 95 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 1: shocking basically how bad the Rams defense was ripped apart 96 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: by Jameis Winston. But really in the other end, I mean, 97 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: maybe people are reading a bit too much into it. 98 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: From the Seahawks side of it as well. They have 99 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: a pretty convincing win over and admittedly bad Arizona team. 100 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: I think the difference is that realistically, the Seahawks have 101 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: not looked very good, and they didn't even look great 102 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: yesterday against Arizona. They did get the defensive touchdown where 103 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: Clowning made the great play on the screen, but you know, 104 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: other than that, you know, I think they put up 105 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: twenty seven points, So I think they put up twenty overall, 106 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: not an overly impressive showing, so I'm inclined to agree 107 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: with you. The total doesn't jump out at me, But 108 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: for me, I'm definitely seeing value on the Rams here 109 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: at the early number, and I don't know which way 110 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: it's going to go because it really has bounced back 111 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: and forth pretty quickly. Of course that there's in that game, 112 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: there's not much more time for it to go. But 113 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: either way, I agree with you. I certainly see value 114 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: on the Rams. Let's move on to the Bills at 115 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: the Titans. The Titans here are laying two and a 116 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: half and the over unders at a pretty low thirty 117 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: eight and a half. Obviously, there's a question mark right 118 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: now around Josh Allen, who remains in the concussion protocol. 119 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: You've got two strong defenses, and to be fair, I 120 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: undersold the Bills defense completely. I thought the Pats were 121 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: going to go up there and be able to cover 122 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: that spread of seven. They really could have lost that 123 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: game pretty easily. But what's the reaction here, Titans laying 124 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: two and a half over under at thirty eight and 125 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: a half. 126 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. 127 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: I like the Titans last week because I didn't think 128 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: the type of offense that Atlanta I was bringing to 129 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: the table you know, if you know, presuming that they 130 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: could find a way to take the deep ball away 131 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: from Julio and Ridley, then I thought that the Titans 132 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: defense was going to be a good matchup for the Falcons, 133 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: and I like the Titans last week. I don't think 134 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: the same is true at all for Buffalo. If Josh 135 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: Allen's back, right, I do think that you know, John 136 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: Brown basically is a specialist in the deep ball, and 137 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, Malcolm Butler is just completely capable of being 138 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: torched in any spot. I don't want to get to, 139 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: you know, bogged down on rating a team based on 140 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: one offensive matchup. I do really think that the biggest 141 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: advantage for this game, of any side is going to 142 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: be the Bills defense against this Titans offense. You know, 143 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: the Falcons defense was missing a ton of characters last week. 144 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: They were able to get shredded and give up, you know, 145 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: get some big plays against that Atlanta defense. I do 146 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: not think that will be the case against Buffalo. Buffalo 147 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: specializes in preventing such big plays. So at the end 148 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: of the day, I do you think Buffalo is at 149 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: the advantage here? And I like them in the. 150 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: Spot out of curiosity does the fact that Allen is 151 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: in the concussion protocol, what do you do with that 152 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: as a better Do you just wait and hold on, 153 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: do you try to get in on it now and 154 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: hope for the best, or how do you approach that well? 155 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: I think I want to watch that game one more 156 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: time because Matt Barkley to me looked way more competent 157 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: than I ever saw him or thought of him before. 158 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: And I think the same was true in the preseason 159 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: when I saw Barkley operate this offense. So I really 160 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: want to get a good look at how that offense 161 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: looks with him. There could be some value. Here's what 162 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: I'm saying is if the public doesn't think he's, you know, 163 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: ready for prime time, ready to step in there and 164 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: do the job, I really think the Bills would win 165 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: this game on defense anyway, So as long as he's 166 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: able to manage the game, I would still not be 167 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: shying away from Buffalo, just purely on the presence of 168 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: Matt Barkley. I don't think Josh Allen's that great of 169 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: a quarterback either, so I don't know if the jump 170 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: is as big as people would expect from Barkley to Allen. 171 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: Maybe that's a hot take, but that's just how. 172 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: I feel now. I mean, look from a fantasy perspective. 173 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: You and I both do fantasy work. Of course, Allan 174 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: is great because he provides you know, value with his 175 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: rushing ability. But he is one of the least accurate 176 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: passers in the NFL. There's no doubt about that. And 177 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: when Barkley stepped in, yeah, he looked better overall than 178 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: Alan did. Really in that game, he moved the ball 179 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: relatively well considering he was thrown into the Lions then 180 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: there against the Pats, But I agree, I don't expect 181 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: it to have too much of an impact on the 182 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: spread here, even though quarterbacks can Barkley again, with how 183 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: he looked. You mentioned the preseason as well, and he 184 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: looked fine against New England, I'm not sure it would 185 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: have that big of an impact. Let's move on here 186 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: to the Falcons at the Texans. The Texans here are 187 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: laying four and a half and the over under his 188 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: forty nine, two teams coming off really bad losses. The 189 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 1: Falcons look kind of in disarray. The defense is really 190 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 1: compromised without Ken O'Neil in there. How are you feeling 191 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: about this when Texans laying four and a half at 192 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: home over under forty nine. 193 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the total is definitely the thing I'd 194 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: be looking at first here. I mean, I'm not so 195 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: sure that I think the Falcons are that good of 196 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: a team. They're one in three and they're just really 197 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: really brutal on defense, and the Texans offense is probably 198 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: capable of getting their share of the points in this game. 199 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: The question is whether the Falcons can put up the 200 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: points on the Texans, and that's why be looking at 201 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: the It's a pretty good line at forty nine. I'm 202 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: not excited to get the over on this, but I 203 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: think if I was leading in anything right now, would 204 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: be you know, can the Falcons get the job done 205 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: against his Texans defense? And then then I would be interested, 206 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: of course in the over. 207 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the Texans have been a little disappointing 208 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: on offense, at least to me. I mean, I know, 209 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 1: you know, the problems with the offensive line. Watson's holding 210 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: the ball for way too long, so they aren't putting 211 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: up the points. And you know, they've played some tough 212 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: defenses here. They played the Jaguars, of course, where they 213 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: weren't able to do much they played the Panthers, and 214 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: the Panthers have a solid defense mostly against the pass, 215 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: less against the run, which is sort of, you know, 216 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: really goes against what the Texans can do. They don't 217 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: run the ball that well with Hide and Duke Johnson. 218 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: It's fine, but it's not their strength over here. Yeah, 219 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: I didn't have a strong lean when I first looked 220 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: at this game. I mean, forty nine, it's around kind 221 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: of where I expected to be in the four and 222 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: a half is fine, but really I'm wondering whether the 223 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: Falcons here are gonna kind of start really really tailing off, 224 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: because I think they just cannot get it going. Yesterday, 225 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: they you know, barely anything to Julio Jones. Ridley has 226 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: basically been phased out at this point. Austin Hooper is 227 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: having a great year, but they're really not going to 228 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: be able to sustain an offensive philosophy dumping the ball 229 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: off to Demonta Freeman constantly and going through Austin Hooper. 230 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: So for me, I'm not quite as confident this. I 231 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: really want to go back and watch yesterday's game, but 232 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: it's something where I don't have a strong lean on 233 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: it as of yet. But it has not moved as 234 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: far as I can tell from the look aheadline, so 235 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: I think this is probably in the end four and 236 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: a half and over under forty nine is basically around 237 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: where it's going to get up, give or take half 238 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: a point. Let's move on here to a divisional matchup 239 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: Ravens at the Steelers. The Ravens are currently minus four 240 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: and the over under is at forty two and a half. 241 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: Now we're recording this before the Monday night game, so obviously, 242 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: if there are any significant developments on the Steelers side 243 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: of the ball, the line could move. Two teams who 244 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: know each other really well. They always battle out close. 245 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: How are you feeling about this one? Ravens minus four 246 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh. 247 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Pittsburgh defense is a pretty good unit. But 248 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: I still think that if we're talking about, you know, 249 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: just a four point favorite for the Ravens, I think 250 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: that overall there's still a much better team. If their 251 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: defensive health improves at all, I would really like them 252 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: in the spot at minus four. I certainly don't think 253 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: that Pittsburgh under Mason Rudolph's command is necessarily a strong 254 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: team to. 255 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: Be betting right now. 256 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what they are, yet I don't really 257 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: have a strong take on whether or not they can 258 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: cover a spread versus a team like the Ravens. But 259 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: I think the Ravens underperformed this week, and I think 260 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: that they might have otherwise been bigger favorites here. So 261 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: minus four is something I would possibly be looking at here. 262 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm really surprised that the spread isn't higher. I mean, 263 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, because it's not as if it came down 264 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: when the Ravens just got their butts kicked by the Browns. 265 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it was kind of I think the look 266 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: headline was relatively where it was. I think, if anything, 267 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: it leaned a little bit closer towards the Ravens here. 268 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: For me, I don't know. My initial gut on this 269 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: is that there's going to be money that comes in 270 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: on the Ravens that's going to push it a little 271 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: bit higher and the over under. Neither one of these 272 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: teams has a defense that is particularly good at this point. 273 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the Ravens, as you mentioned, are banged up, 274 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: but you knew coming in that their defense was not 275 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: going to be as strong as it has been in 276 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: previous years, and I think that's showing itself to be 277 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: true right now. Now. Whether or not the Steelers are 278 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: able to move the ball against them, there's a whole 279 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: nother question, but that's more about the Steelers offense. I 280 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: think Mason Rudolph, who has not looked good, will get 281 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: better as he gets more comfortable playing in the NFL. 282 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: But for me, both the numbers stood out to me. 283 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: At the Ravens laying four seemed light, and I felt 284 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: like the over under at forty two and a half 285 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: also seemed light. Out of curiosity, do you have any 286 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: feel on that over under? Is that about right where 287 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: you think it should be? 288 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: I mean, that's about right. 289 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: Like I said, the defense for the Steelers is a 290 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: pretty good unit, so I would not be expecting a 291 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: ton of scoring in this game. That seems right to me. 292 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: You know, It's worth noting that like this is going 293 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: to be a very public side. Looks like tons of 294 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: money rolling in on the Ravens already as a percentage, 295 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 2: and the number of bets as well. 296 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: So I'm just do you draw conclusions from that out 297 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: of curiosity this early on in the week, because I'm. 298 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: Not really I mean, I'm just pointing out that that's 299 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: the trend is that the public side is probably going 300 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: to end up being the Ravens side unless this line 301 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: moves significantly. And I don't know, I just I don't 302 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: love just like completely getting a lot of money on 303 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: bets that are just like purely public that the books 304 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: are knowing that they're going to need for their particular week. 305 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, that's just 306 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like good process right to be that 307 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: far against the book. I mean, the book definitely knows 308 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: what they're getting into here. 309 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, numbers like this scare me a little bit when 310 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: I have a very strong feeling on it, because I 311 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: feel like, exactly as you said, this strikes me as 312 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: a number that I think that John Q. Public is 313 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: going to look at it, and maybe the books are 314 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: banking on the fact that the Ravens look so terrible 315 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: against the Browns that they're not going to get all 316 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: that much money. I don't really think that's necessarily going 317 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: to be the case. I think a team like the Ravens, 318 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: given how they performed early on and they lost a 319 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: close game to the Chiefs, I think the public is 320 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: still going to be on them. So when I see 321 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: these numbers. They strike me as it's likely that the 322 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: number of bets and you know, we'll see about the money, 323 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: because that's more about the sharp betters. But the number 324 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: of bets is going to be wrongly in favor of 325 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: the Ravens, which makes me a little worried because that's 326 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: how I initially lean, and you really don't lose money 327 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: when you fade the public. So it is something that 328 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: I think this line is certainly capable of moving, depending 329 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: on how the money comes in. Let's move on here 330 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: to the Patriots at the Redskins. The Patriots are currently 331 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: laying fifteen and a half. Now, this was fourteen and 332 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: a half when I checked yesterday. The over under is 333 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: forty four and a half. Last I saw Jay Gruden 334 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: decline to name a starter. If he does name Haskins, 335 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: I would assume the spread it would probably jump in 336 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: favor of the Patriots by maybe a point or something 337 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: like that. And even though case Keenum did not look 338 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: all that good. So Patriots on the road here at 339 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: the Redskins laying fifteen and a half with a total 340 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: of forty four and a half. How do you feel 341 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: about that? 342 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: Do you think the Patriots will score forty four points 343 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: or forty five points, because I just have no confidence 344 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: whatsoever in the Washington offense in the spot. Just just 345 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: give me the under here until I can convince myself 346 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: the Patriots are going to score more than whatever whatever 347 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: the total is, because I really think shutout is well 348 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: within the range of outcomes here for watching it. 349 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 3: That will happen. 350 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: But I mean, will they score ten points? I would 351 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: not bet the over on ten I don't think. I 352 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: really think that this defense is very good and the 353 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: Washington offense is very bad. 354 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't sell it short. A shutout could legitimately happen here. 355 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: I mean, especially if it's Haskins throwing themall. I mean, look, 356 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: they were they allowed their first you know, offensive touchdown 357 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: against the Bills, but they held them in check entirely. 358 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: They faced a run of really bad opponents, Steelers perhaps 359 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: being the exception in opening week. But that defense is 360 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: one hundred percent legitimate. So, I mean, honestly, out of curiosity, 361 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: if you are analyzing the game that way, which I 362 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: think it's one hundred percent correct, what's wrong with the 363 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: Pats laying fifteen and a half? I mean, the Pats 364 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: are going to score you know, they had a tough 365 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: Bills team and they scored sixteen and they looked terrible. 366 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think they're gonna probably wind up 367 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: coming up putting up above twenty above, you know, twenty 368 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: four or something like that here. 369 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: Boy, you know, I just don't. I don't like to 370 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: get involved with Patriots long. I don't know what it 371 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: is about these Patriot lines when you're talking about like 372 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: because in theory, when you see an NFL team getting 373 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: two touchdowns, you're not supposed to like that. 374 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that's what I was saying with the 375 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: Dolphins where I don't. I never like it, and so 376 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm always like, man, there's value here in the Dolphins, 377 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: and that's why I meant like, I cannot take them. Look, Washington, 378 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: they're not anywhere close to that at this point. But 379 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: if they throw Haskins into there, and you know, the 380 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: problem was Jay grun I think did this correctly. Okay, 381 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: he did not throw Haskins into that Monday night game 382 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: against the Bears, right because he would have gotten absolutely destroyed. 383 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Keenan was terrible in this game against the Giants. The 384 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: Giants have a terrible defense. They threw them out there like, Okay, 385 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: this is it. It's a weak defense, and he was awful. 386 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean that the Redskins really there was no Terry McLaurin, 387 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: to be fair, but the Redskins could be approaching not 388 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: Dolphin level, because I think Dolphins level is really bad, 389 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: but they could be a team that you're gonna be 390 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: seeing these spreads that are going to be pushing sixteen seventeen. 391 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: And I agree, I don't really like to get involved 392 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: in it, although I'll be honest, this one piques my 393 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: interest a little bit. I think it's gonna rise, by 394 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: the way. I think whatever happens, I think when this closes, 395 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: it is going to be more like sixteen and a 396 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: half or something like that. But we'll have to see. 397 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: But you're saying, essentially you like the total at least 398 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: on an initial glance, right, because you think essentially that 399 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: Washington's going to have trouble scoring. And I think you're 400 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: putting it probably on the Patriots, let's say, to be 401 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: held under you know, thirty five or something like that, right. 402 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know I would consider the total if 403 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: I could get it, like without it rising substantially. And 404 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: I was and I knew for sure Haskins was a QBA. 405 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: Can I tell you a secret that I don't think 406 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: anyone needs to know just yet, But I think I 407 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: think Dwayne Haskins might not be good. No, like I 408 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: think now after watching preseason and watching that performance last week, 409 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: like the you know, the whispers are starting in my head, 410 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: like this guy doesn't look that good. 411 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Okay, look, everybody, okay, you have now heard it here first. 412 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: Okay from Chris Jamino. You have heard it here. It's 413 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: possible that Dwayne Haskins is not good. Okay, So look, 414 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: don't go spreading it around because it's kind of a 415 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: secret and he told you that in confidence, but it 416 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: is possible that it could be true. Yeah, it's really 417 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: funny the way the season has unfolded with Daniel Jones. 418 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: You know, looking he didn't look great in this past game, 419 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: but looking so much better given all the flak that 420 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: the Giants got for him. So yes, if Haskins is 421 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: named the starter, I'll be all over whatever it is 422 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 1: in favor of the Patriots. 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But as of right now, 468 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: it's the Bengals are laying four and a half points 469 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: and the over under is at forty eight and a half. 470 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? 471 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there could be some points scored tonight 472 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: here in this game with the Steelers. I don't necessarily 473 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: think all that or even most of that's going to 474 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: come from the Bengals side, but I do think that 475 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: shootouts tend to happen when there's two bad defenses facing 476 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: offenses that can operate with efficiency, especially if there's a 477 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: lot of play volume, and these are two new offenses 478 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: that really want to get a lot of plays off, 479 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: really want to be more involved in the past game 480 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: right now, the opponents that the Cardinals and Bengals have 481 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: faced have not maybe exposed the way that they both 482 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: want to play when they're operating at their most efficient, 483 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: And I do think that the over has a good 484 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: chance of hitting here if in fact, these defenses are 485 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: as bad as I think they are. Both teams in 486 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: the bottom ten of positive play percentage per Sports Info Solutions. 487 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: The Cardinals were eleventh before yesterday's game. I can't imagine 488 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: they improved after that performance last week. So I'm expecting 489 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: the offenses to be more efficient than they've been to 490 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: start this season. And I would really be looking at 491 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: the over here in this spot when I look at 492 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: the way this shakes out, don't don't. I can't say 493 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: I'm like loving it, but I do like it a 494 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: little bit. 495 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: No, I totally agree with you the over if anything 496 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: stuck out to me on this one. I think both 497 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: offenses are going to be able to move the ball. 498 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Murray and the Arizona offense was 499 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: not good against Seattle. I fully admit that, and Seattle 500 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: doesn't have a great defense in my opinion, so it 501 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a negative factor. But certainly 502 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: this is going to be against a Bengals team on 503 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: a short week both offenses. I like what Zach Taylor 504 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: has done with the Bengals offense and against Arizona you 505 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: don't have to have a world beating offense to be 506 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: able to put up a lot of points. And I 507 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: think in the end, the Cardinals are probably going to 508 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: come out They're going to do what they usually do, 509 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: which is script the first couple of drives for Murray, 510 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: and I think they're probably going to be able to 511 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: put up points, So I agree early lean here would 512 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: be over on the forty eight and a half. The 513 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: Bengals laying four and a half. I don't really have 514 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: a good feel for at this point. Even assuming nothing 515 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: happens that strikes me as around the right number, I 516 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: think it's gonna basically stay there. I don't think the 517 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: sharps will necessarily favor one side or the other, so 518 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: I think that's probably where we'll end up. Let's move 519 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: on to the Jaguars at the Panthers. The Panthers here 520 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: are laying three and a half and the over unders 521 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: at forty one. Kyle Allen will start again. Not sure 522 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: if we're gonna see Jalen Ramsey on the field. You 523 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: know he missed this one with his back injury, but 524 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: he's also said he's not sure whether or not he's 525 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: gonna play another game for the Jaguars. So how about here, 526 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: Panthers at home laying three and a half with an 527 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: over under at forty one. 528 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if I was going to take a 529 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: side on the total here, it would probably be on 530 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: the underdog Jaguars against the Panthers. I actually don't have 531 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: a lot of respect for what the Panthers are doing 532 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: so far. I think they still need to prove it 533 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: to me as far as what they can do as 534 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 2: a team defensively. On offense, certainly they've got plenty of 535 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: plenty of capability, but this would be a matchup where, 536 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 2: you know, the Jaguars might have the tools to put 537 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: a damper on Christian McCaffrey and maybe not allow him 538 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: to just run completely wild. You know, you know, watching 539 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: Joe Flacco move the ball a little bit wasn't that encouraging. 540 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 2: And we've seen some negative signs from the Jaguars defense too, 541 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that there's some end all be 542 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: all type of a defensive unit here, But I you know, 543 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 2: I don't really love either one of these sides. It's 544 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: a pretty good line, but if I was going to 545 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: lean one way, it would be towards the Jaguars because I, again, 546 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of trust in what the 547 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: Panthers are doing right now. 548 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really feel great about the spread. I mean, 549 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: I want to look at Gardner Minchew and see how 550 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: he actually came out because I know he's limping a 551 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: little bit at the end of that game. It strikes 552 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: me about right. For me, the total again is where 553 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: I look a little bit. And you mentioned it. If 554 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: you were going one way or the other, you probably 555 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: might be looking at the other. That's where I'm looking 556 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: at it, because I really I like Kyle Allen as 557 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: more of a game manager. But the guy who threw 558 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: four touchdown passes or whatever against the Cardinals, that's not 559 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: what he is. Okay, He's going to be able to 560 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: keep your team in the game. He's more accurate than 561 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: Cam Newton was when you know he was being bothered 562 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: by his foot or shoulder or whatever. In the end 563 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: that it turned out to be and that's fine. But 564 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't see this as an explode of offense at all. 565 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: And the Jaguars still have a relatively strong defense. I 566 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: know Joe Flacco, as you mentioned, was able to move 567 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: the ball pretty well, especially at the end, and on 568 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: the other side of the ball. Look the Jaguars. You know, 569 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: Minshew's got a little magic going. But the Panthers are 570 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: tough against the pass. They really are. They're able to 571 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback a little bit, but they've got 572 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: strong cornerbacks, especially Bradberry, they're a little vulnerable against the run, 573 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: and so I think the Jaguars plan of attack, assuming 574 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: that Leonard Fournett can carry the load once again, would 575 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: be to probably control the game on the ground, which 576 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: leads me to a low scoring thing. And with the Panthers, 577 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I had the one bet that I kind 578 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: of nailed and had in really early this past week 579 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: was the under on the Panthers game because I think 580 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: that's how they really are going to play these games. 581 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: They're going to play these tight, low scoring games and 582 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: try to win it out with their defense and with 583 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: managing it. So that's really how I would see that. 584 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: The total again not high, it's only for to one, 585 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: but I think in the end, if I lean one way, 586 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: it would probably be on the under in this game. 587 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: Bucks at Saints would be next game. Now, this has 588 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: been bouncing back and forth a little bit. The Saints 589 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: right now are laying four and a half points at 590 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: home to the Bucks. It was when I checked last 591 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: night four and a half. I checked this morning it 592 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: was five and a half. I checked right before we 593 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: came on, and it's back to four and a half. 594 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: The over under is at forty eight. Both teams are 595 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: coming off really really big time wins, the Saints relying 596 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: on their defense to beat the Cowboys, the Bucks lighting 597 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: it up against the Rams. As we talked about earlier, 598 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on this one? 599 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: Give me the Saints. 600 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 2: I do not have faith that what we saw last 601 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: week from Tampa Bay is something that you can expect 602 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: with consistency. Jameis Winston has proven to be an inefficient 603 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: quarterback and someone who doesn't even operate that well when 604 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: the pockets clean. So if you know the Saints can 605 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: do anything close to what they did against Dallas last 606 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 2: night defensively, I mean just you know, I would I 607 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: would easily easily easily shy away from thinking that the 608 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Buccaneers or anywhere close to as good of 609 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: a team as what the Saints can be, you know, 610 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: even without Drew Brees right, like we've seen them come 611 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: through with the game plan that's you know, really try 612 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: to slow down these games and really turn it into 613 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: you know, more of a grinded out type of a situation. 614 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: And I don't think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers farewell in 615 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: that scenario at all, especially not on the road. So 616 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: I'm you know, my you know, to spread. If I 617 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: can get three points, I would like that the best. 618 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 2: If I can get better than that, even better, But 619 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 2: you know otherwise, I'm just not like in love with 620 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay at all, And I would. 621 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: Like the Saints for almost the same exact reasons. I 622 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: really like the under here, okay, because I think the 623 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: way you describe this is exactly right. I mean, James 624 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 1: Winston's a little doctor Jackal and mister Hyde, right. I mean, 625 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: you do not know how this team is gonna come 626 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: out necessarily, and the Saints, as they showed yesterday, have 627 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: a really really strong defense. It's going to be a 628 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: divisional game, which means they're going to get up for it. 629 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: And I don't expect the Bucks to be able to 630 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: put up a ton of points in this game for 631 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: basically exactly the reasons that you said. At the same time, 632 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: I don't think these Saints are built to do that either. 633 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 1: I mean, Bridgewater is basically out there to manage the games, 634 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: to rely on the defense, and to win kind of close, close, 635 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, hard fought in the trenches type of game. 636 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: So in the end, I also favor the Saints. I'm 637 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: not sure I love it at four and a half. 638 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: It's if you can get it closer. I think I 639 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: would lean that way too. I do think the Saints 640 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: are going to win, but the total for me because 641 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: of that, because I think they're going to rely so 642 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: much on their defense. At forty eight, I like the 643 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: under there for basically the reasons that you described. Let's 644 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: move on to Jets at Eagles. The Eagles are currently 645 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: laying fourteen. It was at thirteen and a half, so 646 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: it's moved a tiny bit since I checked early this morning, 647 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: and the over under is at forty four and a half. Now, 648 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: this sounds like Sam Darnold is probably not going to 649 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: play in this game. He's progressing in the right direction. 650 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: I think he's practicing either with no contact or something, 651 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: but it looks a little bit more likely that he's 652 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: going to be out this week. So how do you 653 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: feel right now at Eagles laying fourteen in the over 654 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: under at forty four and a half. 655 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: Well, I certainly don't like the Jets. 656 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: If Luke Falk's going to be involved here, I do 657 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: you know, I think the line is probably about fair 658 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: If that's the case, and that's so it looks like 659 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: a Luke Falk line right now. But even so, like 660 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not interested in taking the Jets here, 661 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: and I'm not interested in taking a team laying two 662 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: touchdowns either, So I'm pretty much off this spread right 663 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 2: now as it stands. I think the under would be 664 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: the more interesting side here if you think the Jets 665 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: defense is fairly you know, fairly capable of limiting what 666 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: the Eagles can do on offense. I'm not one hundred 667 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: percent sure of that, So I don't really love either 668 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: side of this. It would be it would be the 669 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: under if I had to take one gun to my head, 670 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 2: but I just don't. I just don't really like this 671 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: spot at all. I'm not really confident in who the 672 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: Eagles are just yet as an offensive team, you know, 673 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: Are they a team that can you know, light up 674 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: a good defense for a bunch of points to the 675 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: point where an over would hit. I'm not really confident 676 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: of that at the moment. So that's where I would 677 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: say the under is my favorite part of this game. 678 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I basically agree with everything that you've laid out. 679 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: I do think that if Donald were to play, although 680 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: given the fact that he's not really where he needs 681 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: to be, maybe I wouldn't. But I was thinking if 682 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: Donald was totally cleared and he had a full week 683 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: of practice and ready to go, I might the Jets 684 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: in the spot because I do think that the Jets 685 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: have a capable offense once you put Donald under center, 686 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: and their defense CJ. Moseley has had an extra week 687 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: to rest, so they're they're gonna end. Quinnin Williams will 688 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: be back as well, so the defense is going to be, 689 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, much stronger than it looked the past couple 690 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: of games. But if Lukewalk is out there, all bets 691 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: are off. I mean, you know, you don't want to 692 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: take a team laying fourteen points, but there's no way, 693 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: as basically you aptly put it, there's just no way 694 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: you can back Lukewalk no matter basically what he's getting 695 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: the total. I agree, seems like the under would probably 696 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: be the spot to go if you had to pick 697 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: a choice, because I think Falk has such trouble moving 698 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: the ball and you don't expect the Eagles to, you know, 699 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: be able to put up thirty or anything like that. 700 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: But as a general feeling, on this one, given that 701 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: Donald is probably out, it's a stay away game for 702 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: both of us, So I'm glad we're in agreement on 703 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: that one. Bears at Raiders technically, but they are in London, 704 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: so it's more like a neutral field. The Bears here 705 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: are laying four and a half. The over under is 706 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: at forty. Now this sounds like Mitchell Trubisky is almost 707 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: certainly going to be out this week. I'm not sure 708 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: if that's necessarily a downgrade to Chase Daniel. He looked 709 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: pretty competent in their win over the Vikings. The Raiders 710 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: are coming off an uber impressive win over the Cult, 711 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: So in London, Bears lank four and a half over 712 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: under at forty. How do you feel, man? 713 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: I was my favorite bet of the week last week 714 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: was the Raiders plus seven. I ended up making a 715 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: bunch of money on that. Of course lost a bunch 716 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: of other bets, But you know, at the end of 717 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: the day, the Raiders take was a great take, and 718 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: I really just felt like that was more because of 719 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: what the Colts defense wasn't going to do in that game. 720 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: I cannot say the same thing for the Bears defense 721 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: in this spot. If Trubisky was there. I do think, unfortunately, 722 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: that he is a slight upgrade at the quarterback position 723 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: versus what you've gotten Chas Daniel. I realized Chase Daniel 724 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: played well last week, but I've just seen a much 725 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: larger sample size of him completely being inept on offense. 726 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: And you know, it's overseas, so I don't really know 727 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: what to expect from that point of view. But at 728 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: the end of the day, when it's all said and done, 729 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: I do not think the Raiders are going to be 730 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: able to score in this spot, and that's where I 731 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: think I might lean towards the under forty two. If 732 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: you can get forty two, that'd be great. I think 733 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: it was like you have forty right now. I don't 734 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: think I would be as excited at that number, but 735 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: I definitely don't think the Raiders are going to score. 736 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: So it's either the Bears if you think they can 737 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: clear that minus four and a half, or the under. 738 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: But I'm I'm certainly not wanting anything to do with 739 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: the Raiders here in this spot. 740 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not scared off of the forty I mean, 741 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: I get it. I wish it wasn't dropping like it 742 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: was but right now at forty, I still lean towards 743 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: the Bears. I completely agree, especially especially with the Raiders 744 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: coming off such a big win. I believe they're coming 745 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: off two road games, if I'm not mistaken, so this 746 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: counts as their home game in London, and it's not 747 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: a home game. They're basically another road game, and it's 748 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: technically going to I don't even know what the time 749 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: zone technically, I guess it's going to be, so I'm 750 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: not even going to say that, but they're certainly not 751 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: going to be on their usual schedule. I think it's 752 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: going to be a really, really difficult thing to get 753 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: up for this game. After their giant win. It can 754 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: see a huge letdown when you saw what the Bears 755 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: defense was able to do to that Vikings offense. I 756 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: get it the Vikings have trouble passing the ball, but 757 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: even just to totally stifle Dalvin Cook, I agree. I 758 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: do not see the Raiders being able to put up 759 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: many points, and with Chase Daniel, I don't necessarily see 760 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: the Bears being able to put up a lot of points. 761 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: So I still like the over under at forty. I'm 762 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: totally with you. It was at even forty one, I 763 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: felt like that was a much better number, But at 764 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: forty I still lean that way, and with the spread 765 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: four and a half. If I had to go one 766 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: way or another, I'd lean the Bears. But again not 767 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: not overly confident in it. But you and I are 768 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: viewing this game the exact same way. We do not 769 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: expect much of a showing. 770 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the ender is definitely the sharper side. I mean 771 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: not you talked me into it. The under let's do 772 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: what under forty? 773 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: All right? Under forty. Let's hope it doesn't drop further 774 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: than that. But if not, yeah, I'm totally good with it. 775 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: I can't see the Raiders really putting up much of anything. Now, 776 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: before we finish up with our last few games, I 777 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: do want tomind everyone about our September contests where we're 778 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: giving away a signed Alvin Mari helmet. Now, although this 779 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: is our September contest, we're actually extending this one a 780 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, so you can go hook and get 781 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: your reviews in now. To be entered, all you need 782 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 1: to do is leave a review for the show on 783 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: iTunes or Stitcher and send a screenshot of that review 784 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: to contest at bettingpros dot com. It takes two seconds 785 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 1: to do and you are automatically entered into this and 786 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: all future contests. So go for it, all right, Let's 787 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: move on here to Vikings at Giants. The Vikings here 788 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: are currently laying five and a half with the over 789 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: under at forty five and a half. How do you 790 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: feel about that? 791 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, if the Giants are beating teams like the Redskins 792 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: and the Buccaneers, color me fully unimpressed. And color me 793 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: unimpressed by the idea that the Vikings couldn't pass on 794 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: the Bears right because they weren't able to protect their 795 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: quarterback and otherwise, I feel like the passing offense has 796 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: upside comparatively, and that's where the Giants absolutely stink. They've 797 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 2: got roasted by a number of teams in the passing 798 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: games to start this season. And not to mention the 799 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: fact that Dalvin Cook is a beast, one of the 800 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: best in the league. I don't think the Giants are 801 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: going to be able to slow him down either. If 802 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: we're talking about a line of five and a half, 803 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 2: that's basically you might as well be a touchdown. I'm 804 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,719 Speaker 2: still thinking the Vikings can clear that, so I actually 805 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: like the Vikings minus five and a half. I think 806 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: that they're going to crush. 807 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: My early lean is, this is my favorite bet on 808 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: the slate for sure. I think this is going to 809 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: I think I feel bad for the Giants here. I 810 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: think the Vikings are going to be mad. I think 811 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: they are going to come out and they are going 812 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: to pound Daniel Jones, who again, you know, the shine 813 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: is off a little bit. He did not look great 814 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: at all against the Redskins. You know, I know they 815 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: were able to move the ball with Wayne Gollman, but 816 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: he really, you know, he was not quite that impressive. 817 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: You've got an angry Vikings team. I think they're going 818 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: to put up a huge defensive performance. I think Cook 819 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: is going to be able to do whatever Hee wants. 820 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: I think they are going to use this game as 821 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 1: a get right game for the passing game. You've already 822 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: got Adam Thielen basically calling out the coaching sab saying 823 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: we need to throw the ball. It's gonna be a 824 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: little bit of a squeaky wheel type game. So my 825 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: early lean on this is, Oh, I'm all over the Vikings. 826 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: At it was at five I got in on it 827 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: when it was five. It's at five and a half. Now, 828 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: that's fine. I'd do it up to a touchdown at 829 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: this point, and frankly, if it got to a touchdown, 830 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know. But again, this is one that 831 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: makes me a little nervous just because you just look 832 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: at the line, right your first instinct and it's we 833 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: have the exact same instinct, right, So chance we're both 834 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: well informed guys, But chances are the John Q public 835 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: is going to look at that line and they're also 836 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: going to want the Viking. So it's it's a little 837 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: surprising to me when I see a line that looks 838 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: like it's going to entice the public to go one way, 839 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, because that suggests that that's what they want. 840 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: But in the end, Vikings saying five and a half 841 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: is something that I feel uber comfortable with. 842 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 2: At the moment, this line will go up, and you 843 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: just bet it now, because if you don't, then you're 844 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 2: not going to get the number that you want here. 845 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 2: You know, if you can get you a little bit 846 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 2: of extra value right now, I agree with you that, like, yeah, 847 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 2: maybe there's a little bit of hesitation because the line 848 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 2: looks so soft, but maybe that's just true, maybe just 849 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 2: pound because it's soft. 850 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And again being on the public side, which I'm 851 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: sure this is going to be, it's not always a 852 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: bad thing. I mean, I remember the Rams against the 853 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: Browns on Monday Night Football, which I saw the line 854 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: at three and I was all over it. I mean 855 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: right from the get go, and I knew it was 856 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: going to be overwhelmingly public. But I couldn't get away 857 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: from it because it didn't really matter, because that line 858 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: just seemed way too small given what it was, and 859 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: it was in the end, although it obviously could have 860 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: been much closer at the end if the play calling 861 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: had been a little different. But it's not. You don't 862 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: have to run away from public bets. It just makes 863 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: you a little nervous. But this one, I think you 864 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: and I are both on the same side where we're like, 865 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: I don't really care what the public's doing because we're 866 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: all good with it. At the current spread, let's move 867 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: on to the Broncos at the Chargers. The Chargers here 868 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: are currently laying six and a half and the over 869 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: under is at forty three and a half. That struck 870 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: me both of those numbers as about right. I know, 871 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb now is out for the season, so that 872 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: takes a little bit of the shine off the Broncos defense. 873 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: But how do you feel about that Broncos at the Chargers. 874 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,959 Speaker 1: Chargers laying six and a half over under at forty 875 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: three and a half, I. 876 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 2: Don't really feel comfortable betting the Chargers, you know, giving 877 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: that many points right now. I mean I have trouble 878 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: betting the Broncos too, But like the Chargers just seem 879 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 2: every single year to show up and keep things closer 880 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 2: than they should be, you know, giveaway spots that they 881 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: shouldn't give away. Like I'm almost surprised they covered against 882 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: the Dolphins last week because you know, the way that 883 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: game started, it looked like it was going to be 884 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 2: yet another Chargers situation where they underwhelmed in a spot 885 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 2: they're supposed to come in and do something. Now that 886 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: being said, they are in a quote unquote home game 887 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 2: against the team that's owned four and giving up last 888 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 2: second touchdown drives to a rookie. So when when I 889 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 2: added all the factors together, is as little confident as 890 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 2: I have in the Chargers, it would be towards the 891 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: side of them controlling this game. And really having their 892 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 2: way against the Broncos more so than not. But I'm 893 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: not really in love with it. 894 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: I've got no feel for this game because what you 895 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: said about the Chargers is exactly right. So I first 896 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: kind of look at this game and I'm like, you 897 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: know what, this is a spot where the Chargers just 898 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: lay an egg because this is what they do every 899 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: single year. And the problem is, look, I like the 900 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: Broncos this week laying three did the Jags, and you know, 901 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: in the end, they just kind of threw up all 902 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: over themselves, and I don't really have confidence and their 903 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: ability to go up there and win this game or 904 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: even necessarily keep it close. I think this is kind 905 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: of a backbreaking loss for them in kind of what 906 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: was their quote unquote last ditch effort to save their 907 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: season even though they weren't going to go anywhere. But 908 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: now they're owned four. So in the end, I basically 909 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: have reasons on both sides of the ball to not 910 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: like this line at all, like to not go one 911 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: way or the other. So it is a game for 912 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: me again, seems about right where the numbers are, and 913 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: it's something where I don't really have a lean one 914 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: way or another because I don't trust either team, So 915 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: I think you and I will both just stay away 916 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: from it and we'll both live to fight another day. 917 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Packers at the Cowboys. A 918 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: really interesting game here. The Cowboys here are laying three 919 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: and a half. Now, it was four and a half 920 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: when I checked on Sunday night before that Cowboys game 921 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: wrapped up. I don't know whether or not there was 922 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: money that came in or whether or not the books 923 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: moved generally because of how the Cowboys looked in that game. 924 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: But again, Packers at Cowboys, Cowboys are laying three and 925 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: a half and the over under is at forty seven 926 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: and a half. How do you feel there? 927 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 2: I'm a little scared of both sides of this bet 928 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 2: because I would generally like to favor the Cowboys at home. 929 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: I would generally like to favor the under looking at 930 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 2: how these two defenses have performed. But then you know, 931 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 2: I'd be taking the under against two efficient quarterbacks, and 932 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 2: that's not really how I want to live my life. 933 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 2: So I won't live it that way, and I probably 934 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 2: won't make that bet. So I'm wish you watch you here. 935 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 2: I don't have a strong position, and I'm supposed to 936 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 2: have a position on this, but you know, under forty 937 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 2: seven and a half, I mean that could easily see 938 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 2: situations where that goes over. Both these guys can completely 939 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 2: come out firing, you know, deep touchdowns, accurate passes to 940 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 2: great receivers. There's no real way for me to fall 941 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: in love with the total side of this game. And 942 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: then of course the spread. I mean we're talking about 943 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 2: two three and one teams. I think it's a coin 944 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: flip and this is this is like the exact kind 945 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 2: of bet that I just don't want anything to do with. 946 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, first of all, you said, you know you should 947 00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: have a position or something like that. You don't have 948 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: to have a position, man, I mean part of the 949 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: time we look at stuff and that's exactly where it is. 950 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: We don't like either side because the number is about 951 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: where it needs to be, and I agree with you. 952 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: I think on the total, I lean a little bit 953 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,919 Speaker 1: towards the under here. And the reason is, really, look, 954 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: both these teams have pretty solid defenses. The Packers in 955 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: particular have a really really good pass defense, but they 956 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: get gashed by the run. So I think you're gonna 957 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: see a lot of Ezekiel Elliott here, and when you 958 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: do that, I think it's going to be a little 959 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: bit more of a control the clock type of game. 960 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: I think they're going to lean on the run pretty heavily. 961 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: I don't see Rogers being able to do a crazy 962 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: amount here, So if I leaned anywhere, I kind of 963 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: a little bit leaning towards the under not overwhelmingly. It's 964 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: not one of my favorite bets or anything like that, 965 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: even at this point, but with the spread in particular, 966 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't feel it. Man. I don't have a good 967 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: sense of what the Packers are doing. I mean, they 968 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: come out and they always look great on offense, and 969 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: then they just don't score at all in the second half, 970 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: So there wouldn't be a time where I would feel 971 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: really comfortable with them. At the same time, they basically 972 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: have a mini by here because of the fact that 973 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: they played the Thursday night game and the Cowboys I 974 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: have a little bit of a short week because they 975 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: played on Sunday night. So in the end, it's something 976 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: where if I had to choose a side, I think 977 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: I would lean towards the Packers because I see this 978 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: being as a really close game. So as long as 979 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: that spread stays above the key number of three. I 980 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: probably lean there, and I'd probably lean a little bit 981 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: towards the under forty seven and a half, but not overwhelmingly. 982 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 1: So let's move on to the Colts at the Chiefs Here, 983 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: the Chiefs now are laying ten and a half. It 984 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 1: was nine and a half when I first checked, and 985 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: the over under at a pretty hefty fifty seven. You've 986 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: got injuries on the Colts side of the ball. You've 987 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: got Ty Hilton may or may not be able to 988 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: suit up with that quad injury. You still got Mac 989 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: who had a little bit banged up his ankle, was 990 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: in and out of that game yesterday. It's unclear if 991 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: Darius Leonard is gonna be able to play. So how 992 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: do you feel here, Chiefs at home in primetime Sunday night? 993 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: Ten and a half over under a fifty seven? 994 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 3: Boy, I like that under a little bit. 995 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 2: If the Colts are going to be missing Hilton again, 996 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 2: those receives is just weren't able to get the job 997 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 2: done against the Raiders no less, you know, like Deon Kane. 998 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 2: Five targets no catches I think was the number I saw. 999 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if he ended up getting win late 1000 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 2: in that game. But man, it just looks bad out 1001 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 2: there for the wide receivers on the Colts. And you know, 1002 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 2: you can't be expected for Eric Ebron and Jack Doyle 1003 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 2: to completely, you know, shred any kind of a defense level. 1004 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 2: And the Chiefs who are going to probably be playing 1005 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: with the lead so they'll be able to pin their 1006 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 2: ears back a little bit. I mean, the Cols offensive 1007 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 2: line is very good, so they have that working in 1008 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 2: their favor. But I just, you know, I can't see 1009 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 2: the Chiefs getting enough points to get over this total. 1010 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 2: I mean, the Colts, when they're operating efficiently on defense, 1011 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 2: they're a little bit tougher to get big plays on 1012 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 2: Saying that Patrick Mahomes can't get a big play on 1013 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 2: a team is like writing your own death certificate as 1014 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 2: far as the bets concerned. But if you asked me 1015 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 2: to take a side here on a Monday, which I 1016 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 2: am want to do right now, I'm taking the under 1017 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,479 Speaker 2: because I think that's just a little bit too high 1018 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: for what the Colts can do on offense. 1019 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know the number is so high. I 1020 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: just don't have a feel for it. I get exactly 1021 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: what you're saying the Chiefs at home in prime time, 1022 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: I think are going to put up a ton of 1023 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: points here, and whether or not, you know, the sort 1024 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: of like they did in this past game against the Raiders, 1025 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: whether or not the Colts can put up you know, 1026 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: points in garbage time, would make me a little iffy 1027 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: on the total. This is just not a game I 1028 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: want to go near. If anything, I would lean towards 1029 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: the under, because I do think that there's value in 1030 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: that number. But it would scare the bejeebas out of 1031 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: me because I just could see this sort of being 1032 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: a game where like, hey, it's looking good here, we're 1033 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: looking fine, and then just everybody going crazy and the 1034 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: ten and a half, I don't know, I really don't. 1035 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean, with the injuries, I don't know if Hilton's 1036 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: going to be back, but it doesn't seem like that, 1037 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: and they're really again you talked about it. The problem 1038 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: is that they don't even have capable number twos or 1039 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: number three's who can kind of step in. It's mostly 1040 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: the tight ends and eric Gie Brown is showing that 1041 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: he was who we thought he was with the drops. 1042 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,280 Speaker 1: He did score a touchdown yesterday, but still not enough 1043 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: to make me excited about them. So this is a 1044 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: game where I don't have a great feel for. But 1045 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: if I did go anywhere, it would probably be the 1046 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 1: under But I do I don't feel and I know 1047 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 1: you're not coming on strong on it, but I don't 1048 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: even lean in it as much as you do. I 1049 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: just feel like there's a game where as of right now, 1050 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: I really really don't want to go near for me. 1051 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. 1052 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 2: I mean I lean the under here, but like you know, 1053 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, I mean, if you're I couldn't even completely 1054 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 2: rule out the idea of them getting to fifty seven 1055 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 2: on their own. 1056 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: Why that's not even a joke, right. 1057 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,760 Speaker 2: I mean that, I mean, of course it's a completely 1058 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 2: complete outliers situation. But you know, the the bottom line 1059 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 2: is that you making under bets against Patrick Mahomes, especially 1060 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 2: if you know, all things being equal, the Coles offense, 1061 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,439 Speaker 2: if it's operating the way it's supposed to operate, even 1062 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 2: with Brissette, can put up some points and the Chiefs 1063 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 2: defense is nothing to be scared of. So you know, 1064 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 2: it's this is definitely not one of my favorite spots. 1065 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: All right, So you're what you're basically saying is you're 1066 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 1: betting your mortgage on the under. 1067 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely not got it. I mean, there is no. 1068 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: Way everybody heard it. Everybody heard it. Don't worry about it. 1069 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: He's got it, mortgage on the under. He's all in. Okay, great, 1070 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: Let's move on to our last game, the Monday night 1071 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: football game, Browns at the forty nine Ers. Forty nine 1072 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: ers here are currently laying three and a half and 1073 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: the over under is at forty eight and a half. 1074 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: A really nice bounce back game here for the Browns 1075 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: to beat the Ravens. They looked pretty good. They still 1076 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: have injuries in their secondary Jarvis Landry Is and the 1077 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: concussion protocol. But the forty nine ers are coming off 1078 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: a bye here and are at home. So forty nine 1079 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 1: Ers leanth three and a half over under at forty 1080 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,879 Speaker 1: eight and a half. How do you feel We. 1081 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 2: Haven't seen the forty nine ers in some time, and 1082 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 2: suddenly we think that they're some kind of a fantastic team, 1083 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 2: and they've played well to start this season. But I 1084 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,399 Speaker 2: think the Browns underplayed their potential in the first couple 1085 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 2: of weeks here we saw what they're capable of doing 1086 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 2: last week. I'm not saying they're going to go roll 1087 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,959 Speaker 2: up forty on the forty nine ers here in this spot. 1088 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 2: But give me the Browns plus three and a half. 1089 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 2: I think that they are probably close to as good 1090 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,399 Speaker 2: as we thought they were. They just had a couple 1091 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 2: of bad games. 1092 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's I don't really disagree with that. 1093 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: When it was at three when I first checked, I 1094 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: didn't like it as much when it got past the 1095 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: key number. Yeah, I lean Browns. I don't feel great 1096 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,720 Speaker 1: about it. And you know, teams coming off buys always 1097 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: give me, you know, make me a little scared because they, 1098 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, especially with a guy like Shanahan who can 1099 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: have plenty of time to dream up creative plays and 1100 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and their defense. You know, the thing is, 1101 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready to make any conclusions 1102 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 1: about the forty nine ers defense because they've looked strong, 1103 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: but I really don't know if they actually are strong. 1104 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: So this could be something where the Browns have gotten 1105 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: right now with this game, because they they're obviously much 1106 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: more talented and should be better than they had looked 1107 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: prior to this past week. So this could be a 1108 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: game where they're going But you know, Monday Night cross Country. 1109 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm a little iffy on it, but as of right now, 1110 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: I agree that as long as we're past the key 1111 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: number of three at worth three and a half, I 1112 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: do lean as well towards the Browns. So I like 1113 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: that we're in agreement there. Well, that is going to 1114 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: do it for today's show, Chris, it was great having 1115 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 1: you on. 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