1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and my buddy 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, folks, this 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: is Paul Anka. 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: And my name is Skip Bronson. We've been friends for 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: decades and we've decided to let you in on our 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: late night phone calls by starting a new podcast and 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: welcome to Our Way. 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: We'd like you to meet some real good friends of us. 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Your leaders in entertainment and. 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even a city 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: president or two. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: asked before, tell it like it is, and even sing 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: a song or two. 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way. 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 3: But movie making is often challenging, and the behind the 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: scenes with your friends and colleagues is fun. But movie 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: making is not always that much fun. It's worked, you know, 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: how you try to get you know, whenever coming back. 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: You got to get this scene right now, like today, 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: and the pressure is very real. I always felt I 22 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: got invited to do SNL the first time, and did 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 3: it several times, and then thirty five I said to myself, 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 3: this is fun. This is where the work itself is fun. 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Hey, Skip, Hey, what's going on. Well, you tell me, man, 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: the Masters. I've been in the studio and working on 27 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: the dock and everything. What finally happened there? That was 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: an incredible tournament. You know, it's not often not I 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't say often. It's not always that the number one 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: player in the world or even in the field wins 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: the tournament. But this time Scottie Scheffler, who is in 32 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: fact the best golfer in the world, ranked number one 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: in the world, and he won the Masters. Last year 34 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: John rom won the year before Scottie Scheffler won, so 35 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: this is two out of three years that he's won, 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: and he's just a spectacular golfer. But I know what 37 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: you're turned on about, and that's you know, hockey playoffs. 38 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 4: Oh man, it's the best. 39 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 2: I mean, I love it, but I can't compete when 40 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: it comes to being a fan. 41 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: You know, It's been the most constant thing in my life. 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: Even after the gun in the business and I got busy, 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: I would never miss a hockey game. To me, knowing 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: because I skated as a kid that I involved with 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: the Senators. Those kids are like ballet dancers with those skates, 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: and to see where the game is evolved into, you know, 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: bigger and faster. It's it's its best when it gets 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: to the playoffs and it really shows you what those 49 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: kids are capable of doing. But it gets down to 50 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: the goalies. It's a goalie game at that point. If 51 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: you got the bad goalie, you're not going to win. 52 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: I've been loving it. 53 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you were an owner of the Ottawa Senators, 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: but I actually don't even know how or why that happened. 55 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: What was the genesis? 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: Well, we wanted a hockey team, and I went to 57 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: Bruce McDonald's a buddy, and you know, he had the 58 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: Kings and he helped me put it together. And the 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: group up in Autowa brought me in and I was 60 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: just part of a team of guys that brought it there. 61 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, it hasn't been a great hockey team for 62 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: all these years as well play soccer, but it hasn't 63 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: worked out for the city, you know, except that had 64 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: a better year this year. Yeah, and I've loved it. 65 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: I just loved it. And I think New York's got 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: a shot. I love the way New York's playing. I 67 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: like like two great goalies, yeah, Igor and Quick. My 68 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: kids got Ethan's got uh the Stanley Cup game when 69 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: the Kings and New York played. When we went to 70 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: the locker room, Quick gave Ethan the hockey the goalie 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: stick from that wind that night. We've got it up 72 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: on the wall. 73 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. 74 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: A great goalie. 75 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: You know he's older now, Quick, but he's still he's 76 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: still got his game going. Speaking of game going, how 77 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: about who's coming on here in a few days. Uh, 78 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin. 79 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I know, Alec Baldwin. This is this is 80 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: the Cup. It's amazing that he's actually going to do 81 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: it with all the distractions that he's got from that 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: New Mexico situation. But he says he's going to do it, 83 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: and you know when he says he's going to do something, 84 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: he does. 85 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: He's that kind of guy. You know, he's a man's man. 86 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: We all know his m O. But that's who he is. 87 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: I love the guy anytime, and I don't profess to 88 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: no one, but anytime I've been around him. And the 89 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: last time was you know, we did something on the 90 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: Comedy Channel for that roast, and you know they threw 91 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: it at him. With everything else you had to deal 92 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: with they wanted to sing my way with me. It's 93 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: not easy for singers. Littlone a guy that's an actor 94 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: and what have you. And he stepped up and I 95 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: think just about thirty minutes before he little apprehends I 96 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: loved watching my favorite guys. 97 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 4: No, I can't do this. I can't do this. No 98 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 4: I can't say this. I can't no, no, no, you do 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: the whole thing. I'm not going to go on. Calm down. 100 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: You gotta just think of who you are. You got 101 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: balls of steel. 102 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: We know right you're it man, And I meant it 103 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: because he's in the hell of a guy and he 104 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: came right out. I thought Frank was there. He took 105 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: on that character and he was phrasing it. He did 106 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: a great job. So that was a great moment for me. 107 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: That's the last time that I saw him. And you're 108 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: bringing up this whole situation he's in now, I gotta say, 109 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: very quickly without getting deep, I support the guy. 110 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 4: I think it's bullshit. I really do. 111 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: It's unfortunate. 112 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate for the other dynamics. But I 113 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: hate to see a guy like this go through that. 114 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: Who shouldn't be going through it. I just leave it. 115 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna leave it like that. 116 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: And I don't think we're going to even approach it, 117 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, because he's kidding great, great vibe and in. 118 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: But what I will mention is that Edie, who worked 119 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: as the photographer at Saturday Night Live for twenty five years, 120 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: photographed everybody. She said, if she had to single out 121 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: one person who might have been the absolute favorite that 122 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: she's photographed multiple times, of course, who would be Alec Baldwin. 123 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: She's just absolutely crazy about him and his talent. I mean, look, 124 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: this guy can do everything, you know, from very serious 125 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: dramatic acting roles Glen Garrett, Glenn Ross, street Cardy and Desire, 126 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: you know, to comedy to television series with thirty Rock. 127 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: I mean, he's so versatile. I mean he's great. 128 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: He did Stanley Kowalski street car name Desire. I think 129 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: it was Frank Rich the New York Times when he 130 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: wrote this the first time that he doesn't leave one 131 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: longing from Brando. I think that was his code. That's 132 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: pretty heavy, you know, that's Brando and he earned a 133 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: lot of rave reviews. 134 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 4: But he's a great actor. You know, he really is actor. 135 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: And he's got including by the way, he has a 136 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 2: very successful podcast. And I don't know where he finds 137 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: the time this man has. I mean, I have to 138 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: take a pause here. Whenever I whenever say this, seven 139 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: children under the age of eleven, I mean, let me 140 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: say that again. Seven children under the age of eleven. 141 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you kidding me. You've got six, but they 142 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: weren't all, you know, cramped in like that. But I mean, 143 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: seven under the age of eleven is crazy. I'm gonna 144 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: ask him, you know what I want to ask him. 145 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 2: I want to ask him if he's done. 146 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: I wonder how he did it. I want to ask 147 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: him how many times he did it? Bless him? 148 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: All Right, I'm gonna run. I gotta get ready for this, 149 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: so I'm gonna take off. 150 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: You have fun. 151 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: I'll talk to you before we go to bed. 152 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 4: Please, Well, what time you go to bed tonight? 153 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: Ten thirty? 154 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: You don't want to call me too, I know you'll 155 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: call me at two and say good night. I'm most 156 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: calling you at ten thirty. 157 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: Good night. 158 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: Don't you have it any empathy for your dear friend? 159 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: I sitting up and trying to make people happy and writing. 160 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to get that AI device to call you a. 161 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, great, give me a name. It's still cute. Like 162 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: I set my clock tenth theory, I gotta wake them 163 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: up and think good night. All right, Skip, I look 164 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: forward to it. I think we'll have a good time 165 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: with Alec. 166 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be great. 167 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: All right, Skip, We're gonna talk talk to you later. 168 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: Byey bye. 169 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 4: There's an Alex. 170 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: I see hair. I see hair over there. You can't 171 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: compare the hair Alex. 172 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: The top of we see the top of his head. 173 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: Aleck, I care. I love that here. Hey, Alec, how 174 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: are you doing there? 175 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 4: You go? 176 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: Hey? 177 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: You ready to do my way again? 178 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: Actually, when I saw myself recorded doing my were with you, 179 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: I'd never been more humiliated in my life. 180 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: You pulled it off. 181 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 3: Man, I'm never singing my way with a legendary vocalist 182 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: ever again. That was the one. It was a one 183 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: time deal, only one time. 184 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: Well, it was a big one time for me because 185 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: I've done it with Sinatra. 186 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 3: I'm very grateful to you. 187 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: No, no, I did it with Sinatra and then there 188 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: we were thrown into that. But you know, you had 189 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: a little hesitation, like what thirty minutes before we were 190 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: going to do it, and then you showed the alec balls. 191 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: You just went right into the role. You came in 192 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: and I couldn't fuck the mooove. I thought Frank was 193 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: next to me. 194 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: He had it was like therapy. This is like therapy. 195 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: Where does he bring the energy from to sound like that? 196 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: You were great, but you know something funny, but you'll appreciate. 197 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: I always tell people if I teach acting, or I 198 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: go in and kind of guest to teach. I haven't 199 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: really talked that much lately, but if I went in there, 200 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: I always tell them learn to sing the best of 201 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 3: your ability. I said, you will cut off so many 202 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: wonderful experiences in this business if you don't allow yourself 203 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: to at least try. You know what I mean? Yeah, 204 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: I agree, don't try to learn how to sing to 205 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: do musicals? And said, well that's all, that's where the 206 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: fun is. 207 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: So that was a stretch for you. I mean, you've 208 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: gone from hey, you're one of our great actors and 209 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: then the comedy with SNL and Rock. Was that really 210 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: a stretch for you to sing that the thing for 211 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: a minute. 212 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: Well, I think because I have a very raspy voice. 213 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: I remember one time I was at a fundraiser and 214 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: the guy who wrote nine Maury Yeston, was there. And 215 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: Maury Yeston was there, Nathan Lane and my Matthew Broderick 216 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: and all these people who sing on Broadway. And Maury 217 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: Yeston said to me, do you sing? I said, no, 218 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: I don't sing. I can't sing. He says, nonsense, mister Ball, 219 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: of course you can sing. And I said, really, why 220 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: do you say that. He goes, he said, I'm going 221 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 3: to teach you the same thing I talked Dustin Hoffman. 222 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: He said, I want you to sing the Star Spangled 223 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: Banner in the style of Jimmy Duranta, and I said, oh. 224 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: And then he says, I want you to sing God 225 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: Bless America in the style of Louis Armstrong, which are 226 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 3: very similar. He goes, and I'm singing. He goes, You're 227 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: on key. He said, you can sing when you're pretending 228 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: to be somebody else. That's right, he said, if you 229 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: he said, if you can find your own voice, he says, 230 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: you can sing you're on key. But my voice is 231 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: so shredded I can't sing anyway. 232 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: You know, most singers, most singers aren't great singers al 233 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, even Ray Charles is one of my favorite. 234 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: If you get down to quality of voice, they've all 235 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: got that raspy vibe going, you know most of them, 236 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: and most of them are just like singing from the heart, 237 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: but they're not great singers. 238 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: They smoke. 239 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: They all smoke. 240 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 3: Listen. 241 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: When I started with the rat Pack in the early sixties, 242 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm this kid just saying, who do I give the 243 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: money back to? You know, it was those guys. It 244 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: was chicks. It was like, I'm living this life out 245 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: of Canada and they're all sitting around starting in the 246 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: afternoon and they're smoking, and they're drinking, and they're trying 247 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: to get me to join the club, and I with 248 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: I got to preserve the business. They all fucking smoked. 249 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable and it was It was kind of 250 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: the Unfortunately what happened to Sammy was all smoking. The 251 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: Frank you know, he was, and Dean was the one 252 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: guy that fooled everybody. He didn't drink a lot, he 253 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: didn't smoke a lot. But Sammy and Frank, they were 254 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: they were the smokers. 255 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, but but Dean always had a button his hand 256 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: and the glass in the other hand, so you always 257 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: talk differently. You know what I mean? 258 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: Oh, we had the apple juice in the other hand, 259 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: is that right? 260 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 2: Yeah? 261 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: I sit off stage and he was the one that 262 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: fooled everybody. He wasn't a big smoker. 263 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: Alec, I've met you before. My wife is none other 264 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: than Edie Baskin loves you. She is so crazy about you. 265 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was a doll. I miss her. She was 266 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 3: really really those are the old days and when she 267 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: was there, my god, Ei was just a doll. She 268 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: was a doll. 269 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: Thanks, she said, shed make sure you tell Alec he's 270 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: my favorite member of the five timers club, I said, 271 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: except in his case, I think it's seventeen times. 272 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: Your host it right, Yeah, I'm something more than five. 273 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: I know that it's more than five. 274 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: We broke the record, right because he broke didn't he 275 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: break Steve Martin's record? 276 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 3: I think I have one more than Steve. But you 277 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: know who's county? 278 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: Who's I got to get this out of the way early, though. 279 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: Your impression of Trump is so iconic, so famous on 280 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 2: the show, and I was talking to Edie about this, 281 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: and Edie was wondering, how did it feel to be 282 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: impersonating somebody who despise that much to just go through 283 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: that process. 284 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say that, because I've come full 285 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: circle where I don't have those feelings. I'm not a 286 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: Trump supporter, but I don't feel I mean, I feel 287 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: like people now who are Democrats or Biden's supporters of 288 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 3: What's what they needed to start doing now is stop 289 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 3: talking about Trump and start selling Biden. Get off that pinata. 290 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: It's like a tired thing. 291 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 4: Now. 292 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: I did that for four years, but now my attitude 293 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 3: is like, let's I mean a little but that is fun, 294 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: but you gotta they got to move on and start 295 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: articulating why they want. 296 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: But to vote for not vote against someone else. 297 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, we all know people who don't 298 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: trust Trump or don't prefer Trump. We get it, we 299 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: know how you feel. 300 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: Now what bothers me with it all today is happy 301 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm eighty two years old and I can sit in 302 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: the grandstand and look at it. It's just become so tribals. 303 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: That's the problem for me. It's just become so tribal 304 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: and there's nobody talking and relating. 305 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: It's not helping, that's for sure. It isn't helping. 306 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: Not helping at all Man, I think we're in for 307 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: a few rough years, but we still got the greatest 308 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: country in the world, so we'll pull it together. 309 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: So Paul, I want to know I always ask people. 310 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: I'm going to turn the tables on you, guys and 311 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: ask you a question, which is I always ask people 312 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: in your world, like who's somebody you're standing next to 313 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 3: in a studio or I'm assuming in a studio and 314 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: you're recording music with somebody and you just were dying 315 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: you thought this is like a dream come true, somebody 316 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 3: you loved that much. Obviously Frank is one. 317 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I did a duet's album with 318 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: a lot of good people. I think Willie Nelson right 319 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: loved with Willy Ray Charles. I love Ray Charles. I'm 320 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: a huge Ray Charles man. And then I got a 321 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: big kick out of work with Michael Bubley, who I 322 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: kind of found and worked with and watches whole career grow. 323 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: And then there I was watching this guy come into fruition, 324 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: love him and Michael. That was a big proud moment 325 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: for me. The one I haven't been in the studio 326 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: with who I'd like to be it would be sting. 327 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: Ah. 328 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: I've been around Elton a lot, but I haven't been 329 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: in a studio with him. But I think Elton is 330 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: the real deal. It's the real deal. Like hey, like 331 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: you're the real deal. You're the real deal. What was 332 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: comedy one of your ambitions when you got into acting, 333 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: because you do so much comedy and a lot of 334 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: guys can't do it, you know, it's tough to switch over. 335 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: Was that part of the menu for you when you started. 336 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: I think that it's about relaxing, really, because in the 337 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: beginning you're not quite sure where you're going to go 338 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: because that's not up to you. And then as you 339 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 3: start to make films that are more dramas and thrillers 340 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: and things like that and Hunt for Red October these 341 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: kind of you know, war technology films and so forth, 342 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 3: that's exciting. But movie making is often challenging. And that 343 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: behind the scenes with your friends and colleague is fun. 344 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: But movie making is not always that much fun. It's 345 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: work and you try to get you know, whenever coming back, 346 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: you got to get this scene right now, like today, 347 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: and the pressure is very real. I always felt now 348 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: when I smoked. It was when I was doing film 349 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: after film after film in a row and I was 350 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: just nervous. So all the time I was like Jesus, 351 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: this is hard to really get it right. And when 352 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: I went into that world, I got invited to do 353 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: SNL the first time and did it several times, and 354 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: then thirty Rocks. I said to myself, this is fun. 355 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: This is where the work itself is fun. And I 356 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: enjoyed that. I really couldn't get enough of going there. 357 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: And there were things they had me do on that 358 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: show that no one else would ever invite me to do. 359 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: So I loved it. 360 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: And you know what it was when I started, it's 361 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: so young, and then put a few years under me, 362 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: I found the motivating factor. I wanted to know what 363 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: you thought about it for me in a lot of cases, 364 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: because it's it's a bullshit business. At the end of 365 00:16:53,720 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: the day, revenge. Revenge motivated me through so much. How 366 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: do you feel about that? 367 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: Well, I think that might be the word. I don't know, 368 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 3: but I know for me, it was about having to 369 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: prove yourself no matter what I did, no matter what 370 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 3: successes I had or didn't didn't have, I never sat 371 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: back and I was satisfied. I thought, I wake up 372 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: the next day I got to prove myself all over again. 373 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: You know, there's an echelon you can get to where 374 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: you're like Cruise and Hanks and these big people Leo, 375 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: where you're every time you step up to bat you're 376 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 3: gonna get a double at least, you know what I mean, 377 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 3: You're gonna make money for them. Cruise once said to 378 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: me the most amazing thing. He said, so why do 379 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 3: you work so hard. You're the hardest working person I've 380 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 3: ever met in my life. And he said, I got 381 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 3: to give them both their money's worth. I said, what 382 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: do you mean? He said, the studio that's paying me 383 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 3: and the ticket buyers that are buying tickets to my movies. 384 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: Because I got even both, it goes that's my job. 385 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 3: And I remember, you know, I'm not in that world 386 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: of monumental success in films and especially making money, you know, 387 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: making a lot of money for the studios, which is 388 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: all they care about now more than ever. But I 389 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: remember just saying to myself, I go back to zero 390 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: every movie I start, I'm back to zero. I got 391 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 3: to prove myself again. 392 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: But as that change, though, you look at the film 393 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: business today, it's not a business like it was years ago, 394 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: and it's so changed today where there's not a lot 395 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: of money being made outther than just certain films. I notice, 396 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's all about now getting an oscar to 397 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: really drive the film home. There seems to be a 398 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: whole change of dynamic in the film business. How are 399 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: you sensing that? 400 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 4: Well? 401 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: I think that the awards season is strange because there's 402 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 3: a kind of a there's a kind of hunting for 403 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: awards that was kind of vulgar. Thirty years ago. You 404 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: wouldn't have done it that way. And I think that 405 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: the industry, although there are years where they can't deny 406 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: someone's the greatness of someone's performance and they give them 407 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: an award, for the most part, the business is straining. 408 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: Maybe not the actress, which is why the SAG Awards 409 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: are so distinctive, But in the oscars, they're always straining 410 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: to give the oscar to somebody they can make money off. 411 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: You know, they might want to give it to Roberto 412 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: Benini again, you know, I mean, he's really They're not 413 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 3: going to make a lot of movies in this country 414 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: with Roberto Benini. But the biggest stars in the movie business, 415 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: who are real box office stars, they're dying to put 416 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: an oscar in their hands. So when they sell, when 417 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: they sell the film, in the trailer, it says Academy 418 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 3: Award winner Bobby Block. That's one thing. The second thing 419 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: is that the business, and I think it used to 420 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: be as you know, the men and women typically the 421 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: men who owned the companies, they were the owners of 422 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 3: the companies themselves, not the management. They installed management out 423 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: in Hollywood. 424 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: You know. 425 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: The owners of the companies were in New York and 426 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 3: the people that ran the companies for them were in 427 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: Los Angeles. And the ones they hired to run the 428 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 3: company had some sense that had to make a movie, 429 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: and they were risk takers like Menivoi. I always quote 430 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: and say Menivoy was that guy who'd say, you know, 431 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: they were a small studio, a riot that boyd. We 432 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: might say, I don't know if we're going to lose 433 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: our shirts on this movie, but I'm going to burn 434 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: one on the side of the angels and make a 435 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 3: great film. And whether we get out money back, I 436 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: don't know. An ego and do you know some really 437 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: tough drama, you know, and they would lose money. But 438 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: Menavoid was the last of that breed. Now that people 439 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 3: who own the companies have hired people to run the 440 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 3: companies who tried to wigetize the whole business. They want 441 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: the movie business to be like the potato chip business. 442 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: Everything is the same. 443 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: Paul and I on previous podcasts, you know that we do. 444 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: We talk about all the things we had to do 445 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: before we got to do what we wanted to do. 446 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: You know, we all had those jobs. But when did 447 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: you decide you wanted to be an actor? How'd that 448 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 2: come about? 449 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: I had a friend of mine, I was visiting a 450 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: friend at NYU. I was in Washington at GW and 451 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 3: I visited a friend of mine and her roommate was 452 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: in the drama program. TISH was first blooming. You know, 453 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: the Tishes has just given a big bag of money 454 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 3: to them to build this school. And I went in 455 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 3: there and she said, you should be an actor. And 456 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: I said, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of 457 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 3: in my life. And the joke was with my dad. 458 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: I called my mother and father and I said I'm 459 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: going to leave GW and go to NYU for acting. 460 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: And my mother was screaming at the top of her 461 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: lungs over the phone. Are you insane? She was screaming. 462 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: And then I said, but you don't understand. When I 463 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 3: go back to New York, I can claim all these 464 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: awards and all these tuition stipends, regions, scholarship, all this money. 465 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: I said, it'll be cheaper for me to go to 466 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: NYU than it is GW, even though it's more expensive. 467 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: And my father's on the phone. He goes, okay, let's 468 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: hear him out. Let's hear him out, like anything that 469 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: would lower my father's costs. He was over fair. So 470 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: that's how I went to NYU. 471 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 2: And then you he would leave Strasbourg, right. 472 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 3: Yes, Well, I studied at the institute. He died. We 473 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: had a class with him once a month where he 474 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 3: lectured us, but he died very soon after he was there. 475 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: The one year I was there, he was. 476 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: So because I'm not an actor. When they refer to 477 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: as method acting, like, what does that mean? 478 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: What's the technique? 479 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 2: Right? 480 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: What's the technique for that? 481 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 3: Well? To me, it's like a stream, like an arc, 482 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: which is that years ago in the silent era, you 483 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 3: had to be beautiful. Then they switched to sound and 484 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 3: you had to be able to deliver a line. Then 485 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: the war came and the war wanted. They wanted flint 486 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: here people, tougher people, Betty Davis, Joan Crawford, the men 487 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 3: were tough. And you get into the method acting thing, 488 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: but they don't want you to indicate emotion. They want 489 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 3: you to really feel that emotion. Think about your dog dead, 490 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: think about your grandma died, and you start sobbing, and 491 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: then actions say the lines while you're genuinely emotionally packed. 492 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: Then we get into the computer age, where the actors 493 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 3: themselves are not necessarily the fizz and the drinks. They 494 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 3: invite you into the theater, a famous star has you commit, 495 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 3: but computers then take over and really to create the 496 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: film experience you're going to have. And now we've arrived 497 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: at the last installment. Now I think is that the 498 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: fittest people are the biggest stars. You gotta be fit. 499 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: They want they want that video. If you roll in 500 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: a truck tire up a hill, they don't necessarily want 501 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: to see you, beside Shakespeare roll that tire up that 502 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 3: hill and we love. 503 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: Hey, Alice. Do you find the most actors today don't 504 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: bother training anymore? With the way the industry is, I think. 505 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 3: Fewer of them do I think they trained for luck. 506 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: I think they want to have it on their resume 507 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: that they made an attempt to learn more. And the 508 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 3: the classic education in theater is about understanding material and 509 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: studying classic plays to show you how to interpret a character. 510 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: And what's great about those classic roles is we know 511 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 3: the material works. It's you know, time honored and you 512 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: get in there and you learn how to break down 513 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: a character by studying great characters where there's a lot 514 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: of meat there on the bone. And then but I 515 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 3: think more and more people who are younger today, they 516 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: don't go as long. They don't go to college, or 517 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: they don't go to years of training. 518 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: Your performance in Glengarry Glenn Ross time still, you know, 519 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 2: being a guy who's been selling his whole life. I've 520 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: always been, you know. I like to say I'm not 521 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: a salesman, I'm a storyteller, but at the core, I'm 522 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: a salesman. That that always be closing that ABC, I mean, 523 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: one of the great scenes that I've ever seen in 524 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: a movie. 525 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: I never wanted to do that that we get in 526 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 3: there to rehearse that summer we shot it that that 527 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: I think that fall I was in there to rehearse 528 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: like in August. I rehearsed for a couple of days. 529 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 3: They rehearsed, they had a real rehearsal for a couple 530 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: of weeks, and I went in for a few days 531 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 3: and I thought, oh God, I hate this because I 532 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 3: love all of them. I love them, I mean Lemon. 533 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: I practicularly cried when I work with Lemon. 534 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: I can't believe you're saying that was the thing that 535 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: bothered me the most. I felt so badly for Jack 536 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: Lemmon me just. 537 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 4: So. 538 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: I was so I was blown away by your performance, 539 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: but I was really angry with you the way you 540 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: treated him. That was really something. 541 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: Well, people go see the play, and the play has 542 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 3: revived periodically in New York all the time, and people 543 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: do the play. I've seen many products. I'm Broadway with Glengarry, 544 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: and people see the play and they go, well, where's 545 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: that scene where Alec Baldwin's character reams out these people 546 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 3: and they have to understand it's not in the play. 547 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 3: And I called Mammott and I said, why did you 548 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: win the Pulitzer Prize for Drama? He won the Pulitzer 549 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 3: Prize for that play. And I said, why do you 550 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: feel you need to add this character. He said, I 551 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 3: don't believe these men are criminals. He said, I needed 552 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 3: to ratchet up the stakes on them. I want these 553 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: are these men are not criminals. I need to motivate them. 554 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: This guy comes in and threatens them and the only 555 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: way they can get out of it is to commit 556 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 3: a crime. And so I was like, Wow, that was 557 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: amazing to me that he made that change. 558 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: And I was surprised when I read that. I read 559 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 2: that you actually prefer to, you know, to perform on 560 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: stage as opposed to television or acting in films. That 561 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: that's your first love is being on stage? Is that correct? Yeah? 562 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: I mean anything live like SNL. I guessed it on 563 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 3: Will and Grace a few times. You're live audience. That's 564 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: always fun. You get a lot of energy. I mean, 565 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: Paul can probably tell you better about this that live 566 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: things always gold, magical. Yeah yeah, Well, what's some of 567 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 3: the places you played? What's a room you go into 568 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: that was always you just felt at home. 569 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Well, when I started, you know, you're working for the boys, 570 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: and they controlled and that was it. And they controlled 571 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: places like the Coca Cavana, which was fucking worse. There 572 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: was a basement and all the all the mob guys 573 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: were in there and you played to them, and there 574 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: was no stage. The light boots was just a panel 575 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: on the wall. That was a tough room. Then you 576 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: got a little better when you went to the Fountain 577 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: Blue down in Miami. And then the one I loved 578 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: was at the Sands because the boys were there and 579 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: it had that magic going for it, and it was small, 580 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: it was intimate and anything could happen. 581 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: You know. 582 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: They had the black Book, which was you know, certain 583 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: guys from Saint Louis, Chicago. None of those boys were 584 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: allowed in town, so they're all in a black book. 585 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: But you wanted them to come to town because there 586 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: was a buzz in that little room at the Sands. 587 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: So if you're singing up there and few of them 588 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: snuck in, however, they got them in town. If the 589 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: spotlight went off the stage and hit the front table, 590 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: eight guys went. 591 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 5: Under the table. They didn't want them to see. 592 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: So the magic in that room although that the side 593 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: dishes on Friday and the wives were on Saturdays, so 594 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: you'd see them with the side dish and then Monday 595 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 1: you'd see them with the wives. So those were the 596 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: magic rooms for me, and then you evolved into you know, 597 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: when I started traveling around the world into the bigger 598 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: stadiums and doing stuff in Italy and you know, go 599 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: to Israel. All those places have magical kind of historical places. 600 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: But you know, it gets to a point where when 601 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: you got your shit together and you know what you're doing, 602 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: and you only select the places you want to work in, 603 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: you can work in anything. You can work in anywhere. 604 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: And that's where I always achieved where I wanted to 605 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: get to. 606 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: What's that voice? Who's that guy there playing in that 607 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: great scene and that good fellas? What he sings? Pretend 608 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 3: you don't see her. 609 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: Oh that's Gerry Fail Jerry Vale. We called him Jerry Fail. 610 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: Why always changed everybody's name, Jerry Fayle. I was the kid, 611 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, my robe in the health club was the kid. 612 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 5: Sammy was Smoky the bear. 613 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: Dean was a veno the ship they went on in 614 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: that that steamer room. But Frank was always changing names, 615 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: and you know, he was very judgment He wasn't judgmental. 616 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: There's certain singers he didn't like, you know, and he 617 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: was very with us. He would bring it out and 618 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: I'm not going to mention any names, but he that 619 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: was Jerry Vale. I was supposed to be in that scene, 620 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: really because I gave I did a Lonely Boy documentary. 621 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: It was the first documentary ever done on a pop idol, 622 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: and nobody knew what the copo looked like, and a 623 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: lot of it was shot at the Copa in the sixties. 624 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: So when Marty started putting good Fellows together, he didn't 625 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: know what the helicopo looked like. And you know, he 626 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: does his research, and you know, nobody like Marty. And 627 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: he called, he said, you have a film. I said yeah, 628 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: he says, can I look at it? So I gave 629 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: it to him. So everything you see in that scene 630 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: was taken from my documentary Lonely Boy, And that was 631 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: the look of the Copa. This basement. It was. I 632 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: was telling the guys the other day, it was you 633 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: don't see or feel what we did back then. And 634 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm not a guy with a rear view mirror. You know, 635 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: I got to move ahead. But you sit there with 636 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: all of these different characters, and one night Sammy was 637 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: singing and we're all sitting on the floor and Sammy's 638 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: on the floor in the band and he starts, sometimes 639 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: I feel like a motherless child. And two tables over, 640 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: there's a couple of noses sitting there. One guy says, 641 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: and you looked like one right now. With that, just 642 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: to show you what you get do today, you heard 643 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: the lights went out. Three big guys came down. Carmine 644 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: sent them down, picked the guy up, took the table out. 645 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 1: Everything was gone. Within one minute. The lights went back up, 646 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: and Savvy kept singing. Just removed them, removed them. 647 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 3: You know, my favorite thing was, I mean when I 648 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: like biographies a lot, I try to read a lot 649 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: of biographies. I'm reading Streisand's biography now, which is amazing. 650 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: Her memory for. 651 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 5: The new book, but the new book, the new one. 652 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 3: And but one of my favorite was Nick Tashas wrote 653 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: the biography of Dean Martin. And there was a rumor that, 654 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: you know, Spielberg or one of these you know, legendary 655 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: directors were going to cast somebody as Dean, and they 656 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 3: whether they had the right guy or I don't know. 657 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 3: But the Nick Tasha's book, first of all, the funniest 658 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: part is how he meets some I think you said noses. 659 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: We'll use that words of noses and he meets some 660 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: of these guys and they'd say, we want to sign 661 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 3: you and be your representative all up and down the 662 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 3: Allegheny area. He goes, well, I'm already signed with so 663 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: and so on Cleveland, and they'd say, we'll take care 664 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 3: of you. Then he meets some guys in Chicago. He says, 665 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: I'm already signed with his we'll take care Then he 666 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 3: moved to New York. He's gonna go New York, and 667 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: they like, we'll take care of them. But he did 668 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: a thing in the book, if I remember correctly, I 669 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: read the book a while ago. He did a thing 670 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 3: where he says he's talking to somebody and he puts 671 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 3: on Crosby, then him on a record. He plays some Crosby, 672 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: he plays some of him, and he plays some Elvis, 673 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 3: and he goes as some Elvis and he says, we're 674 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: all doing the same thing. We're all doing the same thing. 675 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 3: It's just an updated version of a crooner, you know, 676 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 3: of a crooner. And that book was one of the 677 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: greatest books. And it's just amazing that book. 678 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: You know, Dean Dean idolized. He got that whole vibe. 679 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: He told me when we were hanging. He idolized the 680 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: Mills brothers, and he, the lead singer in the Mills 681 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: brother was the one that influenced them. Now they were 682 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: all influenced, and Sinatra more so with Bing Crosby. Crosby 683 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: was the guy for years. Frank idolized them, Dean idolized them, 684 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: and there was always that competitive thing. But being with 685 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: Commerce was in those film industries. They brought them together 686 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: in a lot of projects, a lot of films. But 687 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: Bing was the guy till Frank started to emerge in 688 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: the fifties and surpassed him. But he was the guy 689 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: for Dean. He was the guy for Frank, and that's 690 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: the guy that they wanted to be. But Crosby couldn't 691 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: swing or didn't have the attitude the way Frank did. 692 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: You know, there was nobody with the lyric like Frank. 693 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: He'd go down to the Springs and study a lyric 694 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: for like two weeks and nobody could. He ruined it. 695 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: For everybody that stood in front of a band, you 696 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: were always second to him. 697 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: It's weird how just this morning I was having a 698 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: cup of coffee, I dropped my kids off at school, 699 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 3: and a couple of the other fathers out there are 700 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: buddies in mine. We all have a cup of coffee 701 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 3: in the morning. And I said to one, I said, 702 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: there's no human being alive as in another man or 703 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: woman alive. Maybe Ella is close. I said, where Sinatra 704 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 3: understood the tempo and all the beats of the song 705 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 3: and the lyrics. No one could ride and shift those 706 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 3: lyrics in his mind. And I played in the cut 707 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 3: of I Get a kickout of You off of Sinatra 708 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 3: in Paris. 709 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: Great album and my favorite album. 710 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 3: One of my favorite albums I on. I played all 711 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 3: the time, and there he is, see I Get a 712 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 3: Kick out of You, and he goes. If I took 713 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 3: one with it would boil me to riff count four beats. 714 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: He goes leap two. I mean he fractured those lines 715 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 3: and played with those lines like dice, like there was 716 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: no one who There's people who got close, but never 717 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: as good as well. 718 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: Tip your two albums that he loved. The best live 719 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: album alec he ever made is the one of the sands. 720 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 3: I got that too. I played that to that. 721 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: That is the best live album with all of us, 722 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: every tech guy. That's the base. And I introduced Frank 723 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: to my guy that found me when I was a 724 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: kid at sixteen, Don Costa and Don than me and 725 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: Don I introduced them. In the sixties, he did an 726 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: album called Sinatra and Strings. Do you know the album? No, 727 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: I beg you get today, get it, And when you're 728 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: under the sheets with your squeeze or anyone you want 729 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: to be with, you put that album on. 730 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 4: Alex. 731 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 3: It depends on what day of the week it is. 732 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: Well, you pick your week. 733 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 3: If it's Monday, it's my wife, Come help yourself. 734 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna love that album. 735 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: I'm learning from you. I'm learning. 736 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna love that album. I'll get it. 737 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 3: I'll get it today. 738 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: You call me, you tell me what you think it's 739 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: it's it's brilliant. 740 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 2: So Paul's got six kids, you have seven under the 741 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: age of eleven. I was gonna say to you when 742 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: you said it dropped my kids off at school. That 743 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: takes a bus, right, you got a small bus to 744 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 2: take your kids. 745 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: Well, in my family now, I'm the only person I 746 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 3: know who drops four kids off at school in the 747 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 3: morning and comes home and I still have three kids 748 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 3: waiting for me when I get home. I have seven. 749 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 3: I have eight children. I got my oldest daughter who's 750 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 3: married I always has a baby, and she and her 751 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 3: boyfriend are living in Oregon. And I met my wife 752 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 3: and I got remarried and I had seven kids in 753 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 3: nine years. It's crazy. 754 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 2: So that begs the question are you done? 755 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 3: How dare you ask me that question? I'm dumb, I think, well, 756 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 3: you know, I found that as I got older, work 757 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 3: became less interesting to me, like a deam interested. 758 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 2: You know. 759 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 3: I want to work, and I like to work and 760 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 3: when I go and do, but they just don't make 761 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 3: that many films anymore that I think are interesting. And 762 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 3: plus we're all older, and I've done a lot of 763 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 3: stuff that i've you know, whatever I've done in the past. 764 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 3: I try not to be duplicative of that all the time. 765 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden I met my wife, 766 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 3: who I love dearly, And every time the baby would 767 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 3: get to be two years old, to go, maybe it's 768 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 3: time for one more baby, one more baby, so we'd 769 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 3: have we have seven kids. 770 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: How old are you know? 771 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 3: Sixty six? I was a weeks ago, I was sixty 772 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 3: I have a one and a half year old baby. 773 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: Babies, you guys, sixty six. 774 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: Now your daughter is married to one of my favorite actors. 775 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 3: I'm not just saying I love you. 776 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 4: Oh. 777 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: I spoke to him yesterday. Was it in New York? 778 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: Now? 779 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 3: Is there for eight months making a film? 780 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,959 Speaker 1: He's making a series with Jude Law. 781 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 4: Oh? 782 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 3: Wow, I just spoke to I love Jason. He can 783 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 3: do anything. He can do anything. 784 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: He's such a good guy. 785 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 3: You know that Ozaka. I watched that goddamn show till 786 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 3: I was going to jump off the roof. I couldn't. 787 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 3: It was so tense, you know, so tense. 788 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: He loves the directing vibe. Now he's just good directing away. 789 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: And thankfully we had an end. So he was our 790 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 2: first guest on our very first podcast. 791 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 3: I was the first guest on Inside the Actors Studio. 792 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 4: Wow. 793 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: Really I did the very first thing. I didn't do 794 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 3: the first airing, but I was the first person to 795 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 3: recorded but Jim for only one reason, and that as 796 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 3: Paul Newman called me another person you can't say no to. 797 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 3: And Newman called me on the phone and said, hey, Man, 798 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 3: don't want to interview me first? And he said, I 799 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 3: can't do it. I got a scheduling confict. He goes, 800 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 3: do you mind filling in from me. And I said, 801 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: and I wanted to say, are you out of your 802 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 3: fucking mind that I'm going to fill in for you? 803 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 3: Nobody can fill in for you. But he said, would 804 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 3: you do this to me? And I went in and 805 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 3: I did it. And you know, he's a guy who 806 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 3: he's gone now for quite a while. I think twenty 807 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 3: and eighty died, I can't remember. But man, for a 808 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 3: guy who was as monolithic as he was, I mean, 809 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 3: I met a lot of people in this business who 810 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 3: I love and my peers. I respect many of my peers, 811 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 3: but I only wet my pants when I meet these 812 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 3: other ones, you know, I mean like Paul and Redford 813 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 3: and Warren Batty and Dustin Hoffman and. 814 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 2: On and on. 815 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 3: I mean I met a lot of people, Bob and 816 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 3: Al and all those people. Marty I worked with her 817 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 3: for a little while. And I was in an elevator 818 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 3: once with Burt Lancaster. I wrote an elevator with him, 819 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 3: just like six floors in the elevator and I just 820 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 3: stared at him like he was I couldn't believe I 821 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 3: was standing next to Bert Lee. And then Michael Douglas 822 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 3: would come to the US Open and one year he 823 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 3: brought his father with him, and he knew how much 824 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 3: I loved his father, and I up and I hugged 825 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 3: him and I said hi to his wife, and he 826 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 3: just frowned it with Dad's over there, and I just 827 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: want to see all that. And I sat with with 828 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 3: Kirk Douglas and I worshiped Kirk. He was cool. 829 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I used to see him when I was 830 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: living with Sammy Kahn, and I come and stay at 831 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: Sammy's and they lived across the street from each other, 832 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: so I'd go hang over there. But he was he 833 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: was just one of those big guys. He filled the room. 834 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 3: Loved him. Very rare to be that biggest star, be 835 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 3: that talented of an actor at the same time, very 836 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 3: Now did you spend much time in New York Hall 837 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 3: Did you live here much at all? 838 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 2: Well? 839 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: I left Canada at fifteen, so it was down in 840 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,720 Speaker 1: New York. You know, that's where it was all happening. 841 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: I can only afford to get to New York, so 842 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: I hit it got lucky at fifteen years old. So 843 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in New York till 844 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: I moved west in the seventies, but always returned. You know, 845 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: New York's New York. You're not going to duplicate it, 846 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: I mean for me. And then it became Paris, you know, 847 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 1: because I got married over there and got the feel 848 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: for it. But New York I love, and I got 849 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, I got my street smarts in New York, 850 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: so I came west. 851 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 3: Now you're you're several children, Are any of them in 852 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 3: the bids? 853 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 4: Uh? 854 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: Well, I got Amanda, who works with Jason. Yeah, so 855 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: she's involved there with Jen two. And I got to 856 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: kids in Europe. One's a lawyer in Geneva. I got 857 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: a young lady that's kind of a writer in London. 858 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: And I got one in Monte Carlo. And then I 859 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 1: have another daughter here. So the answer is I got 860 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: a lot. 861 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 3: I love how none of them were in Chicago, Des Moines. 862 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 3: They my kids are in Monte Carlo. 863 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: They got smart. Well, you know, I was an international creature, 864 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen, sixteen, seventy and eighteen, I was all 865 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: over the world. I was traveling, I was in communist countries. 866 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: I was an Asian and I took the kids. And 867 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: every time I went to Europe, I took the kids, 868 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, you know, what that balance is that did 869 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: you have to have? You know, But the main thing 870 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: is that family always so I insisted on taking them 871 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: so they got the taste early. 872 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell my kids I want one of them 873 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 3: to become a lawyer and move to Geneva. That idea 874 00:39:59,400 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 3: sounds like. 875 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: Well, it's a good idea. If you want to give 876 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: her some money. 877 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 5: Don't leave it at that. 878 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, exactly, So when you were talking about talking 879 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 2: about Ella, so in Paul Newman, here's an irony. So 880 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 2: when Edie and I were first together, we lived in 881 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 2: Fairfield County and Paul Newman lived close by. We moved 882 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 2: in two thousand to Beverly Hills. The home that we 883 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 2: live in was Ela Fitzgerald's house. She lived in the 884 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 2: house twenty five years. Died in the house directly across 885 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 2: the street. Literally, if you pull out of our driveway 886 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 2: and just cross the street, you go into the driveway 887 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 2: of Paul Newman's house, directly across the street from us. 888 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 2: But he was gone before we got there. 889 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 3: You guys were in Connecticut for a while, I remember correct, 890 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 3: right then you went to l A. 891 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 2: I grew up in Connecticut, grew up in Hartford, and 892 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: I tried to convince Edie when we were first together. 893 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 2: I was working at Hartford and Edie was of course 894 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 2: at the show in New York City, and we decided 895 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 2: to split the difference wound up on the Westport Fairfield line. 896 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 2: Die never adjusted to Liviyan Connecticut. That won't shock you. 897 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 2: That was not her thing. 898 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 3: Does she like La? You've been there forever now? Does 899 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 3: she like it there? 900 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 2: She loves La. But if I said to her today, 901 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 2: you know, we were talking to Alec and we're talking 902 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 2: about New York and I was thinking maybe we should 903 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 2: move back, she would leave today and send for her clothes. 904 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, really, Edie, misses. I never was. I mean, I 905 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 3: loved working in LA. There really is nothing on earth 906 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 3: as great as working in La. Meeting I would go 907 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 3: some films I shot on a lot for quite a while, 908 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 3: we'd be there. One movie we shot there was a 909 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 3: lot of breaks of the holidays. We started in October 910 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 3: and finished like in January. And you always know you're 911 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 3: on a movie, a big movie when the decorations in 912 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 3: the makeup trailer go from pumpkins to turkeys to Santa Claus. 913 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 3: You know, it's like We're there for quite a while 914 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 3: making this. But I love being on the lot. This 915 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 3: was at Universal. I loved it. But I don't like 916 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 3: LA because I'm in a car all the time with 917 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 3: the person I hate the most. You know, I'm driving around. 918 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 3: I can't stand driving. I can't get any work done. 919 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 2: But you're so be associated with New York. But with 920 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 2: everybody that's out there, you know, Jerry Seinfeld, Billy Joel, 921 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 2: Paul McCartney. I mean, do you hang with do you 922 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 2: hang with people or most. 923 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 3: I'd see them from time to time. I used to 924 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 3: take a yoga class with Lorne, John Eastman, who's Paul's 925 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 3: brother in law, John Alexander, the painter, Lorne and I 926 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 3: and with the five of us, and we would take 927 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 3: a yoga class. We called ourselves the Yoga Boys. And 928 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,280 Speaker 3: the only one who was really adept at yoga was McCartney. 929 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 3: He would do a handstand or a headstand and lead. 930 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 3: He had the most live body you've ever seen, and 931 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 3: he was like in back then. He was in his 932 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 3: late sixties and he was so fit, and he would 933 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 3: I mean, one time he does a headstand before he leaves, 934 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 3: and he gets up and he whispers to me. He goes, 935 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 3: I'm going to go take my daughter to lunch because 936 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 3: I'll see you guys later. And I looked up at 937 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 3: him and after he did the headstand, and I go, 938 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 3: you're an asshole. And I never thought I'd call one 939 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 3: of the Beatles an asshole, you know. But he was 940 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 3: always showing us up with his physical skills. He was 941 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 3: very thick guy. That crowd is out there, and that 942 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 3: crowd has all their rhythms and so on. But we're 943 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 3: actually selling. 944 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 2: Our house, moving to Vermont, right, Yeah, we. 945 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 3: Bought a place in Vermont, and I'm trying to get 946 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 3: everybody to start to acclimate up therapy when you spend 947 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 3: the predominance of your time out there, and that's the 948 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 3: time it's the toughest, you know, it's crowded, and I 949 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 3: go out there. I used to go out there year 950 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 3: round them. I mean, I loved East Hampton in February. 951 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 3: I loved it. In the dead of winter. We'd make 952 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 3: five Marcie Klein, Marci Klein, are you now? Marci Klein 953 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 3: would have dinner parties at her house. We play scrabble, 954 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 3: We played all kinds of games, watch movies, watch shitty 955 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 3: TV shows, eat, make a fire. February and Eastampton is glorious. 956 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 3: But I think my wife wants a little change of 957 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 3: scenery now because it's so crowded about that. 958 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 2: Well, you'll you'll be very familiar with Interstate ninety one 959 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 2: on your way up. 960 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 3: From Yeah, I know, I love ver Mount. It's so peaceful. 961 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,240 Speaker 3: We got we got a great deal. We got fifty 962 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 3: five acres houses built in seventeen ninety two. It's very pretty. Now, Paul, 963 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 3: where's your getaway like when you're you live in La Now? 964 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been out here. I'm a place called Lake Sherwood, 965 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: which is about thirty minutes outside of the Action. I 966 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: got five acres out here. It's Murdoch built. 967 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 3: This beautiful is it Malibu? 968 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: It's twenty minutes from Alibau, just over the mountain. It's 969 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: a private community and it's got all kinds of stuff, 970 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: good schools and one have you near the good airport 971 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: that I deleave from. So it's called Lake Sherwood and 972 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm here. I come home to what 973 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: I call clean sheets. You know, I'm traveling all the time. 974 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: So I just got back from Hawaii. I am going 975 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: down to Asia next week that I'm starting on a 976 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: tour and going to Europe, and so I'm out of 977 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: here about four months of the year, and I'm over 978 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,919 Speaker 1: in New York seeing my kids. You know, keep moving. 979 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: You got to keep moving, alec or they throw dirt 980 00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: on you. 981 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 3: Keep I'm going to keep moving. 982 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: You got to keep moving. 983 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 2: Alex. He's eighty two years old and he's still touring. 984 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 2: And I have to say this not to embarrass him, 985 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 2: but I first saw him perform at the Golden Nugget 986 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 2: in Las Vegas more than forty years ago, and the 987 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,919 Speaker 2: most recent time I saw him was just a few 988 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 2: weeks ago when he performed here in La The show 989 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 2: is as good or better with as much energy or 990 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 2: more energy. 991 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 3: I don't doubt it. He's unstoppable. 992 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 2: The show is phenomenal, and it's just it's remarkable. 993 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 3: I did the roast and he showed up, and when 994 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 3: I came out, people applauded. But when he came out 995 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 3: and sang, they really applauded. That's when you really heard 996 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 3: the applause. 997 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: I woant to ship my pets if they did. 998 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 3: My favorite Paul Ank. I mean, other than all the 999 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 3: beautiful songs and all the great songs you wrote. Of course, everybody. 1000 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,839 Speaker 3: When I grew up, we were kids, someone would say 1001 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 3: that Paul Anchor, he wrote the theme song to the 1002 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,320 Speaker 3: Tonight Show. And they go and he must get paid 1003 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,760 Speaker 3: every night. They he must be worth a billion dollars. 1004 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 3: How much do you think he's worth, fellas at least 1005 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 3: a quarter of a billion. They must have paid him 1006 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 3: for that goddamn song every night on TV, every night. 1007 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 3: And I don't want you answer that question. 1008 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: But I'll answer it. I'll answer it. I didn't make 1009 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: a billion dollars. Well, you know the story beyond no God, No, 1010 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, listen. It was always a challenge for me 1011 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 1: as a young kid. You know, I'm always running into 1012 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: a wall. And when you're young there nobody's given you 1013 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: really a lot of help. So I had. I gave 1014 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: Johnny a job on this TV show I was doing, 1015 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: and then I ran into him in New York and 1016 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: you know, what are you doing? Johnny said, well, I'm 1017 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: going to do this TV show for about a year 1018 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: or to like and really find something I like. Ha 1019 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: ha said what is it? He said, Tonight Show thing? 1020 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 1: And he said, we're changing some stuff and maybe i'd 1021 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: like a new theme, and I said, yeah, great. So 1022 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: I go in the studio, I think two hundred and 1023 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: fifty bucks and I put my vision down. Dad at 1024 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: that Dada, and I send him the record and he says, 1025 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: I love it. We're going to do it. And then 1026 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: he calls me back. He says, uh, you know, skithead 1027 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: to Skitch. Henderson has been with the show for years. 1028 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: He doesn't want some kid coming in here, and I 1029 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: can't use it. I said, jeez, Johnny. I said, well, 1030 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: let me ask you something. If I give you half 1031 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 1: of the writer's royalty, half of the publishing, I'll give 1032 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,320 Speaker 1: you half of everything, and whatever happens, you're going to 1033 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: be my partner. I get called the next day, says, 1034 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: you know what I think would work this out? He says, 1035 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: you got it. 1036 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:27,439 Speaker 3: It's a great song. 1037 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: So now it's a silly song like eight seconds, just 1038 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: get it. But anyway, what happened was what happened. He 1039 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 1: didn't know he was going to stay on for thirty 1040 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: some years. I certainly didn't know. I was just looking 1041 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: for another notch in the belt. It went on for 1042 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: so many years that these societies BMI and ASKAPT kept 1043 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: changing the parameters of payments because it was earning too much, 1044 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: so they drop a new one in every year. But 1045 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 1: we earned a lot of money from it. It was unusual 1046 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: because it was the most played same and it was 1047 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: the longest running show with a guy that knew his shit. 1048 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,399 Speaker 1: Johnny was amazing. He was just the best at that. 1049 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: He was something to work with. 1050 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 3: Well, when I was a kid, there was no cable. 1051 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 3: There was no When I tell my kids there's no 1052 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,240 Speaker 3: cell phones, no cable, no Internet, they look at me like, wow, 1053 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 3: you know, you're such a dinosaur in it, like your 1054 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 3: childhood sounds like you're so impoverished. And I had a 1055 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 3: little Sony TV, a little red plastic small TV you 1056 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 3: plugged it in. It had rabbit ears, no cable back then, 1057 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 3: in the seventies, and I'd put that TV between my 1058 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 3: legs on a pillow and put a blanket over my 1059 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 3: head because my father would come up the driveway and 1060 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 3: see the TV flickering in the window if I didn't 1061 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 3: hide it. And I had a little jack on the 1062 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,240 Speaker 3: side where you put one little plug in your ear 1063 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 3: and you could listen to the thing in silence. And 1064 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 3: I would watch the Tonight show Mary Hartman, all these 1065 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 3: crazy shows back then, And there were three songs that 1066 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,719 Speaker 3: are the most iconic songs my childhood. One is Syncopated 1067 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 3: Clock that they play for the Late Show in New York. 1068 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,319 Speaker 3: That's a famous class that was. That was the song 1069 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 3: to the Late Show on CBS. The other one was 1070 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 3: the Alfred Hitchcock theme song Bump Bump. And the other 1071 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 3: one was the Tonight Show. That song you you, that 1072 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 3: song made you sit up, You're like, Okay, here we go. 1073 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 3: It made you buckle up and go here is this 1074 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 3: Here comes Johnny And it was one of the greatest 1075 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 3: pieces of music and TV history ever. 1076 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,760 Speaker 2: So can you talk about for a minute just about 1077 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're you're about giving back, but 1078 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 2: can you talk about like your advocacy, what what causes 1079 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 2: are important to you right now? 1080 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 3: Most of the stuff I've advocated was for the arts. 1081 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 3: Like for years I was on the board of you know, 1082 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 3: based in theatre in Seck Harbor, a guildhall in East Tampton, 1083 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 3: gave money to my alma mater and NYU the Philharmonica. 1084 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 3: I'm on the board of Carnegie Hall wherever I could 1085 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,280 Speaker 3: help in the arts because I was really my foundation 1086 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 3: was geared toward the arts and still is to a degree, 1087 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 3: but I mean some is environmentally related, some health related. 1088 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 3: But you know, my dad was the one who kind 1089 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 3: of put that curse on me. You know my dad 1090 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,880 Speaker 3: was My parents got separated right before he died. He 1091 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 3: died in nineteen eighty three. He was only fifty five 1092 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 3: years old. He had a very rabid form of cancer. 1093 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 3: And my dad looked at me one time. I forget 1094 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 3: what it was. He had nothing to do with my 1095 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,319 Speaker 3: family or helping my family. There was some context where 1096 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 3: my dad looked at me and said, well, you know, 1097 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 3: God didn't give you this money for you, and he 1098 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 3: just got to stare at me, like you get it. 1099 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 3: He goes, God didn't put this money in your life 1100 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,399 Speaker 3: for you. He gave it to you to help other 1101 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 3: people as well. And I'll never forget that. And that 1102 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,600 Speaker 3: just changed my whole life. And I started small, but 1103 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 3: then eventually I started my foundation in two thousand and six. 1104 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 3: No board, no, I mean of the legally required board 1105 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 3: of two outside family members. But you know, all my 1106 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 3: own cash, all my own tributaries of money like Capital 1107 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,319 Speaker 3: One bank, car cards that did for five years, and 1108 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff like that match game we did 1109 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 3: match game, which was a lot of fun. Actually I 1110 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 3: had a lot of fun doing that, more fun that 1111 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 3: I can admit. That launched me into that world of 1112 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 3: giving money to charities. But I learned a lot, as 1113 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,399 Speaker 3: maybe Paul probably knows as well from his career, which 1114 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 3: is these people sat me down at a conference and 1115 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 3: I Credit Sweese and it was a philanthropy conference, and 1116 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 3: they said, we don't want you to give you a 1117 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 3: million bucks, then you go away. I mean, that's nice, 1118 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,399 Speaker 3: we'll take it. But what we really wanted, we want 1119 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 3: you to give us fifteen thousand dollars a year for 1120 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 3: every year, like we want to be able to rely 1121 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 3: on your contribution. We want to be able to budget 1122 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,600 Speaker 3: and make plans knowing you're going to give us X 1123 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 3: a year for twenty years or twenty five years. And 1124 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,319 Speaker 3: I learned a lot about philanthropy from this conference, which 1125 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 3: was held here in New York by Credit Swee, and 1126 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 3: it really changed my thinking because they just want they 1127 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 3: want to be able to make plants. They want reliability. 1128 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 2: Do you ever try to convince other actors to do 1129 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,719 Speaker 2: the same, to be involved or you just stay you 1130 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 2: stay in your own garden in that area. 1131 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 3: N see, I wouldn't. I mean to me, I would 1132 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 3: buy tickets and tables, and I wouldn't ask anybody to contribute. 1133 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,879 Speaker 3: I'd buy the table. I'd invite you to come. I mean, 1134 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 3: I learned from some of my friends who are wealthier 1135 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 3: than I'll ever be, more money than I'll ever have 1136 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,759 Speaker 3: it ever, And I learned from them is the way 1137 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 3: you stay friends with them is you don't ask them 1138 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 3: for money. That's right, So I don't. 1139 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 2: What do you do away from your family? Meaning, do 1140 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 2: you play golf? Do you play tennis? No? 1141 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,400 Speaker 3: I played tennisall summer. A little bit you do? Yeah? 1142 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 3: My kids? My kids have. The thing that's happened in 1143 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,720 Speaker 3: these last ten years, especially the last three or four years, 1144 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 3: is my kids are used to be being around. Am 1145 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 3: I growing to rely on that? I mean they really 1146 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,400 Speaker 3: rely When I'm gone, They're like, you know, they're on 1147 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,279 Speaker 3: the face time. If I travel to go away for 1148 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 3: a couple of days to get a paycheck, they were 1149 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,319 Speaker 3: on my FaceTime going, you know, where are you? What 1150 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 3: are you doing? You know, they're completely baffled when I 1151 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 3: go away. But I think the thing I like to 1152 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 3: do the most, it honestly, is popular music. Ceased to 1153 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 3: speak to me in the eighties. It was all I 1154 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 3: wasn't young anymore. I was probably in my thirties, mid 1155 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 3: you know, thirty years old, and I'd listened to you know, 1156 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 3: I love you, I love you, I love you. I 1157 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,400 Speaker 3: don't love you anymore? How can I stop loving you? 1158 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 3: I still love you? I mean all the music was 1159 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,360 Speaker 3: very prayer isle and very much for young people. I 1160 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,839 Speaker 3: turned on a classical radio station in La I never 1161 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,360 Speaker 3: turned back. I've listened most almost exclusively to jazz and pop, 1162 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 3: you know, vocalists, frank et cetera. But I listened probably 1163 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 3: eighty percent of the music that's downloaded in my phone 1164 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,239 Speaker 3: that I listened to every day. It's classical music. And 1165 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 3: I'm on the board of the Philharmonic, and it just 1166 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,439 Speaker 3: took over my whole life. I really, really, I've never 1167 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 3: listened to music that there's there's a few things that 1168 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,520 Speaker 3: grab a hold of me like that. I like to 1169 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 3: go to the symphony, the theater, and but I will 1170 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 3: usually most movies I stream at home. But classical music 1171 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,320 Speaker 3: is such a big part of my life. 1172 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,080 Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of it too. It does something, 1173 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,440 Speaker 1: it does something so different than everything else that you 1174 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: listen to, and it's it's the basis of a lot 1175 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 1: of the stuff that you hear today. It's just so soothing. 1176 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,399 Speaker 3: Peter Frampton did my podcast and he had a really 1177 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,160 Speaker 3: interesting observation. He said, when I get out there, he goes, 1178 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,720 Speaker 3: it's all about sounds. He said, it's not just music, 1179 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,400 Speaker 3: it sounds. He had that little talk that talk box 1180 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 3: and he played with that and he said, all I'm 1181 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,719 Speaker 3: about is making sounds, and that's what music is to me. 1182 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,840 Speaker 3: The classical music and what it does to you is 1183 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,800 Speaker 3: on the same part. One of my favorite singers, of 1184 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,400 Speaker 3: my father's favorite singer was not King Cole. 1185 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great, great guy, and. 1186 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 3: I listened to him and this the sound of his 1187 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,240 Speaker 3: voice is so soothing. It's like it's like a drug. 1188 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 3: It's like a medication. It just calms you down. 1189 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: I used to sit and watch him at the sands 1190 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,839 Speaker 1: and he was the smoothest and he was the one 1191 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,759 Speaker 1: guy it never wanted to be around Frank or the 1192 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,400 Speaker 1: guys as much as they. He wanted to do his 1193 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: own thing. He was elegant and he had he always 1194 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,920 Speaker 1: smoked his cigarettes, but with the cigarette holder he'd come 1195 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: off stage and he had that cigarette holder, and every 1196 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: time Frank and the guys wanted him to hang, he wanted. 1197 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 3: Nothing to do with Why do you think that is? Why? 1198 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,880 Speaker 1: Well, that's a tough crowd. First of all, I mean, 1199 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,320 Speaker 1: you know when you when. 1200 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 5: You you got to think. 1201 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,319 Speaker 1: I remember when Johnny got up with him because he 1202 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,560 Speaker 1: was scared shitless. He got up there one time at 1203 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,160 Speaker 1: the Sands and this first time you saw Johnny kind 1204 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: of not comfortable. But you hang with those guys, you 1205 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,200 Speaker 1: bring your passport because you never know what city you'll 1206 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,200 Speaker 1: be in the next day. Frank just threw those parties 1207 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: and that was not that way. He wanted no part 1208 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,760 Speaker 1: of that. You're you're you're straight shooter, and you got humor, 1209 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,880 Speaker 1: you're a man's man. When you're a man's man around 1210 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 1: Frank and that's all you ever saw. And I'm a 1211 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 1: guy got stories I won't even tell you. But he 1212 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,760 Speaker 1: was the guy and the laughs all night. You're up partying. 1213 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: That was Frank's thing. So if you're going to hang 1214 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 1: with him, you better be ready. And then they go 1215 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,959 Speaker 1: to the set, they start shooting Ocean's eleven. They start 1216 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 1: like at noon all day and then they go back 1217 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,279 Speaker 1: on stage to night. So that was not NAT's thing. 1218 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,319 Speaker 1: Going back to that, there's no way he was going 1219 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,719 Speaker 1: to get involved in any of that. No, no, no way. 1220 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,320 Speaker 1: And they could drink. 1221 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 3: I can't even imagine. I can't even admit, are you 1222 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,600 Speaker 3: a drinker. I don't discuss this a lot. I discussed 1223 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,520 Speaker 3: it every now and that mony. So when it makes sense, 1224 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,799 Speaker 3: I'm thirty nine years sober. I got sober February twenty third, 1225 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five. Wow, Because as I tell people, and 1226 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,640 Speaker 3: you'll appreciate this, I was in Los Angeles. I moved 1227 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,040 Speaker 3: out there in eighty three, and I had a two 1228 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,080 Speaker 3: year daily white hot problem. Every day for two years. 1229 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,040 Speaker 3: I think guy snorted a line of cocaine from here 1230 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,280 Speaker 3: to Saturn. We did one on the rings of Saturn. 1231 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,319 Speaker 3: Then we came home. We took it back home. I mean, 1232 00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 3: cocaine was like coffee back and everybody was doing it 1233 00:56:59,680 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 3: all day. 1234 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 4: Lot. 1235 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 3: I did a lot of coke, and then I and 1236 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 3: then February twenty third, nineteen eighty five, by step, and 1237 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,440 Speaker 3: I just because as I stopped doing drugs and my 1238 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 3: drinking increased, which is they tell you that's going to happen, 1239 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,400 Speaker 3: and that did happen. I just started drinking. I mean, 1240 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 3: and the thing, I miss his drinking. I don't miss 1241 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,960 Speaker 3: Druggs at all, but I do miss drinking. I like 1242 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:20,360 Speaker 3: to drink. 1243 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,600 Speaker 1: You know, Frank and those guys, it was all drinking. 1244 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: And what the separation that happened with Sammy and Frank 1245 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: was Sammy who I've got to tell you it was 1246 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 1: the greatest guy. He was the entertainer and we all 1247 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: loved them. There was nobody to like him. But he 1248 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,439 Speaker 1: got into coke and that's what separated him and Frank 1249 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: for a few years. Frank wanted nothing to do with that. 1250 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean, weed was it, but no way is I. 1251 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 3: Think I think it's great. I'm I'm not going to 1252 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,000 Speaker 3: say who, but a very famous director. I bumped into 1253 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,480 Speaker 3: the other day at an event. He was there, and 1254 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,440 Speaker 3: I think he's doing a movie about Sammy. They're doing 1255 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:55,960 Speaker 3: a biography. 1256 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been talking about it, and I know that 1257 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 1: I know Marty's thinking of doing this not the story 1258 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,720 Speaker 1: again because they wanted to read. They want to be 1259 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 1: an advisor on it. But I hear that he's really 1260 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,280 Speaker 1: seriously looking at it. But hey, whatever he does, Sammy. 1261 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: They've been talking about this. They've been talking about Sammy 1262 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: for Broadway, and they've been talking about the film, and 1263 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 1: they should because he was the best and you're the best. 1264 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,480 Speaker 2: Alec before you run, You've been very generous with your time. 1265 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 2: But because you don't drink, and because you don't do drugs, 1266 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,640 Speaker 2: what do you do you meditate? What do you do 1267 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 2: to deal with the pressures of the outside, you know forces? 1268 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 2: What do you do to get away from that drink? 1269 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 3: I drink. I lied, I've been drinking stop since nineteen 1270 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 3: I lie. I tell people I'm sober and I drink 1271 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 3: my balls off. But no, I do miss drinking, I 1272 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,200 Speaker 3: must say. But one of the things I like to 1273 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 3: do is because New York is so convenient. People say, 1274 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 3: why do you live in New York? This August I've 1275 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,600 Speaker 3: been I've had an address. I've had a home in 1276 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,120 Speaker 3: New York for forty five years. I've lived here, and 1277 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 3: I went back and forth to La, you know, all 1278 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 3: the time when I was married to my ex wife 1279 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 3: and everything, and I would always commuting. I went New 1280 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 3: York to LA twenty times a year. But New York 1281 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,240 Speaker 3: relaxes me. I walk around and I see aspects of 1282 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,520 Speaker 3: it that I've never seen before. I look at a 1283 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,480 Speaker 3: building and I'll go, my god, I never noticed that 1284 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,160 Speaker 3: about that building. Those doors. You know. New York is 1285 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,200 Speaker 3: like a European city. You walk around you and keep 1286 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,680 Speaker 3: your eyes open. And I have lunches and coffee and 1287 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,840 Speaker 3: my friends, and I'd like to get out of here 1288 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,439 Speaker 3: because the city is chaotic. But we live in the village. 1289 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 3: It's a little bit more residential. I love New York. 1290 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,960 Speaker 3: I love you know. My friend said, you live in 1291 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,560 Speaker 3: New York if you don't go get tickets and go 1292 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,680 Speaker 3: see things. I said, this is like opening your Christmas 1293 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,640 Speaker 3: presents and playing with the boxes. He said, You've got 1294 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,040 Speaker 3: to avail yourself of everything that's there in New York. 1295 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,560 Speaker 3: But and I do. I go to the symphony and 1296 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 3: the opera and the ballet all the time, you know, 1297 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,960 Speaker 3: pretty regularly. But I do try to meditate. Meditating with 1298 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 3: seven children is like trying to play ping pong on 1299 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 3: the deck of an aircraft. It's a real pain in 1300 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:05,200 Speaker 3: the ass. 1301 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: It's a real Hey, Alex, you got to get some minooka, honey. 1302 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,400 Speaker 1: You gotta get some lemon and keep it around the 1303 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 1: house because your throat, you can you can do better 1304 01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,200 Speaker 1: if you get that honey, and you get some of 1305 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: that lemon in you and just do it consistently. It's magical. 1306 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 3: I'm gonna sing one day. It might not be to 1307 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,360 Speaker 3: the next. 1308 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Life with me. 1309 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 3: You're gonna produce ready, listen. I can't affortunate listen, I 1310 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 3: can't afford you. 1311 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: Cost you nothing. Hey, Alec, We're with you, man, We 1312 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 1: love you. This this toot, she'll pass. 1313 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 3: Okay, Thank you, buddy, My love to you too. Thanks 1314 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,440 Speaker 3: for having me thoughos. I really loved it. 1315 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,800 Speaker 2: It was really enjoying it, so it was so so great, 1316 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,160 Speaker 2: really loved it. 1317 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you. I have a great day, fellows. 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