WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Tamika D. Mallory & Angelo Pinto Talk 'Project Freedom', DNC Takeaways, Kamala Harris More 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:02.560 Wake that ass up in the morning. 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:08.840 The Breakfast Club Morning, everybody's dej envy Jess hilarious, charlamage 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:11.280 to God. We are the Breakfast Club. Laura Rossi is 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.360 feeling in for Jess. And we got some special guests 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:15.760 joining us this morning. We have Tamika d. Mallory welcome back. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.000 What's good family, and Angelo Pento welcome, Thank you for 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:19.480 having us. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.320 Now, how you guys feeling How y'all feeling good? 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:23.639 You know, ready for the fight. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:25.560 Every day we're feeling good. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.600 I mean, we're in a poor and political moment, trying 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.280 to keep our eyes focused on election and just you know, 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:31.520 be present for our folks. 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:33.760 I saw you at the DNC last week. To Meeka 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.680 as an activist, what did you see at the DNC 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.199 that you liked? What you see that you didn't like? 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.040 I mean, you know, I thought the DNC was important. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:42.960 I've been doing this for a long time, as you know, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.800 so I have been to a number of conventions and 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.440 I get the importance of bringing the base together, and 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.959 that was certainly the case. I think Chicago also did 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.080 a really good job of moving people around, by the way, 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:58.960 and so I thought that was good. It was an 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.360 opportunity to see a lot of political operatives and have 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.000 an opportunity to talk to them directly about issues. And 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.640 you know, people walking the halls, they didn't have a 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.959 million security folks around them stopping them from talking to 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:12.440 the people. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:13.679 So I thought that was good. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:14.760 You know. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.360 Obviously Michelle Obama was the highlight. 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:22.959 I think they gave her enough time and space, it seemed, 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.880 because it's no way that she articulated her speech the 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.560 way that she did without it being her, Like it 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.000 had to be her words, she had to be involved in. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.320 Nobody wrote that and gave it to her, and so 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.800 she really did her thing. I thought that, you know, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.840 the president, the former president, Barack Obama, should have had 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.120 her speak after him hit it over, for. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.080 You know, she was incredible. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.800 I mean, he's I went back and I listened to 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.320 his speech as well, because I think being in the 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.880 space with all the people screaming and everything that was 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.600 happening from Michelle's speech, that I didn't hear him well enough. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:02.960 So I went back to really listen to what he said. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.640 And they was both out there like there was they 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:06.320 were firing. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.359 He still sounded like a politician, or he still sounds. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.040 Like he is. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:12.200 She didn't sound like that. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.160 She has made it very clear that she's not running 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.520 for anything period. So he is a politician and he's 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.240 gonna be you know, more safe or whatever. But if 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.079 you listen to what he said and really just kind 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.680 of unpack some of his statements, you can tell that 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.280 one they just tired. So they're just at the point 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.160 now where it's like, we don't need nothing for you. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.560 We don't need a job, right, we don't need money, 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.800 we don't need anything. So we're just saying how we feel. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.680 So I thought it was it was good for that. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.919 There were other speeches. I thought AOC was great. I thought, 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:47.240 you know, obviously Jasmine Crockett, she always I love the 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.760 way that sister is just real, she's just herself. I 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.440 thought that Rafael Warnock, you know, speaking on the children 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.760 of Gaza was important. So there were, you know, a 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.480 number of important highlights. But of course, what's what I 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.840 didn't like is I don't I don't feel like enough 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:07.240 people including uh well, I'll get to that in the moment, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.240 but I didn't feel enough folks were talking about police accountability. 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.079 I thought Sonya Massey's name should have come up many 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.680 times because you know, this is a sister that just recently, 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.760 you know, was was shot by that officer in her face, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.519 and so I thought that someone should have more people 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:25.919 should have been talking about that. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:27.080 You know. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.440 I noticed that they brought out the officer with the 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.000 weapon on the stage. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:34.519 There was a lot of. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.680 Like military kind of you know, even the Vice president 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.560 saying that we're gonna make sure we have like the 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:45.200 lethal military. That type of language is triggering, particularly to 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.600 you know, our communities because we're already dealing with militarized 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.320 policing and and we're looking to find ways to reduce 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:57.280 it versus you know more. But I do also understand 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.600 that she has to be very clear that she's able 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.920 to run on the most powerful nation, as they say, 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:03.480 in the world. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:04.200 The world is. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:05.560 Volatile right now, so you got to put all the 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.160 other countries on alert. The Russia is the Chinese North Koreas. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.800 About the builds, it's bigger, you know, it's it's a 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.080 macro and a micro. But I still think that a 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.640 part of the micro that we as black people are 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:23.159 living under this military or militarized government. I think that 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.120 you know, if we could fix that, we might be 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.080 able to deal with some of the external stuff that's 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.040 happening around us. So it's a big political discussion that 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:33.719 you know, hopefully we will continue to have. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.160 Well we will because you know we're going to push 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.040 the issues and so. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.200 You know, but let me ask now. 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.400 So you know, this conversation has been a conversation we've 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.640 been having for a while now, and it's it's recently 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:43.240 reunited the. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:43.880 Last couple of days. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:48.279 Especially applies that people feel like they shouldn't question the 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.919 vice president, right, what are your thoughts on that? You know, 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:52.760 I think we all feel up here that you question 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.080 any politicians, doesn't matter they black, white, green, and yellow. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:56.320 If you have a problem or you want to know 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:57.839 about your interests, it's no problem. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:58.280 With questioning them. 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.640 Well, first of all, shout out to my other plies. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.719 I love him and like this brother over here. I 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.800 debate with both of them back and forth as his 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.000 shoes all the time. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.400 That's what we do. Charlamagne is the only boss I. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.800 Ever had that I could go, I could debate with 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.000 all the time. Right about I just hit him up. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.640 You know, I don't agree, you know, I think I 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.120 see both points on one hand, what I believe, and 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.520 I'm not going to speak for Plies, but I do 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.440 see him online as some of the traction and traffic 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.480 that he gets, And what I think he is leaning 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.080 into is the idea that people are questioning her for 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:37.320 the wrong reasons. It's the intention behind the way in 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.159 which they're pressing the vice president, and they did the 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.560 same thing to Barack Obama and then trying to you know, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.920 of course they're not black enough, they're you know, they 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:50.200 they're not qualified and all of that. So I think 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.880 that that's part of the statement that he made. But 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.479 at the same time, I come from the idea that 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.840 we can never ever stop putting pressure on elected officials. 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.280 We have to be questioning them at all points, but 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.560 we also have to be very genuine about what we're questioning, 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.160 why we're questioning it, and is it leading to an 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.320 end or are we just doing it to find ways 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.320 to discredit someone. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:18.600 Who's in a position of leadership. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.520 So I see both sides of it, and I think, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.839 you know, I think either way you go. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:24.920 And I understand. 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.240 The point is that at this moment, she is talking 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.520 about policy, right. I hate to hear people say that 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.040 the vice president is not speaking on policy because when 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.920 you're listening to her, I heard her talk about priorities, 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:42.480 and priorities are supposed to equal policy, right, it doesn't 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.839 always happen that way. That's why the people have to 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.960 continue to put pressure on these folks, because you can't 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.040 let them talk about one thing and not do anything 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.640 about it. But I've heard her talk about a number 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.719 of issues that, in my I think you would say 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.960 the same, that these things are priorities of hers. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.640 Building the middle class, that's opportunity. I everybody on the 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:03.880 home owned a business. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.840 Talking about economic issues, talking about women's rights to choose, 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:11.480 talking about things happening overseas, talking about Israel, Palestine. I mean, 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.240 we hear those things coming from her. Now, over time, 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.240 she's going to have to break it down and there's 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.720 going to be interviews and debates. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:19.960 And all of that. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.560 But I also went back and listened to other speeches 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.520 because I was like, let me see if I'm missing 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.559 that these other presidential candidates have just been talking about 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.640 all this policy stuff on the acceptance night of the nomination, 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:35.800 and it hasn't been there. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:36.520 That's not what they do. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.680 I think the other piece too, that applies and Angelo Pento, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.120 Yes are talking about is this idea that if you're 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.600 going to question her, question everybody keep. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:46.679 The same energy Exactly. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:48.120 I feel. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.360 The energy. I don't know about trusty from black folk. 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:53.000 But here's the thing. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.800 Most Black people I know aren't supporting Trump. We're supporting 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.520 the Democrats. So we pressure the party that we support. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.320 And that's been going on since twenty sixteen. Is at 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.720 least I see that we made these people step up 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.400 and have to come with black agendas which they never 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.320 had before because we started asking questions, impressure in it. 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.280 I think it's a two way street. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:16.080 I think because it's a black presidential candidate, she's going 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.960 to have a particular kind of scrutiny that they should have. 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.360 But I think they're scrutiny that comes to her just 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.920 because she's a black woman that I think in many 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.040 ways is misplaced. 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.000 And I think what some folks are saying. 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.240 Be honorable in your questioning right and don't let your 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.160 questioning come from a place of gender or race based bias, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.120 because white candidates, even though they may be questioned, they're 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.040 not going to get that. And I think that's what 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.640 some folks are saying. And I think that's why Michelle 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.439 Obama was important. She's saying, her and her husband have 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.400 been here before. They've seen not just the political components 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.600 of what's going to happen, but they've seen some of 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.120 the hate components that she's going to have to endure 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.600 that make her political trajectory harder and more difficult. But 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:02.080 also the American publics perspective is going to be skewed 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.360 because of race. This isn't simply looking at a political 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.440 candidate and saying, what are their policies. We're saying, this 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.680 is a black woman, and what does that mean for us? 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.880 And should we trust a black woman? Can a black 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:14.520 woman lead? 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.200 And I think that's some of the questioning that we're 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:18.559 seeing that we're saying, we don't. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.640 Know if you should ask those questions. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.600 But with Joe Biden, we asked questions that people were 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:27.240 upset that we asked. I get it, like asked about 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.880 early signs of dementia. Well you shouldn't be asking that. Well, 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.920 I'm like it shows that he's he doesn't look. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:34.480 As as well he did three years. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.240 Ask the questions too. 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.760 Because I think the intention behind it, and you can tell, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.520 I mean, come on, like we listen to people, and 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.360 we know that part of the questioning is really for 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.920 them to say, we don't like you, Kamla Harris, period. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.439 So nothing that you do will we ever be okay 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.400 with because we don't like you. There are people, both black, white, 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.520 all kinds of folks who don't want women to be 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.800 in positions of power. They don't want a women president, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.680 a female president, and that's it. So again again, I 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.240 get the balance of both, but I also understand that 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:12.200 we have to always, always question and demand and it's 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.400 the way that it's done in an organized fashion is 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.960 what makes it real. Right Like, because you just being 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.120 on social media talking about the woman ain't black. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.040 That's not you know what. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.040 I'm saying that Angela. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.240 People that don't know who you are, breakdown who you 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.040 are to me because' been in many times they don't 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:29.120 know people listening. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.080 I've been here before with my solan and at talking 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.440 about gun violence. But I'm one of the four co 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.480 founders of unto Freedom and Attorney by Trade. I'm also 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.800 the activists and residents at Yale University, but do a 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.080 lot of work around policy and political change. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.120 He's smart. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.760 Another thing I wanted to talk about to in regards 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:49.200 to voting. 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.439 I always feel like they end up pointing the finger 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.200 at black men, right, because that was the other thing 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:56.800 I had. The problem I have applies today. But he 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.920 said black men. He started with black men who look 0:10:59.040 --> 0:10:59.240 like me. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:10:59.920 A quick dass. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.319 If Kamala wants my vote, she needs to explain. He 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.920 explain herself to me what she's going to do for 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.400 black people. Number One, I don't understand why black men 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.520 are always getting the fingerpoints out this when we're the 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.360 second largest voting. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.559 Blocks, say that of Democrats. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.839 Yeah, Like, I don't understand why all of a sudden 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:17.280 it's black men are the problem. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.760 Well, I would hope that Plies would come up here 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.280 and y'all would have this conversation directly, because you know, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.080 I'm sure again I've been on his page a lot, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.760 and I see the feedback, and my son is kind 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.480 of in the same vote, if you will, because he's 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.880 been communicating a lot with black men, and there's a 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:40.720 different energy around Kamala Harris that they both are experiencing, right, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.520 like just dealing with you don't go on the internet 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.720 arguing with Johnny and to tool that's not just saying 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.079 some of them are actually not box because I've been 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:55.200 I've seen several of my son's friends questioning, why are 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:56.000 you supporting her? 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:56.840 Blah blah blah. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.360 So there is, there is, and I'm not saying that 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.480 the issue is what the media and others are trying 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:08.040 to put forward, that black men are just this overwhelming 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:12.679 number of black men won't support her or are with Trump. Right, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.480 I don't believe that that's true. But the numbers are increasing. 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:20.240 Their numbers are increasing, and there are and there are reasons. Well, 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.440 I mean, I can tell because in my own family, 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.320 I know what I know the difference between the way 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.760 black women and black men in my family are speaking. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.640 I can see my cousins starting to be like, well, 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.360 you know Trump and I have more money in my pocket, 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.640 and you know, it's a different feeling. So I can 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.760 see it on a real level. And by the way, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.560 let's just put this on the table. I will not 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.320 sit here and blame black men for that. I blame 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.000 the Democratic Party. 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.800 Just as much as I do anybody any. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.920 Other part All the people everybody in charge of anything 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:59.440 is respond are responsible for how black men feel because 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:05.479 they ignore that particular voting base. Right, Black women, absolutely 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.920 we have organized ourselves to be able to fight for 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.000 what we want. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:11.599 We have. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:17.680 We fought to make sure that Kantanji Brown was selected. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:18.280 To the Supreme Court. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.760 Is selected. It's not really selected because they eventually appointed, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:28.040 but they do kind of they go do aro we were, 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.600 you know, in the trenches, ensuring that black women are 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.120 not overlooked, right, And I want to see my brothers 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:40.480 be more organized the way that black women have organized ourselves. Nonetheless, 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.800 when I go and read the platform of all these 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.960 different candidates, you see a void and how they speak 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.840 to and address the needs of black men. I heard 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.480 someone say last night that black men don't only care 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.600 about criminal justice, and like, you know, you're mad at 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.760 Trump on one hand, because he's sitting up here saying 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.440 that his legal issues is what black men are attracted to. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.520 But then on the other side, when you hear these 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.040 candidates who are supposed to be more liberal and progressive 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.120 speaking to black or to black people, it seems like 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.439 they're directing the criminal justice, police reform conversation only to 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.960 black men, and so that there's an imbalance there. And 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.440 if we want to see black men back into the 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.760 big tent that we're supposed to have, we have to 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.600 actually have a program and platform that focuses on black male. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.480 It's the type of black men too, because I think 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.320 black men who are traditionally engaged politically, who are somewhat 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.560 sophisticated in political process. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:39.720 Have not moved a lot. 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.640 But those who are new to the political process, black 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:46.000 men who are older, have certainly shifted more towards Trump. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.360 I have a son and a voting son who are 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.720 both voting age, and they both were talking about their voting. 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.520 For I'm like, what is we talking about? So we 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:54.080 had to have. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.200 Real conversations about what does a Trump presidency mean? Why 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.400 are you aligned with this individual? So so I think 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.840 there are shifts happening, but it's not with the black 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.040 men who are traditionally connected to the political process, because 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.240 there's a lot of black men who don't see themselves 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.800 when they're watching the political conversations happening. And that's something 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.280 we've been talking about for weeks. How do black men 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.960 become a part of these conversations, but not just become 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.160 a part of the conversations, but have real decision making 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:25.000 authority in the political process. Because black women have found 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.280 their way to doing that and black men haven't, even 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.240 though to your point earlier, we're right behind them, so 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.520 we haven't got the kind of political benefit from our 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:38.160 political investment, and that at some points makes black men 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.920 shift in another political direction, and we're watching some of 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.920 that happen. But the other piece is that that can 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.080 be a very slippery slope and an avalanche could come. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:51.080 While it's only a few percentage points, it could increase 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:52.560 quickly if something is happening. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.320 I also don't have a problem with people asking me 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.800 why I choose to support the vice president. I don't 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.480 know if y'all notice every day on this radio calls 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.520 in and asking me, Charlamagne, why are you? 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.640 What's the same question in answer every day. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.400 I feel like because I asked when a brother tells 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.000 me it's the boy Trump, or even I asked why, 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:12.720 I really want to know. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.520 So I don't think that's a bad question. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:15.480 That people don't listen. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.200 Though, like you said, you said, and you said to 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.040 you said, people always say Trump put money in my pocket. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.160 Right now, people have confirmed said it a million times 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.960 that money didn't come from Trump. He just signed his 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.600 name on it. And everybody's played it a million one times. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:28.560 But people hear what they want to hear. 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.160 But not only did he not sign it, he tried 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.960 not to give it to folks. His entire party was 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.360 trying to block it. If you're really really going to 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.720 get to the bottom line, And I'm not even like 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.640 a huge Nancy I'm not a Nancy Pelosi person. I 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.040 got my reasons for that, but I can tell you 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.960 that she was really leading the charge to move the 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.520 entire Congress to vote for the stimulus package. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.840 That's it. That's what happened. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.880 So we can you know, we could throw all these 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:00.440 other theories and conspiracies out there and concepts that are 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.960 not facts. The facts are the Republicans did not want 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:08.080 to give the stimulus money to y'all asks, okay, and 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.320 there were other folks who had the fight to make 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:10.840 it happen. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.040 So it's when it happened. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:17.800 Though, So when people think about how they feels. 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.679 Been able to travel, been able to eat, and you 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.160 remember how somebody made you. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.919 Feel, they were just in proximity to that moment. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.080 But can I just say, I hope that we also 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:34.080 recognized that grandmamas had to die, grandfathers, families, ten twenty 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.280 people had to die in order for that money to 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.080 make it into your pocket. It's not like and I 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.639 could see if Trump had a policy where they just 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:47.080 decided we're about to give American citizens money that is 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.640 not connected to a pandemic, then. 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.040 You might have a different type of point. That is 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:54.640 exactly that is not what happened. 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:59.320 The money came because families and particularly our people were 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.200 dying in the midst of a pandemic. Now you could 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.000 say whatever you want, how you feel about the pandemic 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.520 and vaccines and all of that. That's cool, but the 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.040 reality is that people were dying. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.919 Hospitals were full, morgues were full. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.679 And that's why they had to find a way to 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:20.080 put money into the pockets of American citizens. So, you know, 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.440 as long as we talk about the facts, I'm cool 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.919 with whatever decision you make in terms of who you 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.680 want to vote for, because certainly no one will tell 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.200 me who I should vote for, who I should support. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.600 But let's just make sure it's based in fact and 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.439 not something that you just made up. And let me 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.600 tell you, Trump is very very good at marketing. 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:39.480 That's why he held those checks. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.160 So you could have had them a few weeks earlier, 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.200 but you got them later because he wanted his name 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.639 on those checks. So when you open it up, you 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.480 can look at it and say, Donald Trump is a response. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.240 And you still think that now, well, you. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.439 Said you guys were having conversations with men like I 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.239 feel like people are not listening to Kamala. It's like 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.000 the people that I talked to, they say they're vot 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.080 for Trump. The stuff that they're saying, I'm like, she 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.000 literally she's speaking to that. So why don't you see 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.160 it or hear from her? What can she do better 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.600 strategy wise or marketing wise to kind of make black 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:10.560 men be like hold. 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.480 On, Democrats do a terrible job at marketing themselves. I 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.159 mean it's really bad. Like you know, it's just, you know, 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.120 they have to do a better job of putting out 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.439 there the things that they've been able to do. I 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.520 was just looking, you know, before coming here at the 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:24.800 Safest Community Act. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:25.040 Right. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:29.600 This is billions of dollars that they have allocated to 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.680 grassroots organizations and others that are in the gun violence 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.840 prevention space and in the community safety space. Right, you 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.679 would never know that, You would never know that it 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.240 happened because they do a terrible job. But also they 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.399 just do a messaging and by the way, let me 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.480 just be honest, I do a terrible job at it 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.119 as well. We do a lot of work and we 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.520 hardly tell people about all the things that we're involved. 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.240 And people say to me all the time, like why, 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.960 because sometimes when your head is down and you're doing 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.119 the work, you forget about the mar marketing component. And 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.840 a lot of us don't even want the clickbait of 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:05.959 it all, like nobody wants to sit there and may 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.199 sometimes I get so frustrated because I'm like, damn, I 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.160 left my comments section open and it's gone, Wow, it's 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:16.000 two thousand comments in there. And the Trump trolls and 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.240 or Trump people supporters, they're in my comments. 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.480 Whatever they're talking points, they in on it. 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.480 But looking out for the people who are supposed to 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.760 be on the more liberal progressive side to come in 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.080 there is very difficult, Like it's always in balance. So 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.119 we have to find a better way to get the 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.400 information out about what is happening. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.520 But I would say that trust and believe. 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.040 As I left the house this morning, they were on 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.959 CNN talking about the vice president sitting down for interviews. 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.280 This is something that she's going to have to do, 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.879 which I'm sure they're working on, and she's gonna have 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.199 to break down because they are gonna question her like 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:55.560 they have never questioned a presidential candidate before in life, 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.040 and she's gonna have to answer the question. 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.159 It's not just because you know, she's a woman. It's 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.119 really because the way she got the nomination. That's the 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.840 thing that's very unprecedented that people are not factoring in 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:08.480 like seventy days to an election. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.400 She became the candidate with one hundred days. 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:15.240 Well, I saw someone write a loved one wrote a 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.000 post saying we didn't get it to vote because of 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.600 course there was no primary, and they said, you know, 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:25.360 this is unfair. They disappointed her and there was no process, 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.800 And I'm like, a lot of it is misinformation, right, 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.280 or just lack of information, because there is a process, 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.439 and the process is that if you're running for president 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.480 right now and you decide you're too sick, too old 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.000 to or just don't want to do it anymore, and 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.840 you decide to step away, there are what you call delegates, 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.960 And this is why we have to vote in every 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.520 election because when you turn that ballot over, there's a 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.240 bunch of stuff on there that is not just the 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:55.879 president or your congressional members or whatever. They have things 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:59.000 on the ballot that apply to your everyday life. We 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:03.720 vote to send delegates to the convention to represent us, 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.960 and the delegates had the people also DJMB, anybody in 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.359 here could have said in this process, I want to be, 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.119 I want to be, I want to go. I have 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.240 my delegate count I got enough to get on the 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:18.960 nomination list, right, and then they would have had to 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.240 vote on those individuals. The delegates didn't do so they 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:26.080 decided to support Kamala Harris, of course, because President Biden 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.280 had already endorsed her and so many people got behind 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:29.880 to I get it. 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.800 Now you can say I don't like that process. 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:34.800 I don't like the way, and just like we don't 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.720 like the fact that this two party process is the 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.119 only way that we can vote and decide on democracy 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:41.480 or not. 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:42.800 Like we don't like that. 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:47.119 We know that there needs to be other avenues and 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:51.159 other individuals that are seriously like they have the ability 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.560 to win, that we can choose from. But if you 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.240 don't like the process, you have to participate in it. 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.120 So you have to show up and be like, who 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.879 is this delegate? Because I want you to represent me, 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.159 and I didn't want you to vote for Kamala Harris, 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.879 So now let me what's your name. One of the 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:07.879 biggest things that happened to us while we were in 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.320 Kentucky with Brianna Taylor is. 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.480 You know, people walking up to us going or for 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:13.960 Breonna Taylor. Excuse me. 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.440 People were walking around saying, well, who is Daniel Cameron, 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:21.320 Like he's the attorney general. They were like, I didn't 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.680 vote for trying when is that election? So we can 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.680 and we transformed. We helped people along with the local 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.000 community to transform the minds of our. 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.120 People to pay attention. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.679 So by the time he ran for governor, black folks 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.800 was like, oh wait, oh that's that dude. Oh okay, 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.680 you're not going You're not getting appointed to a new 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:43.040 position and getting a promotion. 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:43.960 We shutting you down. 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:47.800 But you're saying something important about the political political education. 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.600 Going to the DNC, which some of us had the 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.160 ability to do, you learn so much about the process 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.800 and going for many years, you understand how the process works. 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:57.600 You know the people. 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:01.040 Most Americans have no access to that. So because of that, 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:03.919 they become disenchanted with the political process. They feel like 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:07.000 they don't have any saying it. We didn't participate, and 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:09.760 they don't realize there's a way for you to be engaged. 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.320 And that's why even going to the DNC this year, 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.880 while I don't agree with many things, I understand it's 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.760 an important part of political education and I would like 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.040 more people to see that be a part of it, 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.320 watch it in a more intimate way because that will 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:28.440 enhance civic engagement, which just isn't voting, but it's this piece, 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.480 how do I get involved in who the delegates are 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.680 who make important decisions for the party. I think that's 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:38.240 a huge piece missing from the American political experience. 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:40.400 But part of that is on purpose. 0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:44.720 Because parties know if you keep people politically uneducated, you 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.520 will keep them not civically engaged, and then they won't 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.960 vote and others could win. So I think we have 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.160 to shift and do a better job of that. But 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:55.639 we're also in a moment where people are very politically disenchanted, 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.159 where they feel like the political process doesn't serve them, 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:00.320 doesn't work for them, people don't care about them, and 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:02.800 I think that's the issue that the Vice president is 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:06.600 running into and why Michelle Obama resonated so much with 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.399 people because she's not a political person, but she's talking 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.480 to people's values and the realities they experience. So I 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.919 think she has to pivot and do that more, and 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.520 I think she'll reach a wider cross section of America. 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.680 But I think democracy in America has to change where 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.639 more people can be politically engaged to understand what the 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:25.920 process is and not to feel left. 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.960 And if your political education is coming from Instagram, it 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:34.399 can be kind of man, I mean, it could be dangerous, so, 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:37.359 you know, and you know, unfortunately, I mean fortunately for 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.320 someone like me, I grew up in a household that 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:44.560 was all about black empowerment. It was about learning the process, 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.320 going to the precinct council meetings to see who the 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.840 police offices were. But my neighbors, people who live right 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.879 there in the building, they didn't get to do that. 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.680 They didn't get those same experiences. And you can see 0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:58.280 the difference, you know. So it's our job to teach, 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.320 and which we are doing with our Project Freedom, which 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.520 we want to talk about, you know, making sure because 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:07.640 one thing I will say is I want to give 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:10.399 our people credit for the fact that even though we 0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.639 may not have been properly educated folks are trying to 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.320 find out. So whatever way, wherever they're going, whether they 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:20.600 get the right information or not, they're like, some is 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:21.360 not right, Like. 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.960 There's a fly in the buttermilk. We got it, this 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:25.359 is not. I'm not feeling this. 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.560 And that's partially because I don't care how many times 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:35.160 the Biden administration says, well, we've cut child poverty in half, 0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:35.600 and we did. 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:37.919 We brought down prices. 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:40.880 If that's fine, but the people that we work with, 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.120 they're still in poverty. Right, they're not feeling that they 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:47.360 have to be able to feel it. So however, they're 0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.439 getting educated. At least they're coming to the process. And 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.760 I think it's our responsibility because I hear people saying, well, 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.080 what's our agenda, and we want to make sure, which 0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:00.120 we have done by putting together Project Freedom, which is 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:04.320 a growing living document that really kind of looks at 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.640 many of the legislative items that have been hanging out 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:11.120 there for years, like people have been putting forth bills. 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.359 And in fact, one of the reasons why I support 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.280 Kamala Harris is because I know about the things that 0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.840 she was doing while she was in the Senate, and 0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.760 you know, before she became president. I know about bills 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.800 that she co sponsored, bills that she signed that she 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.280 helped write, the George Floyd Justison Police and Act when 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.440 it included ending qualified immunity, which means. 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.600 That you could go after an officer directly. 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.400 Like, these are things that she's been involved in supporting 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:41.120 the study for reper I don't know why people keep 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:43.760 saying that the woman is not for reparations. I have 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:48.679 heard her say over and over again. I don't understand them. 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.800 She said she supports it. The thing is, there are 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:56.040 many different people out here that see reparations differently. 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:56.480 Right. 0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:01.000 There are people you got the uh the eight, which 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:05.440 is the American descendants of slaves. They have their concept 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.199 of the fact that reparations should only be going to 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:12.199 people who come who are American citizens. Then you have 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.399 people who come from a more of a mindset of 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.760 the diaspora, which includes people from all over the world 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:24.560 globally who are black or African receiving reparations. I fall 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.479 in that category because this is how I was raised. 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:31.960 Doctor ben Benjamin Johaka and others who taught us about 0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:35.960 reparations from a global perspective that we must see Africans 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:40.520 around the world as part of our liberation. And so 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.720 there are different people who have different concepts. And in 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.360 her mind she said, you know something about like checks. 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.520 She didn't think that you could just give people cash 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:50.800 and let that be the end. 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:52.720 There has to be a study that. 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.240 You couldn't you can't some people feel that's all it 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.000 should be. So there's what you call a meeting of 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.560 the minds. But just because I'm might be in the 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.760 atos that pot or this or that, that doesn't mean 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:05.400 I don't support reparations. 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:14.560 How we do it. What I'm that clip to day, what. 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:15.320 The people also want to see. There's another piece and 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.040 we see this all the time when you do policy, 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:20.400 there's an implementation piece. So people like to hear you 0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:22.320 care about an issue, but how are you going to 0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:25.640 make an issue happen? Because we care about many things, 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.320 But what are you going to make actually happen? And 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.200 how are you going to do So it's part of 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.240 what's behind I don't know if you support it, because 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.840 it's like saying in your household, I support my children 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.720 eating right, but you buy junk food. It's like your 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.880 actions have to show how you actually support it. And 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.280 a lot of people's questioning is coming from a place 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:49.000 that says, you're saying this, but you're doing that, You're 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.719 not prioritizing the things you say you support. So that's another, 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.720 I think level of political accountability. And people may not 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.840 be asking the right question, but they're really saying, so 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.080 you say you support rep, tell me how, and now 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.800 show me how and a timeline in which you're going 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:05.640 to implement it. 0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:07.400 And I think that's what folks want to say. 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.320 Yes, so talk about project for you comin just need 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:11.520 to tell these niggas what they want to hear. 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:12.400 Say anything. 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:17.480 Everybody else. 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:23.000 The Democrats traditionally, and I think some of us politically 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:26.360 try to have a standard where we don't just lie 0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:28.240 because we could say we're going to do all the 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:30.680 things you want and say all the right things, but 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:31.600 on the back end. 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.440 You'll suffer because you don't really deliver them. 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.880 Well, if you don't have a Congress that supports. 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.400 You, then you can't implement it to begin with. 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:39.800 Right now, what's our project freedom? 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.120 So I'm going to read a few of the things 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:43.920 on Project Freedom, and one of the things I'll say 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.120 before I even do that is project freedom on some 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:49.360 level was a response to Project twenty twenty five. So 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.880 folks started to hear a lot about this plan to 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.480 roll back rights to attack particular groups. And part of 0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.800 what we said is that we wanted to respond to 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:00.400 that because we're knowing to we're an. 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:01.400 Important political moment. 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:06.240 But also Project Freedom is a political platform or policy 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.840 that we said we would like to see whoever comes 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:11.479 into office a DoPT because there are certain things that 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:13.840 we know are important that should happen. Some of those 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.440 things are an end to gun violence, endto mass incarceration, 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.720 end of police brutality, strengthening and pass the George Floyd 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.760 Justice and Policing Act, providing a pathway to citizenship, ending 0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:30.640 the war in Palestine and Sudan, protecting black history, provide 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:34.640 a reparations for slavery, offer free college and trade school, 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:39.160 Cancel student debt, Pastor John Lewis Voter Rights Act, launch 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:44.760 automatic voter registration, restore individuals voting rights, reform the Supreme Court, 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.880 expand child tax credits, and provide guaranteed annual income. So 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.360 it's a lot of things in there, but part of 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.880 what we're trying to convey to folks is that it 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.520 isn't enough to just have one policy, but you must 0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:01.760 really have a political platform someone can adopt that creates 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.560 wide and sweeping changes. The other pieces that we know 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.160 a lot of these issues are connected, and how you 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.400 spend your money in one place will tell us how 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.840 you can spend or can spend money in other places. 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:16.880 So we're trying to provide a comprehensive platform that one 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.240 creates political education, but also a standard that we can 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:21.440 hold folks will come in to us. 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:21.840 I love that. 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.440 I was talking about guy Gary Chambers Junior yesterday and 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:25.920 he was saying, you know, one of the mistakes that 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.920 folks make, they'll ask questions, what have you done over 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:30.440 the last three and a half years, four years? He said, 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.280 instead of asking those questions, you should be just going 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.720 through them saying, hey, this is what you should be doing. 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:36.360 Here's the agenda that we want. 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:37.240 You to ask implement. 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:39.800 Yeah, and Project Freedom is important to us because we 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.120 know as we travel this country, we're going to be 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:43.240 out there knocking on doors. 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:44.680 We knock on doors all year. 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:46.600 Round, So this is not like we do a thing 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.440 that happens when it's a presidential election or some political 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:52.960 person that we want to get in or take out 0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:56.240 do We do it all the time. We are always 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.600 engaging our people, and when we're knocking on doors, people 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:00.680 don't want to they hear you. They know Project twenty 0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.640 twenty five is bad. They understand it. They've seen on 0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.600 the news. They Grandmama's talking about it. People what do 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.440 they call it? It's called it's you know, black folks 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.320 go Shore. Is some project twenty five. 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:12.640 We don't say. 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:15.720 Twenty five, that project twenty twenty. Excuse me, project twenty five. 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.320 And so people know that, but they are gonna ask you, 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:19.080 and they should. 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:20.120 What do we have. 0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:25.560 You're in the room with these people to meet Mallory, Angelo, Pino, Mysan, Linda, 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.240 y'all have talked to these people. What are you offering? 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.320 What are you demanding? What are you asking for? And 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:33.520 we wanted to make sure along with our partners. I 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:39.080 have to mention Michael Blake, Reverend Stephen Green, Pastor Michael McBride, 0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:45.000 Dewana Thompson, of course, our sister Linda Sarsore. This platform 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:47.640 is something that all of us have worked on because 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.840 we've been doing this work and we know the legislative 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:52.920 items that are already out there that could help to 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:56.680 alleviate some of the suffering that our communities are talking about. 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.440 We know how they can be strengthened. 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.520 We understand that passing and George Floyd justicson Police and 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:05.040 Act as it currently stands will not work because of 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.319 one it has been watered down so much in order 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:11.640 to appease the Republicans who never signed it anyway, So 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.960 I have no idea. Corey Booker, Senator Corey Booker was 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.759 working with Senator Tim Scott, and every day we were all, 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.759 you know, advocating for what we wanted to be in 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.560 the bill, and they kept saying that Tim Scott had 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.600 this idea or he you know, he's trying to you know, 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.120 make the bills this way or that way in order 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.759 to appease the Republican leadership. And I kept saying, Tim 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:38.960 Scott cannot get anything done if white people don't tell 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.520 him what to do. So let's stop like it's a 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.760 game that's being played. And of course the bill fell through, 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.480 and it has sort of been dead since, you know, 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.920 you know, since we were out there in twenty twenty one. Now, 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:54.880 President Biden did sign an executive order, but what we 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.880 know about executive order is they only last to the 0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.960 extent that the next administration wants to keep that legislation 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:06.200 and it only focused on federal legislation. We need to 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.759 get things happening in these states and we have to 0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:13.120 be able to hold these police departments accountable. Let me 0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.960 just say this last thing. You know, last last week, 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:20.400 we people were heartbroken to see that there has been 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:23.920 yet another setback in the case of the killing of 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:28.960 Breonna Tailor. And so there's two charges, two federal charges 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:33.040 that the judge dismissed. And of course they continuously blame 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:39.040 Kenny Walker, which is disrespectful and disingenuous because nobody in 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:43.160 that building heard the police officers announce themselves and to 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.560 say who they were at the door. And I don't 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.200 know where these other people live, but I know in 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.319 black people's homes, if you knock on the door and 0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:54.240 don't say who you are, when we say who it is. 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:56.360 We're not opening the door for you. 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.799 In fact, we're finna get quiet, move around, try to 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:01.439 make sure we're out the way of the door. 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:03.040 That's what we do. That's what they did. 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.840 But also in the state of Kentucky, these people pass 0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.880 laws and then they get mad at you for following it, 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:14.239 you are allowed to fire a warning shot inside of 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.120 your home if you feel in danger. 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.840 That is what Kenny Walker did. He did nothing wrong. 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.239 So we saw the setback where this eighty year old 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:27.120 conservative judge dismissed these two charges, which are again the 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:31.360 federal charges, which would have been felonies. Right, they're still 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:33.920 charges that those officers are facing. 0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:35.360 But it took him two years. 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.759 And for whatever reason they decide to announce this the 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:43.239 day after the DNC maybe this conspiracy, I don't know, 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.160 but it's just very interesting it took him two years. 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.600 What I want people to understand why we sit up 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.160 here and debate whether or not is Trump and this 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:55.000 and that. The reason why there are even charges against 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:59.880 these officers at all is because President Biden also selected 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.880 Christen Clark, who is the head of the Civil Rights 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:08.360 Division within the Department of Justice, and because of her work, 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:13.120 we have seen a number of officers tried and prosecuted 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:18.040 and convicted. It will not happen under a Trump presidency. 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:22.040 Not because I think that, right, because drawn this new 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.920 thing online is that anybody who supports the Democrats, or 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.160 supports Kamala Harris, or you know, even when at the 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.279 point that people were saying we were potentially voting for 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.560 Joe Biden, which God blessed, I don't have to do that, 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:36.319 Thank God, I don't have. 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:36.680 To do that. 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:40.279 But even you know, during that time, one of the 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.680 things that I keep hearing, and it has been said 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.480 to me by a number of black men Charlemagne, Oh, 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:49.279 you guys don't think critically and objectively. You can't think 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.000 for yourself. No, I'm thinking for myself. 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:53.319 Heard that. 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.200 They said it all the time, and it's very disturct. 0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:05.160 Oh wow, I've been sitting here. 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.240 I've been sitting here waiting to ask you about Brionna 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.640 Taylor because for me, like I've been studying, I've been 0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.360 I've been reported on this case since it first like 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:21.839 started having a conversation, and people have continuously said if 0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:25.520 there were video, things would be different. And now we're 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:27.680 here right where the charges are being dropped and like 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:29.120 there probably have to be an a pill which is 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.920 going to stress things out, which is like heartbreaking for 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:34.799 the family. I feel like it's a public trust thing now, 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:36.520 Like do you feel like this is going to shake 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:39.439 public trust even when it comes to like Coammala, because 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.120 people are gonna be looking at her like, I mean, 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.440 you're a black woman now, like we don't. We don't 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.560 have the luxury to say, well, Biden, he's there, but 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.279 he kind of he does what he can do, but 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.920 he doesn't get it well, I mean, by. 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:50.640 The way it is. 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.520 And I think that was one of the things that 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.360 was missing from her speech. Again, I feel like she 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.000 should have named Brionna Taylor Sonia Massy. 0:38:59.719 --> 0:38:59.920 You know. 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.680 On other issues, she was very, very strong, and I 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:07.040 would like to see the same energy around police accountability. 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.200 And I know there are some of my people, especially 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:12.640 my elders, who will be like, well, you know, that 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.440 may not have been the time or place, and we 0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.680 debate that, but they always say it's not the time 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.239 or place and we have to wait until and it's 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:21.239 gonna happen later. 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:23.399 They said that in twenty twenty, had her debate because 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.319 I was listening to an old podcast meet BOOKAR and 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.040 W and K williamsday and that's one of the things 0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:29.680 that every brought up. She wished she had spoken to 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:31.600 Brionna Taylor Moore because I guess it came up during 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.680 the Mike Pinch debate. I forgot what the context was. 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:35.880 Absolutely so I think that that should have happened. But 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:39.759 I just want to say, to drill down this point. 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.680 I don't It's not that I'm not thinking objectively about 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.160 what Trump can do, or that I'm listening to some 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.800 you know, misinformation on the internet. I'm telling you about 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.719 what was happening when he was president. When he was 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:58.280 president what's his name, Barr, the former attorney William Barr, 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:02.000 William Barr, the attorney general at the time. Not only 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:06.360 did he dismantle all the work that President Obama was 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:10.719 doing to put these police departments under fire for violating 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.320 the civil rights of citizens, and because the consent decrees 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.160 and the work that they were doing, they were seriously 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:21.000 challenging police departments. And Christian Kark has started that back again. 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.800 She's doing that work around the country. I think Kansas. 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:25.719 I mean, it's a bunch of places to get a 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:28.719 lot of consent degrees, which is very important because it 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:32.200 puts us as citizens on notice and the police department, 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.520 and we want to see it strengthen more because we 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.000 wanted to be tied to federal funding. 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.400 There is some of that now, but it could be more. 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:43.440 But not only did he dismantle all of that work. 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:48.839 He also created the Black Identity Extremists List right, which 0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:51.640 many of us are pretty sure we were on, which 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:55.400 they were pretty much targeting and surveilling activists and people 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.480 who talk black and speak truth to power. So it's 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:02.000 not that I'm not smart to understand or I can't 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:03.000 think objectively. 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.000 Nah, I can see what you did. 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:07.600 And I know there is a difference between a president 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:10.080 who I may disagree with on a number of things, 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.440 who decided to put black women in positions where they 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:17.799 are actually getting things done. Katanji Brown, She unfortunately is 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.960 outnumbered in the Supreme Court, but she and Sonya so 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:22.680 to Mayor, these. 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.759 People are voting in the opposite direction to try to 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:27.600 protect American citizens. 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.000 Okay, the people that Trump appointed to. 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:34.000 The court are voting in the opposite direction to take 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:35.800 away our rights and our freedoms. 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.120 So please stop. 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:41.120 Trying to diminish our understanding of this political moment to 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:44.480 us just being democratic shills and we just have drunk 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:45.080 the kool aid. 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:47.120 No, I'm paying attention to what's happening. 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:50.719 And for people like Angelo in me if under a 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:55.560 Trump presidency, especially in this moment, knowing that he has 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.799 this venom in him, and you know he has this 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.040 venom in him also because he has to face a 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:02.919 black woman on the stage and you see him trying 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.319 to wiggle out of that. You don't want that they 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:06.880 will put us in jail. 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.719 Can you speak to Donald Trump saying he pledges to 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.600 give cops community from prosecution. 0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:14.680 I mean, these are the things. This is the thing 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:15.160 he's saying. 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:15.799 What I got about. 0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.040 They already had damn near immunity. 0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:21.520 And you said you asked about you know what happens 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.560 now and if there was a video, But there's actual 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.400 admission the one of the offices. 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:29.080 She said, we met in the. 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.520 Garage and made up a story and this happened, and 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:35.239 that the case was so crazy. I remember when I 0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.560 was reporting this because the newsroom ice Worcord TMC, so 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.279 that newsroom is like it was just me on the 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.040 news desk, right, and they couldn't believe that police would 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.560 falsify a document. And like I remember the day when 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:47.960 that came out that it happened. I swear we had 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.600 a very long conversation and I'm like, I don't know 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:52.960 where y'all from, but where I'm from, that's normal. Like 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:56.200 it it's me the one that is the famous quote 0:42:56.520 --> 0:43:00.439 the ones that write the reports. I have go look 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.239 it up because it basically is saying that the same 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.080 people who write the reports are doing the killing, and 0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:08.839 they're the ones that they're supposed to police themselves. 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:17.080 And so I mean immunity those that'sos to affect society. 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.480 But I feel like in this case, it's like they're missing, 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.640 like that doesn't matter. It's like, oh, well, we're gonna 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:24.520 blame it over here. But it's like, you guys wouldn't 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.839 even have been in the house had you not done 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.359 everything you did to illegally enter the home. 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:33.680 Absolutely, and so immunity is already there. But when he 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.920 says full immunity from prosecution. I don't know if you 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:38.600 watched it in. 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:40.280 A BJ interviews. 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.720 Okay, so there's a moment when he's asked about Sonia 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.960 Massy and he does this physical thing. I'm telling you 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.399 Trump is a very very dangerous man. He does this 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.640 thing with his hands. He says, oh, you're talking about 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:56.839 the case with the water, Like he does this, in 0:43:56.880 --> 0:44:01.200 other words, to signal to people he's gonna throw the water. 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.320 And he did that intentionally because it puts a message 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:08.000 into people's minds that maybe she was threatening to the officer, 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:09.440 which we know did not happen. 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:11.799 These are the excuses that they come up with. 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.879 And then it was days later that the officers started saying, well, 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:18.520 I felt like her words and the water I was. 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:20.839 It was, you know, so these people I'm not I'm 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:24.480 not here. Actually I wish that for me personally. 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:26.440 If I could make a decision, I would vote for 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:29.640 Cornell West right, That's just me. I would absolutely be 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:32.840 with Cornell because Cornell has been with us in the trenches. 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:34.200 Vote with Cornell Oma. 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:36.360 Absolutely, I would vote think. 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:39.080 Us. 0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:39.960 Yeah, I'm saying a lot. 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.920 I'm saying yeah, I would vote for him if I 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.759 had an opportunity. And I'm not talking about race. I mean, 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.720 excuse me, gender. Let's take away whether they're a female, 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.279 male or any of that, because obviously, first of all, 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:55.160 Kamala Harris is my sorority sister, were both aka's and 0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:58.520 I'm definitely that is one motivating factor for me, and 0:44:58.520 --> 0:44:59.960 I don't care who doesn't like it, because that's what 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:02.080 and the divine. 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.600 Nine we support. 0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:06.880 We support one another, and then we take you to 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.520 the side and pull your coattail. What we feel that's something, 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:13.279 but we support one another first, So absolutely, from a 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:17.720 female from a gender perspective, absolutely. However, if we're talking 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:22.800 about just looking at platforms and understanding people's political courage, 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.880 what they will do and say, we know who Cornell 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:26.560 West is. 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.759 So if I had to make a decision today and 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.040 it would and I could really really ensure that Cornell 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:36.160 West wins, of course I would support him. But we 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.360 know good and well that. 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:41.560 This country is not set up for a third party 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:46.000 to really ascend and win. I don't have time my 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:50.000 black son and my granddaughter being able to make decisions 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:53.920 on behalf of her body. Unfortunately, in these seventy days, 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:57.080 I don't have time to go messing around saying that 0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:00.839 I'm gonna vote with somebody who I know does not 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.400 have the ability to win. I have to block Trump 0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.440 from becoming president. What I will say, though, is that 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.040 I will make sure that I continue to work beginning 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:12.720 November six, so after the election, when other people go home, 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.520 we stay on the battlefield. Now, if we want to 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:19.560 organize ourselves to have a real serious third party situation, 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.799 I'm down let's do it. But if I come out 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.600 and tell y'all, we don't wear Gucci no more because 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:29.560 they came out with the blackface of sweater, or we 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:34.560 don't support Nike anymore because they just canceled Kyrie's contract 0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:38.319 for nothing after the man or breed American Airlines threw 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.600 me off the plane, and that every week is a 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.480 different situation and people just black people just went back 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.759 on the plane, black people still wearing Nike. If we're 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.120 gonna be serious and discipline, don't come at me because 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:53.560 I'm making a decision on behalf of my family, my body, 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:56.160 my ability to choose for myself what to do with 0:46:56.200 --> 0:47:00.799 my health, me personally knowing that I am on the 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:04.120 Black Identity Extremists list and I could be in jail 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:07.960 under a Trump presidency. Let's get organized, Let's stop using 0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:10.919 social media to fight and harm one another and sit 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.520 down at the table and have somebody like Cornell West 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:15.920 who can help us. Do I think that Kamala Harris 0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:19.279 could be a great president. I truly believe that, And 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.640 I'm gonna be there every day if I got to 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.279 use my divine nine hat to get in, if I 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.640 got to beg to get in, because I'm going to 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:28.520 Charlemagne and say, give me a ticket, so I can 0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:30.799 embarrass you and go on and start yelling. 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:37.799 Out, but I think there's I think there is going 0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:39.719 to be a seat at the table for activists like 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:40.959 yourself and the Kamala Harris. 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:42.319 I think so truly. 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:46.160 I know Kamala Harris and and I have had conversation 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:50.120 with her. I truly do believe that within her it's 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:53.400 something different and that's what people are afraid of. 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.279 And we know that because again we know where she 0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:58.000 was and who she aligned with. 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:05.520 I can remember the great, beautiful, intelligent, brilliant Congresswoman Shila 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:11.480 Jackson Lee speaking to Kamala's support of the reparations bill. Right, yes, 0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:15.160 it is a study, it is not yet actual reparations, 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:18.040 but we know the process is what it is. And 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.800 I like the process, but we got to be involved 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:24.239 in it. So somebody like Shila Jackson Lee, if she 0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.960 comes to me and says, well, you know, Kamala Harris 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:28.719 is with us, and she gives me a list of 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:31.760 people who are supporting and then the list of folks 0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:34.880 who are not, that to me means something, right, because 0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:35.680 I trust her. 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:36.560 I believe her. 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.560 I believe someone who says, as a prosecutor, I am 0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:44.160 still willing to say that police officers need to be 0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:51.040 on their own, challenged and prosecuted and sued financially if 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.440 they are going to violate the civil rights of citizens. 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:56.920 I believe in that, so I want to see more. 0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:59.440 I did wish that she would speak to, you know, 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:03.960 the issue of police accountability, particularly around women. 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:08.880 And also I'm hoping, I'm praying that she really means 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.160 and will do something to deal with the conflict of 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:16.759 Israel Palestan and the war on the Palestinian people. I 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.360 think it was a misstep. Well, you asked your question, 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:21.280 and then I'll say. 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:23.560 Well, I was gonna say, you know, from an activist standpoint, 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.160 how much of an issue is Israel and gods are 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:27.879 going to be in this year's election, because we saw 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.279 all the uncommitted votes in the primary. So what are 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:33.120 our activists and pro Palaestinian people going and doing November? 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:34.680 And I was going to ask, how have you liked 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:37.160 the VP's messaging thus far about it? 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:41.720 Well, I've been down the road of, you know, dealing 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:46.160 with the issue of Israel Palestine for lots of different reasons. 0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:50.400 My proximity to our proximity to Linda Sarsour who is 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.919 our sister, our dear friend, who we pray for every day, 0:49:53.960 --> 0:50:00.000 because what she has experienced over the last year is unthinkable, unthinkable, 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.600 watching her people perish and be starved to death, children, 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.440 people calling her from like I'm sitting with her, and 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:11.840 they calling from Gaza, like, help us do something because 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:12.640 they believe in her. 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:13.640 She's a leader. 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:15.960 So why can't you fix this you over there in 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:20.080 America her tax? Imagine that that your tax dollars as 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:21.760 an American citizen. 0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:26.160 Is going to the death and destruction of your own people. 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:31.080 It is terrible. And so you know, I know about this. 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:36.600 I understand the APAC, you know the influence that they 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:40.640 have on our government officials. I understand the ADL and 0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:43.960 the influence that they have. I get all of these things. 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.400 So I know that for her to say what she's saying, 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.920 it takes political courage. It is no joke for her 0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:52.560 to even speak in the ways in what she's speaking. 0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:57.120 And you know, you and I debated the Josh Shapiro Shapiro. 0:50:58.160 --> 0:50:58.520 Pick. 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.799 You said that you know you know him well enough 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:03.600 to know that he's a good guy. And I believe 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:05.360 that because I heard that from a lot of people. 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.600 You know, you know, a lot of people talk about 0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.279 the things that he's doing there in Pennsylvania, but I 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:14.000 think that his statements around that issue is something that 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:15.240 doesn't it can't align. 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.359 And of course we do not know. 0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.720 Why she decided to pick Tim Wallas, although I believe 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:24.160 it was a brilliant decision, which gives me already an 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:26.960 idea of the way that she's thinking and her instincts. 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.040 Because there were a lot of people pushing for Shapiro, 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:33.920 but the attitude that he had and the words that 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:39.080 he said about the war, and some people don't like 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:40.719 to use the word war, So I will say the 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:45.279 attack on the people in Gaza, the way in which 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:49.839 he spoke about protesters and the students on the campuses 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:52.719 let me know, or at least made me feel that 0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:56.080 it would be very difficult for her to have this 0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:59.799 particular concept for ceasefire and the direction that she wants 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:04.080 to take, and then him really having a Zionist mindset, 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.560 that those two things will be very difficult to work 0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:10.840 together because she already has to deal with within the 0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:14.319 administration the people who are going to be pulling in 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:18.360 the direction of continuing to support Israel, no matter how 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:22.480 it is operating and the illegal activities that they are 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.759 involved in, right because we know as I listened to 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:30.640 her speak, she said, well, you know, it is horrible 0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:33.160 what's happening to them, and so many lives lost, know, 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:36.880 their lives being taken. They are people being killed, and 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:38.759 we can't and it's hard to even be able to 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:39.719 speak to it in that way. 0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:41.640 And I have to be honest, if you listen to 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:42.280 what she said. 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:47.000 She spoke to exactly what is happening to the Israeli 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:48.480 citizens or what happened to them. 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:49.440 Murder. 0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:52.200 There's a lot of debate around rape, we won't get 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:55.759 into that today, but murder she talked about, you know, 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:59.360 all of those things, the horrific actions of Hamasue. But 0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:03.480 then when it comes to the conversation around the Palestinians, 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:07.200 it's almost like there's an earthquake that happened, or it's like, 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:10.319 you know, it's so horrible what they are experiencing. So 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:14.200 I understand the nuances of how difficult it is to 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:17.160 talk about this, but the mere fact that she's saying 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:20.880 anything at all, and she had a very strong posture, 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.360 like you could hear the tone and the way in 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.600 which she delivered that particular portion of her speech. You 0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:33.120 know that she also cannot stand to see children, innocent 0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:35.239 people dying the way that they are. 0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:36.720 And I believe that if. 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:39.440 We continue to push the uncommitted folks are not going 0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:43.120 to stop organizing. People asking the question why at the 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:46.160 DNC and not the RNC. It's precisely for what you said. 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:51.239 These are generally Democratic voters. They are pressing their particular 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:54.400 party that they were once or are part of to 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:56.640 do something about genocide. 0:53:56.960 --> 0:54:00.719 So you know, so I know about that pressure. I 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.479 know about it because I experienced it in the Women's March. 0:54:03.560 --> 0:54:07.080 I still experience it today. And look at Corey Bush 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:10.280 and Jamal Bowman. These are two people who just lost their. 0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:13.879 Elections because of APAC and the organizing that they did. 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.520 And let me say on this show publicly, there are 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:21.200 black people who are a part of APAX operation and 0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:24.200 younger black people, some of them we know. So do 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:25.840 not sit there and get in your mind that this 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.960 is some group of white men that are some evil 0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:32.520 white men. Know there are black people on APAX payroll 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:36.879 who are part of organizing to take out people who 0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:39.680 are speaking truth to power. It is no way that 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:43.359 Corey Bush should have lost her election. As important as 0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:46.520 that woman is Jamal Bowman, somebody who has been speaking 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:50.160 truth to power. You know, Jamal out there fighting in Washington, 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:53.040 DC for us, and they have been taken out by 0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:55.280 people who will absolutely go. 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:56.920 Along to get along within the system. 0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:59.480 And that's because and it's so important to connect all 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:03.040 the dots of what we've been saying, because even Project 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.160 twenty twenty five, there was a plan, right, there's a 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:09.320 plan to do these things. There's a plan to attack 0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:12.920 political folks who stand up for important issues. There's a 0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:16.279 plan to attack education. There's a plan to attack activists 0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:20.680 who hold politicians accountable. There's a plan to do these things. 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:22.919 So if we don't have a plan to counter act, 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:25.360 then we find ourselves in a lot of trouble. 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:27.640 And part of what's important for us and is what 0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:28.040 we do. 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.759 I think people see us sometimes at the DNC and 0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:32.440 I got a lot of people say, oh, you support 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:33.200 the Democrats. 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:34.760 I say, I'm here working. 0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:38.400 We're doing what we do, which is holding these folks accountable. 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:40.120 And I think one of the things we want to 0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:43.759 see in others, particularly the Palestinian delegations, they want to 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:45.560 see and we have to make this happen. 0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:47.200 They want to see. 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:51.160 Kamala Harris become more activists and how she moves and 0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:52.200 her political skits. 0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:54.680 She can't do that, she's a politician. Well, what politicians 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:56.719 got to be politicians? Activists got to be acting well, I. 0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:58.560 Think politic you want to win. 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:02.920 What politicians can take stances that become active in how 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.840 they move politically. I was watching a documentary on Jimmy 0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:10.080 Carter and how activist he was around the environment, brokering 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:11.400 peace across the world. 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:14.239 I think politicians get to decide who they are. 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:17.160 Donald Trump is a great example of a politician who 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:20.000 decided I'm going to be completely unorthodox. 0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:21.520 And you think he decided. 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:25.080 He's unorganized, But. 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:28.319 I'm saying that resonated with people, and he has the 0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:30.799 ability to decide how he shows up. And I think 0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.879 people want her, and I think the excitement around her 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:34.479 is that. 0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:36.360 People believe she will show up differently. 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:39.960 But it's our responsibility, people who care about progressive issues, 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.280 to make her show up in a way that's different 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:45.400 than every president before, because I think if she doesn't, 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:46.000 she will have. 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:46.640 A hard future. 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:50.239 We want her to succeed, but we want her to 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:52.640 be different. We don't want the same kind of politician. 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:55.200 We're not looking for a black woman to show up 0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:58.080 how white men show up. If that happens, we've done 0:56:58.120 --> 0:56:59.160 ourselves a disservice. 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:01.680 I tell you, I feel like she's different. I feel 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.759 like for me personally, maybe because I know her as well. 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.640 This is the first time in a long time that 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:09.040 I feel like I'm not voting for the lesser of 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.239 two evils. I don't feel like I'm voting for evil 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:11.520 at all. 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:13.759 Yeah, no, I don't think she's I don't think she's evil. 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:14.879 A lot of people aren't there. 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:16.440 But I just would like to say. 0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:19.600 When you say that she has to be a politician 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:23.000 and activists have to do one thing, just do for 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.840 us what you say you're gonna do for Israel. 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:30.280 You speak activisty because I swear when they get not 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:30.680 just her. 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:33.920 When these these elected officials get up and talk about Israel, 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.840 they are strong on it. They say, I, you know, 0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:41.200 Israel has the right to defend itself, and we will 0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:44.480 support speak like that about black people. 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:46.120 When it comes to the innocent women and men and. 0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:48.880 Children, absolutely speak like that the Palesinians. 0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:50.760 So what do you think the Democrats need to do 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:53.600 to win this election. In Novemo, oh, they got to contemn. 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:57.440 Let me tell you, do not translate excitement at a 0:57:57.480 --> 0:58:01.520 convention or even excitement about out, you know, her ascension 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:03.160 to the top of the ticket to votes. 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.800 Because you got to knock on doors. 0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:09.080 You have to go out and educate people, and you 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.520 have to make sure that there is that there is 0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:15.160 resources on the ground, right, and we're not talking about 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:17.040 on the ground, like there's some people that claim they 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:18.800 on the ground, you know, like tangible, but we're talking 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:21.880 about under the root. They say there's the grassroots, and 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:25.480 then there's under the room. There's people, right, those people 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:28.320 have to have the resources that they need to be 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:29.720 able to knock on doors. 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:31.480 You need credible messengers. 0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.880 This whole process of we gotta vet everything and everybody. 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:37.560 And you know, if you had this issue or that, 0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:39.320 we got to stay away from you and we have 0:58:39.360 --> 0:58:41.720 to do that. You know, one day, I'll tell my 0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:44.280 story about what happened to me during the Stacy Abrams 0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:52.160 campaign and factice in my book right now, it's called 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:54.240 I Live to Tell This Story and it's going to 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:58.280 be released in the winter. And you know, I and 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:00.640 and and and by the way, Stacey Abrams had nothing. 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:01.040 To do with this. 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:05.080 But I talk about me being held or told not 0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:07.880 to come to Georgia at all, don't even step foot 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:10.680 in a state during the time in the last few 0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:13.360 days of her election, and the folks saying it to me. 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:15.640 They really did have good intention, you know what I mean. 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:20.280 So I'll tell y'all not yet, not yet, but coming 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:23.080 out that'll be in there. But the reason why I 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:26.920 brought that up is because you know, oftentimes we sacrifice 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:29.960 some of our people because we're so busy trying to 0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:31.320 appease these other folks. 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:32.480 That's never gonna be with you. 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:34.960 I don't think we have that luxury. We don't have 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:36.520 the luxury of cutting any of our people. 0:59:36.600 --> 0:59:40.600 Can't bring everybody along. We'll bring Pooky red ray Tt. 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:44.200 We always say, if you're not at the strip club, right. 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.160 I remember one night I was in the strip club, 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:48.400 and I think I may have told you this before. 0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:52.440 You might have said it on this don't let's not. 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:55.000 I was in the strip club one night and this 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:57.439 young sister was like, you know what, I know you. 0:59:57.960 --> 0:59:59.920 She went to her locker and came back with a 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:02.760 folder and the folder had all the information in it 1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:05.160 on the union that they are working to establish for 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:08.960 strippers like these are educated people, right, so you can't 1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:11.280 leave them behind because you don't like the way they 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:14.440 look and you don't want to go to the corners 1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:17.480 where our brothers might be because those ain't your people, 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:19.080 and those are not the type of people. If you're 1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:21.840 only talking to my mama and people who are in 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:24.080 the churches and people who maybe you can knock on 1:00:24.120 --> 1:00:27.120 their doing their home. Some of our people don't even 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:29.360 have an address, so you don't even know where to 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:31.480 find them at, which means you got to engage them 1:00:31.520 --> 1:00:34.200 on the streets. That's what's going to help the Democrats 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.240 win this election. So hopefully they do that. Hopefully they 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:39.840 don't give the money to the same people that they 1:00:40.080 --> 1:00:43.320 always give money to and instead flip this thing. If 1:00:43.360 --> 1:00:46.000 we're going to be different, let's invest in people who 1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:49.080 never I know, organizations that never get a dime and 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:51.720 they go out and do more work than these big 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:55.360 organizations that get millions of dollars to go out and 1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:57.160 knock on doors and engage voters. 1:00:57.280 --> 1:00:58.800 That's not but the reason. 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:01.920 Why these other folks miss Susie, who lives in the 1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:04.960 project somewhere in Louisiana. The reason why she knocks on 1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:09.320 the entire communities doors is because she understands her social security, 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:12.000 the insulin, how much she got to pay for that, 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:17.040 her grandchildren, their survival safety, public safety policing. 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:18.600 She understands those issues. 1:01:18.640 --> 1:01:21.680 So in spite of the Democratic Party, she goes out 1:01:21.720 --> 1:01:24.080 and does work that she should be getting paid for. 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:25.840 She should have resources in her. 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:28.600 Community to do, but she does it out of necessity, 1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:31.360 and they keep allowing that to be like, they keep 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:34.600 relying on that, and it is a dangerous thing, especially 1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:38.560 in this moment where at misinformation is at an all 1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:41.200 time high. So Miss Susie might be listening to them say, 1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:44.880 you know, she don't support reparations, right, and then what 1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:47.560 you know what I'm saying, We don't want to allow 1:01:47.640 --> 1:01:51.720 people to fall into this place of feeling hopeless. Sure, 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:53.600 we need people to feel like, you know what, we 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:55.240 can continue to fight because we all got to live 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:58.120 here together. So regardless of what, it doesn't matter who 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:01.040 becomes president, who are going to live under their policy? 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:03.040 And some people are excited now. 1:02:03.080 --> 1:02:05.200 I had a conversation with someone the other day talking 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:08.640 about the difference between excitement and commitment, and a lot 1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:11.320 of folks are in Some folks are excited about a 1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:13.680 Kamala Harris presidency, but a lot of folks are not 1:02:13.720 --> 1:02:16.360 even excited yet. So I think part of the work 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:19.720 is getting to all the places to raise excitement that 1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:22.160 this is something important, and not only that that it 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:23.520 will make a difference in your life. 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:24.800 I think it's three. Angel I agree with you. I 1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:29.320 think it's excitement, enthusiasm, contentment. But I was talking to 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:30.600 one of my young home girls and I asked her, 1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:32.680 I said, are you excited or enthusias She said, I'm 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:37.080 content with voting. That's deed White President Colin. I think 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:38.520 that's a good place to be because it's one of 1:02:38.520 --> 1:02:39.280 those three, I believe. 1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:41.800 I think being content, though you're on the line and 1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:44.200 you could easily swing to I don't know about if 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:46.160 I'm going to do this. And we were talking about this, 1:02:46.600 --> 1:02:49.600 I think we were in Chicago at Rainbow Push Coalition 1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:51.760 office that not only do you need to vote, you 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:54.520 need a voting plan because some people are will say 1:02:54.560 --> 1:02:56.960 they're going to vote, or they've been encouraged to vote, 1:02:56.960 --> 1:02:58.840 but they don't have a voting plan, and a lack 1:02:58.880 --> 1:03:01.360 of excitement will make them go in another direction on 1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:03.600 that day. So we have to be and we know 1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:07.840 this very granular about how we make these things happening. 1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:11.000 Oftentimes you don't get to support from the big tent 1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:13.200 party to fund this work because we know we got 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:15.360 to knock on doors. We have to talk to the folks. 1:03:15.360 --> 1:03:18.480 Nobody cares about the individuals who are on defence or 1:03:18.520 --> 1:03:20.680 who are behind the fence, ain't got nofense. We have 1:03:20.800 --> 1:03:23.160 to talk to all those folks to move them in 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:25.920 a direction, not just because we want to see someone elected, 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:28.400 but because we know it will change their life and 1:03:28.440 --> 1:03:30.520 if they don't do this, folks will die. 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:32.040 And she has to she has to go out there 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:36.440 and explain herself that everybody. She can't leave no stone 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:39.520 unturned because the reality is they're going to need the 1:03:39.640 --> 1:03:43.760 largest voter turnout possible course to try to defeat voter suppression, 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:46.080 because do you know, try to steal. 1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:51.480 That we are talking about. Look at that dread Scott thing. 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:55.800 Yes, one of the Republican Factions, which is a group 1:03:55.880 --> 1:03:59.520 within the Republican Party saying that the dread Scott decision 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:02.800 would make her not able to eligible to run for president. 1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:06.000 Because she wouldn't be a human like with three fifths. 1:04:06.040 --> 1:04:09.520 Human basically is still what the Constitution says about us. 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:12.160 So it's a lot of things that need to be 1:04:12.240 --> 1:04:15.400 worked on because that's a real like part of why 1:04:15.440 --> 1:04:17.880 we have so much mass incarceration is because we are 1:04:17.920 --> 1:04:20.720 seen as three fifths and the election. 1:04:20.800 --> 1:04:24.520 It's interesting elections in America get stolen. Absolutely, this is 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:27.760 voter suppression. This is a key tactic. 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:28.760 He's got for some folks to win. 1:04:28.800 --> 1:04:31.439 It's hit Supreme Court. Yeah, that too, His Supreme Court 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:32.800 is in his back pocket. 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:34.880 You have all of these elected of ficerals that can 1:04:34.880 --> 1:04:36.320 refuse to certify the results of the election. 1:04:36.400 --> 1:04:38.480 Like it's going to be crazy, which means the odds 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:41.320 are stacked against us. To get what we need. It 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:43.160 means we have to be on the ground in ways 1:04:43.160 --> 1:04:45.480 that we never have before. But the other piece is this, 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:49.040 the party is going to over rely on black folks absolutely, 1:04:49.080 --> 1:04:51.840 because black folks, black men and women come out. When 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:54.440 we come out, we come out in numbers that change 1:04:54.520 --> 1:04:57.520 the election. It's happened with Obama and I think that 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:00.360 was a reason why they pivoted to Kamala now because 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:03.080 they know without black folks. They can't get it done, yea, 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:05.000 So they're hoping that happens. 1:05:04.600 --> 1:05:06.920 Now I believe, well you still have. 1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:09.280 I mean, and I think they're going to try their 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:12.840 best to appeal to white women who are concerned about 1:05:12.920 --> 1:05:17.280 their reproductive rights. You know, this is very Handmaid's tail ish, right, 1:05:18.280 --> 1:05:18.880 I mean it is. 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:21.560 If you watched Handmaid's Tale. If you haven't, you check 1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:21.840 it out. 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:24.960 That's what we're really looking at Project twenty twenty five. 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:27.840 The feel of it is very Project twenty twenty five. 1:05:27.880 --> 1:05:29.640 I mean, excuse me, the feel of it is very 1:05:30.200 --> 1:05:33.320 Handmaid's tail ish, right, Like we're gonna have white men 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:37.840 basically making decisions on behalf of all women and the 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:41.360 white women and many times vote and help it happen. 1:05:41.400 --> 1:05:43.960 Because that's how Handmaid's Tale went down. 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:48.920 The white women supported their husbands in taking over the 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:52.560 nation and creating a space where basically there was the slaves, 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:56.520 the enslaved individuals who were white, brown, and otherwise. To 1:05:56.680 --> 1:05:59.480 these white men, they became rulers. And that's what I 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:02.320 hear when I'm reading Projects twenty twenty five when they 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:06.400 start talking about restoring the family, it's like which family, 1:06:06.440 --> 1:06:07.440 which kind of family? 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:09.040 Are you speaking about, you know. 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:14.720 Being able to fire thousands of civil service employees who 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:18.280 don't support the MAGA agenda? Like this is very they're 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:21.800 very specific. People better read that Project twenty twenty five document. 1:06:22.080 --> 1:06:25.640 And so there are white women who understand when the 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:28.360 President says a lot of folks keep saying, well, he's 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:31.880 saying the states have the power to make the decision 1:06:32.040 --> 1:06:36.600 on abortion. That is the most dangerous proposition ever because 1:06:36.600 --> 1:06:41.000 if you have a Ron DeSantis governor, imagine what will 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:43.720 happen to women in those states. You think these white 1:06:43.720 --> 1:06:46.640 women are not sitting around like are we doing that? 1:06:47.040 --> 1:06:49.600 I might not even like Kamala Harris, but I'm gonna 1:06:49.600 --> 1:06:51.840 be able to go on and slip to the abortion 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:55.960 clinic if I need to, or go get my IVF right, 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:58.800 which is important for them because if you're not ready 1:06:58.800 --> 1:07:02.120 to have children, you need another option. I have a 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:05.160 lot of people who have used as you know now 1:07:05.160 --> 1:07:07.760 we're forty years old, forty four. I hear about IVF 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:10.960 all the time from women across the spectrum. And Donald 1:07:11.000 --> 1:07:14.720 Trump would say, well, he doesn't support an ending IVF 1:07:14.840 --> 1:07:18.440 or or blocking women from having that option. The problem, though, 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:21.880 is that when you hear the Project twenty twenty five coordinators, 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:25.880 they are saying, for sure, quietly, remember last week they 1:07:25.880 --> 1:07:30.760 put out an interview where these two students went and 1:07:30.800 --> 1:07:34.640 they changed their identity and they snuck in to get 1:07:34.720 --> 1:07:38.200 an interview with one of the Project twenty twenty five creators, 1:07:38.400 --> 1:07:42.000 and he basically was saying, you know, they gotta distance 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:44.280 themselves from us right now, but we're not worried about 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:47.800 it because we have people around him who are working 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:50.439 to make these things in reality, and we know we're 1:07:50.440 --> 1:07:51.280 going to push the plan. 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:54.040 I don't want to be I don't even want the 1:07:54.080 --> 1:07:57.200 president where those are your friends. I don't even want 1:07:57.200 --> 1:07:59.440 your friends. 1:07:58.720 --> 1:08:00.880 To be the type all of people that work for 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:04.320 you are folks that are part of writing a document 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:07.200 like Project twenty twenty five. It's something wrong with you 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:09.440 and your people. And I don't even want to have it. 1:08:09.480 --> 1:08:11.320 I don't want to take the chance that's okay, come 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:12.600 back with some new friends. 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:15.520 And the fact that that could be a political document 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:18.680 in twenty twenty four is outrageous, crazy, right. And I 1:08:19.040 --> 1:08:21.479 was talking to somebody and they were explaining it or 1:08:21.479 --> 1:08:25.240 comparing it to the twenty twenty four Willy Lynch papers, 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:28.599 because it's an agenda or a plan to really attack 1:08:29.080 --> 1:08:33.360 black folks, brown folks, indigenous folks, and democracy as a whole. 1:08:33.680 --> 1:08:35.760 That's really what the document seeks to do. It's like 1:08:35.760 --> 1:08:39.320 it's a political document that says we're going to dismantle democracy. 1:08:39.640 --> 1:08:42.720 And that's okay, that should be mind blowing to. 1:08:42.800 --> 1:08:45.200 Us, but so much of us don't know exactly what's 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:46.840 in the document and the attack on us. 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:48.640 Well, how can people follow you and support you if 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:48.960 need be? 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:50.720 Well, first let me just say shout out to you, 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:53.559 said Willy Lynch, and so shout out to my son 1:08:54.400 --> 1:08:58.240 who just did a response letter to the Willie Lynch letter. 1:08:58.320 --> 1:08:59.920 And so it's on this page you can listen to. 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:04.920 It is obviously him speaking. And you know, I think 1:09:04.960 --> 1:09:08.160 that in this particular moment, it's going to take all 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:11.880 different types of people to really help make the case 1:09:11.960 --> 1:09:16.040 for why it's not even about people and personalities, but 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.839 the fact that we really do have to protect ourselves 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:19.599 in this country. 1:09:19.720 --> 1:09:21.080 And that's what I'm all about. 1:09:21.439 --> 1:09:23.200 And so if you want to follow me, and by 1:09:23.200 --> 1:09:25.080 the way, let me go back and say my book 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:28.280 name is I Live to tell this story. The cover 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:31.840 is amazing it's about to drop. I'm really excited about 1:09:31.840 --> 1:09:32.800 it and this book. 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:34.679 In the video, I love this turn to comutre around. 1:09:34.680 --> 1:09:41.320 But this book is not political. This book is not 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:44.920 a political book. It is I mean, there is some 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:48.120 political commentary you've been there. But this book is my memoir. 1:09:48.160 --> 1:09:51.240 It's about my life and that's why I say I 1:09:51.320 --> 1:09:54.120 live to tell this story and I hope that people 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:56.080 will pick it up so that you can learn more 1:09:56.160 --> 1:09:58.880 about me outside of what you read online or even 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:00.960 when you see me in the street. There's there's a 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:03.640 lot of stuff about imposter syndrome and other things that 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:06.360 I have been through in my life that have helped 1:10:06.400 --> 1:10:08.479 me come to this point. So make sure you guys 1:10:08.520 --> 1:10:10.920 stay with the journey for the new book. You can 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:15.599 go to Atamika D. Mallory on Instagram, follow us until Freedom. 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:18.679 We're on until freedom dot com. We're at until Freedom. 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:21.240 And unfortunately, I'm one of those people that gets in 1:10:21.280 --> 1:10:25.719 the comments to cut your ass back out so. 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:26.840 Someone might talk about your mama if you talk about us. 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:28.519 I said it the other day. The man said you're 1:10:28.520 --> 1:10:32.280 an airhead. I said, me and your mama. 1:10:31.280 --> 1:10:33.479 All right, Well. 1:10:33.280 --> 1:10:36.360 It's to med Mallory Angelo Pinto. It's the Breakfast Club. 1:10:36.360 --> 1:10:40.040 Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast 1:10:40.120 --> 1:10:40.439 Club