Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning, everybody's dej envy Jess hilarious, charlamage
Speaker 2: to God. We are the Breakfast Club. Laura Rossi is
Speaker 2: feeling in for Jess. And we got some special guests
Speaker 2: joining us this morning. We have Tamika d. Mallory welcome back.
Speaker 2: What's good family, and Angelo Pento welcome, Thank you for
Speaker 2: having us.
Speaker 3: Now, how you guys feeling How y'all feeling good?
Speaker 4: You know, ready for the fight.
Speaker 1: Every day we're feeling good.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're in a poor and political moment, trying
Speaker 5: to keep our eyes focused on election and just you know,
Speaker 5: be present for our folks.
Speaker 6: I saw you at the DNC last week. To Meeka
Speaker 6: as an activist, what did you see at the DNC
Speaker 6: that you liked? What you see that you didn't like?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I thought the DNC was important.
Speaker 7: I've been doing this for a long time, as you know,
Speaker 7: so I have been to a number of conventions and
Speaker 7: I get the importance of bringing the base together, and
Speaker 7: that was certainly the case. I think Chicago also did
Speaker 7: a really good job of moving people around, by the way,
Speaker 7: and so I thought that was good. It was an
Speaker 7: opportunity to see a lot of political operatives and have
Speaker 7: an opportunity to talk to them directly about issues. And
Speaker 7: you know, people walking the halls, they didn't have a
Speaker 7: million security folks around them stopping them from talking to
Speaker 7: the people.
Speaker 4: So I thought that was good.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: Obviously Michelle Obama was the highlight.
Speaker 7: I think they gave her enough time and space, it seemed,
Speaker 7: because it's no way that she articulated her speech the
Speaker 7: way that she did without it being her, Like it
Speaker 7: had to be her words, she had to be involved in.
Speaker 7: Nobody wrote that and gave it to her, and so
Speaker 7: she really did her thing. I thought that, you know,
Speaker 7: the president, the former president, Barack Obama, should have had
Speaker 7: her speak after him hit it over, for.
Speaker 4: You know, she was incredible.
Speaker 7: I mean, he's I went back and I listened to
Speaker 7: his speech as well, because I think being in the
Speaker 7: space with all the people screaming and everything that was
Speaker 7: happening from Michelle's speech, that I didn't hear him well enough.
Speaker 7: So I went back to really listen to what he said.
Speaker 7: And they was both out there like there was they
Speaker 7: were firing.
Speaker 8: He still sounded like a politician, or he still sounds.
Speaker 2: Like he is.
Speaker 8: She didn't sound like that.
Speaker 7: She has made it very clear that she's not running
Speaker 7: for anything period. So he is a politician and he's
Speaker 7: gonna be you know, more safe or whatever. But if
Speaker 7: you listen to what he said and really just kind
Speaker 7: of unpack some of his statements, you can tell that
Speaker 7: one they just tired. So they're just at the point
Speaker 7: now where it's like, we don't need nothing for you.
Speaker 7: We don't need a job, right, we don't need money,
Speaker 7: we don't need anything. So we're just saying how we feel.
Speaker 7: So I thought it was it was good for that.
Speaker 7: There were other speeches. I thought AOC was great. I thought,
Speaker 7: you know, obviously Jasmine Crockett, she always I love the
Speaker 7: way that sister is just real, she's just herself. I
Speaker 7: thought that Rafael Warnock, you know, speaking on the children
Speaker 7: of Gaza was important. So there were, you know, a
Speaker 7: number of important highlights. But of course, what's what I
Speaker 7: didn't like is I don't I don't feel like enough
Speaker 7: people including uh well, I'll get to that in the moment,
Speaker 7: but I didn't feel enough folks were talking about police accountability.
Speaker 7: I thought Sonya Massey's name should have come up many
Speaker 7: times because you know, this is a sister that just recently,
Speaker 7: you know, was was shot by that officer in her face,
Speaker 7: and so I thought that someone should have more people
Speaker 7: should have been talking about that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: I noticed that they brought out the officer with the
Speaker 7: weapon on the stage.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of.
Speaker 7: Like military kind of you know, even the Vice president
Speaker 7: saying that we're gonna make sure we have like the
Speaker 7: lethal military. That type of language is triggering, particularly to
Speaker 7: you know, our communities because we're already dealing with militarized
Speaker 7: policing and and we're looking to find ways to reduce
Speaker 7: it versus you know more. But I do also understand
Speaker 7: that she has to be very clear that she's able
Speaker 7: to run on the most powerful nation, as they say,
Speaker 7: in the world.
Speaker 3: The world is.
Speaker 6: Volatile right now, so you got to put all the
Speaker 6: other countries on alert. The Russia is the Chinese North Koreas.
Speaker 7: About the builds, it's bigger, you know, it's it's a
Speaker 7: macro and a micro. But I still think that a
Speaker 7: part of the micro that we as black people are
Speaker 7: living under this military or militarized government. I think that
Speaker 7: you know, if we could fix that, we might be
Speaker 7: able to deal with some of the external stuff that's
Speaker 7: happening around us. So it's a big political discussion that
Speaker 7: you know, hopefully we will continue to have.
Speaker 4: Well we will because you know we're going to push
Speaker 4: the issues and so.
Speaker 3: You know, but let me ask now.
Speaker 2: So you know, this conversation has been a conversation we've
Speaker 2: been having for a while now, and it's it's recently
Speaker 2: reunited the.
Speaker 3: Last couple of days.
Speaker 2: Especially applies that people feel like they shouldn't question the
Speaker 2: vice president, right, what are your thoughts on that? You know,
Speaker 2: I think we all feel up here that you question
Speaker 2: any politicians, doesn't matter they black, white, green, and yellow.
Speaker 2: If you have a problem or you want to know
Speaker 2: about your interests, it's no problem.
Speaker 3: With questioning them.
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, shout out to my other plies.
Speaker 7: I love him and like this brother over here. I
Speaker 7: debate with both of them back and forth as his
Speaker 7: shoes all the time.
Speaker 4: That's what we do. Charlamagne is the only boss I.
Speaker 7: Ever had that I could go, I could debate with
Speaker 7: all the time. Right about I just hit him up.
Speaker 7: You know, I don't agree, you know, I think I
Speaker 7: see both points on one hand, what I believe, and
Speaker 7: I'm not going to speak for Plies, but I do
Speaker 7: see him online as some of the traction and traffic
Speaker 7: that he gets, And what I think he is leaning
Speaker 7: into is the idea that people are questioning her for
Speaker 7: the wrong reasons. It's the intention behind the way in
Speaker 7: which they're pressing the vice president, and they did the
Speaker 7: same thing to Barack Obama and then trying to you know,
Speaker 7: of course they're not black enough, they're you know, they
Speaker 7: they're not qualified and all of that. So I think
Speaker 7: that that's part of the statement that he made. But
Speaker 7: at the same time, I come from the idea that
Speaker 7: we can never ever stop putting pressure on elected officials.
Speaker 7: We have to be questioning them at all points, but
Speaker 7: we also have to be very genuine about what we're questioning,
Speaker 7: why we're questioning it, and is it leading to an
Speaker 7: end or are we just doing it to find ways
Speaker 7: to discredit someone.
Speaker 4: Who's in a position of leadership.
Speaker 7: So I see both sides of it, and I think,
Speaker 7: you know, I think either way you go.
Speaker 4: And I understand.
Speaker 7: The point is that at this moment, she is talking
Speaker 7: about policy, right. I hate to hear people say that
Speaker 7: the vice president is not speaking on policy because when
Speaker 7: you're listening to her, I heard her talk about priorities,
Speaker 7: and priorities are supposed to equal policy, right, it doesn't
Speaker 7: always happen that way. That's why the people have to
Speaker 7: continue to put pressure on these folks, because you can't
Speaker 7: let them talk about one thing and not do anything
Speaker 7: about it. But I've heard her talk about a number
Speaker 7: of issues that, in my I think you would say
Speaker 7: the same, that these things are priorities of hers.
Speaker 6: Building the middle class, that's opportunity. I everybody on the
Speaker 6: home owned a business.
Speaker 7: Talking about economic issues, talking about women's rights to choose,
Speaker 7: talking about things happening overseas, talking about Israel, Palestine. I mean,
Speaker 7: we hear those things coming from her. Now, over time,
Speaker 7: she's going to have to break it down and there's
Speaker 7: going to be interviews and debates.
Speaker 4: And all of that.
Speaker 7: But I also went back and listened to other speeches
Speaker 7: because I was like, let me see if I'm missing
Speaker 7: that these other presidential candidates have just been talking about
Speaker 7: all this policy stuff on the acceptance night of the nomination,
Speaker 7: and it hasn't been there.
Speaker 4: That's not what they do.
Speaker 5: I think the other piece too, that applies and Angelo Pento,
Speaker 5: Yes are talking about is this idea that if you're
Speaker 5: going to question her, question everybody keep.
Speaker 4: The same energy Exactly.
Speaker 8: I feel.
Speaker 1: The energy. I don't know about trusty from black folk.
Speaker 8: But here's the thing.
Speaker 6: Most Black people I know aren't supporting Trump. We're supporting
Speaker 6: the Democrats. So we pressure the party that we support.
Speaker 6: And that's been going on since twenty sixteen. Is at
Speaker 6: least I see that we made these people step up
Speaker 6: and have to come with black agendas which they never
Speaker 6: had before because we started asking questions, impressure in it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a two way street.
Speaker 5: I think because it's a black presidential candidate, she's going
Speaker 5: to have a particular kind of scrutiny that they should have.
Speaker 5: But I think they're scrutiny that comes to her just
Speaker 5: because she's a black woman that I think in many
Speaker 5: ways is misplaced.
Speaker 1: And I think what some folks are saying.
Speaker 5: Be honorable in your questioning right and don't let your
Speaker 5: questioning come from a place of gender or race based bias,
Speaker 5: because white candidates, even though they may be questioned, they're
Speaker 5: not going to get that. And I think that's what
Speaker 5: some folks are saying. And I think that's why Michelle
Speaker 5: Obama was important. She's saying, her and her husband have
Speaker 5: been here before. They've seen not just the political components
Speaker 5: of what's going to happen, but they've seen some of
Speaker 5: the hate components that she's going to have to endure
Speaker 5: that make her political trajectory harder and more difficult. But
Speaker 5: also the American publics perspective is going to be skewed
Speaker 5: because of race. This isn't simply looking at a political
Speaker 5: candidate and saying, what are their policies. We're saying, this
Speaker 5: is a black woman, and what does that mean for us?
Speaker 1: And should we trust a black woman? Can a black
Speaker 1: woman lead?
Speaker 5: And I think that's some of the questioning that we're
Speaker 5: seeing that we're saying, we don't.
Speaker 1: Know if you should ask those questions.
Speaker 2: But with Joe Biden, we asked questions that people were
Speaker 2: upset that we asked. I get it, like asked about
Speaker 2: early signs of dementia. Well you shouldn't be asking that. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm like it shows that he's he doesn't look.
Speaker 3: As as well he did three years.
Speaker 1: Ask the questions too.
Speaker 7: Because I think the intention behind it, and you can tell,
Speaker 7: I mean, come on, like we listen to people, and
Speaker 7: we know that part of the questioning is really for
Speaker 7: them to say, we don't like you, Kamla Harris, period.
Speaker 7: So nothing that you do will we ever be okay
Speaker 7: with because we don't like you. There are people, both black, white,
Speaker 7: all kinds of folks who don't want women to be
Speaker 7: in positions of power. They don't want a women president,
Speaker 7: a female president, and that's it. So again again, I
Speaker 7: get the balance of both, but I also understand that
Speaker 7: we have to always, always question and demand and it's
Speaker 7: the way that it's done in an organized fashion is
Speaker 7: what makes it real. Right Like, because you just being
Speaker 7: on social media talking about the woman ain't black.
Speaker 4: That's not you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that Angela.
Speaker 2: People that don't know who you are, breakdown who you
Speaker 2: are to me because' been in many times they don't
Speaker 2: know people listening.
Speaker 5: I've been here before with my solan and at talking
Speaker 5: about gun violence. But I'm one of the four co
Speaker 5: founders of unto Freedom and Attorney by Trade. I'm also
Speaker 5: the activists and residents at Yale University, but do a
Speaker 5: lot of work around policy and political change.
Speaker 4: He's smart.
Speaker 8: Another thing I wanted to talk about to in regards
Speaker 8: to voting.
Speaker 6: I always feel like they end up pointing the finger
Speaker 6: at black men, right, because that was the other thing
Speaker 6: I had. The problem I have applies today. But he
Speaker 6: said black men. He started with black men who look
Speaker 6: like me.
Speaker 8: A quick dass.
Speaker 6: If Kamala wants my vote, she needs to explain. He
Speaker 6: explain herself to me what she's going to do for
Speaker 6: black people. Number One, I don't understand why black men
Speaker 6: are always getting the fingerpoints out this when we're the
Speaker 6: second largest voting.
Speaker 8: Blocks, say that of Democrats.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, I don't understand why all of a sudden
Speaker 6: it's black men are the problem.
Speaker 7: Well, I would hope that Plies would come up here
Speaker 7: and y'all would have this conversation directly, because you know,
Speaker 7: I'm sure again I've been on his page a lot,
Speaker 7: and I see the feedback, and my son is kind
Speaker 7: of in the same vote, if you will, because he's
Speaker 7: been communicating a lot with black men, and there's a
Speaker 7: different energy around Kamala Harris that they both are experiencing, right,
Speaker 7: like just dealing with you don't go on the internet
Speaker 7: arguing with Johnny and to tool that's not just saying
Speaker 7: some of them are actually not box because I've been
Speaker 7: I've seen several of my son's friends questioning, why are
Speaker 7: you supporting her?
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 7: So there is, there is, and I'm not saying that
Speaker 7: the issue is what the media and others are trying
Speaker 7: to put forward, that black men are just this overwhelming
Speaker 7: number of black men won't support her or are with Trump. Right,
Speaker 7: I don't believe that that's true. But the numbers are increasing.
Speaker 7: Their numbers are increasing, and there are and there are reasons. Well,
Speaker 7: I mean, I can tell because in my own family,
Speaker 7: I know what I know the difference between the way
Speaker 7: black women and black men in my family are speaking.
Speaker 7: I can see my cousins starting to be like, well,
Speaker 7: you know Trump and I have more money in my pocket,
Speaker 7: and you know, it's a different feeling. So I can
Speaker 7: see it on a real level. And by the way,
Speaker 7: let's just put this on the table. I will not
Speaker 7: sit here and blame black men for that. I blame
Speaker 7: the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4: Just as much as I do anybody any.
Speaker 7: Other part All the people everybody in charge of anything
Speaker 7: is respond are responsible for how black men feel because
Speaker 7: they ignore that particular voting base. Right, Black women, absolutely
Speaker 7: we have organized ourselves to be able to fight for
Speaker 7: what we want.
Speaker 4: We have.
Speaker 7: We fought to make sure that Kantanji Brown was selected.
Speaker 4: To the Supreme Court.
Speaker 7: Is selected. It's not really selected because they eventually appointed,
Speaker 7: but they do kind of they go do aro we were,
Speaker 7: you know, in the trenches, ensuring that black women are
Speaker 7: not overlooked, right, And I want to see my brothers
Speaker 7: be more organized the way that black women have organized ourselves. Nonetheless,
Speaker 7: when I go and read the platform of all these
Speaker 7: different candidates, you see a void and how they speak
Speaker 7: to and address the needs of black men. I heard
Speaker 7: someone say last night that black men don't only care
Speaker 7: about criminal justice, and like, you know, you're mad at
Speaker 7: Trump on one hand, because he's sitting up here saying
Speaker 7: that his legal issues is what black men are attracted to.
Speaker 7: But then on the other side, when you hear these
Speaker 7: candidates who are supposed to be more liberal and progressive
Speaker 7: speaking to black or to black people, it seems like
Speaker 7: they're directing the criminal justice, police reform conversation only to
Speaker 7: black men, and so that there's an imbalance there. And
Speaker 7: if we want to see black men back into the
Speaker 7: big tent that we're supposed to have, we have to
Speaker 7: actually have a program and platform that focuses on black male.
Speaker 5: It's the type of black men too, because I think
Speaker 5: black men who are traditionally engaged politically, who are somewhat
Speaker 5: sophisticated in political process.
Speaker 1: Have not moved a lot.
Speaker 5: But those who are new to the political process, black
Speaker 5: men who are older, have certainly shifted more towards Trump.
Speaker 5: I have a son and a voting son who are
Speaker 5: both voting age, and they both were talking about their voting.
Speaker 1: For I'm like, what is we talking about? So we
Speaker 1: had to have.
Speaker 5: Real conversations about what does a Trump presidency mean? Why
Speaker 5: are you aligned with this individual? So so I think
Speaker 5: there are shifts happening, but it's not with the black
Speaker 5: men who are traditionally connected to the political process, because
Speaker 5: there's a lot of black men who don't see themselves
Speaker 5: when they're watching the political conversations happening. And that's something
Speaker 5: we've been talking about for weeks. How do black men
Speaker 5: become a part of these conversations, but not just become
Speaker 5: a part of the conversations, but have real decision making
Speaker 5: authority in the political process. Because black women have found
Speaker 5: their way to doing that and black men haven't, even
Speaker 5: though to your point earlier, we're right behind them, so
Speaker 5: we haven't got the kind of political benefit from our
Speaker 5: political investment, and that at some points makes black men
Speaker 5: shift in another political direction, and we're watching some of
Speaker 5: that happen. But the other piece is that that can
Speaker 5: be a very slippery slope and an avalanche could come.
Speaker 5: While it's only a few percentage points, it could increase
Speaker 5: quickly if something is happening.
Speaker 6: I also don't have a problem with people asking me
Speaker 6: why I choose to support the vice president. I don't
Speaker 6: know if y'all notice every day on this radio calls
Speaker 6: in and asking me, Charlamagne, why are you?
Speaker 3: What's the same question in answer every day.
Speaker 6: I feel like because I asked when a brother tells
Speaker 6: me it's the boy Trump, or even I asked why,
Speaker 6: I really want to know.
Speaker 8: So I don't think that's a bad question.
Speaker 3: That people don't listen.
Speaker 2: Though, like you said, you said, and you said to
Speaker 2: you said, people always say Trump put money in my pocket.
Speaker 2: Right now, people have confirmed said it a million times
Speaker 2: that money didn't come from Trump. He just signed his
Speaker 2: name on it. And everybody's played it a million one times.
Speaker 2: But people hear what they want to hear.
Speaker 7: But not only did he not sign it, he tried
Speaker 7: not to give it to folks. His entire party was
Speaker 7: trying to block it. If you're really really going to
Speaker 7: get to the bottom line, And I'm not even like
Speaker 7: a huge Nancy I'm not a Nancy Pelosi person. I
Speaker 7: got my reasons for that, but I can tell you
Speaker 7: that she was really leading the charge to move the
Speaker 7: entire Congress to vote for the stimulus package.
Speaker 4: That's it. That's what happened.
Speaker 7: So we can you know, we could throw all these
Speaker 7: other theories and conspiracies out there and concepts that are
Speaker 7: not facts. The facts are the Republicans did not want
Speaker 7: to give the stimulus money to y'all asks, okay, and
Speaker 7: there were other folks who had the fight to make
Speaker 7: it happen.
Speaker 1: So it's when it happened.
Speaker 5: Though, So when people think about how they feels.
Speaker 9: Been able to travel, been able to eat, and you
Speaker 9: remember how somebody made you.
Speaker 1: Feel, they were just in proximity to that moment.
Speaker 7: But can I just say, I hope that we also
Speaker 7: recognized that grandmamas had to die, grandfathers, families, ten twenty
Speaker 7: people had to die in order for that money to
Speaker 7: make it into your pocket. It's not like and I
Speaker 7: could see if Trump had a policy where they just
Speaker 7: decided we're about to give American citizens money that is
Speaker 7: not connected to a pandemic, then.
Speaker 4: You might have a different type of point. That is
Speaker 4: exactly that is not what happened.
Speaker 7: The money came because families and particularly our people were
Speaker 7: dying in the midst of a pandemic. Now you could
Speaker 7: say whatever you want, how you feel about the pandemic
Speaker 7: and vaccines and all of that. That's cool, but the
Speaker 7: reality is that people were dying.
Speaker 4: Hospitals were full, morgues were full.
Speaker 7: And that's why they had to find a way to
Speaker 7: put money into the pockets of American citizens. So, you know,
Speaker 7: as long as we talk about the facts, I'm cool
Speaker 7: with whatever decision you make in terms of who you
Speaker 7: want to vote for, because certainly no one will tell
Speaker 7: me who I should vote for, who I should support.
Speaker 7: But let's just make sure it's based in fact and
Speaker 7: not something that you just made up. And let me
Speaker 7: tell you, Trump is very very good at marketing.
Speaker 4: That's why he held those checks.
Speaker 7: So you could have had them a few weeks earlier,
Speaker 7: but you got them later because he wanted his name
Speaker 7: on those checks. So when you open it up, you
Speaker 7: can look at it and say, Donald Trump is a response.
Speaker 1: And you still think that now, well, you.
Speaker 9: Said you guys were having conversations with men like I
Speaker 9: feel like people are not listening to Kamala. It's like
Speaker 9: the people that I talked to, they say they're vot
Speaker 9: for Trump. The stuff that they're saying, I'm like, she
Speaker 9: literally she's speaking to that. So why don't you see
Speaker 9: it or hear from her? What can she do better
Speaker 9: strategy wise or marketing wise to kind of make black
Speaker 9: men be like hold.
Speaker 7: On, Democrats do a terrible job at marketing themselves. I
Speaker 7: mean it's really bad. Like you know, it's just, you know,
Speaker 7: they have to do a better job of putting out
Speaker 7: there the things that they've been able to do. I
Speaker 7: was just looking, you know, before coming here at the
Speaker 7: Safest Community Act.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 7: This is billions of dollars that they have allocated to
Speaker 7: grassroots organizations and others that are in the gun violence
Speaker 7: prevention space and in the community safety space. Right, you
Speaker 7: would never know that, You would never know that it
Speaker 7: happened because they do a terrible job. But also they
Speaker 7: just do a messaging and by the way, let me
Speaker 7: just be honest, I do a terrible job at it
Speaker 7: as well. We do a lot of work and we
Speaker 7: hardly tell people about all the things that we're involved.
Speaker 7: And people say to me all the time, like why,
Speaker 7: because sometimes when your head is down and you're doing
Speaker 7: the work, you forget about the mar marketing component. And
Speaker 7: a lot of us don't even want the clickbait of
Speaker 7: it all, like nobody wants to sit there and may
Speaker 7: sometimes I get so frustrated because I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 7: left my comments section open and it's gone, Wow, it's
Speaker 7: two thousand comments in there. And the Trump trolls and
Speaker 7: or Trump people supporters, they're in my comments.
Speaker 4: Whatever they're talking points, they in on it.
Speaker 7: But looking out for the people who are supposed to
Speaker 7: be on the more liberal progressive side to come in
Speaker 7: there is very difficult, Like it's always in balance. So
Speaker 7: we have to find a better way to get the
Speaker 7: information out about what is happening.
Speaker 4: But I would say that trust and believe.
Speaker 7: As I left the house this morning, they were on
Speaker 7: CNN talking about the vice president sitting down for interviews.
Speaker 7: This is something that she's going to have to do,
Speaker 7: which I'm sure they're working on, and she's gonna have
Speaker 7: to break down because they are gonna question her like
Speaker 7: they have never questioned a presidential candidate before in life,
Speaker 7: and she's gonna have to answer the question.
Speaker 6: It's not just because you know, she's a woman. It's
Speaker 6: really because the way she got the nomination. That's the
Speaker 6: thing that's very unprecedented that people are not factoring in
Speaker 6: like seventy days to an election.
Speaker 8: She became the candidate with one hundred days.
Speaker 7: Well, I saw someone write a loved one wrote a
Speaker 7: post saying we didn't get it to vote because of
Speaker 7: course there was no primary, and they said, you know,
Speaker 7: this is unfair. They disappointed her and there was no process,
Speaker 7: And I'm like, a lot of it is misinformation, right,
Speaker 7: or just lack of information, because there is a process,
Speaker 7: and the process is that if you're running for president
Speaker 7: right now and you decide you're too sick, too old
Speaker 7: to or just don't want to do it anymore, and
Speaker 7: you decide to step away, there are what you call delegates,
Speaker 7: And this is why we have to vote in every
Speaker 7: election because when you turn that ballot over, there's a
Speaker 7: bunch of stuff on there that is not just the
Speaker 7: president or your congressional members or whatever. They have things
Speaker 7: on the ballot that apply to your everyday life. We
Speaker 7: vote to send delegates to the convention to represent us,
Speaker 7: and the delegates had the people also DJMB, anybody in
Speaker 7: here could have said in this process, I want to be,
Speaker 7: I want to be, I want to go. I have
Speaker 7: my delegate count I got enough to get on the
Speaker 7: nomination list, right, and then they would have had to
Speaker 7: vote on those individuals. The delegates didn't do so they
Speaker 7: decided to support Kamala Harris, of course, because President Biden
Speaker 7: had already endorsed her and so many people got behind
Speaker 7: to I get it.
Speaker 4: Now you can say I don't like that process.
Speaker 7: I don't like the way, and just like we don't
Speaker 7: like the fact that this two party process is the
Speaker 7: only way that we can vote and decide on democracy
Speaker 7: or not.
Speaker 4: Like we don't like that.
Speaker 7: We know that there needs to be other avenues and
Speaker 7: other individuals that are seriously like they have the ability
Speaker 7: to win, that we can choose from. But if you
Speaker 7: don't like the process, you have to participate in it.
Speaker 7: So you have to show up and be like, who
Speaker 7: is this delegate? Because I want you to represent me,
Speaker 7: and I didn't want you to vote for Kamala Harris,
Speaker 7: So now let me what's your name. One of the
Speaker 7: biggest things that happened to us while we were in
Speaker 7: Kentucky with Brianna Taylor is.
Speaker 4: You know, people walking up to us going or for
Speaker 4: Breonna Taylor. Excuse me.
Speaker 7: People were walking around saying, well, who is Daniel Cameron,
Speaker 7: Like he's the attorney general. They were like, I didn't
Speaker 7: vote for trying when is that election? So we can
Speaker 7: and we transformed. We helped people along with the local
Speaker 7: community to transform the minds of our.
Speaker 4: People to pay attention.
Speaker 7: So by the time he ran for governor, black folks
Speaker 7: was like, oh wait, oh that's that dude. Oh okay,
Speaker 7: you're not going You're not getting appointed to a new
Speaker 7: position and getting a promotion.
Speaker 4: We shutting you down.
Speaker 5: But you're saying something important about the political political education.
Speaker 5: Going to the DNC, which some of us had the
Speaker 5: ability to do, you learn so much about the process
Speaker 5: and going for many years, you understand how the process works.
Speaker 1: You know the people.
Speaker 5: Most Americans have no access to that. So because of that,
Speaker 5: they become disenchanted with the political process. They feel like
Speaker 5: they don't have any saying it. We didn't participate, and
Speaker 5: they don't realize there's a way for you to be engaged.
Speaker 5: And that's why even going to the DNC this year,
Speaker 5: while I don't agree with many things, I understand it's
Speaker 5: an important part of political education and I would like
Speaker 5: more people to see that be a part of it,
Speaker 5: watch it in a more intimate way because that will
Speaker 5: enhance civic engagement, which just isn't voting, but it's this piece,
Speaker 5: how do I get involved in who the delegates are
Speaker 5: who make important decisions for the party. I think that's
Speaker 5: a huge piece missing from the American political experience.
Speaker 1: But part of that is on purpose.
Speaker 5: Because parties know if you keep people politically uneducated, you
Speaker 5: will keep them not civically engaged, and then they won't
Speaker 5: vote and others could win. So I think we have
Speaker 5: to shift and do a better job of that. But
Speaker 5: we're also in a moment where people are very politically disenchanted,
Speaker 5: where they feel like the political process doesn't serve them,
Speaker 5: doesn't work for them, people don't care about them, and
Speaker 5: I think that's the issue that the Vice president is
Speaker 5: running into and why Michelle Obama resonated so much with
Speaker 5: people because she's not a political person, but she's talking
Speaker 5: to people's values and the realities they experience. So I
Speaker 5: think she has to pivot and do that more, and
Speaker 5: I think she'll reach a wider cross section of America.
Speaker 5: But I think democracy in America has to change where
Speaker 5: more people can be politically engaged to understand what the
Speaker 5: process is and not to feel left.
Speaker 7: And if your political education is coming from Instagram, it
Speaker 7: can be kind of man, I mean, it could be dangerous, so,
Speaker 7: you know, and you know, unfortunately, I mean fortunately for
Speaker 7: someone like me, I grew up in a household that
Speaker 7: was all about black empowerment. It was about learning the process,
Speaker 7: going to the precinct council meetings to see who the
Speaker 7: police offices were. But my neighbors, people who live right
Speaker 7: there in the building, they didn't get to do that.
Speaker 7: They didn't get those same experiences. And you can see
Speaker 7: the difference, you know. So it's our job to teach,
Speaker 7: and which we are doing with our Project Freedom, which
Speaker 7: we want to talk about, you know, making sure because
Speaker 7: one thing I will say is I want to give
Speaker 7: our people credit for the fact that even though we
Speaker 7: may not have been properly educated folks are trying to
Speaker 7: find out. So whatever way, wherever they're going, whether they
Speaker 7: get the right information or not, they're like, some is
Speaker 7: not right, Like.
Speaker 4: There's a fly in the buttermilk. We got it, this
Speaker 4: is not. I'm not feeling this.
Speaker 7: And that's partially because I don't care how many times
Speaker 7: the Biden administration says, well, we've cut child poverty in half,
Speaker 7: and we did.
Speaker 4: We brought down prices.
Speaker 7: If that's fine, but the people that we work with,
Speaker 7: they're still in poverty. Right, they're not feeling that they
Speaker 7: have to be able to feel it. So however, they're
Speaker 7: getting educated. At least they're coming to the process. And
Speaker 7: I think it's our responsibility because I hear people saying, well,
Speaker 7: what's our agenda, and we want to make sure, which
Speaker 7: we have done by putting together Project Freedom, which is
Speaker 7: a growing living document that really kind of looks at
Speaker 7: many of the legislative items that have been hanging out
Speaker 7: there for years, like people have been putting forth bills.
Speaker 7: And in fact, one of the reasons why I support
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris is because I know about the things that
Speaker 7: she was doing while she was in the Senate, and
Speaker 7: you know, before she became president. I know about bills
Speaker 7: that she co sponsored, bills that she signed that she
Speaker 7: helped write, the George Floyd Justison Police and Act when
Speaker 7: it included ending qualified immunity, which means.
Speaker 4: That you could go after an officer directly.
Speaker 7: Like, these are things that she's been involved in supporting
Speaker 7: the study for reper I don't know why people keep
Speaker 7: saying that the woman is not for reparations. I have
Speaker 7: heard her say over and over again. I don't understand them.
Speaker 7: She said she supports it. The thing is, there are
Speaker 7: many different people out here that see reparations differently.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: There are people you got the uh the eight, which
Speaker 7: is the American descendants of slaves. They have their concept
Speaker 7: of the fact that reparations should only be going to
Speaker 7: people who come who are American citizens. Then you have
Speaker 7: people who come from a more of a mindset of
Speaker 7: the diaspora, which includes people from all over the world
Speaker 7: globally who are black or African receiving reparations. I fall
Speaker 7: in that category because this is how I was raised.
Speaker 7: Doctor ben Benjamin Johaka and others who taught us about
Speaker 7: reparations from a global perspective that we must see Africans
Speaker 7: around the world as part of our liberation. And so
Speaker 7: there are different people who have different concepts. And in
Speaker 7: her mind she said, you know something about like checks.
Speaker 7: She didn't think that you could just give people cash
Speaker 7: and let that be the end.
Speaker 4: There has to be a study that.
Speaker 7: You couldn't you can't some people feel that's all it
Speaker 7: should be. So there's what you call a meeting of
Speaker 7: the minds. But just because I'm might be in the
Speaker 7: atos that pot or this or that, that doesn't mean
Speaker 7: I don't support reparations.
Speaker 8: How we do it. What I'm that clip to day, what.
Speaker 5: The people also want to see. There's another piece and
Speaker 5: we see this all the time when you do policy,
Speaker 5: there's an implementation piece. So people like to hear you
Speaker 5: care about an issue, but how are you going to
Speaker 5: make an issue happen? Because we care about many things,
Speaker 5: But what are you going to make actually happen? And
Speaker 5: how are you going to do So it's part of
Speaker 5: what's behind I don't know if you support it, because
Speaker 5: it's like saying in your household, I support my children
Speaker 5: eating right, but you buy junk food. It's like your
Speaker 5: actions have to show how you actually support it. And
Speaker 5: a lot of people's questioning is coming from a place
Speaker 5: that says, you're saying this, but you're doing that, You're
Speaker 5: not prioritizing the things you say you support. So that's another,
Speaker 5: I think level of political accountability. And people may not
Speaker 5: be asking the right question, but they're really saying, so
Speaker 5: you say you support rep, tell me how, and now
Speaker 5: show me how and a timeline in which you're going
Speaker 5: to implement it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what folks want to say.
Speaker 6: Yes, so talk about project for you comin just need
Speaker 6: to tell these niggas what they want to hear.
Speaker 3: Say anything.
Speaker 8: Everybody else.
Speaker 5: The Democrats traditionally, and I think some of us politically
Speaker 5: try to have a standard where we don't just lie
Speaker 5: because we could say we're going to do all the
Speaker 5: things you want and say all the right things, but
Speaker 5: on the back end.
Speaker 1: You'll suffer because you don't really deliver them.
Speaker 4: Well, if you don't have a Congress that supports.
Speaker 1: You, then you can't implement it to begin with.
Speaker 8: Right now, what's our project freedom?
Speaker 5: So I'm going to read a few of the things
Speaker 5: on Project Freedom, and one of the things I'll say
Speaker 5: before I even do that is project freedom on some
Speaker 5: level was a response to Project twenty twenty five. So
Speaker 5: folks started to hear a lot about this plan to
Speaker 5: roll back rights to attack particular groups. And part of
Speaker 5: what we said is that we wanted to respond to
Speaker 5: that because we're knowing to we're an.
Speaker 1: Important political moment.
Speaker 5: But also Project Freedom is a political platform or policy
Speaker 5: that we said we would like to see whoever comes
Speaker 5: into office a DoPT because there are certain things that
Speaker 5: we know are important that should happen. Some of those
Speaker 5: things are an end to gun violence, endto mass incarceration,
Speaker 5: end of police brutality, strengthening and pass the George Floyd
Speaker 5: Justice and Policing Act, providing a pathway to citizenship, ending
Speaker 5: the war in Palestine and Sudan, protecting black history, provide
Speaker 5: a reparations for slavery, offer free college and trade school,
Speaker 5: Cancel student debt, Pastor John Lewis Voter Rights Act, launch
Speaker 5: automatic voter registration, restore individuals voting rights, reform the Supreme Court,
Speaker 5: expand child tax credits, and provide guaranteed annual income. So
Speaker 5: it's a lot of things in there, but part of
Speaker 5: what we're trying to convey to folks is that it
Speaker 5: isn't enough to just have one policy, but you must
Speaker 5: really have a political platform someone can adopt that creates
Speaker 5: wide and sweeping changes. The other pieces that we know
Speaker 5: a lot of these issues are connected, and how you
Speaker 5: spend your money in one place will tell us how
Speaker 5: you can spend or can spend money in other places.
Speaker 5: So we're trying to provide a comprehensive platform that one
Speaker 5: creates political education, but also a standard that we can
Speaker 5: hold folks will come in to us.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 6: I was talking about guy Gary Chambers Junior yesterday and
Speaker 6: he was saying, you know, one of the mistakes that
Speaker 6: folks make, they'll ask questions, what have you done over
Speaker 6: the last three and a half years, four years? He said,
Speaker 6: instead of asking those questions, you should be just going
Speaker 6: through them saying, hey, this is what you should be doing.
Speaker 6: Here's the agenda that we want.
Speaker 8: You to ask implement.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and Project Freedom is important to us because we
Speaker 7: know as we travel this country, we're going to be
Speaker 7: out there knocking on doors.
Speaker 4: We knock on doors all year.
Speaker 7: Round, So this is not like we do a thing
Speaker 7: that happens when it's a presidential election or some political
Speaker 7: person that we want to get in or take out
Speaker 7: do We do it all the time. We are always
Speaker 7: engaging our people, and when we're knocking on doors, people
Speaker 7: don't want to they hear you. They know Project twenty
Speaker 7: twenty five is bad. They understand it. They've seen on
Speaker 7: the news. They Grandmama's talking about it. People what do
Speaker 7: they call it? It's called it's you know, black folks
Speaker 7: go Shore. Is some project twenty five.
Speaker 4: We don't say.
Speaker 7: Twenty five, that project twenty twenty. Excuse me, project twenty five.
Speaker 7: And so people know that, but they are gonna ask you,
Speaker 7: and they should.
Speaker 4: What do we have.
Speaker 7: You're in the room with these people to meet Mallory, Angelo, Pino, Mysan, Linda,
Speaker 7: y'all have talked to these people. What are you offering?
Speaker 7: What are you demanding? What are you asking for? And
Speaker 7: we wanted to make sure along with our partners. I
Speaker 7: have to mention Michael Blake, Reverend Stephen Green, Pastor Michael McBride,
Speaker 7: Dewana Thompson, of course, our sister Linda Sarsore. This platform
Speaker 7: is something that all of us have worked on because
Speaker 7: we've been doing this work and we know the legislative
Speaker 7: items that are already out there that could help to
Speaker 7: alleviate some of the suffering that our communities are talking about.
Speaker 4: We know how they can be strengthened.
Speaker 7: We understand that passing and George Floyd justicson Police and
Speaker 7: Act as it currently stands will not work because of
Speaker 7: one it has been watered down so much in order
Speaker 7: to appease the Republicans who never signed it anyway, So
Speaker 7: I have no idea. Corey Booker, Senator Corey Booker was
Speaker 7: working with Senator Tim Scott, and every day we were all,
Speaker 7: you know, advocating for what we wanted to be in
Speaker 7: the bill, and they kept saying that Tim Scott had
Speaker 7: this idea or he you know, he's trying to you know,
Speaker 7: make the bills this way or that way in order
Speaker 7: to appease the Republican leadership. And I kept saying, Tim
Speaker 7: Scott cannot get anything done if white people don't tell
Speaker 7: him what to do. So let's stop like it's a
Speaker 7: game that's being played. And of course the bill fell through,
Speaker 7: and it has sort of been dead since, you know,
Speaker 7: you know, since we were out there in twenty twenty one. Now,
Speaker 7: President Biden did sign an executive order, but what we
Speaker 7: know about executive order is they only last to the
Speaker 7: extent that the next administration wants to keep that legislation
Speaker 7: and it only focused on federal legislation. We need to
Speaker 7: get things happening in these states and we have to
Speaker 7: be able to hold these police departments accountable. Let me
Speaker 7: just say this last thing. You know, last last week,
Speaker 7: we people were heartbroken to see that there has been
Speaker 7: yet another setback in the case of the killing of
Speaker 7: Breonna Tailor. And so there's two charges, two federal charges
Speaker 7: that the judge dismissed. And of course they continuously blame
Speaker 7: Kenny Walker, which is disrespectful and disingenuous because nobody in
Speaker 7: that building heard the police officers announce themselves and to
Speaker 7: say who they were at the door. And I don't
Speaker 7: know where these other people live, but I know in
Speaker 7: black people's homes, if you knock on the door and
Speaker 7: don't say who you are, when we say who it is.
Speaker 4: We're not opening the door for you.
Speaker 9: In fact, we're finna get quiet, move around, try to
Speaker 9: make sure we're out the way of the door.
Speaker 4: That's what we do. That's what they did.
Speaker 7: But also in the state of Kentucky, these people pass
Speaker 7: laws and then they get mad at you for following it,
Speaker 7: you are allowed to fire a warning shot inside of
Speaker 7: your home if you feel in danger.
Speaker 4: That is what Kenny Walker did. He did nothing wrong.
Speaker 7: So we saw the setback where this eighty year old
Speaker 7: conservative judge dismissed these two charges, which are again the
Speaker 7: federal charges, which would have been felonies. Right, they're still
Speaker 7: charges that those officers are facing.
Speaker 4: But it took him two years.
Speaker 7: And for whatever reason they decide to announce this the
Speaker 7: day after the DNC maybe this conspiracy, I don't know,
Speaker 7: but it's just very interesting it took him two years.
Speaker 7: What I want people to understand why we sit up
Speaker 7: here and debate whether or not is Trump and this
Speaker 7: and that. The reason why there are even charges against
Speaker 7: these officers at all is because President Biden also selected
Speaker 7: Christen Clark, who is the head of the Civil Rights
Speaker 7: Division within the Department of Justice, and because of her work,
Speaker 7: we have seen a number of officers tried and prosecuted
Speaker 7: and convicted. It will not happen under a Trump presidency.
Speaker 7: Not because I think that, right, because drawn this new
Speaker 7: thing online is that anybody who supports the Democrats, or
Speaker 7: supports Kamala Harris, or you know, even when at the
Speaker 7: point that people were saying we were potentially voting for
Speaker 7: Joe Biden, which God blessed, I don't have to do that,
Speaker 7: Thank God, I don't have.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 7: But even you know, during that time, one of the
Speaker 7: things that I keep hearing, and it has been said
Speaker 7: to me by a number of black men Charlemagne, Oh,
Speaker 7: you guys don't think critically and objectively. You can't think
Speaker 7: for yourself. No, I'm thinking for myself.
Speaker 8: Heard that.
Speaker 9: They said it all the time, and it's very disturct.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I've been sitting here.
Speaker 9: I've been sitting here waiting to ask you about Brionna
Speaker 9: Taylor because for me, like I've been studying, I've been
Speaker 9: I've been reported on this case since it first like
Speaker 9: started having a conversation, and people have continuously said if
Speaker 9: there were video, things would be different. And now we're
Speaker 9: here right where the charges are being dropped and like
Speaker 9: there probably have to be an a pill which is
Speaker 9: going to stress things out, which is like heartbreaking for
Speaker 9: the family. I feel like it's a public trust thing now,
Speaker 9: Like do you feel like this is going to shake
Speaker 9: public trust even when it comes to like Coammala, because
Speaker 9: people are gonna be looking at her like, I mean,
Speaker 9: you're a black woman now, like we don't. We don't
Speaker 9: have the luxury to say, well, Biden, he's there, but
Speaker 9: he kind of he does what he can do, but
Speaker 9: he doesn't get it well, I mean, by.
Speaker 4: The way it is.
Speaker 7: And I think that was one of the things that
Speaker 7: was missing from her speech. Again, I feel like she
Speaker 7: should have named Brionna Taylor Sonia Massy.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: On other issues, she was very, very strong, and I
Speaker 7: would like to see the same energy around police accountability.
Speaker 7: And I know there are some of my people, especially
Speaker 7: my elders, who will be like, well, you know, that
Speaker 7: may not have been the time or place, and we
Speaker 7: debate that, but they always say it's not the time
Speaker 7: or place and we have to wait until and it's
Speaker 7: gonna happen later.
Speaker 6: They said that in twenty twenty, had her debate because
Speaker 6: I was listening to an old podcast meet BOOKAR and
Speaker 6: W and K williamsday and that's one of the things
Speaker 6: that every brought up. She wished she had spoken to
Speaker 6: Brionna Taylor Moore because I guess it came up during
Speaker 6: the Mike Pinch debate. I forgot what the context was.
Speaker 7: Absolutely so I think that that should have happened. But
Speaker 7: I just want to say, to drill down this point.
Speaker 7: I don't It's not that I'm not thinking objectively about
Speaker 7: what Trump can do, or that I'm listening to some
Speaker 7: you know, misinformation on the internet. I'm telling you about
Speaker 7: what was happening when he was president. When he was
Speaker 7: president what's his name, Barr, the former attorney William Barr,
Speaker 7: William Barr, the attorney general at the time. Not only
Speaker 7: did he dismantle all the work that President Obama was
Speaker 7: doing to put these police departments under fire for violating
Speaker 7: the civil rights of citizens, and because the consent decrees
Speaker 7: and the work that they were doing, they were seriously
Speaker 7: challenging police departments. And Christian Kark has started that back again.
Speaker 7: She's doing that work around the country. I think Kansas.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's a bunch of places to get a
Speaker 7: lot of consent degrees, which is very important because it
Speaker 7: puts us as citizens on notice and the police department,
Speaker 7: and we want to see it strengthen more because we
Speaker 7: wanted to be tied to federal funding.
Speaker 9: There is some of that now, but it could be more.
Speaker 9: But not only did he dismantle all of that work.
Speaker 7: He also created the Black Identity Extremists List right, which
Speaker 7: many of us are pretty sure we were on, which
Speaker 7: they were pretty much targeting and surveilling activists and people
Speaker 7: who talk black and speak truth to power. So it's
Speaker 7: not that I'm not smart to understand or I can't
Speaker 7: think objectively.
Speaker 4: Nah, I can see what you did.
Speaker 7: And I know there is a difference between a president
Speaker 7: who I may disagree with on a number of things,
Speaker 7: who decided to put black women in positions where they
Speaker 7: are actually getting things done. Katanji Brown, She unfortunately is
Speaker 7: outnumbered in the Supreme Court, but she and Sonya so
Speaker 7: to Mayor, these.
Speaker 9: People are voting in the opposite direction to try to
Speaker 9: protect American citizens.
Speaker 4: Okay, the people that Trump appointed to.
Speaker 7: The court are voting in the opposite direction to take
Speaker 7: away our rights and our freedoms.
Speaker 4: So please stop.
Speaker 9: Trying to diminish our understanding of this political moment to
Speaker 9: us just being democratic shills and we just have drunk
Speaker 9: the kool aid.
Speaker 4: No, I'm paying attention to what's happening.
Speaker 7: And for people like Angelo in me if under a
Speaker 7: Trump presidency, especially in this moment, knowing that he has
Speaker 7: this venom in him, and you know he has this
Speaker 7: venom in him also because he has to face a
Speaker 7: black woman on the stage and you see him trying
Speaker 7: to wiggle out of that. You don't want that they
Speaker 7: will put us in jail.
Speaker 6: Can you speak to Donald Trump saying he pledges to
Speaker 6: give cops community from prosecution.
Speaker 4: I mean, these are the things. This is the thing
Speaker 4: he's saying.
Speaker 1: What I got about.
Speaker 4: They already had damn near immunity.
Speaker 7: And you said you asked about you know what happens
Speaker 7: now and if there was a video, But there's actual
Speaker 7: admission the one of the offices.
Speaker 4: She said, we met in the.
Speaker 9: Garage and made up a story and this happened, and
Speaker 9: that the case was so crazy. I remember when I
Speaker 9: was reporting this because the newsroom ice Worcord TMC, so
Speaker 9: that newsroom is like it was just me on the
Speaker 9: news desk, right, and they couldn't believe that police would
Speaker 9: falsify a document. And like I remember the day when
Speaker 9: that came out that it happened. I swear we had
Speaker 9: a very long conversation and I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 9: where y'all from, but where I'm from, that's normal. Like
Speaker 9: it it's me the one that is the famous quote
Speaker 9: the ones that write the reports. I have go look
Speaker 9: it up because it basically is saying that the same
Speaker 9: people who write the reports are doing the killing, and
Speaker 9: they're the ones that they're supposed to police themselves.
Speaker 4: And so I mean immunity those that'sos to affect society.
Speaker 9: But I feel like in this case, it's like they're missing,
Speaker 9: like that doesn't matter. It's like, oh, well, we're gonna
Speaker 9: blame it over here. But it's like, you guys wouldn't
Speaker 9: even have been in the house had you not done
Speaker 9: everything you did to illegally enter the home.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, and so immunity is already there. But when he
Speaker 7: says full immunity from prosecution. I don't know if you
Speaker 7: watched it in.
Speaker 4: A BJ interviews.
Speaker 7: Okay, so there's a moment when he's asked about Sonia
Speaker 7: Massy and he does this physical thing. I'm telling you
Speaker 7: Trump is a very very dangerous man. He does this
Speaker 7: thing with his hands. He says, oh, you're talking about
Speaker 7: the case with the water, Like he does this, in
Speaker 7: other words, to signal to people he's gonna throw the water.
Speaker 7: And he did that intentionally because it puts a message
Speaker 7: into people's minds that maybe she was threatening to the officer,
Speaker 7: which we know did not happen.
Speaker 4: These are the excuses that they come up with.
Speaker 7: And then it was days later that the officers started saying, well,
Speaker 7: I felt like her words and the water I was.
Speaker 9: It was, you know, so these people I'm not I'm
Speaker 9: not here. Actually I wish that for me personally.
Speaker 7: If I could make a decision, I would vote for
Speaker 7: Cornell West right, That's just me. I would absolutely be
Speaker 7: with Cornell because Cornell has been with us in the trenches.
Speaker 3: Vote with Cornell Oma.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I would vote think.
Speaker 9: Us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying a lot.
Speaker 7: I'm saying yeah, I would vote for him if I
Speaker 7: had an opportunity. And I'm not talking about race. I mean,
Speaker 7: excuse me, gender. Let's take away whether they're a female,
Speaker 7: male or any of that, because obviously, first of all,
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris is my sorority sister, were both aka's and
Speaker 7: I'm definitely that is one motivating factor for me, and
Speaker 7: I don't care who doesn't like it, because that's what
Speaker 7: and the divine.
Speaker 5: Nine we support.
Speaker 7: We support one another, and then we take you to
Speaker 7: the side and pull your coattail. What we feel that's something,
Speaker 7: but we support one another first, So absolutely, from a
Speaker 7: female from a gender perspective, absolutely. However, if we're talking
Speaker 7: about just looking at platforms and understanding people's political courage,
Speaker 7: what they will do and say, we know who Cornell
Speaker 7: West is.
Speaker 4: So if I had to make a decision today and
Speaker 4: it would and I could really really ensure that Cornell
Speaker 4: West wins, of course I would support him. But we
Speaker 4: know good and well that.
Speaker 7: This country is not set up for a third party
Speaker 7: to really ascend and win. I don't have time my
Speaker 7: black son and my granddaughter being able to make decisions
Speaker 7: on behalf of her body. Unfortunately, in these seventy days,
Speaker 7: I don't have time to go messing around saying that
Speaker 7: I'm gonna vote with somebody who I know does not
Speaker 7: have the ability to win. I have to block Trump
Speaker 7: from becoming president. What I will say, though, is that
Speaker 7: I will make sure that I continue to work beginning
Speaker 7: November six, so after the election, when other people go home,
Speaker 7: we stay on the battlefield. Now, if we want to
Speaker 7: organize ourselves to have a real serious third party situation,
Speaker 7: I'm down let's do it. But if I come out
Speaker 7: and tell y'all, we don't wear Gucci no more because
Speaker 7: they came out with the blackface of sweater, or we
Speaker 7: don't support Nike anymore because they just canceled Kyrie's contract
Speaker 7: for nothing after the man or breed American Airlines threw
Speaker 7: me off the plane, and that every week is a
Speaker 7: different situation and people just black people just went back
Speaker 7: on the plane, black people still wearing Nike. If we're
Speaker 7: gonna be serious and discipline, don't come at me because
Speaker 7: I'm making a decision on behalf of my family, my body,
Speaker 7: my ability to choose for myself what to do with
Speaker 7: my health, me personally knowing that I am on the
Speaker 7: Black Identity Extremists list and I could be in jail
Speaker 7: under a Trump presidency. Let's get organized, Let's stop using
Speaker 7: social media to fight and harm one another and sit
Speaker 7: down at the table and have somebody like Cornell West
Speaker 7: who can help us. Do I think that Kamala Harris
Speaker 7: could be a great president. I truly believe that, And
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be there every day if I got to
Speaker 7: use my divine nine hat to get in, if I
Speaker 7: got to beg to get in, because I'm going to
Speaker 7: Charlemagne and say, give me a ticket, so I can
Speaker 7: embarrass you and go on and start yelling.
Speaker 6: Out, but I think there's I think there is going
Speaker 6: to be a seat at the table for activists like
Speaker 6: yourself and the Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4: I think so truly.
Speaker 7: I know Kamala Harris and and I have had conversation
Speaker 7: with her. I truly do believe that within her it's
Speaker 7: something different and that's what people are afraid of.
Speaker 4: And we know that because again we know where she
Speaker 4: was and who she aligned with.
Speaker 7: I can remember the great, beautiful, intelligent, brilliant Congresswoman Shila
Speaker 7: Jackson Lee speaking to Kamala's support of the reparations bill. Right, yes,
Speaker 7: it is a study, it is not yet actual reparations,
Speaker 7: but we know the process is what it is. And
Speaker 7: I like the process, but we got to be involved
Speaker 7: in it. So somebody like Shila Jackson Lee, if she
Speaker 7: comes to me and says, well, you know, Kamala Harris
Speaker 7: is with us, and she gives me a list of
Speaker 7: people who are supporting and then the list of folks
Speaker 7: who are not, that to me means something, right, because
Speaker 7: I trust her.
Speaker 4: I believe her.
Speaker 7: I believe someone who says, as a prosecutor, I am
Speaker 7: still willing to say that police officers need to be
Speaker 7: on their own, challenged and prosecuted and sued financially if
Speaker 7: they are going to violate the civil rights of citizens.
Speaker 7: I believe in that, so I want to see more.
Speaker 7: I did wish that she would speak to, you know,
Speaker 7: the issue of police accountability, particularly around women.
Speaker 4: And also I'm hoping, I'm praying that she really means
Speaker 4: and will do something to deal with the conflict of
Speaker 4: Israel Palestan and the war on the Palestinian people. I
Speaker 4: think it was a misstep. Well, you asked your question,
Speaker 4: and then I'll say.
Speaker 6: Well, I was gonna say, you know, from an activist standpoint,
Speaker 6: how much of an issue is Israel and gods are
Speaker 6: going to be in this year's election, because we saw
Speaker 6: all the uncommitted votes in the primary. So what are
Speaker 6: our activists and pro Palaestinian people going and doing November?
Speaker 6: And I was going to ask, how have you liked
Speaker 6: the VP's messaging thus far about it?
Speaker 7: Well, I've been down the road of, you know, dealing
Speaker 7: with the issue of Israel Palestine for lots of different reasons.
Speaker 7: My proximity to our proximity to Linda Sarsour who is
Speaker 7: our sister, our dear friend, who we pray for every day,
Speaker 7: because what she has experienced over the last year is unthinkable, unthinkable,
Speaker 7: watching her people perish and be starved to death, children,
Speaker 7: people calling her from like I'm sitting with her, and
Speaker 7: they calling from Gaza, like, help us do something because
Speaker 7: they believe in her.
Speaker 4: She's a leader.
Speaker 7: So why can't you fix this you over there in
Speaker 7: America her tax? Imagine that that your tax dollars as
Speaker 7: an American citizen.
Speaker 4: Is going to the death and destruction of your own people.
Speaker 4: It is terrible. And so you know, I know about this.
Speaker 7: I understand the APAC, you know the influence that they
Speaker 7: have on our government officials. I understand the ADL and
Speaker 7: the influence that they have. I get all of these things.
Speaker 7: So I know that for her to say what she's saying,
Speaker 7: it takes political courage. It is no joke for her
Speaker 7: to even speak in the ways in what she's speaking.
Speaker 7: And you know, you and I debated the Josh Shapiro Shapiro.
Speaker 4: Pick.
Speaker 7: You said that you know you know him well enough
Speaker 7: to know that he's a good guy. And I believe
Speaker 7: that because I heard that from a lot of people.
Speaker 7: You know, you know, a lot of people talk about
Speaker 7: the things that he's doing there in Pennsylvania, but I
Speaker 7: think that his statements around that issue is something that
Speaker 7: doesn't it can't align.
Speaker 4: And of course we do not know.
Speaker 7: Why she decided to pick Tim Wallas, although I believe
Speaker 7: it was a brilliant decision, which gives me already an
Speaker 7: idea of the way that she's thinking and her instincts.
Speaker 7: Because there were a lot of people pushing for Shapiro,
Speaker 7: but the attitude that he had and the words that
Speaker 7: he said about the war, and some people don't like
Speaker 7: to use the word war, So I will say the
Speaker 7: attack on the people in Gaza, the way in which
Speaker 7: he spoke about protesters and the students on the campuses
Speaker 7: let me know, or at least made me feel that
Speaker 7: it would be very difficult for her to have this
Speaker 7: particular concept for ceasefire and the direction that she wants
Speaker 7: to take, and then him really having a Zionist mindset,
Speaker 7: that those two things will be very difficult to work
Speaker 7: together because she already has to deal with within the
Speaker 7: administration the people who are going to be pulling in
Speaker 7: the direction of continuing to support Israel, no matter how
Speaker 7: it is operating and the illegal activities that they are
Speaker 7: involved in, right because we know as I listened to
Speaker 7: her speak, she said, well, you know, it is horrible
Speaker 7: what's happening to them, and so many lives lost, know,
Speaker 7: their lives being taken. They are people being killed, and
Speaker 7: we can't and it's hard to even be able to
Speaker 7: speak to it in that way.
Speaker 4: And I have to be honest, if you listen to
Speaker 4: what she said.
Speaker 7: She spoke to exactly what is happening to the Israeli
Speaker 7: citizens or what happened to them.
Speaker 4: Murder.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of debate around rape, we won't get
Speaker 7: into that today, but murder she talked about, you know,
Speaker 7: all of those things, the horrific actions of Hamasue. But
Speaker 7: then when it comes to the conversation around the Palestinians,
Speaker 7: it's almost like there's an earthquake that happened, or it's like,
Speaker 7: you know, it's so horrible what they are experiencing. So
Speaker 7: I understand the nuances of how difficult it is to
Speaker 7: talk about this, but the mere fact that she's saying
Speaker 7: anything at all, and she had a very strong posture,
Speaker 7: like you could hear the tone and the way in
Speaker 7: which she delivered that particular portion of her speech. You
Speaker 7: know that she also cannot stand to see children, innocent
Speaker 7: people dying the way that they are.
Speaker 4: And I believe that if.
Speaker 7: We continue to push the uncommitted folks are not going
Speaker 7: to stop organizing. People asking the question why at the
Speaker 7: DNC and not the RNC. It's precisely for what you said.
Speaker 7: These are generally Democratic voters. They are pressing their particular
Speaker 7: party that they were once or are part of to
Speaker 7: do something about genocide.
Speaker 4: So you know, so I know about that pressure. I
Speaker 4: know about it because I experienced it in the Women's March.
Speaker 4: I still experience it today. And look at Corey Bush
Speaker 4: and Jamal Bowman. These are two people who just lost their.
Speaker 9: Elections because of APAC and the organizing that they did.
Speaker 9: And let me say on this show publicly, there are
Speaker 9: black people who are a part of APAX operation and
Speaker 9: younger black people, some of them we know. So do
Speaker 9: not sit there and get in your mind that this
Speaker 9: is some group of white men that are some evil
Speaker 9: white men. Know there are black people on APAX payroll
Speaker 9: who are part of organizing to take out people who
Speaker 9: are speaking truth to power. It is no way that
Speaker 9: Corey Bush should have lost her election. As important as
Speaker 9: that woman is Jamal Bowman, somebody who has been speaking
Speaker 9: truth to power. You know, Jamal out there fighting in Washington,
Speaker 9: DC for us, and they have been taken out by
Speaker 9: people who will absolutely go.
Speaker 4: Along to get along within the system.
Speaker 5: And that's because and it's so important to connect all
Speaker 5: the dots of what we've been saying, because even Project
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, there was a plan, right, there's a
Speaker 5: plan to do these things. There's a plan to attack
Speaker 5: political folks who stand up for important issues. There's a
Speaker 5: plan to attack education. There's a plan to attack activists
Speaker 5: who hold politicians accountable. There's a plan to do these things.
Speaker 5: So if we don't have a plan to counter act,
Speaker 5: then we find ourselves in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1: And part of what's important for us and is what
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 5: I think people see us sometimes at the DNC and
Speaker 5: I got a lot of people say, oh, you support
Speaker 5: the Democrats.
Speaker 1: I say, I'm here working.
Speaker 5: We're doing what we do, which is holding these folks accountable.
Speaker 5: And I think one of the things we want to
Speaker 5: see in others, particularly the Palestinian delegations, they want to
Speaker 5: see and we have to make this happen.
Speaker 1: They want to see.
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris become more activists and how she moves and
Speaker 5: her political skits.
Speaker 6: She can't do that, she's a politician. Well, what politicians
Speaker 6: got to be politicians? Activists got to be acting well, I.
Speaker 1: Think politic you want to win.
Speaker 5: What politicians can take stances that become active in how
Speaker 5: they move politically. I was watching a documentary on Jimmy
Speaker 5: Carter and how activist he was around the environment, brokering
Speaker 5: peace across the world.
Speaker 1: I think politicians get to decide who they are.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump is a great example of a politician who
Speaker 5: decided I'm going to be completely unorthodox.
Speaker 8: And you think he decided.
Speaker 1: He's unorganized, But.
Speaker 5: I'm saying that resonated with people, and he has the
Speaker 5: ability to decide how he shows up. And I think
Speaker 5: people want her, and I think the excitement around her
Speaker 5: is that.
Speaker 1: People believe she will show up differently.
Speaker 5: But it's our responsibility, people who care about progressive issues,
Speaker 5: to make her show up in a way that's different
Speaker 5: than every president before, because I think if she doesn't,
Speaker 5: she will have.
Speaker 1: A hard future.
Speaker 5: We want her to succeed, but we want her to
Speaker 5: be different. We don't want the same kind of politician.
Speaker 5: We're not looking for a black woman to show up
Speaker 5: how white men show up. If that happens, we've done
Speaker 5: ourselves a disservice.
Speaker 6: I tell you, I feel like she's different. I feel
Speaker 6: like for me personally, maybe because I know her as well.
Speaker 6: This is the first time in a long time that
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm not voting for the lesser of
Speaker 6: two evils. I don't feel like I'm voting for evil
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't think she's I don't think she's evil.
Speaker 1: A lot of people aren't there.
Speaker 4: But I just would like to say.
Speaker 7: When you say that she has to be a politician
Speaker 7: and activists have to do one thing, just do for
Speaker 7: us what you say you're gonna do for Israel.
Speaker 4: You speak activisty because I swear when they get not
Speaker 4: just her.
Speaker 7: When these these elected officials get up and talk about Israel,
Speaker 7: they are strong on it. They say, I, you know,
Speaker 7: Israel has the right to defend itself, and we will
Speaker 7: support speak like that about black people.
Speaker 8: When it comes to the innocent women and men and.
Speaker 4: Children, absolutely speak like that the Palesinians.
Speaker 2: So what do you think the Democrats need to do
Speaker 2: to win this election. In Novemo, oh, they got to contemn.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you, do not translate excitement at a
Speaker 7: convention or even excitement about out, you know, her ascension
Speaker 7: to the top of the ticket to votes.
Speaker 4: Because you got to knock on doors.
Speaker 7: You have to go out and educate people, and you
Speaker 7: have to make sure that there is that there is
Speaker 7: resources on the ground, right, and we're not talking about
Speaker 7: on the ground, like there's some people that claim they
Speaker 7: on the ground, you know, like tangible, but we're talking
Speaker 7: about under the root. They say there's the grassroots, and
Speaker 7: then there's under the room. There's people, right, those people
Speaker 7: have to have the resources that they need to be
Speaker 7: able to knock on doors.
Speaker 4: You need credible messengers.
Speaker 7: This whole process of we gotta vet everything and everybody.
Speaker 7: And you know, if you had this issue or that,
Speaker 7: we got to stay away from you and we have
Speaker 7: to do that. You know, one day, I'll tell my
Speaker 7: story about what happened to me during the Stacy Abrams
Speaker 7: campaign and factice in my book right now, it's called
Speaker 7: I Live to Tell This Story and it's going to
Speaker 7: be released in the winter. And you know, I and
Speaker 7: and and and by the way, Stacey Abrams had nothing.
Speaker 4: To do with this.
Speaker 7: But I talk about me being held or told not
Speaker 7: to come to Georgia at all, don't even step foot
Speaker 7: in a state during the time in the last few
Speaker 7: days of her election, and the folks saying it to me.
Speaker 7: They really did have good intention, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: So I'll tell y'all not yet, not yet, but coming
Speaker 7: out that'll be in there. But the reason why I
Speaker 7: brought that up is because you know, oftentimes we sacrifice
Speaker 7: some of our people because we're so busy trying to
Speaker 7: appease these other folks.
Speaker 4: That's never gonna be with you.
Speaker 6: I don't think we have that luxury. We don't have
Speaker 6: the luxury of cutting any of our people.
Speaker 7: Can't bring everybody along. We'll bring Pooky red ray Tt.
Speaker 7: We always say, if you're not at the strip club, right.
Speaker 7: I remember one night I was in the strip club,
Speaker 7: and I think I may have told you this before.
Speaker 7: You might have said it on this don't let's not.
Speaker 7: I was in the strip club one night and this
Speaker 7: young sister was like, you know what, I know you.
Speaker 7: She went to her locker and came back with a
Speaker 7: folder and the folder had all the information in it
Speaker 7: on the union that they are working to establish for
Speaker 7: strippers like these are educated people, right, so you can't
Speaker 7: leave them behind because you don't like the way they
Speaker 7: look and you don't want to go to the corners
Speaker 7: where our brothers might be because those ain't your people,
Speaker 7: and those are not the type of people. If you're
Speaker 7: only talking to my mama and people who are in
Speaker 7: the churches and people who maybe you can knock on
Speaker 7: their doing their home. Some of our people don't even
Speaker 7: have an address, so you don't even know where to
Speaker 7: find them at, which means you got to engage them
Speaker 7: on the streets. That's what's going to help the Democrats
Speaker 7: win this election. So hopefully they do that. Hopefully they
Speaker 7: don't give the money to the same people that they
Speaker 7: always give money to and instead flip this thing. If
Speaker 7: we're going to be different, let's invest in people who
Speaker 7: never I know, organizations that never get a dime and
Speaker 7: they go out and do more work than these big
Speaker 7: organizations that get millions of dollars to go out and
Speaker 7: knock on doors and engage voters.
Speaker 4: That's not but the reason.
Speaker 7: Why these other folks miss Susie, who lives in the
Speaker 7: project somewhere in Louisiana. The reason why she knocks on
Speaker 7: the entire communities doors is because she understands her social security,
Speaker 7: the insulin, how much she got to pay for that,
Speaker 7: her grandchildren, their survival safety, public safety policing.
Speaker 4: She understands those issues.
Speaker 7: So in spite of the Democratic Party, she goes out
Speaker 7: and does work that she should be getting paid for.
Speaker 4: She should have resources in her.
Speaker 7: Community to do, but she does it out of necessity,
Speaker 7: and they keep allowing that to be like, they keep
Speaker 7: relying on that, and it is a dangerous thing, especially
Speaker 7: in this moment where at misinformation is at an all
Speaker 7: time high. So Miss Susie might be listening to them say,
Speaker 7: you know, she don't support reparations, right, and then what
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying, We don't want to allow
Speaker 7: people to fall into this place of feeling hopeless. Sure,
Speaker 7: we need people to feel like, you know what, we
Speaker 7: can continue to fight because we all got to live
Speaker 7: here together. So regardless of what, it doesn't matter who
Speaker 7: becomes president, who are going to live under their policy?
Speaker 1: And some people are excited now.
Speaker 5: I had a conversation with someone the other day talking
Speaker 5: about the difference between excitement and commitment, and a lot
Speaker 5: of folks are in Some folks are excited about a
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris presidency, but a lot of folks are not
Speaker 5: even excited yet. So I think part of the work
Speaker 5: is getting to all the places to raise excitement that
Speaker 5: this is something important, and not only that that it
Speaker 5: will make a difference in your life.
Speaker 6: I think it's three. Angel I agree with you. I
Speaker 6: think it's excitement, enthusiasm, contentment. But I was talking to
Speaker 6: one of my young home girls and I asked her,
Speaker 6: I said, are you excited or enthusias She said, I'm
Speaker 6: content with voting. That's deed White President Colin. I think
Speaker 6: that's a good place to be because it's one of
Speaker 6: those three, I believe.
Speaker 5: I think being content, though you're on the line and
Speaker 5: you could easily swing to I don't know about if
Speaker 5: I'm going to do this. And we were talking about this,
Speaker 5: I think we were in Chicago at Rainbow Push Coalition
Speaker 5: office that not only do you need to vote, you
Speaker 5: need a voting plan because some people are will say
Speaker 5: they're going to vote, or they've been encouraged to vote,
Speaker 5: but they don't have a voting plan, and a lack
Speaker 5: of excitement will make them go in another direction on
Speaker 5: that day. So we have to be and we know
Speaker 5: this very granular about how we make these things happening.
Speaker 5: Oftentimes you don't get to support from the big tent
Speaker 5: party to fund this work because we know we got
Speaker 5: to knock on doors. We have to talk to the folks.
Speaker 5: Nobody cares about the individuals who are on defence or
Speaker 5: who are behind the fence, ain't got nofense. We have
Speaker 5: to talk to all those folks to move them in
Speaker 5: a direction, not just because we want to see someone elected,
Speaker 5: but because we know it will change their life and
Speaker 5: if they don't do this, folks will die.
Speaker 6: And she has to she has to go out there
Speaker 6: and explain herself that everybody. She can't leave no stone
Speaker 6: unturned because the reality is they're going to need the
Speaker 6: largest voter turnout possible course to try to defeat voter suppression,
Speaker 6: because do you know, try to steal.
Speaker 4: That we are talking about. Look at that dread Scott thing.
Speaker 7: Yes, one of the Republican Factions, which is a group
Speaker 7: within the Republican Party saying that the dread Scott decision
Speaker 7: would make her not able to eligible to run for president.
Speaker 4: Because she wouldn't be a human like with three fifths.
Speaker 7: Human basically is still what the Constitution says about us.
Speaker 7: So it's a lot of things that need to be
Speaker 7: worked on because that's a real like part of why
Speaker 7: we have so much mass incarceration is because we are
Speaker 7: seen as three fifths and the election.
Speaker 5: It's interesting elections in America get stolen. Absolutely, this is
Speaker 5: voter suppression. This is a key tactic.
Speaker 1: He's got for some folks to win.
Speaker 8: It's hit Supreme Court. Yeah, that too, His Supreme Court
Speaker 8: is in his back pocket.
Speaker 6: You have all of these elected of ficerals that can
Speaker 6: refuse to certify the results of the election.
Speaker 5: Like it's going to be crazy, which means the odds
Speaker 5: are stacked against us. To get what we need. It
Speaker 5: means we have to be on the ground in ways
Speaker 5: that we never have before. But the other piece is this,
Speaker 5: the party is going to over rely on black folks absolutely,
Speaker 5: because black folks, black men and women come out. When
Speaker 5: we come out, we come out in numbers that change
Speaker 5: the election. It's happened with Obama and I think that
Speaker 5: was a reason why they pivoted to Kamala now because
Speaker 5: they know without black folks. They can't get it done, yea,
Speaker 5: So they're hoping that happens.
Speaker 4: Now I believe, well you still have.
Speaker 7: I mean, and I think they're going to try their
Speaker 7: best to appeal to white women who are concerned about
Speaker 7: their reproductive rights. You know, this is very Handmaid's tail ish, right,
Speaker 7: I mean it is.
Speaker 4: If you watched Handmaid's Tale. If you haven't, you check
Speaker 4: it out.
Speaker 7: That's what we're really looking at Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7: The feel of it is very Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7: I mean, excuse me, the feel of it is very
Speaker 7: Handmaid's tail ish, right, Like we're gonna have white men
Speaker 7: basically making decisions on behalf of all women and the
Speaker 7: white women and many times vote and help it happen.
Speaker 4: Because that's how Handmaid's Tale went down.
Speaker 7: The white women supported their husbands in taking over the
Speaker 7: nation and creating a space where basically there was the slaves,
Speaker 7: the enslaved individuals who were white, brown, and otherwise. To
Speaker 7: these white men, they became rulers. And that's what I
Speaker 7: hear when I'm reading Projects twenty twenty five when they
Speaker 7: start talking about restoring the family, it's like which family,
Speaker 7: which kind of family?
Speaker 4: Are you speaking about, you know.
Speaker 7: Being able to fire thousands of civil service employees who
Speaker 7: don't support the MAGA agenda? Like this is very they're
Speaker 7: very specific. People better read that Project twenty twenty five document.
Speaker 7: And so there are white women who understand when the
Speaker 7: President says a lot of folks keep saying, well, he's
Speaker 7: saying the states have the power to make the decision
Speaker 7: on abortion. That is the most dangerous proposition ever because
Speaker 7: if you have a Ron DeSantis governor, imagine what will
Speaker 7: happen to women in those states. You think these white
Speaker 7: women are not sitting around like are we doing that?
Speaker 7: I might not even like Kamala Harris, but I'm gonna
Speaker 7: be able to go on and slip to the abortion
Speaker 7: clinic if I need to, or go get my IVF right,
Speaker 7: which is important for them because if you're not ready
Speaker 7: to have children, you need another option. I have a
Speaker 7: lot of people who have used as you know now
Speaker 7: we're forty years old, forty four. I hear about IVF
Speaker 7: all the time from women across the spectrum. And Donald
Speaker 7: Trump would say, well, he doesn't support an ending IVF
Speaker 7: or or blocking women from having that option. The problem, though,
Speaker 7: is that when you hear the Project twenty twenty five coordinators,
Speaker 7: they are saying, for sure, quietly, remember last week they
Speaker 7: put out an interview where these two students went and
Speaker 7: they changed their identity and they snuck in to get
Speaker 7: an interview with one of the Project twenty twenty five creators,
Speaker 7: and he basically was saying, you know, they gotta distance
Speaker 7: themselves from us right now, but we're not worried about
Speaker 7: it because we have people around him who are working
Speaker 7: to make these things in reality, and we know we're
Speaker 7: going to push the plan.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be I don't even want the
Speaker 4: president where those are your friends. I don't even want
Speaker 4: your friends.
Speaker 7: To be the type all of people that work for
Speaker 7: you are folks that are part of writing a document
Speaker 7: like Project twenty twenty five. It's something wrong with you
Speaker 7: and your people. And I don't even want to have it.
Speaker 7: I don't want to take the chance that's okay, come
Speaker 7: back with some new friends.
Speaker 5: And the fact that that could be a political document
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four is outrageous, crazy, right. And I
Speaker 5: was talking to somebody and they were explaining it or
Speaker 5: comparing it to the twenty twenty four Willy Lynch papers,
Speaker 5: because it's an agenda or a plan to really attack
Speaker 5: black folks, brown folks, indigenous folks, and democracy as a whole.
Speaker 5: That's really what the document seeks to do. It's like
Speaker 5: it's a political document that says we're going to dismantle democracy.
Speaker 1: And that's okay, that should be mind blowing to.
Speaker 5: Us, but so much of us don't know exactly what's
Speaker 5: in the document and the attack on us.
Speaker 3: Well, how can people follow you and support you if
Speaker 3: need be?
Speaker 7: Well, first let me just say shout out to you,
Speaker 7: said Willy Lynch, and so shout out to my son
Speaker 7: who just did a response letter to the Willie Lynch letter.
Speaker 7: And so it's on this page you can listen to.
Speaker 7: It is obviously him speaking. And you know, I think
Speaker 7: that in this particular moment, it's going to take all
Speaker 7: different types of people to really help make the case
Speaker 7: for why it's not even about people and personalities, but
Speaker 7: the fact that we really do have to protect ourselves
Speaker 7: in this country.
Speaker 4: And that's what I'm all about.
Speaker 7: And so if you want to follow me, and by
Speaker 7: the way, let me go back and say my book
Speaker 7: name is I Live to tell this story. The cover
Speaker 7: is amazing it's about to drop. I'm really excited about
Speaker 7: it and this book.
Speaker 8: In the video, I love this turn to comutre around.
Speaker 7: But this book is not political. This book is not
Speaker 7: a political book. It is I mean, there is some
Speaker 7: political commentary you've been there. But this book is my memoir.
Speaker 7: It's about my life and that's why I say I
Speaker 7: live to tell this story and I hope that people
Speaker 7: will pick it up so that you can learn more
Speaker 7: about me outside of what you read online or even
Speaker 7: when you see me in the street. There's there's a
Speaker 7: lot of stuff about imposter syndrome and other things that
Speaker 7: I have been through in my life that have helped
Speaker 7: me come to this point. So make sure you guys
Speaker 7: stay with the journey for the new book. You can
Speaker 7: go to Atamika D. Mallory on Instagram, follow us until Freedom.
Speaker 7: We're on until freedom dot com. We're at until Freedom.
Speaker 7: And unfortunately, I'm one of those people that gets in
Speaker 7: the comments to cut your ass back out so.
Speaker 1: Someone might talk about your mama if you talk about us.
Speaker 7: I said it the other day. The man said you're
Speaker 7: an airhead. I said, me and your mama.
Speaker 1: All right, Well.
Speaker 2: It's to med Mallory Angelo Pinto. It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast
Speaker 3: Club