1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody, Welcome to Amy and TJ Presents. We 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: have been following one of the most salacious murder trials 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: we have ever witnessed. It has been dubbed the O 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Pair affair murders trial. It sounds catchy and maybe even 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: a little cutesy, but there is nothing about this trial 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: that is any of those things. This is as salacious 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: as they get. 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: Yes, and so, folks, Yes, we will focus on this 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: Amy and TJ Presents with the Brendan Banfield trial out 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: of Fairfax County, Virginia. Robes, this is one in which 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: it's exactly what it sounds like. There wasn an a 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: fair involving an old pair. It's almost a cliche at 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: this point. Old pair comes from Brazil, ends up in 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: an affair with the guy, and now it's who people 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 2: are dead. One of those is the wife of Brendan Banfield. 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: The other is an unsuspecting stranger who was lured to 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: the house that Brendan Banfield. According to authorities, Robes wanted 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: to frame him for the murder of the wife. Now 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 2: that's the short and quick, clean version. The details are 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: what make this thing unbelievable. 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: Yes, according to prosecutors Brendan Banfield, who by the way, 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: is a former IRS agent, but they claim he along 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: with his o pair. Her name is Juliana Perez Mahales. 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: She was only twenty twenty one at the time. The 25 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: prosecutors say that they conspired because they had started this affair. 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: They wanted to live happily ever after together, but he 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: needed to get rid of his wife. Prosecution said that 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: for Brendan Banfield, divorce was not an option because of 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: money and because of custody of his young daughter, and so, 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: according to them, they came up with a plan of 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: going onto a fetish website called Fetlife fetlife dot com. 32 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: I finally remember it. That's why I jumped in here. 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: You got excited. Did you check it out? Like you 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: said you were going to nervous? I don't want it 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: for you. 36 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want it on my computer either, just one 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: of those like let's not even go there. 38 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: But I am a little curious. 39 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: We've been talking about it a lot about this website. 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: But the plan was, according to prosecutors, that they posed 41 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: as Brendan's wife, Christine and said that she was looking 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: for a violent sexual experience where she wanted a man 43 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: to come to her home while she was pretend sleeping, 44 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: coming to the home with a knife, cut her clothes off, 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: rape her at knife point, and no matter how much 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: she said to stop or screamed, he should just keep going. 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: And they found a taker. 48 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: So those are just deep. Look, people are into their thing, 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: they do their thing, and knock yourself out for them. 50 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say, generally speaking, most people 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: can't relate to something like this and wanting something like this. 52 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: But hey, this guy Joseph Ryan, Joe Ryan, we've been 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: hearing a lot about, had nothing to do with any 54 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: of these people, wasn't connected to the family in any way. 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: He answered an ad on a website and ends up 56 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: dead and a part of the scheme, as they say now, 57 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: ropes a big part of this, Which is what's an 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: interesting factor here, according to the old pair who has testified, 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: is that it took them a little while to find 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: a take her. 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: Yes, because we are learning about how these fetish websites 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: or even just the fetish lifestyle works. 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: But there is safety and trust. 64 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: Involved, obviously, if you're asking someone to violently do something 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: to you to satisfy sexual needs. Most people have understanding 66 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: is that they meet in person first, they established trust, 67 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: basically connect and say even over coffee or a drink, Yeah, 68 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: here's what I want. 69 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: It sounds crazy, but it was explained to us by 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: an attorney who has dealt with a bunch of these 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: cases and her defends attorney career. There's a code to this, 72 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: there are rules to this that people in that community respect. 73 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: Yes, so unfortunate for Joseph Ryan. 74 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, he agreed to participate in this sexual 75 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: fantasy without meeting in person because every other person, according 76 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: to the O pair's testimony, who they tried to reach 77 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: out to, they were basically going on email and trying 78 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: to set up this scenario and several people said I'd 79 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: like to meet in person first, and then they're like 80 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: onto the next, onto the next, onto the next, until 81 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: they found Joe Ryan who said he would do this. 82 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 3: And the plan was, according. 83 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: To Juliana, that they found out or they knew when 84 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: his wife, Christine was off work. 85 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 3: She's a er nurse. 86 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: I mean, she's an intensive care pediatric nurse, and so 87 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: she obviously works crazy long hours and so there are 88 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: days where when she's off she sleeps late into the morning. 89 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: I understand she does overnight shifts, so they knew when 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: she was going to be asleep. They left the door unlocked. 91 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: They had this whole plan. The little girl, the four 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: year old, was in the basement with an iPad, and 93 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: the plan was that when Joe Ryan was doing what 94 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: he thought he came here that was mutually agreed upon 95 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: to do, Brendan would walk in and shoot Joe Ryan 96 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: and tell authorities he was stabbing my wife to death. 97 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: I broke in and found this man attacking my wife 98 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: and I shot him. And then he, according to the 99 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: au pair, stabs his wife with the knife that Joe 100 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: Ryan brought in his sexual fantasy role playing and make 101 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: it look like Joe Ryan actually killed his wife. And 102 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: that was the plan. 103 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: Um, yeah, I mean it's you would think, or they 104 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: thought it was a good plan. Brendan Banfield comes in, 105 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: saves the day, tries to save his wife, kills an intruder. 106 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: That intruder, unfortunately, sadly, had already killed the wife. And 107 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: that was supposed to be the store. 108 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: And that was the nine to one one call. That 109 00:05:55,320 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: is what they actually said happened to authorities, But it 110 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: was months later they actually ended up arresting the pair 111 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: for her role, and she It took her almost a year, 112 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: but she ended up finally admitting that she did fire 113 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: the fatal shot they believe into Joe Ryan, and therefore 114 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: she was charged with murder. And the defense's point is 115 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: the prosecution flipped her to make up this story and 116 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: to give her this story and feed this story to 117 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: jurors to ultimately get the person they wanted, which was 118 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: Brendan Banfield. He's been charged with a double homicide and 119 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: endangerment to his daughter because this all happened while she 120 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: was in the home. So he is looking at life 121 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: behind bars and he is now fighting for his life 122 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: in this murder trial. But the O pair's testimony, and 123 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: she took the stand last week, is the foundation. 124 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 3: And it might be if the jurors don't believe the O. 125 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: Pair, the prosecution doesn't have a case. Her testimony is 126 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: the key to secutors winning this case. 127 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: And let's be clear here, and we put ourselves as 128 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: we watch these in the position of the jurors as journalists, 129 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: but also of the jurors and in this case, sitting 130 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: in there. It's hard to imagine how she came across 131 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: that cross that well, to a lot of the jurors, 132 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: it wasn't. It was more, it wasn't necessarily the story 133 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: versus her demeanor, how she reacted, how she came off 134 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: in a lot of what she's doing being combative with 135 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: the defense attorney at times. Do you know what? She 136 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: didn't seem like she had remorse. She didn't seem like 137 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: she took responsibility for her own role in a way 138 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: she if they believe every word out of her mouth, 139 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: is still a tough messenger to get it from. 140 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, she couldn't remember several key details when she went 141 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: under cross examination. She couldn't remember who set up the 142 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: fed life account her or Brendan. She couldn't remember who 143 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: emailed some of those potential sexual fantasy partners. So there 144 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: were a lot of problems for her when it came 145 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: to remembering key details. If you want to be believed, 146 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: and the jurors want to believe you know what happened, 147 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: and what you're saying happened was true, to be missing 148 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: major details like that is questionable. But perhaps one of 149 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: her biggest problems was when the defense attorney had Juliana 150 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: read letters that she wrote to Brendan and Brendan's mom. 151 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: When she was in prison for nearly a year, she 152 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: was depressed, she was suicidal. She was professing her forever 153 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: love to Brendan. And then we saw the letters that 154 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: she wrote her family about a Netflix offer being offered 155 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars. 156 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: Two different women in these letters. Yes, once she got 157 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: the deal, she became a different person based on those letters. 158 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: In her own words, and again, she sounded like she 159 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: was really spiraling downward for months and months and months, 160 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: to the point she was talking about taking her own life. 161 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: She was desperate, and then all of a sudden she's 162 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: talking about I don't want to accept a Netflix deal. 163 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: I want to negotiate. I can get other offers other places, 164 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: and her tone, her demeanor, everything about her changed, and 165 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: the argument from the defenses that yeah, she got a 166 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: sweet deal. This is it not true Robes. It's the 167 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: understanding that she fired the fatal blow into Joseph absolutely Ryan. 168 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: So the woman that did that is going to get 169 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: to go home free. Yeah, So the jury is looking 170 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: at that and is going to have to consider how 171 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: much to how much weight to give her testimony When 172 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: I mean, it's clear she has a lot of incentive 173 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: to say. 174 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: Whatever is absolutely I actually wrote the quote down when 175 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: she talked to or what she had to read the 176 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: letter she wrote her family about this Netflix deal, So 177 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: she had to read this with jurors listening. I'm going 178 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: to sit down talking with them negotiating. I want to 179 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: higher amount, especially since my whole life will be exposed 180 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: to everyone and they're going to be making a lot 181 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: of money off it. We deserve something, And the defense 182 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: attorney really honed in on you deserve something. Didn't you 183 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: just admit to shooting and killing a man, but you 184 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: deserve something. That was a maybe it wasn't a Perry 185 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: Mason moment, but it was a big moment for the defense. 186 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: Well, there's you're always watching try and that's a lot 187 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: of blood evidence, there's a lot of DNA stuff to 188 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: go over, there's a crime scene stuff, a lot of 189 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: investigators up there, detectives and whatnot. Yeah, and so you're 190 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: waiting on a moment that was one of the more 191 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: dramatic ones. And it's not one that he had planned 192 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: because of course they have their list of questions. But 193 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: he honed in on the word deserve because when you 194 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: hear that you. You all, we all kind of go, 195 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 2: wait a minute, what and he said it as plain 196 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: like he was thrown off by her. 197 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 3: What he said, you shot a guy like girl, you 198 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: deserve jail time? 199 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: He said, he absolutely incredible. You shot somebody. 200 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: Why do you deserve You don't deserve thousands of a moment. 201 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: That was a moment that the jury will remember. 202 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: I agree. I agree. 203 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: So when we come back, we're going to tell you 204 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: how the prosecution rested their case this week and what 205 00:10:48,360 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: the defense has in store for the jury. Welcome back 206 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: everyone to Amy and TJ Presents. Where we are going 207 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: over the very latest in the O Pair affair murders trial. 208 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: This week, the prosecution rested its case. 209 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: Of course, its case is almost entirely built around the 210 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: O pairs testimony and whether or not the jury is 211 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: going to believe her version of events. But they did 212 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: promise some blood evidence that they said would connect Brendan 213 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: Banfield to killing his wife. And we did hear from 214 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: this blood stained expert who said, and this does match 215 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: the O Pair's testimony that after the killings, she says 216 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: that Brendan adjusted the bodies to make it look like 217 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Joe Ryan stabbed his wife, Christine, and so this blood 218 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: stain expert said that Joe Ryan's wounds flowed like the 219 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: blood flowed in multiple directions, which would suggest he was 220 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: moved after he was shot. And then she said that 221 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: Christine's blood appears to have been intentionally spilled onto Ryan's 222 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: hands and pants instead of naturally coming out of a wound. 223 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: She was describing how blood acts. You said you found 224 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: that testimony fascinating. 225 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: Well, I we watch a lot of true crime and 226 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: how many times we hear that phrase bud spatter and 227 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: it splattered and there's bud spatter, right, there's different word. 228 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: I So much of these crimes have to do with 229 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: blood and how it behaves. She just I thought was 230 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: very good. Initially I was sitting there as a student 231 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: wanting to take notes as she explained how blood behaves. 232 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: I found that very interesting. She was We've heard a 233 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: lot of blood experts. She's spoke in a way that 234 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: spoke to me. 235 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: We understood it. 236 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: AKA, we understood it, which is not always the case 237 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: when you're listening to people who are scientists. Like when 238 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: you start having scientists described DNA and exclusions, I start 239 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: to like glaze over exactly. So she actually made blood 240 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: evidence interesting. The prosecution rested the last of their eighteen 241 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: witnesses that they've called over these last nearly two weeks 242 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: was Christine Banfield's father. 243 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: I wasn't really sure why this was. 244 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Important what they got out of him, but he testified 245 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: to Christine's medical condition that makes her bleed and bruise 246 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: more easily. 247 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 3: So I don't know what the jurors got out of it. 248 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: You hear Christine's father is testifying, and I don't know, 249 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: it didn't land maybe the way he wasn't he wasn't 250 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: And so yes, the defense now begins its case. And look, 251 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: their main goal was, and this mostly happened during cross examination, 252 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: was to debunk this catfishing narrative that he was with 253 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: the au pair and planning all of this and her 254 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: version events they're trying to say, is the prosecution's version 255 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: events that. 256 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: They handed to her. 257 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: She studied it and then she regurgitated it when she 258 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: got up on the witness stand. But look, the other 259 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: big thing they have is the digital forensics. And there 260 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: is a member within the police department who has said 261 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: he is a digital forensics expert, that the evidence does 262 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: not prove that someone other than Christine the wife logged 263 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: into that beet life account, and he had his findings 264 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: peer reviewed by a team at the University of Alabama 265 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: who agreed with him that you cannot say that Christine 266 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: herself didn't set up this fet life account, and that 267 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: is damning to the prosecution. 268 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: Oh, if they believe she did it, then the story 269 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: is over, the trial is over, the outcome is assured, 270 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: because if the whole thing is that he set this 271 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: up to kill her, and you're telling me he didn't 272 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: set up the account itself, then there is no rest 273 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: of the story. 274 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: There's reasonable doubt as to what exactly happened in that 275 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: bedroom and why it happened and how it happened. 276 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: And this is about who you believe. 277 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: But also, and this was the opening statement of Brendan 278 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: Banfield's defense attorney, he said, in the world of digital forensics, 279 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: there is a saying digital forensics doesn't lie. People lie, 280 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: And there's going to be plenty to see. You're going 281 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: to see manipulation within the police department. So that is 282 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: going to be explosive testimony, and the defense is putting 283 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: on a defense and we will be watching. 284 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: Want to let you all know too. 285 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: We sat down with Alison Triesel, criminal defense attorney Alison Triesel, 286 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: So if you've been a fan of this feed in 287 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: this podcast, you will know that name because she has 288 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: helped us and walked us through a couple of these 289 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: trials we've been watching. She has some very very interesting 290 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: takes on what we've seen in this O pair affair 291 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: murders trial. She's really into this one, so look for that. 292 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: That episode will post shortly after this one, so please 293 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: please please check that out. But in the meantime, thank 294 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to us. I'm Amy Roebuck 295 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: alongside my partner TJ. 296 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.