WEBVTT - Selects: How Motion Sickness Works

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, it's your pale Josh. For this week's select,

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<v Speaker 1>I've chosen our twenty sixteen episode on motion sickness, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst, non injurious, non life threatening things that

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<v Speaker 1>can happen to you. But don't worry. You won't get

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<v Speaker 1>motion sick just from listening and maybe knowing a little

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<v Speaker 1>more about it might help you avoid it. We can

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<v Speaker 1>only hope enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Joshua Clark. There's

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<v Speaker 1>Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over there. I'm speaking

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<v Speaker 1>in a monotone kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, dude, Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going well. I'm not motion sick, so things are fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you get motion sick sometimes? I mean if the condition.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really surprised to find that not everybody gets

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<v Speaker 1>motion sick.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your conditions?

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<v Speaker 1>Poor ventilation and like lots of movement backseat of a car? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but anytime I read in a car, yeah, even like

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<v Speaker 1>glancing at my phone on a map. Really, if I

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<v Speaker 1>have to read anything, yeah, it gets me very quick.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've just learned like I can't do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot do it, so I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it a little bit too. I used to

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<v Speaker 2>get it more, I think when I was younger. Supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>it's normal. Supposedly it is. But I remember a very

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<v Speaker 2>specific story that my brother still laughs at.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, boy, I'm glad. I said that I owe my brother,

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<v Speaker 2>my big brother, a big apology because I saw him

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend and he said, oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just did an old episode and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd never been a groom a best man. I was

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<v Speaker 2>the best man at my brother's wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh out, man. I felt like a jerk, man, Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And what happened was when I said I hadn't, I

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<v Speaker 2>just like quickly scanned through my friends that have gotten married,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't think about my brother and I was

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<v Speaker 2>his best man. Boy, I know, man, what a jerk.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's it's rectified.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I told him. I was like, you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a public apology, So there it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty public.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's public as it gets.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have also started a scores based website if

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted. It's really easy.

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<v Speaker 2>I might do that. So anyway, there's this old story

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<v Speaker 2>when we went to Disney Geez, which is the one

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<v Speaker 2>where Body Wars is at. I should have asked Holly.

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<v Speaker 2>From stuff you missed in history class, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Would know she probably senses that someone's talking about Disney

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Body Wars either was or still is. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's still there. One of those rides that you

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<v Speaker 2>sit in a you know, it was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>first sort of virtual things where they show you a

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<v Speaker 2>movie and they moved.

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<v Speaker 1>The car, like the Amazing Voyage or something, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you went inside a human body and we're traveling around.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say Disney World, but I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went in that and.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean waiting. You grew up in Atlanta, I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 1>you went to disney World.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it definitely was at Disneyland, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it was Epcot Oh or Universal Studio or Disney World.

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<v Speaker 2>It was in Orlando.

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<v Speaker 1>So from what I understand, we have a buddy who

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<v Speaker 1>works for Disney, and he set me straight on this before,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I've got it. So Disney World is

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<v Speaker 1>all of those. The Magic Kingdom is what you're specifying.

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<v Speaker 2>So Disney world includes Epcott and Universal Studios.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm not mistaken, I really hope I'm not mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Magic Kingdom is specifically went with the Castle, right.

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<v Speaker 1>If I did get that wrong, Brandon, I apologize.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one with the castle and all the weird adults

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<v Speaker 2>that think they're children.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Holly from stuff you missed in history class.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh so body wars anyway, you're traveling through the body,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember at one point I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>this is it's getting hot in here, and Scott was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is great. I was like, I'm not feeling so

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<v Speaker 2>good man. It's like do they have the heat going?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, what are you talking about? It feels great?

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<v Speaker 2>And I got I didn't vomit, but I got really

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<v Speaker 2>sick and made it through the ride and left. And

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<v Speaker 2>he still teases me to this day. He was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it was temperature air controlled, yeah, and you thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was like ninety degrees and they were like pumping in heat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny, like it got to you like that, like

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<v Speaker 1>your own body cold sweats the whole wh Yeah, that's bad,

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<v Speaker 1>but generally you you actually did puke.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I did not poke. You didn't, but generally,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it takes a certain thing, like a

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<v Speaker 2>really hardcore roller coaster, right, going in fast fast circles. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't get sick on plains or the one

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<v Speaker 2>cruise I went on, I didn't get sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I've gotten I've gotten sick before, like

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<v Speaker 1>on vacation. But and on planes it's usually fairly fleeting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's when I introduced reading that it's like, right, you're

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<v Speaker 1>in big trouble for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>You can read on a plane though I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, now I think about it's reading in

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<v Speaker 1>a car. I just got to stay away from that.

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<v Speaker 1>But usually it does come about with like poor ventilation

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing, yeah, which is another trigger, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big one, or like a rough odor or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure all those things don't help.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is for for as much as like we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of commonly understand motion sickness, science really doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a full explanation for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm picturing little Josh because riding backwards is bad and

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<v Speaker 2>like a rumble seat and a station wagon.

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<v Speaker 1>In a in a Subaru brat with like your.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad has like salami socks on or something that stink, what,

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<v Speaker 2>like the windows are rolled up. I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to think of something gross.

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<v Speaker 1>Salami socks, like socks made of salami.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, Like, whendn't that smelled gross?

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<v Speaker 1>He's wearing the skin of another person.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I was thinking sock smelled like old salami,

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<v Speaker 2>but made of salami is even better? Right, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just picturing you back there, like reading your Mad

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<v Speaker 2>magazine feeling bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, No, I do remember being a kid and

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out I can't read in cars. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>period where I could, which is kind of surprising because

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<v Speaker 1>when you're younger, you're more susceptible to motion sickness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I could read in the car while I was younger,

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<v Speaker 1>and then probably around the time of puberty, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do this anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So you went opposite. Yeah weird. Yeah, well maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>developed your hips, right, because that's a tease. We'll just

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<v Speaker 2>leave that out there, all right. So twenty five to

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<v Speaker 2>forty percent of people supposedly are susceptible to motion sickness.

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<v Speaker 2>So weird, and it can happen on planes, it can happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird. This one University of Maryland side I went

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<v Speaker 2>to said the following are the most common risk factors

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<v Speaker 2>riding in a car, boat, airplane, or space shuttle. Really, yeah, nerds,

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<v Speaker 2>Just like they didn't even put amusement park ride. They

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<v Speaker 2>just went straight to space shuttle.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one that I I hadn't seen before, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently as the thing is looking through a microscope.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes a little bit of sense though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because the slag can move and your eyes are

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<v Speaker 1>seeing movement but you're not moving. Uh huh, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get to you like another nerdy motion sickness,

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<v Speaker 1>space shuttles and microscopes.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like you said, age between two and twelve, you're

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<v Speaker 2>more likely and then you're also more likely to grow

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<v Speaker 2>out of it after puberty. And one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>that women are more motion sickness than men, or get

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<v Speaker 2>motion sickness more than men, is because one of the

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<v Speaker 2>theories is that after puberty they developed more in the hips,

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<v Speaker 2>men develop more in the chest, and I guess that

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<v Speaker 2>makes a difference. They didn't really explain why, though, did they.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it all has to do with sway theory, which

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<v Speaker 1>will oh, that's right, right, sway theory. Yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is true that like women are more susceptible just on average,

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<v Speaker 1>to motion sickness than men are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I saw some studies apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>Also Asian women Asian period.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Penn State did a study and they put

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<v Speaker 2>people in situations that make emotion sick or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you look into those?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Is it like a tilted whirl Dude?

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you went in for just a clinical study,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm gonna make some scratch and maybe they'll give

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<v Speaker 1>me a cool drug or something. Yeah, and it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out to be a motion sickness study, you should leave.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I totally was.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's this thing called a optkinetic drum I believe

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<v Speaker 1>is what it's called. Oh I did see that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>optkinetic joke. It's like it's like a drum, like a

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<v Speaker 1>big drum that you sit inside of, and it's got

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<v Speaker 1>vertical black and white painted stripes and it spins around

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<v Speaker 1>you and the motion, the movement is really emphasized and

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<v Speaker 1>like it's designed to make anybody motion sick and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how they induce motion sickness. And I saw another one

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<v Speaker 1>where they use a chair that just kind of moves

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<v Speaker 1>you around, whether you like it or not, and it

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<v Speaker 1>induces motion sickness. Like, what a terrible thing to have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You man. There was a ride at six Flags over

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia growing up that they got rid of because someone

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<v Speaker 2>got hurt, supposedly where it's this barrel that you all

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<v Speaker 2>get in. You stand, it's like kind of below ground.

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<v Speaker 2>You stand against the wall and it spins so fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they dropped the floor beneath you, and the centrifugal

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<v Speaker 2>force hold you against the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a spin cycle and a washing machine. You mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I were just talking about that the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing was awful.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my favorite of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the old story was that someone's leg got trapped

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<v Speaker 2>when the floor came back.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, But I remember hearing that now that I look.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, because I'm sure that was an old wives tale.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I was on Snoops the other day and I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading an early article and they were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the urban legend about some girl who got

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<v Speaker 1>scalped because her hair got caught in an amusement park

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<v Speaker 1>ride or something. It actually happened, really, Yeah, the girl's

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<v Speaker 1>ponytail got caught in there. And just got pulled right

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<v Speaker 1>off of her head. I know, but it actually did happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's possible someone's leg got sucked into the tilta world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but then what happens is it happened to every

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<v Speaker 2>amusement park.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right. It just happened to my cousin's friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, all right. So the Penn State study they put

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<v Speaker 2>people in these torture machines and interestingly, they did confirm

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent of Asian people got sick, when it was

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<v Speaker 2>less than fifty percent for Caucation and non Caucasian, which is.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it's very crazy, but it kind of underscores a

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<v Speaker 1>growing awareness among motion sickness researchers aka the evil ones,

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<v Speaker 1>that genetics play a big role in susceptibility to motion sickness.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because there were another couple of findings that

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<v Speaker 2>lend to that. Twins. They studied two hundred sets of

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<v Speaker 2>identical twins, and one hundred percent of the identical twins

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<v Speaker 2>were both affected. Really yeah, and some of that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't prove that it's genetics because it also could

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<v Speaker 2>be the just where they were raised and how were

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<v Speaker 2>they raised. What's that called?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh nurture, environment.

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<v Speaker 2>Environment environmental And if parents are both susceptible to motion sickness,

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<v Speaker 2>they found that their children are five times more likely,

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<v Speaker 2>So it sort of points to genetics. But then other

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<v Speaker 2>things point away from genetics, like why why would you

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<v Speaker 2>know two people in the same family and the same

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<v Speaker 2>conditions not get sick or why did two people period

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<v Speaker 2>not get.

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<v Speaker 1>Sick right under the same conditions. Yeah, Like, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, Salami socks smell, yeah, yeah, same backwards

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<v Speaker 1>facing seat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I guess what I'm saying is they haven't figured

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<v Speaker 2>it out.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they haven't. But if we do figure out that

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<v Speaker 1>it's genetic, thanks to the magic of the Crisper cast

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<v Speaker 1>nine gene editing process, be able to knock that right

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<v Speaker 1>out for you.

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<v Speaker 2>What else pregnant?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pregnant women are more susceptible to it. Women who

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<v Speaker 1>are menstruating, I think also are, and people who get

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<v Speaker 1>migraines are more susceptible. And then people who sleep poorly

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<v Speaker 1>are more susceptible to motion sickness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it says if you're prone to nausea or vomiting,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if that's like, that's the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a chicken or the egg thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's well, we're going to get into again. We

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<v Speaker 1>said science doesn't understand exactly what's going on here, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's some good theories. We're going to talk about them

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<v Speaker 1>right after this. So chuck, Yeah, let's talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>theories for motion sickness because it's kind of two Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw. I think it was this Atlantic article you sent.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not so much it's not so much science. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a debate, yeah, over you know, the likelier explanation. But

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<v Speaker 1>they actually kind of fit together, I think so. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you ask the people, apparently the author in

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<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic, it's called the Mysterious Science of Motion Sickness,

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<v Speaker 2>he sort of pokes fun a little bit. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>to me, they sound sort of the same. But don't

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<v Speaker 2>tell that to those people who believe one or the other,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're like, no, they're nothing like each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she Julie Beck, Oh is that who was?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Nice job, Julie, good article. Pat on the

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<v Speaker 2>back for you, cold star. So here's the first one.

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<v Speaker 2>Is in this one, they both make a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>sense to me. Basically, there's a dissonance between the parts

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<v Speaker 2>of your body that sense motion. Right, that's the easiest

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<v Speaker 2>way to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called the sensory conflict theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeahs you got tryballs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sense motion. It's it's weird if you think

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<v Speaker 1>about your eyes doing that, but that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>roles that they play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you see motion, right. Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You also have the vestibular system, which is centered around

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<v Speaker 1>your inner ear yep, and that definitely senses motion, movement, acceleration, gravity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have all the sensor the sensors and

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<v Speaker 1>like your muscles and joints and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah. I didn't really think about that as being one,

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<v Speaker 2>but for sure. Yeah, like your body actually feels it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well think about it, like if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>feel yourself kind of moving backward, you're definitely sensing it

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<v Speaker 1>through your inner ear, but you can also feel it

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<v Speaker 1>in your feet as well, and they're sending a bulletin

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<v Speaker 1>to your brain saying, lean forward, dummy, you're gonna fall back.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your problem, friend? Yeah, that's what it says.

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<v Speaker 2>So this dissonance occurs when basically, like let's say you're

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in a movie theater like an imax, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a scene where you're you're flying with Superman or something like.

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<v Speaker 2>You're seeing this with your eyeball, like a first person

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<v Speaker 2>perspective shot of flight, right, but you're sitting in your seat,

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<v Speaker 2>so your eyes are saying you're flying, and your butt's

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<v Speaker 2>going You're sitting here.

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<v Speaker 1>And your brain's like a witch Yeah, pretty much witchcraft.

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<v Speaker 2>So it creates this this, it creates motion sickness. That's

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<v Speaker 2>when the nausea might kick in, dizziness, those cold sweats, salivation.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how the author of the house Stuff Works

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<v Speaker 1>article pointed out she specifically mentioned Avatar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the dude the guy who's like the friend

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<v Speaker 1>on the Flight of the Concords Mary, No, the other dude,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who worked in the ponds.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, what is his name?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not Arge Barker.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Arge Barker? Yes it was. I always want to

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<v Speaker 1>call him Bosler him, and I know it's definitely not

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<v Speaker 1>the same dude. Great comedian Ars Barker. You mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>went to go see him. He did some stand up right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was talking about Avatar and he said, when

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<v Speaker 1>it first came out, people were like, oh, Avatar, have

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<v Speaker 1>you seen Avatar?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great? And then like everything you heard was have

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<v Speaker 1>you seen Avatar? You got to see Avatar, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>like after a couple of weeks, you'd just be walking

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<v Speaker 1>down the sidewalk and people would pull up alongside you

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<v Speaker 1>in their car and roll down the window and go Avatar.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is I think a great example of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting. I posted an article on Facebook not

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<v Speaker 2>too long ago on the stuff you Should Know page

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<v Speaker 2>about this person wrote an article about Avatar and their

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<v Speaker 2>argument was that it for such a huge movie, it

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<v Speaker 2>had like zero cultural impact, like it was big at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, but does anyone care now, Like it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like the Star Wars World or oh Star Trek or

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<v Speaker 2>all these things. And I totally agreed. I saw Avatar

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<v Speaker 2>once and I was like, I'm done with it. Typical

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<v Speaker 2>James Cameron schlock.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it zero times now.

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<v Speaker 2>That sucks. But dude, there are Avatar people though I

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<v Speaker 2>know that piled on and were like, was goy, have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what he's talking about. It's totally relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure they're going to be all over our

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook page after this episode comes back. Hey truck forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I like some of James Cameron's stuff, but if

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote the script, then it's I'm not gonna like it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know what you mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's a hack writer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I just say that to hundreds of thousands of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I'm sure James Cameron cares what you think.

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<v Speaker 1>He's at the bottom of the Marianna Trench right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not listening into Stuffy.

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<v Speaker 2>She's picking out my future burial site.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Chuck, we were talking about the sensory conflict theory, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one big explanation and it definitely kind of makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>right you Your brain just basically gets overloaded and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to sit down. I've got the vapors. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing a lot of bad impressions in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>as it knows to be somebody fainting in the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, it's great. So it was your Archbarker.

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<v Speaker 1>A fop, That's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a fop, the dandy fop.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another competing idea, and that is we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>talked about. It's called sway theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's a dude, Thomas Staffragen or Stuffragen. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going with the gin with jin Je Stuffragen, University of

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<v Speaker 2>University of Minnesota, Prorofessor of Kinesiology and listen to this.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the director of its Affordance Perception Action Laboratory NERD.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets motion sickness looking through microscopes, so.

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<v Speaker 2>He proposes the sway theory, which basically has nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with the vestibular system. He said.

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<v Speaker 1>He says that I don't I don't necessarily agree with that, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, agree that he thinks that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know that he thinks that. I don't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that his take on that. Agree. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>still tied together.

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<v Speaker 2>But his theory is in this first party is in theory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, is that everyone sways, Like unless you're one

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<v Speaker 2>of those people that stand at like motionless in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of New Orleans for money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah silver or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're good, they're good at it. But if you're

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<v Speaker 2>just a regular dope like you and I, when we

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<v Speaker 2>stand there, we're going to be moving in a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you me swaying a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird. Like if you stop and like really pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to it, yeah you notice it, but you'll never

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<v Speaker 1>notice it unless you are focused on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're always moving a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, swaying. If you're standing up, you're swaying for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. And the point he makes is if everyone truly

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<v Speaker 2>relaxed every muscle in their body, they'd fall over.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. So the whole point, the whole thing is swaying

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<v Speaker 1>is it's the byproduct of us standing upright, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not something we've been doing for all of the time

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<v Speaker 1>we've been on earth, because we evolve from things that

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<v Speaker 1>walked on four legs. Standing up's kind of new.

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<v Speaker 2>Well sure, and babies don't stand up right. They have

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<v Speaker 2>to learn as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, so Stuffridgen's whole idea is that motion sickness

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<v Speaker 1>comes about when you have when you're exposed to movement

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<v Speaker 1>that contradicts the natural swaying that you've learned to do

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<v Speaker 1>to stand upright right, and it undermines it and your

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<v Speaker 1>brain goes which.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense in a way because let's say you're on

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<v Speaker 2>a boat and the boat's tilting to the left, and

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<v Speaker 2>so what your feet do or you know, they account

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<v Speaker 2>for that, and maybe you lean in on the inside

0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.879
<v Speaker 2>of your foot and your toes flex right. So because

0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.919
<v Speaker 2>you want to make yourself more upright again, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the boat turns again in a direction you're not expecting.

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<v Speaker 2>You're correcting for that first move, the second move happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and your body doesn't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing. The the sensory conflict one makes a

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<v Speaker 1>little more sense to me than this one, because that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds to me like if that, if that were the case,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's what's going on, and it clearly is, like

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<v Speaker 1>when it's when you get your sea legs or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you you, you were moving along, You're trying to stay

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<v Speaker 1>standing under these weird conditions. Why would that translate into

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<v Speaker 1>something like dizzyness or nausea or vomiting or cold sweats.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't make sense to me. Sensory conflict, I can

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<v Speaker 1>see translating into it. But even beyond that, a lot

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of people are like, no, that doesn't Still, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense why you would vomit. And this one guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Michael Treesman in nineteen seventy seven came up with

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty awesome explanation for why we should get nauseated

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<v Speaker 1>when we get motion sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, yeah, should we take a break and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, all right? Josh Michael treesmaneteen seven, twenty seven in

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<v Speaker 2>the journal Science. What did he say?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he said that we get nauseated from motion sickness

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<v Speaker 1>because over there are some toxins out there that can

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<v Speaker 1>mess with our vestibular system. Right, Yes, So the body

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<v Speaker 1>is tricked into thinking that it's possibly been exposed to

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of toxin because the vestibular the vestibular system

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<v Speaker 1>is out of whack from motion sickness, So it gets

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<v Speaker 1>nauseated and ultimately might vomit as a reflex to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of whatever toxin it thinks has been ingested. It's

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<v Speaker 1>basically a case of mistaken identity. I think it explains

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<v Speaker 1>it perfectly. Yeah, it makes sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see a little bit. Yeah, I think what

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<v Speaker 2>what Stuffragen is saying is that you're used to regaining

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.959
<v Speaker 2>your balance. You spend your entire life learning this system,

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<v Speaker 2>and that if it's thrown off, what he doesn't do

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<v Speaker 2>is connect it. I believe. I believe you're right, he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't connect it in the end, like something that happens

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<v Speaker 2>in your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, why the physiological reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, agreed, Yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Does have some pretty good evidence backing his idea. Of

0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:14.920
<v Speaker 1>sway theory up though, So again, women are more susceptible

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 1>to motion sickness than men, right, Yes, that's what they say. Well,

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:24.959
<v Speaker 1>he says, aha, Well, sway theory explains this. Kids are

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<v Speaker 1>equally susceptible to both genders are equally susceptible to motion

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 1>sickness before puberty. Then after puberty, the bodies change, and

0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>where women and men hold most of their weight is different. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Women hold it mostly around their hips, Men hold it

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<v Speaker 1>more around their chest, and that means that the center

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<v Speaker 1>of gravity is different, which means the amount that we

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<v Speaker 1>sway is different.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I think who does he say sways? Women

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<v Speaker 2>sway farther but slower but slower.

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<v Speaker 1>Men sway faster but within a tighter area.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are micro sways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think that like most people move

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<v Speaker 1>no more than like an inch to any given side. Yeah,

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and even then you're like Barney on the Simpsons when

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<v Speaker 1>he walked out for that like bachelor auction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Then there's also land sickness, which is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't look too much into it, but I have

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<v Speaker 2>heard of it, which is basically the concept that if

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 2>you're a sailor, right then you've gotten or you know,

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 2>just somebody who's been on boats enough. You don't have

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.439
<v Speaker 2>to be a professional. You get your sea legs so

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<v Speaker 2>well that you get land sickness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When you get back, yeah, and you're on solid ground,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>What to do, right, because your brain's so used to

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.400
<v Speaker 1>things moving that it perceives that it's moving even though

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<v Speaker 1>it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to say the French name for it?

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Milde barkmont close? Let me look, I wasn't even looking

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 1>that was you forgot the middle part? Well, then you

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<v Speaker 1>say it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a qui in the middle. So maybe mal de barcumen.

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I said mal Debarkamon, mel debarquemon bark moon have barbecue, mallt.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that when we do this stuff, there's it's

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 2>probably literally fifty percent people laughing and fifty percent people

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>want to kill us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, yeah a lot of people want to

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<v Speaker 1>kill us. I can live with that as long as

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 1>they never do.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So should we go over some some things

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:31.919
<v Speaker 2>that you can do to prevent it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I mean that that whole segment on what explains

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:37.879
<v Speaker 1>motion sickness is kind of petered out, But that's the

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<v Speaker 1>state of science right now.

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although they I will say, they have looked at

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 2>the twenty three and me for the genetic side, and

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>have found some support for both claims.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they're together. I do too, Like I think,

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<v Speaker 1>if yes, your your swaying system is set up in

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<v Speaker 1>a certain way, and why can't that be a component that,

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<v Speaker 1>along with the vestibular system and your sight and all

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 1>that is affected and creates motion sickness. I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand why it has to be one or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the impression that I had he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to really come get across, is that it's no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>its own thing. Yeah, yeah, I think that's weird. So

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<v Speaker 1>what do you what do you go to if you

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<v Speaker 1>get motions sick?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they say to keep your eyes on the horizon,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you're in a car or a boat or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That that'll help cuts down on motion, right or the

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<v Speaker 1>sensation of motion. I'm not sure I think so, because

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:36.879
<v Speaker 1>think about it, when you look at stuff that's close

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 1>to the car, it's blurring by. It's the horizon sting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>constant look.

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<v Speaker 2>At you keep your head still so you can lay

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<v Speaker 2>down if you're able to somewhere, or at least put

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 2>your head back against the seat. Yeah, just sort of

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 2>keep it as still as possible. Don't smoke.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, they just good advice all around.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly if you're gonna fly, they say to avoid big,

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>greasy meals and alcohol the night before, and eat light

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>meals or snacks low en calories the day of.

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.120
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you do want to have something in your stomach, though,

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 1>because that's.

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Just can't help empty stomach. No good, right, turn that

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 2>air vent. Whether you're in your car or a plane

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 2>or a boat, you want some fresh air blowing on

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 2>your face, ideally or at least recycled air.

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I felt this bed since then, Anita Bryant Hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>Sit in the front of the airplane or over a wing, supposedly.

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the rear of the airplane.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell a difference?

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, really, you just get whipped around back and forth.

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>It's way worse if you get motion sick. You should

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>never sit behind the wings of the airplane.

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 2>See I love the last car of a roller coaster though.

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, you're feeling it more. Yeah, you're enjoying it more.

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>You don't get motion sick.

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<v Speaker 2>What else avoids salty foods? Before you travel.

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 1>There's also remedies too, right, So the jury's out on

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.199
<v Speaker 1>whether ginger actually helps or not if it's just a

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:05.159
<v Speaker 1>placebo effect.

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Ginger, peppermint, and black horehound apparently are some of the

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.959
<v Speaker 2>herbs that may or may not work. Who knows.

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you firsthand, and I looked it up.

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<v Speaker 1>See bands, acupressure bracelets. Yeah, that go on your wrist,

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>three fingers with down from the heel of your palm.

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 2>The pericardium six So was the acupuncture point.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw research that showed that neither placebo nor the

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>acupressure bands had any effect on motion sickness. I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that even if it is just placebo, they

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>still work. Oh yeah, the firsthand, they work all right,

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 1>even if it's placebo. I don't care. That's fine because

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>it keeps me from being motion sick.

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it kept me and you me from being motion

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<v Speaker 1>sick on an entire cruise.

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>But would you have been motion sick without it?

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we had. We didn't use it for one

0:28:58.160 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>day and we fell immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I brought one on my only cruise that I

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<v Speaker 2>went to, and I don't think I wore it because

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't need to.

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>We had like divots on our wrisk because we just

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 1>had them on like the whole time. Yeah you should

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 1>bring it just in case.

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>We also had scopalamine. Yeah, and we didn't even use

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>it because the sea bands work so well.

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Drama meine is that the same thing or is no different?

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Scopal of meine is that stuff that like they drug

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>people with and then it's like remember in our truth

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Sier episode we talked about scopel of me Oh yeah,

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like a drug in South America where they'll they'll

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>dose you with it and then you end up like

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>just basically becoming zombified and don't remember anything. Yeah, it's

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 1>the same stuff, but it doles the messages from your

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>inner ear to your brain, so your sensation of motion

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>has decreased.

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Nice homeopathy. There haven't been a ton of studies about

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 2>the effective effectiveness of specific remedies, but they do say

0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 2>things like borax, calculus, petroleum cpo, tabacum.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, So we're going to hear from so many people

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>just for having even uttered the word homeopathy.

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Is that how you say it? Homeopathy?

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>No, it goes both ways. Okay, Yeah, I know, I mean,

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing drives people more crazy than that. I know they're

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>going to go berserk mark my word.

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Because it's not you know, well, well I said that

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that take it or leave it basically. Yeah, some people

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>swear by it. Yeah, man, some people think it's uh.

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>From what I have ever seen, it's like the biggest

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>flash point like of anything, of anything that skeptics talk about.

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Nothing drives them crazier than homeopathy. Yeah, yeah, like make

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>some nuts. It's kind of funny to watch.

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>It does, because then you people say you shouldn't even

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 2>say Western versus Eastern medicine. You should say proven science

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 2>versus like witchcraft.

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Did people say that on Facebook?

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they get really like, you shouldn't even say say it.

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I said, you can't say it. Don't even say it?

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Josh, what else?

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm making fun of you.

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Mind body medicine, biofeedback, training, and relaxation. They did a

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>study of fifty five pilots who had to stop flying

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 2>due to motion sickness, which, by the way, I didn't

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>know that, Like that frightens me just knowing that that.

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>A pilot can get motion say yeah, but think about

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 1>it for the pilot. That's like career ending. Oh, I'm

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>sure you know.

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Seventy six percent of them got over their motion sickness

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>and were able to return to work after biofeedback training

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>and relaxation programs. So basically they sit in that tilta whirl,

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 2>bring it on, and then biofeedback instruments record temperature, muscle tension,

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and they use relaxation techniques and mental imagery in the

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 2>chair and over time, it's sort of like cognitive behavioral therapy,

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 2>which is another thing that they use, which is like,

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, get in the chair right and do it

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>until right. It doesn't affect you any exposure therapy, right. Yeah.

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>There's this guy named Sam Puma who's a physician and

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>aeronautics engineer. I think maybe at the very least, he's

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>worked in the aerospace industry for a really long time,

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and he has come up with some habituation exercises where

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>basically you kind of mildly expose your body to the

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of movements it's going to expect on like a

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 1>space shuttle or whatever ahead of your trip, and you can,

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 1>he says, you can be prepared and not have any

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>motion sickness and as little as a weak huh. Yeah,

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and I guess it checks.

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Out, yeah, because it sounds like, you know, come on,

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 2>what's this guy selling me?

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 2>But then the Atlantic author she said, you know, no,

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 2>apparently it's a real thing.

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 2>And then another good tip that I saw was, if

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>you're in a car and you're not driving, pretend like

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 2>you're driving. You might feel silly, but you know, pretend

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 2>like you're driving, maybe even to your hands and anticipate

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the curves and things.

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe give them a little horn, a little imaginary

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>horn once an order.

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The reason why the best seat in a car

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.479
<v Speaker 1>is the drivers because you can anticipate the movements the

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>car is gonna make. Yeah, which supports sway theory if

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>you think about it, true because you can counteract it.

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:21.959
<v Speaker 2>Do you ever have one of those passengers in your

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>car that hits the fake brake because they're nervous. Sure,

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 2>it's like just an involuntary action. You see them stomp

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 2>their foot on the floorboard. It's pretty funny. I have

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 2>one friend in particular that does that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, uh, let's see. I guess that's it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else. If you want to learn more

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<v Speaker 1>about motion sickness, you can type those words in the

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<v Speaker 1>search bar at HowStuffWorks dot com. And since I said

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<v Speaker 1>search bar, it's time for the listener mayl.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call this fond sid to to Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>love the show. I'm a two two maker who knew,

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>but you know.

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Somebody makes them. Sure they don't just grow on trees.

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Not anymore. I'm a two two maker and work alone

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 2>in my studio a lot making tutus. You guys are

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 2>my company and thank you for that. Also have a

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Bachelor of Science in ornamental horticulture, so listening to the

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Bonce episode reminded me of an experience ad with a

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 2>bonsai master in a class I had in college. The

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>professor covered the art of bonsai leading up to this

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>man's visit. He covered the art, meticulous decisions made in

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 2>the shaping of the tree, etc. The day came when

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 2>the master was there to speak with us. We came

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 2>into class and all of his amazing work was displayed

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 2>around the classroom. It was really beautiful. Everyone sort of

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 2>spoke about it in hush stones, very reverent to each other. Finally,

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>the master, who was a rather tiny Japanese man, was

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 2>ready to demonstrate the technique for us. He unpotted the

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 2>plant in front of him, spoke about the shape and

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 2>what he felt would be the best way to train it,

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 2>and after this, he pulled out a club the size

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 2>of a baseball bat and beat the crap out of

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the root ball planning the need to control the plant,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one knew exactly how to react. I had

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<v Speaker 2>not thought about that for a really long time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to the show chuckling the whole time because

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I thought you might appreciate the story that

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<v Speaker 2>is from Nancy Gallagher, the Twutu maker.

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<v Speaker 1>Well thanks a lot, Nancy.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he was just trying to get the dirt away

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<v Speaker 2>from the roots, I don't know, or.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was he was just messing with him the

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<v Speaker 1>bad bonds. I, mister Miagi would never do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I worked with Pat Marita. Did I mention that on

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<v Speaker 2>the show? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>He did a music video that I worked on, Karate

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<v Speaker 2>Kid Spoof. Oh oh yeah, alien Ant Farm and I

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<v Speaker 2>worked with him and he was super nice and it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a couple of years before he died.

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<v Speaker 1>He's dead. Oh yeah, that's a shame.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he liked the white wine.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I think you told me the story before it,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to go fetch them some chardonnay. It like noon.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know what, how was Pat Marina

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<v Speaker 2>on the set of the music video? Sure, I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have a pa, fetch me some shardonay too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Remember he played Al, the replacement Al Arnold on

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Days. Arnold Al was the name of the actor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, from California. Pat Marita.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that to do with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that was an additional fact. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I just mean some people might see the karate kid

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<v Speaker 2>and only know that and think he's from Japan, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was putting on that accent. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a California dude, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like laid back kind of Oh yeah, shardonay guy.

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