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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's your pale Josh. For this week's select,

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Speaker 1: I've chosen our twenty sixteen episode on motion sickness, one

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Speaker 1: of the worst, non injurious, non life threatening things that

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Speaker 1: can happen to you. But don't worry. You won't get

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Speaker 1: motion sick just from listening and maybe knowing a little

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Speaker 1: more about it might help you avoid it. We can

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Speaker 1: only hope enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Joshua Clark. There's

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Speaker 1: Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over there. I'm speaking

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Speaker 1: in a monotone kind of.

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Speaker 2: Hey, dude, Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's going well. I'm not motion sick, so things are fine.

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Speaker 1: Do you get motion sick sometimes? I mean if the condition.

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Speaker 1: I was really surprised to find that not everybody gets

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Speaker 1: motion sick.

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Speaker 2: What are your conditions?

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Speaker 1: Poor ventilation and like lots of movement backseat of a car? Okay,

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Speaker 1: but anytime I read in a car, yeah, even like

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Speaker 1: glancing at my phone on a map. Really, if I

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Speaker 1: have to read anything, yeah, it gets me very quick.

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Speaker 1: So I've just learned like I can't do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I cannot do it, so I don't.

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Speaker 2: I get it a little bit too. I used to

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Speaker 2: get it more, I think when I was younger. Supposedly

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Speaker 2: it's normal. Supposedly it is. But I remember a very

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Speaker 2: specific story that my brother still laughs at.

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Speaker 1: And by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, boy, I'm glad. I said that I owe my brother,

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Speaker 2: my big brother, a big apology because I saw him

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Speaker 2: over the weekend and he said, oh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: I was just did an old episode and he said,

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Speaker 2: you'd never been a groom a best man. I was

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Speaker 2: the best man at my brother's wedding.

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Speaker 1: Oh out, man. I felt like a jerk, man, Scott,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know.

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Speaker 2: And what happened was when I said I hadn't, I

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Speaker 2: just like quickly scanned through my friends that have gotten married,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't think about my brother and I was

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Speaker 2: his best man. Boy, I know, man, what a jerk.

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Speaker 1: Well it's it's rectified.

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Speaker 2: Well I told him. I was like, you're going to

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Speaker 2: get a public apology, So there it is.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty public.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's public as it gets.

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Speaker 1: You could have also started a scores based website if

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Speaker 1: you wanted. It's really easy.

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Speaker 2: I might do that. So anyway, there's this old story

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Speaker 2: when we went to Disney Geez, which is the one

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Speaker 2: where Body Wars is at. I should have asked Holly.

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Speaker 2: From stuff you missed in history class, you.

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Speaker 1: Would know she probably senses that someone's talking about Disney

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Speaker 2: Body Wars either was or still is. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's still there. One of those rides that you

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Speaker 1: The car, like the Amazing Voyage or something, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you went inside a human body and we're traveling around.

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Speaker 2: I want to say Disney World, but I can't remember.

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Speaker 2: So I went in that and.

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Speaker 1: I mean waiting. You grew up in Atlanta, I'm guessing

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Speaker 2: Well, it definitely was at Disneyland, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it was Epcot Oh or Universal Studio or Disney World.

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Speaker 2: It was in Orlando.

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Speaker 1: So from what I understand, we have a buddy who

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Speaker 1: works for Disney, and he set me straight on this before,

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Speaker 1: and I think I've got it. So Disney World is

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Speaker 1: all of those. The Magic Kingdom is what you're specifying.

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Speaker 2: So Disney world includes Epcott and Universal Studios.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, I really hope I'm not mistake.

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Speaker 2: And the Magic Kingdom is specifically went with the Castle, right.

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Speaker 1: If I did get that wrong, Brandon, I apologize.

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Speaker 2: It's one with the castle and all the weird adults

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Speaker 2: Uh so body wars anyway, you're traveling through the body,

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Speaker 2: It's like, what are you talking about? It feels great?

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Speaker 1: but generally you you actually did puke.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I did not poke. You didn't, but generally,

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Speaker 2: I don't like it takes a certain thing, like a

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Speaker 2: You can read on a plane though I can't.

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Speaker 1: But usually it does come about with like poor ventilation

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Speaker 2: I'm sure all those things don't help.

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Speaker 1: The thing is for for as much as like we

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Speaker 2: I'm picturing little Josh because riding backwards is bad and

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Speaker 2: Dad has like salami socks on or something that stink, what,

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Speaker 1: Salami socks, like socks made of salami.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Like, whendn't that smelled gross?

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Speaker 1: He's wearing the skin of another person.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I was thinking sock smelled like old salami,

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Speaker 2: I'm just picturing you back there, like reading your Mad

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, I do remember being a kid and

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Speaker 1: when you're younger, you're more susceptible to motion sickness. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So you went opposite. Yeah weird. Yeah, well maybe you

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Speaker 2: leave that out there, all right. So twenty five to

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Speaker 2: So weird, and it can happen on planes, it can happen.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. This one University of Maryland side I went

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Speaker 2: to said the following are the most common risk factors

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Speaker 2: riding in a car, boat, airplane, or space shuttle. Really, yeah, nerds,

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Speaker 2: Just like they didn't even put amusement park ride. They

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Speaker 1: You know, one that I I hadn't seen before, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the slag can move and your eyes are

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Speaker 1: I don't get to you like another nerdy motion sickness,

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Speaker 2: So, like you said, age between two and twelve, you're

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Speaker 1: Well, it all has to do with sway theory, which

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Speaker 1: is true that like women are more susceptible just on average,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw some studies apparently.

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Speaker 1: Also Asian women Asian period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Penn State did a study and they put

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Speaker 1: Did you look into those?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Is it like a tilted whirl Dude?

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Speaker 1: Like if you went in for just a clinical study,

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Speaker 1: out to be a motion sickness study, you should leave.

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Speaker 2: No. I totally was.

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Speaker 1: So there's this thing called a optkinetic drum I believe

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Speaker 2: You man. There was a ride at six Flags over

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Speaker 2: Then they dropped the floor beneath you, and the centrifugal

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Speaker 1: It's like a spin cycle and a washing machine. You mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, the old story was that someone's leg got trapped

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Speaker 2: Back, because I'm sure that was an old wives tale.

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Speaker 1: Although I was on Snoops the other day and I

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Speaker 1: you know, the urban legend about some girl who got

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Speaker 1: off of her head. I know, but it actually did happen.

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Speaker 1: So it's possible someone's leg got sucked into the tilta world.

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Speaker 2: Well, but then what happens is it happened to every

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Speaker 1: Right right. It just happened to my cousin's friend.

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Speaker 2: Right, all right. So the Penn State study they put

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Speaker 2: people in these torture machines and interestingly, they did confirm

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Speaker 1: It's called the sensory conflict theory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great? And then like everything you heard was have

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. I posted an article on Facebook not

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure they're going to be all over our

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Speaker 2: Now, I like some of James Cameron's stuff, but if

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's great. So it was your Archbarker.

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Speaker 1: A fop, That's what it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a dude, Thomas Staffragen or Stuffragen. I'm

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Speaker 2: Yes. And the point he makes is if everyone truly

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. The the sensory conflict one makes a

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, should we take a break and talk

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Sure, all right? Josh Michael treesmaneteen seven, twenty seven in

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Speaker 1: some sort of toxin because the vestibular the vestibular system

438
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 1: is out of whack from motion sickness, So it gets

439
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 1: nauseated and ultimately might vomit as a reflex to get

440
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 1: rid of whatever toxin it thinks has been ingested. It's

441
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: basically a case of mistaken identity. I think it explains

442
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: it perfectly. Yeah, it makes sense to me.

443
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: I could see a little bit. Yeah, I think what

444
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 2: what Stuffragen is saying is that you're used to regaining

445
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 2: your balance. You spend your entire life learning this system,

446
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: and that if it's thrown off, what he doesn't do

447
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: is connect it. I believe. I believe you're right, he

448
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: doesn't connect it in the end, like something that happens

449
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: in your brain.

450
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: Right, why the physiological reaction.

451
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, Yeah, he.

452
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 1: Does have some pretty good evidence backing his idea. Of

453
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: sway theory up though, So again, women are more susceptible

454
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: to motion sickness than men, right, Yes, that's what they say. Well,

455
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 1: he says, aha, Well, sway theory explains this. Kids are

456
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: equally susceptible to both genders are equally susceptible to motion

457
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: sickness before puberty. Then after puberty, the bodies change, and

458
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: where women and men hold most of their weight is different. Right,

459
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: Women hold it mostly around their hips, Men hold it

460
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: more around their chest, and that means that the center

461
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: of gravity is different, which means the amount that we

462
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: sway is different.

463
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think who does he say sways? Women

464
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: sway farther but slower but slower.

465
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: Men sway faster but within a tighter area.

466
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 2: And these are micro sways.

467
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that like most people move

468
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: no more than like an inch to any given side. Yeah,

469
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: and even then you're like Barney on the Simpsons when

470
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: he walked out for that like bachelor auction.

471
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then there's also land sickness, which is interesting.

472
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

473
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: I didn't look too much into it, but I have

474
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 2: heard of it, which is basically the concept that if

475
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: you're a sailor, right then you've gotten or you know,

476
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: just somebody who's been on boats enough. You don't have

477
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: to be a professional. You get your sea legs so

478
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 2: well that you get land sickness.

479
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

480
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: When you get back, yeah, and you're on solid ground,

481
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't know.

482
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: What to do, right, because your brain's so used to

483
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: things moving that it perceives that it's moving even though

484
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: it's not.

485
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 2: Do you want to say the French name for it?

486
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: Milde barkmont close? Let me look, I wasn't even looking

487
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: that was you forgot the middle part? Well, then you

488
00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: say it.

489
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: There's a qui in the middle. So maybe mal de barcumen.

490
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: I said mal Debarkamon, mel debarquemon bark moon have barbecue, mallt.

491
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: I love that when we do this stuff, there's it's

492
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: probably literally fifty percent people laughing and fifty percent people

493
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: want to kill us.

494
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah a lot of people want to

495
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: kill us. I can live with that as long as

496
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: they never do.

497
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: All right, So should we go over some some things

498
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: that you can do to prevent it?

499
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: Because I mean that that whole segment on what explains

500
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: motion sickness is kind of petered out, But that's the

501
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: state of science right now.

502
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, although they I will say, they have looked at

503
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: the twenty three and me for the genetic side, and

504
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: have found some support for both claims.

505
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: I think that they're together. I do too, Like I think,

506
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: if yes, your your swaying system is set up in

507
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: a certain way, and why can't that be a component that,

508
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: along with the vestibular system and your sight and all

509
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: that is affected and creates motion sickness. I just don't

510
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: understand why it has to be one or the other.

511
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: That was the impression that I had he was trying

512
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: to really come get across, is that it's no, it's

513
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: its own thing. Yeah, yeah, I think that's weird. So

514
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: what do you what do you go to if you

515
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: get motions sick?

516
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: Well, they say to keep your eyes on the horizon,

517
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: whether you're in a car or a boat or whatever.

518
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: That that'll help cuts down on motion, right or the

519
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: sensation of motion. I'm not sure I think so, because

520
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: think about it, when you look at stuff that's close

521
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: to the car, it's blurring by. It's the horizon sting. Yeah,

522
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: constant look.

523
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: At you keep your head still so you can lay

524
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: down if you're able to somewhere, or at least put

525
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: your head back against the seat. Yeah, just sort of

526
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: keep it as still as possible. Don't smoke.

527
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: Sure, they just good advice all around.

528
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: Exactly if you're gonna fly, they say to avoid big,

529
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: greasy meals and alcohol the night before, and eat light

530
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: meals or snacks low en calories the day of.

531
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, you do want to have something in your stomach, though,

532
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: because that's.

533
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: Just can't help empty stomach. No good, right, turn that

534
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: air vent. Whether you're in your car or a plane

535
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: or a boat, you want some fresh air blowing on

536
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: your face, ideally or at least recycled air.

537
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: I felt this bed since then, Anita Bryant Hunt.

538
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: Sit in the front of the airplane or over a wing, supposedly.

539
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rear of the airplane.

540
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: Can you tell a difference?

541
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: Oh man, really, you just get whipped around back and forth.

542
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: It's way worse if you get motion sick. You should

543
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: never sit behind the wings of the airplane.

544
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: See I love the last car of a roller coaster though.

545
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you're feeling it more. Yeah, you're enjoying it more.

546
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: You don't get motion sick.

547
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: What else avoids salty foods? Before you travel.

548
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: There's also remedies too, right, So the jury's out on

549
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: whether ginger actually helps or not if it's just a

550
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: placebo effect.

551
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: Ginger, peppermint, and black horehound apparently are some of the

552
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 2: herbs that may or may not work. Who knows.

553
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: I can tell you firsthand, and I looked it up.

554
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: See bands, acupressure bracelets. Yeah, that go on your wrist,

555
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: three fingers with down from the heel of your palm.

556
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: The pericardium six So was the acupuncture point.

557
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: I saw research that showed that neither placebo nor the

558
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: acupressure bands had any effect on motion sickness. I can

559
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: tell you that even if it is just placebo, they

560
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: still work. Oh yeah, the firsthand, they work all right,

561
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: even if it's placebo. I don't care. That's fine because

562
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: it keeps me from being motion sick.

563
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

564
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kept me and you me from being motion

565
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: sick on an entire cruise.

566
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: But would you have been motion sick without it?

567
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we had. We didn't use it for one

568
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: day and we fell immediately.

569
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I brought one on my only cruise that I

570
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: went to, and I don't think I wore it because

571
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: I didn't need to.

572
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: We had like divots on our wrisk because we just

573
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: had them on like the whole time. Yeah you should

574
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: bring it just in case.

575
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure.

576
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: We also had scopalamine. Yeah, and we didn't even use

577
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: it because the sea bands work so well.

578
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: Drama meine is that the same thing or is no different?

579
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: Scopal of meine is that stuff that like they drug

580
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: people with and then it's like remember in our truth

581
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: Sier episode we talked about scopel of me Oh yeah,

582
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: it's like a drug in South America where they'll they'll

583
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: dose you with it and then you end up like

584
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: just basically becoming zombified and don't remember anything. Yeah, it's

585
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: the same stuff, but it doles the messages from your

586
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: inner ear to your brain, so your sensation of motion

587
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: has decreased.

588
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: Nice homeopathy. There haven't been a ton of studies about

589
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: the effective effectiveness of specific remedies, but they do say

590
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: things like borax, calculus, petroleum cpo, tabacum.

591
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: Dude, So we're going to hear from so many people

592
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: just for having even uttered the word homeopathy.

593
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: Is that how you say it? Homeopathy?

594
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: No, it goes both ways. Okay, Yeah, I know, I mean,

595
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: nothing drives people more crazy than that. I know they're

596
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: going to go berserk mark my word.

597
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: Because it's not you know, well, well I said that

598
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: that take it or leave it basically. Yeah, some people

599
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: swear by it. Yeah, man, some people think it's uh.

600
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: From what I have ever seen, it's like the biggest

601
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: flash point like of anything, of anything that skeptics talk about.

602
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: Nothing drives them crazier than homeopathy. Yeah, yeah, like make

603
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: some nuts. It's kind of funny to watch.

604
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: It does, because then you people say you shouldn't even

605
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: say Western versus Eastern medicine. You should say proven science

606
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: versus like witchcraft.

607
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: Did people say that on Facebook?

608
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get really like, you shouldn't even say say it.

609
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: I said, you can't say it. Don't even say it?

610
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: Josh, what else?

611
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm making fun of you.

612
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: Mind body medicine, biofeedback, training, and relaxation. They did a

613
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: study of fifty five pilots who had to stop flying

614
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: due to motion sickness, which, by the way, I didn't

615
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: know that, Like that frightens me just knowing that that.

616
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: A pilot can get motion say yeah, but think about

617
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: it for the pilot. That's like career ending. Oh, I'm

618
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: sure you know.

619
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: Seventy six percent of them got over their motion sickness

620
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: and were able to return to work after biofeedback training

621
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: and relaxation programs. So basically they sit in that tilta whirl,

622
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: bring it on, and then biofeedback instruments record temperature, muscle tension,

623
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: and they use relaxation techniques and mental imagery in the

624
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: chair and over time, it's sort of like cognitive behavioral therapy,

625
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: which is another thing that they use, which is like,

626
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: you know, get in the chair right and do it

627
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: until right. It doesn't affect you any exposure therapy, right. Yeah.

628
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: There's this guy named Sam Puma who's a physician and

629
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: aeronautics engineer. I think maybe at the very least, he's

630
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: worked in the aerospace industry for a really long time,

631
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: and he has come up with some habituation exercises where

632
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: basically you kind of mildly expose your body to the

633
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: kind of movements it's going to expect on like a

634
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: space shuttle or whatever ahead of your trip, and you can,

635
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: he says, you can be prepared and not have any

636
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: motion sickness and as little as a weak huh. Yeah,

637
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: and I guess it checks.

638
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: Out, yeah, because it sounds like, you know, come on,

639
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: what's this guy selling me?

640
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: Right?

641
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: But then the Atlantic author she said, you know, no,

642
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: apparently it's a real thing.

643
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

644
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: And then another good tip that I saw was, if

645
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: you're in a car and you're not driving, pretend like

646
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: you're driving. You might feel silly, but you know, pretend

647
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: like you're driving, maybe even to your hands and anticipate

648
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: the curves and things.

649
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe give them a little horn, a little imaginary

650
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: horn once an order.

651
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

652
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. The reason why the best seat in a car

653
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: is the drivers because you can anticipate the movements the

654
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: car is gonna make. Yeah, which supports sway theory if

655
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: you think about it, true because you can counteract it.

656
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 2: Do you ever have one of those passengers in your

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Speaker 2: car that hits the fake brake because they're nervous. Sure,

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Speaker 2: it's like just an involuntary action. You see them stomp

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Speaker 2: their foot on the floorboard. It's pretty funny. I have

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Speaker 2: one friend in particular that does that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, uh, let's see. I guess that's it, right,

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Speaker 1: I got nothing else. If you want to learn more

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Speaker 1: about motion sickness, you can type those words in the

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Speaker 1: search bar at HowStuffWorks dot com. And since I said

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Speaker 1: search bar, it's time for the listener mayl.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call this fond sid to to Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: love the show. I'm a two two maker who knew,

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Speaker 2: but you know.

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Speaker 1: Somebody makes them. Sure they don't just grow on trees.

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Speaker 2: Not anymore. I'm a two two maker and work alone

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Speaker 2: in my studio a lot making tutus. You guys are

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Speaker 2: my company and thank you for that. Also have a

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Speaker 2: Bachelor of Science in ornamental horticulture, so listening to the

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Speaker 2: Bonce episode reminded me of an experience ad with a

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Speaker 2: bonsai master in a class I had in college. The

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Speaker 2: professor covered the art of bonsai leading up to this

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Speaker 2: man's visit. He covered the art, meticulous decisions made in

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Speaker 2: the shaping of the tree, etc. The day came when

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Speaker 2: the master was there to speak with us. We came

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Speaker 2: into class and all of his amazing work was displayed

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Speaker 2: around the classroom. It was really beautiful. Everyone sort of

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Speaker 2: spoke about it in hush stones, very reverent to each other. Finally,

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Speaker 2: the master, who was a rather tiny Japanese man, was

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Speaker 2: ready to demonstrate the technique for us. He unpotted the

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Speaker 2: plant in front of him, spoke about the shape and

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Speaker 2: what he felt would be the best way to train it,

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Speaker 2: and after this, he pulled out a club the size

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Speaker 2: of a baseball bat and beat the crap out of

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Speaker 2: the root ball planning the need to control the plant,

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Speaker 2: and no one knew exactly how to react. I had

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Speaker 2: not thought about that for a really long time, and

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Speaker 2: I listened to the show chuckling the whole time because

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Speaker 2: of it. I thought you might appreciate the story that

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Speaker 2: is from Nancy Gallagher, the Twutu maker.

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Speaker 1: Well thanks a lot, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he was just trying to get the dirt away

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Speaker 2: from the roots, I don't know, or.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was he was just messing with him the

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Speaker 1: bad bonds. I, mister Miagi would never do that.

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Speaker 2: I worked with Pat Marita. Did I mention that on

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Speaker 2: the show? No?

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Speaker 1: Was it?

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Speaker 2: He did a music video that I worked on, Karate

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Speaker 2: Kid Spoof. Oh oh yeah, alien Ant Farm and I

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Speaker 2: worked with him and he was super nice and it

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Speaker 2: was just a couple of years before he died.

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Speaker 1: He's dead. Oh yeah, that's a shame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he liked the white wine.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think you told me the story before it,

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Speaker 1: so I was familiar.

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Speaker 2: I had to go fetch them some chardonnay. It like noon.

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, how was Pat Marina

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Speaker 2: on the set of the music video? Sure, I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: I'd have a pa, fetch me some shardonay too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Remember he played Al, the replacement Al Arnold on

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Speaker 1: Happy Days. Arnold Al was the name of the actor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, from California. Pat Marita.

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Speaker 1: What's that to do with it?

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Speaker 2: Nothing?

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Speaker 1: Oh that was an additional fact. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just mean some people might see the karate kid

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Speaker 2: and only know that and think he's from Japan, right,

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Speaker 2: but he was putting on that accent. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a California dude, totally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like laid back kind of Oh yeah, shardonay guy.

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