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Speaker 2: In episode one thirty eight, What's right with Nick? Right,
Speaker 2: Demons is back. He has a few shows left with us,
Speaker 2: but maybe there's We're not sure when they're gonna be
Speaker 2: until he moves to LA and then is off for
Speaker 2: a bit and then is back late at least back
Speaker 2: on the show. But a proud parent moment for me
Speaker 2: if I may three kids and Demonse just got back
Speaker 2: from Los Angeles, where he found an apartment, signed the lease,
Speaker 2: got ready for his whole new life in LA. Five
Speaker 2: minutes living five minutes from work, which in LA is
Speaker 2: such a wine. I was following someone on Twitter yesterday
Speaker 2: that showed that the drive from Santa Monica to Hollywood
Speaker 2: at some time yesterday the drive was thirty minutes longer
Speaker 2: than the bike ride because the traffic was so bad
Speaker 2: and you're in a spot. So Demanse doing big things,
Speaker 2: just shy of his twenty fifth birthday. His youngest sister, Deanna,
Speaker 2: fresh off being cast as Annie in Annie at her
Speaker 2: school for her school theater, for their big theater of
Speaker 2: she just got cast without well, she just got cast
Speaker 2: as Charlotte in Charlotte's Web in their next production. And
Speaker 2: Demand's middle sister is living her best I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: let's just be honest, want to be rich New York
Speaker 2: City kid life, having gone from Cabo to Aruba and
Speaker 2: is currently on the bus to her friend's house in
Speaker 2: the Hamptons where she's just spending the weekend before she
Speaker 2: goes off to college. So all the kids doing great.
Speaker 2: Demonse's younger sister, not the youngest, but the one you
Speaker 2: guys have not seen yet, is the one who, over
Speaker 2: the next few weeks is going to be sitting in
Speaker 2: Demansey's seat because her bougie school has decided that for
Speaker 2: seniors at this part of the school year. Don't need
Speaker 2: to go to school anymore. Tuition stays the same, believe
Speaker 2: it or not. But they do something called Bridge where
Speaker 2: they do like professional things. So is gonna be hosting
Speaker 2: this show alongside me for a few weeks. But let's
Speaker 2: get right to the show. It's great to have you back.
Speaker 2: Here's what is not on today's show. Baseball Opening Day
Speaker 2: missed the cut. Gotta tell you my apologies kind of
Speaker 2: snuck up on me here, but it missed the cut.
Speaker 2: A six billion dollar bid for the Washington Commanders. Two
Speaker 2: six billion dollar bids, which, as my buddy Kevin Wilde said,
Speaker 2: uh means six billions on enough. If two people will
Speaker 2: pay it, then somebody's gotta pay more. Speaking of my
Speaker 2: buddy Kevin Wilds, so I gotta well and also light
Speaker 2: the beam Sacramento ending the playoff drought that is going
Speaker 2: to find its way into the show at some point.
Speaker 2: There's demands top of a Sacramento sign with a beam
Speaker 2: coming out of his chest. We're watching us on YouTube.
Speaker 2: I would like to say something about Kevin Wilds. So,
Speaker 2: Kevin Wilds went on the Bill Simmons podcast, which is
Speaker 2: the biggest sports podcast in the world, he's gone on
Speaker 2: it for years, and he does a thing called half
Speaker 2: baked ideas, and they're very funny. Typically, So one of
Speaker 2: his half baked ideas was, if you're going out to
Speaker 2: a bar or a football game or anywhere people might
Speaker 2: want to fight and you don't want to fight, a
Speaker 2: product product called detachable cauliflower ear that you put on
Speaker 2: you know what college flower ear is that the UFC
Speaker 2: fighters had exactly right, that you walk in and before
Speaker 2: you walk in you put it on there like it
Speaker 2: was a really funny, I thought, good idea. Another one
Speaker 2: of his half baked ideas was a barber dentist, which
Speaker 2: was every time you go to the b's that when
Speaker 2: you get your haircut at the barber shop, you also
Speaker 2: get a teeth cleaning. That way, the dentist doesn't yell
Speaker 2: at you for not having clean teeth and you don't
Speaker 2: have to talk to anybody. Thought that was a good idea.
Speaker 2: But those are his types of half baked ideas. Snuck
Speaker 2: into the middle of Kevin Wild's half bake was this
Speaker 2: take and I quote, what about this bill challenge bait
Speaker 2: in the NFL? Well, what's that, Kevin? And this was
Speaker 2: the example he used do you remember the NFC Championship game,
Speaker 2: DeVante Smith caught the ball but didn't actually catch the ball,
Speaker 2: and they hit that signal, which was to his team
Speaker 2: saying I didn't catch it. Letturi up teams coaching their
Speaker 2: guys when they know they caught it to have a
Speaker 2: separate signal, start freaking out, rush to the line to
Speaker 2: get the other team to challenge while ago, Oh, you feel.
Speaker 3: Like I did. Oh, it's idea.
Speaker 2: It's because the day after that game, I gave that
Speaker 2: exact idea, calling it challenge bait and saying that team
Speaker 2: would do it eventually. Kevin Wilds two months later, does
Speaker 2: it on a podcast with ten XR subscribers, and now
Speaker 2: he gets credit for it.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was where you were going with it,
Speaker 3: Like I said something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I said something like that about that exact moment.
Speaker 2: I've looked this guy in the eye and do tell
Speaker 2: out here stealing my stuff and not even doing it
Speaker 2: just so shamelessly. Because again all his other one of
Speaker 2: his you know what, another one of his half baked
Speaker 2: ideas was a roomba. You know what, a room is
Speaker 2: one of those robotic vacuums. Oh yeah, a roomba that
Speaker 2: has on top of it like a doll that looks
Speaker 2: like one of those girls from the Shining that goes
Speaker 2: around your house at night, so in case anyone ever
Speaker 2: breaks in, they freak out and think you have ghost.
Speaker 2: They're all very funny, they're all very good ideas. They
Speaker 2: all also have nothing to do with sports, and they
Speaker 2: all except for the one that he took from me.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the show, Tomanse. Sorry, Wilds,
Speaker 2: but that's you and me. You and me. We're done, professor,
Speaker 2: We're done. Go ahead, all right.
Speaker 4: So the lamar fiasco continues, and it's getting pretty strange.
Speaker 3: Man. You think him not having an agent has no
Speaker 3: excuse for teams not wanting if we're being truthful.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now he's on Twitter constantly causing a ruckus logical
Speaker 4: teams like Atlanta and Washington are openly passing on it.
Speaker 3: Could he end up forcing himself out of the league entirely?
Speaker 2: Okay? That seems extreme. It is not off the board,
Speaker 2: because he could. You could sit out this year. He
Speaker 2: could sit out this year. So there's so much here. First,
Speaker 2: let me say this, Lamartin needs better people around for
Speaker 2: a number of reasons. One is he send out these
Speaker 2: tweets that and I don't want to be rude, but
Speaker 2: they're not well crafted messages if you are trying to
Speaker 2: interview a sin actually for jobs across the league. Now,
Speaker 2: I understand some might say his interview processes turn on
Speaker 2: the film. I get that, but quarterback is the most
Speaker 2: public facing position for a franchise, and it is specially
Speaker 2: if you have any holes in your game or any concerns.
Speaker 2: Folks are gonna nitpick everything, and there is a very
Speaker 2: unfair but it is reality of a double standard of
Speaker 2: how we evaluate still to this day, black quarterbacks and
Speaker 2: whether people question their processing and all this stuff, which
Speaker 2: ultimately is just questioning their intelligence. And Lamar's poorly phrased
Speaker 2: tweets do not help him.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you a nothing doesn't help him. He said,
Speaker 2: check out my fan page. This is Lamar Jackson's website.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna show it to you, Demanse. It does
Speaker 2: not look like a website.
Speaker 4: Of of a of a multi exactly right if you were.
Speaker 2: His about me page on the website has accolades like
Speaker 2: two time Pro Bowler League MVP. Just bullet points College
Speaker 2: is the only player, like this is not this.
Speaker 3: Is It makes me feel so bad for Lamar.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it. That's what when I say, listen, I couldn't
Speaker 2: design a website, by the way, if I designed a website,
Speaker 2: you gotta have a team around you. And the team
Speaker 2: around him that he evidently has is this dude his
Speaker 2: business partner, Ken, who the was reported was calling teams
Speaker 2: on his behalf even though he's not an agent. Lamar
Speaker 2: said he's not calling teams.
Speaker 3: By the way.
Speaker 2: He and I are releasing the entire gym, which is
Speaker 2: just like a portable gym setup, and that's his business partner.
Speaker 2: Lamar also promised an interview with Big Trust Productions that
Speaker 2: an you hasn't come. He's not handling this properly he
Speaker 2: needs and by again, this is not me coming. And
Speaker 2: then I'll talk about the NFL side of it, because
Speaker 2: I think I think so many people are watching this
Speaker 2: in so many directions, right the Ravens other teams and
Speaker 2: Lamar the other I am not coming down on him
Speaker 2: in a judgmental way. It is more advice, Like people
Speaker 2: that think they can be experts at multiple things are
Speaker 2: usually fooling themselves. So I will use myself as an example.
Speaker 2: I don't really understand how finances, investments, taxes, any of
Speaker 2: that stuff works. I've never studied it, never taken the time.
Speaker 2: I have a very base level understanding. I pay somebody.
Speaker 2: Matt says they can tell from all my tags beets
Speaker 2: fair enough. That came out fine in the end. Boys,
Speaker 2: I maybe you guys don't remember twenty seven nothing. I
Speaker 2: remember twenty seven nothing quite well? Uh that I pay
Speaker 2: somebody to handle all of that for me because I
Speaker 2: don't know how to do it. I now that is
Speaker 2: risky in its own regard. You have to a lot
Speaker 2: of athletes. When that happens to those people then steal
Speaker 2: money from them. You gotta monitor it, and you gotta
Speaker 2: have some level of understanding to make sure you're not
Speaker 2: being you know, swindles. Yeah, but there are certain Your
Speaker 2: mom has built this entire store, designed, every piece of
Speaker 2: it has done. We do the store from we do
Speaker 2: the show for my wife's boutique and Harlem called Trintage.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. She is not great at promotion social media stuff.
Speaker 2: She hired somebody to run that for the store, someone
Speaker 2: who that's what they're an expert in. Now life is
Speaker 2: much much harder obviously if you don't have the financial
Speaker 2: resources to farm out these things. But if you do
Speaker 2: and you are trying to maximize your value and all
Speaker 2: of this, it's almost your responsibility to farm it out.
Speaker 2: And it'd be one thing if it's like, Nope, I
Speaker 2: can do all of it and I'm handling this perfectly.
Speaker 2: He's not, And I do wish he had better people
Speaker 2: around him. Sorry to you know a football topic already
Speaker 2: invoke Lebron, but one of the smartest things Lebron ever
Speaker 2: did was get the people around him that he trusts
Speaker 2: the most in the world, identify what their specific talents were,
Speaker 2: use his resources to get them trained in those fields,
Speaker 2: and then have those people run his empire. Maverick was
Speaker 2: always a super sharp guy. Maverick and him were tight.
Speaker 2: Maverick was senior, Lebron was freshman. They won a state
Speaker 2: championship title together. Maverick went on to play some college basketball.
Speaker 2: Maverick went to go work for Nike learn I think
Speaker 2: it was Nike learn about a lot of meet with
Speaker 2: very rich, very powerful people, learn what he needed to learn.
Speaker 2: And Maverick is a brilliant guy. And now Maverick has
Speaker 2: helped build Lebron's empire. Lebron met Rich Paul in a
Speaker 2: parking lot when Rich was hustling throwback jerseys. He understood
Speaker 2: that Rich had a lot of the best traits you
Speaker 2: need to be an agent. Rich went and worked for
Speaker 2: Lebron's agent at Cia, learned the business part of that business,
Speaker 2: took his natural skills, and Lebron empowered him to go
Speaker 2: help start his own agency, which now one of the
Speaker 2: best in the world. That is one of the reasons
Speaker 2: he's never had any real public missteps is he has
Speaker 2: these people around him that can help protect him so
Speaker 2: he can focus on, as he says, keep the main thing,
Speaker 2: the main thing. I know it sounds like almost silly,
Speaker 2: but any of the top top level athletes can either
Speaker 2: follow the traditional path of hiring people that are already established,
Speaker 2: or Lebron's path of making your own people the established
Speaker 2: people trying to go it alone, especially when you are
Speaker 2: also trying to thread the needle of in your prime
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback changing teams are getting a fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 2: It's too much. It's too much. Go ahead, Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I think it's I get that he hasn't hired people,
Speaker 3: but I still think it.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. Okay, We're not gonna hire Lamar Jackson because
Speaker 4: his PR team or his negotiating skills aren't great. You
Speaker 4: know that Lamar Jackson's good at football.
Speaker 2: Okay. So it's just like, so that is where I
Speaker 2: feel like everyone else has botched this. So let's do
Speaker 2: the Ravens in the rest of the league. The Ravens,
Speaker 2: as I've mentioned before, they've been negotiating with Lamar Jackson
Speaker 2: for twenty five months. Deshaun Watson got his deal thirteen
Speaker 2: months ago, so they had a full year and when
Speaker 2: the same draft class, Josh Allen got a new deal.
Speaker 2: When a three years in is when you give a
Speaker 2: guy a new deal a full year before fully guaranteed
Speaker 2: was ever on the board, when you could have signed
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, they didn't. They now have soured the relationship
Speaker 2: to a point to where they might lose a twenty
Speaker 2: six year old in his prime, unquestioned top ten quarterback.
Speaker 2: We could argue about would you rather have Lamar or Trevor?
Speaker 2: You want to argue you quick.
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers got picked up after having Lamar Jackson had
Speaker 4: a better season than Aaron Rodgers when he was in
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 3: He obviously got hurt.
Speaker 4: There's no questions like, hey, I picked up immediately and
Speaker 4: he was calling the shots.
Speaker 2: So there now, and he's tenures, that's thirteen years older.
Speaker 2: Bad season. Now, he's not as expensive as Lamar is
Speaker 2: going to be. So here's the other part of it.
Speaker 2: I do in my buddy Danny Parkins, who does radio
Speaker 2: in Chicago and also a great podcast called First and Pod,
Speaker 2: makes this point, and this point is correct. The single
Speaker 2: most expensive way to acquire talent in the NFL is
Speaker 2: trade for a player who's not on your team and
Speaker 2: give him the new contract. You're paying the top of
Speaker 2: the market contract and you're giving up draft picks.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It's so it's the most expensive way to get talent,
Speaker 2: the way that the Dolphin's got Tyreek Kill is the
Speaker 2: most expensive way to get a top flight receiver. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna pay you more than a receiver, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give up draft picks for the opportunity to pay you
Speaker 2: more than any receiver, the way the Broncos got Russell Wilson,
Speaker 2: the way the Browns got Nashawan Watson. Right, So it
Speaker 2: is not quite And so with Rogers, the contract is
Speaker 2: very expensive, but it is already in place, and it's
Speaker 2: not gonna be two first round picks at a minimum,
Speaker 2: which Lamar would be. So I understand why it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be twenty teams going after him.
Speaker 4: The teams are saying that his his style of play,
Speaker 4: you know, is risky and he'll get hurt. But like
Speaker 4: him and Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers obviously much older, how
Speaker 4: much longer does he have in the league. Lamar Jackson
Speaker 4: young just got MVP a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. But I also do think that if
Speaker 2: Lamar had, if he had two years left on his
Speaker 2: deal and he was going to go for probably a
Speaker 2: second round pick and ish, that that's a different you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. That is a different situation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't change the fact that Carson Wentz went
Speaker 2: for a first round pick two years ago. That doesn't
Speaker 2: change the fact that I understand why teams don't want
Speaker 2: to do what the Browns did because everyone thinks the
Speaker 2: Browns made a bad deal, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But the idea that there would be no market for him,
Speaker 2: to me is an example of the NFL, and this
Speaker 2: is where Lamar has to be careful. The NFL's ownership
Speaker 2: simply saying, we collectively are not crossing the rubicon of
Speaker 2: all of these quarterbacks getting guaranteed deals exactly right. And
Speaker 2: that is where I think good, good management would tell Lamar, Amen,
Speaker 2: they are conspiring against you. The deal you want is
Speaker 2: not coming. Doesn't mean I can't get a great deal,
Speaker 2: you know. It doesn't mean that we can find a
Speaker 2: way to get you a deal that is mostly guaranteed
Speaker 2: a ton of protections. But the things we're hearing, like
Speaker 2: Arthur Blank, who they were all in on Deshaun Watson saying, well,
Speaker 2: it's a different situation. You know, the injury risk and
Speaker 2: every game is precious. You were all in on a
Speaker 2: player the first of all, injury risk. DeShawn has torn
Speaker 2: both acls. Second of all, you knew he was going
Speaker 2: to be suspended. You know, you knew if you're traded
Speaker 2: for Deshaun, he was missing time. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Lamar might get hurt, might not get hurt, but it's
Speaker 2: not like he's already hurt and it's he's gonna miss
Speaker 2: the first happen tweet.
Speaker 3: The other day.
Speaker 4: It's like Lamar's pray style, how he sold mobile and
Speaker 4: runs around a lot. He hasn't gotten hurt, like playing
Speaker 4: the way that he plays, you know, traditional passages exactly
Speaker 4: like in the pocket. He never gets hurt when he's
Speaker 4: running away.
Speaker 2: He's I feel like, speak to his game, correct, I listen.
Speaker 2: I do understand concern. Okay, I think he's in some
Speaker 2: quarters an underrated passer, but like I think his deep
Speaker 2: ball is excellent. Steven Ruiz wrote about this. His ability
Speaker 2: to change arm angles Allah Mahomes is very good. Where
Speaker 2: Lamar is not great passing compared to the other great
Speaker 2: quarterbacks is on what I would call easy throws, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like Sal He's not as consistent
Speaker 2: on the layups as you would like a great quarterback
Speaker 2: to be get that. I understand that. But if we
Speaker 2: are being as negative as possible about Lamar, let's list
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks that you could the most quarterbacks you could
Speaker 2: say are better than him, and we will tie goes
Speaker 2: to the other quarterback. Okay, Patrick, Josh, Josh, Joe, justin Trevor. Again,
Speaker 2: if ties go to the other quarterback, and I think
Speaker 2: Trevor has it because he's the traditional pack up, pack
Speaker 2: these things working where he's younger, all that stuff, all right.
Speaker 2: So now we're at five, Aaron Aaron Jalen Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2: Now we're at seven. Is that the end of the list.
Speaker 2: I think it is. You want to say Stafford because
Speaker 2: he's won a Super Bowl. Now he's a massive injury risk.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can say Stafford. I don't think
Speaker 2: you can say.
Speaker 3: Dak No, definitely not Russell.
Speaker 2: Can't say Russell can't. That's the list if we are
Speaker 2: being the the you know what, Tua may I think
Speaker 2: that now that's a no. You can't say to a
Speaker 2: because he's the biggest injury risk right now in the
Speaker 2: league because of concussion stuff, because you could have one
Speaker 2: more concussion be done with football.
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones a tie as well.
Speaker 2: So okay, okay, but so here's the so again, at worse,
Speaker 2: she's the eighth or ninth best quarterback in football. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there should be a market, and I think there are
Speaker 2: teams like Miami making a mistake not considering this, closing
Speaker 2: the door on the the Miami just picked Now maybe
Speaker 2: they haven't. They just picked up to his fifty year option.
Speaker 2: They could maybe include him in a trade. Detroit. We've
Speaker 2: talked about Indy. Obviously there San Francisco money, they'd be
Speaker 2: in hell, but they'd win the Super Bowl. So that
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, at least to me. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: so here is what I think is going to happen.
Speaker 2: I think that what we're going to end up seeing
Speaker 2: is the market heat up after the draft. So right now,
Speaker 2: if you try to sign Lamar Jackson and the Ravens
Speaker 2: see what you sign him to and say okay, you
Speaker 2: can have him, you lose this year's draft pick and
Speaker 2: next year's draft. If you do it after the draft,
Speaker 2: you lose next year's draft pick and the year after.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it follow logic that every single team that would
Speaker 2: want Lamar Jackson would believe we're going to get much better.
Speaker 2: So our first round pick next year will be considerably
Speaker 2: worse than our first round pick this year. So take
Speaker 2: the Colts, for instance, if they were to sign Lamar
Speaker 2: Jackson right now, they give up the fourth overall pick
Speaker 2: and next year's pick. If they're thinking we're gonna sign
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson because we're gonna win the division and be
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, that'll be the twentieth pick and the
Speaker 2: following year's pick. The New England Patriots are a team
Speaker 2: that I think should be in it. The Patriots. Where
Speaker 2: are they drafting the pick? No, the Patriots are They
Speaker 2: were eight and nine, so they're drafting like eleventh or
Speaker 2: fourteenth or something. I'll look it up real quick.
Speaker 3: Surprise.
Speaker 4: Lamar had interesting going there, to be honest, I just
Speaker 4: I think that's see him wanting to go to Man.
Speaker 2: I think players that have played against Belichick, they are
Speaker 2: the drafting Patriot chef from fourteen have massive respect for him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think Lamar looks at it like Man, that defense,
Speaker 2: that running game.
Speaker 3: That Now.
Speaker 2: If I were Lamar, I would ideally want to just
Speaker 2: go to the NFC where I could be maybe the
Speaker 2: best quarterback. And that's why Detroit so Detroit. If I'm Detroit,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I have the sixth and eighteenth picks
Speaker 2: this year. I can use those on premier defensive players.
Speaker 2: I can then trade Jared Goff for probably a second
Speaker 2: round pick some stuff and use my following too. You know,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five first rounders to
Speaker 2: sign Lamar and in an NFC North who the starting
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are Kirk Cousins, Justin Fields who will see on
Speaker 2: and Jordan Love who will see on can go do
Speaker 2: real damage? I think something happens here. I also wish
Speaker 2: Lamar would call up David Mulegetta, who was Deshaun Watson's agent,
Speaker 2: and say, hey, man, what'd you do? This guy was
Speaker 2: facing twenty three credible lawsuits, He had not played in
Speaker 2: a full year, he had torn his ACL once already.
Speaker 2: He had won one solitary playoff game, just like me.
Speaker 2: You got a bidding war that ended up with a
Speaker 2: team giving up three first rounders and a fully guaranteed deal. Now,
Speaker 2: maybe you can't get that for me. What can you
Speaker 2: get for me?
Speaker 3: Yea?
Speaker 2: And by the way, I don't want to pay three percent.
Speaker 2: I want to pay one and a half percent. You
Speaker 2: think David's gonna say no to that, I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 2: I got a stage through to the three percent. I
Speaker 2: don't think that. Now. I don't know David. I don't
Speaker 2: want to speak for him. But that's, to me, the
Speaker 2: best advice I could give him. Uh that was twenty minutes. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's keep going go ahead, all right, we're on real quick, sorry, Lamar.
Speaker 2: Week one next year is playing quarterback for the Ravens?
Speaker 2: Is sitting out? Or is on another team.
Speaker 3: He's on another team.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you do think this gets done?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm rocking with whatever team he's on.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be what you do.
Speaker 4: The Lamar disrespect is crazy. I feel like he needs
Speaker 4: that one extra guy supporting him.
Speaker 2: How much how much of this is because you like
Speaker 2: using him in Madden?
Speaker 3: I actually kind of dislike using him in Madden sometimes
Speaker 3: because of the.
Speaker 2: Errant passing at times. Yeah, dude, he gets frustrated. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you use this big Lamar Jackson guy. All these NFL
Speaker 2: gams listening to Showler like exactly now, man, you have
Speaker 2: to say, and I'm an asshole for not giving him
Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars. You won't use him in a
Speaker 2: Madden game? You want me to put my franchise with him?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Next?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: Katie made his second Son's debut last night, and since
Speaker 4: coming back, Lebron has led the Lakers to a.
Speaker 3: Split versus Patrick Beverley.
Speaker 4: Stop it both Now the opportunity to catch heat in
Speaker 4: the final two weeks of the season.
Speaker 3: Which team needed their starback more? Oh?
Speaker 2: You know, oddly the Suns because they need to get
Speaker 2: on I So there's a lot here before we get
Speaker 2: to any of it. Did you see Lebron's postgame interview yesterday?
Speaker 3: Yeah, where it's like basically naked.
Speaker 2: Yes, So okay, so I mean here, I should have
Speaker 2: told the cruisers, but there it is. I what do
Speaker 2: you make of that?
Speaker 3: Do you think that there was trying to show his youth?
Speaker 2: See, I think you nailed it. I don't think that
Speaker 2: was an accident. Lebron is doing this interview in an
Speaker 2: undersized towel, right show like let the eye by and out? Uh,
Speaker 2: I still got it that. I really think that's what
Speaker 2: it is. I'm the oldest guy in the league that
Speaker 2: still plays, and I just want to remind everybody because
Speaker 2: he does weird things sometimes. Because when the playoffs started
Speaker 2: in the bubble, he intentionally didn't like again, this is speculation,
Speaker 2: but I know I'm right. He let all the gray
Speaker 2: and his beard come in as much as like I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. It didn't cut it, And I think it
Speaker 2: was psychological thing. Yeah, it was like, okay, ah, you
Speaker 2: guys are tired, the Bubble's been tough, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: I am reminding you I'm an old man and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna rush and now I think he's going the other way.
Speaker 2: It's like I missed a month. I'm thirty eight, I'm
Speaker 2: in year twenty, and I'm gonna do this interview basically
Speaker 2: in the nude, yeah, and like make it newsworthy to
Speaker 2: where it goes places to remind everybody, because that was
Speaker 2: not an accident. Jordan famously would never do interviews until
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 3: Well. But like.
Speaker 2: The suit, earrings and everything, and a lot of guys
Speaker 2: do that, Lebron, I've seen him do these things shirtless.
Speaker 2: I've never seen him like that. That was noteworthy to me.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've seen any player like that in
Speaker 3: post I haven't seen too many postgame interviews, but that.
Speaker 2: That it hit your radar right on here, all right?
Speaker 2: So on Durant. Durant gave an interview with the Shams
Speaker 2: said he doesn't care about his legacy anymore. Everyone's just
Speaker 2: gonna discredit him no matter what. All this stuff. I
Speaker 2: don't know that I fully believe him, but set that aside.
Speaker 2: Here's what I do know. I will vociferously defend Kevin
Speaker 2: de if they win this title and anyone tries to
Speaker 2: discredit this Suns team was drawing dead to win the
Speaker 2: championship zero percent. They had their window had closed. Chris
Speaker 2: Paul has moved to a different stage of his career.
Speaker 2: Booker's a really good player, but not good enough to
Speaker 2: carry a team to a championship as you know as
Speaker 2: the unquestioned alpha without a great co star. I know
Speaker 2: they made the final, the finals two years ago and
Speaker 2: Booker was the best player, but he wasn't. Chris Paul
Speaker 2: was the was the glue of that team, and Booker
Speaker 2: was a way overqualified number two. And they lost anyway,
Speaker 2: The lost four straight. So I think that this is
Speaker 2: not like the Warriors at all. It's not even like
Speaker 2: the Nets when they trade for Harden and they look like, okay,
Speaker 2: they've stacked the deck. It's it's like if the Nets
Speaker 2: had won the title last year, I don't think anyone
Speaker 2: would have discredited it. And this Suns team, we have
Speaker 2: proof of concept with them, seventy games of them without Durant,
Speaker 2: they were not a championship caliber team. If he parachutes
Speaker 2: in and they win the title, he gets to me.
Speaker 2: If he parachutes in and they make the finals, massive
Speaker 2: massive credit. So I don't think that's going to happen now.
Speaker 2: On the Lebron thing.
Speaker 3: He's a ring hitman. Well, what do you mean if
Speaker 3: if you win the title with him?
Speaker 2: I mean, we've never seen We've never seen a team
Speaker 2: acquire their best player mid season and win the title.
Speaker 2: We've seen the defending champion Rockets acquired Clyde Drexler.
Speaker 3: So we're still saying Curry was the better one.
Speaker 2: No, they didn't acquire a mid season Oh no, We've
Speaker 2: seen guys KG and Ray Allen came to the Celtics,
Speaker 2: they immediately won a title. We've seen that. We saw
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis join the Lakers. They wanted title. He was
Speaker 2: the second best guy. But in the offseason, we've seen it.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about a mid season trade. We saw the
Speaker 2: ninety five Rockets ad Clyde. They were the defending champs,
Speaker 2: they were the sixth seed. They end up winning the title.
Speaker 2: We saw the Pistons make a massive trade in eighty
Speaker 2: nine and win the title, but again, Isaiah was their
Speaker 2: best player. We've never seen Wilt was traded mid season.
Speaker 2: They didn't win. We've never seen a team get their
Speaker 2: best guy and go win the title, and they'd be
Speaker 2: doing it having played ten games together. So that is noteworthy.
Speaker 2: On his end. The Lebron thing is fascinating because I
Speaker 2: do think the Lakers are a super dangerous team, ring
Speaker 2: super dangerous Lebron. AD and D'Angelo Russell have only played
Speaker 2: three games together. They haven't lost. AD. You can't rely
Speaker 2: on him every night, but when he's good, he's an
Speaker 2: unquestioned the best. AD is one of the top eight
Speaker 2: guys in the league. The problem for him is he's
Speaker 2: not consistently say his bad nights are really bad for
Speaker 2: a superstar and Lebron come the postseason, man just manipulate
Speaker 2: every possession. Now they have a huge game Friday against
Speaker 2: the Timberwolves, and right now the Lakers are the eight seed.
Speaker 2: They're thirty eight and thirty eight. The Timberwolves are thirty
Speaker 2: nine and thirty. You win that game against the Timberwolves,
Speaker 2: you move up to the seven line. The Golden State
Speaker 2: has thirty seven losses, You have the tiebreaker with them.
Speaker 2: The Clippers have thirty six losses. You do not have
Speaker 2: the tiebreaker with them, but you do get to play
Speaker 2: them again. Could the Lakers move up out of the
Speaker 2: play in possibly?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 2: I think it's actually incumbent upon them to do that.
Speaker 2: I do in this regard the team I would least
Speaker 2: want to play in round one, There's no way for
Speaker 2: them to play Phoenix in round one because Phoenix is
Speaker 2: right now. The Phoenix can't move up. They're the four.
Speaker 2: They could drop to the five, but Phoenix can't move
Speaker 2: up to the three, and the Lakers are not going
Speaker 2: to be able to move up to the five. So
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The Lakers are gonna be
Speaker 2: six seven, eight at best, and so they're not gonna
Speaker 2: be able to play Phoenix. The team I would least
Speaker 2: want to play is Memphis because the Lakers have no
Speaker 2: one to guard Job, absolutely no one to guard Job.
Speaker 2: The team oddly enough i'd like to play is Denver,
Speaker 2: but because Jokic, I think you'd have real, real trouble
Speaker 2: with Anthony Davis and Lebron will put him in a
Speaker 2: million picking rolls. But the only way to play Denver
Speaker 2: is if you're in the play in and lose your
Speaker 2: first play in game and then win your second one.
Speaker 2: That's how you get the eight seed, or I guess
Speaker 2: the other way to play Denver would be to be
Speaker 2: in the play in as the nine or the ten
Speaker 2: and then win both your playing games. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's likely. I think the right now. If I were
Speaker 2: ranking Western Conference contenders, I would go Memphis one, Lakers two,
Speaker 2: Suns three. I worry about Chris Paul's health and I
Speaker 2: worry about their continuity. That's how I would have it ranked,
Speaker 2: and I think the Lakers could be really well positioned.
Speaker 2: It's worth noting despite Lebron missing a month and missing
Speaker 2: two weeks earlier in the year, despite Anthony Davis missing
Speaker 2: a month, since the two and ten start, they are
Speaker 2: thirty thirty six and twenty eight. They have had one
Speaker 2: of the three best defenses in the league since the
Speaker 2: trade deadline, and arrested Lebron with that month off. If
Speaker 2: he doesn't re injure that foot is a dangerous team next.
Speaker 3: All right, so.
Speaker 4: While you're gone, Jokic beat Giannis in the Bucks. By
Speaker 4: the way, have you seen Janni's tweet about the trend
Speaker 4: that he started.
Speaker 2: About the cross Lakes.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty.
Speaker 2: By the way, that is something. Team chemistry matters. Guys
Speaker 2: liking each other matters, and the Bucks lead the league
Speaker 2: in there in good vibes and on a playoff run
Speaker 2: that absolutely matters. But go ahead, So he also beat Philly.
Speaker 2: He being go ahead.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, Jokic beat Philly, but beat set out and
Speaker 4: didn't even join the team on the bench.
Speaker 3: Seems like him Bee couldn't rise to the challenge.
Speaker 2: Not true, but go ahead.
Speaker 4: Denver has big games against the Suns and Warriors over
Speaker 4: the final stretch. Even, you now have to admit that
Speaker 4: Jokic is in the driver's seat for this MVP thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think he's in the driver's seat. Bon
Speaker 2: Tim's just released his updated straw Pole. It is basically dead.
Speaker 2: Even it was a weird thing. Jokic got the most
Speaker 2: first place votes in bon tim Straw Pole, but Embiid
Speaker 2: was the winner because you get points for first, second, third,
Speaker 2: you know, and so Jokic had more thirds. Embiid was
Speaker 2: basically first or second on enough ballots that it over,
Speaker 2: and Jokic had a few thirds. It really I don't
Speaker 2: think Yana should be discounted. I mean, last night, I
Speaker 2: know Drewaliday had fifty one Janis also had a thirty
Speaker 2: seven point triple double. I don't think Yanna should be
Speaker 2: discounted in this. I don't. I actually give Embiid credit
Speaker 2: for putting team success above the MVP. Yeah, because the
Speaker 2: medical staff clearly thought he needed the game off because
Speaker 2: he's been dealing with something he knew because he already
Speaker 2: cooked up Jokic in their first meeting. If he did
Speaker 2: it a second time, he could have basically I think
Speaker 2: eliminated Jokics from the conversation. He didn't. His team loses.
Speaker 2: But Embiid was very good last night and they beat
Speaker 2: the mat.
Speaker 3: Like you gotta go out there and kill on.
Speaker 2: Well, I listen, I understand that any other games know,
Speaker 2: I just I just no, of course I get it.
Speaker 2: I think the but I understand that that is Embiid
Speaker 2: showing the world like I am really focused on winning.
Speaker 2: And here you thing. Embiid's never made Round three, not
Speaker 2: the finals. He's never made a conference finals. He's got
Speaker 2: to break through. The best players in league history have
Speaker 2: never made a conference finals. It's like Dominique, Wilkins and
Speaker 2: Bernard King, they who were Hall of famers, but Bernard's
Speaker 2: career was derailed. Dude to Andrey. Dominique was in the
Speaker 2: East and the eighties had to deal with Bird and
Speaker 2: the and Michael and this Pistons like it was a
Speaker 2: brutal spot. They weren't guys finishing in the top two
Speaker 2: MVP three Street years and so right now I think
Speaker 2: the ballot should be embeid by a hair over Giannis,
Speaker 2: then a bit of a gap and then Jokic. But
Speaker 2: we'll see how it will. It is gonna come down
Speaker 2: to the final week. It's gonna come down to the
Speaker 2: final week, all right.
Speaker 4: Next, let's see, all right, last week, Lucas said he
Speaker 4: Luka Doncic said he no longer feels the same joy.
Speaker 3: While playing playing my tiny violin.
Speaker 4: The Mavericks have lost eight out of their last eleven games,
Speaker 4: and now said at the eleven seed in the west,
Speaker 4: is there any light at the end of this tunnel
Speaker 4: for your Slovenian son.
Speaker 3: It's not great, man, I said the little mini violin thing.
Speaker 3: I feel bad. I'm sorry, that's.
Speaker 2: Listening, man, it's not good. I can't put it all
Speaker 2: on Kyrie.
Speaker 3: That's really funny at the timing of.
Speaker 2: That, Well, yeah, it's he obviously hasn't helped.
Speaker 3: That is such funny timing.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I can't put it all on Kyrie. And
Speaker 2: put on Kyrie also, Kyrie. It seemed yesterday he tried
Speaker 2: to have another fan kicked out of the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on this? Oh so so let
Speaker 2: me let me give you mine and go And then
Speaker 2: I think that there has to be something very extreme,
Speaker 2: said Lebron situation about his son when he had the.
Speaker 3: Lady kicked out.
Speaker 2: But like so, like so, here's the I don't know
Speaker 2: what these fans are saying to Kyrie. I know a
Speaker 2: few games ago he had someone kicked out. I know
Speaker 2: Russ had someone kicked out yesterday, and I know Kyrie
Speaker 2: got into it with a fan yesterday, and then the
Speaker 2: rest say and they.
Speaker 3: Didn't kick them out.
Speaker 2: Here's here's the thing. Obviously, there are lines you cannot cross,
Speaker 2: and I, without knowing what anybody said, I don't want
Speaker 2: to like blindly defend any of these fans. I also am,
Speaker 2: if I am being honest, if I saw Steph Curry,
Speaker 2: John Morant or Joel Embiid demand a fan be ejected,
Speaker 2: I would assume the fan deserved to be ejective. When
Speaker 2: I when it's Russ or Kyrie, I'm not certain if
Speaker 2: it was ejectable. I'm just not like, if somebody calls
Speaker 2: Westbrook Westbrook, they don't get ejected from the game. Now
Speaker 2: you can say that's a toxic part of sports, and
Speaker 2: I fine, but that this part of I think maybe
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be. Maybe this is me. I'm going to
Speaker 2: look back on this and say, oh, that was a
Speaker 2: dumb take of mine. Years from now, we're more evolved
Speaker 2: and better. I don't know. Part of being a pro
Speaker 2: athlete and part of what defines the greats is being
Speaker 2: able to deal with the hostile road environment. Now there
Speaker 2: are we know, there are lines, and you should never
Speaker 2: invoke someone's family, You should never invoke someone's creed, race,
Speaker 2: you know, any of those things, and I would argue
Speaker 2: that you should get it. Should be close to a
Speaker 2: zero tolerance policy on obscene profanity, not because the athletes
Speaker 2: are offended, but because we still want to be able
Speaker 2: to bring kids to the games. And it's just no
Speaker 2: in a zero tolerance policy for any hate speech and profanity.
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing in my opinion for the person doing it,
Speaker 2: and there should be you know, but consistent taunting is allowed.
Speaker 2: So I gotta know, Like if someone says like to Kyrie, Kyrie,
Speaker 2: every team hates you, Kyrie, You're not getting your money, Kyrie.
Speaker 2: Those things, I don't think you should be kicked out
Speaker 2: for that. Do you agree? And I just.
Speaker 4: Look at the people that it is coming. I see
Speaker 4: where you're going with the with the Westbrook and the
Speaker 4: Kyrie thing. Look these people, Russ Westbrook, Westbrook, I understand
Speaker 4: a little bit more because like I feel like he
Speaker 4: doesn't really bring it to himself because it's people make
Speaker 4: fun of him because of the of his play with Kyrie.
Speaker 4: It's like outside stuff that he's kind of like brought
Speaker 4: on himself. So it's like, uh.
Speaker 2: But either way, again, I think you are allowed to
Speaker 2: make fun of guys for their play. I don't do it.
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of embarrassing for an adult to do.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that is ejectable behavior. So again,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: Want the tickets because you're that into the game, right
Speaker 4: you want to correct And I again, I don't know
Speaker 4: what was said.
Speaker 2: So this is more of a generic conversation the specific conversation.
Speaker 2: Like I think if you say to whomever you effing suck,
Speaker 2: that should be a warning. Stop with the profanity or
Speaker 2: you're out of here. I think if you yell west
Speaker 2: Brook you're the worst shooter in the league, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: even get talked to. I think that's totally imbound. I
Speaker 2: think if you say something about, you know, with someone's
Speaker 2: wife or kid, you're out.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You say something racial, you're out. You make fun of
Speaker 2: Kyrie's religion, you're out. Though all those things, to me,
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone disagrees with it. And again, maybe
Speaker 2: that's what was happening here. But I have my doubts.
Speaker 2: I have my doubts when I would not have doubts
Speaker 2: if Steph Curry pointed and said that person's got to go,
Speaker 2: I would just know, Okay, they you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like their's did not seem like the whole league love
Speaker 3: Steph Curry though.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, he's look like most popular players league
Speaker 2: for sure. It was really but hell, even if it
Speaker 2: was James Harden, who everyone does not like. He's a
Speaker 2: polarizing player, right.
Speaker 3: It seems like James Harden doesn't give a damn.
Speaker 2: I agree, which is why I'm saying if he said
Speaker 2: someone's got to be kicked out, then and again, maybe
Speaker 2: maybe it's gonna come out. These guys said something horrible
Speaker 2: and it makes total sense. It just has hit my radar.
Speaker 2: Seems to be a lot more have fans gotten way
Speaker 2: worse or have certain players gotten more sensitive. I think
Speaker 2: that's a fair question.
Speaker 4: Ever since that mood swing post conference postgame conference Kyrie had,
Speaker 4: that's right up his alley to kick a fan out, it.
Speaker 2: Seems like it. And it's like it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: they call me out my name, and I'm gonna look
Speaker 2: him in their eye and see if they're really about it,
Speaker 2: and it's like, definitely not about it. They definitely are
Speaker 2: taking advantage of the fact that you are performing and
Speaker 2: they think it is part of the fan experience to
Speaker 2: be a drunk idiot. Now again, if we want to.
Speaker 3: Say, tomatoes at comedy shows, oh, are they you? I
Speaker 3: mean I feel like they are.
Speaker 2: No. Actually, like the old that's an old thing, buddy,
Speaker 2: there's not I.
Speaker 3: Mean nowadays, not tomatoes like shoes and stuff.
Speaker 2: No, there's no showing stuff thrown at comedy shows. No,
Speaker 2: not in modern society that you're watching like old Eddie
Speaker 2: Murphy movies set in nineteen thirties. Like, no, there's not.
Speaker 2: No one's throwing fruit at bad comics in modern society.
Speaker 2: Do you just watched gangs in New York or something?
Speaker 3: Or concerts?
Speaker 2: I don't think people Okay, I don't set in modern society.
Speaker 2: People are throwing things on stage.
Speaker 4: I don't know where you're where you think you are
Speaker 4: right now? They're throwing stuff one hundred. They are throwing
Speaker 4: stuff in the crowd. Okay, not in the crowd, but
Speaker 4: on stage.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna need to see some mapp.
Speaker 3: I mean, the baby got an Adidas shoot thrown at him.
Speaker 3: Oh and that's a baby.
Speaker 2: No, but that's out of bounds. That person's got to
Speaker 2: be thrown out. I'm saying that's not allowed, and I
Speaker 2: don't think it happens. Somebody says Warren't we talking about Luca? Listen,
Speaker 2: I'm I was trying to fill a buster tonight. I've
Speaker 2: talked about fact the guy picked a win league MVP
Speaker 2: and go to the finals might miss the plane entirely.
Speaker 2: It's not great for my guy, Luca. We did a
Speaker 2: forty minute a eight block. Let's take a quick break
Speaker 2: and come back.
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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in episode one thirty eight, what's
Speaker 2: right with Nick? Right, don't forget your listener questions for
Speaker 2: me or for Deman's put them in the chat right
Speaker 2: now on YouTube and we will get to them in
Speaker 2: the next segment. Try to do a quicker segment here,
Speaker 2: since we did a forty minute a block. When this
Speaker 2: show was originally created, the whole show was the entire
Speaker 2: show was supposed to be forty minutes. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: supposed to be sixteen minute A block, sixteen minute B block,
Speaker 2: and an eight minute final segment.
Speaker 3: We've wandered off.
Speaker 2: We wandered off. Remember there used to be a buzzer
Speaker 2: we used to do. We used to have little sound
Speaker 2: drops of sisters saying, hurry up, daddy. That scrapped those Yeah,
Speaker 2: we scrapped them. All right, what are we doing? Conspiracy corner.
Speaker 3: All right, man, Yes, conspiracy corner with NBA texts. Yeah,
Speaker 3: alright man.
Speaker 2: So you know, look at the picture. Jeez, what I
Speaker 2: I like that picture. That's good.
Speaker 4: You know how much I hate refs making everything about themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're at the point to where stars are closing in
Speaker 4: or passing on the sixteenth tech threshold.
Speaker 2: All right, let me disclain into the audience. In the
Speaker 2: regular season, you get sixteen technical fouls, you get suspended
Speaker 2: for a game. After that, every other tech gets you suspended.
Speaker 2: So you get a one game suspended for your sixteenth, eighteenth, twentieth,
Speaker 2: et cetera. That's how it works. So Dylan Brooks has
Speaker 2: been suspended, Draymond has been suspended and picked up another one.
Speaker 2: There's somebody else. I forget who, but keep going. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's some I'll.
Speaker 4: Think, but there's some suspicious stuff going on with who's
Speaker 4: getting called for what? It's time for demons A's conspiracy corner.
Speaker 4: Do you think the league is doing too much to
Speaker 4: prevent big names from being teed up?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Lucas the other one, Luca. Yeah, this guy got a
Speaker 2: TECH and then had it rescinded because he was gonna
Speaker 2: be suspended the next day, the league's rescinded is technical.
Speaker 3: That's what we're doing.
Speaker 2: So here's what I think. I think Draymond is the
Speaker 2: perfect example of guys understanding they get away with basically
Speaker 2: everything once they get their first technical foul because refs
Speaker 2: don't want to throw them out. So in that game
Speaker 2: against the Pelicans, Draymond got a technical on and a
Speaker 2: flagrant on the same play. Talking about when he got
Speaker 2: subject when no, oh, no, no no, he got a
Speaker 2: technical and a flagrant on the same play tail end
Speaker 2: of the first half. He then in the second half
Speaker 2: picked up an immediate fourth foul and the rest of
Speaker 2: the game just played like a lunatic and was incredibly
Speaker 2: effective and was daring the refs to call him for
Speaker 2: a fifth foul and daring the refs, And we saw
Speaker 2: in the Dallas game he had five fouls, and he
Speaker 2: just took license to essentially foul on every play, saying
Speaker 2: you won't foul me out. In the Pelicans game, he
Speaker 2: kicked Herb Jones in the head when he already had
Speaker 2: a technical. He would have always gotten a technical for
Speaker 2: that previously, but because the refs didn't want to throw
Speaker 2: him out, so it's a weird spot where Draymond and
Speaker 2: Luca does this would agree as well. They act so
Speaker 2: incredulous and angry the whole game that they raise the
Speaker 2: standard of what it takes for a TECH. And once
Speaker 2: they get there first, they are daring the refs to
Speaker 2: give him a second and kick him out. And if
Speaker 2: the refs let you get away with it, they let
Speaker 2: you get away with it. And so I do think
Speaker 2: the NBA doesn't want these guys suspended, which is also
Speaker 2: why I don't know that you have to have the
Speaker 2: sixteen tech exactly.
Speaker 4: I was just about to say, what's the point in
Speaker 4: putting that rule there if it's never going to be used? Well,
Speaker 4: like somebody has to be made an example.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the reason that exists is because Rashid Wallace,
Speaker 2: you vaguely remember him, He got forty one techs in
Speaker 2: the season. Now, the refs hated him, and he did
Speaker 2: some of it to.
Speaker 3: Himself also probably a different time.
Speaker 2: Twenty years ago, but he got So that's like, that
Speaker 2: is like the unbreakable NBA record because you would have
Speaker 2: been second for twenty games, like over the course of it,
Speaker 2: it never happened again. But he got forty one texts
Speaker 2: in a season. All right, next, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Right a game? Right or wrong? No?
Speaker 3: No, no, sorry we played right or wrong today?
Speaker 4: Uh so we got Rogers versus Green Bay is getting
Speaker 4: pretty ugly with him going back and forth blaming each other.
Speaker 4: But it seems like the Packers are just saying the
Speaker 4: truth and Rogers is misleading people right or wrong.
Speaker 3: You can still trust Aaron Rodgers wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's lost all credibility.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He keeps saying all he wants is direct communication. And
Speaker 2: then Gouden Kuntz is like, dude, want to answer our
Speaker 2: calls or texts? I mean, I I just don't find
Speaker 2: him to be a credible narrator of anything, of anything.
Speaker 4: I think there's some long lasting effects of the ayahuasca
Speaker 4: and he's got like a little bit of a misconception
Speaker 4: on how society works maybe.
Speaker 2: And also, by the way, the ayahuasca thing, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: sound judgment all here, it seemed less impressive to me
Speaker 2: and like evolved once I heard he did it with
Speaker 2: Jake Paul. Jake Paul was with him, according to Jake Paul,
Speaker 2: doing the ayahuasca like come on, man, like come on man,
Speaker 2: and the it just he can't.
Speaker 3: Be too much of an awakening around Jake.
Speaker 2: That's my thoughts. Those are my thoughts. I just but
Speaker 2: the whole all I care about is direct communication. All
Speaker 2: I care about direct communication. I won't answer my calls
Speaker 2: and texts. I'm not a fan of it, just flatly
Speaker 2: not a fan of it.
Speaker 4: Next, at the league meeting, Kyle Shanahan said that once healthy,
Speaker 4: brock Perty is forty nine Ers quarterback.
Speaker 3: I feel like I called this earlier. You did, I
Speaker 3: feel like I did. I don't know you did.
Speaker 4: But however, he hasn't given up on Trey Lance just yet.
Speaker 4: The old adages if you have two quarterbacks, you have none,
Speaker 4: right or wrong. The forty nine Ers have a quarterback problem.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's right.
Speaker 3: And I what do you think you could get for
Speaker 3: Trey Lance?
Speaker 2: Not much now, Not if you're publicly saying brock Party
Speaker 2: has beat him out.
Speaker 3: Or build up the stock for brock Party offer to
Speaker 3: trade him. I don't, I mean, don't even need pieces.
Speaker 2: I don't think the league wants brock Party. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: league had a chance to get him, and everyone passed
Speaker 2: on him at every single one of their draft picks.
Speaker 2: And in my opinion. He didn't really light the world
Speaker 2: on fire with San Francisco. I know he played well.
Speaker 3: I ate, I just.
Speaker 2: I obviously have not seen Trey Lance much. No one has.
Speaker 2: But it is such an investment to not try to
Speaker 2: see what he can do and what the offense can
Speaker 2: look like with him if he's healthy, to me, would
Speaker 2: be crazy, like even legitimately crazy. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 2: brock party is. They're in the same I was with
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo. You're just getting replacement level quarterback play, and
Speaker 2: I'd be worried about surgery on your elbow and you're
Speaker 2: throwing on Yeah, he didn't like It's not like you
Speaker 2: had a rocket arm before that. I'd want to see
Speaker 2: what I have with Trey Lance next.
Speaker 3: All right, it seems as as if Dame time maybe
Speaker 3: coming to an end. In Portland.
Speaker 4: Sham supported he expected. He expects potential offseason trade talks.
Speaker 4: Right or wrong, Dame has played his last game as
Speaker 4: a Trailblazer.
Speaker 3: It's a little late, bud. What do you mean, what
Speaker 3: do you mean it's in left Portland?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, listen, do you know what Dame's numbers are
Speaker 2: this year? Like, give me a guess on how many
Speaker 2: points you think he's averaging per game? He's played fifty
Speaker 2: eight games. How many points?
Speaker 3: Twenty six, thirty two? I was gonna say thirty original,
Speaker 3: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: He's averaging thirty two points, five rebounds, seven assists.
Speaker 3: Oh bad, dam, it's not too late.
Speaker 2: They well, no, but here's the It is too late
Speaker 2: because he's averaging thirty two, five and seven. And here's
Speaker 2: the entire list of teams. The Blazers have a better
Speaker 2: record than the Rockets, the Spurs, the Pistons, the Hornets.
Speaker 2: That's the list. That's it.
Speaker 3: So are you saying like who needs them?
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying like it'd be one thing if it's like, ah,
Speaker 2: we just can't break through to a championship, you can't
Speaker 2: break through to the playing Oh you're the and it's
Speaker 2: not Dame's fault. Listen, there is one team and one
Speaker 2: team only that. Because here's the thing, the prome for Dame.
Speaker 2: What team could trade for him and still be a
Speaker 2: champion contender? You don't say what I mean, like, what
Speaker 2: team would not have to give up so much that
Speaker 2: they're they're still a champion and contender. I said there's
Speaker 2: one team, So it's like oh, the Knicks not a contenter. Sorry,
Speaker 2: you trade RJ. Barrett, Maybe they'll do it. I mean
Speaker 2: they'd be good Dame, but Dame and Jalen brunts and
Speaker 2: your entire your backcourt both are six to one or under.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's recipe. Uh. The look in the West,
Speaker 2: like who could trade for him? Could the Pelicans? Maybe
Speaker 2: the Pelicans, but then you're relying on on Zion being held.
Speaker 2: You have trade brandon ingram all the Thunder. The Thunder
Speaker 2: are an interesting one. They definitely could trade for him.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they'd be a contender immediately, but
Speaker 2: they're you know, Dame and Shay. That's interesting. There's two
Speaker 2: Eastern Conference teams that should be calling repeatedly the Nets, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no. The first one is Boston. Jalen Brown has
Speaker 2: given a lot of it seems like he's gone and
Speaker 2: that it's the best the Blazers could do. Get Jalen
Speaker 2: Brown and a couple of draft picks that would be
Speaker 2: perfect for Boston. Perfect for Boston, and you can win
Speaker 2: the title. You have enough defense that even the downgrade
Speaker 2: from Brown to Dame, you're fine and you can win
Speaker 2: the title. The perfect fit is Philly. Philly trades Tobias Harris,
Speaker 2: Maxie and every pick they have available to them. Damon
Speaker 2: Embiid would be perfect. Dame stretches the defense out so far.
Speaker 2: Harden if he stays, can run point. Even if Harden leaves,
Speaker 2: I still think they would be deadly. Uh, that would
Speaker 2: be a fun team. Man, oh on two ks. But
Speaker 2: Boston is to me a really intriguing one. And so
Speaker 2: I understand Dame has said, like, you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to ring Ja, I'm trying to build it all
Speaker 2: these things. I get all that, and he can do
Speaker 2: whatever he wants. But if your team can't even make
Speaker 2: the play in and you're having a career season and
Speaker 2: it's not like they have these it's Shadon Sharp's fine.
Speaker 2: They just they haven't been able to build a quality
Speaker 2: defense the whole time he's been there. They made one
Speaker 2: conference finals a few years ago, and that's that's it.
Speaker 4: All right, next, all right, if you needed one guy
Speaker 4: at his apex for one game or one series, who
Speaker 4: would it be. Yesterday on the Herd, you said you
Speaker 4: consider Shack. Right or wrong, Shack will be the number
Speaker 4: one pick.
Speaker 2: So this is a take I've had for a while,
Speaker 2: and this is a fun game to play, which is.
Speaker 3: Who is?
Speaker 2: And I think the answer is right? Who is helped
Speaker 2: and who is hurt the most? In all time rankings
Speaker 2: by this specific question. So if we are ranking guys
Speaker 2: like on my fifty players list, right, so I'll give
Speaker 2: you a guy who did not make the list, was
Speaker 2: not even really that strongly considered for the list, but
Speaker 2: would probably be a top twenty five pick for this question.
Speaker 2: I get him at his absolute apex. Tracy McGrady. Tracy
Speaker 2: McGrady is absolute apex. Was neck and neck with Kobe
Speaker 2: for the best perimeter player for a couple of years,
Speaker 2: but he didn't stay there, had dealt with injuries, didn't
Speaker 2: have playoff success. He plummets Who's hurt the most by this?
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan, I had number five on my list,
Speaker 2: but there are fifteen guys that I would take above
Speaker 2: him if you're telling me, I get their absolute apex.
Speaker 2: So why would Shack be my answer that Shaq is
Speaker 2: my guy at his absolute apex over Lebron, over Jordan,
Speaker 2: over everyone else. Wild When I was talking to him
Speaker 2: about this, he mentioned, Steph, here's the thing. Any perimeter player.
Speaker 2: If your entire plan is to take them out of
Speaker 2: the game, you can to it. Agree, If you're willing
Speaker 2: to play four on three, you can just double them
Speaker 2: the length of the court and they're done. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like the now you probably lose because
Speaker 2: you're playing four on three against NBA players. But Wilds
Speaker 2: was like, so you're telling me I get on fire, Steph.
Speaker 2: Why would I take that? The answer is because I
Speaker 2: can just prevent him from getting the ball. Lebron has
Speaker 2: shown throughout his career if you double him, he is
Speaker 2: going to find the open man shack at his apex
Speaker 2: was doubled every play, And this is what I want
Speaker 2: to remind people of Shaquille O'Neals. Apex was those three
Speaker 2: straight finals with the Lakers. The first finals against the Pacers,
Speaker 2: he averaged thirty eight, seventeen and three with three blocks
Speaker 2: a game. His next finals against the Sixers, who had
Speaker 2: the defensive player of the year to Kimbe Mutombo playing center,
Speaker 2: he averaged thirty three, sixteen.
Speaker 3: And five, slowed him down a bit with.
Speaker 2: Four blocks per game. The next finals against the Nets,
Speaker 2: he averaged thirty six, thirteen and four with three blocks
Speaker 2: per game. So Shaquille O'Neal over the course of three finals.
Speaker 3: This is what he did.
Speaker 2: He gave you forty four minutes per night. He averaged
Speaker 2: thirty six points per game. He averaged fifteen rebounds per game,
Speaker 2: four assists and three blocks over three consecutive finals. He's
Speaker 2: my number one pick. My picks would be Shack one,
Speaker 2: bron to Jordan three for peak of their paw our
Speaker 2: NBA history for one game or one series. Now that
Speaker 2: like that does not mean that they are the that
Speaker 2: that is the all time rankings. Who else trying to
Speaker 2: think like modern so like of current players, guys who
Speaker 2: are like really helped by this is a guy like
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell. An a triple plus Donovan Mitchell game, he
Speaker 2: ranks way higher than his actual ranking. A guy who's
Speaker 2: hurt by this is Jokis, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like because his highs aren't as high, but he's so consistent.
Speaker 2: So I think Tatum is hurt a bit by this.
Speaker 2: Tate's probably top five player, but I don't think there's five.
Speaker 2: I think there's more than five guys.
Speaker 3: Well, I take you out him and that's him versus
Speaker 3: the Bucks last year.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, But I I think so maybe he stays
Speaker 2: about where he is. Maybe that's about right. Maybe he
Speaker 2: stays about where he is. I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: who is a guy who is hurt by this as
Speaker 2: far as his you know what? In this right now,
Speaker 2: we'll see if it changed in the playoffs. Lebron's probably
Speaker 2: hurt by this a bit because Lebron doesn't have those
Speaker 2: like monster games so much anymore. But it's a fun
Speaker 2: conversation to me, and it's a different conversation than the
Speaker 2: greatest players ever.
Speaker 4: All right, next, all right, Ronnie James took himself to
Speaker 4: a whole new level in the McDonald's All American Game.
Speaker 4: Yet he's still not committed to any school for next year.
Speaker 4: Right or wrong, Bronni will be a Trojan.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I don't have an answer on this.
Speaker 2: I know he crushed. I mean, I gotta give this
Speaker 2: kid credit, man, I mean, he's like turned himself into
Speaker 2: a legit top ten prospect. It's unbelievable. He's even out
Speaker 2: his shot. He's got these great instincts. I saw somebody
Speaker 2: say he has his dad's athleticism, and somebody correctly said
Speaker 2: on Twitter, no one currently alive has Lebron's athleticism, including
Speaker 2: Lebron anymore, which is accurate. But uh, I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know where he's gonna go. I do think he'll
Speaker 2: add some breadcrumbs to where Lebron's gonna go.
Speaker 3: I do think that.
Speaker 2: All right, we got one more. As you guys all know,
Speaker 2: Demante was off last week looking for a place in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Right or wrong, Demanse has already gone Hollywood,
Speaker 2: and this is a YouTube exclusive where we're gonna show
Speaker 2: you guys something that I don't know if you guys
Speaker 2: are ready for. Has Demanse already gone Hollywood? And we
Speaker 2: had to crop that picture because we weren't sure if
Speaker 2: you were pulling the Lebron and just naked under a towel,
Speaker 2: But you're in a parking lot showing off your body
Speaker 2: on Instagram.
Speaker 3: So there it is.
Speaker 2: There's Lebron and Demonte in the steamer room. I do
Speaker 2: gotta say, you're in great shape, buddy. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 2: You look great. I was surprised to see that on
Speaker 2: IG I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really.
Speaker 4: I don't really post on there because you know, I
Speaker 4: do the podcast, so I haven't really found my middle
Speaker 4: ground as far as whenever I post something, I feel
Speaker 4: like people look.
Speaker 2: At it like like you're a public figure.
Speaker 3: What Yeah, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, is that what you were gonna say?
Speaker 4: So I was just gonna say, like, I feel like,
Speaker 4: when you see me on this podcast, you don't really
Speaker 4: expect me to post something like that.
Speaker 2: It's like, yes, it's you know, it's the private life,
Speaker 2: public life exactly.
Speaker 3: But that was me before, like I mean, a long
Speaker 3: time ago. I guess. I kind of like, but it's
Speaker 3: a yeah, what do you mean that was? That was?
Speaker 2: That was taken this week?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm saying that that's how you posted exactly
Speaker 3: to do it exactly.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I was gonna say, are you like you're
Speaker 2: posting old pig look how good I used to look? Okay, No,
Speaker 2: that's fair. All right, I hear. We have a surprise
Speaker 2: package to open and we answer your listener questions. That's next,
Speaker 2: what's right?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Welcome back in episode one thirty eight, one of our
Speaker 2: longest episodes ever. It's great to have Demanse back. I
Speaker 2: think this might be your best performance. You've done a
Speaker 2: great job. Before we get to the listener, questions. You
Speaker 2: guys have a surprise for me.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: So it's obviously been a while since football season ended
Speaker 4: with all the success from the Chiefs and the Jaguars
Speaker 4: gave you a really big hit. Okay, so we've got
Speaker 4: the perfect thing for.
Speaker 2: That, my hat. My finally, Oh custom, I didn't even know.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Okay, I see what I was supposed to. Oh,
Speaker 2: oh that's how they work. Oh, we've got the big hats,
Speaker 2: all right. Well, Demanse gets these put together and then
Speaker 2: I'll put them on. I'm gonna read some listener questions
Speaker 2: because this is gonna take a minute. Try not to
Speaker 2: break them. Don't break them. Uh. Negative four and two
Speaker 2: said which teams would be ideal in signing Zeke from
Speaker 2: both perspectives. That's an interesting one. I his market is
Speaker 2: not gonna be that strong. I you know what, I
Speaker 2: shouldn't have read that question because I hadn't really thought
Speaker 2: about it that much Detroit. Maybe because Jamal Williams is gone,
Speaker 2: but I haven't really you know what. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: be totally honest. I haven't been studying teams running back
Speaker 2: depth charts post free agency. So I'm gonna answer to
Speaker 2: that sorry, negative four and two. Ronnie Lucente said, Nick,
Speaker 2: what do you think about Bronni and what do you
Speaker 2: think is the best route for him and Lebron to
Speaker 2: play together both league wise and fatherwise. Well, here is
Speaker 2: the other interesting thing about Bronni. Once upon a time,
Speaker 2: I felt Lebron was saying, you know, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: to wherever Bronni gets drapped by as a way to
Speaker 2: ensure Bronni gets drafted. But if Bronni keeps this upward trajectory,
Speaker 2: he might be a lottery pick, in which case a
Speaker 2: bad team would be drafting him, in which case I
Speaker 2: don't know if Lebron wants to do that. So that's
Speaker 2: it's kind of a fascinating thing. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: know he wants to play with him, I don't know
Speaker 2: what the exact plan is, to be totally honest. Next,
Speaker 2: h Nick, though you don't believe in the nuggets, oh
Speaker 2: you have them with a small slice championship Pie, what
Speaker 2: does denver path to a championship looks like? Denver's path
Speaker 2: to a championship looks like this. They're obviously the one seed.
Speaker 2: They get Minnesota in round one and beat them. They
Speaker 2: then in round two, get the Suns or the Clippers,
Speaker 2: both of which are dealing with injuries, and they beat them.
Speaker 2: And in round three they get Sacramento and Sabonis can't
Speaker 2: deal with Jokic. That's their path. Now I'm putting on
Speaker 2: the What's right hat. This is awesome. Yeah, this is great,
Speaker 2: And I'm wearing the Prince that was promised hat at work.
Speaker 2: These big hats are sweet.
Speaker 3: Man. Oh yeah, see, I gave you that one because
Speaker 3: it didn't match my fit.
Speaker 2: So oh that's fine. You can wear the prince that
Speaker 2: was promised You're a Trevor Lawrence guy nowadays.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: Average player asked do you think the Nuggets should trade
Speaker 4: Michael Porter Junior and Murray for Dame?
Speaker 2: Well, that trade wouldn't work, and I don't think the
Speaker 2: I think the Blazers are gonna want draft picks. I
Speaker 2: think the Blazers can do better than Michael Porter Junior.
Speaker 2: H Henry Miller said, never participate in book book club
Speaker 2: before a Little History of the World, but I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed reading it week to week with you guys. Do
Speaker 2: you have any other book recommendations?
Speaker 3: I will.
Speaker 2: We'll pick that up again, probably post NBA. What you
Speaker 2: have a book reader.
Speaker 3: I have a book for you, guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's that?
Speaker 3: Titles a little long?
Speaker 2: Okay, let me while you're looking it up, I'll read this.
Speaker 2: Do you play the fut Champions on FIFA twenty three? Uh?
Speaker 2: I did not. I have not played it, so I didn't.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you what the max wins I got
Speaker 2: in twenty wins? What's the book? Is this a book
Speaker 2: you've read? Demase?
Speaker 3: No? Then why the animal Kingdom is full of con artists?
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what the book is called. Let
Speaker 3: me see mine.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's in the it's in the New Yorker. It's
Speaker 4: it's I talked about it with Nana a lot in Naruba.
Speaker 4: It's pretty funny, oh okay, pretty funny, very interesting, like
Speaker 4: some some birds have like warning calls, Like it's basically
Speaker 4: about how the animals they lie and then they cheat
Speaker 4: you Like, is this a book or is this?
Speaker 3: I think it's like you go down to.
Speaker 4: A book, like there's a book on there and maybe
Speaker 4: it's just a banana said that it was.
Speaker 3: A book that she she went, oh okay.
Speaker 2: Abbreviated version of Bates story in his new book The
Speaker 2: Liars of Nature and the Nature of Liars.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's that's the book. You definitely should get it.
Speaker 4: There's a little anecdote about, uh, this bird that has
Speaker 4: like a warning call and where other birds are eating,
Speaker 4: it sends out the warning call, so they think that
Speaker 4: there's danger amongst them, and then he goes and gets
Speaker 4: the food. Really yeah, okay, awesome, I will. It's like
Speaker 4: a bunch of animals that have like created these things.
Speaker 4: I love it to see if other animals that works
Speaker 4: in their favorite.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm texting myself the link to it. Okay, you're
Speaker 2: getting a phone call from Kansas.
Speaker 1: We have to go.
Speaker 2: This was a great show. Uh yeah, there it is
Speaker 2: Liars of Nature in the Nature of Liars. See you
Speaker 2: guys on Tuesday. What's right,