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Speaker 4: I just wanted to start by saying, joy you were
Speaker 4: sorely missed last week.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you.
Speaker 4: We had a wonderful guest in Daphne. She came by
Speaker 4: and was so much fun. But you know, it didn't
Speaker 4: fill the joy sized void in my heart, probably the
Speaker 4: hearts of everyone. So welcome back from.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm thrilled to be back. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: It was a harried week last week, and I'm really
Speaker 2: happy to be slowing down a little bit. Folks for
Speaker 2: you out there who don't know, you have Portland, London,
Speaker 2: and I was gonna say Paris, but you don't have Paris.
Speaker 2: You have Michigan, in London, in Michigan.
Speaker 5: Today, my my Paris trip was sadly short.
Speaker 1: It looked spectacular.
Speaker 5: Oh what is cooler than the Olympics.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, I really don't know.
Speaker 5: It's such an amazing thing to experience, and to experience
Speaker 5: it in one of my favorite cities. Yeah, it was
Speaker 5: just so surreal. Like the horse riding events were at
Speaker 5: the Palace of Versailles.
Speaker 1: Oh stop, yere Versai at Versailles. God, that's amazing.
Speaker 5: I was like watching these gorgeous riders on these big,
Speaker 5: beautiful horses ride through ponds in front of a palace.
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is just once in a lifetime.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it felt once in a lifetime.
Speaker 1: It was very cool, once in many lifetimes.
Speaker 5: I wish I was still there. But I will also
Speaker 5: say that being in Michigan doing the work Nea and
Speaker 5: I do, I'm getting to see a couple of places
Speaker 5: I have never been before in the state, and then
Speaker 5: getting to go to some of my other favorite places
Speaker 5: in the state. Ironically, today we're leaving Harbor Springs and
Speaker 5: going to Traverse City. And guess who first took me
Speaker 5: to Traverse City. Janna Kramer.
Speaker 4: Oh no way.
Speaker 5: It's like I'm having a very one tree hill day
Speaker 5: today with you guys and this. Yeah, it's very fun.
Speaker 4: Are you all Winter Olympics or Summer Olympics? Folks?
Speaker 5: All Olympics?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I tune in more for
Speaker 2: winter because I was an ice skating kid, like I
Speaker 2: loved I didn't go ice skating ever, but I loved
Speaker 2: watching it because it seemed so magical to me, and
Speaker 2: curling always seemed so strange.
Speaker 1: I was fascinated by.
Speaker 5: It's such a weird sport.
Speaker 2: The randomness of curling and skiing. Yeah, I think I'm
Speaker 2: more Winter.
Speaker 1: If I had to pick, what are you rav?
Speaker 4: Well, I ask because I feel like I remember the
Speaker 4: Summer Olympics being kind of like the headed stepchild. Like
Speaker 4: I remember specifically there was a joke on thirty Rocks
Speaker 4: because back then NBC had the Olympics and someone saying like,
Speaker 4: we had the Olympics, and someone responded, Summer Olympics.
Speaker 1: Summer Olympics.
Speaker 4: However, they've just rolled around and I'm watching it fascinated,
Speaker 4: and I found myself going, wait, how are these not cool?
Speaker 4: This is awesome? You know.
Speaker 1: I was just talking with somebody. They're so cool.
Speaker 2: I was just talking to somebody three days ago who
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know what we were talking about.
Speaker 2: There was some reason the topic came up, but basically
Speaker 2: the statement that was said that blew my mind was yeah,
Speaker 2: but nobody cares about the Winter Olympics. The only people,
Speaker 2: the only thing people watch are Summer Olympics. Like the
Speaker 2: entire world watches the Summer Olympics, the winter or like whatever.
Speaker 2: And I was like, what planet did you grow up on?
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who wasn't obsessed with the Winter Olympics.
Speaker 1: It's very weird to me.
Speaker 5: I mean, how are you going to pick between like
Speaker 5: downhill skiing and gymnastics. Incredible, they're iconic, they're different. But
Speaker 5: I don't know why anybody would suggest that one season
Speaker 5: of Olympics is less magical than the other. I think
Speaker 5: they're all so cool.
Speaker 1: Sophia, magic for all, every magic for magic.
Speaker 5: Listen. I think, like the way I think kids feel
Speaker 5: about Disneyland, that's how I feel about the Olympics as
Speaker 5: an adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do we all?
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if this is still a younger generation did
Speaker 2: they feel that way too?
Speaker 1: Because when we were kids, there was.
Speaker 2: Ten channels on the television, and when the Olympics were on,
Speaker 2: they were on all the channels. And that's all you
Speaker 2: could watch, and it really united US as a country,
Speaker 2: and it was the one thing you could sit down
Speaker 2: and knew that everybody was doing at the same time.
Speaker 1: And now it's like, yeah, watch the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Great, Or if you want to watch a real crime
Speaker 2: show on History Channel or book any other channel, you
Speaker 2: can watch that, or seven hundred and fifty other things
Speaker 2: like did you see a lot of younger crowds there
Speaker 2: or was it mostly people sort of our age and older?
Speaker 5: No, I mean full, incredible smattering of like everybody. There's
Speaker 5: families traveling, there's I mean, god, I saw adorable elderly
Speaker 5: people from every country and you know, down to parents
Speaker 5: carrying their toddlers in like baby borns. It was very Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was just very cool.
Speaker 4: I saw a hilarious tweet that said a person was
Speaker 4: basically saying, I'm still petitioning the Olympic committee. Just before
Speaker 4: every event, let one average, random person to the event.
Speaker 4: That way we have a frame of reference for just
Speaker 4: how superhuman everyone else is. Because when you only show
Speaker 4: superhumans doing it, they all look average except for like
Speaker 4: the one super superhuman. But if you put like one
Speaker 4: average Joe out there first, then it would be mind
Speaker 4: blowing to see how incredible these performances are.
Speaker 1: I love that idea. Why are we not doing that?
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody could get behind that. I feel
Speaker 1: like they.
Speaker 2: Could wear like you know, the advertising could go on jerseys.
Speaker 2: I feel like people would show up from hometowns to
Speaker 2: cheer on their average Joe runnerh or ski or.
Speaker 5: Like the half court shot that you get the chance
Speaker 5: to try to make, like a WNBA or an NBA games,
Speaker 5: you know, where some person gets up and it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: let's see if I can compete with one of the pros.
Speaker 5: It would be so cool to see someone just try.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that would unite the world for sure. Are
Speaker 1: you serious?
Speaker 2: Everybody would tune in for that as many people as
Speaker 2: watch reality TV.
Speaker 1: Everybody would tune in for that.
Speaker 4: What if? What if hear me out? Because I love
Speaker 4: that angle also and sort of a less severe Hunger
Speaker 4: Games way. What if instead of giving people like four
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty hours of community service, they were just like,
Speaker 4: you were going to have to do an event that
Speaker 4: we're not going to tell you about until five minutes
Speaker 4: before in front of the entire world, Because could you
Speaker 4: imagine you have no time to prep for it. You
Speaker 4: just show up and they're like, by the way you're
Speaker 4: running the eight hundred, you know you're doing hurdles, no way,
Speaker 4: and then you just get shamed in front of the
Speaker 4: whole work and they have like one one athlete run
Speaker 4: it with you, just so there's like it's especially clear
Speaker 4: how poor you are at this.
Speaker 5: It would be so painful.
Speaker 2: That is a dystopian version of society that I am
Speaker 2: interested in.
Speaker 5: Did you see the other tweet that is going viral
Speaker 5: in this subject matter where somebody essentially said that the
Speaker 5: one normal person who does said Olympic event so we
Speaker 5: can understand how hard it is gets picked by random
Speaker 5: selection like jury duty, to just get a notice in
Speaker 5: the mail and it's like this year you're competing for
Speaker 5: your country on the pommel horse.
Speaker 4: Like huh, I guess what we're saying, future Olympic committees
Speaker 4: is hire us. We all are open to be terrible
Speaker 4: at whatever event, winter or summer, because we love them
Speaker 4: both equally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just let us know I would do that instead
Speaker 2: of jury duty. I'm volunteering. Sure, do that, instead of
Speaker 2: jury duty, no problem. Happy to make an ass out
Speaker 2: of myself. I do it every day.
Speaker 1: Might as well. Might as well do it in the Olympics.
Speaker 5: Do it for your country.
Speaker 4: Should we talk about this episode game?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rob, you want to tell everybody what the heck
Speaker 2: we're watching?
Speaker 1: A big id love.
Speaker 4: To it was a big one. Season seven, episode five,
Speaker 4: Your Cheating Heart air day, October twelfth, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 4: Haley is thrust into the spotlight and storm of Nathan's
Speaker 4: growing scandal. Against her better judgment, Brook allows Julian to
Speaker 4: continue working with Alex while Millicent gets a new job
Speaker 4: which may cause trouble for Mouth. Meanwhile, Clay and Quinn
Speaker 4: grow closer. Directed by Pistol Pete Kowalski, I do best talking.
Speaker 2: About making an ass out of yourself in front of
Speaker 2: people in public. I mean, Haley with this slap, this
Speaker 2: slap that went viral, it's quite a thing.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't call that making an ass. That was kind
Speaker 4: of bad ass.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 4: There was some strong Mama Bear and instincts happening there
Speaker 4: that I was on board for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Haley's got a habit of doing this that
Speaker 2: this is the maybe.
Speaker 1: Third person I've maybe fourth.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably the fourth person I've slapped on
Speaker 2: the show, which makes me feel like Haley definitely grew
Speaker 2: up in a big Irish Catholic family and there were
Speaker 2: lots of kids smacking each other around older sisters.
Speaker 4: This episode, as per usual, had so many great quotables
Speaker 4: in it. Yeah, and this opening scene with you and James.
Speaker 4: I loved the moment. You know, you guys are just
Speaker 4: having You're looking at the tabloid. He walks up sipping
Speaker 4: a cup of coffee and he's just trying to be
Speaker 4: a good teammate and he says, there are worse things
Speaker 4: than hitting a pregnant woman. You say, yeah, like what,
Speaker 4: and he just takes a slow sip of his coffee goes,
Speaker 4: give me a minute.
Speaker 5: It was so good.
Speaker 2: I was really into the Name than Haley storyline in
Speaker 2: this episode. It was fun to see them. It was
Speaker 2: fun to see them processing through something. I feel like
Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of them at odds when something
Speaker 2: difficult comes up. There seems to be a lot of
Speaker 2: they're fighting against each other a lot, and so to
Speaker 2: be able to face something together head on, that like
Speaker 2: a real mature growth in the relationship and important to
Speaker 2: see for us as viewers to know how far they've come.
Speaker 5: I agree. We actually talked about that a little bit
Speaker 5: last week with Daphne that it's really refreshing, and look,
Speaker 5: TV needs drama, right, but it's really refreshing that instead
Speaker 5: of what just like you're talking about, instead of you
Speaker 5: guys fighting about something, you get to see two adults
Speaker 5: in the ultimate sort of representation of a healthy relationship,
Speaker 5: which is it's you and me on this side of
Speaker 5: the court and on the other side of the net
Speaker 5: is the problem. Like we really face it as a team,
Speaker 5: and I've loved seeing you guys do that, and the
Speaker 5: sort of strength and ease of Nathan and Haley that
Speaker 5: I think comes so naturally from you and James spending
Speaker 5: these seven years working together. You feel the history so
Speaker 5: inherently between you two, and it's why it's nice when
Speaker 5: instead of the drama being you know, some other crazy
Speaker 5: thing that happens near the end of the episode. I
Speaker 5: like that it's like a little worm of suspicion getting
Speaker 5: at you from the women in jail, from Renee coming
Speaker 5: to talk to you, you deciding to check the phone
Speaker 5: records after Jamie's fallen asleep. Sorry to skip ahead, but
Speaker 5: it's like it weaseles its way in and it makes
Speaker 5: it feel more insidious because then we know as an
Speaker 5: audience that you're not totally on the same team anymore,
Speaker 5: and he doesn't know yet and makes us feel like
Speaker 5: we are in on a secret and it's it's a
Speaker 5: nice kind of suspense tool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: I have lots of thoughts on that, but I have
Speaker 2: to start by talking about the prison situation.
Speaker 4: Let's get into it. Haley does hard time, Haley and the.
Speaker 2: Hookers, like, why are the only women in jail prostitutes?
Speaker 5: Every time?
Speaker 1: There are so many other ways to break a law.
Speaker 5: We know who wrote our show. There was so much,
Speaker 5: by the way, not just the girls in prison with you.
Speaker 5: There was so much that was so insane about women
Speaker 5: in this episode, much unnecessary, and it was like, well,
Speaker 5: obviously every girl throws herself at a man she wants
Speaker 5: to work with and takes her clothes off, and it's like, no,
Speaker 5: they don't, No, they don't, but we say that what anyway? Yes,
Speaker 5: from the from the gals in jail. Although I'm always
Speaker 5: happy when you know, some of our friends on our
Speaker 5: crew get to get in front of the camera and act,
Speaker 5: but my god, it was so wild to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just yeah, top to bottom.
Speaker 4: How about there's no phones? I love that. First of all,
Speaker 4: it was a terrific surprise when you when you have
Speaker 4: a visitor, Haley as a visitor, and I'm like, oh sweet,
Speaker 4: Nathan was right on her heels. Yeah, and that it
Speaker 4: was renee very effective. I was, I gasped. But neither
Speaker 4: of you pick up phones. You just start talking at
Speaker 4: each other through the plexiglass. Did set Deck not have
Speaker 4: time to grab two phone handles? Like, that's not how
Speaker 4: that works? They record everything? What?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did happen? They were like, sorry, we couldn't
Speaker 2: find any phones today. Just go ahead and shoot. Somebody said,
Speaker 2: all right. And the fact that she brought lipstick to
Speaker 2: write her number on, like she didn't just write it
Speaker 2: on a piece of paper like she knew she was
Speaker 2: going to do that, hold up a like.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's got to be written in lipstick.
Speaker 5: I mean, very dramatic sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Does that ruin your lipstick? Or do you just after
Speaker 4: you put your lipstick on something other than your lips,
Speaker 4: can you wipe it off or is that just toast?
Speaker 2: Well, you can wipe it off, but I mean that's
Speaker 2: going to gret it like put its wax basically, so
Speaker 2: if you just like pushed it down, there's nothing left
Speaker 2: for you to use.
Speaker 1: I guess you could cut it off and use whatever
Speaker 1: it was left. But clearly she didn't care about that lipstick.
Speaker 4: She just wanted to be dramatic.
Speaker 2: But like, who carries around lipstick that you don't care about?
Speaker 2: Cheap lipstick that you just plan on writing on plexiglass with?
Speaker 5: Like you stopped at the Walgreens on your way to jail.
Speaker 1: I know how I'll do it.
Speaker 5: Let me get a Let me get a lipstick for
Speaker 5: a dollar so I can really pack a punch.
Speaker 2: Well, this girl is dramatic, if I mean, she's doing
Speaker 2: such a great job playing a character that is accusing
Speaker 2: in such dramatic ways and sitting so quietly and so
Speaker 2: still and so solid, and like it's very it's unsettling
Speaker 2: how settled she is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And what's interesting about it is what I like
Speaker 4: about the way you and James, because that's sort of
Speaker 4: the main through line right now, is what's happening with
Speaker 4: you guys, but sort of to so it's point you
Speaker 4: two are so grounded, You're a united front, like everything
Speaker 4: around you is crazy, but you two are like, we're good,
Speaker 4: we know how we're handling this, Like your energy is stable.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting because opposite you is the person who's
Speaker 4: making these crazy accusations, who's also playing it very grounded,
Speaker 4: very real, very direct, and so it creates this interesting
Speaker 4: dynamic where what's happening around you is like paparazzi circus
Speaker 4: public allegations, but the actual people involved are calculated, Yeah,
Speaker 4: are quiet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so much more believable that she is so
Speaker 2: still and calm. Scary, But what you were saying about
Speaker 2: the couple, about them facing everything as a couple and
Speaker 2: you know, all the chaos going on around them, and
Speaker 2: what you were saying soap about them being a united
Speaker 2: front at the end, but then the suspicion creeping in.
Speaker 2: What this made me think of? I was thinking about,
Speaker 2: you know, putting myself back in Haley's shoes. And Ethan
Speaker 2: has a history of covering his own ass when he's
Speaker 2: in trouble. He did with the basketball cheating scandal in
Speaker 2: high school, which is why he didn't end up going
Speaker 2: to college on a scholarship for basketball. He did it
Speaker 2: with Nanny Carey, knowing how inappropriate she was being and
Speaker 2: how but you know, he didn't set boundaries and he
Speaker 2: just didn't want to get in trouble and didn't and
Speaker 2: then look what happened. He's done impulsive things when he's drinking,
Speaker 2: like the bar fight and then the you know, the fight,
Speaker 2: and when he was in the wheelchair, was like, there's
Speaker 2: a there's a history of that, and their whole relationship
Speaker 2: have started because he was trying to mess with Lucas.
Speaker 2: And my question is, when your relationship starts on manipulation
Speaker 2: of any kind, can you ever really get past that
Speaker 2: or will you always default to suspicion? Like is that
Speaker 2: why Haley is when she's checking the phone records, like
Speaker 2: it's starting to creep in because she's like, he's done this,
Speaker 2: not this, but he's spent time covering his own ass before.
Speaker 1: Do I let this in?
Speaker 5: I think it's such a good question, and I think
Speaker 5: it's hard to answer because some of what we're referencing
Speaker 5: is high school like teenagers. Yeah, you don't have a
Speaker 5: fully formed brain yet, Like you don't really there's no
Speaker 5: way you know how to make good decisions, and you
Speaker 5: do get so scared to, you know, figuratively, be called
Speaker 5: to the principal's office, and you have to learn to
Speaker 5: practice your integrity so that hopefully you do so as
Speaker 5: an adh right, Like that's the sort of idea of
Speaker 5: coming of age. But so few people got married when
Speaker 5: they were sixteen, so so few people in their adult
Speaker 5: relationships know the sorts of things you're referencing. And so
Speaker 5: the way I saw it as an audience member watching
Speaker 5: the episode was that because of the way Renee is
Speaker 5: behaving with Haley, and she seems so sure, and she
Speaker 5: apologizes and says, it's not you I'm angry at and
Speaker 5: he's lying to us both. It's such a bold thing
Speaker 5: for her to be doing, to give you her number
Speaker 5: and say look in his phone records. Of course, you go, well,
Speaker 5: why would she say all of this if there's not
Speaker 5: some truth to it? And you can't help but look.
Speaker 2: And the fact that she knows she's going to find
Speaker 2: out anyway. Even Haley says it in the episode, Yeah right,
Speaker 2: we're going to find out to says the baby's born.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Right? So it it that to me is sort of
Speaker 5: like the little like it gets in there and then
Speaker 5: it just starts to grow, you know. It's it's the
Speaker 5: it's the same sort of thing that we even see
Speaker 5: in Millie's instance and that we talked about last week.
Speaker 5: You know that you immediately take the horrible commentary personally
Speaker 5: because it's hurtful, and the good stuff doesn't penetrate because
Speaker 5: we all, you know, don't believe it. It's like, I think,
Speaker 5: those things that could hurt you, it's just human nature
Speaker 5: that they get in, and I think the way she
Speaker 5: gets them in makes sense to me. But it's interesting
Speaker 5: to think about adding the layer of oh did he
Speaker 5: get drunk and act like high school Nathan? Because that
Speaker 5: guy's in there somewhere.
Speaker 2: That's who she met, that's who she fell in love with,
Speaker 2: you know, that guy and the potential new guy that
Speaker 2: she orte the potential you know, mature version of Nathan.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wonder I haven't been in a relationship long term
Speaker 2: enough to be able to know whether or not. You're
Speaker 2: always still kind of looking back at the past and
Speaker 2: being like, is that person still in there?
Speaker 1: Or did we really grow right?
Speaker 5: Well? Because so often when you look at all of
Speaker 5: the evidentiary past of someone being terrible, you end the relationship,
Speaker 5: like you know, you go huh, okay, the bad deeds
Speaker 5: have piled up to here. I think I deserve more
Speaker 5: than this. I'm done. Yeah, And so it's an interesting
Speaker 5: thing when we're observing this couple who hasn't hit that threshold.
Speaker 5: We are more in the fairy tale, you know, written
Speaker 5: for a great epic television love story land where there
Speaker 5: were some indiscretions, clearly never enough to make you leave.
Speaker 5: So what do you do with them all?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 4: Robert, I'm going to answer that question with the question
Speaker 4: completely off topic. Joane, did you have a chance to
Speaker 4: watch seven h four Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh oh, no, No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, it kind of carried over to this one,
Speaker 4: but we had a very big burning question. Did your
Speaker 4: hair suddenly get red? And did you is this at
Speaker 4: this point of the season. Did you just have a
Speaker 4: dramatic hair color that we didn't address on the show
Speaker 4: that happened in real life?
Speaker 1: Completely? I mean this, ok oh, yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: even think it was probably one of those where I
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 2: Uh, I would love to have a reddish tone, and
Speaker 2: I think we ended up with a full This season
Speaker 2: for hair was tough. I think there was some crossover
Speaker 2: happening in the hair department where with people coming in
Speaker 2: and going out, and you know, just human life, like
Speaker 2: the people at everybody's personal lives are real and you
Speaker 2: can't always just show up and be a robot at work.
Speaker 2: And so I feel like there were sometimes some moments
Speaker 2: that didn't quite go as planned with hair.
Speaker 1: But it looked good. I was happy with it, but
Speaker 1: it was a little bright.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: What I remember too about that joy is again with
Speaker 5: this big shift we had with you Rob and Chantelle
Speaker 5: coming in and retooling the show, it was almost like
Speaker 5: we were back in season one, and because Chantelle had
Speaker 5: brownish red hair, they were in a panic. They were like,
Speaker 5: we don't have a blonde, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 5: And so they took her hair in that like darker
Speaker 5: red world. You got bright red because apparently when people
Speaker 5: are sisters they have to have somehow the same hair color.
Speaker 5: And then my hair went back to being like very dark,
Speaker 5: ashy brown.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I don't know why they didn't make me
Speaker 2: blonde instead, like go back, because I had been blonde
Speaker 2: before on the show. Honestly, I was pretty stubborn. I
Speaker 2: mean it might have just been me being like, nah,
Speaker 2: I want red hair. I mean if I'm being very honest,
Speaker 2: I know what my tendencies were.
Speaker 1: I may have just done that, but I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I hope I didn't, but I don't.
Speaker 5: Know who knows. But I definitely remember thinking and like
Speaker 5: in some of the scenes with the two of you
Speaker 5: girls with the James sisters, like going, oh, I see
Speaker 5: what they're trying to do here. They really want you
Speaker 5: to go No, really, they do look alike. Look. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's those things that a network will often, you know,
Speaker 5: put in the notes.
Speaker 2: I wonder, Yeah, we clearly we were still trying to
Speaker 2: figure out my hair. I was not into the look
Speaker 2: on this episode. It was all not working for me personally.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the red, I mean, everybody's got to try
Speaker 2: red once you found exactly the right shade.
Speaker 1: So that's what I should have done.
Speaker 2: Has gone to a color specialist and been like, if
Speaker 2: we're gonna do red, you have to match with your
Speaker 2: skin tone, and yeah, lot that goes into red.
Speaker 5: But by the way, this don't forget we were still
Speaker 5: in the you know, mid aughts or on the early side,
Speaker 5: like color was not what it is now. Do you
Speaker 5: remember when I went read years before this for that
Speaker 5: movie and I literally I mean, it looked like somebody
Speaker 5: had thrown me in like a cinnamon vat and then
Speaker 5: let me loosen the streets. It was horrible. It was horrible.
Speaker 5: This version, which of course is in a pony taiale
Speaker 5: today so I can't really illustrate for the eventual YouTube,
Speaker 5: is much better. But I just I just think this
Speaker 5: whole era of hair color and the fact that they
Speaker 5: color timed our show so orange as it is orange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was rough.
Speaker 4: Could you please tell us the name of that movie
Speaker 4: so we could all google.
Speaker 5: It absolutely right now? Oh dear, I sha't.
Speaker 4: There's IMDb, ma'am.
Speaker 5: We will think what I will do for you, Rob,
Speaker 5: I will send you some photos for you to giggle at.
Speaker 5: I shan't be encouraging the internet to do it for me.
Speaker 5: The internet is already a trashy enough place.
Speaker 7: Just take it from Millicent herd Sandwich. Wait, Rob, what
Speaker 7: are your thoughts on this? Nasan and Haley like the relate,
Speaker 7: well even just the relationship, like longevity and looking back
Speaker 7: at people's past crimes, and like, I'm just curious, like
Speaker 7: what your thoughts are on that?
Speaker 4: So my first thought when you said that was it
Speaker 4: reminds me of when someone meets someone who's in a
Speaker 4: relationship and they hook up and they start having a relationship,
Speaker 4: and then down the line they get cheated on and
Speaker 4: it's that thing of but you do remember your origin
Speaker 4: story was them cheating on someone else to meet you, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: like a snake's always going to be a snake. That's
Speaker 4: that's an oversimplification though, because the problem is, and like
Speaker 4: Sofa was saying, there is such a difference in the
Speaker 4: person you are at eighteen yep. And I'll speak for
Speaker 4: at least men and at thirty five, because it takes
Speaker 4: us a bit longer to pull our heads out of
Speaker 4: our asses. So at a certain point you have to
Speaker 4: decide are you going to hold on to who they
Speaker 4: were at eighteen or yeah? Am I going to be
Speaker 4: comfortable with who I know they have grown into?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So what's nice about it with you guys is what
Speaker 4: I get as a viewer is I feel like you
Speaker 4: know who he is up until the very very end
Speaker 4: of the episode, that you're you're comfortable, like you're confident, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: those are past transgressions, I know the man he is
Speaker 4: now we're good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, and it is really interesting, you know, even
Speaker 5: in the relationship between Nathan and David, Nathan talks about
Speaker 5: Haley and Chris Keller. He's like, look, everybody has these
Speaker 5: growing pains. Things happen. It's a reminder that Nathan is
Speaker 5: not the only person who's ever had a you know,
Speaker 5: indiscretion or a or a confusing time. And so there's
Speaker 5: something interesting about that. It's like we're being reminded that
Speaker 5: you two have grown up together. But yeah, it's tricky.
Speaker 4: And this, what they did with the phone number was
Speaker 4: particularly effective. Yeah, because you are it had to be
Speaker 4: something really clever and insidious for you to actually even
Speaker 4: give it a second thought. And so the fact that
Speaker 4: she is bold enough to go, it's going to take
Speaker 4: you ten seconds just look at this number, see if
Speaker 4: it's in there, because the truth is you have to
Speaker 4: check it right because otherwise, if it's not you, you
Speaker 4: clearly in that moment, now you know one hundred percent
Speaker 4: she's full of Yeah. So it's almost too brave to
Speaker 4: be a bluff. So you kind of have to look
Speaker 4: right because if you don't, like, I guess, it could
Speaker 4: be the end of it if it's not in there.
Speaker 4: But the fact that then you see it, it's.
Speaker 2: Like oh, now.
Speaker 4: I'm not getting the full story.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now it's really requiring.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to do some mental gymnastics to believe
Speaker 2: that this isn't something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And all I can think of, as if you
Speaker 5: were watching you find that phone number in his phone
Speaker 5: records is like, well but why? And was that was
Speaker 5: that like a number for an assistant at the sports
Speaker 5: agency that then Renee managed to like get transferred to her?
Speaker 5: Like what I mean it my brain? Yeah, but it's
Speaker 5: so great because it's a even if it's not what
Speaker 5: she says it is, it's a it's a concrete piece
Speaker 5: of evidence of something something, And that's really really a.
Speaker 4: Piece of a story that Nathan hasn't told you about.
Speaker 4: And it's so hard when when you're in a tricky
Speaker 4: situation like that, where there's doubt and there's big feelings,
Speaker 4: it's so hard to feel like information's being withheld from
Speaker 4: you because information isn't withheld unless there's an angle to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like if he is withholding it, why
Speaker 4: because if you're innocent, you just don't care, you know,
Speaker 4: like you're a prop of book. And so yeah, that
Speaker 4: was very effective. But I want to go back to
Speaker 4: start of the episode, because when I when Quinn walks
Speaker 4: out in her evening dress into Clay's apartment, I had
Speaker 4: such a big reaction, right, you know when parents say,
Speaker 4: I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. My note in all caps is,
Speaker 4: did Clay and Quinn have sex the first night they
Speaker 4: hung out? I think because I already I still feel
Speaker 4: so badly for David on how she gets the guy
Speaker 4: who just punched her husband current husband. She got in
Speaker 4: his car in front of her husband and left. So
Speaker 4: when she walked out, two thoughts. I thought, First of all,
Speaker 4: she is way too perfect and made up to have
Speaker 4: had sex and slept on that hair because she looks flawless,
Speaker 4: So first of all, bullshit. But then second of all,
Speaker 4: because I think I want to like Clay and Quinn. Again,
Speaker 4: I'm looking at this as a new viewer, right, I
Speaker 4: just thought that's a shy look. Guys like be better than that.
Speaker 4: And so the whole episode I found myself going, how
Speaker 4: have I not remembered that this was their origin story?
Speaker 4: This is a freaking bummer. And that's not until later
Speaker 4: in the episode we find out all they did actually
Speaker 4: was talk. But I did not like it as a viewer,
Speaker 4: I was pissed off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like, especially if there's a chemistry building
Speaker 2: up to just give it away so fast, that was
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been a good choice.
Speaker 5: It's so well done though, like that feeling of no,
Speaker 5: they couldn't possibly have and you see how angry Nathan
Speaker 5: is and even oh my god, like the way I
Speaker 5: felt like my skin was going to peel off when
Speaker 5: when Quinn goes we turned our phones off, I was like,
Speaker 5: what are you doing? Like they really drew it out
Speaker 5: so well, and it's and then it's so sweet when
Speaker 5: you get to the end of the episode and she
Speaker 5: thanks him for letting her crash and you realize these
Speaker 5: are two people going through a hard time, Yeah, that
Speaker 5: might just need to talk to each other. It was
Speaker 5: so refreshing, and it is really nice to know that
Speaker 5: even though they're in these clearly complicated times of transition,
Speaker 5: that they're not behaving wildly. I just again, I think
Speaker 5: it's the difference between high school and adulthood. Like I
Speaker 5: really felt for Quinn in the scene with You too, Joy,
Speaker 5: Like when you and shan Tell are sitting there talking
Speaker 5: about relationships. I caveat this what made me laugh was
Speaker 5: when you said if you and David can't make it,
Speaker 5: how well Nathan and I ever because I was like.
Speaker 4: We don't know these people.
Speaker 5: We've heard about their relationship, they've been broken up since
Speaker 5: the day they started, and we're comparing them to Neale,
Speaker 5: who we've been in love with for seven years. Like writers,
Speaker 5: that was the one fail for me. I was like, literally,
Speaker 5: the audience doesn't know anything about these two. But okay,
Speaker 5: But I loved where the conversation went because you realize
Speaker 5: that you know you're you're sitting there trying to figure
Speaker 5: out what to do about your marriage and wondering if
Speaker 5: it's as strong as it is, and your sister is
Speaker 5: sitting there saying I have stayed in a thing that
Speaker 5: is just dead for so long. There's like nothing I
Speaker 5: can do to salvage it. I've literally tried everything. I
Speaker 5: don't even have feelings anymore. And and those those two
Speaker 5: realities feel like the things that we all go through
Speaker 5: with our friends now, like they really feel like adult problems.
Speaker 5: And there was something very cool about the juxtaposition between
Speaker 5: our high school selves and our adult selves. I feel
Speaker 5: like the problems feel real and grown up, and that
Speaker 5: felt refreshing. The advice felt real, it felt you know, relevant, what.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about when you're saying that, rob about how
Speaker 2: wild that was, and also like that felt irresponsible, and
Speaker 2: they're turning their phones off.
Speaker 1: And there's something.
Speaker 2: About that that I actually really related to with Quinn,
Speaker 2: that the need for autonomy is when you've been in
Speaker 2: an environment for so long that I don't know again,
Speaker 2: like you say, we don't know their marriage, we don't
Speaker 2: know this relationship.
Speaker 1: Apparently it was great at one point, but.
Speaker 2: When you've had to report back to somebody for so
Speaker 2: long to to and now you're staying she's staying with
Speaker 2: her sister, and now her sister's upper butt, and like
Speaker 2: everybody's just like, where are you?
Speaker 1: What are you doing to be able to be.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to take them as a grown up.
Speaker 2: I am not my high school self anymore. I am
Speaker 2: not the girl who married this boy a long time ago.
Speaker 2: I need a moment, And I'm going to make a
Speaker 2: choice as an adult woman to go sit and spend
Speaker 2: the night in this man's house. And we're not going
Speaker 2: to sleep together, and even if we did is nobody's business.
Speaker 1: But I need a moment. I need a moment for
Speaker 1: myself and all y'all can just back off.
Speaker 5: I was into that, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was I mean, that's self care,
Speaker 4: you know, because these days everyone has access to you
Speaker 4: all day. Yep. Yeah, And when you turn off your phone,
Speaker 4: you are actually taking a pause from that, so I
Speaker 4: thought that was great. The one thing it's funny this
Speaker 4: is this is something I did remember was Quinn's line
Speaker 4: where Clay's phone is blowing up again in this moment,
Speaker 4: I'm still also like kissed off in my head like
Speaker 4: they had sex. Wasn't our origin story friendship? Like what
Speaker 4: why do I not remember any of this? And then
Speaker 4: when she goes, wow, your phone's doing a lot, I
Speaker 4: only have one thing that vibrates that much.
Speaker 1: Oh that was one of those lines. So if you're
Speaker 1: talking about like.
Speaker 4: Why doing why? Like what are we? What a human being? Like?
Speaker 4: What is what is happening? What is the dynamic? What
Speaker 4: is relationship that in this moment, that's the line. What?
Speaker 1: No, it's so inappropriate where it.
Speaker 4: Was the shan tell because she she she delivered it
Speaker 4: as well as it could be delivered, so she did
Speaker 4: great with it.
Speaker 5: But like what it's so gross.
Speaker 4: You see the signature of our boss on that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's the whole thing, right, is like, oh,
Speaker 5: all the girls are skanks and sex fiends and they
Speaker 5: just stripped their clothes off in front of men, and
Speaker 5: how are the men that were supposed to resist? And
Speaker 5: it's like no, No, Mostly people fall in love because
Speaker 5: they hang out and they become friends and then they
Speaker 5: decide they want to kiss each other's faces. I don't,
Speaker 5: I don't. I've never met a human who like, just
Speaker 5: you know, does what Alex Duprey did in this episode.
Speaker 1: No, it's gig all over again. It's just absurd.
Speaker 5: Well, and it's recycling of things, even the fact that
Speaker 5: in season one, Peyton makes the joke that Brooks leopard
Speaker 5: bra is like a welcome mat, and then the top
Speaker 5: of this episode, Brooks says to Julian, Alex's underwear is
Speaker 5: like a welcome mat.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Good callback such a lack of creativity, It's so crazy.
Speaker 4: Jenna does such a good job as Alex, and she
Speaker 4: has shown that she is able to play all of
Speaker 4: the different speeds very well. She can stick the hell
Speaker 4: out of the comedy. But then when she's given a
Speaker 4: sincere change, like a change up, she hits it, and
Speaker 4: then I just feel like this episode just undermined the
Speaker 4: sh out of all of the building we were doing
Speaker 4: to show that there's more there than meets the eye
Speaker 4: because we've seen hints of it. It's like it is
Speaker 4: her over sexualization is so freaking heavy handed in this
Speaker 4: episode that, honestly, it just bummed me out and it
Speaker 4: left me just going Now, she just seems manic because
Speaker 4: she is so myopic in that scene with Julian where
Speaker 4: it's just sex, sex sect this thing she's so excited
Speaker 4: about she wrote, she loves, she respects Julian. She finally
Speaker 4: has his attention. They're talking about it and she can't
Speaker 4: be bothered, and all she wants to do is just
Speaker 4: have sex with him and then take off her clothes.
Speaker 4: And then two scenes later she's like, he's the only
Speaker 4: one who believed in the thing I love. It's like this,
Speaker 4: you just seem manic now because it's it's just peaks
Speaker 4: and valleys with her.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a really good indicator that it was written
Speaker 5: by a man who really has never had female friendships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe a man who is drawn to women
Speaker 2: with trauma. Because there's so many female characters that he
Speaker 2: writes that the over sexualization doesn't read as powerful in
Speaker 2: control and knows what she wants.
Speaker 1: It reads like trauma.
Speaker 2: And the fact that that's what's going on in the
Speaker 2: mind of the person that put all these characters on
Speaker 2: paper is so disturbing.
Speaker 1: And it was also I think a huge.
Speaker 2: Massive credit to the women playing these characters who were
Speaker 2: able to receive this material and transcend it and create
Speaker 2: th real, three dimensional women in spite of some of
Speaker 2: the stupid lines they had to say and you know,
Speaker 2: compromising positions that they had to be put into. Kudos
Speaker 2: to every single woman on this show who was put
Speaker 2: into that position truly, I meaned Jane included.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and particularly in this episode, it's really incredible to
Speaker 5: see what Jana does with the material and that she
Speaker 5: has the wherewithal to lean into some of that manic
Speaker 5: energy so that you know that there's something else going
Speaker 5: on here and that whatever's happened to this person, she's
Speaker 5: essentially learned that this is the only way she's going
Speaker 5: to get anywhere, and how sad and that she knows
Speaker 5: she pushed it too far when you see her having
Speaker 5: a total meltdown about the cheesecake and she gets into
Speaker 5: it with Brooke and then she calls Milicent because she
Speaker 5: needs a friend. And the scene with Jana and Lisa
Speaker 5: is so frickin charming and they are so cute together
Speaker 5: and so funny, and it really, again is just such
Speaker 5: a testament that this character can be put in these
Speaker 5: positions by a writer with no taste and still managed
Speaker 5: to be, as you just said, joy, so three dimensional,
Speaker 5: so absolutely lovable. Like I have to go and brate her,
Speaker 5: and all I want, all I want to see is
Speaker 5: for Alex to win, Like I really want her to
Speaker 5: know what she's worth. And technically in this season she's
Speaker 5: my mortal enemy and I love her and like that's
Speaker 5: because Jenna's Jenn.
Speaker 1: I was surprised Julian walked into the hotel room.
Speaker 5: I was too. I was surprised there was especially because
Speaker 5: they have chemistry.
Speaker 4: There was a couple of red flags that he just
Speaker 4: chose to overlook. Yeah, he by the way, he did
Speaker 4: a great job in that scene. I think Austin has
Speaker 4: a sincerity and an earnestness to him that sort of
Speaker 4: plays to a natural innocence. And I don't want not theevity,
Speaker 4: but like childlike innocence, you know, and it comes out
Speaker 4: in this scene where he's sort of just like hoping
Speaker 4: for the best and like, maybe she made a mistake.
Speaker 4: She didn't realize she should be wearing pants, you know,
Speaker 4: anything that a normal adult would be, Like, you're an adult,
Speaker 4: you know you should be wearing pants. But yeah, he
Speaker 4: looked the other way to couple red flags. But he
Speaker 4: had been watching him play the discomfort of that scene.
Speaker 4: He did such a great job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun to watch.
Speaker 5: It's fun too to watch someone like just In in
Speaker 5: terms of physicality, someone who is as big and handsome
Speaker 5: as Austin be so physically funny and awkward, you know,
Speaker 5: like he's an athlete. He's like a really really really
Speaker 5: good surfer. You know, that's a person who's in control
Speaker 5: of his body. And when he gets all gangly, kind
Speaker 5: of like a Great Dane puppy, like when their legs
Speaker 5: are too long for their body, it just like it
Speaker 5: almost makes me do a spit take laughing. And I
Speaker 5: love that he gets to do that because I do
Speaker 5: think so often on the show, like all you guys
Speaker 5: were put in the like hot, handsome hero position, and
Speaker 5: I love when you get to be goofy. I love
Speaker 5: when the boys, you know, get to be a little uncomfortable,
Speaker 5: and seeing him play it like that reminded me a
Speaker 5: little bit of what we got to see in his
Speaker 5: scenes with Gregory Harrison with his dad, where you see
Speaker 5: that boy who just wants approval, Like you see this
Speaker 5: boy who just wants to make movies kind of battling
Speaker 5: with a man who's like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 5: Why is this woman taking off all her clothes? And
Speaker 5: I just I love that he went there. I love
Speaker 5: that he didn't try to play it cool. I like
Speaker 5: that he played it in a full, awkward panic. I
Speaker 5: thought it was a great choice.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they allowed him to morph his character too,
Speaker 2: because that's not the Julian that we met. That's not
Speaker 2: the way he started out. Yeah, And in spite of
Speaker 2: the fact that there was, it took a little time
Speaker 2: to transition into this maybe real version of Julian what
Speaker 2: was underneath all of it, because you know, he's had
Speaker 2: women throw themselves at him.
Speaker 1: He's been in that position before, but never while in love,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know, to see the real young
Speaker 2: young I say, but sort of the bumbly, awkward version
Speaker 2: of him, is really I'm really glad he landed there
Speaker 2: and that they let him land there because the other
Speaker 2: Julian was not interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't think the earlier one was just I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've seen a million of those exactly.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Well, it's also interesting that Julian came in
Speaker 4: as sort of who he was Julian one point zero uh,
Speaker 4: and and sort of watching him become the like softer
Speaker 4: goofyar Julian. I'm now realizing we do that with Clay,
Speaker 4: where Clay comes in and he's kind of mysterious. Maybe
Speaker 4: is he a bad boy? He's broken, he's wounded, and
Speaker 4: by like later in this show, I'm my weird flag
Speaker 4: is flying all the way up there. Mouth has a
Speaker 4: very un sexy, unleading man arc coming up when they
Speaker 4: just made him gain weight for an entire season, that
Speaker 4: was his whole story. It's it's interesting how it was
Speaker 4: almost like they kind of went, you know what, let's
Speaker 4: just neuter all of our male characters for like a while.
Speaker 4: Let's let's have them all lose their edge at the
Speaker 4: same time, because truly, Julian can't high five, Clay wears
Speaker 4: weird shirts and has a best friendship with his with
Speaker 4: his chair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nathan, Nathan's still a jerk deep down. He's still
Speaker 2: a manipulator deep down, my parents, let's just discredit all
Speaker 2: the men.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Did you notice that when you when we
Speaker 1: were filming it or are you only seeing it in retrospect.
Speaker 4: Only in hindsight? Because also Clay's Clay didn't morph. I
Speaker 4: truly wonder if that was what they had in mind
Speaker 4: for the character or they were just playing to the
Speaker 4: fact that in real life. That's kind of like my
Speaker 4: strikes on him just silly and irreverent because they ended
Speaker 4: up using a lot of other stuff from my life.
Speaker 4: But with Julian, Yeah, like the fact he couldn't high
Speaker 4: five What are we doing?
Speaker 1: Why is that a joke?
Speaker 4: That is the creative equivalent of just going like, ah,
Speaker 4: they're all the women are prostitutes. It's like, oh, did
Speaker 4: you spend five fule seconds brainstorming that idea for all
Speaker 4: the women in jailer prostitutes? It's sort of like, how
Speaker 4: do I show how to make him goofy? He doesn't
Speaker 4: know how to high five guys he's been on earth
Speaker 4: for thirty five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all know.
Speaker 5: It's truly so weird. But it's interesting because I don't
Speaker 5: know if we ever talked about this, Rob. I know
Speaker 5: the girls and I did, but we got a lot
Speaker 5: of this sort of inside baseball on some of these
Speaker 5: decisions at the end of season eight because we didn't
Speaker 5: think we were coming back for season nine. So some
Speaker 5: of our allies and the writers are really like, let
Speaker 5: us in on some stuff. And I know for a
Speaker 5: fact that our boss wanted to wonderful word choice you
Speaker 5: use their newd or Julian because Brooke and Julian were
Speaker 5: going to get married, and by now by that season,
Speaker 5: our boss had completely lost his mind and he didn't
Speaker 5: want a bunch of Julian's friends, like hot guys from
Speaker 5: LA and New York from the film scene coming in
Speaker 5: for the pre wedding and wedding episodes because he was
Speaker 5: so territorial about women on set. So that's why Jamie
Speaker 5: was Julian's best man, because our boss didn't want to
Speaker 5: bring in a bunch of hot, young single guys to.
Speaker 1: Our first four days to compete.
Speaker 5: Against him, even though he, you know, has been married
Speaker 5: since he was twenty.
Speaker 4: This is just like how William Shakespeare was so jealous
Speaker 4: of Macbeth, and that's why he might do all those
Speaker 4: embarrassing like what are we doing here? What he created
Speaker 4: this world? How are you threatened to buy it? It's fiction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're threatened by the characters that you're writing.
Speaker 5: Huh. Oh my god. Yeah, because there was a whole
Speaker 5: Julian had an arc written and they changed it.
Speaker 4: So I love the idea, though, it's so it's so perfect.
Speaker 4: It's so dumb that just because Julian is handsome, that
Speaker 4: his friends have to be handsome, only pretty, only tens
Speaker 4: have friends, are friends with tens. Roberts a world in
Speaker 4: the c W world still though, like he can't have
Speaker 4: like a you know, like it's insane he can't have
Speaker 4: his best childhood friends. I just love the fact that
Speaker 4: like it's either hot dudes or bust It's like, no, man, really,
Speaker 4: not every producer is hot. You know, they don't have
Speaker 4: to all be leading men. It's just it's just so silky.
Speaker 5: It's all really silly. But it is interesting that that
Speaker 5: you see all of these shifts beginning, and that we
Speaker 5: see Mouth sort of go back into the space where
Speaker 5: he's even him. He's jealous of Milicent, he's jealous of
Speaker 5: her changing and of her like but I don't know,
Speaker 5: becoming cool, being a model like the word seems so
Speaker 5: triggering for him. And I think we're so lucky that
Speaker 5: we have Lee playing this role because you can see
Speaker 5: his nervousness and that he's maybe not even so proud
Speaker 5: of what he's saying. But I wonder why that was.
Speaker 5: I wonder why that was the choice to sort of
Speaker 5: shame Millisy. It's character for, you know, wanting to have
Speaker 5: an adventure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really strange.
Speaker 2: By the way, the introduction of zero is not a
Speaker 2: size and this episode is exciting.
Speaker 1: I was glad to see.
Speaker 2: I had forgotten where that showed up in the series,
Speaker 2: so that was really speaking of humans coming in all
Speaker 2: shapes and sizes. That was really fun to see. And
Speaker 2: this made me think about something too, because it was
Speaker 2: weird that she was shamed for wanting to have a
Speaker 2: new adventure, but also the way she's going about it,
Speaker 2: there's like an insecurity that's being fed that I imagine we
Speaker 2: all can relate to, like when you're The note I
Speaker 2: had was what it's like to be invited into something
Speaker 2: you never thought was possible that you might be invited
Speaker 2: into and then suddenly you're getting validation. Like it's hard
Speaker 2: to not get caught up in that and wrap your
Speaker 2: identity up in that, especially when it's it's a particular
Speaker 2: nerve of any insecurity or of like blind spot.
Speaker 1: That you might have.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's tough, that's tough to navigate. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 2: have any conclusions. I just it was an observation that
Speaker 2: I thought, that's pretty human that she would want to
Speaker 2: get she would really be attracted to that, and why
Speaker 2: shouldn't she, Like she's beautiful and how put an amazing opportunity,
Speaker 2: But why is she feeling so guilty about it?
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel a lot like Milly in that.
Speaker 4: When I was invited to join.
Speaker 1: The drama podcast, I set you up, I was.
Speaker 4: Like, do you want to be in the big leagues?
Speaker 4: And I thought, here I was. I was going to be,
Speaker 4: you know, just amateur leagues my whole life. And I
Speaker 4: was worried if it was going to change me. And
Speaker 4: it has. I've become a terrible person to.
Speaker 1: Be shifted your identity.
Speaker 4: It has. It's just merely allowed what has been deep
Speaker 4: inside me to just fully come out, now, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't understand I understand her hesitancy completely, because, like
Speaker 4: you said, it's a new thing. Do I deserve this?
Speaker 4: Am I gonna get ripped on? Like you don't know
Speaker 4: what to expect? My note with mouth was mouth, he's
Speaker 4: a therapist. Like you had a reaction, Go seriously, just
Speaker 4: go talk to someone for forty five minutes because everything
Speaker 4: you're doing is just projecting your own bullshit onto her.
Speaker 4: Like that's your girlfriend, you know who she is. You
Speaker 4: obviously just have hang ups about what that job is.
Speaker 4: Go work it out with someone and then be supportive.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why wasn't the reaction like whoa, what a bizarre
Speaker 2: and amazing turn of events.
Speaker 1: I hope you have fun?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Good? Are you happy about this? Okay? Awesome? Yeah, congratulations?
Speaker 1: Yes, one oh one? How do you feel? Don't rain
Speaker 1: on her parade?
Speaker 4: I want to say that chasing me are adorable.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: But the show couldn't help but it because they had
Speaker 4: to like try to have sex in a plane and
Speaker 4: of course make a joke about how Steven has sex
Speaker 4: for less than a minute. But another great line was
Speaker 4: when they're at the runway and he says, would you
Speaker 4: like to come up up for a flight? And she says, eh, now,
Speaker 4: musicians and small planes don't mix. Funny line. But even
Speaker 4: better is his response, which is, I guess I need
Speaker 4: to learn how to fly a bigger plane. And I thought, oh,
Speaker 4: sweet button. Yeah, and they both look they're like so young,
Speaker 4: sweet Stevie.
Speaker 5: They're just so cute together. We rob Do you know
Speaker 5: the backstory to that was Stephen actually taking flying lessons?
Speaker 5: I can't remember why. Why is he becoming a pilot?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Super random.
Speaker 4: No, that's not something Steven does in real life.
Speaker 5: Okay, we're gonna have to phone a friend and ask him.
Speaker 4: I can phone a friend.
Speaker 5: It's a sweet story for them, and I really love
Speaker 5: that it. While we're seeing so much sort of toxic
Speaker 5: content between men and women in this episode, I really
Speaker 5: love that this man is admitting to his girlfriend, Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm following my dream because I saw you do it.
Speaker 5: It's so simple and it's so sweet. Yeah, And I
Speaker 5: don't know, I just I really love that.
Speaker 1: It was about time. Bartending's great if you really are
Speaker 1: passionate about it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you could build a career off of it.
Speaker 2: But Chase didn't seem like a passionate bartender. He seemed
Speaker 2: like an intermittent bartender. Yeah, so I'm glad that he's
Speaker 2: stepping into something new.
Speaker 4: Yeah, give Steven something to do. Also, he's a fun
Speaker 4: actor to watch. The bar manager thing we've been doing
Speaker 4: for a whole season now, and his drinks suck. Okay,
Speaker 4: those are two bits, and we've been doing him for
Speaker 4: a year, so let's give him something else. One thing
Speaker 4: this episode did get right was Quinn's aunt, Quinn's cereal. Guys,
Speaker 4: can we talk about what a gorgeous, delicious bowl of cereal?
Speaker 5: She made stuff for Jake Cookie's and milk.
Speaker 4: Straight up, she just put whole ass oreos in a
Speaker 4: bowl and poured milk over it and gave him a spoon.
Speaker 4: My mind was blown. I was like, how is this
Speaker 4: not on TikTok? I would devour serial.
Speaker 2: I guess what I think it is now because the
Speaker 2: kids I see this happen when I go to Maria's
Speaker 2: friend's house and pick her up after ast over whatever,
Speaker 2: they're sitting around eating in oreos in milk.
Speaker 1: It's horrendous.
Speaker 5: It's basically like a melted blizzard.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that makes me feel a little bit better.
Speaker 5: Which is perhaps my favorite ice cream. But yeah, it's
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 4: It's a deconstructed blizzard. Yeah, a pretentiou chef would call.
Speaker 5: It exactly at a molecular gastronomy restaurant. I think there's yes.
Speaker 5: I think there's definitely an honorable mention for the cookie cereal,
Speaker 5: and I would honestly like to give one because I
Speaker 5: know we're coming to the end of time to Dan
Speaker 5: and Rachel, Rachel coming with that tabloid. They were in
Speaker 5: so little of the episode because this was such a
Speaker 5: big episode for the whole ensemble, but those scenes with
Speaker 5: two of them, with the way they're plotting, and then
Speaker 5: when Paul stays on the phone after James hangs up
Speaker 5: on him and pretends he's talking to his son. Oh,
Speaker 5: it was all just so so good and it makes
Speaker 5: you real eyes because it sort of triggered for me, Oh,
Speaker 5: I remember where this goes. I don't want to spoil
Speaker 5: anything for the audience, but when he gets rejected by
Speaker 5: his son and then he goes to Renee to plot,
Speaker 5: you just go, oh, this is going to be terrible,
Speaker 5: and my god, it's a good device.
Speaker 1: I loved it. It's a good advice.
Speaker 2: That also is my honorable mention, but more specifically Dan saying,
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing the licorice whips.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is my question I had for you all.
Speaker 4: Is this something because the licorice whips the licorice ropes
Speaker 4: were very jarring for me. Is this a thing? Is
Speaker 4: to do Dan in licorice ropes have a history in
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 1: So random, so completely random.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it came from, but I do
Speaker 2: know that it was his idea at the end of
Speaker 2: the episode to be chewing on a licorice whip, because
Speaker 2: I think they just wrote the line in and of
Speaker 2: course Paul was like, well, how do we wrap the
Speaker 2: loop up on the story?
Speaker 1: You know, excellent writer and director that He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't. You can't have a gun on.
Speaker 2: Stage and I'll have to go off, you know at
Speaker 2: the end of it too, like where's my liquorage?
Speaker 4: So good?
Speaker 1: I thought that was really hilarious.
Speaker 4: That's my fun mentioned when he says to the PA
Speaker 4: at the top of the episode, he goes, where the
Speaker 4: where the liquorice? Is it liquorice whip or liquorish licorice rope?
Speaker 4: Is it? Wi? Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought it was liquorice whips.
Speaker 4: That's what let's call it that he says where the
Speaker 4: liquorice whips, and the PA goes, Oh, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 4: must have forgotten them. He makes the most uncomfortable choice
Speaker 4: where he leans. He's clearly pissed, but then he's not pissed.
Speaker 4: He decides to lean in and just whispers, I forgive you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, guy, be angry at me, because whatever this
Speaker 4: is is uncomfortable. Your forgiveness makes me want to take
Speaker 4: a shower. Yeah, good.
Speaker 5: That that's That's a line I want on a T shirt.
Speaker 1: I forget of you or licorice whips.
Speaker 5: That is funny, Rob, Your forgiveness makes me want to
Speaker 5: take a shower.
Speaker 6: That is a class line.
Speaker 5: We have a listener question from Kat. She asks, what
Speaker 5: is one lesson you learned from portraying your character that
Speaker 5: has stuck with you in real life? Perhaps it's about snacks.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Man's such a good question.
Speaker 2: It just requires so much proximity to the moment, and
Speaker 2: I'm so far away from it years later.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I might if you think about this
Speaker 1: for a second, you want anything at the ready?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: What stands out to me? Honestly, and it's not necessarily
Speaker 5: about the whole course of our nine years, but in
Speaker 5: this episode, in particular, when Millie runs in to work
Speaker 5: apologizing for being late and says, please don't fire me,
Speaker 5: and then you know, I throw my arms around her
Speaker 5: and basically pick her up, and then she says, please
Speaker 5: don't have sex with me. Like, I loved the comedy
Speaker 5: for Lisa. But one of the things I really like
Speaker 5: that we get to see in Brook as an adult
Speaker 5: that I'm really passionate about my life is that it's
Speaker 5: it's the running towards celebrating your friends, running towards saying
Speaker 5: you might not see yourself this way, but I do that.
Speaker 5: That is something that is like the joy of my
Speaker 5: life is to celebrate my friendships and to brag about
Speaker 5: my friends, and to big up my friends, and to like,
Speaker 5: you know, be in their comments, being like you look beautiful,
Speaker 5: you're so hot, you're so smart, whatever. It is, Like,
Speaker 5: I love to cheerlead the people in my life that
Speaker 5: are doing amazing things. And I really love that for
Speaker 5: all of the flaws of our show, our characters got
Speaker 5: to do a lot of that for each other too,
Speaker 5: Like we were each other biggest fans. And I'm proud
Speaker 5: of modeling that I'm not so proud of like modeling
Speaker 5: everybody getting naked everywhere, But I'm really proud of that.
Speaker 2: That's true. That is a quality that you possess. I
Speaker 2: was always kind of uncomfortable with that. I think I
Speaker 2: grew up feeling a lot like my voice didn't matter,
Speaker 2: like what I had, any encouragement I had to offer,
Speaker 2: whatever I had to say, it didn't really matter.
Speaker 4: So I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I just didn't say it very often.
Speaker 2: And it's been as a mom, I've learned a lot
Speaker 2: about how important it is to I still feel weird
Speaker 2: about doing it. Like I'll go to a baseball game
Speaker 2: and I'm cheering, and I'm like, it is so uncomfortable
Speaker 2: in my body for to shout out things that I
Speaker 2: don't even really understand what I'm saying. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: I know I'm saying something and I'm cheering the team,
Speaker 2: but like I feel awkward, like a faker, But I
Speaker 2: want to be an encourager.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't really taught how.
Speaker 2: But I have noticed that about you, and I've learned
Speaker 2: that from you too, and from yeah, from Brook, That's
Speaker 2: so true, Like we really all did that's a great answer.
Speaker 2: Sorry to babble, it just made me think I still
Speaker 2: don't have an answer, corop.
Speaker 4: It is it's such a it's a great quality of
Speaker 4: your sof and I think it's just a it's a
Speaker 4: great it's an attractive quality in general. I mean I
Speaker 4: have learned as an adult like life is a team sport. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so when someone in my community has a win, that's
Speaker 4: a team win. Yeah, and we celebrate that together. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like the old adage, a joy shared is doubled,
Speaker 4: a burden shared is have And that's what I've found,
Speaker 4: you know, because for so long I was trying to
Speaker 4: do it as a solo sport, and it was like
Speaker 4: it's just so much harder that way, where it's like
Speaker 4: if we celebrate each other, if we share our troubles,
Speaker 4: everything is just so much easier and also more enjoyable.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's great.
Speaker 4: I would say for Clay it would just be embracing
Speaker 4: who you are, because I think, especially as we get
Speaker 4: on in the series, we really see Clay become very
Speaker 4: comfortable and owning who he is and really letting his
Speaker 4: sort of freak flag fly high. And that's something that
Speaker 4: as I've gotten older in life. It's like I used
Speaker 4: to be so concerned with curating everyone's experience of me
Speaker 4: and what everyone thought of me. And there's a certain
Speaker 4: comfort in like I've found my person, I've got my family, Like, respectfully,
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck. I'm just gonna do me
Speaker 4: and my people are gonna get it and be into it,
Speaker 4: and that's gonna be okay. I don't have to bat
Speaker 4: a thousand and making new friends every day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so refreshing.
Speaker 2: I feel like Haley's sense of her sense of loyalty
Speaker 2: and determination to see the best in people and keep
Speaker 2: believing in that.
Speaker 1: Was that had to have been a really healthy Actually
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was healthy at the time, but.
Speaker 2: Probably getting it in your muscle memory, you know, Like
Speaker 2: that's what the we've talked about this the body keeps
Speaker 2: the score, and how your body doesn't know the difference
Speaker 2: when you're acting, and.
Speaker 1: How that's true the good things too.
Speaker 2: I think that's true for when you show up and
Speaker 2: keep portraying someone who is persistent in their loyalty and
Speaker 2: in their belief in the best in people. I think
Speaker 2: that definitely helped stick with me in times when I
Speaker 2: wasn't sure if I could trust, I wasn't sure how
Speaker 2: to trust, and not letting go of that optimism, because
Speaker 2: when you've really been run over and life has really
Speaker 2: kicked your ass, the easiest thing to do in the
Speaker 2: moment is to just close off and.
Speaker 1: Be like you know what, never mind, like none of
Speaker 1: you get in. I'm not letting anybody in. I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'll just be by myself and to start to like
Speaker 2: let the cracks in and let the light in and
Speaker 2: know that you just can't live your life that way.
Speaker 2: You can't live your life walking around guarding yourself from
Speaker 2: everyone though trusted can be a really hard thing. I
Speaker 2: think Haley was really good at that, and I think
Speaker 2: that got into my muscle memory probably really helped me
Speaker 2: when I needed it to be able to open up more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love That's what I have to say. That's
Speaker 1: a good question, it was, thanks Kat.
Speaker 5: Should we spin a wheel?
Speaker 1: Kids?
Speaker 4: Wheel?
Speaker 1: I don't want to answer this.
Speaker 4: Most likely to not shower for a week.
Speaker 5: It's this is an absolute no.
Speaker 1: No, that's rough.
Speaker 4: Can I submit an answer though for consideration?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 4: Dan Scott when he hit rock bottom? Yeah, okay, he's
Speaker 4: living in a hotel room just drinking himself to death.
Speaker 4: I would buy that.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Tuche, I have been there. I have been
Speaker 2: in a depressive state. I don't know if I lasted
Speaker 2: a week, but it might have come close. You just
Speaker 2: can't function. I could see that. I'll take the I'll
Speaker 2: take the hit on that one, not just out of
Speaker 2: like a forgetting or neglect.
Speaker 1: Never, I wouldn't answer that.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think I actually know anyone that would fit
Speaker 2: the bill anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, Joy, I've I've I have battled depression.
Speaker 4: I've been in tough places. I listened, Hijieman, I've been
Speaker 4: the top of my to do list, but that that got.
Speaker 5: Done exactly know.
Speaker 4: I never I've never made it a full week.
Speaker 1: Y Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: made a full week.
Speaker 2: Well the ticket, Especially when you're depressed, taking a shower
Speaker 2: actually can make you feel a lot better.
Speaker 4: Yes, you don't ever step out of a hot shower
Speaker 4: going I wish i'd done that, you know. It's not
Speaker 4: like having a cigarette or something. It's like I used
Speaker 4: to have a shower that was a waste of time.
Speaker 5: Never, not once.
Speaker 4: Not once, it's so good.
Speaker 1: Well, what episode do we have next?
Speaker 4: Guys?
Speaker 5: Let's see all right, friends, Next week we are up
Speaker 5: with season seven, episode six, Deep Ocean Vast see m
Speaker 5: alrighty sounds foreboding.
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