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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama girl, drama girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them.

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Speaker 1: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And

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Speaker 1: our comic girl shared for the right teams.

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Speaker 3: Drama Queens, Jaylie's go up girl Fashion, which your tough girl,

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Speaker 3: you could sit with us Girl, Drama Queen Drama, Queens Drama,

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to start by saying, joy you were

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Speaker 4: sorely missed last week.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 4: We had a wonderful guest in Daphne. She came by

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Speaker 4: and was so much fun. But you know, it didn't

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Speaker 4: fill the joy sized void in my heart, probably the

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Speaker 4: hearts of everyone. So welcome back from.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm thrilled to be back. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a harried week last week, and I'm really

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Speaker 2: happy to be slowing down a little bit. Folks for

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Speaker 2: you out there who don't know, you have Portland, London,

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Speaker 2: and I was gonna say Paris, but you don't have Paris.

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Speaker 2: You have Michigan, in London, in Michigan.

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Speaker 5: Today, my my Paris trip was sadly short.

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Speaker 1: It looked spectacular.

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Speaker 5: Oh what is cooler than the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, I really don't know.

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Speaker 5: It's such an amazing thing to experience, and to experience

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Speaker 5: it in one of my favorite cities. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 5: just so surreal. Like the horse riding events were at

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Speaker 5: the Palace of Versailles.

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Speaker 1: Oh stop, yere Versai at Versailles. God, that's amazing.

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Speaker 5: I was like watching these gorgeous riders on these big,

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Speaker 5: beautiful horses ride through ponds in front of a palace.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, this is just once in a lifetime.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it felt once in a lifetime.

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Speaker 1: It was very cool, once in many lifetimes.

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Speaker 5: I wish I was still there. But I will also

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Speaker 5: say that being in Michigan doing the work Nea and

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Speaker 5: I do, I'm getting to see a couple of places

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Speaker 5: I have never been before in the state, and then

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Speaker 5: in the state. Ironically, today we're leaving Harbor Springs and

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Speaker 5: going to Traverse City. And guess who first took me

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Speaker 5: to Traverse City. Janna Kramer.

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Speaker 4: Oh no way.

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Speaker 5: It's like I'm having a very one tree hill day

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Speaker 5: today with you guys and this. Yeah, it's very fun.

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Speaker 4: Are you all Winter Olympics or Summer Olympics? Folks?

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Speaker 5: All Olympics?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I tune in more for

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Speaker 2: winter because I was an ice skating kid, like I

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Speaker 2: curling always seemed so strange.

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Speaker 1: I was fascinated by.

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Speaker 5: It's such a weird sport.

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Speaker 2: The randomness of curling and skiing. Yeah, I think I'm

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Speaker 1: If I had to pick, what are you rav?

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Speaker 4: Well, I ask because I feel like I remember the

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Speaker 4: Summer Olympics being kind of like the headed stepchild. Like

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Speaker 1: Summer Olympics.

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Speaker 4: However, they've just rolled around and I'm watching it fascinated,

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Speaker 4: and I found myself going, wait, how are these not cool?

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Speaker 4: This is awesome? You know.

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Speaker 1: I was just talking with somebody. They're so cool.

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Speaker 2: I was just talking to somebody three days ago who

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Speaker 2: There was some reason the topic came up, but basically

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Speaker 2: the statement that was said that blew my mind was yeah,

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Speaker 2: but nobody cares about the Winter Olympics. The only people,

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Speaker 2: entire world watches the Summer Olympics, the winter or like whatever.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, what planet did you grow up on?

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Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who wasn't obsessed with the Winter Olympics.

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Speaker 5: I mean, how are you going to pick between like

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Speaker 5: I don't know why anybody would suggest that one season

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Speaker 1: Sophia, magic for all, every magic for magic.

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Speaker 5: Listen. I think, like the way I think kids feel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do we all?

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if this is still a younger generation did

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Speaker 1: Because when we were kids, there was.

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Speaker 2: Ten channels on the television, and when the Olympics were on,

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Speaker 1: And now it's like, yeah, watch the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Great, Or if you want to watch a real crime

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Speaker 2: show on History Channel or book any other channel, you

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Speaker 2: can watch that, or seven hundred and fifty other things

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Speaker 2: like did you see a lot of younger crowds there

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Speaker 5: No, I mean full, incredible smattering of like everybody. There's

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Speaker 5: families traveling, there's I mean, god, I saw adorable elderly

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Speaker 4: I saw a hilarious tweet that said a person was

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Speaker 4: basically saying, I'm still petitioning the Olympic committee. Just before

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Speaker 4: every event, let one average, random person to the event.

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Speaker 4: That way we have a frame of reference for just

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Speaker 1: I love that idea. Why are we not doing that?

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Speaker 1: I feel like everybody could get behind that. I feel

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Speaker 2: Could wear like you know, the advertising could go on jerseys.

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Speaker 1: I mean that would unite the world for sure. Are

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Speaker 2: Everybody would tune in for that as many people as

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Speaker 1: Everybody would tune in for that.

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Speaker 4: What if? What if hear me out? Because I love

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Speaker 4: that angle also and sort of a less severe Hunger

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Speaker 4: Games way. What if instead of giving people like four

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Speaker 5: It would be so painful.

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Speaker 2: That is a dystopian version of society that I am

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Speaker 5: Did you see the other tweet that is going viral

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Speaker 5: in this subject matter where somebody essentially said that the

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Speaker 5: one normal person who does said Olympic event so we

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Speaker 5: selection like jury duty, to just get a notice in

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Speaker 5: the mail and it's like this year you're competing for

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Speaker 5: your country on the pommel horse.

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Speaker 4: Like huh, I guess what we're saying, future Olympic committees

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Speaker 4: at whatever event, winter or summer, because we love them

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Speaker 4: both equally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just let us know I would do that instead

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Speaker 2: of jury duty. I'm volunteering. Sure, do that, instead of

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Speaker 2: jury duty, no problem. Happy to make an ass out

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Speaker 1: Might as well. Might as well do it in the Olympics.

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Speaker 5: Do it for your country.

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Speaker 4: Should we talk about this episode game?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Rob, you want to tell everybody what the heck

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Speaker 1: A big id love.

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Speaker 4: To it was a big one. Season seven, episode five,

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Speaker 4: Your Cheating Heart air day, October twelfth, two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 4: Haley is thrust into the spotlight and storm of Nathan's

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Speaker 4: growing scandal. Against her better judgment, Brook allows Julian to

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Speaker 4: continue working with Alex while Millicent gets a new job

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Speaker 4: which may cause trouble for Mouth. Meanwhile, Clay and Quinn

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Speaker 4: grow closer. Directed by Pistol Pete Kowalski, I do best talking.

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Speaker 2: About making an ass out of yourself in front of

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Speaker 2: people in public. I mean, Haley with this slap, this

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't call that making an ass. That was kind

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm gonna take it.

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Speaker 4: There was some strong Mama Bear and instincts happening there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Haley's got a habit of doing this that

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Speaker 1: Third person I've maybe fourth.

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably the fourth person I've slapped on

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Speaker 2: the show, which makes me feel like Haley definitely grew

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Speaker 4: This episode, as per usual, had so many great quotables

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Speaker 4: in it. Yeah, and this opening scene with you and James.

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Speaker 4: a good teammate and he says, there are worse things

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Speaker 4: than hitting a pregnant woman. You say, yeah, like what,

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Speaker 4: and he just takes a slow sip of his coffee goes,

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Speaker 5: It was so good.

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Speaker 2: I was really into the Name than Haley storyline in

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Speaker 2: this episode. It was fun to see them. It was

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Speaker 2: fun to see them processing through something. I feel like

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Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of them at odds when something

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Speaker 2: be able to face something together head on, that like

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Speaker 2: a real mature growth in the relationship and important to

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Speaker 5: I agree. We actually talked about that a little bit

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Speaker 5: last week with Daphne that it's really refreshing, and look,

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Speaker 5: TV needs drama, right, but it's really refreshing that instead

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so much more believable that she is so

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Speaker 2: And my question is, when your relationship starts on manipulation

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Speaker 5: do get so scared to, you know, figuratively, be called

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Speaker 2: And the fact that she knows she's going to find

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Speaker 2: That's who she met, that's who she fell in love with,

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Speaker 5: Well? Because so often when you look at all of

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Speaker 5: like you know, you go huh, okay, the bad deeds

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, it kind of carried over to this one,

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Speaker 5: What I remember too about that joy is again with

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Speaker 1: I may have just done that, but I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: I hope I didn't, but I don't.

442
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,479
Speaker 5: Know who knows. But I definitely remember thinking and like

443
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 5: in some of the scenes with the two of you

444
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 5: girls with the James sisters, like going, oh, I see

445
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 5: what they're trying to do here. They really want you

446
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 5: to go No, really, they do look alike. Look. Yeah,

447
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 5: it's those things that a network will often, you know,

448
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 5: put in the notes.

449
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: I wonder, Yeah, we clearly we were still trying to

450
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: figure out my hair. I was not into the look

451
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 2: on this episode. It was all not working for me personally.

452
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, the red, I mean, everybody's got to try

453
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 2: red once you found exactly the right shade.

454
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: So that's what I should have done.

455
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 2: Has gone to a color specialist and been like, if

456
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: we're gonna do red, you have to match with your

457
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: skin tone, and yeah, lot that goes into red.

458
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Speaker 5: But by the way, this don't forget we were still

459
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 5: in the you know, mid aughts or on the early side,

460
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 5: like color was not what it is now. Do you

461
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 5: remember when I went read years before this for that

462
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 5: movie and I literally I mean, it looked like somebody

463
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 5: had thrown me in like a cinnamon vat and then

464
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 5: let me loosen the streets. It was horrible. It was horrible.

465
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 5: This version, which of course is in a pony taiale

466
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 5: today so I can't really illustrate for the eventual YouTube,

467
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 5: is much better. But I just I just think this

468
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 5: whole era of hair color and the fact that they

469
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 5: color timed our show so orange as it is orange.

470
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was rough.

471
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: Could you please tell us the name of that movie

472
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 4: so we could all google.

473
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 5: It absolutely right now? Oh dear, I sha't.

474
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: There's IMDb, ma'am.

475
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 5: We will think what I will do for you, Rob,

476
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 5: I will send you some photos for you to giggle at.

477
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 5: I shan't be encouraging the internet to do it for me.

478
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 5: The internet is already a trashy enough place.

479
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 7: Just take it from Millicent herd Sandwich. Wait, Rob, what

480
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 7: are your thoughts on this? Nasan and Haley like the relate,

481
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 7: well even just the relationship, like longevity and looking back

482
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 7: at people's past crimes, and like, I'm just curious, like

483
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 7: what your thoughts are on that?

484
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 4: So my first thought when you said that was it

485
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: reminds me of when someone meets someone who's in a

486
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 4: relationship and they hook up and they start having a relationship,

487
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: and then down the line they get cheated on and

488
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 4: it's that thing of but you do remember your origin

489
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 4: story was them cheating on someone else to meet you, Right, Yeah,

490
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: like a snake's always going to be a snake. That's

491
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 4: that's an oversimplification though, because the problem is, and like

492
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 4: Sofa was saying, there is such a difference in the

493
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 4: person you are at eighteen yep. And I'll speak for

494
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 4: at least men and at thirty five, because it takes

495
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 4: us a bit longer to pull our heads out of

496
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: our asses. So at a certain point you have to

497
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 4: decide are you going to hold on to who they

498
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 4: were at eighteen or yeah? Am I going to be

499
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 4: comfortable with who I know they have grown into?

500
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

501
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: So what's nice about it with you guys is what

502
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 4: I get as a viewer is I feel like you

503
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 4: know who he is up until the very very end

504
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: of the episode, that you're you're comfortable, like you're confident, like, yeah,

505
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 4: those are past transgressions, I know the man he is

506
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 4: now we're good.

507
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, and it is really interesting, you know, even

508
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 5: in the relationship between Nathan and David, Nathan talks about

509
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 5: Haley and Chris Keller. He's like, look, everybody has these

510
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 5: growing pains. Things happen. It's a reminder that Nathan is

511
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 5: not the only person who's ever had a you know,

512
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 5: indiscretion or a or a confusing time. And so there's

513
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 5: something interesting about that. It's like we're being reminded that

514
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 5: you two have grown up together. But yeah, it's tricky.

515
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 4: And this, what they did with the phone number was

516
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: particularly effective. Yeah, because you are it had to be

517
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 4: something really clever and insidious for you to actually even

518
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 4: give it a second thought. And so the fact that

519
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 4: she is bold enough to go, it's going to take

520
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: you ten seconds just look at this number, see if

521
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 4: it's in there, because the truth is you have to

522
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: check it right because otherwise, if it's not you, you

523
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 4: clearly in that moment, now you know one hundred percent

524
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 4: she's full of Yeah. So it's almost too brave to

525
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: be a bluff. So you kind of have to look

526
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 4: right because if you don't, like, I guess, it could

527
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: be the end of it if it's not in there.

528
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 4: But the fact that then you see it, it's.

529
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 2: Like oh, now.

530
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 4: I'm not getting the full story.

531
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now it's really requiring.

532
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to do some mental gymnastics to believe

533
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: that this isn't something.

534
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, And all I can think of, as if you

535
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 5: were watching you find that phone number in his phone

536
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 5: records is like, well but why? And was that was

537
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 5: that like a number for an assistant at the sports

538
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 5: agency that then Renee managed to like get transferred to her?

539
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 5: Like what I mean it my brain? Yeah, but it's

540
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 5: so great because it's a even if it's not what

541
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 5: she says it is, it's a it's a concrete piece

542
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: of evidence of something something, And that's really really a.

543
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: Piece of a story that Nathan hasn't told you about.

544
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 4: And it's so hard when when you're in a tricky

545
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: situation like that, where there's doubt and there's big feelings,

546
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 4: it's so hard to feel like information's being withheld from

547
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 4: you because information isn't withheld unless there's an angle to it.

548
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

549
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like if he is withholding it, why

550
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 4: because if you're innocent, you just don't care, you know,

551
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: like you're a prop of book. And so yeah, that

552
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 4: was very effective. But I want to go back to

553
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: start of the episode, because when I when Quinn walks

554
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 4: out in her evening dress into Clay's apartment, I had

555
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 4: such a big reaction, right, you know when parents say,

556
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. My note in all caps is,

557
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 4: did Clay and Quinn have sex the first night they

558
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 4: hung out? I think because I already I still feel

559
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: so badly for David on how she gets the guy

560
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 4: who just punched her husband current husband. She got in

561
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 4: his car in front of her husband and left. So

562
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: when she walked out, two thoughts. I thought, First of all,

563
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: she is way too perfect and made up to have

564
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: had sex and slept on that hair because she looks flawless,

565
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: So first of all, bullshit. But then second of all,

566
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: because I think I want to like Clay and Quinn. Again,

567
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: I'm looking at this as a new viewer, right, I

568
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 4: just thought that's a shy look. Guys like be better than that.

569
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 4: And so the whole episode I found myself going, how

570
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 4: have I not remembered that this was their origin story?

571
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: This is a freaking bummer. And that's not until later

572
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 4: in the episode we find out all they did actually

573
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: was talk. But I did not like it as a viewer,

574
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: I was pissed off.

575
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like, especially if there's a chemistry building

576
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: up to just give it away so fast, that was

577
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been a good choice.

578
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 5: It's so well done though, like that feeling of no,

579
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 5: they couldn't possibly have and you see how angry Nathan

580
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: is and even oh my god, like the way I

581
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 5: felt like my skin was going to peel off when

582
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 5: when Quinn goes we turned our phones off, I was like,

583
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 5: what are you doing? Like they really drew it out

584
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 5: so well, and it's and then it's so sweet when

585
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 5: you get to the end of the episode and she

586
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 5: thanks him for letting her crash and you realize these

587
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 5: are two people going through a hard time, Yeah, that

588
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 5: might just need to talk to each other. It was

589
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 5: so refreshing, and it is really nice to know that

590
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 5: even though they're in these clearly complicated times of transition,

591
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 5: that they're not behaving wildly. I just again, I think

592
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 5: it's the difference between high school and adulthood. Like I

593
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 5: really felt for Quinn in the scene with You too, Joy,

594
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 5: Like when you and shan Tell are sitting there talking

595
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 5: about relationships. I caveat this what made me laugh was

596
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 5: when you said if you and David can't make it,

597
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: how well Nathan and I ever because I was like.

598
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: We don't know these people.

599
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 5: We've heard about their relationship, they've been broken up since

600
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 5: the day they started, and we're comparing them to Neale,

601
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: who we've been in love with for seven years. Like writers,

602
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 5: that was the one fail for me. I was like, literally,

603
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 5: the audience doesn't know anything about these two. But okay,

604
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 5: But I loved where the conversation went because you realize

605
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 5: that you know you're you're sitting there trying to figure

606
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 5: out what to do about your marriage and wondering if

607
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 5: it's as strong as it is, and your sister is

608
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 5: sitting there saying I have stayed in a thing that

609
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 5: is just dead for so long. There's like nothing I

610
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: can do to salvage it. I've literally tried everything. I

611
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 5: don't even have feelings anymore. And and those those two

612
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 5: realities feel like the things that we all go through

613
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 5: with our friends now, like they really feel like adult problems.

614
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: And there was something very cool about the juxtaposition between

615
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 5: our high school selves and our adult selves. I feel

616
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 5: like the problems feel real and grown up, and that

617
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 5: felt refreshing. The advice felt real, it felt you know, relevant, what.

618
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about when you're saying that, rob about how

619
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: wild that was, and also like that felt irresponsible, and

620
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: they're turning their phones off.

621
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: And there's something.

622
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: About that that I actually really related to with Quinn,

623
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: that the need for autonomy is when you've been in

624
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: an environment for so long that I don't know again,

625
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: like you say, we don't know their marriage, we don't

626
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: know this relationship.

627
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: Apparently it was great at one point, but.

628
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: When you've had to report back to somebody for so

629
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: long to to and now you're staying she's staying with

630
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 2: her sister, and now her sister's upper butt, and like

631
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: everybody's just like, where are you?

632
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: What are you doing to be able to be.

633
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to take them as a grown up.

634
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: I am not my high school self anymore. I am

635
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: not the girl who married this boy a long time ago.

636
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: I need a moment, And I'm going to make a

637
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: choice as an adult woman to go sit and spend

638
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: the night in this man's house. And we're not going

639
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: to sleep together, and even if we did is nobody's business.

640
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: But I need a moment. I need a moment for

641
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: myself and all y'all can just back off.

642
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 5: I was into that, Yeah.

643
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was I mean, that's self care,

644
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: you know, because these days everyone has access to you

645
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: all day. Yep. Yeah, And when you turn off your phone,

646
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 4: you are actually taking a pause from that, so I

647
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 4: thought that was great. The one thing it's funny this

648
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: is this is something I did remember was Quinn's line

649
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: where Clay's phone is blowing up again in this moment,

650
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: I'm still also like kissed off in my head like

651
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: they had sex. Wasn't our origin story friendship? Like what

652
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: why do I not remember any of this? And then

653
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: when she goes, wow, your phone's doing a lot, I

654
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: only have one thing that vibrates that much.

655
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: Oh that was one of those lines. So if you're

656
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: talking about like.

657
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 4: Why doing why? Like what are we? What a human being? Like?

658
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: What is what is happening? What is the dynamic? What

659
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: is relationship that in this moment, that's the line. What?

660
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: No, it's so inappropriate where it.

661
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 4: Was the shan tell because she she she delivered it

662
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: as well as it could be delivered, so she did

663
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: great with it.

664
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 5: But like what it's so gross.

665
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: You see the signature of our boss on that one.

666
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's the whole thing, right, is like, oh,

667
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 5: all the girls are skanks and sex fiends and they

668
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 5: just stripped their clothes off in front of men, and

669
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 5: how are the men that were supposed to resist? And

670
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 5: it's like no, No, Mostly people fall in love because

671
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 5: they hang out and they become friends and then they

672
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 5: decide they want to kiss each other's faces. I don't,

673
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 5: I don't. I've never met a human who like, just

674
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 5: you know, does what Alex Duprey did in this episode.

675
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: No, it's gig all over again. It's just absurd.

676
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 5: Well, and it's recycling of things, even the fact that

677
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 5: in season one, Peyton makes the joke that Brooks leopard

678
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 5: bra is like a welcome mat, and then the top

679
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 5: of this episode, Brooks says to Julian, Alex's underwear is

680
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 5: like a welcome mat.

681
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 4: Wow.

682
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: Good callback such a lack of creativity, It's so crazy.

683
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: Jenna does such a good job as Alex, and she

684
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: has shown that she is able to play all of

685
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: the different speeds very well. She can stick the hell

686
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: out of the comedy. But then when she's given a

687
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 4: sincere change, like a change up, she hits it, and

688
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 4: then I just feel like this episode just undermined the

689
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: sh out of all of the building we were doing

690
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: to show that there's more there than meets the eye

691
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: because we've seen hints of it. It's like it is

692
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: her over sexualization is so freaking heavy handed in this

693
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 4: episode that, honestly, it just bummed me out and it

694
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 4: left me just going Now, she just seems manic because

695
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: she is so myopic in that scene with Julian where

696
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: it's just sex, sex sect this thing she's so excited

697
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 4: about she wrote, she loves, she respects Julian. She finally

698
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 4: has his attention. They're talking about it and she can't

699
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: be bothered, and all she wants to do is just

700
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: have sex with him and then take off her clothes.

701
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: And then two scenes later she's like, he's the only

702
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: one who believed in the thing I love. It's like this,

703
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: you just seem manic now because it's it's just peaks

704
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: and valleys with her.

705
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 5: Well, it's a really good indicator that it was written

706
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: by a man who really has never had female friendships.

707
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe a man who is drawn to women

708
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: with trauma. Because there's so many female characters that he

709
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: writes that the over sexualization doesn't read as powerful in

710
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: control and knows what she wants.

711
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: It reads like trauma.

712
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: And the fact that that's what's going on in the

713
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: mind of the person that put all these characters on

714
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: paper is so disturbing.

715
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: And it was also I think a huge.

716
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: Massive credit to the women playing these characters who were

717
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: able to receive this material and transcend it and create

718
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: th real, three dimensional women in spite of some of

719
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: the stupid lines they had to say and you know,

720
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: compromising positions that they had to be put into. Kudos

721
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: to every single woman on this show who was put

722
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: into that position truly, I meaned Jane included.

723
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, and particularly in this episode, it's really incredible to

724
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 5: see what Jana does with the material and that she

725
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 5: has the wherewithal to lean into some of that manic

726
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: energy so that you know that there's something else going

727
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 5: on here and that whatever's happened to this person, she's

728
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 5: essentially learned that this is the only way she's going

729
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 5: to get anywhere, and how sad and that she knows

730
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 5: she pushed it too far when you see her having

731
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 5: a total meltdown about the cheesecake and she gets into

732
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: it with Brooke and then she calls Milicent because she

733
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 5: needs a friend. And the scene with Jana and Lisa

734
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 5: is so frickin charming and they are so cute together

735
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 5: and so funny, and it really, again is just such

736
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 5: a testament that this character can be put in these

737
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 5: positions by a writer with no taste and still managed

738
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 5: to be, as you just said, joy, so three dimensional,

739
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 5: so absolutely lovable. Like I have to go and brate her,

740
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 5: and all I want, all I want to see is

741
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 5: for Alex to win, Like I really want her to

742
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 5: know what she's worth. And technically in this season she's

743
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 5: my mortal enemy and I love her and like that's

744
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 5: because Jenna's Jenn.

745
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: I was surprised Julian walked into the hotel room.

746
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 5: I was too. I was surprised there was especially because

747
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: they have chemistry.

748
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 4: There was a couple of red flags that he just

749
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 4: chose to overlook. Yeah, he by the way, he did

750
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 4: a great job in that scene. I think Austin has

751
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: a sincerity and an earnestness to him that sort of

752
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: plays to a natural innocence. And I don't want not theevity,

753
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: but like childlike innocence, you know, and it comes out

754
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 4: in this scene where he's sort of just like hoping

755
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 4: for the best and like, maybe she made a mistake.

756
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 4: She didn't realize she should be wearing pants, you know,

757
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 4: anything that a normal adult would be, Like, you're an adult,

758
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: you know you should be wearing pants. But yeah, he

759
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: looked the other way to couple red flags. But he

760
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: had been watching him play the discomfort of that scene.

761
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: He did such a great job.

762
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun to watch.

763
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 5: It's fun too to watch someone like just In in

764
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 5: terms of physicality, someone who is as big and handsome

765
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 5: as Austin be so physically funny and awkward, you know,

766
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 5: like he's an athlete. He's like a really really really

767
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 5: good surfer. You know, that's a person who's in control

768
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 5: of his body. And when he gets all gangly, kind

769
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 5: of like a Great Dane puppy, like when their legs

770
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 5: are too long for their body, it just like it

771
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 5: almost makes me do a spit take laughing. And I

772
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 5: love that he gets to do that because I do

773
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 5: think so often on the show, like all you guys

774
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 5: were put in the like hot, handsome hero position, and

775
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 5: I love when you get to be goofy. I love

776
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 5: when the boys, you know, get to be a little uncomfortable,

777
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 5: and seeing him play it like that reminded me a

778
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 5: little bit of what we got to see in his

779
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 5: scenes with Gregory Harrison with his dad, where you see

780
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: that boy who just wants approval, Like you see this

781
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 5: boy who just wants to make movies kind of battling

782
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 5: with a man who's like, what the hell is going on?

783
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 5: Why is this woman taking off all her clothes? And

784
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 5: I just I love that he went there. I love

785
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 5: that he didn't try to play it cool. I like

786
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 5: that he played it in a full, awkward panic. I

787
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 5: thought it was a great choice.

788
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

789
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: I'm glad they allowed him to morph his character too,

790
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: because that's not the Julian that we met. That's not

791
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: the way he started out. Yeah, And in spite of

792
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: the fact that there was, it took a little time

793
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: to transition into this maybe real version of Julian what

794
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: was underneath all of it, because you know, he's had

795
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: women throw themselves at him.

796
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: He's been in that position before, but never while in love,

797
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: I guess.

798
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know, to see the real young

799
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: young I say, but sort of the bumbly, awkward version

800
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: of him, is really I'm really glad he landed there

801
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: and that they let him land there because the other

802
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: Julian was not interesting.

803
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: I don't think the earlier one was just I don't know.

804
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've seen a million of those exactly.

805
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Well, it's also interesting that Julian came in

806
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 4: as sort of who he was Julian one point zero uh,

807
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 4: and and sort of watching him become the like softer

808
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: goofyar Julian. I'm now realizing we do that with Clay,

809
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 4: where Clay comes in and he's kind of mysterious. Maybe

810
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: is he a bad boy? He's broken, he's wounded, and

811
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 4: by like later in this show, I'm my weird flag

812
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: is flying all the way up there. Mouth has a

813
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 4: very un sexy, unleading man arc coming up when they

814
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 4: just made him gain weight for an entire season, that

815
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: was his whole story. It's it's interesting how it was

816
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: almost like they kind of went, you know what, let's

817
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 4: just neuter all of our male characters for like a while.

818
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 4: Let's let's have them all lose their edge at the

819
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: same time, because truly, Julian can't high five, Clay wears

820
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 4: weird shirts and has a best friendship with his with

821
00:42:59,480 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 4: his chair.

822
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nathan, Nathan's still a jerk deep down. He's still

823
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: a manipulator deep down, my parents, let's just discredit all

824
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: the men.

825
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Did you notice that when you when we

826
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: were filming it or are you only seeing it in retrospect.

827
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 4: Only in hindsight? Because also Clay's Clay didn't morph. I

828
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: truly wonder if that was what they had in mind

829
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 4: for the character or they were just playing to the

830
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 4: fact that in real life. That's kind of like my

831
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: strikes on him just silly and irreverent because they ended

832
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: up using a lot of other stuff from my life.

833
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: But with Julian, Yeah, like the fact he couldn't high

834
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: five What are we doing?

835
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: Why is that a joke?

836
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 4: That is the creative equivalent of just going like, ah,

837
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 4: they're all the women are prostitutes. It's like, oh, did

838
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 4: you spend five fule seconds brainstorming that idea for all

839
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: the women in jailer prostitutes? It's sort of like, how

840
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 4: do I show how to make him goofy? He doesn't

841
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 4: know how to high five guys he's been on earth

842
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 4: for thirty five years.

843
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all know.

844
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 5: It's truly so weird. But it's interesting because I don't

845
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 5: know if we ever talked about this, Rob. I know

846
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: the girls and I did, but we got a lot

847
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 5: of this sort of inside baseball on some of these

848
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 5: decisions at the end of season eight because we didn't

849
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 5: think we were coming back for season nine. So some

850
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 5: of our allies and the writers are really like, let

851
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 5: us in on some stuff. And I know for a

852
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 5: fact that our boss wanted to wonderful word choice you

853
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 5: use their newd or Julian because Brooke and Julian were

854
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 5: going to get married, and by now by that season,

855
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 5: our boss had completely lost his mind and he didn't

856
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 5: want a bunch of Julian's friends, like hot guys from

857
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 5: LA and New York from the film scene coming in

858
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 5: for the pre wedding and wedding episodes because he was

859
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 5: so territorial about women on set. So that's why Jamie

860
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 5: was Julian's best man, because our boss didn't want to

861
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 5: bring in a bunch of hot, young single guys to.

862
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: Our first four days to compete.

863
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 5: Against him, even though he, you know, has been married

864
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 5: since he was twenty.

865
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: This is just like how William Shakespeare was so jealous

866
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: of Macbeth, and that's why he might do all those

867
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: embarrassing like what are we doing here? What he created

868
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: this world? How are you threatened to buy it? It's fiction.

869
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're threatened by the characters that you're writing.

870
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 5: Huh. Oh my god. Yeah, because there was a whole

871
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 5: Julian had an arc written and they changed it.

872
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 4: So I love the idea, though, it's so it's so perfect.

873
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: It's so dumb that just because Julian is handsome, that

874
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: his friends have to be handsome, only pretty, only tens

875
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 4: have friends, are friends with tens. Roberts a world in

876
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 4: the c W world still though, like he can't have

877
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 4: like a you know, like it's insane he can't have

878
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 4: his best childhood friends. I just love the fact that

879
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: like it's either hot dudes or bust It's like, no, man, really,

880
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 4: not every producer is hot. You know, they don't have

881
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 4: to all be leading men. It's just it's just so silky.

882
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 5: It's all really silly. But it is interesting that that

883
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 5: you see all of these shifts beginning, and that we

884
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 5: see Mouth sort of go back into the space where

885
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 5: he's even him. He's jealous of Milicent, he's jealous of

886
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 5: her changing and of her like but I don't know,

887
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 5: becoming cool, being a model like the word seems so

888
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 5: triggering for him. And I think we're so lucky that

889
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 5: we have Lee playing this role because you can see

890
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 5: his nervousness and that he's maybe not even so proud

891
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 5: of what he's saying. But I wonder why that was.

892
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 5: I wonder why that was the choice to sort of

893
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 5: shame Millisy. It's character for, you know, wanting to have

894
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 5: an adventure.

895
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really strange.

896
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: By the way, the introduction of zero is not a

897
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: size and this episode is exciting.

898
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: I was glad to see.

899
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 2: I had forgotten where that showed up in the series,

900
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: so that was really speaking of humans coming in all

901
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: shapes and sizes. That was really fun to see. And

902
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: this made me think about something too, because it was

903
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: weird that she was shamed for wanting to have a

904
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: new adventure, but also the way she's going about it,

905
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: there's like an insecurity that's being fed that I imagine we

906
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: all can relate to, like when you're The note I

907
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: had was what it's like to be invited into something

908
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: you never thought was possible that you might be invited

909
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: into and then suddenly you're getting validation. Like it's hard

910
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: to not get caught up in that and wrap your

911
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: identity up in that, especially when it's it's a particular

912
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: nerve of any insecurity or of like blind spot.

913
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: That you might have.

914
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: Uh, that's tough, that's tough to navigate. Yeah, I didn't

915
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: have any conclusions. I just it was an observation that

916
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: I thought, that's pretty human that she would want to

917
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: get she would really be attracted to that, and why

918
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: shouldn't she, Like she's beautiful and how put an amazing opportunity,

919
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: But why is she feeling so guilty about it?

920
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel a lot like Milly in that.

921
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 4: When I was invited to join.

922
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: The drama podcast, I set you up, I was.

923
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 4: Like, do you want to be in the big leagues?

924
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 4: And I thought, here I was. I was going to be,

925
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: you know, just amateur leagues my whole life. And I

926
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 4: was worried if it was going to change me. And

927
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 4: it has. I've become a terrible person to.

928
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: Be shifted your identity.

929
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: It has. It's just merely allowed what has been deep

930
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 4: inside me to just fully come out, now, you know. Yeah,

931
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 4: I didn't understand I understand her hesitancy completely, because, like

932
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 4: you said, it's a new thing. Do I deserve this?

933
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: Am I gonna get ripped on? Like you don't know

934
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 4: what to expect? My note with mouth was mouth, he's

935
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 4: a therapist. Like you had a reaction, Go seriously, just

936
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 4: go talk to someone for forty five minutes because everything

937
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: you're doing is just projecting your own bullshit onto her.

938
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 4: Like that's your girlfriend, you know who she is. You

939
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: obviously just have hang ups about what that job is.

940
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 4: Go work it out with someone and then be supportive.

941
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 4: You know.

942
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, why wasn't the reaction like whoa, what a bizarre

943
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 2: and amazing turn of events.

944
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: I hope you have fun?

945
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: Yeah? Good? Are you happy about this? Okay? Awesome? Yeah, congratulations?

946
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: Yes, one oh one? How do you feel? Don't rain

947
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: on her parade?

948
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 4: I want to say that chasing me are adorable.

949
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

950
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 4: But the show couldn't help but it because they had

951
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 4: to like try to have sex in a plane and

952
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 4: of course make a joke about how Steven has sex

953
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 4: for less than a minute. But another great line was

954
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: when they're at the runway and he says, would you

955
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 4: like to come up up for a flight? And she says, eh, now,

956
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: musicians and small planes don't mix. Funny line. But even

957
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: better is his response, which is, I guess I need

958
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 4: to learn how to fly a bigger plane. And I thought, oh,

959
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 4: sweet button. Yeah, and they both look they're like so young,

960
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 4: sweet Stevie.

961
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 5: They're just so cute together. We rob Do you know

962
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 5: the backstory to that was Stephen actually taking flying lessons?

963
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 5: I can't remember why. Why is he becoming a pilot?

964
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

965
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: Super random.

966
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 4: No, that's not something Steven does in real life.

967
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 5: Okay, we're gonna have to phone a friend and ask him.

968
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: I can phone a friend.

969
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: It's a sweet story for them, and I really love

970
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 5: that it. While we're seeing so much sort of toxic

971
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 5: content between men and women in this episode, I really

972
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 5: love that this man is admitting to his girlfriend, Oh yeah,

973
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 5: I'm following my dream because I saw you do it.

974
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 5: It's so simple and it's so sweet. Yeah, And I

975
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 5: don't know, I just I really love that.

976
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: It was about time. Bartending's great if you really are

977
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: passionate about it.

978
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure you could build a career off of it.

979
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: But Chase didn't seem like a passionate bartender. He seemed

980
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: like an intermittent bartender. Yeah, so I'm glad that he's

981
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: stepping into something new.

982
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, give Steven something to do. Also, he's a fun

983
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 4: actor to watch. The bar manager thing we've been doing

984
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: for a whole season now, and his drinks suck. Okay,

985
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 4: those are two bits, and we've been doing him for

986
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 4: a year, so let's give him something else. One thing

987
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 4: this episode did get right was Quinn's aunt, Quinn's cereal. Guys,

988
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: can we talk about what a gorgeous, delicious bowl of cereal?

989
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: She made stuff for Jake Cookie's and milk.

990
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 4: Straight up, she just put whole ass oreos in a

991
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 4: bowl and poured milk over it and gave him a spoon.

992
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 4: My mind was blown. I was like, how is this

993
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 4: not on TikTok? I would devour serial.

994
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: I guess what I think it is now because the

995
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: kids I see this happen when I go to Maria's

996
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: friend's house and pick her up after ast over whatever,

997
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: they're sitting around eating in oreos in milk.

998
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: It's horrendous.

999
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 5: It's basically like a melted blizzard.

1000
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that makes me feel a little bit better.

1001
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 5: Which is perhaps my favorite ice cream. But yeah, it's

1002
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 5: a lot.

1003
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 4: It's a deconstructed blizzard. Yeah, a pretentiou chef would call.

1004
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 5: It exactly at a molecular gastronomy restaurant. I think there's yes.

1005
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 5: I think there's definitely an honorable mention for the cookie cereal,

1006
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 5: and I would honestly like to give one because I

1007
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 5: know we're coming to the end of time to Dan

1008
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 5: and Rachel, Rachel coming with that tabloid. They were in

1009
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 5: so little of the episode because this was such a

1010
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 5: big episode for the whole ensemble, but those scenes with

1011
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 5: two of them, with the way they're plotting, and then

1012
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 5: when Paul stays on the phone after James hangs up

1013
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 5: on him and pretends he's talking to his son. Oh,

1014
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 5: it was all just so so good and it makes

1015
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 5: you real eyes because it sort of triggered for me, Oh,

1016
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 5: I remember where this goes. I don't want to spoil

1017
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 5: anything for the audience, but when he gets rejected by

1018
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 5: his son and then he goes to Renee to plot,

1019
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 5: you just go, oh, this is going to be terrible,

1020
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 5: and my god, it's a good device.

1021
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: I loved it. It's a good advice.

1022
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: That also is my honorable mention, but more specifically Dan saying,

1023
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing the licorice whips.

1024
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: Okay, this is my question I had for you all.

1025
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: Is this something because the licorice whips the licorice ropes

1026
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 4: were very jarring for me. Is this a thing? Is

1027
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 4: to do Dan in licorice ropes have a history in

1028
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:41,959
Speaker 4: the show.

1029
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: So random, so completely random.

1030
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: I don't know what it came from, but I do

1031
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: know that it was his idea at the end of

1032
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: the episode to be chewing on a licorice whip, because

1033
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: I think they just wrote the line in and of

1034
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: course Paul was like, well, how do we wrap the

1035
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 2: loop up on the story?

1036
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: You know, excellent writer and director that He was like, yeah,

1037
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: we can't. You can't have a gun on.

1038
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 2: Stage and I'll have to go off, you know at

1039
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: the end of it too, like where's my liquorage?

1040
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: So good?

1041
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: I thought that was really hilarious.

1042
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 4: That's my fun mentioned when he says to the PA

1043
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 4: at the top of the episode, he goes, where the

1044
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 4: where the liquorice? Is it liquorice whip or liquorish licorice rope?

1045
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 4: Is it? Wi? Oh?

1046
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was liquorice whips.

1047
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 4: That's what let's call it that he says where the

1048
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 4: liquorice whips, and the PA goes, Oh, I'm sorry, I

1049
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 4: must have forgotten them. He makes the most uncomfortable choice

1050
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 4: where he leans. He's clearly pissed, but then he's not pissed.

1051
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 4: He decides to lean in and just whispers, I forgive you.

1052
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, guy, be angry at me, because whatever this

1053
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 4: is is uncomfortable. Your forgiveness makes me want to take

1054
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 4: a shower. Yeah, good.

1055
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 5: That that's That's a line I want on a T shirt.

1056
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: I forget of you or licorice whips.

1057
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 5: That is funny, Rob, Your forgiveness makes me want to

1058
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 5: take a shower.

1059
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 6: That is a class line.

1060
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 5: We have a listener question from Kat. She asks, what

1061
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 5: is one lesson you learned from portraying your character that

1062
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 5: has stuck with you in real life? Perhaps it's about snacks.

1063
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1064
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: Man's such a good question.

1065
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: It just requires so much proximity to the moment, and

1066
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm so far away from it years later.

1067
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I might if you think about this

1068
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: for a second, you want anything at the ready?

1069
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1070
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 5: What stands out to me? Honestly, and it's not necessarily

1071
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 5: about the whole course of our nine years, but in

1072
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 5: this episode, in particular, when Millie runs in to work

1073
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 5: apologizing for being late and says, please don't fire me,

1074
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 5: and then you know, I throw my arms around her

1075
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 5: and basically pick her up, and then she says, please

1076
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 5: don't have sex with me. Like, I loved the comedy

1077
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 5: for Lisa. But one of the things I really like

1078
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 5: that we get to see in Brook as an adult

1079
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 5: that I'm really passionate about my life is that it's

1080
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 5: it's the running towards celebrating your friends, running towards saying

1081
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: you might not see yourself this way, but I do that.

1082
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 5: That is something that is like the joy of my

1083
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 5: life is to celebrate my friendships and to brag about

1084
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 5: my friends, and to big up my friends, and to like,

1085
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 5: you know, be in their comments, being like you look beautiful,

1086
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 5: you're so hot, you're so smart, whatever. It is, Like,

1087
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 5: I love to cheerlead the people in my life that

1088
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 5: are doing amazing things. And I really love that for

1089
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 5: all of the flaws of our show, our characters got

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Speaker 5: to do a lot of that for each other too,

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Speaker 5: Like we were each other biggest fans. And I'm proud

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00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 5: of modeling that I'm not so proud of like modeling

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00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 5: everybody getting naked everywhere, But I'm really proud of that.

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Speaker 2: That's true. That is a quality that you possess. I

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00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: was always kind of uncomfortable with that. I think I

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00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: grew up feeling a lot like my voice didn't matter,

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00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: like what I had, any encouragement I had to offer,

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00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: whatever I had to say, it didn't really matter.

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00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 4: So I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't say it very often.

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00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: And it's been as a mom, I've learned a lot

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00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: about how important it is to I still feel weird

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00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: about doing it. Like I'll go to a baseball game

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00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: and I'm cheering, and I'm like, it is so uncomfortable

1105
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: in my body for to shout out things that I

1106
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: don't even really understand what I'm saying. But I'm like,

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00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,479
Speaker 2: I know I'm saying something and I'm cheering the team,

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00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: but like I feel awkward, like a faker, But I

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00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: want to be an encourager.

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00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: I just wasn't really taught how.

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00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: But I have noticed that about you, and I've learned

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00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: that from you too, and from yeah, from Brook, That's

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00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: so true, Like we really all did that's a great answer.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to babble, it just made me think I still

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00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: don't have an answer, corop.

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Speaker 4: It is it's such a it's a great quality of

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00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 4: your sof and I think it's just a it's a

1118
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 4: great it's an attractive quality in general. I mean I

1119
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 4: have learned as an adult like life is a team sport. Yeah,

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00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 4: so when someone in my community has a win, that's

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00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 4: a team win. Yeah, and we celebrate that together. You know.

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00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 4: It's like the old adage, a joy shared is doubled,

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00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 4: a burden shared is have And that's what I've found,

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00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 4: you know, because for so long I was trying to

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00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 4: do it as a solo sport, and it was like

1126
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 4: it's just so much harder that way, where it's like

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00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 4: if we celebrate each other, if we share our troubles,

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00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 4: everything is just so much easier and also more enjoyable.

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00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's great.

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00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 4: I would say for Clay it would just be embracing

1132
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 4: who you are, because I think, especially as we get

1133
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: on in the series, we really see Clay become very

1134
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 4: comfortable and owning who he is and really letting his

1135
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 4: sort of freak flag fly high. And that's something that

1136
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 4: as I've gotten older in life. It's like I used

1137
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 4: to be so concerned with curating everyone's experience of me

1138
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 4: and what everyone thought of me. And there's a certain

1139
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 4: comfort in like I've found my person, I've got my family, Like, respectfully,

1140
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck. I'm just gonna do me

1141
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 4: and my people are gonna get it and be into it,

1142
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 4: and that's gonna be okay. I don't have to bat

1143
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 4: a thousand and making new friends every day.

1144
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so refreshing.

1145
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: I feel like Haley's sense of her sense of loyalty

1146
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: and determination to see the best in people and keep

1147
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: believing in that.

1148
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: Was that had to have been a really healthy Actually

1149
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was healthy at the time, but.

1150
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: Probably getting it in your muscle memory, you know, Like

1151
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: that's what the we've talked about this the body keeps

1152
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: the score, and how your body doesn't know the difference

1153
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: when you're acting, and.

1154
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: How that's true the good things too.

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: I think that's true for when you show up and

1156
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: keep portraying someone who is persistent in their loyalty and

1157
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: in their belief in the best in people. I think

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: that definitely helped stick with me in times when I

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01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: wasn't sure if I could trust, I wasn't sure how

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01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: to trust, and not letting go of that optimism, because

1161
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: when you've really been run over and life has really

1162
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: kicked your ass, the easiest thing to do in the

1163
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: moment is to just close off and.

1164
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: Be like you know what, never mind, like none of

1165
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: you get in. I'm not letting anybody in. I'm done.

1166
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: I'll just be by myself and to start to like

1167
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: let the cracks in and let the light in and

1168
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: know that you just can't live your life that way.

1169
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: You can't live your life walking around guarding yourself from

1170
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: everyone though trusted can be a really hard thing. I

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01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: think Haley was really good at that, and I think

1172
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: that got into my muscle memory probably really helped me

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01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: when I needed it to be able to open up more.

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love That's what I have to say. That's

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01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: a good question, it was, thanks Kat.

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01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 5: Should we spin a wheel?

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01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: Kids?

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01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 4: Wheel?

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01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to answer this.

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 4: Most likely to not shower for a week.

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01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 5: It's this is an absolute no.

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01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: No, that's rough.

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01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 4: Can I submit an answer though for consideration?

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01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: Sure?

1185
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 4: Dan Scott when he hit rock bottom? Yeah, okay, he's

1186
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 4: living in a hotel room just drinking himself to death.

1187
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 4: I would buy that.

1188
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Tuche, I have been there. I have been

1189
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: in a depressive state. I don't know if I lasted

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01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: a week, but it might have come close. You just

1191
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: can't function. I could see that. I'll take the I'll

1192
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: take the hit on that one, not just out of

1193
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: like a forgetting or neglect.

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01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: Never, I wouldn't answer that.

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01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 6: I don't.

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01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: I don't think I actually know anyone that would fit

1197
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: the bill anyway.

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01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, Joy, I've I've I have battled depression.

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Speaker 4: I've been in tough places. I listened, Hijieman, I've been

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01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 4: the top of my to do list, but that that got.

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Speaker 5: Done exactly know.

1202
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Speaker 4: I never I've never made it a full week.

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01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: Y Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I've

1204
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: made a full week.

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Speaker 2: Well the ticket, Especially when you're depressed, taking a shower

1206
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: actually can make you feel a lot better.

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01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 4: Yes, you don't ever step out of a hot shower

1208
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 4: going I wish i'd done that, you know. It's not

1209
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 4: like having a cigarette or something. It's like I used

1210
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 4: to have a shower that was a waste of time.

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 5: Never, not once.

1212
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 4: Not once, it's so good.

1213
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: Well, what episode do we have next?

1214
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 4: Guys?

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Speaker 5: Let's see all right, friends, Next week we are up

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01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 5: with season seven, episode six, Deep Ocean Vast see m

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01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 5: alrighty sounds foreboding.

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