1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me, 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Tommy Didario, it is so hard to not notice how 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: the Netflix smash shit series Wednesday has taken over the world. 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: The full season two it's out right now. And I 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: chatted with my buddy Hunter Duhan last week, who plays 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Tyler aka the Hyde, and I don't know, I just 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: wasn't quite ready to let go of the Wednesday world 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: just yet. So my guest today is the brilliant Joy Sunday, 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: who plays Bianca, the commanding and cool siren in this 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: timber in masterpiece. So Bianca has the ability to control 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: people's minds just by using her voice, and I'm not 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: gonna lie. I felt like I was under a spell 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: while chatting with Joy because she has such a magnetic 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: and captivating energy. Oh and did you know that Wednesday 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: became the most watched English language series in Netflix history. Yeah, 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: it amassed over one point seven billion hours viewed, catapulting 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Joy to international stardom. Today we are diving into all 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: things Wednesday, but then we're also peeling back the layers 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: of Joy to learn more about the person behind those 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: mysterious eyes that are lighting up our screens. Right now. 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: So let's see if today we can get Joy to 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: say something that she has never said before. Joy Sunday, 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: how are you? 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you? 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I am so good? It is so good to be 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: hanging out with you. You were like radiating such beauty 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: and goodness right now. 28 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I appreciate that, because you know, it's a cloudy 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: day outside. It's been a while since it's been cloudy, 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: so thank you. 31 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: Well, it's a little jarring to not see you with 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: your blue green contacts. Oh my gosh, wait, fake, you 33 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: have the gorgeous these chocolate eyes. I'm like, yes, I 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: get to see them. I get to see them just 35 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: wearing those contacts. Just get tiring of her. 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't think about it much. I think thankfully 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: God blessed me with the big eyes, so there's like 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: a lot of space for them to move around. However, 39 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: this season then they have so first season, I couldn't 40 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: see anything because they didn't have prescription, and I'm like, slightly, 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 2: it's not so bad. But second season they have prescription, 42 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: but they painted them so I don't have Perferle vision. 43 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: Where they painted the context. 44 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so like last season, it was just like printed 45 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: you know whatever from CBS not see this, but. 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: Like, right are you're really making this sound appealing. 47 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: But second season it was the custom painted it for 48 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: my IRiSS and whatever so that it would look a 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: bit more just like baked in. But they because of that, 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: I don't have perfule vision in them, so I could 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: pretty much only see right in front of me and 52 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: not anything to the side, Like I can't see this chair, 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: I can't see somebody standing right next to me. So 54 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: it's fun, but it's not uncomfortable. 55 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Wow, I've kind. 56 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: Of a good excuse to like not be able to 57 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: talk to you right Like, I'm in the zone. I'm focused. 58 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: You're focused, busy and focused. I love that. I think 59 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: that you were someone you strike me as someone very 60 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: early on in this conversation that loves conversation. 61 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: You know. It varies, honestly, because I love actual engage 62 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: conversation where we're connecting and we're listening and asking, you know, 63 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: relevant questions. But I can't do small talking very bad 64 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: at it. 65 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: Really like the introvert side comes out. 66 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: It's just because i'd rather somebody dig deep, you know, 67 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: which obviously not every interaction calls for that. But I 68 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: I'm okay with quiet. I don't feel the need to 69 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: fill the space. So yeah, it varies, it varies. I 70 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: feel like you're analyzing me. What are you thinking? 71 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: What am I thinking? I'm thinking that, I'm thinking that, 72 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that I read you're in like eighteen group chats, 73 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: And how the hell does someone get an eighteen group chats? 74 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: Who doesn't love small talk? 75 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: Wealth They don't respond, You don't respond. I'm always like 76 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: two days late to the conversation or I read it 77 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: and I show up, you know, like I if it's 78 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: you know, it's typically coordinating things or you know, sharing 79 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: or asking for permission to do something or whatever. So 80 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 2: if it's you know, an immediate to ask, I'll be there. 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: But if it's just conversation, I'll read it and like 82 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: engage if I need to. 83 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: You're the one that back in the day when you 84 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: could leave a group chat, it would be like CHOI 85 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: has left the chat. No. 86 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: I like to be I like to be a spectator. Okay, 87 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: so I respect group chet gets a lot and you know, 88 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: you can look at my phone. There's a lot of 89 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: things to answer to. 90 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: So I feel you on that, I feel you and 91 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm an Italian and there's a million relatives and family 92 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: and it's just like much. Yeah, I can't do it. 93 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: I can't I get it completely. Well, Okay, let's dive in. 94 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: What a whirlwind time it is for you, What a 95 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: whirlwind few years it's been for you. I mean, Netflix 96 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: is one of the biggest streamers in the world. In 97 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: your show is one of the most successful shows on 98 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: the streamer, and here you are just crushing it, like 99 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: just crushing it again for season two. There's a season 100 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: three coming out. I mean, how are you handling this all? 101 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: How are you doing like mind, body, and spirit? Because 102 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: it's a lot. 103 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: It is a lot. And it's funny because I'm very 104 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: much a person who I can budget my emotional capacity 105 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: or like physical capacity if I know what I'm approaching. 106 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: So this year, however, has been the craziest year of 107 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: my life by far. It's just been back to back 108 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: and going into the Wednesday press tour, I had just 109 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: come back from Kenya for two weeks and I'd lost 110 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: my phone and so it was like I didn't have 111 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: a phone for eleven days and I was just floating 112 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: in the world getting ready for this huge public moment. 113 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: But it's all about kind of preparing for the moment, 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: and I've always been very good at doing that and 115 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: budgeting and managing my time. But also not for nothing, 116 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: it's definitely up to my team and how wonderful you know, 117 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: everybody is and how much everybody's eager to show up. 118 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 2: So definitely shout out to them, both my glam team 119 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: and also like pr and all that stuff. Like it all. 120 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: I couldn't do it without them for sure. 121 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like one big family. 122 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 123 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Wow, Well, you play such a great character on Wednesday, 124 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the sire and she is commanding and cool 125 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: and we've really got to gone to see different sides 126 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: to her from season one to season two. So what 127 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: has that journey been like for you? And what have 128 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: you most enjoyed exploring from season one to the season. 129 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because I think with the change 130 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: in Bianca's presentation from going from really confident and assured 131 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: to you know, and secure and kind of looking over 132 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: her shoulder, I think people have really connected with peeling 133 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: back that layer, which has been lovely to see now 134 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: that the show is out, Because when I was on 135 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: set shooting season two, I was shaking in my boots. Like, 136 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 2: I was so anxious that people wouldn't, you know, connect 137 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: with her, and that I wouldn't be able to capture 138 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: the same magic as season one. But it's been really 139 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: beautiful to see people's response and how much they've connected 140 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: to her journey. So I'm grateful for that. 141 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: So you thought people woul connect more with kind of 142 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: like the bad girl or the villainesque type role than. 143 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: This version, not even necessarily that, but just because she 144 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: spends you know, the majority of the season and kind 145 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,119 Speaker 2: of in a between a rock and a hard place. 146 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: I was really afraid about her feeling stagnant and feeling stale, 147 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: especially because it was such a drastic change from the 148 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: first time around, right, But it seems like people really 149 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: connected with that speed and that you know, introspection that 150 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: she was forced to go through, and that was cool. 151 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: You know that they don't only love the bragadocious, you know, 152 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: spunky side, they also love the heart and the empathy 153 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: is so it's nice and. 154 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: You kind of went from rivals with Wednesday to somewhat 155 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: friend to Wednesday in season two. Is there a world 156 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: where you feel like they could be best friends? 157 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: I absolutely think that there's a world where they could 158 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: be best friends. I mean, I think honestly, their relationship 159 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: would probably mirror, you know, how like drag queens relate 160 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: to each other, where it's just like constant rimming, it's 161 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: I mean, but also that there's this support right in 162 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: community in it and as far as or as much 163 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: as ondes they would participate in that, right. But I 164 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: definitely see a world in which Bianca and Wednesday are 165 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: close friends and that they keep each other in check 166 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: and support each other, you know, at their heights. I'd 167 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: love to see that. 168 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to see it too. Even the 169 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: moments where Bianca and Wednesday are fencing. Yeah, and it's 170 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: so intense, and you guys have that fierce choreography and 171 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of these really heightened and intense moments. But 172 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: I feel like, to them, that's fun and friendship in 173 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: a show of love. 174 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, it's not a bad thing to compete with, 175 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: yeah people, I mean we love game nights, right, so 176 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: it's like we should embrace being able to you know, 177 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: have that fun while also maintaining a relationship. I think 178 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: there's more than enough room for us to be friends. 179 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: I cannot agree more. I think a lot of people 180 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: that I see on the internet are wondering if you're 181 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: going to get a love storyline next season. Are you 182 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: feeling like Bianca needs that, or you're like, she's good, 183 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: she doesn't need the love. 184 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm never going to be one to say 185 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: that somebody needs to be in a relationship or needs 186 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: to be in love, because at the end of the day, 187 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: it always starts with yourself. 188 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: Amen. 189 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: And so that's probably what I would say for Bianca 190 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: as well, like she doesn't need it. You know, being 191 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: in love is nice, but I also feel like she's healing. 192 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: And yes, it'd be nice to just see Bianca healed 193 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: and supported and loved and in community with everybody else, 194 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: you know, not these extracurriculars that she's going outside the 195 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: school to do. I want to see her with her friends, 196 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: with her classmates, being a teenager, just living. 197 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: Hmmm. And what's so beautiful about the show is, yes, 198 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: it's very much in the supernatural world, but there's so 199 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: many themes and topics that are relatable for humans and 200 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: for all of us that we go through very similar 201 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: things as we watch these characters go through. There there 202 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: are years every time we watch a new season. So 203 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: for you, she's a siren, right, But how do you 204 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: relate to her? How do you bring joy to her? 205 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: You know, when I first was thinking about Bianca, or 206 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: you know, when she first entered my life, I'm not 207 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: unlike her, you know, I think we're very much different 208 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: sides of the same coin in that there's a lot 209 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 2: of responsibility, there's a lot of community care, right, and 210 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: even if somebody sees us as you know, this perhaps imposing, 211 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 2: intimidating figure, at the end of the day, we have 212 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: a lot of heart. And because of how I feel 213 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: throughout my life that being that kind of person can 214 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: attract the wrong attention or perhaps you know, just not 215 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: fit in very well. I wanted to gift Bianca with 216 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: the ability to have people really see her and see 217 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: her heart and see what's behind, you know, the personality 218 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: or behind the magnetism, right, because I think when we 219 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: put people on pedestals like that, or we kind of 220 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: project this sense of like wow, like they're this you know, 221 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 2: head girl at school, it's you know, you remove the 222 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: human humanity from them. And that was what I was 223 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: really excited about putting into Bianca because I want it 224 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: for myself, and it was healing to get to do that, 225 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: to get to play this character who gets to be 226 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: your confident self and whatever, but also is you know, 227 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: gets to receive love and care and sympathy. 228 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, feeling misunderstood, I think is something many of us 229 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: have gone through. And that's a character that I feel 230 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: like experiences that, and I imagine that's something you've had 231 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: to deal with too throughout your life and why you 232 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: bring her to life in such a beautiful way. 233 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean my journey has been peppered 234 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: with so much of you know, I'm not similar trajectories 235 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: in terms of parents. My parents are great, but certainly 236 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: having going to make your way through and having to 237 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: define for yourself finding another family right especially, you know, 238 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: I've always been a traveler and so I've often been 239 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 2: alone in places, but I've always been myself and again 240 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 2: like that, can you know, I'm a New Yorker. You 241 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: can only fit in so many different places. But it's 242 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: always been important to me to find home everywhere, and 243 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: you know, I hope that Beyonca's journey she can also 244 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: do that. You know, never more is her home, but 245 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: it's been so contested recently, and I hope that she 246 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: can feel comfortable because it's really a boon to experience 247 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: that for oneself, and I'm hoping that she can do 248 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: that as well. 249 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: So what was your favorite Bianca moment to dive into 250 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: this season? 251 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: I'd have to say, I mean, I love Steve, and 252 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: I adore Steve so much, and I love the scenes 253 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: that we shot. But I have to say, getting to 254 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: work with Catherine is like crazy to me because she's 255 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: always ever since I know I'd be on the show 256 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: with her. It was I couldn't believe it. And first 257 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: time around I didn't get to work with her as closely. 258 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: With this time around, there were just such synergy I 259 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: feel between us, and she's so gracious and giving as 260 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: a performer, and to be able to witness that, to 261 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: see her professionalism and her heart and her wit and 262 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: her ideas as well, because she's not just acting, she's 263 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: also you know, commenting on camera and all this stuff. 264 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: To get to see that from such a legend and 265 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: you know, understand for myself what my career could look like, 266 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: it was really cool. And getting to be a sponge 267 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: next to Catherine was a delight and a privilege. And 268 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: an honor and a dream and you. 269 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: Roast the occasion. You know, when you have an og 270 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: legend like that, you gotta rise. You did, and watching 271 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: the two together were some of the best moments of 272 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: the season because there was this this push and pull 273 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: and this hid intention that we knew what was going on, 274 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: but you know, she did it at first, and it 275 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: was really cool to see that. So how do you 276 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: walk into a room when you're like, all right, I 277 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: am acting opposite of miss Catherine Zada Jones and we 278 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: are going to rock and roll and I'm going to 279 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: do it? Like, how do you not let that fear 280 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: kind of just squash you? 281 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: Over preparedness? Yeah, first of all, but I'd say that 282 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: ever since Bianca was in my life, I've always had 283 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: to do that because you know, when I auditioned for 284 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: the role via self tape and then the next thing 285 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: I know, I was testing with Timberton over zoom in 286 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: my childhood bedroom. So my head up was Bianca, but 287 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: shoulders down it's just yeah, just fearful. But once I 288 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: passed that test, it's like, Okay, well I belong here, 289 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: and I just have to tell myself that more and 290 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: more each day. And never gets easy to just accept that. 291 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: But that's why I like to be prepared and you know, 292 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: to know what I'm getting into and give myself the 293 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: right tool so that way I can rely on what 294 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: I know, what's in my heart, and I guess let 295 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: the talent shine from there. 296 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all you can do at the end of 297 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: the day, right, you have to release and just see 298 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: what happens. 299 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 300 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: So, over the course of two seasons, which is how 301 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: many years because there was a break and the strike, we. 302 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: Shot season one twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two, 303 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: twenty like March August twenty March August August twenty twenty 304 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: one to March twenty twenty two or April, okay, and 305 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: so about three years or two years. 306 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: And here we are in twenty twenty five, almost a 307 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: new year coming. What have you most learned about yourself 308 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: through playing her over the course of this entire time? 309 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: That, honestly, playing Bianca encouraged me to expand as a 310 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: human being in a lot of different ways. I mean, 311 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: being on the show has given me a platform that 312 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: I'm really grateful to have because I've always been somebody's 313 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: been very politically active and it's been nice to be 314 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: able to use that or to use this as a 315 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: snapping stone to affect change. And but that's something I 316 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: wasn't or not necessarily didn't know I was capable of beforehand, 317 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: but at such a wide scale, it's nice to have 318 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: that be a part of my life. And that's also 319 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: aside from you know, political activism, it's also been my 320 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: artistry as well, getting back into directing and producing and 321 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: all these things that I had told myself with years 322 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: away from them, I couldn't do. Now that I'm on 323 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: a show with Timbert and and Catha Zeta Jones, it's like, okay, 324 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: what can't you do? You know, It's forced me to 325 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: stretch myself and to go back and look at where 326 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: what my roots are right and what got me to 327 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: that moment, and to appreciate and nurture those roots because 328 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: I can only imagine what the next ten years are 329 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 2: going to bring. 330 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: Pretty fucking epic. Yeah, that's what I would say you. 331 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: It is just the beginning in many ways for you. 332 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: It really really is. I think there's also a lot 333 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: with this role that we're going to see so much 334 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: to explore and then beyond this role. So there's a 335 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: lot of exciting things, you know that sirens initially, like 336 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: the earliest, earliest depiction and source of a siren was 337 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: a bird woman, right, and then it kind of molded 338 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: and merged into this idea of a mermaid, and that's 339 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: kind of what we think of now when we think 340 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: of a siren. Will we see Bianca in her non 341 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: human form at all? 342 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 2: I think so, I mean, I hope, so, I hope 343 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: so take my word for it, but I mean, it'd 344 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: be cool to see her in her expanded forms, and 345 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: to see the siren world as well. Honestly, we haven't 346 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: gotten to see that community as much. You know, in 347 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: Full Forest, we got to see a little bit in 348 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: season one, but it'd be cool to see what that 349 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: environment and habitat looks like and how they relate to 350 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: each other as well. When I was going into season one, 351 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: and you know, the writers are always the showrunners have 352 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: always been very collaborative, and they asked us to come 353 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: with ideas for our characters. And one of the ideas 354 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: or how I sat down and thought about Bianco as well, 355 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: how would sirens function in the real world? How would 356 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: they appear, you know, amongst us, and I thought politicians, 357 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 2: perhaps lawmakers or a cult leaders, and so I you know, 358 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: that's kind of how the cult came into Benga's life. 359 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: But I'd also just love to go out into the 360 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: world and see what that looks like. You know, who 361 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: else are the people kind of you know, causing trouble 362 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 2: out there in the world of sirens and what does 363 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: that look like and what are the levels to it? 364 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: Because obviously it's a very powerful ability. So yeah, it'd 365 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: be nice to expand on that. 366 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: That is so right on, I mean right a siren 367 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: uses her voice or their voice to control someone's mind. 368 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: A politician would be like, exactly what you would think 369 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: of for that? Interesting? All right, So you're like put 370 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: me in my Mermaid say, oh I am. 371 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: Ready, Yeah, for sure. 372 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that so much. What I 373 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: also love about you is that you're somebody who in 374 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I believe or during COVID you were thinking 375 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: about throwing in the house, oh and giving up acted. 376 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm many many things, including a researcher, epic research. I'm 377 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: the geek, and I love people's stories. That's why I 378 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: do this. And I came upon that and was reading 379 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: that you were going to quit and then Wednesday came up, Yeah, 380 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: and you decided to go on that audition. 381 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 382 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: So the first question is what made you say yes 383 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: to that audition when you were feeling like you were 384 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: done well. 385 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: This is a fun story that I think I've told 386 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: a couple of times. Perhaps not the best way, but 387 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: pretty much. So. The audition wasn't Wednesday, I think it 388 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: was its code name and then Tim Burton Netflix. So 389 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: you can get the audition and you're like, I'm not 390 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: going to get this whatever. But typically for actors, especially 391 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: when you're coming up, it's really important who the caston 392 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: director is because that's where your relationship really is. That's 393 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: who your access is through, right, And so the casting 394 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 2: director was John Papsadera, and a couple months previous I've 395 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: always had, you know, I've been to his office a 396 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: couple of times at that point. But there was a 397 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 2: self tape that I did a couple months previous that 398 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: I knocked it out the park, but then I went 399 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: back to edit it and it was blurry, so but 400 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: I didn't have time to change it, and it's chop Apsidaria. 401 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: You can't be like, oh, I'm not gonna submit it, 402 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: so I had to send it in and I just 403 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: covered my eyes. So when I got the Wednesday audition 404 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: and I saw his name, I was like, oh my gosh, 405 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: I have to do the best audition of my life. 406 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: And it was four pages long, which typically could take 407 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: thirty minutes. Maybe did it for two hours because I 408 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: had to get it perfect. But that's how it all happened, 409 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: and so it really you know, I think that story 410 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 2: demonstrates what it's like to be consistent or to try 411 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: one's best, to be consistent and to deliver and execute 412 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: to the best of one's ability despite what you think 413 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: will come of it. Because I had no expectation that 414 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: I would end up on a Netflix show at Timberton 415 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: right right, you know. But I had my goal set. 416 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: I had my lane set of like, I'm an actor 417 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: and I need to make sure, excuse me, my relationship 418 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: this cast and director is good. So that's how it 419 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 2: all came together. 420 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: Thank god you went out for it, right, because, like 421 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: I said, you were contemplating if this is for you 422 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life, And that's a question 423 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: I think many of us ask in different phases of 424 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: our careers and It's something I feel like you've asked 425 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: yourself on and off again over the years as an artist, Right, 426 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: Like you went to high school here in the city 427 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: and you left and weren't feeling treated the best and 428 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: thought is this for me? And then you know you 429 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: found it again, and then years later, pre Wednesday, you 430 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: were thinking of leaving again. So do you have to 431 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: fight to keep believing in yourself as an artist? 432 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? More than ever, more than ever. I mean, you know, 433 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: getting into Wednesday, I was immediately thinking, where's the playbook? 434 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 2: What do I do at this point? Right? Because I'm 435 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: going to be on this global stage and I don't 436 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 2: have any directions. I don't have any connections to the industry, 437 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 2: I don't know anybody. I don't know how to do this, 438 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 2: how to make sure everything goes right. And you know, 439 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: all my journey prepared me for Wednesday and everything that 440 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: it came with, thankfully, But there's so much more ahead 441 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: and I'm so determined to make the most of it 442 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: because I mean, actors in general, there's not a lot 443 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: of you know, opportunity for us. It's a lot of 444 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: luck as well, but especially given the state of the world, 445 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: there's so many isms that I'm fighting against constantly, and 446 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 2: also with the added pressure of Hollywood and keeping up 447 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: appearances and and doing all of that just so I 448 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 2: can continue doing the art that I love to support 449 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: the people that I love. So, you know, but I 450 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: approach that with faith and and and gumption, and I'm 451 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 2: ready for it. I'm not fearful at all. I'm not disempowered. 452 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: I'm very determined and excited. 453 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: And you know, no for sure, I mean, we don't 454 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: know everything for sure, but I would imagine you know, 455 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: for sure you belong here. 456 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's f I have to because 457 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that don't agree, and I 458 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: don't care for that opinion, and I want to bring 459 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: everybody along with me. It's a passion of mine to 460 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: pass on knowledge, especially to black actors, because a lot 461 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: of us don't have the roots in the industry that 462 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: other people do and don't know how to handle ourselves 463 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 2: in these global stages. Again, but I'm so determined to 464 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 2: show that we're all artists and we all have a 465 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: place in something to say, and it honestly brings me 466 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: joy to you know. Have that be a part of 467 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:53,479 Speaker 2: my mission? 468 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really special. I feel like that 469 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: in a similar way, growing up as a gay man, 470 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: felt like I had to maybe work a little harder 471 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: and prove myself a little more and pave my own path. 472 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: And not that I remotely understand what it's like growing 473 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: up as you. I'm not a black person, right, I 474 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: am a gay man, but I understand what it's like 475 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: to fight to be seen and heard and valued, you know. 476 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: And I think it's a really cool thing when you 477 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: actually believe that you do belong somewhere. 478 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to because there's a lot of people 479 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: doubting themselves. And at the end of the day, none 480 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: of us should be limited in this human experience. All 481 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: of us should be able to create art and have 482 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: it seen and appreciated or at least witnessed, right, Yeah, 483 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: And the fact that there's these barriers and people who 484 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: can decide whether or not something should exist is wrong. 485 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: And it's such a privilege to be an artist. And 486 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: my only wish is to spread that privilege around that wealth. 487 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: I love that I love that isn't art just stand beautiful? Right, 488 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: It's so amazing, And to keep creating and doing something special, 489 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: Like I wrote a script I wrote a rom com 490 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: and it's based loosely based off my life and some 491 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: crazy things that have happened. 492 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: Oh it is. 493 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: It is juice. And my husband read it and was like, 494 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: we need to have a conversation. We need to talk 495 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: about some of these scenes right now. Right what's that about? 496 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: Did that really happened? I said. The beauty of this 497 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: is you can figure out on your own terms of 498 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: what happened. I don't have to tell you everything. Let's 499 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: talk about something else, thank you. But yeah, I'm right right, 500 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm like about something else, man, But I'm you know, 501 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: in the process of trying to get that made. And 502 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: it's just like to use what we were given and 503 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: grew up with in what we are, and to put 504 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: it into something that can hopefully better the world or 505 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: create joy. I think is such a beautiful thing. And 506 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: that's what you're doing with your work in your art, 507 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: and it's very clear that's a mission to you and 508 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: you're directing, which we're going to talk about in a 509 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: little bit as well. So it's it's a very exciting thing. 510 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: And I really appreciate the fact that you keep things 511 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: so and you talk about things in a way that 512 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: doesn't just glamorize you as this big Hollywood actress. You're like, 513 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: this is the reality of it. And you got Wednesday, 514 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: and you worked on Wednesday and people loved it. And 515 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: you've talked about how it was hard to get other 516 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: work between the seasons, and nobody would expect that you're 517 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. You are on one of the most popular 518 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: shows in the world either, right, But it's like the 519 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: work and life of an artist. It doesn't always the 520 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: pieces don't always fall as easily as other people would expect. 521 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: And I imagine that also is something that when that 522 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: started happening between seasons, you had to figure out how 523 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: to handle for sure. 524 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 2: For sure, I mean I, unlike a lot of actors today, 525 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: thankfully had a bit of a floater right and was 526 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 2: able to support myself through that time. However, if I 527 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: didn't have that, I don't know where I'd be. I 528 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: don't know what my career outlod with look like, because 529 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 2: for a lot of people, they don't have the opportunity 530 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: to say no to a job that they don't respect 531 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: or don't see themselves in. But it was still discouraging 532 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 2: to recognize that I didn't actually have that many opportunities 533 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: to say no, it's and kind of being demoralized throughout 534 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 2: that and feeling like, wow, they I it's it doesn't 535 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: mirror everybody's experience, and so to look at myself in 536 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: the mirror and say, what is it about me that 537 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: doesn't that can't work at the same level, It can 538 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: be discouraging. And that's exactly what I fight against, because 539 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have to feel that way, especially given the 540 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: fact that I show up and I do the work 541 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: and I'm consistent, right. But I've since learned to not 542 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: dwell in that space, and fully this year, you know, 543 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: I got to release a lot of that energy late 544 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: last year and then this year has just bloomed in 545 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: so many different ways. I got to work on a 546 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 2: project that completely healed me. Just the experience was the 547 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: best experience I've had working on set, just getting to 548 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: grow as an actor and to you know, be in 549 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: an environment that just nurtured everyone and empowered me to say, 550 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: it might be far and few between, but when it happens, 551 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: it's so worth it, and you put your all into it. 552 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: And to get that opportunity as an art as an 553 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: artist is again a privilege. Yeah, and I just want 554 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: everyone to experience that, and. 555 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: I think it's a good reminder for all of us, 556 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: no matter what career we're in, is that we can 557 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: be so passionate about what we do and love what 558 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: we do, and that's why hopefully we do what we 559 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: do career wise, but it also doesn't solely define us, 560 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: and there's so much more to us as well, and 561 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: it's learning how to figure out that part of who 562 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: we are so that when those hard times come up, 563 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: like we know, okay, you know what, this might suck 564 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: for a minute, but my worth isn't all that all 565 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: centered around that job or this career, because I'm other 566 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: things too, and we're going to get through this. You know. 567 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: It's actually interesting because what I was straddling, the conflict 568 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 2: I was straddling, was not even necessarily like, oh, I 569 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: need another job, because you know, I just you know, 570 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 2: I just need But it's also having to choose between 571 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: having a lot so much of this angst towards something 572 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 2: that I love. Yeah, is such a huge burden to carry, 573 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: especially because you know, you're in community with other artists 574 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: and all you want to do is celebrate that art. 575 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: But it becomes hard when it feels like you're creatively 576 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: blocked yourself and not getting to access that and express 577 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: that was tough. And that's why I can only encourage 578 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: folks to work with other artists as much as you can, 579 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: because again, nothing should be able to stop you from 580 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: expressing yourself. And I think, and I'm so appreciative of 581 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: the moments where I got to be in community with 582 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: other artists. Yeah, because it got tough. 583 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it lifts you up. And we all knew that. 584 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: But I mean, you have right now, you have so 585 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: much going on with the season three, you have other 586 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: projects you've done, you're directing, like, there's so much happening 587 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: for you. You might be playing Lauren Hill in a biopick. 588 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: I heard, do you want to break any news today? 589 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: No? Gosh, what time is it? Oh? No, no, no news. 590 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: I have no news. Have you heard something? 591 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: I heard that you really want to play her in 592 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: a BIOPI. 593 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: I heard that too. 594 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't know from who, well, you're putting it out 595 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: in the world, so I have to say, I did 596 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: not know that you're saying. 597 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: I did not know that either. Honestly makes my heart 598 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: jump because I'm such a nervous performer. So let's go 599 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: back to high school. I actually developed debilitating stage fright 600 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: as an actor while at theater school fun. 601 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: As a result of how you were treated, right, Yes. 602 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: And that's something that I had to work through. And 603 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: you know, my first few auditions, I was stuttering and 604 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: unable to speak, which to see how much I'm over 605 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: enunciating today it's a completely different person. And I had 606 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: to work through that, you know, lack of confidence. And 607 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: it's the same thing with singing, and it's the same 608 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: thing with directing. It's the same thing with the imposter syndrome. 609 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: It just oscillates between different trades. Honestly, I think singing 610 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 2: is my is my final boss. But I do think 611 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: I have a beautiful voice. It's just am very shy 612 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: about it. 613 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so how are you going to get over being shy? 614 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: Are you going to start like dropping low key videos 615 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: on Instagram of youth singing? 616 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: You know what? That is the plan? That really is 617 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: the plan. I think also because as I went to 618 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: art school, there's such an emphasis on you know, correct 619 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: training and instruction, and I think and going to New York, 620 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: I mean they follows down the street like it's it 621 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 2: can be such a harsh world out there, and you know, 622 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if you could tell, but I'm type 623 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: so I like to have my stuff. And so I 624 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: think once I get over that block and recognize that 625 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 2: I do have the tools, it'll it'll be barreling out. 626 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: You won't be able to stop. 627 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: Oh we can't. So what's your favorite? What's your favorite 628 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: Lauren hillsong? 629 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: I would have to say it's Can't Take My Eyes 630 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: Off You. Yeah. I think that's such a sweet song 631 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: and it works for any relationship. And yeah, it just 632 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: has a lot of heart or lost ones. 633 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: Let me tell you, I could see it happening for you. 634 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: So I hope you stick within. I hope you do 635 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: it first person. 636 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: Anybody told me I ever looked like real's special? 637 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Well, and you have her in your new 638 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: directing project. 639 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 2: Will herself somebody who's very very I. 640 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: Should say, yes, hear her music? Can you imagine I 641 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: have Lauren Hill's in your project? Maybe I just manifested 642 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: it for you. Maybe there you go, But I hear 643 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: I heard you giving us a little musical something in 644 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: that too. So talk to me about all of this 645 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: the Take one series. Correct, Yes, you dropped something today 646 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: or yesterday today? What is this? What is it about? Like, 647 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: tell me everything? 648 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: So Young Arts Take One, Well, firstly, Young Arts is 649 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: a beautiful organization that supports young artists you know and 650 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: around around the nation, and interdisciplinary artists come together for 651 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 2: a week and just create art together, and some of 652 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: them go on to get presidential recognition. All that jazz. 653 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: But the Take One project invites alumni to come together, 654 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: a lot of them haven't met before, and you choose 655 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: something to perform. Doesn't necessarily need to be a song, 656 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 2: can be you know, poetry piece, whatever, but the artists 657 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: come together and have a couple of minutes to rehearse 658 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 2: that day and then they have to you know, perform 659 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 2: all in one take. And so imagine my distress going 660 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 2: leading up to it, because I did not only one, 661 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 2: but two songs. Actually there's another one coming out. Oh, 662 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: but I was so nervous going into it because nobody's 663 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 2: seen I mean really nobody's seen things that I've directed, 664 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 2: and I haven't done it in a very long time, 665 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 2: ever since I left film school. And so imagine me 666 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: knowing that it would be coming out around the time 667 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 2: of this very public Yes, yes, and but I couldn't 668 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: be more grateful for how beautifully it came together. And 669 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 2: it was such a beautiful exercise for me and relinquishing 670 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: control and trusting, you know. I mean, I've always been 671 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 2: somebody who loves to trust the experts. But really, how 672 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 2: beautifully the artistry came together because I let go and 673 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 2: you know, just bear, you know, leaid witness to everyone 674 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 2: and what they had to bring to the table. It 675 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: was such a beautiful reminder of what we're all capable of. 676 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: We'll actually see in the next one that I'll be 677 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: releasing that one of the artists had to drop out 678 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 2: the day of, and so a singer had to drop 679 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 2: in and memorize a song that morning and do it. 680 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know how y'all do it. 681 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: It really is fun to watch. It feels like you're 682 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: witnessing something almost that you shouldn't be witnessing. Like it 683 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: just feels like you're in this world that you stumbled 684 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: into and you're watching these performers bring something into life 685 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: in a way that's so organic and natural and that 686 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be there. It's the best way to describe it. 687 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: It's really a beautiful beautiful piece. How can people watch 688 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: this and see your next one? 689 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,959 Speaker 2: You can watch it on YouTube if you just search 690 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 2: young Arts, young Arts take one. Everything is Everything. It 691 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 2: should probably be the first one that pops up. But yeah, 692 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: please watch it. I think we'll eventually release it on 693 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 2: Instagram full. But go to YouTube, find it up there 694 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 2: and look out for the next one on September twenty fourth, 695 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: which is the day before my birthday, so you have 696 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 2: to watch because that's my birthday. 697 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: Gift. Happy early birthday. 698 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 2: Thank you. 699 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: It's clear you light up talking about this and directing 700 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 1: in general, and that's such a fun different tool for you, 701 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: I know, right, it's so cool to see that. It 702 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: brings you so much joy. 703 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's and I'm thank you for saying that, 704 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 2: because you know, again, I have these urges and instincts 705 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 2: to do these things, but I talk a lot to 706 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 2: convince myself and think that I don't believe it, but 707 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 2: you say and that shows me that no, there's something 708 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: coming up from the inside that wants to come out. 709 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, and honor and continue honoring it. Right, Nobody, 710 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: nobody can put us in a box and say you're this, 711 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: this or that, like this is an outlet for you 712 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: that's going to continue growing. And it's really really, I'm 713 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: not kidding you, guys, it's a really beautiful piece. I 714 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: hope you I hope you go watch it. It's just 715 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: it's done so beautifully. So congrats to you on that. Man, 716 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: is there anything you can't do? You're like, no, nope, 717 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: I can't draw. 718 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 2: I can't draw, Okay, I can't draw, and that that 719 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 2: that's something that I'll on the front. 720 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: Well, at least you have one flaw. I don't feel 721 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: as inadequate as I do sitting across from you anymore. 722 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing that. 723 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I actually had an answer. 724 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I don't want this conversation to add. 725 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: But the name of the show is called I've never 726 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: said this before, and it was born because I cover 727 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: a lot of red carpets and a lot of junkets, 728 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: which you are no stranger to. And you know, in 729 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: a carpet, you get two minutes with somebody in a junket, 730 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: maybe six, and it's just not a space for real, 731 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: meaningful conversation. It's a very headline based You guys are 732 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: asked a lot of the same stuff because every show 733 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: and out that wants their question, you know, to have 734 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: their own bite with I always trying to make it 735 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: personal at least with one question, but it's just a 736 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: different format. And I left so many carpets being like, 737 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,760 Speaker 1: I feel like I see a look in the people's 738 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: eyes who I'm talking to where they're just like I 739 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: just want more, Like I just want to be able 740 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: to say something more. And that's how the show was born, 741 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: to give people the space to come on and say 742 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: something that they don't get the chance to always say 743 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: in a rushed environment. And it can mean whatever it 744 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: means to you. But is there something to that you 745 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: can think of that you've never had a chance to 746 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: say that you want to say. 747 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 2: You know, I've thought long and hard about this because 748 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 2: I am somebody who you can tell has a lot 749 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 2: of different plots on the stove. So I'm gonna leave 750 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 2: here today and be like durg I should have said that. 751 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 2: But I think what's resting on my heart largely is 752 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 2: the state of the world. I'm one person, and very much, 753 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 2: very often it can feel, especially with my platform. Even 754 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 2: though I just said like it's awesome that I get 755 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 2: to use it, it's also really scary, you want to 756 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 2: do it in the right way. But at the end 757 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 2: of the day, I know what my beliefs are, I 758 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 2: know what I stand for. I know that I yearn 759 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 2: for a free Congo, Freezidan, free Palestine, and I hope 760 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 2: that we all can embrace even if we don't know 761 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 2: the best way to go about something, that we don't 762 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 2: stop ourselves from doing it. And that applies to so much. 763 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 2: Right it applies to our artistry, but it also applies 764 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 2: to our community, and it applies to whatever you can 765 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 2: do to make this world a better place. Which sounds 766 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: very imagine cover from twenty twenty, but yeah, the COVID cover. 767 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 2: But no, I just really hope that we can all 768 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 2: just do the little bit that it takes to try 769 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 2: to affect change. It doesn't always have to be a donation. 770 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 2: It doesn't always have to be going on into the 771 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 2: streets or you know whatever. It's a nice one. You 772 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 2: can do that. But there's also ways to engage in 773 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 2: community care that can expand someone's hearts that they can 774 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 2: care for the topics that you care about. We need 775 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 2: to heal our world and we are responsible for that. 776 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,720 Speaker 2: Nobody else is going to do that. On our behalf 777 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 2: and we need to take risks, we need to put 778 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 2: ourselves out there. So I've never said that before. 779 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: Well, that's beautiful. I can tell you're very passionate about 780 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: wanting to create change in meaningful ways to you and 781 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: you want to encourage people that every single person counts 782 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: in making a change. Nothing's too small, right, no matter 783 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: what the cause is, or the topic is, or the 784 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: issue is. It's just we all want to fight for 785 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,439 Speaker 1: what's right in the world. And I can tell it's 786 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: very very important to you. 787 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 2: It is, and it's it is scary. It is scary, 788 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,439 Speaker 2: but it's also the least that I could do well. 789 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: And you're valid in also worrying sometimes about having the 790 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: burden of the platform because people are very quick to 791 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: jump on and judge and say things behind a keyboard 792 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: and make you feel less than or like you did 793 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: something wrong or invoke an opinion that nobody asked for. 794 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: So you also have to go through all of that. 795 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: So it's finding your voice and being true to yourself 796 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: will also now begating sometimes a very toxic digital world. 797 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I mean that's why I like to 798 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 2: take steps back from it, which is tough when a 799 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 2: lot of the time your employment is contingent on being online. 800 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 2: But I also implore people to remember what it's like 801 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 2: to be outside, into the people in the eyes and talk. 802 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: Well. I could talk to you forever. I really can, 803 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: and I'm so happy for everything you have going on. 804 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: I know the world is still enjoying Wednesday season two? 805 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: Are you filming season three? Are you going off to 806 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 1: film three this year? You don't know, no idea? 807 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know more than me. 808 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so cbd TBD TBD. Well we I know 809 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 1: are going to be very excited for that. Everybody, go 810 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: watch the Take one series everything. Go watch Jo Sunday. Yes, girl, 811 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: you better put that in you better say that. 812 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 2: Yes no, Please support those young artists. They were just 813 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 2: amazing and put their all into it, and I'm just 814 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,760 Speaker 2: so happy and grateful that it all came together. 815 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, my dear. This was so fun and 816 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: I can't see you do more and more and more 817 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: come back anytime. This was so much fun. 818 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 2: I want to I want to do a podcast. 819 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: With you, right like co host? Did you just pitch 820 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 1: me co hosting a show together? 821 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 2: Could we do that? 822 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: We can do anything in anything we want anything we. 823 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 2: Want, like limited series. 824 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: You know, we can fit it in between the next 825 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 1: season and Wednesday, you know, and all the other things 826 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: you have going on. 827 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 828 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Don't 829 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: be a stranger. 830 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,919 Speaker 2: I will not be, you know what. I'll be back 831 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 2: here in the spring hopefully. Okay, going to be on 832 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 2: an HBO show so Mike draw might see see me again. 833 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: I can look forward to it. It's been block I 834 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,399 Speaker 1: look forward to it. Thank you, bye. I've Never said 835 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: this before. It is hosted by Me Tommy Didario. This 836 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and 837 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never 838 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: Said This Before is part of the Elvis Duran podcast 839 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: network on iHeart Podcasts. For more rate review and subscribe 840 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: to our show and if you liked this episode, tell 841 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: your friends. 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