Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness culture? And
Speaker 1: it's yet another testament to shooting your shot on the
Speaker 1: d MS today. The arc of this is really beautiful
Speaker 1: and the trajectory has yet to be finished, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's we have a whole episode ahead of us
Speaker 1: with this person. And I mean, I've been working myself
Speaker 1: up over this for a while now. Ever since we
Speaker 1: got the confirmation, I have to ask the guests if
Speaker 1: she heard the episode or the snippet of us drafting
Speaker 1: a message in the d MS to send her, because
Speaker 1: it was sort of like getting ready to ask someone
Speaker 1: to prom you know what I mean. It was like,
Speaker 1: I just I want to do it right. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm not the kind of person who's like, hey, do
Speaker 1: you mind reading this email? I don't have to like
Speaker 1: have someone do a pass at it if it's coming
Speaker 1: from me. I want to say, I'm not, but I
Speaker 1: am the kind of person who will read it. If
Speaker 1: I'm nervous about an email or something I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: will sort of like casually read it out loud. So
Speaker 1: I'm not like asking like, hey, can you can I
Speaker 1: run this by you? But I will sort of like
Speaker 1: do it with the assumption that people will confirm or
Speaker 1: deny that it's Babe, you gotta kill the editor in
Speaker 1: your brain. You so do, you so do, because otherwise,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna how are you gonna put clay
Speaker 1: on the table? How are you gonna make art? You know?
Speaker 1: How are you going to even put clay on the table?
Speaker 1: First of all, First of all, I want to just
Speaker 1: close a loop from last week. My ear is fixed.
Speaker 1: Okay everyone, I know everyone's concerned. My ear is fixed.
Speaker 1: I had what's called the mirror and gottomy. I just
Speaker 1: explained it to our guests, and then she left the
Speaker 1: chap and I thought, okay, I've lost the guests. I've
Speaker 1: I've grossed the guests out. But it was merely a
Speaker 1: technical issue. However, I won't explain it to you, the readers.
Speaker 1: You can just look up mirroring Gootomy and you can
Speaker 1: figure mirror economy. Was she and roomy Michelle? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: mirror and Gottomy played ROMI yeah, and they're talking about
Speaker 1: bringing it back and Miry and mirroring Gootomy. I am
Speaker 1: so glad that you're feeling better, especially because it's um
Speaker 1: you know where I look. We we we we We
Speaker 1: had a mission beginning of this year to bring more
Speaker 1: musicians on the podcast because let's let's face it, we
Speaker 1: love music here and we're popping the fuck off in
Speaker 1: terms of succeeding in that. Okay, I would say, so, Matt,
Speaker 1: do you remember seeing this person in concert? Do I
Speaker 1: remember seeing this person in concert? I literally we went
Speaker 1: with the this is the thing about a Marion Morris show.
Speaker 1: All different people are there. You got your country fans,
Speaker 1: and the gays were out. Do you remember when we
Speaker 1: saw Colton Haynes and I was like, that's Colton Haynes
Speaker 1: was there and he was good and sweet boys. And
Speaker 1: I was looking around and I was like, Bowery Ballroom
Speaker 1: is out for Marion Morris, and the gays are wearing
Speaker 1: their jackets. You know, the gays put on their good
Speaker 1: jackets for the Marion morrishow. The gays put on their
Speaker 1: good jackets for the Marion Moore show. Ryan Hurd had
Speaker 1: long hair at the time. Remember the chemistry, but I
Speaker 1: remember the chemistry go, those two must there must be
Speaker 1: something going on between in those just like, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. That's two people, that's gonna get married,
Speaker 1: and our guest was wearing pre like before it was
Speaker 1: cool pre let's say her name, Ariana Grande, wore an
Speaker 1: oversized hoodie and made it look fucking cheek. It was
Speaker 1: like Heather gray. It was like it was really really
Speaker 1: it was black. It was black. Well, I'm famously color blind.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think it was Heather gray. Is
Speaker 1: this like a Mandela effect thing like bearn Stein bears,
Speaker 1: bearn Stain bears, Like it's two different realities. Remember, it's
Speaker 1: literally the dress. It's it's black and gold or whatever
Speaker 1: the dress was. Remember the dress. Oh my god, my god.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I was with you during the dress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I remember I saw that I saw the dress
Speaker 1: as one thing and you saw the dress as another thing.
Speaker 1: And that's when we really knew the dress was gonna
Speaker 1: pop off. It was gonna pop off, and it did,
Speaker 1: and it did. We can't tell we cannot talk about
Speaker 1: the dress. We can we still we cannot talk about
Speaker 1: the dress while the guest is here, because we could
Speaker 1: just keep going about the dress. And the thing about
Speaker 1: our guest is truly in the middle of sort of
Speaker 1: release of a lifetime because this new album Humble Quest
Speaker 1: is so great and you're not going to believe this,
Speaker 1: like this podcast, it's critically acclaimed. Okay, Pitchfork is gagging,
Speaker 1: all the girls are gagging. I mean, it's just so good.
Speaker 1: And I've been a fan since obviously the album Hero
Speaker 1: and I think I remember I remember she came to SNL.
Speaker 1: Were you there when she was at SNL that I
Speaker 1: was not working here at the time, but I remember
Speaker 1: when she was the musical guest. I was like, I
Speaker 1: gotta tune in and iconic and we talked about eighties
Speaker 1: mercendies on this show all the time, about how it
Speaker 1: was a watershread moment. But just to sort of run
Speaker 1: through the credits, if you're living under a rock, I
Speaker 1: mean just Grammy winner five times c M A winner,
Speaker 1: five times a c M winner, I mean just an incredible,
Speaker 1: incredible not just country music, crossover artist. There's R and
Speaker 1: B influences in her music, there's pop also, a member
Speaker 1: of the High Women. I mean, this is just like
Speaker 1: truly a gaft for lost pljuris this. I don't think
Speaker 1: that there's anyone better at TBH TVH, no one better.
Speaker 1: We're so excited. Chiefs here, please welcome. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I wanted to chime in so many times in your
Speaker 1: plea I cannot. I did not know that you guys
Speaker 1: were at the Bowery show. It was amazing because I
Speaker 1: distinctly remember that was my first real time to headline
Speaker 1: a New York City show because that was the Hero
Speaker 1: tour and we were in clubs, So doing the Bowery
Speaker 1: I remember for the first time really getting to see
Speaker 1: my crowd because I think that was one of the
Speaker 1: first shows of the tour, so I didn't know what
Speaker 1: my crowd looked like yet. I had only done you know,
Speaker 1: radio and streaming, so doing live performances as a different model,
Speaker 1: and so getting to see like you guys were in
Speaker 1: that you were like the guinea pigs. You're in the
Speaker 1: gas of the tour, Marin. But I remember there was
Speaker 1: this like gay guy in the crowd. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: one of you. Um, some guy had perfectly choreographed an
Speaker 1: entire routine to my song how It's Done, Every word
Speaker 1: had emotion to go with it. I was just gagged you.
Speaker 1: You probably didn't even know you were making music that
Speaker 1: could have choreo attached. I didn't know. I truly didn't
Speaker 1: at that point. It was it was like and also
Speaker 1: I was like blown awaite because the thing is like,
Speaker 1: when you listen to your album, there's obviously so much
Speaker 1: like character in your voice, and you have such a
Speaker 1: You're such an incredible storyteller. I didn't know you had
Speaker 1: all these runs, like the dexterity in your voice, Like
Speaker 1: we were looking at each other like bitches singing down
Speaker 1: like you really were like killing the vocals, Like not
Speaker 1: that I didn't know that, but like your live singing
Speaker 1: is insane. Thank you. I that's such a huge comp
Speaker 1: went I. It's just tripping me out before even coming
Speaker 1: onto this show because I I'm a fan of both
Speaker 1: of y'all's. But Matt, like I have followed you years
Speaker 1: ago because I remember it was I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's still up, but you did this parody of the
Speaker 1: Lover track list? Did you take it down to down?
Speaker 1: But just because you know, it's like you can only
Speaker 1: parody someone that well when you love them you have
Speaker 1: a deep, like absolutely deep respect for their craft. But Matt,
Speaker 1: I think you might actually be a songwriter because the
Speaker 1: one that I showed Ryan we were on vacation and
Speaker 1: you made this whole track list up in your mind.
Speaker 1: I think maybe before the album was actually out, but
Speaker 1: it was the one where you're like, whoa bit do
Speaker 1: you see that? Yeah? That was actually the opening track
Speaker 1: of my lover parody albums. I am going to put
Speaker 1: it back up because people did get into my d
Speaker 1: M s and they were like, where did it go?
Speaker 1: You have to put it back up. This is how
Speaker 1: I it's your greatest hits. I mean, I want to
Speaker 1: have access to them at all points. But no, that
Speaker 1: was when I started following you because I was telling Ryan.
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy made an entire fake track
Speaker 1: list and his singing hooks that could I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can say it, but if I'm
Speaker 1: quoting you, but you can. I think the hardest we
Speaker 1: both laughed like all year was that. But I would
Speaker 1: be oh my god, I would be honored if someone
Speaker 1: went out of their way to do an entire parody
Speaker 1: of my album track list. I mean it was brilliant
Speaker 1: as just a songwriter myself who was like in the
Speaker 1: public eye. I mean, oh my gosh, if someone did
Speaker 1: that good of I mean I wouldn't even call it
Speaker 1: a read, but I mean it was. It was just
Speaker 1: perfection and your your melodies were just I mean, that's
Speaker 1: very kind. I'm partial to gay rights because I mean, Marin,
Speaker 1: are you are you do you have phono graphic memory
Speaker 1: or do you do you do you kind of like
Speaker 1: have this like ear for just any little sound that
Speaker 1: you can replicate. Well, I've also listened to his version
Speaker 1: of this track list many times. It's not phono graphic.
Speaker 1: But is that the one featuring and dowd? Oh? God? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: sorry too. I'm a fan girling on that. Is it
Speaker 1: sort of iconic that we get you on this podcast
Speaker 1: and you talk about my music? Yes? But I refused,
Speaker 1: I refused to continue. All right, sorry, I'll stop where
Speaker 1: I'm done germing. But it was just, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a great what a great thing. That's taste. I
Speaker 1: have to say, like, I'm obviously a fan of all
Speaker 1: your albums, but this album Humble Quest like bone and
Speaker 1: I have been um listening to it and I just think,
Speaker 1: like lyrically, especially this is like your best i mean
Speaker 1: background music. When I heard it, I was like, this,
Speaker 1: to me, is the best song you've ever written? Like that,
Speaker 1: that's like, how do you feel in terms of like
Speaker 1: as a songwriter looking at your own work, because I
Speaker 1: also I also sense in your lyrics that you're you're
Speaker 1: definitely a self critic and hard on yourself, especially in
Speaker 1: like you know, I can't love you anymore in humble quests,
Speaker 1: like I can tell that you are someone that's self critical.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about like what you've done here?
Speaker 1: I think it's the only way I can like stomach
Speaker 1: doing such a self indulgent job is especially through the
Speaker 1: country storytelling is just too poke holes in the balloon
Speaker 1: and just laugh because it's just I mean, the last
Speaker 1: two years have been tough for everybody but everything, especially
Speaker 1: in the touring industry, which is going to be fractured
Speaker 1: for a long time and its rebuilding. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just going on such a toxic path downward
Speaker 1: and we were all so addicted to it and just
Speaker 1: kind of getting used to it always looking like that.
Speaker 1: And now I think the only way I could have
Speaker 1: written this album is out of just having this sense
Speaker 1: of levity and knowing that you're not in control of anything.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you thought you were, Um, you're not
Speaker 1: that cool. Take it down a notch. I think like
Speaker 1: it was just humbling all around to be like, I
Speaker 1: can't tour. I had, you know, my son at the
Speaker 1: very beginning of COVID, I had you know, an unplanned,
Speaker 1: you know, emergency C section. There was there's all these
Speaker 1: things that were out of my grip, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, God, I'm going to kill myself if
Speaker 1: I keep taking it this seriously. It's just not good
Speaker 1: for me. I don't think it's breeding the best art,
Speaker 1: the best lyrics, the best honesty for me, and I'm
Speaker 1: kind of becoming a pill to be around. So I
Speaker 1: think just all of it made me be like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm lucky to get to do this for
Speaker 1: a living and have people that buy tickets to my
Speaker 1: shows and listen to the records. But I cannot do
Speaker 1: this and treat myself the way I have been any
Speaker 1: longer if I want to have any longevity here. And
Speaker 1: so it just made me loosen my grip and start
Speaker 1: to laugh at things and just not take it so
Speaker 1: seriously in a time where everything was so serious and
Speaker 1: um yeah, I think it allowed me to maybe access
Speaker 1: even more vulnerable parts of me to write on a
Speaker 1: page that's really apparent. I think I think I've heard
Speaker 1: you say with this album that because touring wasn't like
Speaker 1: a prospect, you weren't sort of beholding to this deadline
Speaker 1: in terms of songwriting, and so was it was this
Speaker 1: journey that you had with not having touring as this
Speaker 1: like thing in your future being terrifying, scary, throwing everything
Speaker 1: into question about, you know, the way you work, that
Speaker 1: eventually became something kind of liberating, and that you were like, well,
Speaker 1: I can actually write from a place of like not
Speaker 1: worrying about when I get to perform this or how
Speaker 1: I do it or like was that was was as
Speaker 1: it fair to say that that's like the arc of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was kind of the first time in a very
Speaker 1: long time I didn't have a deadline to get anything
Speaker 1: turned in. No one did. And I remember the first
Speaker 1: few months of people starting to write via zoom. I mean,
Speaker 1: my husband was doing it, and it just looked so
Speaker 1: depressing to try to write a song through this screen
Speaker 1: and to not be able to connect with people on
Speaker 1: a vibrational level. I mean, just being in the room
Speaker 1: with someone trying to create sound is just so hard
Speaker 1: to do through a two dimensional screen. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: for the first six months of Quarantine, I was like,
Speaker 1: what is the point, Like if we can't play these songs,
Speaker 1: is outlive? Like does the world really need another song
Speaker 1: written today? M Yeah, I think just eventually that bitterness
Speaker 1: wore away and I was like, actually maybe I should
Speaker 1: give you know, give it a go, because there's no
Speaker 1: there's no pressure once and it was almost like when
Speaker 1: I've made my first record, it was like you kind
Speaker 1: of like the old saying is you have your whole
Speaker 1: life to make your first record, and you have five
Speaker 1: minutes to make your second one because there's just no
Speaker 1: expectation on you in that first record. It's like you're
Speaker 1: just like shooting in the dark and you have no
Speaker 1: nothing to live up to yet there's no bar set,
Speaker 1: so it's really freeing. And yeah, I think that it was.
Speaker 1: This was a lot more fun to make then I
Speaker 1: would say my last record, just even though I love
Speaker 1: girl and like the Bones ended up becoming this crazy
Speaker 1: thing that none of us could have first seen. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think mentally I was in like the most
Speaker 1: healthy space just touring constantly and making that record. But um,
Speaker 1: you hear how people say that about like when they're
Speaker 1: like when they're having a really huge moment, you do here.
Speaker 1: I remember Kelly Clarkson. I'm a huge Kelly Clarksonson, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask about Second Wind. But like she talks
Speaker 1: a lot about how when she was at her apex
Speaker 1: like her I guess imperial phase pop stardom was when
Speaker 1: she was like I felt she was going to die
Speaker 1: every day. You know. It's it's really hard to manage
Speaker 1: that expectation, your own happiness, your schedule, and so it
Speaker 1: must be kind of cool to have that. Literally nature
Speaker 1: and the universe say you're slowing down. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it just ended up breeding better art.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even just talking about myself. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm biased because I wrote it, but my friends that
Speaker 1: put records out during this time, I think it was
Speaker 1: their best work because I don't know, it's just it.
Speaker 1: Kind of the silver lining of COVID was that, at
Speaker 1: least on a creative level, I mean, we were just
Speaker 1: allowed to breathe for a second and not tie our
Speaker 1: value or are worth to the applause and flowers that
Speaker 1: we get like like that, that kind of immediate hit
Speaker 1: of attention that we all crave and desire and get
Speaker 1: addicted to. We didn't have that so it really was
Speaker 1: like do you love this? Do you love this enough
Speaker 1: to keep doing it? And some of us said no,
Speaker 1: and some of us you know, said yes and stuck
Speaker 1: in the ring. And I think that a lot of
Speaker 1: my friends put out my favorite works of theirs during
Speaker 1: this time. Do you mind asking who check out? So
Speaker 1: rust and Kelly is one of them. His second record
Speaker 1: was so I mean, both records are incredible, but and
Speaker 1: also like, I don't know her, but I'm obsessed, and
Speaker 1: it brought me and a lot of people out of
Speaker 1: our COVID. Doldrums was like that dualipa future nostal director.
Speaker 1: I always especially now looking back, you really realize how
Speaker 1: important that album was. Yeah, not that she made it
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, but she was brave enough to like
Speaker 1: put it out during such an uncertain time and make
Speaker 1: like spin gold out of it just such a crazy,
Speaker 1: chaotic window, and it ended up becoming one of her
Speaker 1: biggest records and you know, most hits of her career.
Speaker 1: And it was just such a piece of It's just
Speaker 1: such a sliver of sunlight and in all of our world.
Speaker 1: That was one of my favorites of the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. I mean, just things that kept me inspired
Speaker 1: to to get back in the writing room. Honestly, yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of have this jealousy over you or anyone
Speaker 1: keying into a way of working and writing without a deadline,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if Matt you agree with agree
Speaker 1: with this, but if I don't have a deadline, it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of not going to get done. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's harder, it's hard, it's harder, and so and so
Speaker 1: I think maybe part of it is like approaching it
Speaker 1: differently and going, well, this is actually the best case
Speaker 1: scenario in some way, like where I get to just
Speaker 1: do ever I want, rather than be like overwhelmed daunted
Speaker 1: by this concept of well, you're not like beholden to
Speaker 1: any timeline, so you get to like be as indecisive
Speaker 1: and like, like, if if it brings out like the
Speaker 1: worst creative instincts in you in terms of being indecisive,
Speaker 1: then like that's what you have to overcome. But if
Speaker 1: you're already like in the pocket creatively, and this is
Speaker 1: not just that you've always that, like you don't have
Speaker 1: moments of like you know, like figuring stuff out as
Speaker 1: you go, But like I think that just speaks to
Speaker 1: you in your process that you get to just see
Speaker 1: that in a very clear way to go, I don't
Speaker 1: have a deadline. This means I can actually kind of
Speaker 1: right from a liberated place. Yeah, and listen, I I'm
Speaker 1: I kind of live in both worlds because I do
Speaker 1: need structure, because I'm not a very self motivated person.
Speaker 1: If i just have all the time in the world
Speaker 1: to write an album or a song, even like, I
Speaker 1: do need some structure, like I would be incredibly And
Speaker 1: I was a failure at home schooling like in my
Speaker 1: senior year of high school because I just didn't even
Speaker 1: finish it because it was all online. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll get I'll get to it next week, and I
Speaker 1: never did. So yeah, I ended up having to go
Speaker 1: to the three week high school with all the like
Speaker 1: pregnant girls. So that's that was I felt like such
Speaker 1: about us. I finished high school in three weeks with
Speaker 1: all the with all the knocked up girls. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I do need some structure. Yeah, totally totally. But but
Speaker 1: I mean I think that what COVID, in just those
Speaker 1: two years of adapting taught all of us is that
Speaker 1: it was extremely imbalanced where it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: live to work, Live to Work, Live to Work, Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: What I really really like about this album too is
Speaker 1: it's like because because especially following Girl and like you know,
Speaker 1: the middle, which is like like a psycho pop song
Speaker 1: that was like everywhere, it's we have the hum Quest
Speaker 1: album now, and you still make us feel like we're
Speaker 1: listening to you in a bar, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like this could be an album that like really reads
Speaker 1: with like thirty people in a bar, like and everyone
Speaker 1: you know, like applause after each song, like I'll sip
Speaker 1: it between our drinks, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: feels like it's an album for that atmosphere too. Not
Speaker 1: to say it couldn't be played in arenas which humble
Speaker 1: Quest to is happening, which is so exciting, but like
Speaker 1: it feels intimate and also what I love is it's
Speaker 1: it's still. And what I love about your writing is
Speaker 1: the humor, like tall guys like truly dragging the short
Speaker 1: King phenomenon, and I know, but it's just so funny
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know, you're That's something that I
Speaker 1: think makes you quintessentially country to like is the humor,
Speaker 1: And I don't know, is that important. Not until I
Speaker 1: put the record out, I learned what a short King was.
Speaker 1: I put Tall Guys out. It got released because the
Speaker 1: record was out at midnight. And then some tweet I
Speaker 1: actually put it on instance, and it made me laugh
Speaker 1: so hard. But it was some guy that was talking
Speaker 1: about tall guys and it just said Marion Morris really
Speaker 1: said fuck short Kings. And I was like, is that
Speaker 1: is that its own phenomenon? Like I guess short Kings
Speaker 1: are pop having a real moment right now, but it's
Speaker 1: short Kings Spring, and so it's time bound. It's like
Speaker 1: and it implies it's gonna end soon, like no Shave November,
Speaker 1: like it's ex seasonal, it's seasonal short Kings. It's usual
Speaker 1: short Kings. Tall tall guys are are are evergreen, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're always going to be able to reach the
Speaker 1: top shelf. That's a good line maybe for the New
Speaker 1: York Show is like short King Spring, but tall guys
Speaker 1: are evergreen. There you go, you're gonna writer co writer. Um.
Speaker 1: I agree with Matt. There's that there's that a reverence
Speaker 1: there and like and it's interesting that you were you
Speaker 1: were saying earlier that like you are kind of you know,
Speaker 1: not that you set out to do this, but like
Speaker 1: that you're you're going to poking holes and like the
Speaker 1: and the balloon of it all of country music, because
Speaker 1: I think I think Circles Around This Town is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs about like the process, like you're
Speaker 1: writing anyone's writing process. I don't think that gets sung
Speaker 1: like a none of people sing about their writing process.
Speaker 1: And I know that sounds meta, but there's this other
Speaker 1: metal layer with background music, where you're like, this is
Speaker 1: what I aspire my music to be, is to like
Speaker 1: be like either it's played in the background or it
Speaker 1: works in the foreground of something like that takes a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence, I think as a songwriter to go
Speaker 1: I'm actually very cool with my songs being played like
Speaker 1: as an undertone or ambiently. Yeah, and that song, well
Speaker 1: background music specifically because my husband and I are both
Speaker 1: songwriters and that's how we met, you know, nine years
Speaker 1: ago in Nashville. We were paired together on a co write.
Speaker 1: But you know, even though the song is very you know,
Speaker 1: honest and it's a love song, it's talking about you know,
Speaker 1: us being has been someday like whether that is going
Speaker 1: to be true or not like we love to joke
Speaker 1: with each other, especially in the last few years, we're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like these few number ones we've had
Speaker 1: under our belt, what if that's it? And what if
Speaker 1: it's just us for the rest of this life. And
Speaker 1: I just decided to spin it into a love song
Speaker 1: with background music because I was like, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you get another number one song,
Speaker 1: or you get this nomination or I get to go
Speaker 1: do this or what have you. It's like, I just
Speaker 1: don't think it adds any more specialness or value to
Speaker 1: our relationships as you know, friends, and we don't have
Speaker 1: a son now, it's like it just doesn't it's not
Speaker 1: as valuable to put our worth and things like that.
Speaker 1: But we do love to joke like, oh yeah, when
Speaker 1: I'm like playing in the casinos and I'm ninety years
Speaker 1: old and you have to like wheel me off stage
Speaker 1: because I'm never going to retire like someday, like that
Speaker 1: might actually be a very real concept. And then even
Speaker 1: further than that, when we're both dead, like will these
Speaker 1: songs still be played? Like maybe that's our legacy is
Speaker 1: not like our memories or even our kids kids. It's
Speaker 1: like the work that we put in. Was it was
Speaker 1: it special? Was it timeless? Will it be played in
Speaker 1: a hundred years if you just don't know? It's so
Speaker 1: specific and special and just the line not everybody gets
Speaker 1: to leave a souvenir like it's it's like acknowledging each
Speaker 1: other and like what you guys get to do together,
Speaker 1: And it's really it's specific to you guys, but it's
Speaker 1: it's like romantic and evocative for everyone. And when I
Speaker 1: heard that song, I remember it came out before the album,
Speaker 1: and I just played it again and again because I
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, I've always been like such an
Speaker 1: admirer of your writing, but this was just like it
Speaker 1: was it was. It's so great. It really it really
Speaker 1: it really moves me. Thank you. Yeah, I love it
Speaker 1: for this thing just another just like sweet like and whatever.
Speaker 1: This is my like literal read on it. It's like
Speaker 1: about distance and um and yet still feeling this like closeness,
Speaker 1: this proximity in spite of that, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: these are I I can't think of a lot of
Speaker 1: other songs that like touch on these things in the
Speaker 1: same like poetic sense that you kind of get to
Speaker 1: voke out of them like it's really, I just it's
Speaker 1: such a great album and like we're I think I
Speaker 1: think we're just like gonna keep fawning over your for
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, but like it's just so good.
Speaker 1: Well rate hit rate with exposing Marion Morris to people
Speaker 1: is like a hundreds always. Jill Kim Booster is a
Speaker 1: very close friend of ours. He's a comedian and we
Speaker 1: were playing um we were driving back from Palm Springs
Speaker 1: and I played him hero and he by the end
Speaker 1: was a stand like and our friend, our friend Sudi
Speaker 1: just reached out to us and was to texting me.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love Marion Morris. I was like,
Speaker 1: where have you been? And then I realized, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. I feel like as more
Speaker 1: people hear it, and already so many have. Obviously that
Speaker 1: thing that you said is going to be true with
Speaker 1: that music last because it well, thank you. I I'm
Speaker 1: always and it's not false humility, I think because country
Speaker 1: music in so many ways, and you know, I've been
Speaker 1: able to tour, you know, all over the States, all
Speaker 1: over the world, South America, Europe, what have you been
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways country music is still very
Speaker 1: niche to people. So it doesn't shock me that you're
Speaker 1: saying that someone was like probably not going to listen
Speaker 1: to this on their own accord. You had to be
Speaker 1: the one to tell them no, actually go check it out.
Speaker 1: And then they do. And it's like, I, you know,
Speaker 1: having done songs like the Middle and you know, been
Speaker 1: in the High Women, and you know, just having you know,
Speaker 1: my own solo success, I feel like just my music
Speaker 1: has always been genre lists, even though I do think
Speaker 1: it sits in country music comfortably. I think that I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be the gateway drop for anyone that would
Speaker 1: turn their nose up at country music to be like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, actually might might like this. It's such
Speaker 1: a huge compliment because it transcends genre lines in such
Speaker 1: a powerful way, which it should. Yeah, And another thing
Speaker 1: about you, which I think is really really cool and
Speaker 1: really important is you are sort of like a huge
Speaker 1: voice for gender and racial equity in country music and
Speaker 1: at large, like and I just think that like you
Speaker 1: stepping out especially like sort of as you know, I
Speaker 1: think probably one of the music women in country music
Speaker 1: that gets played on the radio the most. And I
Speaker 1: know I've heard a lot of people speaking out about
Speaker 1: like you need to play women on country music like etcetera.
Speaker 1: And you are played and for you to be like
Speaker 1: people need to be listening to Mickey Guyton, like people
Speaker 1: need to be listening to all these people. And then
Speaker 1: to see her embrace like I was bummed to see
Speaker 1: her lose the Grammy a couple of weeks ago, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just really cool to see and I
Speaker 1: think that's it's it's important. And I wonder that must
Speaker 1: have been, Like maybe it wasn't difficult for you to
Speaker 1: come out and say that. Well, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know if everyone This is a very hard industry, and
Speaker 1: I feel like the music business is a lot of
Speaker 1: times more business than music, and not everyone gets to
Speaker 1: sign up for this and say I'm going to also
Speaker 1: be this activist. But I don't think it's activism. I
Speaker 1: think it's even if you are played and you're one
Speaker 1: of the few that got chosen to be played on
Speaker 1: the radio, like sticking your neck out and not counting
Speaker 1: your dollars is how I'd like to go out, Like
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I don't. It's so it's
Speaker 1: so finite, isn't it, Like you don't know how much
Speaker 1: time you get here. You don't know. We call it
Speaker 1: like a ten year town. Maybe I get like a
Speaker 1: ten year run of doing this, who knows. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pretend like this could all be burnt to the
Speaker 1: ground in a year, and maybe I'll be the one
Speaker 1: with the matches. But I feel like it's just so
Speaker 1: stupid to like keep your mouth out about things that
Speaker 1: just visibly make you uncomfortable, like physically make you ill,
Speaker 1: just like say something. So it's my job as the
Speaker 1: person with the platform to be like, I have to
Speaker 1: make this a safer environment for everybody, like not just women,
Speaker 1: like people of color, LGBTQ, like all all perspectives to
Speaker 1: feel like they can be housed here and be safe
Speaker 1: for two hours. That's like, that's just like push pull
Speaker 1: of like being specifically. I'm sure you write songs in
Speaker 1: a way that is meant to relate to other people's experiences,
Speaker 1: but then it's also it should be personal. It has
Speaker 1: to be personal. Um, And this is just something that
Speaker 1: a lot of artists do. But I think especially in
Speaker 1: country where you kind of it seems for whatever reason
Speaker 1: more conscious that you go. Let me really like put
Speaker 1: a mold on like how I want um my music
Speaker 1: to be received. Let me really be specific, and yet
Speaker 1: so on some level universal with so many things, I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I always always not to generalize,
Speaker 1: but I always end up liking country musicians in the
Speaker 1: way that they work because because because there is this
Speaker 1: like super structure for better for worse in terms of
Speaker 1: like how country music is run, in terms of like
Speaker 1: the songwriting, and in terms of like who gets you know,
Speaker 1: paired together or whatever. You know, I feel like there's
Speaker 1: something nice about that, and yet there's also something that
Speaker 1: you kind of have to destabilized just a little bit
Speaker 1: in order to make it feel like fresh and new
Speaker 1: or different. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, I know totally.
Speaker 1: And I was just thinking, like in my genre that
Speaker 1: I am at home in, I look at, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of already beating the odds to to get
Speaker 1: any radio play or anything. Is always kind of attached
Speaker 1: to me also being a female, like oh, she broke
Speaker 1: this record, but she's only female to have done it,
Speaker 1: like she's not in the the echelon the boys. But
Speaker 1: but then I look at like the things that I
Speaker 1: get to do because I have made my way of
Speaker 1: thinking known. It's like like doing The High Woman, like
Speaker 1: being one of the few like country Bumpkins that gets
Speaker 1: to do SNL as a remusical guest, Like that was
Speaker 1: such a moment, Like working with like John Mayer and
Speaker 1: Elton John and like Taylor and like just all of
Speaker 1: the things I've gotten to do Z Like it's it's
Speaker 1: just been crazy, like the things that I get asked
Speaker 1: to be a part of, not just because like I'm
Speaker 1: country as a genre of it, because like maybe they
Speaker 1: heard a song of mine or my album, but they
Speaker 1: also like saw me give an interview and Playboy. There's
Speaker 1: just these things that are kind of outside of the
Speaker 1: scope that you know, I've taken risks on and even
Speaker 1: like doing not that this is but like but even
Speaker 1: getting asked to do this and like this and why
Speaker 1: would you want to It's like such an amazing like
Speaker 1: y'all's conversations on here so elevated and so funny. And
Speaker 1: I had so many people reach out to me when
Speaker 1: you guys like I saw your DM Matt, but it
Speaker 1: was but I think it was before the episode aired, maybe,
Speaker 1: but I had so many people like the night my
Speaker 1: album came out or maybe was the next night saying
Speaker 1: last cultureristas they talk about constructing their d M to
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I immediately responded, But the
Speaker 1: thing is, like, I don't know. I I think especially
Speaker 1: at the time when you when you did d M
Speaker 1: ME after the Taylor thing, I was like, I literally
Speaker 1: was shook because you you really were in my like
Speaker 1: top rotation, like ever since I found you, Like you
Speaker 1: really are one of my favorites. And then I told everybody,
Speaker 1: and then what the second everyone listened to your album,
Speaker 1: like all my friends wanted to go to your show,
Speaker 1: and then we did and had the best time, and
Speaker 1: we're bigger fans Ben, So just know that, like you've
Speaker 1: impacted us immeasurably in terms of us enjoying your music
Speaker 1: and like what you do and how you do it.
Speaker 1: So I just can't say enough. We want to ask
Speaker 1: you the question, Isn't that right, bo, It's that's a question, Okay,
Speaker 1: We want to ask it, Marin, What is the culture
Speaker 1: that made you say culture is for me? This is
Speaker 1: a formative piece of pop culture. It could be a movie,
Speaker 1: a TV show, an album, or it could be like
Speaker 1: the town you grew up in. It could be like
Speaker 1: the school you went to it can be. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty broad with broad answers. It's it's yeah, it's really okay.
Speaker 1: There's a few, but I feel like, Um, the movie
Speaker 1: Steel Magnolia's was the movie because my mom's a hairdresser,
Speaker 1: and oh my god, so I grew I basically like
Speaker 1: my sister and I. We grew up in hersal on
Speaker 1: and we would get to like style the mannequin heads,
Speaker 1: and you know, that was my first real job, was
Speaker 1: like being a receptionist for her salon. But um, watching
Speaker 1: the movie Steel Magnolia's as a kid, I only knew
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton as Truvy. I didn't know she was Dolly Parton,
Speaker 1: the country music star. I just thought she was an actress.
Speaker 1: And then through a movie about southern hair and diabetes, Um,
Speaker 1: I found Dolly Parton and her golden light of songwriting
Speaker 1: and feminism and just all the things that she has
Speaker 1: done over the last thirty forty years. Um, writing the
Speaker 1: most beautiful songs in history, but also such a diversified
Speaker 1: human like she has, she has a theme park. What
Speaker 1: else can say that? No? What? So I just was
Speaker 1: I think that was what made me think, Okay, how
Speaker 1: country music is fucking cool. Yeah, if they have her
Speaker 1: at the at the Helm. And then also, not that
Speaker 1: I've done any movies or anything like that, but I
Speaker 1: was like, she got so much ship in the seventies
Speaker 1: for going pop, crossing it over. Yes. Yeah, And there's
Speaker 1: this amazing, very passive aggressive interview with Barbara Walters that's
Speaker 1: iconic with Dolly. Barbara Walters did passive aggressive like no
Speaker 1: one else sexually. A culture number hundred three? Is that
Speaker 1: to the interview you're talking about, Dolly's clearly like a
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable, a little annoyed throughout the whole thing. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like it's so poised, so poised, sweetly laughing
Speaker 1: off like all these condescending fucking questions. And then and
Speaker 1: that was what was the answer that you were going
Speaker 1: to talk about? Well, I mean I can't remember specifically
Speaker 1: what Barbara asks her, but it was just like talking
Speaker 1: bringing country to like a like a wider audience basically, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: She's like, what do you think about like the people
Speaker 1: the ends of your own genre that you know made
Speaker 1: you like, are you biting the hand that feeds you
Speaker 1: by going pop? And she was like, I'm always going
Speaker 1: to be country music. Dolly is country, but I want
Speaker 1: to bring Dolly to the world. And I was just floored.
Speaker 1: And I still go back and watch that every few
Speaker 1: months because I feel like, in my own way and
Speaker 1: not in any way, shape or form, comparing myself to Dolly,
Speaker 1: but having you know, worked with her and also just
Speaker 1: come up in this genre and have done many different
Speaker 1: kinds of projects over the years. I just always think about,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to bring me to the world, like
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not beholden to I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be shackled to anything against my will. I'm gonna stay
Speaker 1: have a foot here because I love it and I
Speaker 1: respect it and it made me the songwriter I am today.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm not going to be beholden to it,
Speaker 1: like it's only going to cap my creativity, my my honesty,
Speaker 1: my worth, And so yeah, I think that's what like
Speaker 1: that movie. Weirdly still, Magnolia has made me just I mean,
Speaker 1: for its iconic for hundreds of reasons and Shirley McClean
Speaker 1: olympiadaccus alone I but yeah, it kind of opened me
Speaker 1: up to country music in a way that I I
Speaker 1: didn't find it just through music. I found it through
Speaker 1: this this film from the eighties. Yeah, it's really really iconic.
Speaker 1: A drink your due Shelby of course, a line for
Speaker 1: the history of time. It's just so funny you say this.
Speaker 1: I watched nine to five on the plane last night.
Speaker 1: Oh this was meant to be. I had never seen
Speaker 1: it before. But I do this other podcast for HBO
Speaker 1: Max and we have we're talking about nine to five
Speaker 1: and I had never seen it, and I watched it
Speaker 1: and she really is like she's great on screen. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I And the my favorite thing and it's so her
Speaker 1: is the way that she wrote the song nine to
Speaker 1: five for that film, And I can't believe it didn't
Speaker 1: win the Oscar Like that song not win, but it
Speaker 1: was nominated. But the reason I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was like the typewriter or it was like her acrylic nails.
Speaker 1: She was like doing this one day in her trailer
Speaker 1: where she was like and still with the kitten, and
Speaker 1: like she did it with her freaking fake nails. Wrote
Speaker 1: a song that's so so legendary. Is there is there
Speaker 1: like a legend that like, um, I think when they
Speaker 1: were when they were bringing into Broadway or something, she
Speaker 1: like went to New York flew to New York. I
Speaker 1: thought that she had to like righte the entire show
Speaker 1: and present the entire show, like all the songs in
Speaker 1: the show to the producers the next day. So she
Speaker 1: stayed up and wrote basically the entire show for the
Speaker 1: musical version of Mind to Five, and then showed up
Speaker 1: the next day and like the producers were like floor
Speaker 1: that she brought like a completed score, a full score,
Speaker 1: all the songs, all the written, all the lyrics basically
Speaker 1: written out in the music arranged, and they're like, you
Speaker 1: didn't have to do all that, like from the jump,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's just Dolly. Even the film nine
Speaker 1: to five she says, like in one of her interviews
Speaker 1: that's older. She talks about showing up day one on
Speaker 1: set with like Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin. She had never
Speaker 1: been in a film before, so Dolly thought it was
Speaker 1: customary to just learn the entire script, not just her lines.
Speaker 1: She literally knew every person in the film's lines, including
Speaker 1: her own, and they were like, oh no, no, you
Speaker 1: just need to know yours for just in case if
Speaker 1: someone needs help. One very harassment, Yeah it does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just overachiever, Like there's something like I have to go
Speaker 1: back to this all the time, like it's about the
Speaker 1: work and not to be like not not even like
Speaker 1: a capitalist sense, but in the sense of like you
Speaker 1: should be you should like there should be a relationship
Speaker 1: with the work that you feel like you're enjoying it,
Speaker 1: that there's like a craftsmanship in it, you know that,
Speaker 1: like you're getting in there and like getting your hands dirty.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you relate to this on some level with songwriting.
Speaker 1: I mean, Matt, I relate to this in terms of
Speaker 1: like writing like anything MENI or anything um in that vein.
Speaker 1: But it's like Dolly always reminds me of that. Always
Speaker 1: It's always Dolly. Then I'm like in a field that
Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with in music, but I
Speaker 1: can look to and go wow, that is like aspirational
Speaker 1: in so many ways. Yeah, what was the experience of
Speaker 1: meeting her, Like, I'm sure she adores you, like and
Speaker 1: what's what's your what's the relationship there? And what was
Speaker 1: it like meeting her? I mean, I will say she
Speaker 1: was extremely punctual, like she was always on time. So
Speaker 1: the High Women. The High Woman and I were playing
Speaker 1: Newport Folk Festival in twenty nineteen, and the High Women
Speaker 1: are myself, Brandy Carlyle, Natalie Hemby and Amanda Shires. And
Speaker 1: I had never played Newport Folk Festival. But it's like
Speaker 1: this legendary folk festival where you know, Bob Dylan went
Speaker 1: electric and you know, Chris Christofferson and Johnny Cash met backstage.
Speaker 1: It's just and Joni Mitchell played, and James Taylor. It's
Speaker 1: just like a really iconic festival. And Dolly, in all
Speaker 1: of her decades of just being an icon, had never
Speaker 1: played it. And so a surprise, the High Women were
Speaker 1: going to be closing out the festival. And it's sunset
Speaker 1: on Sunday, last day the festival. You're overlooking like the
Speaker 1: harbor and we get to introduce Dolly and the place
Speaker 1: just went ape shit. I mean, she came out in
Speaker 1: this yellow of course, it's like archival umnody suit that
Speaker 1: has like wagon wheels all over it. I think from
Speaker 1: her days of working with like Porter Wagner. And she's
Speaker 1: so tiny, but we had done rehearsals with her in
Speaker 1: Nashville the week prior, so just like it still gives
Speaker 1: me chills, but we were working and rehearsing with her
Speaker 1: at our Cia Studios um in studio A that room
Speaker 1: and it's the big room, and that's where she recorded
Speaker 1: I Will Always Love You and Joelene. And I don't
Speaker 1: think if I recall what she said, she said she
Speaker 1: had not been back in that room since she recorded
Speaker 1: those songs, So like rehearsing with her in that room
Speaker 1: was just I mean, it could all in tomorrow and
Speaker 1: I'll be able to say that I was in the
Speaker 1: room with her that day. But she's just so lovely
Speaker 1: she I mean, she definitely like like the swear word
Speaker 1: I love. I love when I find out that someone
Speaker 1: is a secret it. Yeah, I mean she she's just
Speaker 1: such a like I don't know, but it's one of
Speaker 1: those people, whether they truly remember you or not, they
Speaker 1: made you feel like they did. And so I don't
Speaker 1: even care to know if she did or not. I
Speaker 1: was like, she makes you feel so special, and she
Speaker 1: lives up to such an impossibly high reputation and expectation
Speaker 1: and she exceeds it. So I just there aren't enough
Speaker 1: glowing things I could say about her, But she's she's
Speaker 1: dolly not to get to like existential, But there is
Speaker 1: something so crazy about like you being in that room
Speaker 1: with her and her having some like hugely impastful effect
Speaker 1: on your life that you would end up in that room.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like kind of thing back looking back,
Speaker 1: like like she's kind of that you know, she's part
Speaker 1: of the reason why you are there with her, that
Speaker 1: she's she's part of the reason why you do what
Speaker 1: you do. Is that fair to say that, like part
Speaker 1: of your artistry as a country musician has is very
Speaker 1: tied to like the way you admired her growing up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean just I can't step for step
Speaker 1: like model my career after somebody's, but if I had to,
Speaker 1: it would be her. And you know, to this day,
Speaker 1: I mean in such I mean it's still very male dominated,
Speaker 1: you know, Nashville country music, but in a time where
Speaker 1: it was especially taboo to even talk about it, she
Speaker 1: was charming and disarming her way through these like corporate
Speaker 1: suits and making everyone love her. Like I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: think I have a pretty good sense of humor. I
Speaker 1: cannot be as funny or quick as her. Um, it's
Speaker 1: like it's not it's not my superpower. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just crazy to to kind of have all these you know,
Speaker 1: ends tied up for me and like getting that chance
Speaker 1: with her and just I don't know, like for a
Speaker 1: few hours getting to soak her in. It was just
Speaker 1: something that like I don't think you have six year
Speaker 1: old me watching Steeve Magnolias would have ever fathomed, but
Speaker 1: is one for the books. I will say, I am
Speaker 1: excited for your theme park, though, I'm excited for your
Speaker 1: like the bones Hunted house. Like, wait, what was your
Speaker 1: surgery called? It was called me what it was like?
Speaker 1: Maren got to me, that's actually shirt. Actually Maren got
Speaker 1: to me, is but like you could be selling like
Speaker 1: a Cola Cola on a Christmas Day? Wait? Can I
Speaker 1: ask about that? Is that a thing? Is Coca Cola
Speaker 1: on a Christmas Day? A thing? Because I had never
Speaker 1: heard it felt so vivid? Yeah, But one was like, well,
Speaker 1: well no, I remember, like I was. It was Christmas.
Speaker 1: It was Christmas Day, and I think I went to
Speaker 1: Maren's Instagram and she posted a picture like under a
Speaker 1: Christmas tree holding like a green can of coke, which
Speaker 1: was like the sugar real sugar, and she's like a
Speaker 1: Coca Cola on a Christmas Day And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: now I want to fucking Coca Cola. We were influenced.
Speaker 1: I was like, really influenced. I have written so many
Speaker 1: things and songs that I have to like live with You,
Speaker 1: live with the Coca Cola on a Christmas Day. That
Speaker 1: literally was just like me and my co writers trying
Speaker 1: to think of a bunch of alliteration, like I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, oh, you give your on Halloween,
Speaker 1: you give yourself a swirly Like it wasn't like quite
Speaker 1: that intense. But the other one was like eighties Mercedes.
Speaker 1: Everyone asked me like, did you finally go buy one?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I didn't, but I mean
Speaker 1: some day I will. If I end up being like
Speaker 1: rich enough of to be like the j Leno of
Speaker 1: car collectors or Jerry Seinfeld, I'll get one, like a
Speaker 1: nice one that i'll soup up. But totally eighties Mercedes
Speaker 1: is your So Dolly Parton's Dollywood has Thunderhead as like
Speaker 1: an iconic wooden roll cluster, Yours is eighties Mercedes. It's
Speaker 1: very clear you're branding the theme park already. I hope,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're helping me and Arlington. Arlington needs
Speaker 1: a theme park because I don't know how six Flags
Speaker 1: is doing. Oh I don't know how six Flags over
Speaker 1: Texas is doing. We need Mary Morris to the theme park. No,
Speaker 1: but I've been to six Flags like all over. I
Speaker 1: was like a roller coaster kid growing up, Like I
Speaker 1: love theme parks, Like it's like very much my thing.
Speaker 1: Are you laughing at me? Drag me? But like I
Speaker 1: just heard, you know, six Flags is not exactly thriving.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, sure, Maren Gottomy, I just have
Speaker 1: to quickly tell you in person, quote unquote that, um,
Speaker 1: the interval between Haunted Get like there's there's something about
Speaker 1: like Get like that interval is like demonically amazing, like
Speaker 1: something so like powerful and the way that like your
Speaker 1: voice goes from that note to the other note and
Speaker 1: it immediately like lights up my fucking yeah into the chorus,
Speaker 1: it explodes you into the course. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just I remember, and this is not not not
Speaker 1: to bring the mood down, but I remember Election day.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, here we go, today's the day.
Speaker 1: And I was blasting hero and specifically eighties Mercedes. I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, like let's like get pumped blasting
Speaker 1: eighties Mercedes. And then of course the night turned out
Speaker 1: the way it did. But I was just like, I
Speaker 1: remember one of the memories I have of that night
Speaker 1: is blasting eighties Mercedes on my way to like watch
Speaker 1: the returns come in, and then um, it's it's an
Speaker 1: emotional I have an emotional tie to that song in
Speaker 1: a way that is very specific to me, and I
Speaker 1: will always it started and then lost to the second second. Okay,
Speaker 1: wait quickly before I asked you about housewives and then
Speaker 1: we do I don't think so honey, Oh my god, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: second wind you right? And this is like when you
Speaker 1: were like songwriting pretty much down and then Kelly Clarkson
Speaker 1: wants it. How the fund do you feel at that point? Oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was just clawing at the bit
Speaker 1: to get anybody to record my songs. So when they
Speaker 1: said that Kelly had even heard it, had reached her
Speaker 1: ear drums, I was like, that was so rare for
Speaker 1: a Nashville songwriter to gonna have a pop star hearing
Speaker 1: nobody's songs. And uh, I mean even even and I
Speaker 1: love her even though it ended up as a bonus track,
Speaker 1: I will forever get to say that she recorded my
Speaker 1: song and then like I've met her since and she
Speaker 1: has said like she has. I love her and I
Speaker 1: want to go on her show and I want us
Speaker 1: to like sing Second Win together. Oh you really? That
Speaker 1: would be really good. Yeah, she's she's amazing and she's
Speaker 1: another like Texas Homesound queen of mine. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean no, I was just floored. And the thing about
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson is you know she's not going to suck
Speaker 1: it up. She's gonna elevate it. There's some I will say,
Speaker 1: she's did that piece by piece for remix album, and
Speaker 1: I think the Second Win it's a cheek codes remix.
Speaker 1: Have you heard it? I probably have at one point,
Speaker 1: but not a few years. Give it, give it another
Speaker 1: encounts her Okay, but it's it's it's a solid I
Speaker 1: think it's the best red its on that sort of release.
Speaker 1: But it's like that's when I knew. I was. That's
Speaker 1: that's why the middle didn't surprise me, not because I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this works like the songwriting here, the
Speaker 1: melodies here work perfectually with like an electro pop song.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm gonna go listen to it
Speaker 1: after this, I need to refresh. Okay, it's all it's
Speaker 1: excellent anyway, Wait, but you were saying Real Housewives because
Speaker 1: I was just listening to your garcell episode, who I loved.
Speaker 1: So I was asked to guest host Jimmy Kimmel last
Speaker 1: summer also love. Yeah, okay, but garcel was unavailable that
Speaker 1: day and we were I didn't realize like with those
Speaker 1: late night shows, they book people up to sometimes the
Speaker 1: day and like Kyle Kyle was unavailable, Garcella was unavailable.
Speaker 1: They were all out of town, and I was like,
Speaker 1: Sutton better be available because you didn't want to have
Speaker 1: Erica come in there. No, and I have so many
Speaker 1: I have so many Housewives stories and I've been on
Speaker 1: like Watch What Happens Live, which also you did an
Speaker 1: amazing job, Matt. We haven't talked about this. Matt was
Speaker 1: so that was like pinnacle right there that it was
Speaker 1: the peak. And I was on with um Karen Huger,
Speaker 1: which was like iconic for me, and she's so nice.
Speaker 1: And speaking of tall guys, I met Andy Cohen and
Speaker 1: he goes, you're so tall. He didn't realize how I
Speaker 1: was going to be tall. I was. I was like,
Speaker 1: did you think I was going to be a twink?
Speaker 1: And he just gave me a hug. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but no, I and you always it's so
Speaker 1: lucky when you get on with someone that you actually
Speaker 1: want to talk to. Who did you? Who are you
Speaker 1: on with? So I've done it a handful of times.
Speaker 1: The second time was Zoom and that was with three
Speaker 1: and she was lovely. The first time was with was
Speaker 1: in person and this was when my Girl album came out.
Speaker 1: But that was with Teddy and I need to get
Speaker 1: on there. But I met Kyle and her whole family.
Speaker 1: They came to my show and Aspen last ball at
Speaker 1: this and she's like, so she's as short as me,
Speaker 1: She's like five one. I feel like, so beautiful and
Speaker 1: her whole family. Like meeting Mauricio after ten years of
Speaker 1: watching this man on this show, I was just living
Speaker 1: and my whole band they were like my guitar player
Speaker 1: was talking to Mauricio and he was like talking about
Speaker 1: real estate and has no idea who Mauricio is. God,
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, that guy is so nice.
Speaker 1: I was just asking him like does he ever sell
Speaker 1: houses in Nashville? And I was like it was like Ben,
Speaker 1: He's he's like a multimillionaire, Like he doesn't do real estate,
Speaker 1: like he owns a huge real estate like multi really
Speaker 1: like multi continental firm. Like he literally thought he just
Speaker 1: sold houses. He was like, he sells like mansions and hotels.
Speaker 1: But anyhow, I'm playing stage Coach next week in Palm Springs,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hang out at Kyle's house the night before.
Speaker 1: Maybe we need like a like a recap episode of
Speaker 1: Lost Culture Rista's where I tell you that we actually,
Speaker 1: I literally I need you might need to come back
Speaker 1: and tell you're playing Stagecoach. Wait is and what date?
Speaker 1: What dates? Is that in Palm Springs? So not this Friday,
Speaker 1: but next Friday. My friend a Sports is like a
Speaker 1: huge country fan, huge fan of yours, and he would die.
Speaker 1: I might have to say we might we might have
Speaker 1: to go out there, tell him to go. It's where
Speaker 1: Coachella is. It's the same grounds, but it's the week
Speaker 1: after Coachella, so we get all the dust. Oh my god, obsessed?
Speaker 1: So wait, what what do you what do you think
Speaker 1: of the trailer for Beverly Hills. I mean it looks insane,
Speaker 1: like I just and I get so invested and I
Speaker 1: don't know how much of it is real. But just
Speaker 1: after talking to Kyle at the Aspen thing. It was
Speaker 1: like the week they were shooting the reunion, like she
Speaker 1: hadn't shot it yet, and I was so floored that
Speaker 1: she is willing to talk to me about any of
Speaker 1: this stuff for like forty minutes, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what Erica, Like, what is she going to do? And
Speaker 1: I was so I was like three glasses of rose
Speaker 1: and talking to Kyle after my show, and I was like, honestly,
Speaker 1: maybe Erica should do like a charity show in l
Speaker 1: A where she just brings all of her clothing and
Speaker 1: just auctions it off and uses that money to give
Speaker 1: to the victims. She just doesn't want to do like that.
Speaker 1: Kyle was like, that has never occurred to anybody, how her,
Speaker 1: because the ethos she's like putting out there is that
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know if it's editing in the trailer,
Speaker 1: but it's like I don't give a funk about anyone
Speaker 1: but me, Like I think that like sums it up.
Speaker 1: I think she's being herself totally, but like, like that's
Speaker 1: that that there's a darkness there if we can all agree, like,
Speaker 1: oh you really, And she's like Matt and I have said,
Speaker 1: like she's just committed to I'm sorry, like she's committed
Speaker 1: to Monster, you know, like that Sulla super villain, the
Speaker 1: Marvel the like origin story that we're getting for for Erica.
Speaker 1: Marvel could never like like like whatever's happening with Scarlett
Speaker 1: Witch and Marvel with Elizabeth Olsen, it's not even touching
Speaker 1: what is going on with Like we're going to be
Speaker 1: running in the streets from Erica. Jane's suitting lasers out
Speaker 1: of her eyes in l A I can I can
Speaker 1: feel it. It's like she is she is getting to
Speaker 1: the point where she because even the games, even the
Speaker 1: Gates have like thrown her Army of Gaze have like
Speaker 1: thrown down their weapons. Like there no one's on board
Speaker 1: with this anymore except like her and I guess Mikey
Speaker 1: is Mikey even on payroll still who knows? We haven't
Speaker 1: seen in Is it going to be like the Searcy
Speaker 1: thing where it's just like she ends up completely like
Speaker 1: that just everyone's like, oh no, not with that crazy no.
Speaker 1: And then she if if it is Searcy, then she
Speaker 1: she blows up everybody in one place that like the
Speaker 1: trial or whatever. Um. Yes, Sutton realized Sutton realizes the
Speaker 1: doors were all locked. She's not coming, She's got shown up.
Speaker 1: She has no intentions of comn she knows what's going on.
Speaker 1: What other franchises do you watch? Are you like a
Speaker 1: Bravo superfan? Are you Beverly Hills? I mean, I've watched
Speaker 1: New York. I feel like I only have the bandwidth,
Speaker 1: an emotional bandwidth, to deal with Real Housewives at Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: which from season one two now it has consistently been
Speaker 1: great television. Like there's just not a dud. I mean,
Speaker 1: even the ones that weren't that good, we're still really good. Yea.
Speaker 1: Even the Carlton season, it was like, I'll watch it still.
Speaker 1: It was so funny on the reunion when they brought
Speaker 1: up Carlton and Garcela was like, who is Carlton? And yeah,
Speaker 1: my favorite, my favorite line of Carlton's is when Kyle
Speaker 1: gives her like a necklace and she's like, I gave
Speaker 1: you a necklace, Carlton, how can I not like you?
Speaker 1: And she's like it's in water, like she's cleansing the necklace.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Honestly, in many ways, Beverly Hills was
Speaker 1: a song of ice and fire between Kyle and a
Speaker 1: Lisa Vanderpump and I guess sort of fire one over
Speaker 1: Ice there, but now really Erica is representing Ice. What
Speaker 1: what is your read on Renna? Like, what's your type
Speaker 1: of Sean Rena? I mean, I feel like it's got
Speaker 1: to be just her amplifying a personality. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you were yeah, like, I don't know, if you
Speaker 1: were just on your couch watching Netflix and drinking with
Speaker 1: her on a Friday night, she would be giving you
Speaker 1: that oh you're so angry. I don't think that's her.
Speaker 1: I think she would probably be kind of like a
Speaker 1: down home chick. I could just be completely misreading it
Speaker 1: because I've done it's people. But um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like what's y'alls read on her? I haven't met her, right,
Speaker 1: I think Renna has her gears and like she's she's
Speaker 1: got the Housewives gear. She's got like the e red
Speaker 1: carpet gear, like gear TVC. Like she knows how to
Speaker 1: like be her own like variation. Yeah, I mean to
Speaker 1: put food on Ryan's table. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: would do all that. I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: do a diaper endorsement. I think I would just be like,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work out, like we're gonna get divorced.
Speaker 1: I won't, I won't wear the diaper full stop, full stop. No.
Speaker 1: But yes, she really has no shame. I think. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I do did a diaper endorsement recently too.
Speaker 1: Sorry just putting that. That's that's almost like shady a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's almost like stepping on the on the turf.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated. I will say, um, the diaper cartel. I
Speaker 1: do identify in many areas of my life as a
Speaker 1: Wrenna because I can't help myself sometimes. Wouldn't Rena be
Speaker 1: iconic to watch what happens? Because you know she's going
Speaker 1: to start ship right in front of you. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And she's also like kind of even more outrageous on
Speaker 1: watch what Happens Live sometimes than shut glasses and yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's like flipping the camera off. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: like she was starting chaos all over the place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm going down in flames on my
Speaker 1: own terms. Garcella also always starts and watch it Happens live.
Speaker 1: It's like there's always something that pisses someone off about Garcetta,
Speaker 1: like the other day, I forget what it was, but
Speaker 1: of course that was the iconic thing of her saying
Speaker 1: Denise wanted to come back, but someone had to go,
Speaker 1: and then it was a whole thing on the reunion. Yea,
Speaker 1: I fucking love the show. We were in Fire Island
Speaker 1: shooting the movie coming out, and one of my favorite
Speaker 1: days I just texted Bone and all about it was
Speaker 1: we woke up on a when on like a on
Speaker 1: like a weekend, and we just watched the episode would
Speaker 1: where Dorite said I don't understand it in four languages,
Speaker 1: and we're like, this is the best show on TV.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. Oh my god, Oh it's so good.
Speaker 1: All right, well we have to move to I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. This is our one minute segment where
Speaker 1: we you're gonna do great. Well, we rant about something
Speaker 1: in culture and mine actually is sort of on topic. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. That
Speaker 1: it seems like Kathy Hilton is going to be the
Speaker 1: villain of this season. I am not on board. And
Speaker 1: this is so classic because you come on, you're a
Speaker 1: fan favorite and then they try to get you the
Speaker 1: second season it happened. I don't want it to happen
Speaker 1: with Kathy. Now. Are the rumors that Kathy apparently called
Speaker 1: Sutton stracs assistant a fag when he couldn't put a
Speaker 1: bag on an airplane? Asked, is that I do think, so, honey?
Speaker 1: Is it not also a little funny for me, as
Speaker 1: a gay person to think of Kathy Hilton sitting there
Speaker 1: in a corner watching a little gay trying to get
Speaker 1: bag on to plan them and saying fag. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. I think that's kind of funny. You
Speaker 1: want to see it? Um, This is the problem when
Speaker 1: you tell people like Kathy Hilton that they can say fag,
Speaker 1: they might. I'm so honey that we won't be able
Speaker 1: to enjoy Kathy anymore, the hunky dory of it all,
Speaker 1: the portable fan of it all. I kind of want
Speaker 1: Kathy to just be what Cathy is. And I don't think, so, honey,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a tough reunion for her, which
Speaker 1: Garcela said on Watch What Happens Live. I don't think, so, honey,
Speaker 1: that we can't just enjoy Kathy. Please. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: Honey us chasing Kathee away like Kathy Kathley Hope, Kyle
Speaker 1: and her are okay, I don't think that's one minute
Speaker 1: god and agreed, I'll count. There's something about a woman
Speaker 1: that gay people love staying fag on a plane that
Speaker 1: just kind of is like, it's okay, Banks did it,
Speaker 1: you did it today? It was it was on a plane,
Speaker 1: but Baron did it, and we and and she is allowed,
Speaker 1: you asked for and you're reference you are referencing a
Speaker 1: published work quote I was quoting quotations. Yeah, and happy
Speaker 1: Hilton doing it. But I don't think that's the that's
Speaker 1: the villain narrative for her completely, her being locked out
Speaker 1: of that store to make me pee my pants laughing.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Just the richest woman in the world,
Speaker 1: like pulling a door and Erica jambiond like, don't get
Speaker 1: don't open that really good. I want her to stay pure,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if she will. Apparently it's bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean she's untouchable, like she's like,
Speaker 1: oh what, you don't want me on Real Housewives anymore?
Speaker 1: Peace the funk out? Then yeah, I gotta go back
Speaker 1: to my fucking hotel that I own. All right, bow
Speaker 1: and Yang, do you have a topic, sweet deer? I
Speaker 1: think so. I could I could do another, I could
Speaker 1: do have every one, or I could do something else.
Speaker 1: But what do you think? I think you should do
Speaker 1: whatever your heart desires. I'm gonna do a Beverly Hills one,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be a little bit of a
Speaker 1: of a downer al right, oh yeah, and then and
Speaker 1: then mine will be kind of like in the middle
Speaker 1: of the great perfectly okay, perfect I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: This time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Crystal
Speaker 1: Kung Minkoff coming off as like a full SOB story
Speaker 1: and the trailer for this season. I need her to
Speaker 1: go back to the way she was beginning of season
Speaker 1: what was it twelve eleven last season, where she was
Speaker 1: like fully in Sutton's ship, like making her have a
Speaker 1: mental breakdown every episode. Like I need that Crystal to
Speaker 1: come back, Like the eating disorder thing is really, really,
Speaker 1: really vulnerable, and it's really amazing that she like wants
Speaker 1: to open up about that. But I need Crystal to
Speaker 1: be mean and I'm sorry to say this word, but
Speaker 1: bitchy again, that's what that is so powerful for her
Speaker 1: as this like wealthy Asian woman to project on the TV.
Speaker 1: Like in a way that's different from like Dragon Lady.
Speaker 1: It's different from Tiger Mom. It's differ from crazy rich Asians.
Speaker 1: It's a new ti of Asian woman that we have
Speaker 1: not seen in the media, like bitchy Asian lady who
Speaker 1: can like tear down a white woman at a fucking
Speaker 1: backyard dinner party situation. I need her to wear allegedly
Speaker 1: ugly leather pants and make a Southern woman lose her mind.
Speaker 1: And that's fine a minute. What we need is iconic
Speaker 1: rich Disney wife. Yes, that's all I need. That's all
Speaker 1: I want from Crystal. I mean she can be of course,
Speaker 1: she is this multidimensional woman who like has her struggles,
Speaker 1: and it will be very important for her to talk
Speaker 1: about this. Um. It seems like it's really going to
Speaker 1: be sad though, like she's she's she's really struggling with that,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's tough. It's happening on Jersey
Speaker 1: right now with Jackie Goldschneider and what what I'm really
Speaker 1: appreciating it about. It is such a vulnerable thing to
Speaker 1: talk about and Crystal. I think I almost think Crystal
Speaker 1: couldn't come back unless she talked about it. And I
Speaker 1: think the good thing about when they do bring this
Speaker 1: onto the show is that they're making a public and
Speaker 1: concerted effort to get better. And that's that's that's I
Speaker 1: So I'm in full support of it because I think
Speaker 1: even if it's not like you know, iconic, like so
Speaker 1: woman like, it is like something that's her real life
Speaker 1: and all I want, all I want is for her
Speaker 1: to you know, feel good about herself because she's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I love Crystal completely agree. She's been so vulnerable about
Speaker 1: it and open about it on like podcasts and interviews,
Speaker 1: and I think this I hope this is another piece
Speaker 1: of that. Um. I just hope we get uh some
Speaker 1: air time with her being like, you know, the Crystal
Speaker 1: that like I fell in love with. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to dictate or predicate the version of herself she
Speaker 1: should be on TV. I just hope that we don't
Speaker 1: lose some of that. What are your Crystal thoughts, Maren?
Speaker 1: I really liked her and I feel like in that
Speaker 1: season where she's introduced and she's talking to Sutton and
Speaker 1: you kind of like I think of Sutton as the
Speaker 1: villain when she's like, oh are you that role like that?
Speaker 1: I don't see colored girl, and she like clocks her
Speaker 1: and she gets so defensive. No, I'm not talking about this,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about this. I was like, yeah, Crystals
Speaker 1: Heller because like so many white women, they needed to
Speaker 1: hear that that year of all years especially, so I
Speaker 1: was just like hell yes, and Heiress to Lion King like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what could come. Um, So I'm hoping that,
Speaker 1: like with editing, they're just trying to make the trailer
Speaker 1: look really MOPy, but I think that it's actually going
Speaker 1: to be a lot lighter when it actually comes out.
Speaker 1: So that was my thoughts. There was also that scene
Speaker 1: where like Erica with just Rna and Crystal, where they're
Speaker 1: clearly at someone's home and they're dressed to the nines
Speaker 1: and Crystal says to Erica, is it that bad? And
Speaker 1: Enda goes, yes, there's there's no house. She nails her line,
Speaker 1: She really does her line. So Angry Culture Finale Um
Speaker 1: Last Culturally, Last episode of Last Culture says every whenever
Speaker 1: it happens, it's not us. You're gonna win a Peabody finally,
Speaker 1: um okay, Marion Morris, are you ready for Honey? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so, this iconic moment in history. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is Marion Morris's I don't think so honey, or time
Speaker 1: starts now, Okay, I don't think so honey. Music trends
Speaker 1: on TikTok, and I don't care if I come across
Speaker 1: as a jaded, neo luddite boomer with this perspective, but
Speaker 1: as someone that likes TikTok and we'll continue to use
Speaker 1: it after this read. I cannot deal with the laziness
Speaker 1: of music label old guys thinking in the last two years,
Speaker 1: I'm not having to put any money into creativity, into
Speaker 1: music videos, into a ward show, into touring. They think
Speaker 1: the only way they can make money is off of
Speaker 1: a TikTok trend through music and a twelve year old
Speaker 1: making up a dance with only their upper body and
Speaker 1: it has no swag. Cannot imagine my own songs popping
Speaker 1: to that. And I love TikTok, but it is such
Speaker 1: a lazy way of old guys in suits to make
Speaker 1: creatives feel like they're only contest creators and I just
Speaker 1: can't And I think that like label guys to TikTok
Speaker 1: music trends is like Gretchen Wieners to fetch, Like it's
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Wow, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: saying this. And this is the crazy, this is the
Speaker 1: most This is the craziest example I can think of
Speaker 1: is Matt did you clock the Demi? Lavada released a
Speaker 1: Cool for the Summer sped up version because the song
Speaker 1: has been trunning on TikTok. People are doing their little dances. Great,
Speaker 1: we love it. But then they released a sped up
Speaker 1: version of Cool for the Summer, a song that is
Speaker 1: like at this point six years old, like a sped
Speaker 1: up version just like get streaming dollars, chasing it down,
Speaker 1: chasing it down. But it's like this is so fucking transparent,
Speaker 1: Like it's just for the techtok dance of it. All
Speaker 1: that all people are doing on the TikTok app is
Speaker 1: just speeding speeding up the sound like double speed or
Speaker 1: pitching it up. It's like, which is great, like that
Speaker 1: helps with the dance, but it's like, this is not
Speaker 1: a way for like music suits to like make money.
Speaker 1: It's so stupid. Our engineer, Doug who's worked in the
Speaker 1: music bizin for for years as amen okay. COT engineer
Speaker 1: Doug says, Amen, we love you dog. I mean, there's there's,
Speaker 1: there's a time and a place, but for it to
Speaker 1: only be the way of the future, it's just so soulless.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like it just makes everyone on
Speaker 1: this conveyor belt of like musical fast food, and it
Speaker 1: just kills creativity. And for those who have done well
Speaker 1: with it, I commend you, but it honestly makes me
Speaker 1: hate the song sometimes where I only hear four seconds
Speaker 1: of it and then I'll see that it's like nominated
Speaker 1: for a grea at me and I'll be like, wait,
Speaker 1: this is the part I heard on TikTok and this
Speaker 1: is the whole song. It makes me go out of
Speaker 1: my way to not listen to it. Honestly, it's unnatural.
Speaker 1: It's not like the way that we consume it's and
Speaker 1: even if it's like supposedly the new way we consume
Speaker 1: media now, like like in this at this length, it's
Speaker 1: like it's not how it should be necessarily, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And and also you know, we we talked to artists
Speaker 1: like we had Betty Huan and I talked to um
Speaker 1: someone who's a recording artist. I won't name him, but
Speaker 1: like he was saying that his label was like you
Speaker 1: have to have a TikTok hit and a huge TikTok presence,
Speaker 1: or like we won't push the music we Slian Michaels
Speaker 1: has talked about that. Jillian Michaels, who has written like
Speaker 1: one of the like some of the biggest pop songs
Speaker 1: of the last decade, has said her own label, like
Speaker 1: she put this on Twitter a few months ago where
Speaker 1: she was like, if it doesn't go viral immediately on TikTok,
Speaker 1: they just don't promote it, and it just sucks because
Speaker 1: it's like not everyone is treated that way, but it's
Speaker 1: becoming like such a like store business where that's there's
Speaker 1: no creative like everything is just sort of put on
Speaker 1: the same chopping block, like this artist. And you even
Speaker 1: see like Florence in the Machine unwillingly but begrudgingly doing
Speaker 1: TikTok's because she'll say, my label is making me do this,
Speaker 1: and all she does is seing like acapella and her
Speaker 1: fans love it so like it's totally in its own way,
Speaker 1: poking fun at it and it's pure, but it's still
Speaker 1: like her being Florence and but yeah, she's like my
Speaker 1: labels making me do this. It's just like I love
Speaker 1: I love like the artists that are at least like
Speaker 1: reclaiming ownership over their own like platform of art. And
Speaker 1: it's not just being this very see through marketing tool.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't be putting that position in the first place,
Speaker 1: where like you are really pushing all of your creative
Speaker 1: instincts into like a mold that is like the size
Speaker 1: of a fucking like pinhole. You know. It's like, how
Speaker 1: are you gonna, like, right, how is that the objective
Speaker 1: to like write a song that like we'll fit into
Speaker 1: like a four second little dance? Anyway, when, um, when
Speaker 1: are your next shows in l A and New York?
Speaker 1: Because we want to come see you. So I'm doing
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl. I've never done the Bowl? What the hell?
Speaker 1: Um wait, I'm looking it up. It's that you don't know, Actually, no,
Speaker 1: it is. Well, I was trying to actually do two
Speaker 1: dates at the Greek because I just se x at
Speaker 1: the Greek. She put on an amazing show. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so jealous. I actually saw it on TikTok Um. I
Speaker 1: saw Casey at the Greek right before the pandemic. I
Speaker 1: saw Maggie Rogers. The Greek is insane. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't because of COVID and all the backed up tours
Speaker 1: that are getting rescheduled. I couldn't get too consecutive nights.
Speaker 1: So I was like, let's just do the Bowl. So
Speaker 1: we're doing the Bowl October, end of July. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing that July twenty night. Okay, we're gonna come
Speaker 1: to both. I'm gonna go to New York and go
Speaker 1: to that, and then Bone's gonna come to a must
Speaker 1: go on us to be on Saturday Night Live that night,
Speaker 1: not end of July. Oh no, and on October. No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Lauren, I gotta go. Um, this was
Speaker 1: so fun to get to talk to you and meet
Speaker 1: you in person on Zoom et cetera. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But your album is so great, I mean, and like,
Speaker 1: especially at a time when they're pushing like you know,
Speaker 1: the TikTok bullshit. Thanks for making like such an capital
Speaker 1: a album and you're just the best. Thank you. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: um you guys, like whatever you need, Like I want
Speaker 1: to meet you at these shows or let's meet up
Speaker 1: in the same city. But please come back and say hello,
Speaker 1: don't have us it's it's I mean, we we admired
Speaker 1: respectfully at the Bowery Ballroom. I'll take anything I can get,
Speaker 1: if it's just a little wave or anything. We love
Speaker 1: you so much, Mare, and truly this is so so special.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, Thank you for having me. I'm
Speaker 1: always going to check my DM s. Now, there you go,
Speaker 1: I got it. You gotta be checking the d ms.
Speaker 1: And that's actually for everyone out there. You have to
Speaker 1: check the dm We end every episode with a song
Speaker 1: and by when you know the one it's going to be.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious to know what keys we both choose. No,
Speaker 1: it's not, it's it's one of yours. I feel like
Speaker 1: a hot And to hear the rest of that you
Speaker 1: have to listen to Hero but stream Humble Crest. Bye
Speaker 1: bye