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Speaker 1: it's just us for the rest of this life. And

429
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: I just decided to spin it into a love song

430
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: with background music because I was like, I don't care.

431
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: I don't care if you get another number one song,

432
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 1: or you get this nomination or I get to go

433
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: do this or what have you. It's like, I just

434
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: don't think it adds any more specialness or value to

435
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: our relationships as you know, friends, and we don't have

436
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: a son now, it's like it just doesn't it's not

437
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: as valuable to put our worth and things like that.

438
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: But we do love to joke like, oh yeah, when

439
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm like playing in the casinos and I'm ninety years

440
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: old and you have to like wheel me off stage

441
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: because I'm never going to retire like someday, like that

442
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: might actually be a very real concept. And then even

443
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: further than that, when we're both dead, like will these

444
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: songs still be played? Like maybe that's our legacy is

445
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: not like our memories or even our kids kids. It's

446
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: like the work that we put in. Was it was

447
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: it special? Was it timeless? Will it be played in

448
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: a hundred years if you just don't know? It's so

449
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: specific and special and just the line not everybody gets

450
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: to leave a souvenir like it's it's like acknowledging each

451
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: other and like what you guys get to do together,

452
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: And it's really it's specific to you guys, but it's

453
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: it's like romantic and evocative for everyone. And when I

454
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: heard that song, I remember it came out before the album,

455
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: and I just played it again and again because I

456
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, I've always been like such an

457
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: admirer of your writing, but this was just like it

458
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: was it was. It's so great. It really it really

459
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: it really moves me. Thank you. Yeah, I love it

460
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: for this thing just another just like sweet like and whatever.

461
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: This is my like literal read on it. It's like

462
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: about distance and um and yet still feeling this like closeness,

463
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: this proximity in spite of that, Like I don't know

464
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: these are I I can't think of a lot of

465
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: other songs that like touch on these things in the

466
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: same like poetic sense that you kind of get to

467
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: voke out of them like it's really, I just it's

468
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: such a great album and like we're I think I

469
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: think we're just like gonna keep fawning over your for

470
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, but like it's just so good.

471
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: Well rate hit rate with exposing Marion Morris to people

472
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: is like a hundreds always. Jill Kim Booster is a

473
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: very close friend of ours. He's a comedian and we

474
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: were playing um we were driving back from Palm Springs

475
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: and I played him hero and he by the end

476
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: was a stand like and our friend, our friend Sudi

477
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: just reached out to us and was to texting me.

478
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I love Marion Morris. I was like,

479
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: where have you been? And then I realized, like, you know,

480
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. I feel like as more

481
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: people hear it, and already so many have. Obviously that

482
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: thing that you said is going to be true with

483
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: that music last because it well, thank you. I I'm

484
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: always and it's not false humility, I think because country

485
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: music in so many ways, and you know, I've been

486
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: able to tour, you know, all over the States, all

487
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: over the world, South America, Europe, what have you been

488
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways country music is still very

489
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: niche to people. So it doesn't shock me that you're

490
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: saying that someone was like probably not going to listen

491
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: to this on their own accord. You had to be

492
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: the one to tell them no, actually go check it out.

493
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: And then they do. And it's like, I, you know,

494
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: having done songs like the Middle and you know, been

495
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: in the High Women, and you know, just having you know,

496
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: my own solo success, I feel like just my music

497
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: has always been genre lists, even though I do think

498
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: it sits in country music comfortably. I think that I'm

499
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: happy to be the gateway drop for anyone that would

500
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: turn their nose up at country music to be like,

501
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: wait a second, actually might might like this. It's such

502
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: a huge compliment because it transcends genre lines in such

503
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: a powerful way, which it should. Yeah, And another thing

504
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: about you, which I think is really really cool and

505
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: really important is you are sort of like a huge

506
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: voice for gender and racial equity in country music and

507
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: at large, like and I just think that like you

508
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: stepping out especially like sort of as you know, I

509
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: think probably one of the music women in country music

510
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: that gets played on the radio the most. And I

511
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: know I've heard a lot of people speaking out about

512
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: like you need to play women on country music like etcetera.

513
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: And you are played and for you to be like

514
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: people need to be listening to Mickey Guyton, like people

515
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: need to be listening to all these people. And then

516
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: to see her embrace like I was bummed to see

517
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: her lose the Grammy a couple of weeks ago, but like,

518
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's just really cool to see and I

519
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: think that's it's it's important. And I wonder that must

520
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: have been, Like maybe it wasn't difficult for you to

521
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: come out and say that. Well, I don't. I don't

522
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: know if everyone This is a very hard industry, and

523
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: I feel like the music business is a lot of

524
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: times more business than music, and not everyone gets to

525
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: sign up for this and say I'm going to also

526
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: be this activist. But I don't think it's activism. I

527
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: think it's even if you are played and you're one

528
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: of the few that got chosen to be played on

529
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: the radio, like sticking your neck out and not counting

530
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: your dollars is how I'd like to go out, Like

531
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I don't. It's so it's

532
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: so finite, isn't it, Like you don't know how much

533
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: time you get here. You don't know. We call it

534
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 1: like a ten year town. Maybe I get like a

535
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: ten year run of doing this, who knows. But I'm

536
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: gonna pretend like this could all be burnt to the

537
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: ground in a year, and maybe I'll be the one

538
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: with the matches. But I feel like it's just so

539
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: stupid to like keep your mouth out about things that

540
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: just visibly make you uncomfortable, like physically make you ill,

541
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: just like say something. So it's my job as the

542
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: person with the platform to be like, I have to

543
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: make this a safer environment for everybody, like not just women,

544
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: like people of color, LGBTQ, like all all perspectives to

545
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: feel like they can be housed here and be safe

546
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: for two hours. That's like, that's just like push pull

547
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: of like being specifically. I'm sure you write songs in

548
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: a way that is meant to relate to other people's experiences,

549
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: but then it's also it should be personal. It has

550
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: to be personal. Um, And this is just something that

551
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of artists do. But I think especially in

552
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: country where you kind of it seems for whatever reason

553
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: more conscious that you go. Let me really like put

554
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: a mold on like how I want um my music

555
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: to be received. Let me really be specific, and yet

556
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: so on some level universal with so many things, I

557
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I always always not to generalize,

558
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: but I always end up liking country musicians in the

559
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: way that they work because because because there is this

560
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: like super structure for better for worse in terms of

561
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: like how country music is run, in terms of like

562
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: the songwriting, and in terms of like who gets you know,

563
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: paired together or whatever. You know, I feel like there's

564
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: something nice about that, and yet there's also something that

565
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: you kind of have to destabilized just a little bit

566
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: in order to make it feel like fresh and new

567
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: or different. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, I know totally.

568
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: And I was just thinking, like in my genre that

569
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: I am at home in, I look at, you know,

570
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of already beating the odds to to get

571
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: any radio play or anything. Is always kind of attached

572
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: to me also being a female, like oh, she broke

573
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: this record, but she's only female to have done it,

574
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: like she's not in the the echelon the boys. But

575
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: but then I look at like the things that I

576
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: get to do because I have made my way of

577
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: thinking known. It's like like doing The High Woman, like

578
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: being one of the few like country Bumpkins that gets

579
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: to do SNL as a remusical guest, Like that was

580
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: such a moment, Like working with like John Mayer and

581
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Elton John and like Taylor and like just all of

582
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: the things I've gotten to do Z Like it's it's

583
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: just been crazy, like the things that I get asked

584
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: to be a part of, not just because like I'm

585
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: country as a genre of it, because like maybe they

586
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: heard a song of mine or my album, but they

587
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: also like saw me give an interview and Playboy. There's

588
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: just these things that are kind of outside of the

589
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: scope that you know, I've taken risks on and even

590
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: like doing not that this is but like but even

591
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: getting asked to do this and like this and why

592
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: would you want to It's like such an amazing like

593
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: y'all's conversations on here so elevated and so funny. And

594
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: I had so many people reach out to me when

595
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: you guys like I saw your DM Matt, but it

596
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: was but I think it was before the episode aired, maybe,

597
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: but I had so many people like the night my

598
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: album came out or maybe was the next night saying

599
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: last cultureristas they talk about constructing their d M to

600
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I immediately responded, But the

601
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: thing is, like, I don't know. I I think especially

602
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: at the time when you when you did d M

603
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: ME after the Taylor thing, I was like, I literally

604
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: was shook because you you really were in my like

605
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: top rotation, like ever since I found you, Like you

606
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: really are one of my favorites. And then I told everybody,

607
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: and then what the second everyone listened to your album,

608
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: like all my friends wanted to go to your show,

609
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: and then we did and had the best time, and

610
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: we're bigger fans Ben, So just know that, like you've

611
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: impacted us immeasurably in terms of us enjoying your music

612
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: and like what you do and how you do it.

613
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: So I just can't say enough. We want to ask

614
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: you the question, Isn't that right, bo, It's that's a question, Okay,

615
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: We want to ask it, Marin, What is the culture

616
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: that made you say culture is for me? This is

617
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: a formative piece of pop culture. It could be a movie,

618
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: a TV show, an album, or it could be like

619
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: the town you grew up in. It could be like

620
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: the school you went to it can be. It's a

621
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: pretty broad with broad answers. It's it's yeah, it's really okay.

622
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: There's a few, but I feel like, Um, the movie

623
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: Steel Magnolia's was the movie because my mom's a hairdresser,

624
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: and oh my god, so I grew I basically like

625
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: my sister and I. We grew up in hersal on

626
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: and we would get to like style the mannequin heads,

627
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: and you know, that was my first real job, was

628
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: like being a receptionist for her salon. But um, watching

629
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: the movie Steel Magnolia's as a kid, I only knew

630
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton as Truvy. I didn't know she was Dolly Parton,

631
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: the country music star. I just thought she was an actress.

632
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: And then through a movie about southern hair and diabetes, Um,

633
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: I found Dolly Parton and her golden light of songwriting

634
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: and feminism and just all the things that she has

635
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: done over the last thirty forty years. Um, writing the

636
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: most beautiful songs in history, but also such a diversified

637
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: human like she has, she has a theme park. What

638
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: else can say that? No? What? So I just was

639
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: I think that was what made me think, Okay, how

640
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: country music is fucking cool. Yeah, if they have her

641
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: at the at the Helm. And then also, not that

642
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: I've done any movies or anything like that, but I

643
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: was like, she got so much ship in the seventies

644
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: for going pop, crossing it over. Yes. Yeah, And there's

645
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: this amazing, very passive aggressive interview with Barbara Walters that's

646
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: iconic with Dolly. Barbara Walters did passive aggressive like no

647
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: one else sexually. A culture number hundred three? Is that

648
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: to the interview you're talking about, Dolly's clearly like a

649
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: little uncomfortable, a little annoyed throughout the whole thing. It's

650
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: kind of like it's so poised, so poised, sweetly laughing

651
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: off like all these condescending fucking questions. And then and

652
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: that was what was the answer that you were going

653
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: to talk about? Well, I mean I can't remember specifically

654
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: what Barbara asks her, but it was just like talking

655
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: bringing country to like a like a wider audience basically, right. Yeah,

656
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: She's like, what do you think about like the people

657
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: the ends of your own genre that you know made

658
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: you like, are you biting the hand that feeds you

659
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: by going pop? And she was like, I'm always going

660
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: to be country music. Dolly is country, but I want

661
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: to bring Dolly to the world. And I was just floored.

662
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: And I still go back and watch that every few

663
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: months because I feel like, in my own way and

664
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: not in any way, shape or form, comparing myself to Dolly,

665
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: but having you know, worked with her and also just

666
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: come up in this genre and have done many different

667
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: kinds of projects over the years. I just always think about,

668
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to bring me to the world, like

669
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not beholden to I'm not going to

670
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: be shackled to anything against my will. I'm gonna stay

671
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: have a foot here because I love it and I

672
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: respect it and it made me the songwriter I am today.

673
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm not going to be beholden to it,

674
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: like it's only going to cap my creativity, my my honesty,

675
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: my worth, And so yeah, I think that's what like

676
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: that movie. Weirdly still, Magnolia has made me just I mean,

677
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: for its iconic for hundreds of reasons and Shirley McClean

678
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: olympiadaccus alone I but yeah, it kind of opened me

679
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: up to country music in a way that I I

680
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: didn't find it just through music. I found it through

681
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: this this film from the eighties. Yeah, it's really really iconic.

682
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: A drink your due Shelby of course, a line for

683
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: the history of time. It's just so funny you say this.

684
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: I watched nine to five on the plane last night.

685
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh this was meant to be. I had never seen

686
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: it before. But I do this other podcast for HBO

687
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: Max and we have we're talking about nine to five

688
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: and I had never seen it, and I watched it

689
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: and she really is like she's great on screen. Oh yeah,

690
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: I And the my favorite thing and it's so her

691
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: is the way that she wrote the song nine to

692
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: five for that film, And I can't believe it didn't

693
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: win the Oscar Like that song not win, but it

694
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: was nominated. But the reason I don't know if it

695
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: was like the typewriter or it was like her acrylic nails.

696
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: She was like doing this one day in her trailer

697
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: where she was like and still with the kitten, and

698
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: like she did it with her freaking fake nails. Wrote

699
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: a song that's so so legendary. Is there is there

700
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: like a legend that like, um, I think when they

701
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: were when they were bringing into Broadway or something, she

702
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: like went to New York flew to New York. I

703
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: thought that she had to like righte the entire show

704
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: and present the entire show, like all the songs in

705
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: the show to the producers the next day. So she

706
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: stayed up and wrote basically the entire show for the

707
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: musical version of Mind to Five, and then showed up

708
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: the next day and like the producers were like floor

709
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: that she brought like a completed score, a full score,

710
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: all the songs, all the written, all the lyrics basically

711
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: written out in the music arranged, and they're like, you

712
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: didn't have to do all that, like from the jump,

713
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, like that's just Dolly. Even the film nine

714
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: to five she says, like in one of her interviews

715
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: that's older. She talks about showing up day one on

716
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: set with like Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin. She had never

717
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: been in a film before, so Dolly thought it was

718
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: customary to just learn the entire script, not just her lines.

719
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: She literally knew every person in the film's lines, including

720
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: her own, and they were like, oh no, no, you

721
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: just need to know yours for just in case if

722
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: someone needs help. One very harassment, Yeah it does. Yeah,

723
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: just overachiever, Like there's something like I have to go

724
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: back to this all the time, like it's about the

725
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: work and not to be like not not even like

726
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: a capitalist sense, but in the sense of like you

727
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: should be you should like there should be a relationship

728
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: with the work that you feel like you're enjoying it,

729
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: that there's like a craftsmanship in it, you know that,

730
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: like you're getting in there and like getting your hands dirty.

731
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure you relate to this on some level with songwriting.

732
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Matt, I relate to this in terms of

733
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: like writing like anything MENI or anything um in that vein.

734
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: But it's like Dolly always reminds me of that. Always

735
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: It's always Dolly. Then I'm like in a field that

736
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with in music, but I

737
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: can look to and go wow, that is like aspirational

738
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: in so many ways. Yeah, what was the experience of

739
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: meeting her, Like, I'm sure she adores you, like and

740
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: what's what's your what's the relationship there? And what was

741
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: it like meeting her? I mean, I will say she

742
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: was extremely punctual, like she was always on time. So

743
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: the High Women. The High Woman and I were playing

744
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: Newport Folk Festival in twenty nineteen, and the High Women

745
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: are myself, Brandy Carlyle, Natalie Hemby and Amanda Shires. And

746
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: I had never played Newport Folk Festival. But it's like

747
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: this legendary folk festival where you know, Bob Dylan went

748
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: electric and you know, Chris Christofferson and Johnny Cash met backstage.

749
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: It's just and Joni Mitchell played, and James Taylor. It's

750
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: just like a really iconic festival. And Dolly, in all

751
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: of her decades of just being an icon, had never

752
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: played it. And so a surprise, the High Women were

753
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: going to be closing out the festival. And it's sunset

754
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: on Sunday, last day the festival. You're overlooking like the

755
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: harbor and we get to introduce Dolly and the place

756
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: just went ape shit. I mean, she came out in

757
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: this yellow of course, it's like archival umnody suit that

758
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: has like wagon wheels all over it. I think from

759
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: her days of working with like Porter Wagner. And she's

760
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: so tiny, but we had done rehearsals with her in

761
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: Nashville the week prior, so just like it still gives

762
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: me chills, but we were working and rehearsing with her

763
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: at our Cia Studios um in studio A that room

764
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: and it's the big room, and that's where she recorded

765
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: I Will Always Love You and Joelene. And I don't

766
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: think if I recall what she said, she said she

767
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: had not been back in that room since she recorded

768
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: those songs, So like rehearsing with her in that room

769
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: was just I mean, it could all in tomorrow and

770
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: I'll be able to say that I was in the

771
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: room with her that day. But she's just so lovely

772
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: she I mean, she definitely like like the swear word

773
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: I love. I love when I find out that someone

774
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: is a secret it. Yeah, I mean she she's just

775
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: such a like I don't know, but it's one of

776
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: those people, whether they truly remember you or not, they

777
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: made you feel like they did. And so I don't

778
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: even care to know if she did or not. I

779
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: was like, she makes you feel so special, and she

780
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: lives up to such an impossibly high reputation and expectation

781
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: and she exceeds it. So I just there aren't enough

782
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: glowing things I could say about her, But she's she's

783
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: dolly not to get to like existential, But there is

784
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: something so crazy about like you being in that room

785
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: with her and her having some like hugely impastful effect

786
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: on your life that you would end up in that room.

787
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like kind of thing back looking back,

788
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: like like she's kind of that you know, she's part

789
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: of the reason why you are there with her, that

790
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: she's she's part of the reason why you do what

791
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: you do. Is that fair to say that, like part

792
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: of your artistry as a country musician has is very

793
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: tied to like the way you admired her growing up.

794
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean just I can't step for step

795
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: like model my career after somebody's, but if I had to,

796
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: it would be her. And you know, to this day,

797
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean in such I mean it's still very male dominated,

798
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, Nashville country music, but in a time where

799
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: it was especially taboo to even talk about it, she

800
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: was charming and disarming her way through these like corporate

801
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: suits and making everyone love her. Like I'm sorry, I

802
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: think I have a pretty good sense of humor. I

803
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: cannot be as funny or quick as her. Um, it's

804
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: like it's not it's not my superpower. But yeah, it's

805
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: just crazy to to kind of have all these you know,

806
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: ends tied up for me and like getting that chance

807
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: with her and just I don't know, like for a

808
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: few hours getting to soak her in. It was just

809
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: something that like I don't think you have six year

810
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: old me watching Steeve Magnolias would have ever fathomed, but

811
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: is one for the books. I will say, I am

812
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: excited for your theme park, though, I'm excited for your

813
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: like the bones Hunted house. Like, wait, what was your

814
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: surgery called? It was called me what it was like?

815
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: Maren got to me, that's actually shirt. Actually Maren got

816
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: to me, is but like you could be selling like

817
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: a Cola Cola on a Christmas Day? Wait? Can I

818
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: ask about that? Is that a thing? Is Coca Cola

819
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: on a Christmas Day? A thing? Because I had never

820
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: heard it felt so vivid? Yeah, But one was like, well,

821
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: well no, I remember, like I was. It was Christmas.

822
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: It was Christmas Day, and I think I went to

823
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: Maren's Instagram and she posted a picture like under a

824
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: Christmas tree holding like a green can of coke, which

825
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: was like the sugar real sugar, and she's like a

826
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: Coca Cola on a Christmas Day And I was like, well,

827
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: now I want to fucking Coca Cola. We were influenced.

828
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: I was like, really influenced. I have written so many

829
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: things and songs that I have to like live with You,

830
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: live with the Coca Cola on a Christmas Day. That

831
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: literally was just like me and my co writers trying

832
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: to think of a bunch of alliteration, like I mean,

833
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, oh, you give your on Halloween,

834
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: you give yourself a swirly Like it wasn't like quite

835
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: that intense. But the other one was like eighties Mercedes.

836
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: Everyone asked me like, did you finally go buy one?

837
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I didn't, but I mean

838
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: some day I will. If I end up being like

839
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: rich enough of to be like the j Leno of

840
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: car collectors or Jerry Seinfeld, I'll get one, like a

841
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: nice one that i'll soup up. But totally eighties Mercedes

842
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: is your So Dolly Parton's Dollywood has Thunderhead as like

843
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: an iconic wooden roll cluster, Yours is eighties Mercedes. It's

844
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: very clear you're branding the theme park already. I hope,

845
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're helping me and Arlington. Arlington needs

846
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: a theme park because I don't know how six Flags

847
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: is doing. Oh I don't know how six Flags over

848
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Texas is doing. We need Mary Morris to the theme park. No,

849
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: but I've been to six Flags like all over. I

850
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: was like a roller coaster kid growing up, Like I

851
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: love theme parks, Like it's like very much my thing.

852
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: Are you laughing at me? Drag me? But like I

853
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: just heard, you know, six Flags is not exactly thriving.

854
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, sure, Maren Gottomy, I just have

855
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: to quickly tell you in person, quote unquote that, um,

856
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: the interval between Haunted Get like there's there's something about

857
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: like Get like that interval is like demonically amazing, like

858
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: something so like powerful and the way that like your

859
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: voice goes from that note to the other note and

860
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: it immediately like lights up my fucking yeah into the chorus,

861
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: it explodes you into the course. And I don't know,

862
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: it's just I remember, and this is not not not

863
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: to bring the mood down, but I remember Election day.

864
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, here we go, today's the day.

865
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: And I was blasting hero and specifically eighties Mercedes. I

866
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: was like, all right, like let's like get pumped blasting

867
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: eighties Mercedes. And then of course the night turned out

868
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: the way it did. But I was just like, I

869
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: remember one of the memories I have of that night

870
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: is blasting eighties Mercedes on my way to like watch

871
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: the returns come in, and then um, it's it's an

872
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: emotional I have an emotional tie to that song in

873
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: a way that is very specific to me, and I

874
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: will always it started and then lost to the second second. Okay,

875
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: wait quickly before I asked you about housewives and then

876
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: we do I don't think so honey, Oh my god, yes, okay,

877
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: second wind you right? And this is like when you

878
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: were like songwriting pretty much down and then Kelly Clarkson

879
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: wants it. How the fund do you feel at that point? Oh,

880
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was just clawing at the bit

881
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: to get anybody to record my songs. So when they

882
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: said that Kelly had even heard it, had reached her

883
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: ear drums, I was like, that was so rare for

884
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: a Nashville songwriter to gonna have a pop star hearing

885
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: nobody's songs. And uh, I mean even even and I

886
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: love her even though it ended up as a bonus track,

887
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: I will forever get to say that she recorded my

888
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: song and then like I've met her since and she

889
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: has said like she has. I love her and I

890
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: want to go on her show and I want us

891
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: to like sing Second Win together. Oh you really? That

892
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: would be really good. Yeah, she's she's amazing and she's

893
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: another like Texas Homesound queen of mine. But yeah, I

894
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: mean no, I was just floored. And the thing about

895
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson is you know she's not going to suck

896
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: it up. She's gonna elevate it. There's some I will say,

897
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: she's did that piece by piece for remix album, and

898
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: I think the Second Win it's a cheek codes remix.

899
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: Have you heard it? I probably have at one point,

900
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: but not a few years. Give it, give it another

901
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: encounts her Okay, but it's it's it's a solid I

902
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: think it's the best red its on that sort of release.

903
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: But it's like that's when I knew. I was. That's

904
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: that's why the middle didn't surprise me, not because I

905
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this works like the songwriting here, the

906
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: melodies here work perfectually with like an electro pop song.

907
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm gonna go listen to it

908
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: after this, I need to refresh. Okay, it's all it's

909
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 1: excellent anyway, Wait, but you were saying Real Housewives because

910
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: I was just listening to your garcell episode, who I loved.

911
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: So I was asked to guest host Jimmy Kimmel last

912
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: summer also love. Yeah, okay, but garcel was unavailable that

913
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: day and we were I didn't realize like with those

914
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: late night shows, they book people up to sometimes the

915
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: day and like Kyle Kyle was unavailable, Garcella was unavailable.

916
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: They were all out of town, and I was like,

917
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: Sutton better be available because you didn't want to have

918
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: Erica come in there. No, and I have so many

919
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: I have so many Housewives stories and I've been on

920
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: like Watch What Happens Live, which also you did an

921
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: amazing job, Matt. We haven't talked about this. Matt was

922
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: so that was like pinnacle right there that it was

923
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: the peak. And I was on with um Karen Huger,

924
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: which was like iconic for me, and she's so nice.

925
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: And speaking of tall guys, I met Andy Cohen and

926
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: he goes, you're so tall. He didn't realize how I

927
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: was going to be tall. I was. I was like,

928
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: did you think I was going to be a twink?

929
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: And he just gave me a hug. I mean, I

930
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: don't know, but no, I and you always it's so

931
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: lucky when you get on with someone that you actually

932
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: want to talk to. Who did you? Who are you

933
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: on with? So I've done it a handful of times.

934
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: The second time was Zoom and that was with three

935
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: and she was lovely. The first time was with was

936
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: in person and this was when my Girl album came out.

937
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: But that was with Teddy and I need to get

938
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: on there. But I met Kyle and her whole family.

939
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: They came to my show and Aspen last ball at

940
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: this and she's like, so she's as short as me,

941
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: She's like five one. I feel like, so beautiful and

942
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: her whole family. Like meeting Mauricio after ten years of

943
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: watching this man on this show, I was just living

944
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: and my whole band they were like my guitar player

945
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: was talking to Mauricio and he was like talking about

946
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: real estate and has no idea who Mauricio is. God,

947
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, that guy is so nice.

948
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: I was just asking him like does he ever sell

949
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: houses in Nashville? And I was like it was like Ben,

950
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: He's he's like a multimillionaire, Like he doesn't do real estate,

951
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: like he owns a huge real estate like multi really

952
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: like multi continental firm. Like he literally thought he just

953
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: sold houses. He was like, he sells like mansions and hotels.

954
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: But anyhow, I'm playing stage Coach next week in Palm Springs,

955
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hang out at Kyle's house the night before.

956
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Maybe we need like a like a recap episode of

957
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: Lost Culture Rista's where I tell you that we actually,

958
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: I literally I need you might need to come back

959
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: and tell you're playing Stagecoach. Wait is and what date?

960
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: What dates? Is that in Palm Springs? So not this Friday,

961
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: but next Friday. My friend a Sports is like a

962
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: huge country fan, huge fan of yours, and he would die.

963
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: I might have to say we might we might have

964
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: to go out there, tell him to go. It's where

965
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: Coachella is. It's the same grounds, but it's the week

966
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: after Coachella, so we get all the dust. Oh my god, obsessed?

967
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: So wait, what what do you what do you think

968
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: of the trailer for Beverly Hills. I mean it looks insane,

969
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: like I just and I get so invested and I

970
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: don't know how much of it is real. But just

971
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: after talking to Kyle at the Aspen thing. It was

972
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: like the week they were shooting the reunion, like she

973
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: hadn't shot it yet, and I was so floored that

974
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: she is willing to talk to me about any of

975
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: this stuff for like forty minutes, and I was like,

976
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: what Erica, Like, what is she going to do? And

977
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: I was so I was like three glasses of rose

978
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: and talking to Kyle after my show, and I was like, honestly,

979
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: maybe Erica should do like a charity show in l

980
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: A where she just brings all of her clothing and

981
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: just auctions it off and uses that money to give

982
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: to the victims. She just doesn't want to do like that.

983
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: Kyle was like, that has never occurred to anybody, how her,

984
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: because the ethos she's like putting out there is that

985
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know if it's editing in the trailer,

986
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: but it's like I don't give a funk about anyone

987
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: but me, Like I think that like sums it up.

988
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: I think she's being herself totally, but like, like that's

989
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 1: that that there's a darkness there if we can all agree, like,

990
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: oh you really, And she's like Matt and I have said,

991
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: like she's just committed to I'm sorry, like she's committed

992
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: to Monster, you know, like that Sulla super villain, the

993
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: Marvel the like origin story that we're getting for for Erica.

994
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: Marvel could never like like like whatever's happening with Scarlett

995
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: Witch and Marvel with Elizabeth Olsen, it's not even touching

996
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: what is going on with Like we're going to be

997
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: running in the streets from Erica. Jane's suitting lasers out

998
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: of her eyes in l A I can I can

999
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: feel it. It's like she is she is getting to

1000
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: the point where she because even the games, even the

1001
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: Gates have like thrown her Army of Gaze have like

1002
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: thrown down their weapons. Like there no one's on board

1003
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: with this anymore except like her and I guess Mikey

1004
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: is Mikey even on payroll still who knows? We haven't

1005
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: seen in Is it going to be like the Searcy

1006
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: thing where it's just like she ends up completely like

1007
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: that just everyone's like, oh no, not with that crazy no.

1008
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: And then she if if it is Searcy, then she

1009
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: she blows up everybody in one place that like the

1010
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: trial or whatever. Um. Yes, Sutton realized Sutton realizes the

1011
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: doors were all locked. She's not coming, She's got shown up.

1012
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: She has no intentions of comn she knows what's going on.

1013
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: What other franchises do you watch? Are you like a

1014
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: Bravo superfan? Are you Beverly Hills? I mean, I've watched

1015
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: New York. I feel like I only have the bandwidth,

1016
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: an emotional bandwidth, to deal with Real Housewives at Beverly Hills,

1017
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: which from season one two now it has consistently been

1018
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: great television. Like there's just not a dud. I mean,

1019
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: even the ones that weren't that good, we're still really good. Yea.

1020
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: Even the Carlton season, it was like, I'll watch it still.

1021
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: It was so funny on the reunion when they brought

1022
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: up Carlton and Garcela was like, who is Carlton? And yeah,

1023
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: my favorite, my favorite line of Carlton's is when Kyle

1024
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,479
Speaker 1: gives her like a necklace and she's like, I gave

1025
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: you a necklace, Carlton, how can I not like you?

1026
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: And she's like it's in water, like she's cleansing the necklace.

1027
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Honestly, in many ways, Beverly Hills was

1028
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: a song of ice and fire between Kyle and a

1029
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: Lisa Vanderpump and I guess sort of fire one over

1030
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: Ice there, but now really Erica is representing Ice. What

1031
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: what is your read on Renna? Like, what's your type

1032
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: of Sean Rena? I mean, I feel like it's got

1033
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: to be just her amplifying a personality. I don't know

1034
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: if you were yeah, like, I don't know, if you

1035
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: were just on your couch watching Netflix and drinking with

1036
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 1: her on a Friday night, she would be giving you

1037
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: that oh you're so angry. I don't think that's her.

1038
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: I think she would probably be kind of like a

1039
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: down home chick. I could just be completely misreading it

1040
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: because I've done it's people. But um, I don't know,

1041
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: Like what's y'alls read on her? I haven't met her, right,

1042
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: I think Renna has her gears and like she's she's

1043
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,959
Speaker 1: got the Housewives gear. She's got like the e red

1044
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: carpet gear, like gear TVC. Like she knows how to

1045
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: like be her own like variation. Yeah, I mean to

1046
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: put food on Ryan's table. I don't know if I

1047
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: would do all that. I don't know if I would

1048
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: do a diaper endorsement. I think I would just be like,

1049
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work out, like we're gonna get divorced.

1050
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: I won't, I won't wear the diaper full stop, full stop. No.

1051
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: But yes, she really has no shame. I think. Well,

1052
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: first of all, I do did a diaper endorsement recently too.

1053
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: Sorry just putting that. That's that's almost like shady a

1054
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: little bit. It's almost like stepping on the on the turf.

1055
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated. I will say, um, the diaper cartel. I

1056
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: do identify in many areas of my life as a

1057
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: Wrenna because I can't help myself sometimes. Wouldn't Rena be

1058
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: iconic to watch what happens? Because you know she's going

1059
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: to start ship right in front of you. Oh yeah.

1060
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: And she's also like kind of even more outrageous on

1061
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: watch what Happens Live sometimes than shut glasses and yeah,

1062
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: and she's like flipping the camera off. Yeah, she was

1063
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: like she was starting chaos all over the place. Yeah,

1064
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm going down in flames on my

1065
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: own terms. Garcella also always starts and watch it Happens live.

1066
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: It's like there's always something that pisses someone off about Garcetta,

1067
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: like the other day, I forget what it was, but

1068
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: of course that was the iconic thing of her saying

1069
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: Denise wanted to come back, but someone had to go,

1070
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: and then it was a whole thing on the reunion. Yea,

1071
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: I fucking love the show. We were in Fire Island

1072
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: shooting the movie coming out, and one of my favorite

1073
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: days I just texted Bone and all about it was

1074
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: we woke up on a when on like a on

1075
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: like a weekend, and we just watched the episode would

1076
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: where Dorite said I don't understand it in four languages,

1077
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 1: and we're like, this is the best show on TV.

1078
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. Oh my god, Oh it's so good.

1079
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: All right, well we have to move to I don't

1080
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: think so, honey. This is our one minute segment where

1081
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: we you're gonna do great. Well, we rant about something

1082
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: in culture and mine actually is sort of on topic. Okay,

1083
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: all right, so this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey.

1084
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. That

1085
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: it seems like Kathy Hilton is going to be the

1086
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: villain of this season. I am not on board. And

1087
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: this is so classic because you come on, you're a

1088
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: fan favorite and then they try to get you the

1089
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: second season it happened. I don't want it to happen

1090
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: with Kathy. Now. Are the rumors that Kathy apparently called

1091
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: Sutton stracs assistant a fag when he couldn't put a

1092
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: bag on an airplane? Asked, is that I do think, so, honey?

1093
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: Is it not also a little funny for me, as

1094
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: a gay person to think of Kathy Hilton sitting there

1095
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: in a corner watching a little gay trying to get

1096
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: bag on to plan them and saying fag. I don't

1097
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: think so, honey. I think that's kind of funny. You

1098
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: want to see it? Um, This is the problem when

1099
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: you tell people like Kathy Hilton that they can say fag,

1100
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: they might. I'm so honey that we won't be able

1101
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: to enjoy Kathy anymore, the hunky dory of it all,

1102
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: the portable fan of it all. I kind of want

1103
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: Kathy to just be what Cathy is. And I don't think, so, honey,

1104
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a tough reunion for her, which

1105
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: Garcela said on Watch What Happens Live. I don't think, so, honey,

1106
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: that we can't just enjoy Kathy. Please. I don't think so,

1107
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: Honey us chasing Kathee away like Kathy Kathley Hope, Kyle

1108
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: and her are okay, I don't think that's one minute

1109
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: god and agreed, I'll count. There's something about a woman

1110
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: that gay people love staying fag on a plane that

1111
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: just kind of is like, it's okay, Banks did it,

1112
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: you did it today? It was it was on a plane,

1113
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: but Baron did it, and we and and she is allowed,

1114
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: you asked for and you're reference you are referencing a

1115
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: published work quote I was quoting quotations. Yeah, and happy

1116
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: Hilton doing it. But I don't think that's the that's

1117
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: the villain narrative for her completely, her being locked out

1118
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: of that store to make me pee my pants laughing.

1119
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Just the richest woman in the world,

1120
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: like pulling a door and Erica jambiond like, don't get

1121
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: don't open that really good. I want her to stay pure,

1122
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: but I don't know if she will. Apparently it's bad.

1123
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean she's untouchable, like she's like,

1124
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: oh what, you don't want me on Real Housewives anymore?

1125
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: Peace the funk out? Then yeah, I gotta go back

1126
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: to my fucking hotel that I own. All right, bow

1127
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: and Yang, do you have a topic, sweet deer? I

1128
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: think so. I could I could do another, I could

1129
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: do have every one, or I could do something else.

1130
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: But what do you think? I think you should do

1131
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: whatever your heart desires. I'm gonna do a Beverly Hills one,

1132
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: but it's going to be a little bit of a

1133
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: of a downer al right, oh yeah, and then and

1134
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: then mine will be kind of like in the middle

1135
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: of the great perfectly okay, perfect I don't think so, honey.

1136
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: This time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Crystal

1137
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: Kung Minkoff coming off as like a full SOB story

1138
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: and the trailer for this season. I need her to

1139
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: go back to the way she was beginning of season

1140
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: what was it twelve eleven last season, where she was

1141
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: like fully in Sutton's ship, like making her have a

1142
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: mental breakdown every episode. Like I need that Crystal to

1143
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: come back, Like the eating disorder thing is really, really,

1144
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: really vulnerable, and it's really amazing that she like wants

1145
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: to open up about that. But I need Crystal to

1146
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: be mean and I'm sorry to say this word, but

1147
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: bitchy again, that's what that is so powerful for her

1148
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: as this like wealthy Asian woman to project on the TV.

1149
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: Like in a way that's different from like Dragon Lady.

1150
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: It's different from Tiger Mom. It's differ from crazy rich Asians.

1151
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: It's a new ti of Asian woman that we have

1152
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: not seen in the media, like bitchy Asian lady who

1153
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: can like tear down a white woman at a fucking

1154
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: backyard dinner party situation. I need her to wear allegedly

1155
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: ugly leather pants and make a Southern woman lose her mind.

1156
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: And that's fine a minute. What we need is iconic

1157
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: rich Disney wife. Yes, that's all I need. That's all

1158
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: I want from Crystal. I mean she can be of course,

1159
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: she is this multidimensional woman who like has her struggles,

1160
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: and it will be very important for her to talk

1161
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: about this. Um. It seems like it's really going to

1162
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: be sad though, like she's she's she's really struggling with that,

1163
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's tough. It's happening on Jersey

1164
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: right now with Jackie Goldschneider and what what I'm really

1165
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: appreciating it about. It is such a vulnerable thing to

1166
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: talk about and Crystal. I think I almost think Crystal

1167
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: couldn't come back unless she talked about it. And I

1168
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: think the good thing about when they do bring this

1169
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: onto the show is that they're making a public and

1170
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: concerted effort to get better. And that's that's that's I

1171
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: So I'm in full support of it because I think

1172
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: even if it's not like you know, iconic, like so

1173
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: woman like, it is like something that's her real life

1174
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: and all I want, all I want is for her

1175
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: to you know, feel good about herself because she's so beautiful.

1176
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: I love Crystal completely agree. She's been so vulnerable about

1177
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: it and open about it on like podcasts and interviews,

1178
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: and I think this I hope this is another piece

1179
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: of that. Um. I just hope we get uh some

1180
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: air time with her being like, you know, the Crystal

1181
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: that like I fell in love with. But I don't

1182
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: want to dictate or predicate the version of herself she

1183
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,439
Speaker 1: should be on TV. I just hope that we don't

1184
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: lose some of that. What are your Crystal thoughts, Maren?

1185
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: I really liked her and I feel like in that

1186
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: season where she's introduced and she's talking to Sutton and

1187
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: you kind of like I think of Sutton as the

1188
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: villain when she's like, oh are you that role like that?

1189
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't see colored girl, and she like clocks her

1190
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: and she gets so defensive. No, I'm not talking about this,

1191
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about this. I was like, yeah, Crystals

1192
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: Heller because like so many white women, they needed to

1193
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: hear that that year of all years especially, so I

1194
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: was just like hell yes, and Heiress to Lion King like,

1195
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what could come. Um, So I'm hoping that,

1196
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: like with editing, they're just trying to make the trailer

1197
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: look really MOPy, but I think that it's actually going

1198
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: to be a lot lighter when it actually comes out.

1199
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: So that was my thoughts. There was also that scene

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01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: where like Erica with just Rna and Crystal, where they're

1201
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: clearly at someone's home and they're dressed to the nines

1202
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: and Crystal says to Erica, is it that bad? And

1203
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: Enda goes, yes, there's there's no house. She nails her line,

1204
01:06:55,360 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: She really does her line. So Angry Culture Finale Um

1205
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: Last Culturally, Last episode of Last Culture says every whenever

1206
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: it happens, it's not us. You're gonna win a Peabody finally,

1207
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: um okay, Marion Morris, are you ready for Honey? Yeah?

1208
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: I think so, this iconic moment in history. Okay, this

1209
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: is Marion Morris's I don't think so honey, or time

1210
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: starts now, Okay, I don't think so honey. Music trends

1211
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: on TikTok, and I don't care if I come across

1212
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: as a jaded, neo luddite boomer with this perspective, but

1213
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: as someone that likes TikTok and we'll continue to use

1214
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: it after this read. I cannot deal with the laziness

1215
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: of music label old guys thinking in the last two years,

1216
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 1: I'm not having to put any money into creativity, into

1217
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: music videos, into a ward show, into touring. They think

1218
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: the only way they can make money is off of

1219
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: a TikTok trend through music and a twelve year old

1220
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: making up a dance with only their upper body and

1221
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: it has no swag. Cannot imagine my own songs popping

1222
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: to that. And I love TikTok, but it is such

1223
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: a lazy way of old guys in suits to make

1224
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: creatives feel like they're only contest creators and I just

1225
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: can't And I think that like label guys to TikTok

1226
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: music trends is like Gretchen Wieners to fetch, Like it's

1227
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Wow, thank you so much for

1228
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: saying this. And this is the crazy, this is the

1229
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: most This is the craziest example I can think of

1230
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: is Matt did you clock the Demi? Lavada released a

1231
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: Cool for the Summer sped up version because the song

1232
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: has been trunning on TikTok. People are doing their little dances. Great,

1233
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: we love it. But then they released a sped up

1234
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: version of Cool for the Summer, a song that is

1235
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: like at this point six years old, like a sped

1236
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: up version just like get streaming dollars, chasing it down,

1237
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: chasing it down. But it's like this is so fucking transparent,

1238
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: Like it's just for the techtok dance of it. All

1239
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: that all people are doing on the TikTok app is

1240
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: just speeding speeding up the sound like double speed or

1241
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: pitching it up. It's like, which is great, like that

1242
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: helps with the dance, but it's like, this is not

1243
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,799
Speaker 1: a way for like music suits to like make money.

1244
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: It's so stupid. Our engineer, Doug who's worked in the

1245
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: music bizin for for years as amen okay. COT engineer

1246
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: Doug says, Amen, we love you dog. I mean, there's there's,

1247
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: there's a time and a place, but for it to

1248
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: only be the way of the future, it's just so soulless.

1249
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: And I just feel like it just makes everyone on

1250
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: this conveyor belt of like musical fast food, and it

1251
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: just kills creativity. And for those who have done well

1252
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: with it, I commend you, but it honestly makes me

1253
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: hate the song sometimes where I only hear four seconds

1254
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,520
Speaker 1: of it and then I'll see that it's like nominated

1255
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: for a grea at me and I'll be like, wait,

1256
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: this is the part I heard on TikTok and this

1257
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: is the whole song. It makes me go out of

1258
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: my way to not listen to it. Honestly, it's unnatural.

1259
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: It's not like the way that we consume it's and

1260
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: even if it's like supposedly the new way we consume

1261
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: media now, like like in this at this length, it's

1262
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: like it's not how it should be necessarily, I don't know.

1263
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: And and also you know, we we talked to artists

1264
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: like we had Betty Huan and I talked to um

1265
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: someone who's a recording artist. I won't name him, but

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Speaker 1: like he was saying that his label was like you

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Speaker 1: have to have a TikTok hit and a huge TikTok presence,

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Speaker 1: or like we won't push the music we Slian Michaels

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Speaker 1: has talked about that. Jillian Michaels, who has written like

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Speaker 1: one of the like some of the biggest pop songs

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Speaker 1: of the last decade, has said her own label, like

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Speaker 1: she put this on Twitter a few months ago where

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Speaker 1: she was like, if it doesn't go viral immediately on TikTok,

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Speaker 1: they just don't promote it, and it just sucks because

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Speaker 1: it's like not everyone is treated that way, but it's

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01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: becoming like such a like store business where that's there's

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Speaker 1: no creative like everything is just sort of put on

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Speaker 1: the same chopping block, like this artist. And you even

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Speaker 1: see like Florence in the Machine unwillingly but begrudgingly doing

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Speaker 1: TikTok's because she'll say, my label is making me do this,

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Speaker 1: and all she does is seing like acapella and her

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Speaker 1: fans love it so like it's totally in its own way,

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01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: poking fun at it and it's pure, but it's still

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Speaker 1: like her being Florence and but yeah, she's like my

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Speaker 1: labels making me do this. It's just like I love

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Speaker 1: I love like the artists that are at least like

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Speaker 1: reclaiming ownership over their own like platform of art. And

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01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: it's not just being this very see through marketing tool.

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Speaker 1: They shouldn't be putting that position in the first place,

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Speaker 1: where like you are really pushing all of your creative

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Speaker 1: instincts into like a mold that is like the size

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Speaker 1: of a fucking like pinhole. You know. It's like, how

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Speaker 1: are you gonna, like, right, how is that the objective

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Speaker 1: to like write a song that like we'll fit into

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Speaker 1: like a four second little dance? Anyway, when, um, when

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Speaker 1: are your next shows in l A and New York?

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Speaker 1: Because we want to come see you. So I'm doing

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl. I've never done the Bowl? What the hell?

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Speaker 1: Um wait, I'm looking it up. It's that you don't know, Actually, no,

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Speaker 1: it is. Well, I was trying to actually do two

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Speaker 1: dates at the Greek because I just se x at

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Speaker 1: the Greek. She put on an amazing show. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: so jealous. I actually saw it on TikTok Um. I

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Speaker 1: saw Casey at the Greek right before the pandemic. I

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Speaker 1: saw Maggie Rogers. The Greek is insane. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: couldn't because of COVID and all the backed up tours

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Speaker 1: that are getting rescheduled. I couldn't get too consecutive nights.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, let's just do the Bowl. So

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Speaker 1: we're doing the Bowl October, end of July. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing that July twenty night. Okay, we're gonna come

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Speaker 1: to both. I'm gonna go to New York and go

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Speaker 1: to that, and then Bone's gonna come to a must

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Speaker 1: go on us to be on Saturday Night Live that night,

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Speaker 1: not end of July. Oh no, and on October. No,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Lauren, I gotta go. Um, this was

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Speaker 1: so fun to get to talk to you and meet

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Speaker 1: you in person on Zoom et cetera. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But your album is so great, I mean, and like,

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Speaker 1: especially at a time when they're pushing like you know,

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Speaker 1: the TikTok bullshit. Thanks for making like such an capital

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Speaker 1: a album and you're just the best. Thank you. Well, hey,

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Speaker 1: um you guys, like whatever you need, Like I want

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Speaker 1: to meet you at these shows or let's meet up

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Speaker 1: in the same city. But please come back and say hello,

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Speaker 1: don't have us it's it's I mean, we we admired

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Speaker 1: respectfully at the Bowery Ballroom. I'll take anything I can get,

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Speaker 1: if it's just a little wave or anything. We love

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Speaker 1: you so much, Mare, and truly this is so so special.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, Thank you for having me. I'm

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Speaker 1: always going to check my DM s. Now, there you go,

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Speaker 1: I got it. You gotta be checking the d ms.

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Speaker 1: And that's actually for everyone out there. You have to

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Speaker 1: check the dm We end every episode with a song

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Speaker 1: and by when you know the one it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious to know what keys we both choose. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not, it's it's one of yours. I feel like

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Speaker 1: a hot And to hear the rest of that you

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Speaker 1: have to listen to Hero but stream Humble Crest. Bye

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Speaker 1: bye