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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome to normally this show with normal

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Speaker 1: ish takes, but when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 2: I am Mary Katherine Yam and I'm Carol Markowitz.

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Speaker 1: We are excited to be here with you guys. The

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Speaker 1: thing about Carol and me is that we're normal ish, right, guy.

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Speaker 1: We got kids, We do grocery shopping, we drive our

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Speaker 1: own cars, things that a lot of people in the

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Speaker 1: elite circles do not do. But we pay so much

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Speaker 1: attention to the news that we thought maybe we could

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Speaker 1: bring some of that to you guys normally exactly that.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we planned to do here today. I

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Speaker 1: think Carol's going to kick us off with a little

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Speaker 1: bit about what Kamala Harris actually believes. We're going to get.

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Speaker 2: Right into it today and see if we could figure

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Speaker 2: that out. Now, Yeah, the round kids, as we recall

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Speaker 2: a magical time in the year twenty twenty. You see,

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Speaker 2: the left got to say anything, literally anything, And let

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Speaker 2: MK get into it further about what Kamala Harris believed then.

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Speaker 2: But it's a long and crazy list.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, our friend Mark Tayson at the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: has put together a helpful list for us, and you

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Speaker 1: do need a list because there have been so many

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Speaker 1: changes we have banning the sale of gas powered cars.

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Speaker 1: In April twenty nineteen, she co sponsored an act that

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Speaker 1: would eventually get us to the banning of gas powered

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Speaker 1: as part of her twenty nineteen campaign get us there

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Speaker 1: by twenty thirty five. You know, just very very normal

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Speaker 1: stuff in a federal ban on fracking. At CNN's twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen town hall, we've seen her on tape saying there's

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Speaker 1: no question I'm in favor of banning fracking, ending private

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Speaker 1: health insurance. She's also on tape saying that she was

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Speaker 1: a co sponsor for Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All Act.

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Speaker 1: She was asked by Jake Tapper at a January twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen town hall about it, and she said she would

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Speaker 1: totally eliminate private insurance. The great Neil new Deal, decriminalizing

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Speaker 1: illegal border crossings, defunding ice healthcare for illegal immigrants. I

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Speaker 1: mean it goes on and on, mandatory gun buybacks, and

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Speaker 1: now I mean, yeah, that stuff.

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Speaker 2: You forgot my personal favorite sex changes for illegal immigrant prisoners.

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Speaker 2: You know, so if you're in prison and you're an

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrant to this country, free sex change for you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that one is so wild, though a lot

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Speaker 1: of people just thought it was fake because it sounded

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Speaker 2: Right, So they got allowed to be as crazy as

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Speaker 2: not as cool to be insane anymore. And it's twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, and so now the media is doing a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a cover job. The New York Times

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Speaker 2: sends out this email occasionally, and I make the mistake

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Speaker 2: of reading it. And in the last one they tried

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Speaker 2: to say that in twenty twenty, here's the quote. Trump's

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Speaker 2: extremism had radicalized many Democrats in the opposite direction. Progressives,

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Speaker 2: especially the college graduates whose staff campaigns and think tanks,

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Speaker 2: wanted to decriminalize border crossings, band fracking, abolish private health insurance,

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Speaker 2: and defund the police. The party's presidential candidates embraced at

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Speaker 2: least some of these positions, even though they were never

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Speaker 2: arguments that advocates made. Now, in order to do this,

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Speaker 2: they also have to rewrite what happened in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: which was that Bernie Sanders was going to be the

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Speaker 2: banded together and got rid of him. They made sure

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Speaker 2: everybody else dropped out. Joe Biden had a clear path,

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Speaker 2: and that's how it went down. So you have the

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Speaker 2: situation where she doesn't believe any of that stuff anymore,

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Speaker 2: we're told, but we don't actually know that, because never

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Speaker 2: hold these beliefs. Instead, we have a whispered network where

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Speaker 2: believe that anymore. How we're supposed to just accept that,

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Speaker 2: especially since one of the candidates running for president didn't

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Speaker 2: We don't know what Kamala Harris stands for, and the

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Speaker 1: There's an LA Times piece that addresses this a bit

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Speaker 1: also suggests that she's just like a center left lady.

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Speaker 1: And you know, she allowed the politics of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: She needs a California Democrat running slightly center to totally

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Speaker 1: That's not a lauderate place.

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Speaker 2: And again, are we crazy for wanting a presidential nominee

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Speaker 2: which I thought was a travesty, I tweeted repeatedly about

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Speaker 2: and my friend Robert George responded, the moderators are not

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Speaker 2: people watch debates as sports. Guilty, I do that definitely. Also,

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Speaker 2: But again in an election season where one of the

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Speaker 2: That is, what she still believes. We really have no

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Speaker 2: actual idea now. Stephanie Ruhl was on Bill maher explaining

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Speaker 2: why that's okay that Kamala Harris isn't giving interviews and

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Speaker 2: we're wild and crazy for even thinking she should.

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Speaker 3: Let's roll the clip is we don't know her answer

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Speaker 3: to anything, okay, answer to everything, and that's why I

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Speaker 2: Vote for him.

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Speaker 3: But people also are expected to have some idea of

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Speaker 3: vote for. You're just not supposed to say, well, you

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Speaker 3: and the other. Let's find out a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think it's a lot to ask her

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Speaker 2: Then I would just say to that, when you moved

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Speaker 2: to Nirvana, give me your real estate broker's number and

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Speaker 2: I'll be your nextural naghbor.

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Speaker 1: We don't live there. It's so funny to be a

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Speaker 1: And that is that I don't know far that you got.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want the interview right. Why wouldn't she say,

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Speaker 2: I think you're one hundred percent right, and I want

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Speaker 1: Harris because she's afraid of handicapping Kamala Harris. That's what

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Speaker 1: it is. Her allegiance to her side politically, which is

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Speaker 1: Journalists against interviews is such an amazing thing we've come

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Speaker 1: to and I must say there are plenty of my

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Speaker 1: I don't think they should stop doing interviews, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hide them.

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Speaker 1: No, they need to answer questions. People need to see

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Speaker 1: That's the game we're playing, That's right.

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Speaker 2: Last media clip on this or not a clip, but

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Speaker 2: I'm going to read the Michelle Goldberg of The New

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Speaker 2: York Times was on Leandrew Sullivan podcast saying, well, Kamala

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Speaker 2: was triangulating back in twenty nineteen when she ran. Was

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Speaker 2: she though? Because triangulation is the term associated with Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 2: it largely means to be non partisan, support the issues

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Speaker 2: as you see them. But that's not what Kamala did.

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Speaker 2: She embraced all of the super far left positions of

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Speaker 2: the moment. I think your point, MK, is so good

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what's crazy about the twenty twenty thing, too,

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Speaker 1: including transitions here, surgeries, just wild things coming out of

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Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, that's the crazy thing. And that's why

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Speaker 1: we're making this podcast, because sometimes weird becomes normal and

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Speaker 1: normal becomes weird. One last thing on this point is

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Speaker 1: that at this point their campaign, Harrison Walls have managed

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Speaker 2: We can't afford four more years of this. He's right,

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Speaker 2: we cannot afford four more years of this.

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Speaker 1: It's too much. I mean, when you see that, you

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Speaker 1: understand why tactically it makes sense for them maybe not

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Speaker 1: to do a ton of interviews, but this is real

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Speaker 1: through the looking glass messaging. Yeah, and your party is

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Speaker 1: currently leading now now some of my liberal apologist friends

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Speaker 1: told me, but he's just referencing Donald Trump. Great, Donald

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Speaker 2: Speaking of our absent president, there was a cabinet meeting

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Speaker 2: who did lead?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: Was it his vice president Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: No, she was also not there. In fact, so the

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Speaker 1: president was there at the cabinet meeting. Everybody's called together.

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Speaker 1: It's the first time they've been called together in about

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Speaker 1: well who is running things? And by a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: I mean us, not certainly not the press, no press corps.

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Speaker 1: But they gather finally after a year, and he's sitting

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Speaker 1: in the center of the table. But first Lady Jill

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Speaker 1: Biden is sitting at the head of the table. Doctor

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Speaker 1: dot excuse me, First lady, doctor Madam Jill Biden is

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Speaker 1: sitting at the head of the table, and he interros

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Speaker 1: her very generously, and she talks about her Women's health initiative.

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Speaker 1: What's striking about this is it's clear that the cabinet

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Speaker 2: I did not recall anybody voting for her, and.

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Speaker 1: I watched the entire c Span clip of it to see, Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm missing some context here, Perhaps this is not weird,

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Speaker 1: even though it seems weird. But no, he speaks for

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Speaker 1: another six to seven minutes about her initiative, and then

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Speaker 1: a couple reporters yell questions and then they usher everyone

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Speaker 1: Some appalling stories, perhaps in David Lanhard's New York catch

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Speaker 1: That would have been normal. The going to school very strange,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, herd guy, he needs his sex parties.

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Speaker 1: He needed his sex parties. And it's funny because she

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Speaker 1: As one of our friends Fetasy noted on Twitter, people

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Speaker 2: Right and died alone because of his advice. That's, you know,

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Speaker 2: Was he masking up at these parties? Was he masking

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Speaker 1: Know, I gotta say that The Atlantic does a heroic

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Speaker 1: totally fine. But it ends with that. You know, he

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Speaker 2: He was going to run for the point in zero

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, we needed we needed leaders, and we needed

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Speaker 1: So keep your eyes open for when he gets another

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