WEBVTT - They Finally Indicted Trump For The Coup

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<v Speaker 1>It could happen. Here is the podcast that this is

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<v Speaker 1>right now, would you guys? When do you guys? Solo

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<v Speaker 1>intro this podcast? James Stout Mia Wong do y'all? Uh

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<v Speaker 1>do y'all just like shout a tonally? Ever? Have you

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<v Speaker 1>have y'all tried that yet?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>I struggled with the intro. I just say hello everyone, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know James. Nope, No, that's your try, that's your

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<v Speaker 1>that's your East Coast Ivy League elitism. Uh coming through.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's correct for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever since I was born in Boston, I had, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>growing up on a different side of the tracks to yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>also from Boston, New course.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right, yes, uh.

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<v Speaker 2>In trade tracks in Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I'm not allowed currently to do the accent.

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<v Speaker 3>Because Sophie for legal reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I uh yeah, yeah, she's got some dirt

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<v Speaker 1>on me. Anyway, we are a podcast asked about things

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<v Speaker 1>falling apart, and you know what would make things fall

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<v Speaker 1>apart worse than they already are is if Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>won a second term. So today, true, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk partly about that, and we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the indictments against him. That's the big news, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>most recent big political news. Unless he's been indicted again

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<v Speaker 1>by the time this episode drops, not impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>Send another one ready to draw up.

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<v Speaker 1>But from my last kind, I think he's at like

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight charges felony charges at the moment, So honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>he might get to triple digits. It's not he's not

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<v Speaker 1>all that far.

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<v Speaker 2>There's stuff like I didn't realize. Well, I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>knew intellectually that you could you could be charged with

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy to do something and then also doing it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I know, Yeah, Like I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen a politician charged with both conspiracy and

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<v Speaker 2>the actual doing of the thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope at some point, assuming you know, we continue

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<v Speaker 1>to have some thing that resembles freedom of speech, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get a good book about like how the whole process

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<v Speaker 1>of them had, like figuring out how and when and

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<v Speaker 1>weather to actually like go after him. I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about both, like the FEDS and the DA

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, But I am interested in both of

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<v Speaker 1>those stories because there has to be there have to

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<v Speaker 1>have been some real interesting conversations. But yeah, we are

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<v Speaker 1>right now, we're looking at him. He's about to be

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<v Speaker 1>arraigned as we talk about this, for inciting an insurrection

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<v Speaker 1>at the capitol. So that's pretty cool. Mia, you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to to start us off here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, yeah, And I think this is okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is an interesting indictment in that, like it

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<v Speaker 2>somehow took them about two years to like actually do

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<v Speaker 2>the indictment. That's like, hey, it's illegal to try to

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<v Speaker 2>overthrow the government point installing yourself as president.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fairness, they don't have a lot of experience

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<v Speaker 1>charging people with that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and we should actually mention they should Bush. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing, Bush Bush. Actually we're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this more later. But like Bush actually got away with

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<v Speaker 2>this right, Like the last time a court ruled on

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<v Speaker 2>whether a president can use the courts to instalve themselves

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<v Speaker 2>as president, the Supreme Court was like, yeah, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like no problem, Like, yeah, it's fine, you could

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<v Speaker 2>you can have a mob show up and disrupt the

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<v Speaker 2>counting process and it's fine. But Trump like fucked up

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't do it the way you're supposed to. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know there's something sort of I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's something I was thinking about while I was

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<v Speaker 2>reading this, which is like the English languish, doesn't I

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<v Speaker 2>think part of the issue here is like we don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. The English language doesn't even like have

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<v Speaker 2>a good word for like the kind of coup that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was doing. Like there's a Spanish word which is

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<v Speaker 2>auto goulpe, which is like yeah, Spanish, Jam's got a

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<v Speaker 2>great one in English and translates the self coup, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're just like, ah, we're done. It's like no, No,

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<v Speaker 2>that sucks. That time sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really I wish I had a better than Trump

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<v Speaker 1>voice because then I could do on a golpe.

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<v Speaker 2>What is that is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like a like like at seven eleven the big sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four rounds Diet Coach get But I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do a good Trump. So that wasn't as

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<v Speaker 1>funny as it should have. Anyway, whatever, please continue with.

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<v Speaker 2>We had it, so you know, I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's worth kind of thinking a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna sort of come back to this as

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<v Speaker 2>we go through this case, but I think it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>remembering that again, like everything Trump is doing in This

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<v Speaker 2>is based off of like is it is based off

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<v Speaker 2>of the sort of Bush thing into in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>where he had a bunch of well, okay, so a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of Bush's political operatives like stormed one of the

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<v Speaker 2>one of the places that was doing the recount in

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<v Speaker 2>Florida and stopped them from counting the votes and then

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<v Speaker 2>they just delayed and long enough that he was able

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<v Speaker 2>to get appointed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the Brooks Brothers riot Roger Stone was a major

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<v Speaker 1>part of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we've we've done this, you know, we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this on the show like the end of last year.

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<v Speaker 2>But but again, so the reason this worked though, right,

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<v Speaker 2>is that Bush made really really sure that there was

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<v Speaker 2>like a sound legal case sort of behind this entire

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<v Speaker 2>thing he made. He made really sure to like go

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<v Speaker 2>through all of the proper like checks and balances and

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<v Speaker 2>like blah blah blah blah. But Trump just like didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do this. And the result of this is that Jack Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>like finally two years later, Jack Smith, who's this guy?

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<v Speaker 2>He was, he was appointed by Merrick Garland to like

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<v Speaker 2>take over these two Justice Department cases about Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>just indicted him with this stuff he has so he's

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<v Speaker 2>been charged with with three counts of criminal conspiracy, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think is accounted obstruction. So I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 2>through what he's actually been charged.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to note something real quick, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>another reason why it worked for Bush and it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>for Trump is that with Bush, it was legitimately the

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<v Speaker 1>election came down to Florida, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was extremely close. It was really just a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of counties in Florida. With Trump, he was not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to just sort of like jink jink part of a state.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like it was like Biden had a commanding lead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a big dub for Uncle Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And and you know, so yeah, like obviously, like

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<v Speaker 2>Trump like just fails at this spectacularly, and the law

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<v Speaker 2>is finally coming after him. They so they're charging him

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<v Speaker 2>with conspiracy to defraud the United States, which again is

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<v Speaker 2>the thing I didn't know you could do.

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<v Speaker 3>And Lon Semstrong got that, didn't he did?

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<v Speaker 2>He?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, because USPS was his sponsor, so he was

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<v Speaker 3>defrauding the federal government.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the don't yeah, don't don't. Don't you post out.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's the first guy who's not rad to get charged

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<v Speaker 1>with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry James, Okay, I didn't. I didn't. Yeah, sorry everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out. So this this one is, this is specifically

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<v Speaker 2>like impairing the election, like impairing like the the the

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<v Speaker 2>votes of the presidential election. The first one is mostly

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about this more in a bit, like the

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<v Speaker 2>illegitimate electors thing that he did. The second one is

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<v Speaker 2>just him being charged for They finally found a thing

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<v Speaker 2>the charge him for doing January sixth, which was they

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<v Speaker 2>charged him with like conspiracy to obstruct an official preceding,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they got him also with obstruction obstructing the

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<v Speaker 2>official proceeding, which again seems like a kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>this is, I don't know, it's not quite getting out

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<v Speaker 2>the pope for tax evasion, but like you'd think they'd

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<v Speaker 2>have something like more.

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<v Speaker 1>Powerful throw the government, attempting to make yourself a dictator, bonapartism.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's not really bonapartism, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like seditions, right there, sedition that's a second choice, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>right choice.

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<v Speaker 2>They they gut him on obstruction. Okay, sure, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is I feel like our our I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>our legal system seems to be sort of woefully unprepared

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<v Speaker 2>for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it's not. Again, in fairness, everyone has before.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was willing to play the game, right like we are, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously George W. Bush stole the fucking election, no argument there,

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<v Speaker 1>so did Nixon. But they did it with enough plausible deniability,

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<v Speaker 1>right that the elite were that there was not there

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<v Speaker 1>was not a fear among the quote unquote deep state

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, the people the elites in this country

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<v Speaker 1>that like this would obviously be someone overthrowing the government, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And Nixon's case, fucking LBJ like basically refused to go

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<v Speaker 1>after him for breaking the law and extended the Vietnam

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<v Speaker 1>War and committing treason because it would be bad in

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<v Speaker 1>his view for the country. Horrible mistake obviously. And with

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<v Speaker 1>George W. Bush, you know, he had he had the

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<v Speaker 1>court on his side, and it like so there was

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<v Speaker 1>there was enough plausible deniability that, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>not like it is with Trump where he was just

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm gonna have a mob, yeah, like a capital

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cat.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was thinking about this, like the last

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<v Speaker 2>time someone actually did something like this, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was the Corrupt Bargain in like eighteen seventy three, were

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<v Speaker 2>just like like they there was this argument or the

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<v Speaker 2>like Wilmington, Yeah, well I mean I mean like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but like like on on on the presidential level of

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<v Speaker 2>like literally someone like like Ruthero Behayes famously, like they

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<v Speaker 2>had basically this incredible thing where like both parties were

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<v Speaker 2>like they couldn't decide who was supposed to count the

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<v Speaker 2>votes and which whichever like part of the two parties

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<v Speaker 2>counted the votes was going to declare it they won

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<v Speaker 2>the that they won the election. And so they worked

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<v Speaker 2>out this like incredibly basically they worked out this compromise

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<v Speaker 2>where like the Republicans got Rutherford Behayes like in office,

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<v Speaker 2>but they also ended reconstruction. But that but and that

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<v Speaker 2>that that was a period that was long ago enough

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<v Speaker 2>that like you could do that shit without like involving

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<v Speaker 2>the courts or involving this sort of like massive state apparatus.

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<v Speaker 2>And you kind of like can't, I don't know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't outside of like Illinois, you can't really be that

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<v Speaker 2>corrupt anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to sort of like the reason Sandvea Goes

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<v Speaker 3>called en run by the sea Maya.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, look, you have to you have to respect

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<v Speaker 1>you know, local culture with these kinds of things and Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>it would actually be like an act of genocide to

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<v Speaker 1>try to make Illinois politics not incredibly Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean right, that's the destruction of a people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Like like one of the most hated political figures

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<v Speaker 2>in like the entire history of Illinois was this like

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<v Speaker 2>state senator who went down for corruption, but went down

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<v Speaker 2>for like one hundred dollars of corruption and despise like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most hated political figures in Illinois because

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<v Speaker 2>he only went down for you only did one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars of crimes, whereas like our current governor did like

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of really funny fraud and everyone loves him

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<v Speaker 2>because it's hilarious where he like he like he like

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<v Speaker 2>took all of the bathrooms out of one of his

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<v Speaker 2>houses so it wouldn't be classified the house.

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<v Speaker 3>That's kind of That's that's the guy you want in

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<v Speaker 3>judge your legatives.

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<v Speaker 1>When he sees a loophole, that's the guy. If we

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<v Speaker 1>ever have a corruption Olympics, that's our only chance at

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<v Speaker 1>beating the Russians. Iis is gonna be our dream team.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Prinsker is the least corrupt governor I've had in

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<v Speaker 2>my lifetime. This is the least corrupt guy. He is, like,

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<v Speaker 2>like he is corrupt, but like yeah, it's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>always something amazing. We should probably get back to this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the last thing he got was they got

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<v Speaker 2>him of like conspiracy against rights, so like a conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>against the right to vote and have your vote counted,

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<v Speaker 2>which sure, yeah, do a bad thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's not good, like all of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that he like they're accusing of, like he pretty he

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<v Speaker 2>clearly did. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to also talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the way this has been being talked about in

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<v Speaker 2>the media because one of the things is happening here,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is this is sort of a trend with

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<v Speaker 2>all forms of like things that are in the written language,

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<v Speaker 2>is that everyone only reads the first like maybe one

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<v Speaker 2>chapter or like especially the first couple of pages of

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<v Speaker 2>something from any like written document. So this is why

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<v Speaker 2>like all the like you know, the like abandon all

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<v Speaker 2>hope you you enter here from Dante's Inferno. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the reason, that's the line everyone knows because it's

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<v Speaker 2>in like the first couple of chapters and in this one,

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<v Speaker 2>with this case, The thing that everyone got to was

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<v Speaker 2>there's this very early part in the indictment where the

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<v Speaker 2>guy's like, well, yeah, so like it is legal to

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<v Speaker 2>like lie about the election, like you have the free

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<v Speaker 2>speech right to do that. But then also Trump knowingly

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<v Speaker 2>lied about the election and use it to try to

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<v Speaker 2>like fraud do fraud. And everyone's getting really hung up

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<v Speaker 2>on this thing about like trying to like the court

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<v Speaker 2>having to prove that he knew he was lying, which

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of like an incidental thing to the act

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<v Speaker 2>actual like like the actual stuff he's getting charged for.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get into it, but like like it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>that he was lying, that he was like actively trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get a bunch of state officials to appoint him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but but this is this has led to some just

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<v Speaker 2>like absolutely hilarious shit from Republicans who are like, none

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<v Speaker 2>of you can prove that Trump knew he was lying,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's there's no way to know Trump is Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is so Trump that like you can't you can't, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't convict him lying because he maybe maybe you just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, guys, that may not be the defense

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<v Speaker 1>you think it is. No, this motherfucker is so dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't like this guy didn't even know if he's

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<v Speaker 1>full of shit?

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<v Speaker 2>So good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like arguing that somebody who shoots two

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<v Speaker 1>or three people to death is not guilty because he

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<v Speaker 1>had his eyes closed, was pulling the trigger, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know where he was shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a crime. The other one, the only one

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<v Speaker 2>they'd been pulling, is the old like he didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>it was illegal, which.

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<v Speaker 1>I or that is absolutely not how the law works.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is you know who that not how the

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<v Speaker 1>law works, by.

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<v Speaker 2>The way, This is this how you can tell that

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<v Speaker 2>like none of these people have ever like had to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the legal system at all ever except for Baby,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know, like what are two of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys like probably caught weird charges for like unregulated securities

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<v Speaker 2>selling or some shit, but like no whom amongst us?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah yeah, but yeah, so so the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>side of it's been very funny. Okay, So before we

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<v Speaker 2>get into what like specific things they're going after Trump for,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to like talk about what his actual what

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's actual plan was, because I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of been forgotten. So the first plan and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the part that is that's not actually in

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<v Speaker 2>this trial at all, right, like not really like there's

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<v Speaker 2>his initial plan to steal the election was that. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things that happened in twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>was that like absentee voters like over like not a woman,

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<v Speaker 2>absentee voters like swung enormously Democrat, right, And that was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things Trump had been using to prove

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<v Speaker 2>there was like voter fraud or whatever. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>COVID happened, and so Trump had this, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>had had a plan which was like on a what

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, okay, so on election night, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>look like I won because they're only going to have counted,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're only gonna have counted the votes that were

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<v Speaker 2>like done in person, and those are overwhelmingly Trump. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember like that night, like having to tell all

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<v Speaker 2>my friends, like no, no, no, these are not the

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<v Speaker 2>real results. This is this is this is just the

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<v Speaker 2>in person votes. The absente votes are coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And his initial plan was to try to just like

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<v Speaker 2>declare victory that night, basically try to declare victory immediately

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<v Speaker 2>and then get everyone to stop counting and that didn't work,

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<v Speaker 2>Like even like even Fox News would have eventually like

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<v Speaker 2>stopped playing along with it, Like this got to make

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<v Speaker 2>a huge trouble with Trump because they like called Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he's still pissed that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now and again like this this didn't work, so

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't like he's not being tried for that, even

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<v Speaker 2>though that was also very blatantly steal the election. What

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<v Speaker 2>they are charging him for was so after after, so

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<v Speaker 2>there was like that stuff, and there was all these

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<v Speaker 2>like stop the vote mobs that kept showing up in places, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>stop the count right, yeah, yeah, it's it's not the count,

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<v Speaker 2>but then also in some places they are like we

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<v Speaker 2>need to count more and yeah, yeah, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>it was a it was a whole thing. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, once that fails, right, Trump and his coup

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<v Speaker 2>plotters are like legal people are just sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>freestyling it. And that's the part where you get to

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<v Speaker 2>the actual conspiracies that he's being charged with here. But

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<v Speaker 2>before before we get to those conspiracies, do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what else is a conspiracy?

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<v Speaker 3>The existence of products and services which you think will

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<v Speaker 3>improve your life.

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<v Speaker 2>How cheap they are, that's the conspiracy they've lowered the

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<v Speaker 2>price so much it is illegal of all products and services.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's defacial news. Incredible news. We're back and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sponsored this week by three shipping crates of illegal contraband

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<v Speaker 1>managed to get so six bucks a pack, guys, six

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<v Speaker 1>bucks a pack, just you know, send them to Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>at ProtonMail dot com. He'll he'll mail you cigarettes. You

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<v Speaker 1>know you've venmo him the cash, He'll send you some cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>This is probably less illegal than anything we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, almost certainly. Look, it's not against the law to

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<v Speaker 1>sell cigarettes that that you don't pay taxes on. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we can all agree that that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, no, you can use that apt I think you

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<v Speaker 2>legally can do that if you're selling it in an airport.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're selling it in an airport, yeah, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>duty free, right, And I, because I have such a

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<v Speaker 1>childlike imagination, the whole world is really my airport. Ergo,

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<v Speaker 1>we can always sell tax free cigarettes here at cool

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<v Speaker 1>Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why we have the small plane that takes off

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<v Speaker 3>from Rob's house every day. It's like a remote control plane.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right from a text, it technically counts.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are also allowed to run those those Joe

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<v Speaker 1>camel ads again, so you know, everybody who's nineties nostalgic,

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<v Speaker 1>there you go once who made it all? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So the first conspiracy thing that he's getting charged with

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<v Speaker 2>is the like fake electors thing. He also has like

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<v Speaker 2>six unnamed co conspirators, and we know we probably know

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<v Speaker 2>who like five of them are. So the first one,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously is Rudy Giuliotti, who is having the time of

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<v Speaker 2>his life question Mark he is he is like he

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<v Speaker 2>is melting so funny TV like it's The second one

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<v Speaker 2>is probably John Eastman. And this is interesting because Eastman

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<v Speaker 2>is the guy who he's like the legal mind behind

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<v Speaker 2>in January sixth. He's the guy who like thinks that

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<v Speaker 2>he's found a loophole in the law that allows like

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<v Speaker 2>the vice president to refuse to certify the election. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so this is I don't want to make something

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<v Speaker 2>clear at the outset, like he does not have like

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<v Speaker 2>Pence does not have the power to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not allowed to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, like you can't do this right, like, like

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<v Speaker 2>this is if Pence had gone along with this, that

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a coup, right like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I call this a coup.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's not a clause in the constitution that says

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<v Speaker 1>unless this guy doesn't want to have an election. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's seemed like admiralty flag ta legal conspiracy that yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>guaranteed it came from Reddit before he found it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it's some it's some real bullshit like this somehow again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the legal basis for what they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do in January sixth I I don't know. Words

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<v Speaker 2>words fail me, Like tragedy is farce of the Brooks

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers riot, I guess, but like this is like farst

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<v Speaker 2>number three at I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the first one. The first one was Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>extending the Vietnam War in order to uh win his election.

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<v Speaker 1>The farce was the Brooks Brothers riot. And now we're

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<v Speaker 1>at like lead poisoning, brain damage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like this is this is this is Marks failed

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<v Speaker 2>to consider that you could have a third or fourth farce,

0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:36.640
<v Speaker 2>like he only got to one. So speaking speaking of farce,

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<v Speaker 2>so the third the third cookes Buwag is probably Sidney Powell,

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<v Speaker 2>who apparently the last I heard about Sidney Powell, He's

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<v Speaker 2>currently like owns a bed and breakfast and spends all

0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.639
<v Speaker 2>of his time talking with his guest about the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 2>So things are going great for Sidney Powell, who is

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<v Speaker 2>on a.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's more or less what I would like him to do. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he can just keep sticking to doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah great. Yeah. So the fourth guy is Jeffrey Clark,

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't really matter. The fifth guy I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to like, Okay, so I I partially there's only like

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<v Speaker 2>only really Giuliani Eastman in Powell matter. But the fifth

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<v Speaker 2>guy is named Kenneth Chelsea Bro, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now you're fucking with us. Now, that's not a name.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a name.

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<v Speaker 2>I got nothing. I don't know, Like that is not

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<v Speaker 2>a name they have like dug up members of like

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<v Speaker 2>the old Chela arisocracy that like I I got, I

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never never been this angry in my life. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not a naked ship now, like that's that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's not Cheese Bro, It's Chelsea Brow.

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<v Speaker 2>His name, no idea. It's it's c H E. S E.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro chesa Brow.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, there's no version of how you outside

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<v Speaker 1>of Boston. I know is he bro.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we should also she's really that's so bad?

0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, I know a guy from Central California with

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 3>that name.

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<v Speaker 2>That is that is viscerally upsetting. Okay, So just speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of viscerally upsetting. So we should remind everyone how we

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<v Speaker 2>should mind everyone how American elections work, because it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>really one of the worst systems anyone's ever developed. So okay, So, like,

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<v Speaker 2>as as most people probably know, you don't directly elect

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the president. What you do instead is each each state

0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:45.520
<v Speaker 2>like you vote, well, okay, so sorry, let's run this up.

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<v Speaker 2>Each state selects electors. Now, there's nothing in the constitution

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that says you have to select electors by like voting

0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.840
<v Speaker 2>for them. It's just that every state chose to do that.

0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:00.040
<v Speaker 2>There's like a whole crank theory of Republican like the

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<v Speaker 2>egal jurisprudence where they're trying to use that to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to just like not basically not have normal elections.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, so because this is like dog shit, right,

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:10.159
<v Speaker 2>like it's it's bad for a number of reasons. The

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<v Speaker 2>first obvious one is that like this means you the

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<v Speaker 2>US does not have one person, one vote at all,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the entire American political system is just a giant

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<v Speaker 2>violation of differences of one person, one vote because people's

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 2>votes are just worth more than others because of the electors.

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<v Speaker 2>The second thing that's really bad, right is again like

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.920
<v Speaker 2>those individual electors can technically vote like however they want to,

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 2>So you could you could be an elector who's posted

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<v Speaker 2>to vote for someone and then vote for someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually happened. Although I'm not mattering, but like one

0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:43.240
<v Speaker 2>of Gore's electors I think defected to what's his name,

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 2>the third guy who ran I can't remember his.

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<v Speaker 3>Name, someone in twenty six the guy, yeah, someone did

0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 3>in twenty sixteen as well, I think rogue election. Yeah,

0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:58.680
<v Speaker 3>there's a little bit of like, I know, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a good time. I was going to talk about different

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<v Speaker 3>procedural and substantive democracy. I could talk about it now

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 3>or later, but I think it relates to what you're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, do it now.

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 3>But what out Yeah there were there were ten in

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 3>twenty sixteen. Wow face spotted Egle is the one I'm

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 3>thinking of someone voted for face spotted eagle. But yeah, okay,

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 3>So one thing I wanted to talk about, like with

0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 3>relation to what you're saying here, is like the difference

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 3>between procedural and substantive democracy, because I think it's really

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:30.720
<v Speaker 3>important when we're looking at like what's happening in the US.

0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 3>So when we talk about like a lot of this

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:36.919
<v Speaker 3>language comes from the like nineteen nineties obsession with transitions

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 3>to democracy that happened a lot in political science, right,

0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 3>like and history to an extent, where we were looking

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 3>at these like post Soviet countries and post colonial countries

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:50.399
<v Speaker 3>and as they moved towards this like what's considered a

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 3>democracy in the kind of neoliberal frame, we talked about

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.360
<v Speaker 3>procedural and substantive democracy. So procedural democracy are things which

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 3>have the institutions and procedures in place. You vote, there

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 3>are elections, the ballots are cast, and that results in

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:07.920
<v Speaker 3>this case, the elector is going to electoral college and

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 3>the electoral college to delive as a president. And then

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 3>substantive democracy is where people have a substantive say, a

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 3>means of deciding who is in charge, right, who runs

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.200
<v Speaker 3>a state and the US is moving further and further

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 3>from substantive democracy.

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Like it's been.

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Interesting to see people bringing that like because of course

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 3>that nineteen nineties discourse was centered heavily in the US

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 3>right as like the paragon of democratic virtue, and then

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 3>it was used to condescend to other countries and be like, oh,

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 3>you're not a fully consolidated democracy. At them, Lindzen Stepan.

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 3>If people want to look up Linds and step Kind,

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 3>if they're reboard, they can. But they talk about like

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.200
<v Speaker 3>a consolidated democracy being one where democracy is the only

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 3>game in town. And all of this stuff was heavily

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.800
<v Speaker 3>based on kind of aspiring to be the US right

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 3>countries in Africa East when you're perspiring to be an

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 3>American democracy. And it's very funny now to see that

0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:01.359
<v Speaker 3>the US doesn't fit most definitions a substantive democracy or

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 3>a consolidated one, like it's not the only game in

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 3>town for millions of Americans anymore.

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 3>It's highly amusing.

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>My other amusings what I would call it absolutely James.

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny. It's just funny. Nothing that will happen,

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 3>it's fine.

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My other favorite example of like those of like

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 2>how bullshit those like democracy theorists were was like every

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 2>single one of those people the moment that Zapetas the

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 2>uprising happened, just like immediately shut the fuck up and

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 2>never mentioned it ever, Like it just does not come

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>up like the thing.

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:36.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean a lot of the like, yeah, a

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:38.440
<v Speaker 3>lot of them really had a lot of them also

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:42.679
<v Speaker 3>were like too busy looking at things, and like in Spain, right,

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 3>people looked at Spain's quote unquote transition as one of

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 3>the earlier models and then went on to model things

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 3>off Spain. Spain is at best an incomplete transition now right,

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 3>people paying attention to the most recent elections will maybe

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 3>have noticed this, Like Spain is, Spain is not a

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 3>country where democracies any game in town. Right, they had

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 3>an attempted to coup in nineteen eighty one, and so

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 3>like then they're kind of looking backwards off something because

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 3>Spain was satisfactorly democratic for them that it said he

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 3>wasn't for a lot of Spanish people.

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:14.479
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, not a big fan.

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I don't know about you guys, but I

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 1>think there's nothing wrong with the way we did side

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:22.679
<v Speaker 1>things of democracies.

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 3>God gave it on the tablets to some old white

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 3>men they had slaves, and that that is good.

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Great.

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been funny also watching those people trying to

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 2>like actually go back and look at like at what

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 2>point the US became like a democracy in any real sense,

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, really, like, if you're gonna do this seriously,

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 2>you cannot argue that it was a democracy until like

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>after Jim Crow, so like really like the sixties and

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.679
<v Speaker 2>even then, so like I don't know, like there's been

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of attempts to sort of make the stuff work.

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>But then also you have all of this bullshit where

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>again like because because it's based on this elector shit,

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you can like this is how Trump was able to

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 2>like to try to do all this very weird stuff.

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 2>And this is the sort of you know, this is

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>the part where we get into like Trump's second plan,

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 2>which his plan, and this is the one he's actually

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 2>getting charged for. So his thing was he was trying

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>to get states to just like ignore the popular vote

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 2>and decertified. So there's this process where like there's a

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>day on which like the electors that do the electoral

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>votes are like certified. And so his he was he

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 2>was trying to do a couple of things before that.

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 2>He was trying to like get the actual electors like

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 2>not certified and then have like another set of electors

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and pointed that would vote for him, and then that

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't work, and so he was trying to get so

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 2>like on that same day, there were also a bunch

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 2>of slates of electors that like like did like a

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 2>fake appointment thing, basically like trying to claim they were

0:28:53.920 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 2>the real electors in a bunch of states. Yeah. Yeah,

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>And this one was funny too because like some of

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the people who were like who like were on these

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 2>slates like didn't know that they weren't the real electors,

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Like they had just been told that they were the

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 2>real so they like unwittingly were like part of this

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 2>coup attempt. And so the indictment, So that's the second part,

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and so that also was kind of falling apart, And

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>so then we get to the sort of third thing,

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>which is this entire effort to get Mike Pence to

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>not certify the election or so that this trit version

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>of one was that he doesn't certify the election at all,

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and the second version of conspiracy was like so there

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>were these states set up where Trump had put like

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 2>a second slate of electors, and the plan was to

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>like have those are like contested states, and so the

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>plan was to have Pence say that, like none of

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 2>those states had actually vowdly selected electors, so their votes

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 2>don't matter, and then just like say that Trump won

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>the election, and none of this makes anything. And the

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 2>reason this is like incomprehensible is like none of this

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>makes any sense, right, Like this is all just gibberish bullshit. Yeah,

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>but but into this mess drops Danny Quail. Now I

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>think everyone, so you two know who Daddy Quail is.

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 2>I I'm realizing I was running into people when I

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>when I've been talking about this sort of story I'm

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>about to tell who don't know who Danny Quayle is.

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 2>And I I feel I have a moral obligation to

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 2>introduce this guy.

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, give the man his full name here, James Danforth Quail. God,

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know his name was dan fourth Oh yeah,

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, no determinism and its finest.

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 2>So Quail, I think, is probably most famous for she

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 2>was stee j W. Bush's vice president, right, And so okay,

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>so I want to tell the actual full So the

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>common version of the story that happens is that he

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know he didn't know how his pew potato, and

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 2>that's true, but the actual story is so much funnier

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>than that. So okay, Quail is so okay, Quail is

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.239
<v Speaker 2>is Georgie's Bush's vice president. Right, It's nineteen ninety two,

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 2>like the like they're on They're like starting to go

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>into election season, yea. And Quail goes to like this

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 2>spelling bee that's happening in this elementary school to like

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>promote some random.

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I horrible idea.

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and so so kid. He asked this kid to

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 2>spell potato and the kid walks up and the kid

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>spells pano correctly. This kid is like eight right, this

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>is like it is like mighty so and then I

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Quail looks at it and looks at the Apparently they

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>had a card that was spelled wrong. But Quail doesn't

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 2>realize that the card is spelled wrong, so he goes

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>to the board. He looks at the kid and goes,

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>but you need to have someone to card and this

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 2>kid is just baffled because she spelled the hito correctly.

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Are you talking about the vice President of the United

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 1>That kid's an anarchist.

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Now, like, there's there's no way someone did all follow

0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>up with him. Apparently he like he's like a small

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 2>business owner or something, and he just tell us the

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 2>story all the time. Very funny, but okay, this was

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 2>a period of American history like this, like is one

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.239
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons that George H. W. Bush didn't win

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 2>re election Like this broke twelve unbroken years of Republicans

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>winning every single election.

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Based he does seem like a plant. Like I don't

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 3>know if you've got some of his other ridiculous Oh

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm gona.

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Of this quote. Okay, so less you think Quail just

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 2>had like one flub, Like, no, she's just like this.

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna read a couple of So there's like a

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 2>bunch of people who spent a bunch of time extensively

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>documenting Dan Quayle quotes because that's what you did on

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the internet in the nineties. Yeah, okay, the Holocaust was

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>an obscene period in our nation's history, I mean this

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 2>century's history. But we all lived in this century. I

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't live in this century.

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I want to diagram that one, Like what, Yeah, well,

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>cocaine was really kicking in.

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, she has this kind of in this same

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 2>way that Trump has, like this cant in which he

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>does all of his incorportensiable things, Like Quail also has

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 2>a can't like. He does this kind of thing where

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:10.479
<v Speaker 2>he does the like he says a sentence and then

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 2>he says, I mean something else, I mean something else,

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and it does none of them follows from the other one,

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 2>so he does one of the other famous ones. Hawaii

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 2>has always been a pivotal a pivotal role in the Pacific.

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 2>It is in the Pacific. It is a part of

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the United States. That is an island that is right there.

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Fuck, that's very famously he went on to write large

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>portions of Wikipedia, so that that makes a lot of sense.

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 2>It's so good. Yeah, quails are in.

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Wikipedia calls him an intellectual lightweight and incompetent individual Wells,

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 3>which is not untrue.

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Pretty hard to argue about that.

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mars is essentially in the same orbit. Mars is

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 2>somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important.

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>We have seen pictures where their canals, we believe and water.

0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 2>oxygen means we can breathe.

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh good, Okay, Wow, there's a lot of science coming

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 1>out of that statements.

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Man was vice president of the United States. We have

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a firm commitment to NATO. We are a part of NATO.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 2>part of Europe.

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, he's so good. Well now you see, Maya,

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you just you you were not you are not up

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>on your your geographic history because the mountain ranges in

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Scotland are the same mountain range as the Appellachians, so

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 1>technically we are in Europe.

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>In many ways. Damn, I've been styled on by Dan Quayle.

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 2>There you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, now okay, other

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 2>than the fact that it's really funny, you like, why

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 2>why am I talking about Danny Quayle, And the answer

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 2>is that. Okay. So remember Trump needs for his like

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 2>completely nonsense thing to like even kind of go to

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 2>the next step of failing. He needs to convince Mike

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Pence and not certify the election. And Pence is like

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 2>legitimately going back and forward on this. He's like he's

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 2>having this like moral dilemma and like he like wants

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 2>to do it, but he's he's having problems making decisions,

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and so he calls his old friend Danny Quail. And

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I think this is a really fascinating moment of sort

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 2>of you know, like this, I think it's really fascinating

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>indication of like how off the rails everything has gotten

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 2>since we released in twenty sixteen, but like twenty twenty

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:28.879
<v Speaker 2>sort of just like accelerates the magnitude of this, which

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 2>is that like Quail is like the human symbol of

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the decrepitness of American politics in the eighties and nineties, right,

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.280
<v Speaker 2>like this is a guy who makes like senile regular

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>look like a genius, and in twenty twenty and twenty

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty one, like Pence is supposed to be one of

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 2>the like quote unquote adults in the room in twenty twenty,

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 2>and Pence goes to Quail and is like, what I

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>need to do this coup? Like I don't have a

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 2>choice of under so much pressure, And Danny Quail, the

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 2>man who can't spell potato, instantly is like, no, what

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about, Like you can't do this coup,

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 2>like obviously can't do this, and and Pence Pence just.

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 4>Like argues with him.

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>He's like no, no, Like he keeps arguing with him,

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:07.840
<v Speaker 2>like no, I have to do what I have to

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>do it, and Quails like what are you talking about?

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Like of course you can't like not certify the election,

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Like what what are you doing? And this actually works

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and this convinces Pence not to actually certify the election,

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and so you know, we we have reached a point

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 2>in history where like you can make an argument I

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.280
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's correct, but you can make an argument

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 2>that Danny fucking Quail saved the American Republic.

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 3>They say, just from two Republican presidents.

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I just I don't know. I can't get over this.

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just like Danny Quail is the voice of reason

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 2>and moderation and like, oh god, I don't know this country.

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 3>It's bizarre.

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing is is bizarre. Yeah, it's it's bleak.

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 2>We should do it, ad Brick, I don't have a

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 2>pivot there.

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of auto golpe gulp down these products automatic magic cool.

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.400
<v Speaker 4>And we are back to a bit more fraud.

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 2>So okay, the other thing is being yeah, this is

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 2>actually wait, this is actually fraud. No, I guess this

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 2>is the fraud one it's still a technically a fraud one.

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:32.399
<v Speaker 1>So that's part of it at least.

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So so we've reached the like third and fourth indictments.

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 2>It's actually really funny if you go read the thing,

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 2>all of the actual texts of the indictment with the

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.320
<v Speaker 2>evidence and stuff is all under the first indictment, and

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 2>then the second, third, and fourth ones are like, yeah,

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 2>go refer to ex paragraphs as like the first one.

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 2>So there's the second, third, and fourth like charges are

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 2>like like one paragraph long. But basically this is about

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 2>the January sixth stuff. They spend much time listening like

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 2>all of the random stuff that Trump said about the

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 2>election that was not true. They also have a very

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>funny list of all of the people who told him

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 2>that like this stuff wasn't true, which includes Mike Pence,

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 2>the leadership of the Justice Department, the Director of National Intelligence,

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.479
<v Speaker 2>the head of SISA, which is the Department of Homeland

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Security Cybersecurity Agency, a bunch of White House attorneys like

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>his own staff, and all of his politicians was backing.

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>He's like every single person was like this is not real,

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and Trump was like no, no, no, hold on, we

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 2>can still win the election. You know, Okay. So there's

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 2>like that stuff, and then there's the stuff that like

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 2>he like specifically did to like try to pressure these

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 2>state politicians into like certifying him as president. So like

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 2>they he had a bunch of calls and like his

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 2>like staff people had a bunch of calls. We were

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>like they tried to get like that the Speaker of

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 2>the House in Arizona to do this by saying they're

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 2>voting fraud. And the Speaker of the House was like, Okay,

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 2>there's no we haven't found any fraud. I'm gonna I'm

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna read from the thing co conspirator to you concluded

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 2>that he quote didn't know enough about the facts on

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 2>the ground in Arizona, but nonetheless told the Speaker of

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.879
<v Speaker 2>the House to decertify and quote let the court sort

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 2>it out. Sort it out. So again, this is this

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 2>is this is the Roger Stone strategy, but done like yes,

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 2>so unbelievably poorly. Yeah. Yeah, So and there's a bunch

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 2>of sort of like lists. There's like all this list

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 2>of like this like Trump does like identical stuff in

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 2>like Michigan and Pennsylvania. There's like that phone call in

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 2>Georgia he gets in trouble for some from Wisconsin. There's

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 2>another thing he tried to do, which I actually hadn't

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 2>heard about this one. I don't know. It's either I

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 2>just forgot it or I just never ran into it,

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 2>where he was trying to like use Justice Department letterhead

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.360
<v Speaker 2>and like the signature of the acting Attorney General to

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 2>like send the fate, like pretend to send a letter

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 2>from the Justice Departments to a bunch of states to

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 2>tell them there was fraud and get them to like.

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:05.279
<v Speaker 3>Amazing, Yeah, since I'm sick and I can't come to school. Yeah.

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:06.880
<v Speaker 2>And the funny thing is the problem is that.

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>They so they try to there's a lot that's funny

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 1>about that. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna see it. Yeah,

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:13.320
<v Speaker 1>we gotta plaralize that fucker.

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 2>It's so good. And the scheme falls apart because again

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 2>the guy Trump appoints it as the acting Attorney General

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>is like, no, like, you cannot just department, and they

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 2>keep trying to argue with him, and it keeps not working.

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.800
<v Speaker 2>And this is where we get to another part of

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing that I this has been getting a

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of press attention and it's interesting, but I think

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 2>there's more to the story that people haven't been talking about,

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 2>which is so the guy who's probably Jeffrey Clark, like

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.360
<v Speaker 2>gets into an argument with the Deputy White House Council

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>and the w White House Council is you know, is

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 2>telling is telling Jeffrey Clark, who thinks one of Trumps

0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:53.919
<v Speaker 2>lawyers is telling him like like Trump can't stay in office,

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Like there's no version of this where Trump stays in

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 2>office after like January twentieth, and he says, quote, they

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 2>would be right, it's in every major American city. And

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.920
<v Speaker 2>then the guy who's probably Clark says, quote, well, Deputy

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:09.320
<v Speaker 2>White House Counsel, that's why there's an insurrection Act. And

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 2>this is where we need to get to another a

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 2>couple of interesting parts of the story.

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>One, you know, one clear, when you're saying that's why

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 1>we have an insurrection Act, you're saying we can just

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>shoot those people, yeah, in the streets, Like that is

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 1>what that statement means. Yeah, and that is what the

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 1>stakes were. Everybody was out in the streets in twenty

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty was aware of this.

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yeah, you know, this is the thing I

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of want to talk about, which is that like

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 2>part of the reason this coup fails is that so

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Trump is talking about doing the Insurrection Act twice in

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. Well, I guess once in twenty twenty. I

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>think this might have been the second time. I've been

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:47.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, but like in that last year, she

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 2>tries to use the Insurrection Act against the uprising in

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, and his like his chief of staff like

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of like a bunch of generals, and

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 2>his own chief of staff like tell them the fuck off.

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 2>And that's like part of the reason why this didn't happen,

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 2>which which is interesting because like I don't know, like

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.279
<v Speaker 2>there there have been, like there have been times where

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 2>the US Army like has been deployed against like riots

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.240
<v Speaker 2>like this, right, like this this happened in the nineties.

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 2>But in this situation, the army just like absolutely completely

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 2>refuse to play ball. And we've we've gotten some really

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:28.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of interesting So the other thing that's happening here

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 2>is like just the complete hollowing out of journalism as

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 2>an institution where all of these people know all of

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.280
<v Speaker 2>the all these journalists like know a bunch of incredibly

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 2>important stuff and they won't tell anyone because they they're

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 2>saving it for their books, yep. And you know, and

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:43.879
<v Speaker 2>it's like among the things that we sort of learned

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 2>in this period is like there there's basically this like

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you call it, Like you could

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 2>either call it like a quad um for it basically,

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 2>or you could call it like a national unity government

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 2>which is in power for two weeks basically where Pelosi Miley,

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 2>who uh the chief of Staff who is a general

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 2>like Mike Pence, Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell basically are

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 2>like running the government for two weeks because they've successfully

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 2>put together this counter coup where like the military has

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 2>refused to like go along with Trump like trying to

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 2>overthrow the government. And this is very deeply I don't know,

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 2>there's some very deeply interesting stuff here where there's there's

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 2>a there's a book called Iolone Can Fix It, which

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 2>a couple of journalists are coming out with and there's

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 2>some interesting quotes from it from specifically General Mike Miley,

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 2>who's like the chairman of the Joint chiefs of Staff,

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.320
<v Speaker 2>who was appointed by Trump. By the way, this this

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 2>is this is an important thing because like Trump, there's

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.840
<v Speaker 2>like seven guys who are like absolute ghouls, like Mike Pompeo,

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 2>like Cia ghoul who are just like look at this

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 2>coup and are like no, and Miley stuff is wild.

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Like Miley directly can like in meetings, is comparing Trump

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 2>to Hitler. He says, quote, Yeah, this is a Reichstag moment.

0:43:56.200 --> 0:44:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Miley told aids the Gospel of the Fearer, like and.

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 1>There's there's a I talked about this a little bit

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 1>ahead of earlier. There are some unconfirmed reports that Miley

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and a number of other like US military high ranking officers,

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>basically had like a book club, and one of the

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>books they went through in twenty twenty was a book

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 1>about the Nazis' rise to power in Germany. I kind

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>of suspect it might have been Death of a Democracy

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 1>because that was big at the time. But it would

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 1>make sense because he's talking in substantial detail about like

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 1>he's very you can tell he's very focused in this

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 1>period on Nazis taking over the government, Like he talks

0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>about it a lot.

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm gonna read a couple other quotes from him.

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 2>He has this thing where I think I think he's

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 2>talking about payoh. Here where he's talking about like this coup,

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 2>and he says they may try, but they're not going

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 2>to fucking succeed. He told them, you can't do this

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 2>without the military. You can't do this without the CIA

0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 2>and the FBI. We're the guys with the guns. And

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 2>he's right about this. And this is a really crucial

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 2>thing that Trump fucks up about how to do a

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 2>fascist coup is that you can't actually, like fascist coups

0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:00.319
<v Speaker 2>don't work without the at least passive acquiescence of the state.

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Like if the state triest, if the army tries to

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 2>stop you, your coup is not going to work, right like,

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 2>unless you're someone like Franco who like has control of

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 2>a huge portion of the army, if you try to

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 2>do one of these sort of weird paramilitary things and

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the army just says no, like you're screwed. And this, this,

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I think was always part of trump sort of problem,

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.839
<v Speaker 2>was that, like, you know, if he'd sort of spent

0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.759
<v Speaker 2>his time consolidating the kind of like fascist institutions the

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.359
<v Speaker 2>neo cons set up, right like, if he'd spent his time,

0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 2>like you know, actually like actually developing loyalty in the FBI,

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 2>and the CIA and like going through and like turning

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:39.919
<v Speaker 2>Department Homeland Security, like you know, into like an even

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 2>more fascist organization. He might have been able to do this,

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 2>but like at the very end, like you have Miley

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 2>saying this is this is on h right, this is

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 2>on exercises right before the inauguration. He says, quote, here's

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the deal, guys, these guys are the Notre Nazis. They're

0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 2>bugalou boys, they're proud boys. These are the same people

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 2>we fought in Woodwar too. Miley told them everyone in

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.440
<v Speaker 2>this room, whether you're a cop, whether you're a soldier,

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 2>we're going to stop these guys to make sure we

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:08.800
<v Speaker 2>have a peaceful transfer of power. We're gonna put a

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 2>steel ring around the city and the Nazis aren't getting in, Like.

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 1>You know what credit where That's a pretty cool thing

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:18.919
<v Speaker 1>to get to have said.

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:25.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so something like some basically him and zookep. Yeah,

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 2>it's like like all of like suddenly, like the all

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.280
<v Speaker 2>of like the senior command of the American Army suddenly

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 2>turned into like nineteen forty two American generals.

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't know, I guess again, I try

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to say this, I try to bring this up a

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 1>lot to like more radical folks when you if you

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 1>want to get a lot of like the centrist lib

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 1>types on your side, you could do a lot worse

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 1>than Hearkening back to that whole World War two thing,

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of propaganda invested in getting guys like

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Millie to want to feel like that.

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:58.280
<v Speaker 2>So and in this case it works.

0:46:58.120 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 3>Out for it.

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently don't know, Live Live, Antifa has poor has

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:03.680
<v Speaker 2>pulled one out.

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:08.279
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's certainly better than if the head of

0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 1>the military had been like, I guess I'm fine with this,

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:15.840
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, whatever, I don't know. Yeah, I have no

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:20.719
<v Speaker 1>complaints are his performance in that specific moment, uh, other

0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 1>than that they did actually get in so you know whatever,

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Like that was.

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.000
<v Speaker 2>When they were drilling for the inauguration.

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 3>When they stuffed the capital with National God soldiers like

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 3>a sausage.

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was just I guess it worked.

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 2>My other conclusion from this though, is when when you

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 2>have reached the position of like you're you're trying to

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 2>figure like your top generals are trying to figure out

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 2>who has enough guns to figure out whether a coup

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 2>can happen like things are things are not good. This

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 2>is a this is a a bad sign TM for.

0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:59.360
<v Speaker 1>No, it's it's good, like as nice as it is

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:03.279
<v Speaker 1>to here that Milly understood the stakes, which is good.

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 1>It's good that he understood the stakes given his position.

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 1>It's not good that like so much came down to

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the fact that a couple dudes didn't suck in this

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:18.440
<v Speaker 1>specific way. Like, that's not a great sign for stability

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 1>of democracy. Yeah, because no one voted for Miley, like right, Yeah,

0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:27.080
<v Speaker 1>that's unsettling. Yeah, the whole democratic system was more or

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 1>less of the edge of failing. And a dude who

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:30.640
<v Speaker 1>was good at war step ten and was like, here, okay,

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:31.840
<v Speaker 1>we can't I don't want to do this.

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 2>One of those things, right, we know what this looks like.

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 2>With Bush, We're like, if you actually know how to

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.120
<v Speaker 2>press the buttons of the system, right, you can't do this.

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 2>But Trump just like didn't have enough control of the

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.239
<v Speaker 2>state apparatus and tried to sort of replicate it with

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 2>true viles, and that just didn't work. Trump's problems here

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 2>are twofold. One of them is that he is not

0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 2>capable of loyalty to anyone or anything else.

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Whereas a guy like George W. Bush, which means he's

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:04.359
<v Speaker 1>capable of getting teams together who are willing to take

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 1>some of like who are willing to go out on

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:09.720
<v Speaker 1>a limb for him to some extent. And Bush also

0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>is system loyal. Now that doesn't mean he's not willing

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:14.920
<v Speaker 1>to fuck with the system for his own benefit, but

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:19.160
<v Speaker 1>he has a vested interest in the system continuing more

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>or less the way that it has right as opposed

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 1>to breaking it specifically forever for his own like power.

0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, he was not a guy who was interested

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 1>in staying in office for it. I don't say this

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to defend the man. He killed hundreds of thousands of

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:37.680
<v Speaker 1>people minimum, But because he was willing, he had a

0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:41.200
<v Speaker 1>degree of loyalty to the system as it was seen

0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>by most people. There was not this kind of rebellion

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 1>from sort of within it, right like, in fact, that

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 1>deep state was largely sympathetic with him. They were willing

0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to go with like the fucking around with the election

0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 1>as long as, you know, the broader structures that had

0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:01.440
<v Speaker 1>given them a place to exert power and influence remained intact.

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.440
<v Speaker 1>And Trump was basically saying, if Millie had gone with this.

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 1>If everyone had gone with this, what you are accepting

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 1>is that nothing matters but this guy's opinion, right, there's

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 1>not actually any sort of power in the system that

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:16.839
<v Speaker 1>you have risen to the top of. There's not any

0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of power in these unelected structures within the system

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 1>that you clearly think are important because they are how

0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 1>you why like where you have seen success right like?

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 1>And frankly, you know people aren't willing to do that

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:35.839
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. And also you're fighting against a lot

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 1>of people who want to whatever fucked up things they

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 1>are willing to do. They have a lot emotionally invested

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 1>in the idea that they serve a democracy. Now is

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:51.440
<v Speaker 1>that a morally flawless idea? Are they always? In fact? Like? No,

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:55.880
<v Speaker 1>of course not like everyone. They're hypocrites to certain extents,

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:59.759
<v Speaker 1>But you can't push them that far like Bush pushed

0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:01.880
<v Speaker 1>them about as far as you can push people like that,

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 1>right this. Trump didn't have any respect for making it,

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 1>for dressing it up right, and he didn't have any

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>respect for the thing that they were a part of,

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and so of course a lot of them didn't go

0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:15.200
<v Speaker 1>with him.

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think this gets back to something I've

0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 2>talked about a bit with with what what the neocons

0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 2>were doing, which that the neocons are about like the

0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:25.920
<v Speaker 2>state of exception, right, they're about this, like you know,

0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 2>we've had the war, we now have the war on terror.

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 2>We've had nine to eleven. And that means the countries

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:31.320
<v Speaker 2>in this state were like, we have the power to

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 2>be like the people inside the system who are outbound

0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 2>by it, you could do whatever you want. And like

0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:38.440
<v Speaker 2>that is descriptively right, like this is you know, both

0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Carl Schmidt, the like Nazi jurists like that that was

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:43.200
<v Speaker 2>explicitly like his model of how you do fascism, right,

0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:46.320
<v Speaker 2>and it's also like something you know, but but the

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 2>thing is again like that's a very different thing than

0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 2>what Trump was doing, right, Like Trump wasn't doing like

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Trump wasn't doing this thing where he like you know,

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:58.520
<v Speaker 2>uses the apparatus of the state. He was he was

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:02.000
<v Speaker 2>doing a different, like different kind of one of them.

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:04.280
<v Speaker 1>This is what a lot of people don't understand about

0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:07.800
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis is that whin Hitler took power and for

0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:11.720
<v Speaker 1>the first half to two thirds of his time in power,

0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:17.640
<v Speaker 1>he was very much concerned about the military and constantly

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:22.840
<v Speaker 1>making exceptions and altering and moderating aspects of his policy

0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>in order to keep the military on his side. And

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that continued, depending on kind of where you want to

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 1>put it, either up until the Anschlusser, up until the

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:36.439
<v Speaker 1>invasion of Poland. Really to a significant extent he would

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.800
<v Speaker 1>whereas Trump did not. Again, there's no sort of he

0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:42.360
<v Speaker 1>has no sort of respect. And I'm not saying like

0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 1>you should have respect for the military, but I'm saying

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:49.439
<v Speaker 1>that because he did not like power. Yeah, the fact

0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:51.959
<v Speaker 1>that he did not, or the FBI for that matter,

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:54.680
<v Speaker 1>is one of the reasons why this didn't work for him.

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this was always kind of a problem that

0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:58.640
<v Speaker 2>he has ideologically, which is like one of the things

0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 2>that makes it popular is he was running like against

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the deep state, right and like yeah, like yeah, like

0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I know lots of people you like, I don't like

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the intelligence Agency's, Like the intelligence's can fuck off. The

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 2>fact that like the fact that the intelligence agency's finally

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.239
<v Speaker 2>found a coup they wouldn't support, Like it's not as

0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:13.880
<v Speaker 2>something they're good, but the pretended Yeah. But like the

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 2>problem with this is like Trump is you know, he

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:19.759
<v Speaker 2>wins the primary like very explicitly by running against a

0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of the like like by Nay running against neo conservatives,

0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:24.799
<v Speaker 2>you can argue the extent to which he actually broke

0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:26.759
<v Speaker 2>with it in terms of like appointing like Gena, he

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:28.920
<v Speaker 2>puts a bunch of neo Kon Grugles like back in power, right,

0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 2>but like like nominally he's running against that specific thing.

0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:34.480
<v Speaker 2>And it turns out that like if if you if

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 2>your appeal is you know, being like a nominally anti

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 2>systemic force, and then you have to try to use

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the as system to stay in power. It's like, well,

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you know this, this happens like now you are getting

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:49.640
<v Speaker 2>charged by Jack Smith and you have like seventy eight

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 2>counts against you instead of you are now the fearer.

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of it is you know, first off,

0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:00.760
<v Speaker 1>people want to be able to believe now things about

0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.360
<v Speaker 1>themselves and Trump didn't really give them the option of

0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:07.400
<v Speaker 1>doing that. And second of all, people who are achieved

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.719
<v Speaker 1>this kind of level within the system want you to

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 1>treat the system. They've succeeded in this if it matters,

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Like it's that simple. I think in a lot of yas.

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 3>They want I feel validated and valued, And he was

0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:22.120
<v Speaker 3>just like no, fuck you all I'm doing my gu

0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:24.920
<v Speaker 3>and with genuinely shock where people like, well, we ain't coming.

0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:27.840
<v Speaker 1>With you for you're I don't I really feel no

0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:32.480
<v Speaker 1>no desire or no uh no impetus to move with you. Yeah, anyway,

0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 1>this is a good idea.

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I don't know, we'll we'll, we'll see what

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:41.200
<v Speaker 2>happens with these indictments. I don't know. I I genuine

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:42.840
<v Speaker 2>this is the importance. Yeah, this is the one that,

0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 2>like all the indictments, this is the one that matters.

0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know.

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:49.239
<v Speaker 2>We'll, we'll see if this actually substantively plays a role

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.399
<v Speaker 2>in the election. I mean, I I don't think there's

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:54.799
<v Speaker 2>a possibility that I can cost Trump the primary, like.

0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:58.880
<v Speaker 1>But no, no, no, no, yeah, nothing nothing but like

0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:04.160
<v Speaker 1>a heart attack could do that. But it is I

0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 1>will say I had some other stuff prepared that I

0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:08.200
<v Speaker 1>think we'll move to another episode just because of how

0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:09.880
<v Speaker 1>this has gone. But I do want to note I

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:11.279
<v Speaker 1>want to talk a little bit at the end here

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:15.839
<v Speaker 1>about is this going to matter like electorally for Trump?

0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Is this going to have an impact on his chances

0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>of winning the general? I think we're all agreed it's

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 1>not really worth talking about the primary. He's going to

0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:26.759
<v Speaker 1>win the primary barring and act of God and that's

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:31.520
<v Speaker 1>where what Yeah, anyway, so there's some infoll on this. Basically,

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:34.680
<v Speaker 1>on March twenty ninth, he was averaging about forty five

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:39.200
<v Speaker 1>percent in national primary polls, which I'm bringing up here

0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:41.399
<v Speaker 1>because they help show the impact of the indictment because

0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 1>you don't have a lot of national polls from that time,

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:48.160
<v Speaker 1>a national general election polls. So forty five percent in March.

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 1>After his first set of indictments in April, he was

0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 1>up to fifty four percent, So that first set of

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 1>indictments did not harm him, may have helped him consolidate power,

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:02.880
<v Speaker 1>may have like activated a chunk of his base. The

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 1>second indictment did not work the same way though. After

0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 1>June eighth, when it was reported that he was being

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.520
<v Speaker 1>indicted for the classified document shit and obstructing justice and

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 1>getting them back yea, his average support in the primary

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 1>fell not by a massive amount, by a couple of

0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:23.920
<v Speaker 1>percentage points, as did his average net favorable rating. So

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:27.360
<v Speaker 1>you saw at least a he hit a wall and

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:31.280
<v Speaker 1>bounced back a little bit, not massive, not a sea change,

0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:34.439
<v Speaker 1>but enough to show that it's not accurate to say

0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:37.120
<v Speaker 1>voters don't care. It's more accurate to say, based on

0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:39.960
<v Speaker 1>what we've seen so far, voters seem to care differently

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:43.919
<v Speaker 1>about different indictments, and I want to read a quote

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:46.600
<v Speaker 1>from a five point thirty eight article about his indictment

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.120
<v Speaker 1>poles here. Although we can't prove that all these shifts

0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:51.400
<v Speaker 1>happen because of the indictments, the difference in reaction at

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:54.400
<v Speaker 1>least suggests that Americans are drawing distinctions between Trump's various

0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:57.279
<v Speaker 1>legal troubles and other polling backs that up. According to

0:56:57.360 --> 0:57:00.760
<v Speaker 1>a Yugov Yahoo News poll from July thirteenth through seventeenth,

0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 1>fifty percent of registered voters considered falsifying business records to

0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:06.759
<v Speaker 1>conceal hush money payments to a porn star to be

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.840
<v Speaker 1>a serious crime, but sixty four percent of registered voters

0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:12.800
<v Speaker 1>consider it a serious crime to take highly classified documents

0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>from the White House and obstruct efforts to retrieve them. Similarly,

0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:17.920
<v Speaker 1>a June twenty second to twenty sixth poll from the

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Associated Press NRC Center for Public Affairs Research found that

0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:24.160
<v Speaker 1>only thirty five percent of US adults thought Trump did

0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 1>something illegal when it came to the hush money payments.

0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>But fifty three percent thought he did something illegal with

0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 1>regards to classified documents founded his Maroologu resort in Florida.

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:35.920
<v Speaker 1>By this logic, this third indictment could be even more

0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:38.920
<v Speaker 1>damaging to Trump than the one involving classified documents. According

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:41.240
<v Speaker 1>to the same Yuga of Yahoo News poll, sixty nine

0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:44.560
<v Speaker 1>percent of registered voters considered it a serious crime to

0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 1>attempt to obstruct the certification of a presidential election, and

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:50.560
<v Speaker 1>seventy one percent said the same about conspiring to overturn

0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.560
<v Speaker 1>the results of a presidential election. So gonna take us

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<v Speaker 1>troubling you low number, but yeah, yeah, I wish it

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<v Speaker 1>way it should be high.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing that does suggest that this could do him some damage,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially since all of this is going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>getting litigated, right like fucking people who get who have

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<v Speaker 1>a decent lawyer and get arrested for like a duy

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<v Speaker 1>can drag a court case out.

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<v Speaker 2>For a year. This will be going on during the election.

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<v Speaker 2>It may hurt him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know again, I'm not willing to like say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to fuck the election, make it impossible

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<v Speaker 1>from begause, I don't think the data suggests that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it there's I think a pretty good chance that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a net negative for him in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the election and broadly speaking, you know, we gave the

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<v Speaker 1>Dims a lot of shit for a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>for not doing enough to actually seriously strike back at

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican authoritarian outreach, and so it would be unfair

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<v Speaker 1>of me to not say it's good that they're doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's good that he's facing legal trouble for what

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<v Speaker 1>he's done. That's not enough to stop him, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>enough to stop the Republican Party, but it is good

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<v Speaker 1>that this has been done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, progress. Shame wasn't earlier, should have been earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, h happening during the election is a major

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<v Speaker 3>l in terms of how he can spin this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I think that was probably a strategic error, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Grand juries take forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the other thing that's happens is like there's

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<v Speaker 2>been all of this time for sort of Republican pr

0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:28.960
<v Speaker 2>machine to like spin all of the stuff that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've you know, and I think like part of

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't happening the last three years is like everyone kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just like collectively forgetting what actually happened during twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty and how absolutely nuts it was, and everyone sort

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<v Speaker 2>of going back and pretending that like things are sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like normal now, and it's like, no, no, we're

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<v Speaker 2>still we're still living in the eternal twenty twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>everything is still absolutely nuts. But I don't know, It's

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<v Speaker 2>like there's been this incredible sort of like normalization effort,

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<v Speaker 2>both both by Biden and also like by the Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>to make it seemed like this was like a normal

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<v Speaker 2>thing that happened, as opposed to like the immediate wake it,

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<v Speaker 2>where everyone was like what the fuck? So hopefully not

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<v Speaker 2>too little, too late, hopefully this does something. But she'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed, all right, well everybody, uh you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess go back to pay in rent and stuff. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure twenty twenty four will be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it wouldn't be any problem.

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