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Speaker 1: Grave robbing tonight. Yeah, there's a long rich history this country. Actually,

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Speaker 1: way more decent. They wouldn't do something like this even

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00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: back been like they're doing it now. I just realized

424
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: when I said that, how that sounded. The most most

425
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: grave overcense days are women. Ever since the seventies, come

426
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: a long way, baby, so uh was that add Never mind? Um,

427
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: here's what also happened. People are stealing bodies out of graves,

428
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of work. So some enterprising dude said,

429
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: here's what we'll do. Let's just forget the graveyards and

430
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: let's just find out when people have died. They kind

431
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: of live out in the sticks in rural areas, and

432
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: we'll just go pretend to be a family member and

433
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: they're really poor and they won't know, and we'll say

434
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: we'll take care of the body for you, and they

435
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: would just take the body right away from the family

436
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: and then that's it. They would have the body, no must,

437
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: no fuss, And somebody be like, who is that that

438
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: took the body. I don't care. They took the body.

439
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: I don't have to bury the body, So do you care? No,

440
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: I don't care. Well I don't care either. Then shut up.

441
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: That's how those conversations went. Yeah, we found actual texts.

442
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: You could you could also go into. Um, the hospitals,

443
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: the big hospitals, like guys in London City Hospital had

444
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: like their own graveyards, so indigent patients who died there

445
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: would just be buried. They're free of charge and I'm

446
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: sure the grave robbers were like, what are you doing?

447
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: Because they would break into these graveyards that were very

448
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: largely unpatrolled, and they would dig up the body and

449
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: then go sell the body to a different hospital. So

450
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: the body would be a patient one day, die, be buried,

451
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: be dug up, and then be sold into another hospital

452
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours sometimes Yeah, But what that does

453
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: do is underscores how they revered the body, and they

454
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: respected the dead body, because you would think the hospital

455
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: would just think, no, one's claiming, this body, got a

456
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: cadaver on my hands, we can use this for medical research.

457
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: But no, they would still bury the body, which kind

458
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: of was the tone of what was going on. So

459
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: this was I know, uh Murphy's contemporary or predecessor, at

460
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: least retired wealthy Mr Crouch. Murphy himself at one point

461
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: made a hundred forty four pounds and one day, which

462
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: is about ten thousand dollars in today's dollars, by stealing

463
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: twelve corpses in one I guess overnight period, which was amazing.

464
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: And the London cops figured they had two hundred grave

465
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: robbers working in London alone, and ten of those were

466
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: full time grave robbers. They were able to quit their

467
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: other job, which was probably a big day in the household. Honey,

468
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: I have really big news. You're gonna be so proud.

469
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: I can stop robbing orphans. I can just do grave

470
00:27:48,400 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: robbing full time stand up guys. So, uh, this was

471
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: going on way back then, obviously, but evidence of this

472
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: we have found over the years, kind of recently, um

473
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: and at the Medical College of Georgia. Well, here's the thing.

474
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: If you go to renovate the basement of your really

475
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: old hospital, just get ready for what you're gonna find

476
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: down here. It's not just a matter of tearing up

477
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: the tile floors and ripping down the dry wall. You

478
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: start digging around in the basement of an old hospital,

479
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna find some horrors going on. And they did

480
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: this in nine at the Medical College of Georgia and

481
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: found ten thousand bones just scattered in the basement of

482
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: who knows who and so like. At some point, the

483
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: idea that surgery and anatomy was based on stolen body

484
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: was lost to humanity, right, So when this kind of

485
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: thing comes out these days, everyone's like, all they're serial killers,

486
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: serial killers, And then somebody who's actually studied history comes

487
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: forward and says, no, actually, they got some weird news

488
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: about surgery and anatomy. They would steal the bodies, come

489
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: them open, and then just mass bury the bones and say,

490
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's crazy. And then they'd sit there

491
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: for a second and then you forget what they just

492
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: heard and go back to normal. And then a few

493
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: years later somebody else would discover some bones somewhere else,

494
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: like on Craven Street, in the house where Ben Franklin

495
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: rented for like twenty seven years. Right, yeah, whereas Craven

496
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: Street is there no longer the street. We just assume

497
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: because you all live in the city, you know where

498
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Craven Street is it not around? Is there no more

499
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: Craven Street? It's NICs, thank you. I thought they buried

500
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: Craven Street. They well, they found fifteen people, the bones

501
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: of fifteen people in this house on Craven Street that

502
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: Ben Franklin right in. And of course everyone said Franklin

503
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: was a serial killer. And the same guy came forwards

504
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: like I told you this before. Um, they used to

505
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: dig up bodies, cut them open basis of anatomy. I'm

506
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: going back here, look at the bones. Monty python reference.

507
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: No someone, that's four. I don't know what that one was,

508
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: but that was number four. That's from Holy Grail. What

509
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 1: what part when the rabbit and the cave remember, and uh,

510
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: he's talking about the rabbit with the huge point of

511
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: teeth and he goes look at the bones. No one,

512
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: all right. I don't know if that's a legitimate quote

513
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: like it may have been said in the movie, but

514
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: it's a quote for me, like we say, neat, that's

515
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: a quote. Yeah, that's true, to look at the bones.

516
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. That was very funny line. Not

517
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: tonight when it's terrible, but when I saw the movie

518
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: back then, I thought it was great. When I saw

519
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: that movie nineteen times. So most recently right here in

520
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: London in two thousand six, uh, at London Hospital. You

521
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: might this might have been on the news. They discovered

522
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty two burials at London Hospital and

523
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: five hundred individuals in the yard there that we're missing

524
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: their skull caps and they had basically skeletons that still

525
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: had wires connecting themselves. It seems wrong if you're gonna

526
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: if you're gonna steal a body articulate the skeleton and

527
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: then go to the trouble of reburying it, disarticulate the skeleton.

528
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: At the very least, just clip the wires off. At

529
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: least that's a T shirt. It's not a good T shirt,

530
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: but that's two hundred sixty two burials and five hundred bodies.

531
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: You do the math. Not everyone has their own plot,

532
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Hey,

533
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: hey win quick nudge nudge. So if that's five, oh wow,

534
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: yeah we did it. But we did get out everyone

535
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: nice time. So uh, this was going on the States,

536
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: like we said, but as we implied earlier, as long

537
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: as these were kind of marginalized people or they were

538
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: slave graveyards, no one really got their hackles up. But

539
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: something happened in New York City in su called the

540
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: Doctor's Riot of New York of se I think that's

541
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: the full title. And there's two ways the story goes down.

542
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: One is is way funnier than the other one. Um.

543
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: The first is that these boys were playing in a

544
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: hospital in New York and they saw him just an arm,

545
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: a white arm hanging in the window guests to cure

546
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: or dry or whatever, and they were disturbed and went home.

547
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: This is this's the stupid one. It's not very good.

548
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: The other version is these boys were playing near a

549
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: hospital in New York and they looked in a window

550
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: and the anatomus took a white arm and waved with it.

551
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: He hello, young man, come here. He's my favorite anatomists.

552
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: And so that that's the version we like to believe.

553
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: And at any rate, they went home and they told

554
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: their parents, and and one of their fathers had just

555
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: recently lost his wife, and he got worried that it

556
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: might be her because he knew grave robbing was a thing,

557
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: and he went and found that her grave had in

558
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: fact been dug up, and was a little angry to say,

559
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: and he spun in a circle of rage that managed

560
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: to attract five thousand other people in New York at

561
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: the time, and they started one hell of a riot.

562
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: It went over for I think like two three days.

563
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: Twenty people died and they called it an anatomy riot.

564
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: And the reason it was an anatomy right, because they

565
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: tried to find every dead body they could in the hospital,

566
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: which they found a few, and they beat some doctors

567
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: along the way, and then afterwards they went to the

568
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: Medical College, and apparently word had gotten from the hospital

569
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: to the Medical College x NA on the Oddies Bay,

570
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: and they got rid of all of them, right and um.

571
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: So when they went and stormed the Medical college, they

572
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: didn't find anything, and they're like, well, our rage is

573
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: is not satiated, and what like a little known footnote

574
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: to this whole thing. When they got to the Medical College,

575
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: Alexander Hamilton was standing there. They all said, Alexander Hamilton,

576
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? He said, peace brothers, peace sisters,

577
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: go back home. And they pushed his space out of

578
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: the way and stormed the building pretty much. But again

579
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: they didn't find anything. So they found out that all

580
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: the doctors and all the students were hiding out at

581
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: the jail, and they're like, no jail can hold us.

582
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: We're five thousand strong. There's a guy circulating in the middle,

583
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: just filled with rage keeping us going. We're eating stuff

584
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: from time to time to keep our energy up. It

585
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: was a bad scene. They were literally shouting bring out

586
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: your doctors. On mass in New York City in seventeen

587
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: bring out your doctors so we can kill them. This

588
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: was the tone of the time, and this was not

589
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: an isolated incident. There were like dozens of anatomy riots

590
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: all over the United States back then. It's really very disturbing.

591
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: It was kind of a thing and you guys did

592
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: it too, but like we really did it, you know

593
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: what I mean, like Texas style or something like that.

594
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: All Right, So because all this was going on, um,

595
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: it became pretty clear that people should take action um

596
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: on their own. If you're going to bury a family member,

597
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: maybe you should take some steps to ensure that you, uh,

598
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: they would be late to rest for eternity. Yeah, it

599
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: was a very inventive time. It was a Georgian period.

600
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know why I said it, like that

601
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: you have to the Georgian period some tea. I don't

602
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: have any tea, so, uh, I don't have any gent.

603
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: You can lie. I just covered my tooth on this mine.

604
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: That's your new thing. If you get your finger like

605
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: stuck in there, it's happened, no now, but my daughter

606
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: had her finger stuck. So this was a very inventive time.

607
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: So they thought, let's come up with some ways to

608
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: ensure this doesn't happen. Let's start kind of basically by

609
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: just staggering sticks and things as we pile the dirt

610
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: on the casket because again they're they're using wooden shovels. Yeah,

611
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: let's just make it harder to dig up the body basically,

612
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: which is pretty simple, pretty straightforward. Another one was the

613
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: mort stone, which was invented by a guy named mort Stone,

614
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: and it was just basically like putting a huge rock

615
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: on a grave and they're like, well, they'll never get

616
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: into that grave, and they hadn't thought it through because

617
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: all you have to do is dig around the stone

618
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: and downward at an angle and you get to the grave.

619
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: That's that not too bad. They actually still use more

620
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: stones every now and then today. Just a few years

621
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: ago in two thousand thirteen on Treadworth Road, Terry and whoa,

622
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: that's all right. We needed music for that way we

623
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: did now where was I still don't know music too Weirdly,

624
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: that was a weird ring tone, dude, I still don't

625
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: know how to pronounce this as you do too, You

626
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: do too, gluster cluster cluster bluster? Is that right? So

627
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: we did our first show in Manchester, which apparently you're

628
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: supposed to say murr because we said Gloucester. Now I

629
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: said it. You're being kind and like this audience had

630
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: been going like this all night. Suddenly we're pointing and laughing,

631
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: like they were townspeople in Springfield on the Simpsons and

632
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: somebody had just pants us. It was like that, the

633
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: biggest reaction anyone has ever gotten from a crowded Manchester

634
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: we got and it was at our expense, pointing and

635
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: laughing because we said gloud Chester, which is just so funny.

636
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: And they moved to Scotland and they said it's close

637
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: on flem came up. Didn't point and laugh when they

638
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: did it. So Treadworth wrote, cemetery and cluster, uh one,

639
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: Miss Betty Brazil and Henry Brazil were buried together, and

640
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: apparently the word had gotten around that they were They

641
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 1: were buried with a lot of valuables, so um, someone

642
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: tried to dig him up because the jewels down there.

643
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: And I don't think they actually got finished at night.

644
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: So the sun started to rise and they put a

645
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: recycling bend over the whole and said we're gonna come

646
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: back later tonight, and that worked for a little while,

647
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: but I don't think they got the body right. No,

648
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: they worked for like ten minutes until the sun came

649
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: fully upright and someone saw there was cling ben and said,

650
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: someone just tried to rob this grave. In two thousand,

651
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: still going on. So the next thing they invented was

652
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: called the mork House. Uh, invented by a guy named

653
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: no Wrong. It was more stone again. Uh. This was

654
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: basically just a mausoleum that you could not break into.

655
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: It was heavy stone, and it was a place where

656
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: you put your body where it was temporarily interred until

657
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: it could find its final resting place right for like

658
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: three weeks. Because that was the rule of thumb was

659
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: it took about three weeks for a body to become

660
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: unusable by an anatomist, and therefore it was out of

661
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: danger of being stolen by a grave robber. And if

662
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: you had a mort house, most people said, impenetrable. Maybe

663
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guard it and be armed while I do. So.

664
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: A lot of people stood watching cemeteries at this time,

665
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: and as a result, cemeteries were places where there were

666
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: a lot of shootouts between families standing watch and protecting

667
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: graves and grave robbers who were so brazen that they

668
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't run, they'd shoot back. I'd be like, no, that's

669
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: my body. Uh no, that's my aunt well, we're taking

670
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: your aunt. No you're not. And it would just go

671
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: like that for a while, or they would get in

672
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: shootouts with other family standing watch that they've mistaken for

673
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: grave robbers, which happened a surprising amount of time. Yeah, graveyards,

674
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't a place to be back then at night. Uh,

675
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: if you wanted to remain safe and alive. And it's

676
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: still not so they had this. They had this other

677
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: thing called a set gun. It's been around since about

678
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: the fifteenth century, and a set gun is basically, or

679
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: in this case, a grave gun, a gun that you

680
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: don't need to man um. You set it up or woman. Yeah,

681
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: that's true. You had set it up on top of

682
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: the of the grave and it could spin in a circle.

683
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: It's like in a tripod. And it had a triangulated

684
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: trip wire. So if you're walking along with your wooden

685
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: shovel and you go to steal a body, it would

686
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: trip it and then this gun would just start randomly

687
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: firing and his sorball and you would get and I

688
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: quote the article we're working from, a grave robber who

689
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: tripped the wire would get an ass full of musket ball.

690
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: That's what I said. An arshal, excuse me, this is

691
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: from the guy who capitalized the golden age of grave robbery.

692
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: Another version of that was, um, a shotgun inside the

693
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: casket so they would pride open and look inside and

694
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: literally get shotgunned in the face. And the best, if

695
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: you were like a family who knew where they were doing,

696
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: you put the shotgun in the in the corpse, which

697
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: should be that's not what you want to see. When

698
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: you get shot in the face of the shotgun, that's

699
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: your last believe we were from America and then what

700
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: does that mean? We got shotguns all over the past.

701
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: Another little enterprising idea was called the torpedo, the grave

702
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: torpedo and the grave torpedo. And our same friend who

703
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: said no, it's pronounced Bara Bara pointed this out to

704
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: me after the show. He came up to me after

705
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: the show and said, let me correct you guys on

706
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: a few things, which I loved. Again he grab Chuck's beard,

707
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: and uh, I just thought it was funny. It's called

708
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: a grave torpedo because what it is is a land mine.

709
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: You would just go walking toward the grave and you'r

710
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: you would be exploded, and which it makes you feel

711
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: like bad for a second. Then you're like, oh wait,

712
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: this is against grave. But he pointed out that the

713
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: early torpedoes were really just mines and it just kind

714
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: of got morphed eventually to be something that you would

715
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: shoot out of a submarrate. So now it's a colloquialism torpedo,

716
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: the grave torpedo coming soon. So one of the things

717
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: that somebody was inevitably going to hit on was, Yeah,

718
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: it's all fine and good breaking into a grave, having

719
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: a dig past six maybe around him more stone. I

720
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: could possibly get a shotgun blast of the face from

721
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: a shock um held by a corpse that I'm trying

722
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: to steal. I'm getting shot at by the family members.

723
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: It's an honest day's work, but is it worth it? So,

724
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: like I said, it's inevitable that somebody was eventually gonna

725
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: be like, why don't I just murer somebody and sell

726
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: their body. I don't have to deal with any of

727
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: that other stuff. I just have to kill him. I'm

728
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: robbing graves already, it's not a huge step to just

729
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: go ahead and murder somebody. And there were two guys

730
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: in particular who were really famous for this kind of thing,

731
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: for hitting upon this idea, and they were named William

732
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: Burke and William Hare, or the two bills as we

733
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: call them. Someone just wooed in the back. Yeah, you're

734
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: not supposed to move those guys. You could maybe woo

735
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: the Simon peg film, but we didn't reference that. So

736
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: Burke and Hair they were born in an Ulster and uh,

737
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: they immigrated to Edinburgh to work on the Union Canal.

738
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: And they met each other there and said, hey, are

739
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: you a disgusting creep? I am too, I could sell,

740
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: I could tell in your eyes. Let's pinky does be

741
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: pinky swear buddies, And they stabbed each other in the

742
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: back as forever, and uh, I think which one we're in?

743
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: The boarding house? Hair owned the boarding house. Burke was

744
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: a cobbler sometimes that right space there, that's right so

745
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: here he was, he's working at the boarding house, and

746
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: he said, I've got this guy living there named Old Donald.

747
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: He died, which happens to the guy's name, Old Donald's.

748
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: Eventually it was a weird nickname when he was four

749
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: years old, but now now he's living up to it.

750
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: Old Donald died owing four pounds, and background Asy said,

751
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: all right, here's what we'll do. I know, a good

752
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: body can fetch some money these days. Let's find some

753
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: other creep who's a doctor that we can sell it to.

754
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: And they found a surgeon named Dr Robert Knox, who

755
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. You've seen the picture of this guy, right,

756
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever heard of this guy, Dr Robert Knox.

757
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: He is I think the um the archetype for the

758
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: mad scientists, the creepy man scientists. Like there's one very

759
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: famous like wood engraving of him. He's wearing like black

760
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: leather gloves up to his elbow and those creepy sunglasses

761
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: from the nineteenth century. It's like, what are you wearing

762
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: those four? Doc? Where are you hiding? And he was

763
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: hiding plenty, believe me, right, So if you look at

764
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: a picture of this guy, you're like, that's where that

765
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: came from. And this guy was a real living guy

766
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: who gained a reputation for being a ghoul eventually. And

767
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: he was the man who was like, boys, I'll give

768
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: you seven shillings, no, seven pounds, ten shillings for old Donald,

769
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: and keep them coming. I don't care where they come from,

770
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: just keep them coming. You see these sunglasses, I don't

771
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: care where you get them. I just see more bodies,

772
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: and Birke and Harmer like that's great, We'll just go

773
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: back to the boarding house and wait for somebody else

774
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: to die. Is to set around for about like five

775
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: six minutes, and they're like, oh, six A six days,

776
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: very sick. Maybe we should just hasten six days death,

777
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: six days the place where the person dying was living.

778
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: And so they went in right. But on the other side, no, no,

779
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: this just starts there at six a. UM. So they

780
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: went in and said six A. Good to see you here,

781
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: some gin um. Just close your eyes while we do

782
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: something real quick, okay, And one of them I don't

783
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: know who did one. Well, all right, let's say we're

784
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: working here. Okay. I would be the one to lay

785
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: on the body to make sure it doesn't move. So

786
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: I would just climb. I would lumber up on the

787
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: body and just do this, show him, show him the tooth.

788
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: That is not what you want to see, is you expected,

789
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: and wink knowingly you're about to die. And then I

790
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: would come in and my job would be to close

791
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: the nostril in the mouth, maybe say something reassuring like

792
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: you sleep, now, get little jewel going and then that's

793
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: how these people would die, which is a terrible, terrible

794
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: way to go. And they became so prolific and well

795
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: known for this eventually that this process of murdering people

796
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: and actually murdering people for their body to sell it

797
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: for dissection became known as burking. It's not what you

798
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: want named after you a method of murder. Now, if

799
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: your last name becomes a verb for murder for anything,

800
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: unless it's really great, well, yeah, sure, there's plenty of

801
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: great things. Name one like somebody coming up to you

802
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: on the street and giving you like a bunch of

803
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: free candy, candying well, clarking that guy just Clark man, Oh,

804
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: I love it when I get Clarke down this street.

805
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: Realize you have to do that to make that happen.

806
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to do you have a new life mission

807
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: to make your last name a burb. I need to

808
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: get my hands on candy. You do what do you

809
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: call candy? Here? Sweets? Oh that's why they joke didn't

810
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: go over quite as well. Now I understand, Like I

811
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: just clarked me, he gave me some sweets, fries or chips?

812
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: Chips are crisps? Candy? Is sweets. Pudding is all dessert, right,

813
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: and pork pies, by the way, are the greatest thing

814
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: you people have ever invented. You have some last higher right?

815
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't get enough. Somebody clarked me with

816
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: some pork pies. Please, I'm dead serious. We'll wait, We'll

817
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: wait while you go to the store. What's up with

818
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: the pork pie hat? Is it shape like a pork pie? Now?

819
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: I guess hopefully maybe like the pork it was? It

820
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: was around within it folded in on the edges, and

821
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: I think pork bye hat does that, so they might

822
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: be it. Who cares? You can't eat a pork by hat?

823
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: Well that's what you think. No, I'll try. I'm gonna

824
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: go to hab it Asher tomorrow. I'm gonna inspect this firsthand.

825
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: All right, there's another money pinefone red friends? Have it?

826
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: Really okay? I thought you would know where I was

827
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: going with it, and they I have no idea. I

828
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: just got lost. Where are we? All right? So they're

829
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 1: barking people left and right. They killed about fifteen people

830
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: at least in Edinburgh over a ten month period, and

831
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: they got their girlfriends involved. They each found some nice

832
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: ladies he said, are you are you creepy? Because we are.

833
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: And Burke hooked up with Helen and Hair hooked up

834
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: with Margaret, and they started including them in their little

835
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: game of death. And they said, here's what we'll do.

836
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: We'll just go out to a bar and we'll find

837
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: some old woman who loves Jim and loves gin and

838
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: we'll just say, you know, have another drink, have another drink,

839
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: and you know what, you know where we have lots

840
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: of gin is at my boarding house. So just come

841
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: back with me late at night. And they apply these

842
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: old ladies and old men with booze bringing back to

843
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: the boarding house. I would lay on them, She's sleep.

844
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: And it was. It was a cottage industry and things

845
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: were going along swimmling for a while until they got

846
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: a little greedy, as things go when there's money involved,

847
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: and they started to Yeah, money and murder. I've seen

848
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: the movie Shallow Grave. It's a bad combination. I know

849
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: how that goes. So, uh, you guys haven't seen the

850
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: movie Shallow Grave or have you know? Oh, you see it.

851
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: It's good. They're British people in it. So they started

852
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: burking people who were actually a little well known in town,

853
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: and Edinburgh wasn't the biggest city at the time, so

854
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: people kind of knew one another, and they got in

855
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: real trouble when they finally picked off this dude named

856
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: Jamie who everybody knew in the town and it was

857
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: bad news. Well, they didn't call him Jamie. They called

858
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: him daft Jamie. And today you would call him savant

859
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: with autism Jamie, but they weren't quite as sensitive as

860
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: we are today, so they called him daft Jamie. Yes,

861
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: we've advanced since then. And Jamie was actually he was

862
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: this very beloved figure in the town. Um. He would

863
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: just kind of hang out in the downtown old town

864
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: and people would say, hey, Jamie, here's a bunch of

865
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: matches I just threw onto the ground. Can you count

866
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: him real quick? And he would calculate it and they

867
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: would say that's amazing. Here was a port pie buddy,

868
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: and he'd say thanks a lot. But he wasn't a

869
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: bagger or anything like that. He just kind of hung

870
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: out downtown. It was a fixture in town. His mother

871
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: and his sister cared for him very well, and he

872
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: was just beloved. So he ended up on Dr Knox's

873
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: table and he was very recognizable, so much so that

874
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: a colleague of Dr Knox is like, that's deaf Jamie.

875
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was sick. And Dr Knox is like,

876
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: first of all, it's savant with allaism Jamie. Secondly, no,

877
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: it's not. And he started cutting the head off right

878
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: then serious and like threw it out and they're like, no,

879
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: it is def Jamie has a club foot, and Dr

880
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: Knox started cutting off the club foot and then he

881
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: said okay, let's begin a great new year and started

882
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: cutting open jet def Jamie. Um. And that was not

883
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: the only one. There were several other people that were

884
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: recognized on the table. So Dr Knox kind of fell

885
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: under suspicion. But it wasn't that that that ultimately led

886
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: to their undoing. They just grew more and more careless

887
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: over time, and more and more suspicious of one another,

888
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: so much so that um, it was Burke and Helen right.

889
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: Burke and Helen said, Hair and Margaret, we think you're

890
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: killing people without cutting us in. So I'm gonna go

891
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: open my own boarding house so we can kill in

892
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: peace Burke's house and murder that's what they called it.

893
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: And then they were like, oh, it's terrible, and they

894
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: crossed out murder and wrote fun underneath, and they started

895
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: attracting borders after that. So Burke's House with murdering fun

896
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: is going on and tea and biscuits, and uh, they're

897
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: drawing in people and they're killing people on their own

898
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: as a duo, and uh, they're not very good at

899
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: keeping things quiet. They're good at the killing part. It's

900
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: the covering up afterward partly. Secondly, at one point they

901
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: had a body in the boarding house that they just

902
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: covered up with straw and hay, and one of the

903
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: other boarders was just kind of cruising through the house

904
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: and they said, I've noticed that that big pile of

905
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: hey has an arm coming out of it. It's a

906
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: little weird and I'm gonna go call the cops. And

907
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: they said, no, don't do that. Here's what we'll do.

908
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: And here's what we're doing. Let's give you a little dough.

909
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: We're selling these bodies. It's for medicine, and we'll we'll

910
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: cut you in on this deal as long as you

911
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: promised to not go to the police. And the lady

912
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: backed slowly out of the room and said, sure, that

913
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: sounds great. Just write a check and leave it under

914
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: my door and I'll be back soon. I have to

915
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: go and mail something because the sames dot com was

916
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: an inventor, right, so she went right to the costs

917
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: and the Lord Advocate I wish. So the Lord Advocate

918
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: in the charge of Hair's case said, you know what,

919
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you immunity. Here's a big offer if

920
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: you will turn King's witness against your pal Burke. And Uh,

921
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: Hair quickly accepted and I don't think the words were

922
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: out of his mouth. He said, Hurt, I'm on board.

923
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: I will testify against him. And that's what he did.

924
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: And to this day, of the four including girlfriends, only

925
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: one was actually tried and Uh hanged. Hanged, just Burke, yep.

926
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: And he was a very hated figure, as you can imagine.

927
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: I think twenty thousand people showed up for his hanging.

928
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: His hanging and no, it's just hanging. And um when

929
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: he was hanged, Uh, afterward they gave his body to

930
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: the University of Edinburgh for a dissection. Yeah, cruel, irony,

931
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: and forty people turned out to see his dissected body.

932
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: Actually again they just lift into the organs out everyone.

933
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: So here after a few years he kind of tried

934
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: to disappear, as you do when you're a creepy ghoul.

935
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: And um, he went to work at a lime quarry

936
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: and the dudes that he worked with found out who

937
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: he was, and kind of a mob justice took over

938
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: and they shoved him into the lime quarry. He was

939
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: blinded for the rest of his life. And we don't

940
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: we don't know if he was like blinded from the

941
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: line or they threw him into the corny like landed

942
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: on his eyes on sharp rocks, but either way he

943
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: was blinded. He was blinded by the line, you don't know.

944
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: And then he actually eventually moved to the streets of London,

945
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: which is what you do when you're blinded for life,

946
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: when you're trying to reinvent yourself. And uh, doctor Knox

947
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: as well, even he was ruined in Scotland and he

948
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: moved to the streets of London to try and pick

949
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: up his medical profession, which he did with pretty poor results.

950
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: But he did write a very well received book on fishing.

951
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: It's not a joke. I know it's true, it's hilarious,

952
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: but it's not a joke. All right, So people are

953
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: being killed, people are digging up bodies. There's anatomy murder.

954
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: Years before Birke in here, I think like a decade before,

955
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: there was a guy named Thomas Wakefield who was a

956
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: surgeon in the publisher of the Lancet, a great medical

957
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: journal that we use is still around today. We're coming

958
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: for us. So he was a publisher of the Lancet,

959
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: and he said, this anatomy murder is going on. This

960
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: is like an eight twenty. And he said everyone should

961
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: be afraid because there are dudes out there that will

962
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: kill you just to sell your body. Uh, And so

963
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: be be very afraid. And there are a lot of

964
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: surgeons too who were fairly liberal minded, who are saying,

965
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: we need better laws than what we have now. We

966
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: need more bodies because people are robbing graves, people are

967
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: murdering for these bodies. There's this huge demand that's being

968
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: fulfilled and terribly illicit ways. We have to get better laws.

969
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: But the problem is these surgeons, as prominent as they were,

970
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: were in this weird position where they look like ghoules,

971
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: like can we have some more bodies? Bleeds? These just

972
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: delivering them fresh to our door. So anytime they were

973
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: challenged they would back off. Very quickly because they all

974
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: had stolen bodies back in their in their labs right,

975
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: So the status quo remained the same until Burke and

976
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: Hair came out and you guys, actually you should be

977
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: very proud you had your own group of Burker's here

978
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: in London. They were known as the Lon and Burger Trio.

979
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: And they killed a bunch of people, uh what came

980
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: to be called anatomy murder or burking um. And the

981
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: one that undid them was they killed a fourteen year

982
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: old boy who had recently emigrated from Italy, and they

983
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: delivered him to I think Guy's hospital. And the porter

984
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: at Guy's hospital said, that's pretty weird. We don't usually

985
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: get warm dead bodies delivered to us. It seems a

986
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: little sloppy. Maybe I should follow up. So he took

987
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: the boy to one of the anatomists and said, what

988
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: do you think about this? The anatomist said, well, I

989
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: think this boy's neck was broken about forty five minutes ago.

990
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: It's probably murder. So luckily the porter knew who had

991
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: delivered the body, and the cops found the guys. They

992
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: were hanging themselves in between the Burger Trio and Burking

993
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: hair before them, that the public's eyes were finally totally

994
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,959
Speaker 1: open to this. There was no avoiding this any longer.

995
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: Like people were being murdered to supply bodies for anatomists,

996
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: and they didn't know who to blame, Like there were

997
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: some anatomists who were convicted of dissecting cadavers. But for

998
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: the most part, people I think got that maybe the

999
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: law is a little weird right now, you know, maybe

1000
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: we have this weird prohibition that we should rethink. Parliament

1001
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: sort this out. And Parliament did, actually exactly who do

1002
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: you turn to? So the House of Comment gets involved,

1003
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: they get things done, and the whole hearings and they said,

1004
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: here's what we'll do. Let's get some of these resurrectionists

1005
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: and they'll trot them up. Let's give him immunity and

1006
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: say you can if you testify, get away scott free.

1007
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, you mean immunity. What'd I say?

1008
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: You said immunity, okay, and uh, they trotted him out

1009
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: and they toward the told these sort of tales of

1010
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: digging up bodies, and it was very salacious in the

1011
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: news and everybody was like, yeah, the public was very interested.

1012
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: And then tell us more and then they got surgeons

1013
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: and they said, well, let's hear from you, and they

1014
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: talked about the need for cadavers, and it was kind

1015
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: of a big deal because you know, everyone wants to

1016
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: live longer, and in order to do that, we need

1017
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: to cut people open still, so it's like a double

1018
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: edged sword. It totally was. So finally Parliament said, all right,

1019
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: here's what we'll do. We're gonna take action. Just picture

1020
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: me in a powdered wig and and it'll allow makes sense,

1021
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: which is hilarious by the way, every every couple of

1022
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: months chuckles, just walk into the studio wearing a powdered way.

1023
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a powdered wig day. The Parliament says,

1024
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: here's we're gonna do. We're gonna provide some legitimate bodies

1025
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: by passing the Anatomy Act of two. It's a very

1026
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: big deal because right out of the gate, on paper,

1027
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: at least, it got rid of the black market on

1028
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: cadavers because it said anyone who has legal possession of

1029
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: a dead body, um, and the body is dead. Uh,

1030
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: the body never said while they were living that they

1031
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to be dissected, and no spouse or family

1032
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: members saying you can't cut open that dead body. You

1033
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: can take that body down to your local anatomists and say,

1034
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: here you go, just roll them up the steps, walk away,

1035
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: and they'll cut them upen for you. Right, And this

1036
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: was really radical. It really flew in the face of

1037
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: the sentiment at the time, because again, remember the Murder

1038
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: Acts of seventeen fifty one said not only are we

1039
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: gonna hang you for being a murderer, we're gonna dissect

1040
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: you afterwards. That's how disgusting we think you are. And

1041
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: that really took kind of an unspoken social stigma and

1042
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: codified it. And this went a long way to undoing

1043
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: the damage that the Murder Acts had done. As far

1044
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: as the public view of dissection. The problem is is

1045
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: if you were wealthy your middle class at the time,

1046
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: you weren't exactly running out and saying like, yes, dissect me,

1047
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: dissect me. And the whole problem with with the idea

1048
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: of being dissected is that at the time you thought

1049
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: that when judgment day came and you were in your

1050
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: grave and God stood you up and you're just standing

1051
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: there like, what do you think, huh, Well, it wasn't

1052
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: so bad, right, God would look you up and down

1053
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: and be like you look all right, you can come in.

1054
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: But if you saw that you were missing your eyes,

1055
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: maybe your guts, or you were just an articulated skelty,

1056
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: but like you look terrible, laid back down. And that

1057
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: was the sentiment behind not being dissected at the time.

1058
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: So the the Anatomy Act kind of governmentalized this idea

1059
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: that no dissections. Actually, okay, forget your religious beliefs, just

1060
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: listen to us Parliament, and it actually kind of worked.

1061
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: But at the same time, what it really did and

1062
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: what it was criticized for, was that it put the

1063
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: burden of supplying cadavers to science onto the poor, which

1064
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: is kind of already the process, but in this sense,

1065
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: it really kind of codified the whole thing. Yeah, but

1066
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: like you said, it didn't make a difference. I think

1067
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: between eighteen thirty two and nineteen thirty two more than

1068
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand cadavers were legitimately donated to medical science

1069
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: and the United Kingdom alone, So it really made a

1070
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: big impact. And science was advancing in medicine was advancing,

1071
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: so it wasn't to the close of the ninth teenth

1072
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: century that dissection really came to be accepted by the public,

1073
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: and people started to say, you know what, this is

1074
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: actually a good thing. Donating organs, donating bodies is something

1075
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: that we should kind of try and embrace a little

1076
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: bit more, right. Uh, And to this day, sadly, it's

1077
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: still kind of goes on in a weird way, right

1078
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: it does. So Like if you go into an anatomy

1079
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: lab or medical school in the United States and you

1080
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: come across an articulated skeleton, those skeletons are mostly made

1081
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: up of individual bones that were stolen from rob graves

1082
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 1: in India, which means the U S outsourced grave robbing. Yeah,

1083
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: and it is currently outsourcing gray rowing. So uh. To

1084
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: finish up the show tonight, we and True Stuff you

1085
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: should know Fashion are going to do a top five

1086
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: robbed graves that only has four. I don't know why

1087
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: we do that. One of them doesn't even count. Wow,

1088
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: that's true. But we're gonna start with a dude named

1089
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: Charlie Chaplin, very famous, born here in London, allegedly, that's right.

1090
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: Do you guys know that. I think they did. That's good. Uh,

1091
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: born in London, died on Christmas Day. Very sad because

1092
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: he loved Christmas. He died in nineteen seventy seven, and

1093
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: just a few months later, in March of ninety Charlie

1094
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: Chaplin's grave was robbed, stole his body, called his wife,

1095
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: Lady Una Chaplin, and said I want four hundred thousand

1096
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: pounds for Charlie's body, and she said, nope, Charlie would

1097
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 1: have thought this rather ridiculous, was her quote. And they went, Oh,

1098
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: they went, I ever thought of that. No, don't hang up,

1099
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: hang up, I'm thinking to uh, we have Charlie Chaplin's body, now,

1100
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: let me call you back. Pretty much. So there were

1101
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: multiple like staying operations at the cops would try to

1102
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: set up to try and catch these dudes. Ever worked out,

1103
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: They never showed up. They kind of chickened out, and

1104
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: eventually they realized that there was one phone call that

1105
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: they were supposed to make to the police, so they

1106
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: tapped the phone of Lady Una Chaplin and m staked

1107
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: out two hundred phone boots in the area and they

1108
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: actually caught the guy's red handed. A couple of the mechanics,

1109
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: one of them had the best name I may have

1110
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: ever heard. Yeah, there were two guys, uh roman Wardists

1111
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: and Gancho Ganev. I want a horse named Ganto Ganev. One.

1112
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: Somebody clarked me a horse named Ganto Ganev Clark you

1113
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: a horse? Oh man, I love that term. Now I'm

1114
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: making it happen, baby, Why do you want a horse?

1115
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: I love horses, but a horse named Ganto it just

1116
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: fits like Ganto. Gonna have the horse. What's your horse's name?

1117
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: Cancer Gonase? He was clarked to me in fact. So

1118
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: eventually they did catch these guys and they led him

1119
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: to Chaplin's remains, which were about ten miles from the

1120
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: original graveyard, and then they reburied Charlie Chaplin. And you'll

1121
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: see a thread here. When you rebury a body after

1122
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: it's been stolen, you tend to cover it with like

1123
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 1: seven or eight feet of cement on top. Pretty sensible. Yeah,

1124
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: So the next one, I personally don't think this one counts,

1125
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: but we've included anyway, Abraham Lincoln. Have you guys ever

1126
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: heard of the president name Abraham Lincoln from where we live? He?

1127
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: Uh again, he was a president from where we live. Anyway,

1128
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: A B. Lincoln died and uh something like eleven I

1129
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: think eleven years later, some robbers attempted to break into

1130
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: his grave, and the robbers head a rat in their

1131
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: midst and the rat had told the cops that this

1132
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. So the cops staked out the graveyard

1133
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: waiting for the robbers. And apparently the cops were the

1134
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: Keystone Cops because one of their guns went off and

1135
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: alerted the robbers that they were there, and the robbers

1136
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: turned and ran and the Keystone cops like ran into

1137
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: each other and fell down, and it was weird, but

1138
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: it happened. And um, they didn't actually steal Lincoln's body,

1139
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 1: which is why I'm like, he shouldn't be on this list.

1140
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: What's sad is I actually made this one. I didn't

1141
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: think it through clearly. Well, they got away for a

1142
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: little while, and after the robbery, his remains were reburied

1143
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: in the same mausoleum, but in the basement of the mausoleum,

1144
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: which which which? Do you know how rich you have

1145
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: to be for your mausoleum to have its own basement?

1146
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: It's like six rooms. Do you guys have basements here? Okay,

1147
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:44,439
Speaker 1: all right, well fine, you can imagine that pretty rich. Wait,

1148
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: what do you call a basement here? A barsement, a basement,

1149
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: bars do you call it a bars a basement? Actually

1150
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: in New England that's what they call it too. That's

1151
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: where we live. Well, it's north of where we live.

1152
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: Put in America, south of New England. What are you

1153
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: talking about? So they reburied him in the basement, and

1154
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 1: then eventually in nineteen one, his son, Robert Todd Lincoln said,

1155
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: you know what, let's take him up from down there

1156
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: and let's rebury him proper and put the steel cage

1157
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: over him and bolt that to the floor. Andy safe.

1158
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: And they poured the man over him, which is what

1159
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: you do as customary. You see, So what do you

1160
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: want to hear? It was quite sure. So Gladys Hammond

1161
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: a lady, and this was recently you might have heard

1162
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: of this one. This is in two thousand four. Um,

1163
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: she was dug up and held for ransom, but not

1164
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 1: for money, but to get the family to stop experimenting

1165
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: on guinea pigs. They were raising guinea pigs and selling

1166
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: them to medical science. And these animal rights activists stole

1167
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 1: hard body and help basically held her for ransom for

1168
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: this family to stop the family does and it worked

1169
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 1: while it works sort of, no, well it did works.

1170
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: The family, Um, the group of activists were called to

1171
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: save the new church guinea pigs, who you may have

1172
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: heard of, and have you guys heard of them? No,

1173
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: you haven't. They just thought it was funny. It's a

1174
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: cute name, but they were dead serious. Yeah, so they

1175
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: still the body, hell it for ransom, and the family said, okay, fine,

1176
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: we'll get out of the business. We're not gonna breed

1177
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: guinea pigs for medical research anymore. We'll breed them to

1178
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: be dressed up like cowboys for children's parties. Surely you

1179
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: have no problem with that, the original purpose for guinea pigs.

1180
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: So so they actually did get out of the business.

1181
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: And the people who robbed the grave and stole the

1182
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: woman's body, the family member's body, didn't give it back.

1183
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: They just never got back in touch. They were like,

1184
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: we moved on to Wales now, we don't care about

1185
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: guinea pigs anymore. So it took eighteen months before they

1186
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: finally caught these people and said where's the body And

1187
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, she's in some heathland. That's it. What's

1188
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: a heathland country? No, no, heathland. Is it a more? Yes,

1189
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: it's a more? What's a more? I think there's quicksand

1190
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: on the moors. Isn't there boggy area? A field? Is

1191
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: it a field? Why did we feel the need to

1192
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: rename everything? Those are great? We renamed it. These kids

1193
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: were here first. No, that's what I'm saying. Oh we yeah,

1194
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: wells are a wonderful words. Heathland is beautiful. We don't

1195
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: know what it is, but it sounds great. Stupid Americans. Uh.

1196
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: So we're gonna finish up the list with Joseph Findon.

1197
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: By the way, we we have a microphone right there

1198
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: after this, we're gonna have about ten or fifteen minutes

1199
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: left to do a little Q and A. If anyone

1200
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: has any questions, you can do so. If you don't,

1201
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: you can leave. If you have to pee, you can leave.

1202
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: It won't hurt our feelings. We understand. We both have

1203
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: the pe right now to speak to yourself. Uh. I

1204
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: have to pete totally. Uh. And we're gonna finish up

1205
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: with Joseph Hyden Franz Joseph Hyden, very famous Austrian classical

1206
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: composer and uh he died. This was during the phrenology movement.

1207
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 1: We've talked a little bit about phrenology on the show.

1208
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: This is when you thought that you could look at

1209
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: a human skull and really tell a lot about the

1210
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: person and about where the smarts were and where the

1211
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: genius was. Perhaps, so it was a big deal to

1212
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: get your hands on the skull of someone like Hayden.

1213
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: So they went to the grave digger and they said,

1214
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: we'll give you some money if you cut off his

1215
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: head and give it to us. And the grave digger said,

1216
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: you had me at money pretty much. Uh So he

1217
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: did so, and he gave him the head and they

1218
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: macerated the skull, which means you make the rest of

1219
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: the head disappear through magic until you're just left with

1220
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: a skull maceration. It's not magic though, pretty much, just

1221
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: so good the liquid it's really gross. Eventually everything goes

1222
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: away but the skull, which is what you want. And

1223
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: the dudes Joseph Rosenbaum and Johann Peter looked at the

1224
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: skull and said, oh my gosh, when you look at this,

1225
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: look at the musical bump on that skull. And the

1226
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: other one was like, wait, wait, wait, it's you say

1227
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: musical bump. He made that up just now, it didn't

1228
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, totally. But it's gonna stick. I think

1229
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: it's probably just a deformatal pump. It's hide, and of

1230
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: course he is a musical pump. So they had the skull,

1231
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: and they weren't too shy about keeping it quiet. They

1232
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: went one of them even for a little while, kept

1233
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: it in his home. They would have dinner parties and

1234
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: it was hiding skull and he kept it in a

1235
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: glass case like musical notes and compositions and like an

1236
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 1: ink and pill and ink and pill, quill and pin

1237
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: and uh. It was prominently displayed. And then the cops

1238
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: eventually he found out about this. Well, somebody went to

1239
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: go reberry Hyden because he wanted to be moved to

1240
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: the family flat. Right. Yeah, he died during wartime and

1241
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: it was kind of hastily buried, and in a couple

1242
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: of decades later they finally went to rebury him. And

1243
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: when they did, they were like, I didn't know Hiden

1244
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: didn't have a head you had last time I saw him.

1245
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: So they go and they someone says, you know what,

1246
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: I totally knew who has his skull Because they're not

1247
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: too shy about it. It's over at the Sky's House,

1248
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: over at Rosenbombs. So they go over to Roasta Balm's house.

1249
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: This is really awful. His plan was to hide it

1250
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: in the mattress to get his wife to lay on

1251
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: the bed and tell the cops that she's menstruating, and

1252
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: the cops were like blo blah blah blah, and they

1253
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: like all just ran out of the house pretty much,

1254
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: did you keep your skull? That's basically out went down,

1255
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: and uh again, we've come a long way since then,

1256
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: and the skull was eventually reunited. Well, they gave them

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Speaker 1: a fake skull at the time. Here's his skull. They

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Speaker 1: knew the jig was up, but they really really wanted

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Speaker 1: Hyden skool. Yeah, so they gave him a fake. They

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Speaker 1: reburied that with Hyden thinking it was hide and skull.

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Speaker 1: And then years later, in nineteen fifty four, in fact,

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Speaker 1: not that long ago. Uh well, sort of a long

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Speaker 1: time ago, but not on the grand scheme of things,

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Speaker 1: they eventually find Hyden's real skull and rebury it. But

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Speaker 1: they didn't know what to do with the old skull

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Speaker 1: so to this day, not even not only that, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was that they didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 1: I think they took the Hyden's actual skull into his tomb,

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Speaker 1: set it down. I went to go shut the door

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Speaker 1: and turned around, was like, oh right, which one was?

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Speaker 1: Which one is the musical bump which? And then they said,

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Speaker 1: forget it, let's just bury both of them. Pretty much

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Speaker 1: so to this day Hyden Skull is still buried. His

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Speaker 1: grave still has two skulls buried in the same grave.

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Speaker 1: If you went and dug it up today, it's very

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Speaker 1: little known fact. So that is grave robbing. And that

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Speaker 1: is the end of our show. Yes, M you know what.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for more on this and thousands of other topics.

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