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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in, I'm dot com. Then this is All Ball,

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Speaker 1: and um, I am I'm really excited uh for you

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Speaker 1: to hear Part two and what will become Part three

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Speaker 1: are of our interview with Maurice's clarette. And of course

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Speaker 1: if you want to go back, you can always search

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Speaker 1: out All Ball and you know, I can kind of

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Speaker 1: go back through your queue and you can hear part one.

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Speaker 1: Part one is a little bit more about his playing

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Speaker 1: days in high school and college. Let him to a

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Speaker 1: house state. I'm not saying it's not interesting, but now

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Speaker 1: we're now we're getting to the meet bre eating a ribby, right,

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Speaker 1: you know that the the tenderloin kind of part of

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Speaker 1: the ribby. That's what we're biting into here. This is

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Speaker 1: this is some really good stuff. Before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: do you want to talk a little basketball with you?

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Speaker 1: Because team USA one a gold medal, which I think

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Speaker 1: it's a monumental achievement, and I know what happens is, um,

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Speaker 1: you could label them haters if you want. Those are

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Speaker 1: the guys I think Kevin Durant is probably talking about

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Speaker 1: with Draymond Green. When I throw out the cautiously pessimistic

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Speaker 1: this ship does not look good, I'm also reasonable to

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Speaker 1: understand that things can change. And the addition of Chris

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Speaker 1: lot of things that help them evolved as a team.

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Speaker 1: But let's be honest, those three, especially Booker and Holiday,

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Speaker 1: they really changed this team for the better. And when

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Speaker 1: the plane, right, So let's here's what we'll do. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's go through it. One thing that that I has

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Speaker 1: not been mentioned, and you're gonna here mentioned right now,

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Speaker 1: and all you, my you, I listened to this most

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Speaker 1: about the smartest thing they did is they really only

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Speaker 1: had ten guys, right, Kelln Johnson didn't play, Fill mcgi

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Speaker 1: didn't play. So why is that important? If you bring

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Speaker 1: to play, and it's really really hard to manage. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like I have an AU program, and you know

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Speaker 1: the magic number is eight, right, Eight's the magic number

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Speaker 1: because AU games are much shorter and it's much harder

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Speaker 1: really good because now you feel like you know, if

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Speaker 1: you can rotate through guys and you can get everybody in,

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Speaker 1: and then you know you want to play to win

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Speaker 1: Once you get to like ten guys, it's hard now

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Speaker 1: in a remember it's forty minute game out of forty

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Speaker 1: eight minute games, which it's hard to get people minutes.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that selecting JaVale McGhee, who was

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Speaker 1: through the guys. Obviously, Kevin Durant was fantastic. Now, um,

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Speaker 1: else in that discussion that was in that tournament, right,

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Speaker 1: So yes, he he should look better than everybody else,

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of guys missing, so of

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Speaker 1: So the first thing is Kevin Rant was amazing. I

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Speaker 1: Damian Lillard bought in when he come out of the game.

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Speaker 1: which only continues to signify all of our big guys

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Speaker 1: interesting on how the NBA the true centers are almost

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Speaker 1: You know, Look, there's some Chris Middleton was up and down.

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Speaker 1: hours playing pool, you know what I'm saying. And you

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00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: can you can sit around, listen to music and play

428
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: pool and you can have a bunch of fun. But

429
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're viewing yourself as uh Maurice Claret

430
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: who comes from young sotun Ohio. I'm not viewing myself

431
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: as some premier athlete who needs to take care of himself.

432
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 1: And then you know you don't even know how to

433
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: deal with trade motions, you know what I'm saying. Um

434
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 1: like when when you look back on it, like you're

435
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: just like emotionally drained from the whole process, you know,

436
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you've gotten something that you worked so hard for.

437
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: Kind of like taking away from you. You you've contributed,

438
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: other people contributed. Um, you know, you know, it's it's

439
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot to even make sense of things

440
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: that you really don't have a great understanding one. You

441
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, You ask yourself like, man, like

442
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: how do I go from playing football to not playing football?

443
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: And like I don't even have like my future and

444
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: site and so you know that, I think that's something

445
00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more forgiving to people when they go

446
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 1: through stuff, because if you've never if you've never really

447
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: went through a major life challenge, and try to ask

448
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: your stuff like how do you begin to sort through things?

449
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: And um, Like in therapy, they got this thing called

450
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: the emotional will, and understanding and identifying and putting the

451
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: word on the emotion helps you to diagnose it and

452
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: address it and go through. But at night, team, you don't,

453
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, you don't think like that saying like I

454
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: feel bad and you don't have it. You don't You're

455
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: not you're not really equipped for it, you know, I mean,

456
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: And and then I wonder if you went through this

457
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: right like when you're in football, like it's not like

458
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: you don't care about people outside of the football team.

459
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: But those are your brothers right there. Everything, they're they're

460
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: your closest friends. But now they still have that and

461
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: you go right and it's like they don't mean to

462
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: leave you behind, but it's just kind of the natural,

463
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: like like you sorry, do you ain't going to practice,

464
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: you ain't going to film, Like they just kind of

465
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: leave you behind. So it's really you're just kind of

466
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: floating out there into the ether and you grasp me

467
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: on the people. I'm guessing when you go to play pool,

468
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: there's lots of people who are new friends who like

469
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't have been your friends if you're still

470
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: playing football, right, correct, But but you don't have any

471
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: other friends, and these guys seem to like you, you know,

472
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: so you're like all right, straight, like let's let's hang out.

473
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: But they don't have the they don't have the drive

474
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: that you have, right, they haven't. That's just not how

475
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: they're wired. That's why they are who they are. Uh.

476
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 1: So it was a it was a year right without football,

477
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: if I remember correct? Two years? YEA, how often did

478
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: you work out? Uh? There was no working out? So

479
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: I went to I went to l A and I

480
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: was in LA for two years, and so you know,

481
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: just different. I worked out, I didn't train, so let

482
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: me let me just a little just distinguished it too.

483
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: And so was I going to l a fittingness, hitting

484
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: the bench friends, hitting like you know your your aesthetically

485
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: look look at muscles. Yes, I did that stuff, right.

486
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm still twenty and I'm still built like a tank

487
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: at that time, right, But there was no like, hey,

488
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: let me go to these sand dunes and let me

489
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: you know, let me do some sprint drills, let me

490
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: do some conditioning, let me watch my body fat. It

491
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: was nothing like that. And you know, essentially like if

492
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: you like, there's it's not this complex story, right, had

493
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: had took care of myself and came back and played,

494
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have had all these other stories that came

495
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: from it. But it's very it's it's unique dynamic. And

496
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: I think I identify with Mike Tyson on this. Right.

497
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson went to prison for three years, right, and

498
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't care how many tough guys he was around

499
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: in prison. There's nothing like going to practice and competing

500
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: and seeing a person you're competing against and being that environment,

501
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: people pushing on you. Pride on you. Uh, you know,

502
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: you get your ass kick to practice, you come back

503
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: and say, fund is dude, kicking my Ass's time for me? Kick?

504
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: Kick is asking you have perfect Yeah, you can't. You

505
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: can't send me like that. I don't. I don't care

506
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: how good you are. Now, you may be able to

507
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: be like a long snapper, you may be able to

508
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: be a kicker. Like there's there's different positions that like,

509
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: like there's a singular function that can be developed outside

510
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: of anything. But if you're not a if you're a quarterback,

511
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: you have to be thrown against coverage. You have to

512
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: look at a thousand reads. If you align me, you

513
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: gotta feel this motherfucker who's three hundred pounds pressing down

514
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: on you have to get out your stands. You know

515
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. There's just more to it. Then, Hey,

516
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm about to just wake up and say funking. I

517
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: was playing casual basketball and planets fitness. Then I'm about

518
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: to go compete in the NFL. Don't know, I mean, like,

519
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: I'll give it. So. So I got in trouble Notre

520
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: Dame and I had to leave. I had to leave

521
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: for uh taking dude credit cards and what I did was,

522
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, I one of the reasons I wanted I

523
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: thought about transferring to somewhere else right away was for

524
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: that the same competitive aspect, right that you're practicing it

525
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: with the team. But also but then I was like, man,

526
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: I can't I can't make a mistake twice because Notre

527
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: Dame wasn't a great fit for me in terms of

528
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: how I played. I want to let kind of the

529
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: dust set a little bit. So I was like, I

530
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: basically red shirted at a junior college where my high

531
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: school coach what were my high school coach coached and

532
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: and then I was like his assistant during games, and

533
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: my brother had just become an assistant coach. So I

534
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: kind of tried to fill my life, you know with

535
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: with basketball and the practices. I would try and win

536
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: every practice, right, I just try and kick everybody's asking, right,

537
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: because you you get these guys to be like, well,

538
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: I just I said out a year, Like do you

539
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: know what that does when you don't you're not competitive

540
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: for a year, and there's, like you said, there's nothing

541
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: even basketball which you can play with football, you can't.

542
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: It's like going down to play at twenty four hours

543
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: not is it ain't it? And your body like your

544
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: body atrophies, you're still skills atrophy and I can't imagine.

545
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: I can't imagine in football. Okay, so, um, during the

546
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: two years you get now you get ready for the combine. Okay, um,

547
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: what what do you remember about the process of trying

548
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: to get sharp to the combine. I really tried under

549
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: the combine. What is like February is I remember trying

550
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: like a couple of months and you think to yourself,

551
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: like people nodt yeah, yeah, the drafts, the drafts in April, right,

552
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah. So I just remember like, man, let

553
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: me get six to eight weeks prepared, like, let me

554
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: get prepared for it. And in my mind I really

555
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: thought it could happen. And so I was like, okay,

556
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: I'll go out here, I'll run. And I never tied

557
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: myself prior to go into the draft. I never did

558
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: any like uh, cone drills and il drills and none

559
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Like I didn't casually, but it wasn't

560
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: just taking it serious. But in my mind, like if

561
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: you would have walked to me and looked in my

562
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: face and said, are you ready for this, I'm like man,

563
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: how hard is it to run a forty catching football

564
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: and all this stuff? Right, because you you do it

565
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: for so many years and you're doing somebody you think

566
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, right, So I like like like and

567
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: for people who you gotta go back and listen our

568
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: last episode, right, like you showed up at Ohio State

569
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: and you wowed him on special teams, right, and then

570
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: you've got an opportunity in goal line and you impressed him,

571
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: and now you're starting running back as a presson and

572
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: playing for national championship. Right, It just it just all happened.

573
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: You just your mind was that powerful. You were that good.

574
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: So of course, like you get back in the football

575
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: fee like I got this ship, no problem, right, And

576
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: this was about mentality. Right. So I go out here

577
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: and I run in the first fourt yard dash and

578
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: I ran slow, and I remember coach came over to me.

579
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: It's like yo, bro, like you know what I'm saying, like,

580
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: make sure you get to get start like you you

581
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: like you had a group of people curious, but then

582
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: you had another group of people who wanted me to

583
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: do well in that moment, right, And so I ran

584
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: again and it just wasn't it just it just wasn't No,

585
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: So I'm mixing two events. I'm mixing two events at

586
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: one time. After I ran the first fourt yard dash, Um,

587
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: I basically didn't run a second one because the coach

588
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: came to me and talked to me. After combine. When

589
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: I went to go do my regular workout, that's when

590
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: I ran the first fourt yard dash again and it

591
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: was still slow, but it was faster in the combine

592
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: and he came over to me said go again, and

593
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, basically run again. And so then when the

594
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: position drill started to happen, that's when things kind of

595
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: fall apart, going in and out of cones. And then

596
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: you had coaches who were purposely and I didn't see

597
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: it at the time, but like looking back on and now,

598
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: they were purposely trying to pride me just like hey man,

599
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: hustle to drill the drill, holler and yelling. Um, you know,

600
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: he just hard on somebody. You know what I'm saying. Well,

601
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: they're trying to establish they're trying to figure out if

602
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: you're an asshole or not. Yeah, pretty much. I'll give you.

603
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Let me give you a quick example. Okay, So when

604
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: I was in college. They used to have a rule

605
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: for basketball where you could go and work out with

606
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: somebody's summer league team and workouts. You just had to

607
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: pay your own way. They couldn't they couldn't fly you whatever.

608
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: So uh, we got named Mark Warking team was the

609
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: GM of the Portland Trailblazers at the time, and I

610
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: stayed with a friend named Jason leaving up in Portland,

611
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: and I never forget that I was one of the guys.

612
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: The point guards was Jeff McInnis. Names to everybodycause in Touchett.

613
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: So touche was the first round draft pick out of

614
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: North Carolina, but he had a reputation as being a

615
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: guy who was it was hard to coach, right, and

616
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: and look he played. He was a star at Carolina

617
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: with Rashid Wallace and those dudes in Jerry Stackhouse. He

618
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: was a first round pick. He started, and so now

619
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: he's but he's not actually, you know, summer league and

620
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: that level. He wasn't coming to Portland to be the starters.

621
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: They wanted to see if he could be the backup

622
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: or the third stream point guard. And that mentality is

623
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: completely different, right, It's like the mentality of a you know,

624
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: like a second stream running back, like a backup running

625
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: back in the NFL. Yeah, get the ball, but you

626
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: gotta play special tunes. You got fast protect, right, So

627
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: they don't tell you this ship when you're growing up.

628
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: So I'll never forget this. We had to work out

629
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: and we're doing two days and we're getting ready to

630
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: scrimmage and all of a sudden they stop and the

631
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: strength coach comes over and we start doing ladders, ladders

632
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 1: and basketball are you know, like one groups at one end,

633
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: the other groups to the other end, and you go

634
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: one and then they go one, and then you go three,

635
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: and then they go three and and like you finished

636
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: they started right, and we keep going up like we're

637
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: like thirteen, We're like, dudes are falling up. And then

638
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: they're like again and do guys look and now look,

639
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure NFL guys like this, like look really like

640
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: are you fucking kidding me? Like sum and so I'm

641
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: I never I will never forget this. So I uh, afterwards,

642
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: I get done and Mark worker team comes over and

643
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: he was like, hey man, you need a good job.

644
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: Like that's a talented group of guys. You know, you're

645
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: just a college kid or whatever. And I said, uh, hey, hey, Mark,

646
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: can I ask you a question like why are we

647
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: running ladders like that? Seems weird, Like we're only here

648
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: for three days, You're not trying to get us in shape.

649
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: Good question. We wanted to see if to shape would quit.

650
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you mean they just you know,

651
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: they wanted to see if you was an asshole or not, right, Like,

652
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be the backup point guard, third stree

653
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: point guard, you gotta you gotta not say ship. You

654
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: gotta pick up a dude nine That change temple of

655
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: a game. And they'd be nights when you're not gonna

656
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: play very much because at the time, Damon stotoim I

657
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: was starting point guard, remember right, So and and and

658
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: I think I'm guessing right, nobody's seen you. You know

659
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: you're a guy that challenged the system. Right, you're a guy.

660
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: You know you're a guy and c A violations. They're

661
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna they're gonna try and poke you, right,

662
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: try and try and poke you to see see it. So,

663
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: so how did you react to that? Were you did

664
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: you be defensive? Did you shut down? Or did you

665
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: push through it? What were you like, no, so I

666
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: start arguing with you walked off so so they would

667
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: but they wanted so let me tell you, like and

668
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: I can laugh about it now. But in the moment, yeah,

669
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: in the moment, I'm like, who then is this guy

670
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: talking to you? You know who I am? So I'm

671
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: like in the moment, I remember it was a matter

672
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: of fact, it was coach Anderson. He was running backs

673
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: coach for the Bengals for a bunch of years, right

674
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: and uh, and it made him had laughed about it

675
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: like years later, but like it's it's funny now, and

676
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't believe, like what is this ding doing?

677
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: Like we're here for a workout, bro, Like this is

678
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking in my head. But you know not, nonetheless,

679
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: I ruined the whole moment. And then after that I

680
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: was like I'm not getting drafted, Like got this bombed?

681
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: Like both of these instances, you know what I'm saying,

682
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: There's no way that somebody that somebody would draft me,

683
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Felt what was it like

684
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: to get draft? Um initially, like you feel like this

685
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: cool feeling because I think just to say that hey,

686
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: I've got drafted was cool but I can tell you

687
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: this is the first time that I remember feeling like

688
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: a ship ton of anxiety. Uh. And this was because

689
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I know I wasn't like so I will say this,

690
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: and I hopefully say this, I just understand the word

691
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: it takes to be like the fucking even in the

692
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: conversation of being the best at doing something right the workload,

693
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: and so you don't get to even being a conversation

694
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: if you just don't work or fucking time right in

695
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: all this extra work. So I was honest with myself

696
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: when I knew I had to go to Denver, because

697
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: I said, yo, bro, you didn't even put in a

698
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: fraction of that word to even to even put yourself

699
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: in a position to compete, right, So I was already

700
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: It's like it's like walking into a final final, like

701
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: a test, and knowing you ain't study right and and

702
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: you'd passed other you'd actually kind of passed the other

703
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: tests probably you know by looking it up somebody else's

704
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: paper cheat a little bit right, and you're like, dude,

705
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: I really don't know what I'm doing here. You know

706
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: what you play, but I'm really not prepared for it,

707
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: which gives you anxiety, right, it gives you because you

708
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: know on the inside that you can do it, you're

709
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: not really ready for it. And I'll tell you what happened. Right,

710
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: So I've competed with enough people and a large part

711
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: of my high school career was spent in the boxing

712
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: the right and typically when you spar with somebody, or

713
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: when you see people spar you will see what somebody's

714
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: conditioning breaks down and they say, Okay, here's the fight.

715
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And so I knew all

716
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: the time in sports that at some level of will's

717
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: fall off the car. So every time I'm in Denver,

718
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: like there would be just an instance where my body

719
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: couldn't go no more, like it's too fucking hot, I'm

720
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 1: not in shape, I'm not quick, i haven't been working

721
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: on cuts, I have new working on past catching drills.

722
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: You can just start to see it reveal it self.

723
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: And so, to their credit, like and that's why I

724
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: don't beat Denver up. Denver tried to put mechanisms in

725
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: place to help me. Uh. They try to give me

726
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: a sports psychologists. They used to try to keep me

727
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: back on weekends and say, hey, Mary, let's get you

728
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: in better shape. Uh, they tried all of these things,

729
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: and so when they initially started trying, um, I would

730
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: like I would have spurts like I don't have a

731
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: good day practice on Monday, A decent day on Tuesday,

732
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: better day on Wednesday. Uh, like fucking totally fall off

733
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: the map on Thursday because my body couldn't take it,

734
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: and they were still trying to help me, and so

735
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: like socially it was just too much. Was like, fuck, man,

736
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: this is too hard, Like you gotta you know, you

737
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: have to you have to take this into consideration too.

738
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: I was getting in the house in l A at

739
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: six and seven in the morning because I was living

740
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California lifestyle right and now I'm I'm I'm

741
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: waking up at six and seven in the morning. I'm

742
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: being a professional athlete and the rigger of that, and

743
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: it was just a total lifestyle change of me. I

744
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: wanted to uh continue to do what I was doing

745
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: and going back to l A on the weekends and

746
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: hanging out with my buddies, and I thought it was

747
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: a joke. And eventually over time, like you've seen, like

748
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: you've seen what happened, Like they called me into the

749
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: office and set down the position coach set down coach,

750
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: and it was just time and time agin like, yo, bro,

751
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: we're trying to help you. And then at some point

752
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: they just had enough. You know what I'm saying, Like, Yo, bro,

753
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: we've had enough. We've tried to help you. Uh, you

754
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: know how it goes, like like problematic people, they know

755
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: how big the opportunity is, so they try to do

756
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: things for you to help yourself if you have some

757
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: level of potential. But when you're resistant to all of

758
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: the resources that they have in place, like at some

759
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: point it's like, yo, bro, like you're the fucking fourth

760
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: string runner back. You know what I'm saying, You're not

761
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: a know how state anymore. So that became like, you know, evident,

762
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: and you know that's that's essentially what happened. So when

763
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: they let you go, what happened? Yeah, So I go

764
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: to California, and California didn't feel the same anymore, you know,

765
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: and to anybody who's ever been in l A and

766
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: you got to l A and it felt magical and

767
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: dreamy and cool and just like the best place on earth.

768
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: Like once you become depressed and like once you start

769
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: feeling like shitty personally, like all of this stuff didn't

770
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: feel as cool. And I can remember, I can remember

771
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: the day I decided to leave LA. So I come

772
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: back out to l A and I'm there for maybe

773
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: like a week, and um really still like embarrassed, like

774
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: kind of trying to sort through stuff. And I was

775
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 1: embarrassed at like, yo, you felt in college, you felt

776
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: in the NFL, like where do you go from here?

777
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, a thing that was

778
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: on my mind. And so what ended up happening was

779
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: that I was in the party. And I remember being

780
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: in the party and I was like, Yo, this is

781
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: just this doesn't feel like a party, Like this feels

782
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: like I'm out of place. As I said, I need

783
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: to take myself back to Ohio and basically go back

784
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: to this blue collar mentality and just basically start all over.

785
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: And so I left l A, came back to Ohio

786
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: and really just started all over. And I had every

787
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: intention of going to NFL Europe. And at this time, uh,

788
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: this was maybe September, and they had a m um,

789
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: what is it called a tryout in Orlando that December,

790
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: right should have had triumph and Orlando then whoever goes

791
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: to NFL Europe. They go for the next spring, and

792
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So I said, okay, get

793
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: yourself in shape from September to October, go to NFL

794
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: Europe for a year and get from there. And actually

795
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: had reconnected with a coach Trustle during that time. So

796
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: I come back and I'm working out, and it was

797
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: just another thing. I had so much free time in

798
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: my hands, right, so I got free time in my

799
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: hands and in my mind at this time, Um, I

800
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: still believe that I'm a gangster. Like I'm a gangster

801
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: who plays football. I'm a gangster who just does whatever. Right.

802
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: That's so I'll just jumped back into the streets. And

803
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: so I'm back to the hustling, back to doing everything.

804
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: I basically, uh, when you say I'm back to hustan,

805
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: like what was your what was your hustle? We don't

806
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: just you know, just same thing everybody else to sell them. Okay.

807
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's so t J hushpin data. He joined me.

808
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: He joined me on this pod while back and t

809
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: J he started he was I think thirteen, he was

810
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City. His mom was was on drugs and

811
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: uh and and this is the story he told me

812
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: he started selling because uh, he was shooting dice with

813
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: a buddy, like his best friend, and he said, hey, hey, stop,

814
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: why are we taking each other's money. Let's put the

815
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: money together. Okay, let's go buy some let's cut it

816
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: and let's sell it. Like why are we taking a

817
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: hundred dollars off each other when we could take a

818
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: hundred dollars off somebody else? Flipping it to flip it,

819
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: flip it again, and flip it again and flip it again. Right.

820
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: That that's how That's how he started. Then he moved

821
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: to Barstow, California. And if he had been selling cracked

822
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: before and like telling weed, so the what do you?

823
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: How did how did it start? Like when was the

824
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: first time you sold? Oh, this is eight grade? It

825
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: had to be eighth grade. I wrote about the whole

826
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: thing in my book that basically put out and it

827
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: literally started to eighth grade. But let's comes from just

828
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: watching guys in my neighborhood, watching my older brother and

829
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: just watching basically guys make money from just enlictit activities,

830
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, rather selling drugs or whatever

831
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: crime didn't committing And basically that's how I started started

832
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: with U uh some crack. At this time, this was

833
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: about a court rounds of crack and basically set up

834
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: shopping inside of a girl's house. The girl's house, but

835
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: it was a woman who was a druge got it.

836
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: And I would go to school and run track and

837
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: play basketball and play football, and after I was done,

838
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: I would go to her house and basically she would

839
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: help me to sell the drugs until I figured out

840
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: what was going on. And you know, you like, I

841
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, even when you look at it

842
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: as a thirty seven year old a thought now that

843
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: sounds like so crazy, but when you're inside of those environments,

844
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: it just seems like, you know, it seems as simple

845
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: as going to the store and going to get packet

846
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: chips are back and chips or something. It's just really hard.

847
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: I think what you're is what everybody it's it's I'm

848
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: not excusing what Mike Big did with dogs, right, but

849
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: it's again, if you brought up an environment where dudes

850
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: fight dogs, it's just different. Then if you're brought up

851
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: in a in a house in the suburbs with you know,

852
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: two parents and a two car garage and everybody goes

853
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: to work like, it's just that's the environment you're raised

854
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: in and it feels normal to you, like where to me,

855
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: it's like like I don't even seem cracker or or co.

856
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I saw weed when I

857
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: was in high school, I was like freaked out by it.

858
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: But again that's my environment that I was I was

859
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: brought up in, right, so, but but it had to

860
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: be different when you're Maurice Clarette and you're an Ohio

861
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: selling right, that's it feels to me like that's especially

862
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: on one level, you'll get the dude to be like, yo,

863
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: I want to buy off Maurice Colt. On the other hand,

864
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: like that that that feels especially risky. What what is

865
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: it like to be a star football player who got

866
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: this little side hustle going on the same time, here's

867
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: the thing about it. Even the people from your neighborhood,

868
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: they don't view you any different, right, so the world

869
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: views you as more recent correct, the people in my

870
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: neighborhood and family members viewed me a reach, you know

871
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So like it's it's like it's as

872
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: we're even talking about this something like man, sports blend

873
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: so many cultures together. You know what I'm saying. And

874
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: even as you were talking about that, I was like, man,

875
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: just how normal that is to people are grolf at

876
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: and just how abnormal. And then you blend all these

877
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: cultures and these mentalities. Of course we're trying to accomplish

878
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: a gold through whatever sport. But it was just normal,

879
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: you know. There wasn't like, um, hey man, I hope

880
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: you make it back to the NFL. You know, you

881
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: can say you wish you had more people around who

882
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: are like that, but you're dealing with people who are

883
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: survival mode. So if you have something to help them, um,

884
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, creative means to an end they don't view

885
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: or care about more correct, you know what I'm saying.

886
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: So like, I feel like this because I live in

887
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: the suburbs. I live in a affluent suburb over here

888
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio. And the biggest thing that I can

889
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: say is that when you're in dealing in more inner

890
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: cities of survival mentality, right like, basically some surviving basically necessities,

891
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: basic bills, basic everything. And that's the that's the dominant culture.

892
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: It's not everybody. Is the dominant mindset or mentality of

893
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: most people where when you're when you're in a suburban environment,

894
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: you're more focused on building and um in structure and

895
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: organization and and there's no threat or there's no there's

896
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: no sense of urgency. You know that you're not you're

897
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: not what this is. This is actually a great And

898
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: I have the succession sometimes with guys that grew up

899
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: in you know, in in uh in urban environments, and

900
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: their challenge now is like, now we have kids, right,

901
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: and you want to give your kids everything you didn't have.

902
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: On the other hand, they watched their kids play like, manh,

903
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: dude is soft this ship Like yeah, because he ain't

904
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: fightened for his next meal, right, he ain't. He ain't

905
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: hooping for his next I didn't grow up I mean like, look,

906
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up in I grew up by the

907
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: lower middle class and town called Orange. Right. My dad

908
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: lost his job in the mid eighties coaching college basketball

909
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: and he had to he had to figure it out,

910
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: and he just kind of figured it out. Um. So

911
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: there's a certain type of hunger with with with with

912
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: how I with how I played. That was naturally instilled

913
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: in me. And he was he's when he was a

914
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: kid early on, he lived in the Bronx, and then

915
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: by the time he was a teenager they were affluent.

916
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: But anyway, the point is that every most former professional

917
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: athletes I know, like they're big challenges, Like, man, my

918
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: kid is soft because we give him some because we

919
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: don't want him to grow up the way we grew up. Right,

920
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: So there's I think an understanding with people on how

921
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: that that sharpen you and makes you hungrier. On the

922
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: other hand, it's a very different environment and the ability

923
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: to I gotta figure out how to put food on

924
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: my table, I gotta get the money in my pocket,

925
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: and this is just a very normal way to do so.

926
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: So you you go back, you go to Columbus, you're

927
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: doing your hustle. We mentioned you reconnected with coach Dressel. Well,

928
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: it's about what was that really like? Was it was it?

929
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: Was he just checking in on you? Or did he

930
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: really give a ship about what was happening. No. I

931
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: reached out to him to help me get to NFL Europe,

932
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, because I didn't have a path and I

933
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: knew I was lost, and I was I was like, um,

934
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: like one thing, I've done a lot of stupid ship,

935
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: but I'm not dumb you know what I'm saying, and

936
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: so like I'm pretty obvious, pretty pretty obvious, right yea.

937
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: So I reached out to him and I said, Yo, bro,

938
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm lost, you know what I mean. But I knew,

939
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: I knew, like, you know, just coaches, you could be

940
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: honest with coaches. I think coaches they just see you

941
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: in so many different vulnerable situations, uh, through through action effort.

942
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 1: They just know who you are, you know what I'm saying.

943
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: And I was like, Yo, I just need some help

944
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: getting from A to B is. So he was, yo,

945
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: let me try to tea this up for you to

946
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: get down to Orlando. But he just needed me to

947
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: make it from September to December. And it wasn't. It

948
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: wasn't like what happened from six am to maybe eight

949
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: am after I got done training. The destruction came from

950
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: just so much free time throughout the day. So essentially

951
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: what happened was I committed robbery in downtown Columbus was

952
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve, um two thousand and five. I was

953
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: in two thousand five transition two thousand and six, and

954
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: so that compellily if you don't if you don't mind

955
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: indulged me. So you say, what was it? Was it

956
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: a long time planning? Was it spur of the moment? Yeah? No,

957
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: So so I thought somebody else was like, so somebody

958
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: else was supposed to be back there? What the person

959
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: who are end up robbing? And what end up happening

960
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: was I went back to it? So where where is what? What?

961
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: Somebody else? What are you talking about? No, this is

962
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: just some some inter dealings. I have somebody and I

963
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: thought that they were back in the alley leaving the

964
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: nightclub that they own, and so I was going to

965
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: approach them in the back to try to uh take

966
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: something that was mine or you know that we had

967
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: a previous discussion on and it wasn't back there. So

968
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: whoever was back there, which happened to be two victims,

969
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: I end up robbing those two victims. So they were

970
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: they were just innocent, to be honest with you, they

971
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: were innocent. They had nothing to do with nothing. They

972
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: didn't you know, They just happened to be in the

973
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong tow with somebody who just

974
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: had like somebody got a shitty mood at the time,

975
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: which was me and so you know, um and then

976
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: end up basically getting um charged and caught for that,

977
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: I bonded out. When did you get when? And how

978
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: did you get picked out? Uh? So the robbery happened

979
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: that day and that was like on a Friday, Saturday.

980
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: And then I turned myself in on a Monday and

981
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: probably bound bonded out on a Tuesday. So it all

982
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: happened like within the four to five days span. Was

983
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: that the first time ain't been arrested. I got arrested

984
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: as a juvenile, but the first time as an adult. Yeah, okay,

985
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: well when you're in Columbus, Yeah, that was the first time,

986
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: like I like, like I remember. So my deal was

987
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: I took a couple of kids credit cards and then

988
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: I drove home with my brother and you know, I

989
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: thought nothing of it. It was like fifty bucks, stupid ship,

990
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: right and I and then what happened was they found

991
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: out because and I thought, like, it's credit cards. They

992
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: are all going to there, the charges are going to

993
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: their parents. These are all rich kids. Nobody will nobody

994
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: will know, right, And somebody looked down like jewelry because

995
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: I got like a stupid bracelet or whatever, dumb shit, right,

996
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: and which I still have by the way. Um so

997
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I paid through I paid through my

998
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: nose for that ship, you know, restitution and all that

999
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: other stuff right right, you know it is it's like

1000
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: this is what the bottom looks like. So um so.

1001
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: But but anyway, um I was they were They just

1002
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: wanted me to leave and I didn't want to leave.

1003
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: And anyway, uh, there was an article in the school

1004
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: newspaper about me transferring out and everybody had said, I

1005
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: just transferred to stay close to home. The students are involved,

1006
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: got pissed, they go down to the NBC station. It

1007
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: becomes a real thing. They charged me. I had to

1008
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: fly back and go through it, and it was it was.

1009
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: It ended up being a misdemean or whatever. But I

1010
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: will never forget the moment where you're doing your fingerprints

1011
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: and they take your picture, you know, front and to

1012
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: the side, and you're you're looking and you're like, this

1013
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: is fucking real, you know, and um did you did

1014
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: you have that or were you such in a bad place? No,

1015
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just normal, the normal booking process, weren't

1016
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: it just you know, you go down there. Well I

1017
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: kind of know the booking process from just being in

1018
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: the juvenile system and having brothers go through the system.

1019
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: So I went down, you know, got arrested, they take

1020
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: you to book, you and being you know. Um, but

1021
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: I also knew going in to it that I would

1022
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: be out within like twenty four hours because the attorney

1023
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: who I walked me down there kind of like walking

1024
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: me through like, hey, we'll come and get you out

1025
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours. So essentially that's what happened. And

1026
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a long and it wasn't like some

1027
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: long and arduous like sort of process. It was just

1028
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: short to the point, get in, get out, and go

1029
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: from there. But just the way I felt about life

1030
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: was different after that. Um. I think that probably two

1031
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: thousand six January two probably when I got picked up

1032
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: in August. Uh. And this is a real thing. I

1033
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: don't think people, um one, I don't think I understand

1034
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: the depths of stress and depression and how you can

1035
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: just uh you can you can get into a phone

1036
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: and know you're on the phone and know you have

1037
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: to get out the phone, but you can't get out

1038
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: the phone just because you just you just don't even

1039
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: know where to start, right. And I think that couple

1040
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: with a lack of sleep. Uh, this is real funny.

1041
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: I just remember when they said Michael Jackson had died

1042
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: because he couldn't be going to sleep. Right. One of

1043
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: the most um toughest things I've ever been through my

1044
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: life in general, was that in two thousand and six,

1045
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep more in like thirty minutes, you know

1046
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, just all the stress on my brain,

1047
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: all of the thinking, the overthinking, the analyzing, the feeling

1048
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: sorry for yourself, all that stuff, I just couldn't go

1049
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: to sleep. And so I literally would just toss and

1050
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: turn and toss and turn. And if you've never tried

1051
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: to live a day or or go through a day

1052
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: when you just not have sleep and just it's not

1053
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: just feel horrible, you know what I'm saying, thank you,

1054
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: jo all awful. So if you're gonna feel sick and

1055
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: then you're jittery, and then you know, it's a and

1056
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: and ye add in depression that you're already going through, right,

1057
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's a it's a it's a

1058
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: it's a it's a vortex. It's a negative vortex, and

1059
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: you're spinning down and you're just trying to kind of

1060
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: reach up, reach up and stuff. So this lasted in

1061
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: January until August, August until I got arrested. Yes, and

1062
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: so essentially, you know, we're on a huge police chase,

1063
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: um since you got rested, caught with guns, the whole nine.

1064
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: And I always say, man like, um, people can believe

1065
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: in whatever they want to, but I do believe that

1066
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: there is divine intervention in some things, right, And I

1067
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: think that even the night that I got arrested, in

1068
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: the intentions I had of harmonos people and getting arrested

1069
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: like literally like probably blocks away from where these people

1070
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 1: were from doing a U turn. Uh, it was probably

1071
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: the greatest thing to happened to me. You know, I'm saying,

1072
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: like it probably spared people. Uh, go ahead, and you

1073
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: would be in jail for the rest of your life. Right.

1074
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: So okay, so so take me to that. I'm sure

1075
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: you remember the start of that day. Okay, what what happened?

1076
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: What happened in that day? So the so the start

1077
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: of the day, Uh, just thinking to myself, like you know,

1078
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: in my everything deserves context, right, So I think, on

1079
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: this gangster, who's going to kill witnesses so they don't

1080
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: show up in uh and testify against me at this

1081
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: for the for the previous thing outside the nightclub Robert, Yes, yes,

1082
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,959
Speaker 1: you know. So it's to say you even think about

1083
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: like you're about to bring harm to people who have

1084
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: nothing to do with anything, okay, so so so so

1085
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: that you wake up that's your intention. You already had

1086
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the guns or did you have to go buy the guy?

1087
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: You know? I had to? How many guns did you have? Uh? Really? Really?

1088
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: The TV made it seem a lot more elaborate than

1089
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: what it was. But I just had a handgun on

1090
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: the seat. Are the bigger guns in the back seat?

1091
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: But the handgun was the only thing I had and

1092
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: other guns were in the back. So I had three guns,

1093
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: but you had three or four? I was the three

1094
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: or four? I don't remember. Like it was so volument

1095
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: what kind of what kind of car? What kind of car?

1096
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: I was using my mother's Handai she had Honde Santa Fe. Okay,

1097
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: so you're rolling him on my mom's Honde Santa Fe. Yeah,

1098
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: black smoking a black and mild like what let me

1099
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: I mean smoking to switch your swee or something? Right? No,

1100
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: it it was. It wasn't movie esque. It was It

1101
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: was pretty simple with to say you are you dressed?

1102
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: Up and you're a ready, You're ready to execute some

1103
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: delusional missions. So so I mean, hey, you ever shout

1104
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: at a person before your life? I don't know, man, No,

1105
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: I've never shot nobody in my life. I don't know.

1106
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: I read that one. I let that one go for

1107
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: a second. So so you're you're driving to where you

1108
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: think these people are? And why did what caused you

1109
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: to make a you? Was it your conscience? You got

1110
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: off for the wrong exit, got the wrong exit? So

1111
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: so so it was just an exit that you know,

1112
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: loops around in one direction and um, like you know

1113
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: you can get off with the wrong exit. You get off,

1114
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: you get off for one exit takes north and another

1115
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: one takes you solf just off the exit. Okay, so

1116
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: you get off for the wrong exit. And then when

1117
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: did when did the cops? How did the cops find you? How?

1118
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: How did that? How did that happen? Just just to

1119
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: be honest with you, RO just made a U turn

1120
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: and uh a cop have been sitting in like a

1121
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: home before parking lot, And I said, like me, use

1122
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: are I seen him? And when he jumps out of

1123
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: the I want to make the U turn. He jumps

1124
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: out of the parking lot and he puts his uh

1125
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: lights on. He puts his lights on. He's walking up

1126
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: to the car or pulled me over, walking up to

1127
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: the car. As he walks up to the car, I

1128
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: pull off. And you know, at this point I'm trying

1129
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: to get away, and when I'm trying to get away, uh,

1130
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: And it had to be like when when I made

1131
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: the U turn, Like I don't know if cops to

1132
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: notify the people that they're like in the area doing

1133
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: uh uh stop with some sorts. But you know, probably

1134
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: within like five minutes, bro, I was like, I don't know,

1135
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: probably three or four cars chasing you know what I'm saying,

1136
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: And so like it didn't take longer. You didn't You

1137
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: never did? Did you? Did you pull over first? And

1138
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: then he starts walking to car. You take off? Yeah

1139
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: that's what happened. Yeah I thought I thought I just

1140
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: said that. Yeah, So he walked up to the car.

1141
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: He did. I just want to make sure that I

1142
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: do want to make sure that's clear. So you he

1143
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 1: liked you up right, you pull over. He starts walking

1144
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: up in the car. You know that when he walks

1145
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: up in the cars and see the guns, right he

1146
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: listen to me, so you can hie to hang gun,

1147
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: you can hie to vest what you can have to

1148
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: a K four or seven, you know what I'm saying.

1149
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: And so that the a K forty seven was sitting

1150
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: on the seat, so I know he I knew he

1151
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: was going to see that. And so after that, just

1152
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: you know, I took off and I was like, hey,

1153
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, like I'll tell like this even though like

1154
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get caught. You're just trying to

1155
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: delay the process. You know. At the end of the day,

1156
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: that's all that was. You didn't think you get you

1157
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: think like I know the straits better than anybody else

1158
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: I can. Like no, I mean so so like in

1159
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: a more serious vein like once he once he put

1160
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: the lights on, like at that point, you know your

1161
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: cap like like let's be serious. You in Honda Center,

1162
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: fe you know what I'm saying, Like you know you're

1163
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: not going to get away. This is Columbus, Ohio. This

1164
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: isn't like somebody were to have like three police officers

1165
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: that patrol the town, to have an entire police force.

1166
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: This is a major American city, you know what I'm saying.

1167
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: And how how did you how did you invent chilly,

1168
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: give up today, spike your tires today, banging No. So

1169
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: I was I was driving, and I was driving towards

1170
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: It's a town called Pickerington, and it's it's sort of

1171
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: like rule like once you get to the backside of

1172
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: picker Into this's like that's our rule. And it sounds like, man,

1173
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: I can't go out here and get away, like there's

1174
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: no way that I'm basically going to get out there.

1175
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: So I turned around in some way, I was like, Okay,

1176
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: if I get to the inner city, at least I

1177
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: can get out of the run. But by this time

1178
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: I had, you know, like I said, four or five

1179
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: police officers behind me, and they threw the spike strips

1180
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: out there and they busted the tires and I pulled

1181
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: over and after that that was it, you know what

1182
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And next thing, you know, get on the carn.

1183
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: You know, they take to put a spit mask over

1184
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: my face, and um, you know it teased me and

1185
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: throw me in the in the back of the car.

1186
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: And after that that was it. What do you remember

1187
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: about about Like, there's obviously an incredible aount of adrenaline

1188
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: there right right here, adrenaline. You're not sleepy. Um, I

1189
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: had just no at this point though, Like this may

1190
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: sound crazy to others, but at some point, like you

1191
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: become relieved because you you're now out of your way. Right.

1192
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: So anybody, anybody like in a self destructive mode that

1193
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 1: like their ego won't let them tell you why they're

1194
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: in the mode that they need help, right, But all

1195
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: you're really saying is like, yo, bro, I seed somebody

1196
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: to help me manage this ship. I don't even know

1197
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: where to start with my life. So in a roundabout way, um,

1198
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: that day, which was probably the worst when going through

1199
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: it when you look back on it, it was the

1200
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: first time that uh, the circumstances have forced me to

1201
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: be locked in the cage, locked away from doing are

1202
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: continuously to destroy myself mentally and physically and spiritually, and

1203
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: I just allowed to put the pause in my life.

1204
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: But you know, I credit that day August nine, two

1205
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: thousand and what was that two thousand and six, So

1206
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: it's probably the greatest of like my adult life, you know,

1207
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about that that was better than even

1208
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: the birth of my kids. And in the real reason,

1209
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: like I don't even think I'll be here, had that

1210
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: day not happened, I just don't even think that I'm

1211
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: even you know, remotely even thinking of like how you

1212
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: even live your life. You know, so like like unless

1213
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: you've been through a traumatic situation or unless you've been

1214
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: through ship that's had forced you to reflect, you don't

1215
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: really you take everything for grant. Everything a fucking joke.

1216
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: Everything is like you know what I'm saying, But when

1217
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: you really go through like something serious, you're like, yo,

1218
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: I gotta like grow up, you know what I'm saying.

1219
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: And so like, obviously it took me months to get

1220
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: to that point, but at the end of the day,

1221
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: had that day not happened to stop me? And then

1222
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: you're in an institution, So you're in a sale, you're

1223
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: forced to stay here, you're forced to go anywhere. There's

1224
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: no drinking, drugs, you can't hide from yourself. You know,

1225
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: at that point, you're dealing with your reality. And that's

1226
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: essentially what happened. That's what August ninth had basically UM

1227
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: assisted me in doing years ago. Yeah, m all right,

1228
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: so um, what's Oh so they take me booked me

1229
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: um on the third floor. You know, when you're high

1230
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: profile individual or if you have a notorized case. They

1231
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: take you and put you in individual sales, and so

1232
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: you're in a big dormitory on the dormitory, but you're

1233
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: a big hallway full of individual sales. So this is what, um,

1234
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, twenty three hour long down, so twenty minutes

1235
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: to shower, twenty minutes to use the phone, another twenty

1236
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: minutes to go to another sell and workout. And so

1237
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: when you're in here, you know, I'm just giving like

1238
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: the framework of it. You know, you eat that four am,

1239
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, two ten am, and you eat again like

1240
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: four pm something like that. Like it's from four to four.

1241
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: And this is like all of your meals. Um, there's

1242
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: no windows and sucking darkest ships. You don't know when

1243
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: it's day or night, Like you have no fucking daylight.

1244
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: Um with anything, Uh, you have no nothing. There is nothing.

1245
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: That's just you and your thoughts and so um the

1246
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: first part of there and like and then I was

1247
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: locked up where there was one person down the hall.

1248
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: But there's nobody to talk to you. So it just you.

1249
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: That's how I say, like just stick yourself in the room.

1250
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: Is just you, you know, say you have the people

1251
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: who come by and and pass out food or that

1252
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: passed out the commissary list. But that's as much as

1253
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: human interaction as you get, rather than that's you in

1254
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: a eight by leve and Sell and you're just thinking.

1255
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: And so initially the only piece of information you have

1256
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: to read is the Bible or some sort of religious

1257
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: material just because it's you know, required, So you're reading that.

1258
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: Then you start to get mailed from fans, and then

1259
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: you start to reflecting what people are talking to you about. Uh,

1260
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: did then the did the did the did the Bible?

1261
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: Regonate what you do it? There was there, there was

1262
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: you know. So I think the only thing that really

1263
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: made sense was that. And I think you can any day.

1264
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: We can crack it today. And I think anybody can

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01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: always receive something from Proverbs and Ecclesiastics. And I think

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Speaker 1: that you know, unless you're unless you're into wanting to

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Speaker 1: understand the books of the Bible, it just sounds like

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Speaker 1: a bunch of words, right, It sounds like a bunch

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Speaker 1: of words and stories, and yeah, so you don't you

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Speaker 1: don't really have a connection to it. But if you

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Speaker 1: can go to Proverbs, you can you can dissect any

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Speaker 1: verse from Proverbs and apply to regular life and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is wisdom that I can apply towards anything. All

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Speaker 1: self health books are just derived from the Bible. Ones

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Speaker 1: in self experience, you know what I'm saying, and so, uh,

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Speaker 1: but I will tell you what happens. So I was

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Speaker 1: there for seven months. One it was the first time

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Speaker 1: that I was diagnosed of severe anxiety and depression. That's

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Speaker 1: my started taking mental health medication. And the second part

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Speaker 1: was that, uh, and I always credit this this chapter

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Speaker 1: of my life to a small book as a man

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Speaker 1: thinking like so getting arrested and reading as a man thinking,

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Speaker 1: we're probably top five moments of my adult life, like

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Speaker 1: those are two you know what I'm saying. That was

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Speaker 1: like the greatest ship that happened to me. And so

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Speaker 1: this is the first time that I read something and

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Speaker 1: it it was basically talking about you control what you think. Right,

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Speaker 1: So as a man, think, it's so show he has

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Speaker 1: come nothing but thought, nothing, nothing changes but thought. The

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Speaker 1: circumstances the character man should be revealed up under every condition.

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Speaker 1: And it was illustrating on how everything that goes into

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Speaker 1: your mind, everything that goes into your eyes, um, everything

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Speaker 1: that basically uh sorry, everything everything that basically happens to you.

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Speaker 1: Um you intend or whether you want to accept it

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Speaker 1: or not. You create the world that you're living. All

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Speaker 1: the words that come aut your mouth become a part

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Speaker 1: of your life, the jokes to settle statements, the statements

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Speaker 1: set on intention, the music you listen to. And I

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Speaker 1: had never connected it like that, But after it was

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Speaker 1: illustrated to me like that, I was like, oh, this

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Speaker 1: ship makes sense, right, And so I thought to myself,

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Speaker 1: like how much I thought that that's always talked about

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Speaker 1: what I thought it was a gangster, right, So no

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Speaker 1: matter if I was playing football or running people over,

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Speaker 1: I still thought I was a gangster playing football. So

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Speaker 1: that gangster mentality helped me to break the tackle. Or

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Speaker 1: if I'm looking at you coming to get a blitz, like, motherfucker,

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Speaker 1: I'm a gangster. There is no way you're gonna bowl

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Speaker 1: me over, you know what I'm saying. And if you

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Speaker 1: look at athletes, younger guys, you can see it in them,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You can look at how

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Speaker 1: a guy he maybe out there dribbling the ball, dunking,

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Speaker 1: passing everything, but he's going to be illustrating some fashion,

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Speaker 1: how he feels he is right. There's a difference between

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Speaker 1: the guy said I'm g honest and I'm just sucking

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Speaker 1: dunking everywhere because I'm just excited to play the game

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Speaker 1: in comparison to another player who feels like, bitch, I

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Speaker 1: grew up on the play ground, I grew up in

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Speaker 1: a struggle. I feel like I'm a gangster plane of sport, right,

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Speaker 1: and uh, and you can see it. I can if

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Speaker 1: I if I've seen people, I be like, I can

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Speaker 1: see that. I can. You can just see it if

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Speaker 1: you know it, right. So what I what I'm basically

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Speaker 1: saying is that that helped me to understand how I

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Speaker 1: was in that situation, and so as crazy as it

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Speaker 1: seemed to everybody else, I was happy that I was like, fuck,

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Speaker 1: I can like think about my situation. I can think

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Speaker 1: about where I'm at. I can understand why I'm in

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Speaker 1: a situation. But also I can get out of this

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Speaker 1: situation just changing my thinking. Right. I used to read

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Speaker 1: a bunch of Dwayne dire to nothing changes to the

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Speaker 1: nothing changes the way you think are until UNTI the

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Speaker 1: way you think changes something like that. But the power

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Speaker 1: of intention, right, He's always talking about living with intention,

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Speaker 1: to living on purposes. So prior to two thousand and six,

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of this ship before it was academia

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Speaker 1: to stay eligible for classes. There wasn't any critical thinking,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't any congnitive processing, there wasn't any reasoning. There

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Speaker 1: wasn't any of that ship. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, So that's that's Part two. Part three is

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Speaker 1: about what now You will not believe his personal turnaround,

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Speaker 1: his personal success story, which you started to see the

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Speaker 1: blueprints of in talking about his time while being confined.

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Speaker 1: But there's there's so much more to it. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for listening. Remember you can listen to Doug Outlan

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Speaker 1: Show daily three to six Eastern twelve three pecific I

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Speaker 1: friend about this, send it tweeted out if you like it.

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Speaker 1: This I could. I'm sure Maurice will love it if

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Speaker 1: you share some of his story and some I mean,

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Speaker 1: and that stuff is crazy, right, Like he doesn't make

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Speaker 1: a U turn, like he's in jail for the rest

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Speaker 1: of his life. That's really that continues to resonate with me.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for listening, Download, subscribe, RT. Write a review,

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Speaker 1: even if it's a common one. I think I actually

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Speaker 1: might make some money if you write a review, especially

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Speaker 1: a good one. And if I don't, maybe you make

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Speaker 1: some money. Okay, maybe you don't, but still sounded good

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Speaker 1: at the time. I'm Doug Gottli. This is all ball

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