1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: You had hopes it wouldn't be this week, not against 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Well it was this week. Joe Burrow is 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: back to being Joe Burrow at the Cardinals expense. Welcome 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calvicy joins me after 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: making his debut as a Color analyst. So we got 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: to give Polly his props under very difficult circumstances. Then 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: it's onto analyzing the game. A thirty four to twenty 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: loss that felts much worse. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: six eighty three, and it starts now. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: Buda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Azycardinals 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: dot com Slash podcasts. 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: He's a a ten half of five? He's it again? 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: So far Harry Magic? Whoa? 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: Here's Craig agree a little. 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: I want to start the show, Paul by extending our 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: condolences to our friend, our colleague, Ron Wolfley. His younger 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: brother Dale passed away suddenly on Saturday night. That's why 21 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: wolf was not at the game, and why you joined 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: Dave patch up in the booth for the broadcast. Our 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: thoughts are with wolf and the entire Wolfley family. 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, And it was a day on Sunday. 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: It was a tragic day. You never want to ever 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: be in that situation where you have to fill in 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: for one of our longtime colleagues and really good friends, 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 3: and for him to lose his younger brother suddenly, like 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: that someone I've known since the late nineties, who Wolfe 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: and his older brother Craig affectionately referred to as Soda 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: Pop from the movie The Outsiders. That's how they fashion 32 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: themselves as those three brothers. They're really tight. A few 33 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: months ago is during the offseason, they have the Wolfly 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: Brothers podcast that Dale would run, and I joined them 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: during the weekend with April or May, and I was 36 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: the first one into the zoom and so I got 37 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: to reconnect with Dale. And not only was Dale standout 38 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: player at West Virginia and part of the broadcast team 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: over the last decade. He's a big dude. He's former 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 3: offensive lineman and his early days, his younger days, he 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: was a bodyguard for Prince. He was a bodyguard from 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: Michael Bolton. He was a bodyguard for someone else. Wolf 43 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: will give you all the details. But Dale was a 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: bad man, very large, very skilled. He was MMA and 45 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: black belt before that was all the rage and yeah, 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: he was entrusted by some of the biggest celebrities in 47 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: music to be their bodyguard. So and then we got 48 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: to see him. I saw him in person at the Greenbrier. 49 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: We went years ago, Greenbrier that went into Morgantown. And 50 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 3: so all the best to everyone in the Wolfley family. 51 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: No closer brothers than the Wolfley brothers, Craig, Ron and Dale. 52 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: We're thinking about you a wolf and hope to see 53 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: you soon. When that is who knows. But do what 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: you need to do to take care of yourself and 55 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: your family first and foremost. And I told you before 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: we started here on Cardinals cover to Paul that considering 57 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: the circumstances and last minute tap on that shoulder, next 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: man up mentality, I thought you performed exceptionally. I enjoyed 59 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: listening to you and Pash And again it's a different 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: analyst hat a different view, but I thought you performed 61 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: very very well in that booth, sitting next to day patch. No. 62 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: I appreciate that, I really do. I generally appreciate that 63 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: there was definitely a level of trepidation. Never for everything 64 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: we've all done in this business, and right and what 65 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: are we these days? Were multi media content providers. You 66 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: have to do a little bit of everything on all fronts. 67 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: Never ever did I think I would be sitting in 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: an analyst chair calling an NFL game and look, I 69 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: didn't analyze the game, but hopefully try to bring some 70 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 3: of the storylines and some of what was being said 71 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: in the locker room by all the players, and try 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: and you know, forecast Okay, what might happen next? What 73 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: did just happen? And according to the players? You know 74 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: not the day Pass really needed me, to be honest 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: with your Dave could just call the entire top five 76 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: play by play man on the planet. It is amazing 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: to sit next to day Pass and watch him work. 78 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: He is a maestro, not only not only in knowing 79 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: and recognizing all the names in the yard lines and 80 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 3: the officials calls, but able to put everything in perspective 81 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: and give the storylines and be flawless behind the mic 82 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: and generate the excitement and the game and the crescendos 83 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: he reaches in his calls. He is truly a master 84 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: at his craft, and that's something I never thought i'd 85 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: get a chance to do. Sit next to day passion, 86 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: watch him work in person, because I'm always down on 87 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: the sideline. So it was an experience. And let's hope 88 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: that I'm never in that chair again and that Wolf 89 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: is back with us as soon as as possible. 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned thinking about what you anticipated happening when 91 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: you talk to everyone, you listen, you read, and what 92 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: was our concern? Our question going into this Week five 93 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: matchup against the Cincinnati Bank Bengals was Joe Burrow is 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: this going to be the week? And you hoped it 95 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: would not be at the Cardinal's expense, and it did 96 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: come at the Cardinals expense. Joe Burrow maybe not completely healthy, 97 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: but certainly over whatever was ailing him as far as 98 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: at CAF issue, because he was a lot more mobile. 99 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: And you saw what we all anticipated seeing from the 100 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: Bengals this season thirty four to twenty and Joe Burrow 101 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: to Jamar Chase outstanding. The Cardinals had no answers at 102 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: all the entire game on stopping Chase and Burrow beat 103 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, a lot extra time in the pocket and 104 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: being able to find number one whenever he basically wanted to. 105 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: There were a few seconds left in the third quarter, 106 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: first and ten, Bengals in their own territory, and Joe 107 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: Burrow takes off running for a first down, and you're like, okay, alrighty, 108 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: Joey sandbagger, and I sit on the air. Obviously he 109 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 3: was sandbagging. Based on what he told the media midweek 110 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: when he said, A big part of my game in 111 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 3: the past has been sealing first downs with my legs, 112 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: depending on the situation and the defense. I haven't been 113 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: able to do that. Well, that was past tense what 114 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: he told the medium. Maybe he knew at that moment 115 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: he had turned a quarter corner because he certainly looked 116 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: like it. I mean, the Bengals Twitter account put out 117 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: Joey Wheels, so everything you thought, maybe that he was 118 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 3: ailing and ailing going into the game, and he's going 119 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 3: to be a sitting duck and an immovable you know, 120 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 3: at Tom Brady at the end of his career at 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: Peyton Manning, Oh, if he's either going to get rid 122 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: of it quickly or just go down. Obviously that didn't happen, 123 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: bought time on the first touchdown pass, so. 124 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: I know. 125 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: Off the top of the broadcast, we talked about how 126 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: the one in three Bengals were this year's evidence of 127 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: the old Wall Street axiom that past performance does not 128 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: guarante future results, and we had a little bit of 129 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: fun at the Bengals expense. Well, guess what a year 130 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: ago they started zero two and ripped off twelve out 131 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: of fourteen, and they looked like that team again. 132 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: Burrow completed his first ten pass attempts, was thirty six 133 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: of forty six for three hundred and seventeen yards, three touchdowns, 134 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: all to Jamar Chase, who again you go back to 135 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: comments that were made after Week four heading into Week 136 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: five and that viral video of Jamar Chase talking about quote, 137 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm open, I'm always bleeping open, And yes he was open, Paul. 138 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: He was targeted a total of nineteen times. 139 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 2: Wow. 140 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: Chase said, a season high one hundred and ninety two 141 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: receiving yards, a single franchise game record with fifteen catches, 142 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: and tied his career high with three touchdowns. And that 143 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 1: was that was. I mean again, if you're a fan 144 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: of football, it was fun to watch if you're a 145 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: Cardinals fan, very very frustrating. 146 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: And look, he had the sixty three yarder, obviously, and 147 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: that was a big turning point in the game. How 148 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: you end a half, how you start the second half, 149 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: and the Bengals won both cases. He had to pick 150 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: six before half. Then they had the sixty three yard 151 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: strike coming out of the halftime locker room on the 152 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: third play of the third quarter. 153 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: I get it. 154 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: But beyond that, what we talked about in the broadcast 155 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: was Joe Burrow was just taking what the defense was 156 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: giving him. And how many times was there a ten 157 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: plus yard cushion on Jamar Chase And you saw Joe 158 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: Burrell immediately look towards number one as his number one 159 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: read and if the cushion was there, the ball was there. 160 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: They just went straight at Jamar Chase. And so whereas 161 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: I think we had an expectation going into the game 162 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: that there would be double coverage on Jamar Chase, that 163 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 3: there would be pressman coverage in his face or at 164 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: least a bracket over the top and someone in the 165 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: flat and trying, that didn't happen a lot of the game. 166 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: And Joe Burrow said, okay, and maybe the Cardinals dared 167 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: him to put together ten twelve fifteen play drives, and 168 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: we know the degree of difficulty in the NFL, but 169 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: it's Joe Burrow and since he looked like the highest 170 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: paid player in the game, at least physically. Again, for 171 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: the most part, yeah, he executed. 172 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: Saw a lot of Marco Wilson traveling with Jamar Chase, 173 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: and when I say traveling meaning traveling behind. He was 174 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: chasing Chase all game long, and it did not look good, 175 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: especially the two touchdowns, the two shorter touchdowns. Wilson was 176 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: spun around the back of the end zone on one 177 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: and then the second one, he and Jalen Thompson were 178 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: kind of chasing towards the near corner of the end zone, 179 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: at least from mar vantage point in press box. And 180 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: it just again the difference is do you have the 181 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: ability to one cover but also rush the quarterback? And yeah, 182 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: there were three sacks, but Burrow was able to buy 183 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: time in the pocket elude the rush a lot more 184 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: mobile than I think we all anticipated him being. And 185 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: if you're asking a corner, even the best corners in 186 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: the game to cover a split second longer a full second, 187 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: a second and a half longer. Any quarterback is going 188 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: to beat that defense, and I think we saw a 189 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: lot of that on Sunday. 190 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: Totally agree. There were too many times where Joe Burrow 191 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: had too much time that final that third touchdown pass. 192 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: How many seconds did he have in the pocket and 193 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: he's sort of moving to his right, just waiting, just 194 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: anticipating that eventually Jamar Chase is gonna get open. Sure enough, 195 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: he did back of the end zone. To your point, 196 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: you can go in and you can say, okay, we're 197 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: gonna take away their top receiver. How many teams did 198 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: that over fifteen years of Larry Fitzgerald And how successful 199 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: was that. Jamar Chase isn't the same body type, but 200 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: he's the same sort of receiver in that he's great 201 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: at the point of attack. And that's what the dB 202 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: said going into the game, that you have your justin Jefferson's, 203 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: you have your Jamar Chase. Is the young guys of 204 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: this generation really fight you at the ball. So you 205 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: might have coverage, you're not gonna come away with a 206 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 3: pass defense. You're not even gonna break up the completion. 207 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: That's how sure handed to Jamar Chase is how competitive 208 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: he is and so he made catches in traffic, he 209 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: made short catches, he had yards after a catch, he 210 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: had the deep strike, And how many times do we 211 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: say during the broadcast the one game that the Bengals 212 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: had won in the four weeks of play was the 213 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 3: one game where Jamar Chase went off against the Rams 214 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: week three twelve for one forty one. And that's the 215 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: one victory they got. So as Joe Burrow and Jamar 216 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: Chase go, so go the Bengals. And I'd love to 217 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: know just to what degree were their adjustments over the 218 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: course of the game. To your point, it was it 219 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: sort of a moot point because you weren't getting home 220 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: or enough pressure on Joe Burrow and you can only 221 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 3: cover an all pro receiver for so long. I'm curious 222 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 3: how that plays out because week one they took away 223 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: Terry McLaurin Week two, you didn't have a Giants receiver 224 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 3: or Darren Waller wrecked the game. He had a pretty 225 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 3: decent second half. Obviously, Ceedee Lamb didn't wreck the game 226 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: for Dallas. But the last two weeks, the two best 227 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: offensive weapons by the opponent have had. 228 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: Their way total touchdowns. Between McCaffrey and Jamar Chase in 229 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: these past two weeks, as far as McCaffrey getting four 230 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase getting three. 231 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: Wow. 232 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: And as head coach Jonathan Gannon said postgame, and if 233 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: you have not seen the video, I strongly urge you 234 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: go to Azycardinals dot com and find it because what 235 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm about to say doesn't do it. Justice Gannon was 236 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: about as upset as I have ever seen him any 237 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: at any point in his Cardinals head coaching career. But 238 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: this is what he was said when asked about Jamar 239 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: Chase quote, you can't let their best player beat you. 240 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: And that's what we just did. That falls solely on me, 241 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: and we can't let that happen again. Point blank. There's 242 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: the game on defense. You let their best player beat you. 243 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm pissed off about it. It's my and then he 244 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: swallowed an expletive again, go back to the video. It's 245 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: my fault and we got to clean that up. 246 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: Period. 247 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: He does subscribe to the defensive plosov take away what 248 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: a team does best and then force them to move 249 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: on find the next best player. And without t Higgins 250 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 3: out there, you thought they would probably throw the kitchen 251 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: sink at Jamar Chase once again, maybe they did at 252 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: times and it just didn't work. Let's be honest. You 253 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: don't have a Sauce Gardner, you don't have a Patrick 254 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: Peterson in his prime. You arguably don't even have a 255 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: cornerback one on this roster. You'd be better suited at 256 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: Marco Wilson as cornerback two, and then a Key Trel 257 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: Clark slash Antonio Hamilton as three to four. So if 258 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: you're telling me that we get to April and May 259 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty four NFL Draft and one of 260 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: those two first round picks is a franchise cornerback, yeah, 261 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 3: that makes a lot of sense because you can talk 262 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: about performance, but at some point you have to talk 263 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: about personnel. And there's only so much you can scheme 264 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: up on the sideline, only so many adjustments you can 265 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: make when you just have superior personnel. And Jamar Chase 266 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 3: is one of the top four receivers in the game period. 267 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: Not all of this falls on Marco Wilson, but a 268 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 1: large chunk of it does fall. But I want to 269 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: get back to how the game started and seeing Key 270 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: Troll Clark on the sideline not getting the start and 271 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: it's Antonio Hamilton on on that football field opposite Marco Wilson. 272 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: Hamilton played sixty six defensive snaps. He had played a 273 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: total of ten in the first four games. And I 274 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: believe without being told anything based off what the body 275 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: language was on the sideline, based off when we did 276 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: see Key Trell on the football field, Paul, I don't 277 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: think we were going to see Key Trell at all 278 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: on Sunday. He did not start, came out onto the 279 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: field when Antonio Hamilton left because of an ankle injury, 280 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: and then left again because he was being evaluated for concussion, 281 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: and then when Jalen Thompson left the game with a 282 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: hamstring that's when Key Troll was back on the field 283 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: in the second half. But just watching Clark with his 284 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: helmet on his side, holding it by his side, and 285 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: just kind of being away from really his teammates in 286 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: the action. Again, I don't know what had happened, if 287 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: it was performance related, or if something happened during the week, 288 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: but Kee Troll Clark played, but only in my opinion, 289 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: only played because of injuries to Hamilton and JT. 290 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: That's a great observation. Obviously, it was down on the sideline. 291 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'd be able to. You know, I 292 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: can't confirm or deny that right now, but if I 293 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: was down there, I certainly could typically I am. 294 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: I will say this. 295 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: I was down there in Santa Clara when Brandon Ayuk 296 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: had six for one forty eight and he had catches 297 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: of sixteen, eleven, forty two, twenty five, thirty four and 298 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: twenty and Key Troll Clark was in coverage for a 299 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: lot of that. But once again, Brandon Ayuk's pretty dynamic 300 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: player with blazing speed. Christian McCaffery definitely, you know, was 301 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: opening up opportunities for other guys in on that Niners offense. 302 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: And Brock Purty didn't have a lot of pass rushers 303 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: in his face, I get it, but you know, hey, 304 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: they're gonna hold these players accountable. You know, Kevon Wallace 305 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: in that Niners game got a talking to from the 306 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: head coach more than once. There were a lot of 307 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: mistackles in that Niners game. Now, Keavon Wallas, I thought 308 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: bounce Back had a nice game, you know, in this 309 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: last outing despite the outcome. You know, the flags were 310 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: a problem in the first half against the forty nine Ers. 311 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: The head coach got on him at halftime and they've 312 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: cleaned that up in a big way the last three 313 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: quarters of play. So there have been points of emphasis 314 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: that Jonathan Gannon and the staff make. So far, I've 315 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: seen pretty good response from this team. They haven't been 316 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: persistent issues or problems, and if there have been, it 317 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: hasn't been from a lack of effort, but it's more 318 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: of a lack of talent, perhaps in losing the matchup battle. 319 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: But at key Troll Clark, you know what, Antonio Hamilton 320 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: not only has the experience, but he has the size. 321 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: We saw him as a sure tackler. He brought some 322 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: physicality and h he was in the right place at 323 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 3: the right time. You know, Keith Trall Clark made he 324 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: was biting on some things that would invite in experience 325 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: for other teams to take advantage of. And Antonio Hamilton's 326 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: thirty plus years of age. 327 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: You talk about accountability and holding these players accountable, I'll 328 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: give Antonio Hamilton credit. He did speak to the media postgame. 329 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: Darren Urban got him on Easycardinals dot com. Kavon Wallace 330 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: stood before his locker and addressed reporters. Quote we played 331 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: below the standard, and I agree with you. I thought 332 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Kavon played real well. Ten tackles, the interception off a deflection, 333 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: and then that goal line stand. It was his tackle 334 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: that prevented the score. What we did not hear though 335 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: postgame Paul is from Marco Wilson, and again full disclosure. 336 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm on the air doing Cardinal talk. I was not 337 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: in that locker room, but I have read enough accounts 338 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: to kind of paint the picture. There were reporters waiting 339 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: for Marco Wilson at his locker, and you're very patient. 340 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: You let the player dress and then they turn around 341 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: answer questions. Well understanding, Marco did not really turn around. 342 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: He kind of turned to the left and then walked away, 343 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: no eye contact, no acknowledgment, and left without saying a 344 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: single word to anyone. I'm sorry that can't happen, and 345 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: some fans might not agree with that statement. Oh you know, 346 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: you're just in the media. I'm sorry. If you're going 347 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: to accept the praise and admiration, you also have to 348 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: when things don't go well, stand and make sure that 349 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: you know what I didn't perform up to my standards. 350 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: I need to do better. 351 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: Totally agree, and we've been in enough locker rooms over 352 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: enough decades at this point where we've seen both ends, 353 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 3: we've seen the guys who will stand there no matter 354 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: the outcome and answer every single question. I mean, you 355 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: think over the last few years, you know how many 356 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 3: times did Calvin beacham last year as the last man 357 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 3: standing as the starting guy in the offensive line, or 358 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: before that of Corey Peters when a Cardinal season got 359 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: sideways and he would be the one meeting the media 360 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: after they gave four hundred yards of total offense. So 361 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: those kind of guys, you know, they set the standard 362 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 3: in the locker room when it comes to accountability. And 363 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: if you were to use one word about this reset 364 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 3: here in twenty twenty three, that's the word accountability. So 365 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: I'm curious as to what the coaching staff may or 366 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: may not say to Marco Wilson about that. Whether that 367 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 3: to them, you know, whether you're available to the media 368 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: or not, is necessarily something they're concerned with. I'm not 369 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 3: sure he's not the first guy to do it. He 370 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: won't be the last guy to do it. I get it. 371 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: The frustration the game and the emotions are raw. It's 372 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: very real in the moment You're only removed from the 373 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: game for a few minutes, and then all of a sudden, 374 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: the media is in front of your locker bod. You're 375 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: also in year three and if you're angling for a 376 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 3: big contract extension in the near future, this is all 377 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: part of the assessment process. Where are you as a player? 378 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: Where are you as a professional, and so don't think 379 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: that everything isn't being evaluated on and off the field. 380 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: Well, what does JG always say? Team first, you second. Well, 381 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: in that instance, Marco Wilson put himself first, as opposed 382 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: to his teammates who did speak and say, yeah, we 383 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: did not play in the words of Kavon Wallace up 384 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: to the standard against the Cincinnati Bengals. Now, this is 385 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: a undermanned and less talented defense than the Bagels are 386 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: and many teams across the league. But no Buddha Baker, 387 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: you lose Jalen Thompson in the second half, No l J. Collier, 388 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins, Jonathan Ledbetter. So yeah, this is a defense 389 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: that continues to take its hits, and against a Bengals 390 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: offense that performed like the Bengals that was in the 391 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: championship game. Each of the past two years. Yeah, that's 392 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: what happens on a Sunday at State Farm Stadium. 393 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: And again he's not the first or last guy to 394 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: do this. Devin Booker himself did not meet the media 395 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 3: after the game or on the locker cleanout day the 396 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: following day after the Sun's got bounced from the playoffs 397 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: by the day Nuggets. So it happens. Is it just 398 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 3: in the moment, the frustration and maybe your judgment is skewed, 399 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: or does it indicate something else a bigger issue? I 400 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: think in the Sun's case, maybe there was something else 401 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 3: going on at hand, and there were some trades that 402 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: were made subsequently that would pourtend exactly what was going 403 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 3: on at the moment. In this case, I think it's 404 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 3: just abject frustration and it's the record day by Jamar Chase. 405 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 3: And by the time you got to the third touchdown catch, yeah, 406 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 3: it was you know, I think everybody on that defense 407 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: was ready to hit the exit button. I get it, 408 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: But there's still a job to be done, to your point, 409 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: and there's still a way to act after the game, 410 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: because guess what, it's only Week five. 411 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: Cardinals coming up will face Cooper cup a returning Cooper 412 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: Cup and the Los Angeles Rams on Sunday, Buddha Baker 413 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: has to miss one more game. You'll hope Jalen Thompson 414 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: is not missing any time at all. And then the 415 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: biggest injury that happened on Sunday, Paul was losing James 416 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: Connor after a great thirty five yard run. The knee 417 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: gets hit Gan instead of got tweaked, got twisted a 418 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: little bit. Though he did say he thought Connor would 419 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: be okay. In fact, James did look okay. He got 420 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: up after that play and was motioning to the crowd, 421 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 1: and then later on you see him jog to the 422 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: locker room. He was back on the sideline with his 423 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: helmet on, watching it. But we never saw him back 424 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: in the ballgame after that thirty five yard run. And 425 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: how much of not having number six on the field 426 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: factored into that pick six near the goal line or 427 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: that fourth and one in which Dobbs scrambles actually wasn't 428 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: a scramble, It was a design quarterback run and he 429 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: got stopped well short and they turn it over on 430 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: downs inside the red zone. Missing James Connor probably factored 431 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: into both of those plays. 432 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 3: No doubt it changes the identity of your offense. There 433 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: are plays and then there are players, and when you 434 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: have certain players, that dictates which play you're going to call. 435 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: So without James Connor, guess what, it's a different play sheet. 436 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: You don't have everything at your disposal that you would 437 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 3: typically if you have a two time Pro Bowl running 438 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: back who's sole, ultra physical, who rarely goes down on 439 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: first contact. And so it was sort of bizarre and 440 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 3: puzzling it at times because James Connor was on the sideline. 441 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: Then he got up and he did I mean a 442 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: spirited jog. I mean he was in a serious trot 443 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: to the locker room. Okay, wait a minute, maybe all 444 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: of a sudden things are clearing up. He did that 445 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: twice over the last three quarters of the game and 446 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: yet never return. And it is a different Cardinals offense, 447 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: There's no question about it. And we made the point 448 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: on the air what Buddha Baker is to the Cardinals defense. 449 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 3: James Connor, in my opinion, is to the Cardinals offense. 450 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 3: He is that heartbeat. He's part of the DNA. He's 451 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: the guy you can't replace. There's no you might have 452 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: a backup by the position, but he's not James Connor. 453 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 3: He's not Buddha Baker. How different would it have been 454 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 3: in San Francisco. Buddha Baker would have been on that 455 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 3: field trying to match up against Christian McCaffrey. And now 456 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 3: you're down Buddha and Jalen Thompson in that second half, 457 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 3: so of course they go up top and Andre Sachera, 458 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: who I asked the head coach, Jannathanga in and after 459 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: the game, was that was that a Jamar chase and 460 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 3: a busted coverage or beating coverage? And immediately the head 461 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: coach said he beat coverage. So if Jalen Thompson is 462 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: maybe in that situation as opposed to an Andre Sachera 463 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: a backup or is there a different outcome? I don't know, 464 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 3: but we do know it's not the same side of 465 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 3: the ball missing those three guys. 466 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: And without Connor on the football field. I will give 467 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: a lot of credit to Amari di Mercado, who was 468 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: thrust into a role and I believe never has had, 469 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: at least not on the NFL level, and he's brand 470 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: new to the league. And he even mentioned when you 471 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: and Pasch had the opportunity to speak with him postgame 472 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: about the number of carries and I'm not used to 473 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: getting that many touches in a game. In fact, ten 474 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: carries for forty five yards. He had four carries for 475 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: a total of three yards over the first four games. 476 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden he becomes RB one, not 477 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: only running the ball but catching the ball as well. 478 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: But a great touchdown, great blocking by Hollywood Brown to 479 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: allow de Mercado to get into the end zone for 480 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: his first career score. So again you hope James Connor 481 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: is not out period. But now the question is, okay, 482 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: do you have enough at running back with de Mercado, 483 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: Corey Clement who was elevated from the practice squad for 484 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: the second straight week but saw no action on offense. 485 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: And you do have Damian Williams on the practice squad 486 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: that was signed ahead of this game. So there you go. 487 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's three guys, none of whom are 488 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: James Connor. We know that Amrio de Murcato I thought 489 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: was impressive and how patient he was as a runner. 490 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 3: There were times where he almost stopped his feet, waited 491 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 3: for the blocks to develop, and then stoked it sort 492 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: of like what David Johnson wants amount of time. Learned 493 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: from Chris Johnson to be patient as a runner. Sometimes, 494 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 3: you know, you want to hit that whole ultra quick 495 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: as fast as you can, But if the blocks aren't 496 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 3: there and the bodies aren't being moved, you're going nowhere. 497 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: So I thought Amrio de Mercado for a rookie getting 498 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 3: his first extended regular season action, showed some good patience, 499 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: you know. But Okay, do the Rams when they game plan, 500 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: are they gonna pay nearly as much attention to the 501 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: undrafted rookie versus a James Connor. It's gonna change what 502 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: you see if you're Josh Dobbs, what you're gonna have 503 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 3: to react to in terms of what defense is bringing. 504 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: We know the Cardinals have led the NFL and play action, right, 505 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 3: Is that still the case you don't have James Conner 506 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 3: out there? Are they respecting the play action with a 507 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 3: Mari Demurcato in the backfield as opposed to a James Conner. 508 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: Well, we always hear it specifically when it's talking about 509 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: the defense adapt and now this offense, how much does 510 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: it have to adapt without James Connor? Again, here we 511 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: are speaking on Monday. Maybe we get a little bit 512 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: more clarity later on this afternoon, or maybe not until 513 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Wednesday when the Cardinals return to the practice field. But 514 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: that is a huge loss, and as you mentioned it earlier, 515 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: as big a loss to the offense as losing Buddha 516 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: Baker to the defense. 517 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: No question. 518 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,239 Speaker 3: And so now, all right, guess what do you all 519 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 3: this offense? You have receivers, you have tight end zach 520 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: Ertz obviously look better at the touchdown catch. The exit 521 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 3: velocity on zach Ertz's spike was Arry Bonds esque. I mean, 522 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 3: my goodness, I mean there was. That was four weeks 523 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 3: with the frustration taken out with some punctuation to that 524 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: touchdown catch right there. I still like Trey McBride down 525 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: the field. I still like Trey McBride, who never goes 526 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: down on first contact. I'd love to get Trey McBride 527 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: some more targets in space, if you can figure that out. So, 528 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 3: if James Connor is not available for this Rams game, 529 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 3: how much different will the offense look? How much different 530 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: will the scheme and the play calling. Because we've seen 531 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 3: a little bit of everything so far. To the credit 532 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: of and Drew Petscene, you know, we can argue a 533 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: few of the play calls, especially that one at the 534 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 3: end of the first half. And you know, and yes, 535 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: if James Connor was out there, I think you probably 536 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: would have kept it on the ground. Either way, Cardinals 537 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 3: do have enough different talent where they can do enough 538 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: different things. How many times do we see thirteen personnel 539 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 3: in this last game, and even Jeff Swain had a 540 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 3: couple of in that first half. 541 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: You bring up play calling, and that was certainly a 542 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: topic of discussion on Cardinal Talk. Two plays in particular, 543 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: and let's talk both of them least get your thoughts 544 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: as well. But the first one is the pick six, 545 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: and okay, you're close to the goal line, it's second down. 546 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: You had used the tush push to get a little 547 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: bit more room. Didn't quite work. Again, no James Connor 548 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: at your availability. So what do you do? Yes, you're 549 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: gonna have your quarterback out of the shotgun and give 550 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: them a little bit more time to kind of elude 551 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: the rush if there is any. I went back because 552 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: all right, real time, pick six? All right, where was 553 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 1: that ball going? And the game book says Zach Pascal 554 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: the intended receiver. Well, we listened to Josh Dobbs postgame. No, 555 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: that was intended for Hollywood Brown. I was like, okay, 556 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: So I went back rewatched that place several times last night, 557 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: Paul and Dobbs again, not that I was expecting to 558 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: see something different, but that was intended for Hollywood. Pascal 559 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: ran the wrong route, as Gannon told you guys postgame, 560 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: there was a spacing issue and he got his hand 561 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: in there and the ball was tipped a little bit. 562 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: But if you look in the background, Hollywood had a 563 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: step in a half on the defender. If that pass 564 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: is completed, not only do you get the first down, 565 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: but it might have been a huge play. 566 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 3: So was the pass deflected by Zach Pascal or was 567 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: it deflected at the line? Is that we don't think 568 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: it was? No, it was not okay, So would it 569 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 3: have if not for Zach Pascal? Would it have been 570 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: on target to Hollywood Brown in your estimation, I. 571 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: Believe it would have been. Put it this way. I 572 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: would have loved to have seen it, but you had 573 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: two receivers basically, one in front of the other, and 574 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: you can't have that happen, especially that close to the 575 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: goal line. 576 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: And you know what, My first reaction was Wow, that 577 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: was a fastball. I mean that really came out hot 578 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: to Zach Pascal. Well, it wasn't intended for Zach Pascal. 579 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: It was too much and too short a space for 580 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: him to handle. Well, he wasn't supposed to be in that. 581 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: He wasn't supposed to be the intended target. So now 582 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 3: you understand why there was a little bit more velocity, 583 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: a little bit more mustard on that ball, because he 584 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 3: was trying to get it to the second level, you know, 585 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: and get it to a Hollywood Brown who was streaking 586 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 3: and maybe even might have had a crease or a seam, 587 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 3: So okay, I get it. It kind of reminds me 588 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 3: we're doing a folktales right now in Kurt Warner. Sort 589 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 3: of reminds me of a fateful end of a game 590 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: in Kurt Warner's career before he had his resurgence, his 591 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 3: renaissance with the Cardinals where they lost a game at 592 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: the very end where Kurt Warner fumbled the ball when 593 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 3: they were in field goal range and he took the blame. 594 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: But guess what, it was the guard who knocked the 595 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 3: ball out of Kurt Warner's hand because the guard had 596 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: a misstep with he thought he was pulling when he 597 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to be, et etcetera. Kurt Warner never said anything. 598 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: So in this case, Okay, you know, maybe it really 599 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: wasn't on Drew Petsen. Maybe it wasn't on Josh Dobbs. 600 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 3: Maybe it was just an m e by a receiver 601 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: who wasn't supposed to be in the play. Either way, 602 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 3: it was incredibly costly and if there was a earning 603 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 3: point in the game, that was it. 604 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: And Dobbs pulled a Kurt Warner postgame saying it was 605 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: his fault. Dobbs took all responsibility for all of the 606 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: turnovers that he had, three of them, two interceptions and 607 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: then the strip sack fumble. All right, the other play 608 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: call fourth and one at the Cincinnati sixteen yard line. 609 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: Remember though a miss Pat earlier in the half. You're 610 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: down four. A field goal right there, yeah, pulls you 611 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: within one. Now, if you don't miss that, Pat, do 612 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: you elect to go for the field goal at the 613 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: sixteen yard line inside the red zone? But you don't 614 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: have that, you're down four again. I have no problem 615 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: with the decision to go for it. I am not 616 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: a fan, never have been of a quarterback out of 617 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: the shotgun on fourth and short, and specifically because now 618 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, as Gannon said, it wasn't one yard, 619 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: a little more than a yard and a half, maybe 620 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: almost two yards. That's fine, But if you're in a 621 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: shotgun now it's fourth and six, fourth and seven, why 622 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: make it more difficult on yourself on a QB design 623 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: run If you again don't have James Connor, that's fine. 624 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: Too long for the push push, that's fine. Then give 625 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: yourself the option to throw the ball a quick screen 626 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: or somebody get it into the Hollywood's hands, Rondelle's hands, 627 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: anyone else. But I did not like that play call. 628 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 3: And you know what, no James Connor times too. First off, 629 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 3: you don't have James Connor to hand the ball to. 630 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 3: Second off, you don't have James Connor's the decoy. You 631 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 3: don't have the misdirection, you don't have the threat of 632 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 3: James Connor. Play action fake Ryan Rpo James Connor, and 633 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 3: then you rip it and run it if you're the quarterback. 634 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 3: So now it's too easy to keep on Josh Dobbs 635 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 3: as a primary ball carrier. For example, the game, early 636 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 3: in the game against Dallas. He had the forty four 637 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: yard run right Josh Dobbs, Well, where the defense go? 638 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 3: They went with the play fake to James Connor on 639 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 3: an inside run. Dobbs ripped it out and then ran 640 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 3: it up the far sideline. You didn't have that threat out. 641 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: There's the other thing I'm with you on the shotgun. 642 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 3: Why increase the yardage you have to make on a 643 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 3: fourth down? And maybe even more importantly, just in my opinion, 644 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: if it's a slower developing play, you give the defense 645 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: so much more time to react, especially a defense that 646 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 3: is all amped up, all fired up, right, hair on fire. 647 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 3: It's fourth down, we're gonna get a turnover, run downs 648 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 3: and then it's a slower developing play. And just like 649 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: it's tough for corners of staying coverage with the receiver 650 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 3: that long, how long can you hold your block? And 651 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 3: it wasn't long before that blocking broke down almost immediately 652 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 3: and Josh Dobbs has tackled for a long. 653 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: It looked like a linebacker, maybe even a safety up 654 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage basically came in untouched into 655 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: the backfield and Dobbs had no chance whatsoever. 656 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 3: How much time was left in the game at that point. Again, 657 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 3: where was that in the game, Where that that turnover 658 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 3: on downs where they could have had the field goal 659 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 3: to make it twenty four to twenty three. 660 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: You still had You're still early in the fourth quarter 661 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: at that point, so it's actually maybe or even late 662 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: third quarter, so you still had a full fifteen minutes 663 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: to go. So where Yeah, Okay, if you want to 664 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: argue that you kick the field goal because you still 665 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: have a quarter left, I'm okay with that. But again, 666 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: I've learned over the years, especially the previous head coach, 667 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm okay now, and then seeing what the trend is 668 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: across the league, I'm okay more now than I was 669 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: maybe five years ago, when teams are going forward a 670 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: lot more on. 671 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 3: Fourth down, and I get it. You have a new holder, 672 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 3: and the extra point wasn't even close. I mean, Matt 673 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 3: Prater missed the kicking net. That ball went to the 674 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 3: far reaches of the stadium, down by where the field 675 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 3: tray enters the stadium because the kicking net he missed it, 676 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 3: and so something went grotesquely wrong on that point. After 677 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 3: you know, the replay didn't seem to indicate anything glaring 678 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 3: the laces weren't in. They were for a moment, then 679 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 3: the ball was turned to the last minute. Was the 680 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: operations slow, you know, the snap the hole getting the 681 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 3: ball up place? Was that a little slower and so 682 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden Prader hooked it as a result, 683 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not even sure if Prader. I 684 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 3: wasn't in the locker room after the game. I was 685 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 3: up on the booth, so I don't know if Prader 686 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 3: spoke to the media and there was any sort of 687 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 3: explanation that you saw. But that was one curiosity coming 688 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 3: out of the game. What happened on the miss? 689 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: Pat, Yeah, it'd be interesting to hear from special teams 690 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: coordinator Jeff Rodgers on Tuesday when he meets the media. 691 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: But I did not see anything postgame, read anything postgame 692 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: from Matt Prader. But yeah, what happened on that because 693 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't just a miss, It was a egregious miss, 694 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: and Prader doesn't typically miss that bad on kicks. So again, 695 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: that's what we saw here on Sunday. But obviously there 696 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: are something that we need to do before we exit 697 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: stage left here, Paul, and that would be the Angry 698 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: Bird Award. Winner, and yeah, sometimes it can be a 699 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: little bit harder when you lose thirty four to twenty, 700 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: but hey, we have committed to this all seventeen games 701 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty three. So what do you got? 702 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 3: So it goes to the most hillatious play or player. 703 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 3: I like the spike from zach Ertz, the ex velocity 704 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 3: that was a consideration there. Amri de Mercado definitely worthy 705 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 3: of serious consideration, and Antonio Hamilton Cavon Wallace. But you 706 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 3: know what, I'm going to go with another Paully Pigskin 707 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: breakout player of camp. Remember our offensive player agree was 708 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 3: Amrio de Mercado. Sure, he made like six different guys, 709 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 3: and we narrowed it down before training camp started Danny 710 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: Sirek Okay, we narrowed it down to two an offensive 711 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,479 Speaker 3: and defensive was Amrio de Mercado and Dante Stills going 712 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 3: into camp was our Paully Pigskin breakout defensive player at camp. 713 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 3: He didn't play in the opener, but he's steadily gotten 714 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 3: more and more snaps with all the injuries to the 715 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 3: D line. And how about his performance on Sunday and 716 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 3: Week five? He had six tackles, He had two tackles 717 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 3: for Lyle loss. He had a quarterback hit and his 718 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 3: first career sack, and you know what, to come full 719 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 3: circle here on Cardinals cover two. He also hails from 720 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 3: West Virginia and he knew Dale Wolfley part of that 721 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 3: West Virginia broadcast team for so many years, part of 722 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 3: that West Virginia family, and so as a mountaineer and 723 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 3: in honor of Dale Wolfe's beloved younger brother, Soda Pop, 724 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 3: we figured it's only fitting to honor him and yet 725 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 3: another very small way, granted, but we like calling out 726 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 3: the name Dante Stills for all the reasons just cited. 727 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: Well said Paul. And while we're on it, to leave 728 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: on a positive note here, how about the gesture of 729 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: one Bengals head coach, Zach Taylor. Not only before the 730 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: game Kwame lasted to the second out for the coin toss, 731 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: but then getting lasted to come out onto the football 732 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 1: field the game had been decided. I was even curious 733 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: up in the booth, what are you doing throwing the football? 734 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: But Pash was right on it, knew immediately what was 735 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: going on. They got Kwame his first career catch. Taylor 736 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: postgame quote, Kwame has been every thing that we want 737 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: to be around. Anytime you can give a player that 738 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: kind of moment, you want to be able to do that. 739 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: End quote Kwalme Laster's father passed away, former Arizona cardinal 740 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: passed away of a heart attack in twenty nineteen, and 741 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,720 Speaker 1: his son now on that football field. No, Kwame Senior 742 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: did not play at State Farm Stadium, but kind of 743 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 1: that family moment for the entire Lassiter family I thought 744 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: was awesome on the part of Zach Taylor and the Bengals. 745 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 3: I mean, how about that all those members of the 746 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 3: Lasater family and attendance, family and friends. He went to 747 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 3: Chandler Hamilton, he was a big star, went to Kansas, 748 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 3: the alma mater of his late father. I think he 749 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: had like six years of Kansas because of COVID, came 750 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 3: into the league on the practice squad all of last year. 751 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 3: There was the preseason game against Cincinnati in twenty twenty two. 752 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 3: We got to call out Kwame Lassiter this second he 753 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 3: played in that game. But for him to get his 754 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 3: first NFL catch in that stadium on Arizona soil, and 755 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 3: to do it in front of family and friends, really 756 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 3: well done by Zach Taylor no doubt bookends to that game, 757 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 3: the coin toss and then one of final plays of 758 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 3: the game and his dad rest in peace. Kwame Laster 759 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 3: one of the great all time Cardinals players and definitely 760 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 3: one of the great all time Cardinals' personalities. So gracious, 761 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 3: so positive, so energetic and giving. Kwame Lassiter thoroughly enjoyed 762 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 3: every interaction I had with the late Kwame Lassen. 763 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: One of the best to wear that Arizona Cardinals uniform 764 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: and one of the best period and much like Dale 765 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: Wolfley as well. And again, our thoughts and prayers to 766 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: Ron Woofley and the entire Wolfly family. We miss you, 767 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: aront we love you and hope to see you real 768 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: soon back in the booth. And on that note, we'll 769 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two 770 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, 771 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mamahundro, our associate 772 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: producer Cody Fincher, Paul Colbc, I'm Craig real Lou. We'll 773 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.